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17 Jun 2014 23:42:38
The Fellaini fella looks like the real deal! Maybe the 27 millions was actually worth it after all!
I think we have finally found our midfield saviour for the new season.
And along side a rebuffed Anderson we will be ready to go under LVG!
Joking right?
17 Jun 2014 23:27:23
With the recent press reports that Arsenal may want to take Cleverley or Smalling as part of any deal for Vermaelen i'm wondering who would you prefer to be part of the deal.
Smalling or Cleverley?
Why not both?
Cleverley, I'm quite a fan of Smalling actually. Out of our three centre backs currently I would say that he is the best.
18 Jun 2014 04:17:12
They can't get rid of Cleverley, it would leave the all knowing Sydney broken hearted.
If Cleverley has any sense he will move to Arsenal.
Smalling if we are buying a world class centre back this Summer. I don't think he has the intelligence to be a top class CB and his game time will be limited.
Beast, Smalling is probably the most intelligent player at the club. It's never been his "intelligence" that's in doubt, it's his composure on the ball.
I think Cleverly would do well at Arsenal and his short passing fits there style. Unless another CB is coming in I wouldn't want to get rid of Smalling considering we already need another one, if he left we would need two very good CBs. So Cleverely for me.
"Smalling is probably the most intelligent player at the club"
What have I just read, Syd?
If this was meant in the sense of footballing intelligence, then I'm sure RvP, Rooney, Mata, Kagawa and many others at the club would have something to say about that.
If meant in the sense of general intelligence, I think you should look no further than the "suicide jager-bomber" halloween costume or the singing and dancing in the street at 3am while "injured" last season.
Safe to say you are well off the mark, Smalling is far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. He has also stalled massively as a player, is often at fault for goals due to stupid decision making or bad positioning and just hasn't developed the way he should have after his promising first season or so. If he stays he will only ever be a squad player, I would keep him for that purpose maybe, but wouldn't be too sad to see him go.
Capello said the problem with smalling is that, it wasnt he made the wrong decision it was he was incapable of making any decision
Syd you make me laugh mate. Spot on Believe, he switches off constantly. When it comes to raw defending there are plenty of players that do what he does better, Skrtl, Sakho, Koscielny, Cahill, Jagielka, Terry many many more, and that is his best asset. When it comes to his use of the ball, positional sense etc, then he is in a league of his own, dreadful. The word I use for Smalling is Dopey. Squad player and nothing more but if we buy another CB with Verm then definitely let him go.
P.S. - I do support him when wearing the England Shirt and Utd shirt, so no need for anyone to kick off about my lack of loyalty to our own.
If Smalling is one of our cleverest players then the rest must be really really really thick!
Believe, I don't see a problem with Smalling dressing up as a suicide Jager-bomber at a private fancydress party. This is just an example of how soft this country has become. Smalling is easily our best defender, but he is flawed by his composure on the ball and his passing.
Jred, a bit of a dumb comment from Capello (no surprise there). So by his reckoning Smalling just stands still all game? I mean what does that comment even mean? Lost in translation perhaps? Or just another dumb Capello comment. It's obvious what Smalling's flaws are.
Beast, I make you laugh?
Still think we will sell the "average" Rooney and Mata this summer?
I am not saying Smalling is Thiago Silva, I am saying lack of intelligence isn't one of his flaws. His flaws are physical, not mental.
18 Jun 2014 13:21:05
Beast all of those you named play regular and have more experience. At centrehalf you need a regular run of games in a settled partnership to learn. he's been behind evens, Rio and vidic for two seasons and most of his games in that time have been full back. He also looked good towards the end of the season.
For sake of argument we sign an experienced player like vermaelen as an example and partner him with smalling it could work.
I wouldn't swap him for vermaelen it doesn't make sense, we've already lost two centre halves so why swap one to get one. I wouldn't swap cleverley either, he would do well in lvgs system and if Wenger wants him he can't be as bad as some make out.
Syd, what you said that was Smalling is probably the most intelligent player at the club. That is a ludicrous statement to make. Absolutely ridiculous.
Believe, it is not ludicrous. Smalling is probably the most intelligent member of the MU squad.
Syd, please stop. You are saying Chris Smalling is more intelligent and has a better football brain than RvP? Rooney? Mata? Kagawa? Januzaj?
How do you explain the regular costly errors? Or the terrible decision making? Or the lack of positional sense?
Surely the most intelligent footballer at a club like Man Utd would be far superior in all of those things, they are all partly mental attributes after all.
I find it hard to believe that you actually think that. Please justify that statement as I really don't know how you have come to that conclusion, if you wouldn't mind.
Help me out here, give me something!
I didn't say he had a "better footballing brain". I said he's probably the most intelligent member of the MU squad.
Smalling rarely plays as a CB due to Vidic and Ferdinand. Injuries have been a hurdle for him too in the past.
In terms of mistakes and being out of position, I am not sure what you mean? Give me some examples?
Most of our goals have not been conceded from the right, but from Evra's left over the past couple of seasons.
Come on now ladies stop arguing.
By the way I think sakho is awful, well at least he was in his first season anyway
And I asked you to please expand what you mean by this, you didn't, so I presumed you meant footballing intelligence given the chat was generally about Smalling's contribution to the team. So what for of intelligence is it that he has in abundance to you? Have you seen his GCSE results or something?
Oh come one. The amount of goals he has cost us from balls into the box that he doesn't read, or from which he leaves his man or makes the wrong decision is ridiculous.
Smalling wouldn't get a game for any of the six teams above us in the league, if he was playing for other teams in the league we would not be saying "oh we should try and sign Chris Smalling."
I think you need to go back and watch a lot of his games, rather than look through tinted glasses to back up an opinion you have been so adamant about regarding your son, Mr Smalling.
We should only swap Smalling if we have one more CB coming in as well as the Verm.
Granted he has not been given a fair crack, but I would rather Jones get that fair crack than Smalling. Playing both of them would be suicide at the minute.
Syndey - Yes I still do believe Rooney will be sold and Mata is not suited to an LVG system (IMO) so if we don't lose too much he will be sold as well. I rate Mata highly, just not mobile enough for a team like Utd - we should and will play with pace and our pitch is huge.
The only intelligence that matters is football intelligence - we aren't asking Smalling to complete the times crossword whilst he plays.
Besides I'm confident Mata would smash him on an IQ test.
Syd
The fact you can't work out what capello meant says it all really .
I don't think Capello knows what he meant. How can he be incapable of making any decision? It's nonsensical.
17 Jun 2014 19:41:19
Eds any news on out going players? Thanks
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17 Jun 2014 18:34:39
Ed, can I ask why my last post was removed? Surely that didn't offend anyone.
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Ed, you are of course the boss. But it was an inoffensive joke that didn't even get the punch line. It was not smut, just humour. Or at least an attempt. Sorry if humour is not welcome.
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Ed, I'm not really sure what you want me to say. I spend hours on this site, so clearly I like it here. I have not been abusive or offensive, but merely asked a question. Have I done, or said something to upset you?
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Someone tired
17 Jun 2014 18:29:42
Just watching the Belgium and Algeria game, we should put a bid in for the lad with the bearskin on who just scored.
Amazing what happens when he's played further forward must be round peg round hole
Bizarre isn't it. Brilliant and rubbish.
The big man changed the game, can lvg get the best out of him, he can do a job when he is pushed up the pitch even for the last 20 mins
The way he ghosted past the six players surrounding him on the wing was magnificent.
Didn't watch the game myself, but it is widely recognised by all but the doom-mongers that he is actually quite a potent weapon when played further forward. He excelled there at Everton. Why Moyes chose to try him as a DM is beyond me, but that debate has come and gone. He may not be the "type" of player most want to see at Utd, but he certainly offers us an effective plan b (or c if you prefer). Definitely overpriced, but again, that has come and gone too.Used correctly could be an important part of the squad.
17 Jun 2014 17:32:04
Gagus
So if a player can't be arsed putting in a 100% when he steps out at OT in front of 80 000 paying fans its ok.
jred
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I think you're alright jred. One of the better ones. But don't try to put words in my mouth.
17 Jun 2014 14:49:31
Ok, I'm actually just interested to see people's opinions on this one. Clearly, from reading the posts on here people are questioning why we haven't signed anyone yet, but I have a theory on this.
I believe we probably have wrapped up a few signings, however as long as Netherlands are still in the World Cup I don't think we'll hear any kind of confirmation regarding ANY transfers. In my opinion this is because if we did, LVG's pre match press conferences would become a media circus revolving around Manchester United, rather than them being about the Dutch squad & there World Cup preparations etc. Surely, the last thing LVG would want is for his focus during the World Cup to be constantly taken off his Dutch squad by having to answer a constant barrage of questions relating to new signings Manchester United have made.
Just my 2 cents on the matter but I'd be interested to see what everyone else's opinions on this are because a lot of people seem to be getting frustrated/concerned by the lack of signings so far. Personally, I believe the Shaw deal has been held up as Southampton have already confirmed losing Lambert & if they confirmed that Lallana/Shaw/Lovren had left they would be a less attractive proposition for any incoming manager.
17 Jun 2014 15:20:50
Why do you have to talk such common sense!!?
I think you've hit the nail on the head there GPB
Great post!
I think you're probably correct GPB.
17 Jun 2014 15:41:23
No, not having it, this is a time for mass panic and hysteria, nobody will sign for us, nobody likes Manchester United anymore and Ed Woodward is a turnip.
I don't think Man Utd give a rats ass about Dutch press conferences. It is all to do with any signing being made today will be yesterdays news tomorrow with a world cup on. Utd board NEED the share price to go up and that means positive news being in the media as long as possible, it doesn't happen when a World Cup is on.
All major deals will be announced when we can get as much PR as possible from them which will be after the show has finished.
Completely agree. Once the dutch world cup campaign is over and van gaal unveiled I reckon signings will be announced
17 Jun 2014 16:31:05
I would find it hard to believe that Utd have deals done and would be able to keep them quiet til after the World Cup with the way the media works these days there would have been leaks by now
Bilko, there have been plenty of 'leaks'. Numerous people have said the Luke Shaw deal has been "done" for a while. It doesn't stop people saying it has fallen through just because nothing has been officially announced. It doesn't matter what us reported by the media, fans will call it a lie. "We're signing Vidal" LIES! "We're not signing anyone and the side will revolve around Anderson next year" LIES!. Let's just have faith that things are being done and that LvG will have his squad in shape in time for next season.
GDS2, lol glad to see you stuck to your word and upped your game mate. That made me laugh. :)
We may well have one or two in the bag, but I tend to agree with Beast here. We ensure we take every bit of publicity out of every event to keep us in the papers. Good for the sponsors too.
Nice post mate, now if there's any plastic fans who are just in it for the glory and big names reading this then please read it carefully and grasp it because it makes so much more sense with a world cup going on than it does that we aren't going to sign anybody and ed woodward isn't doing his job right.
17 Jun 2014 13:25:22
i agree RF, but if we were to pay over the odds and with big salaries, LVG would have to make sure that he goes after the best possible players to play HIS system and be as sure as is humanly possible that they will perform to the required standard. If not, we would be stuck with squad players on big salaries who we can't shift in the future. We don't have money to throw away, especially with FFP around these days.
Personally I think we will get Vermaelen, a few Dutch youngsters and possibly one world class talent like a Schweinsteiger or Sanchez. The more I think about it, the more I just don't see the club paying silly money here there and everywhere, just because we aren't in the CL this season and because players are being wary of our future success. We will, I think, spend decent money to improve areas of the team that need it, but I think this season we will rely on LVG working some magic to get us a top 4 place and then it will be easier getting the top players next summer. It will also be a season where certain players are asked to try positions to fit LVG'S system, to see if they will do or are good enough to play his way, if not they will be replaced next summer with players who can and will.
Only time will tell, the transfer window isn't open yet and LVG is still trying to conquer the world at present. Mid July to September 1st will be very interesting though. I don't think LVG will take any sh*t off Woodward etc, regarding signing his preferred players, which may help with the possibility of top players, I hope so but I won't be holding my breath.
No idea why this is a new post, should be a reply to RF's post directly below.
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Phone threw a wobbler half way through typing the message ed, I wasn't implying that you had posted it wrong, I'm hurt you would even think that :-)
17 Jun 2014 12:12:38
I obviously don't know why exactly we haven't been able to sign a quality player yet, but one thing I do know is that this transfer window is a unique one for the club. We need quality players desperately because it is clear the team is not one of the top 4 in the league (regardless of who the manager is).
We don't have champions league football and that does mean that some players won't find us attractive. Foreign clubs look towards English clubs as getting the maximum cash kind of deal. PSG, City, Monaco have proven in the past that you can attract top players without Champions League football by paying over the odds, more than their own valuation of the player and just paying what the selling club demands and meeting the wage demands of the player and keeping their agents happy. They simply blew other bidders out of the market for the players and they NEEDED to do that to attract the players without champions league football.
I feel that, the club should be looking at this summer as a one off and should be doing just that. It is clear that the money is available and we cannot afford to play hardball because let's be honest, this summer at least Manchester United has very little negotiating leverage.
A repeat of last summer would be disastrous and maybe its just me being paranoid i'm seeing this summer heading towards similar conclusions at this moment.
Couldn't agree more RF.
Syd/RF,
I agree. Problem is, does anyone else think there's a major conflict of interest involved with Woodward?
It doesn't sit right with me that the man tasked with bringing money INTO the club, is the same man tasked with money going OUT of the club on transfers.
All signs since last summer, have suggested that Woodward's #1 priority is bringing in sponsorship deals, with transfer activity being second. This shows in the way he carrie himself in the press, he has the chest-beating attitude of a salesman selling the brand.
Lots of bluster about how we're a major player in the market but little actual action. Which leads me to suspect it's aimed more at potential sponsors than potential transfers.
I'll reserve judgement til August but I must admit, I'm having a bad feeling about this. I suspect the board think LVG can work a miracle with this lot. Which, don't get me wrong. perhaps he can (I doubt it, but you never know).
BUT.
What if he can't?
Then it's two wasted seasons and trying to sell a damaged 'brand' to top-quality players.
One season without CL is a blip.
Two seasons and players might start viewing it as the start of a decline.
17 Jun 2014 14:41:39
Thats a dangerous road to go down, if we pay well over the odds this summer then we will set a precedent and may well have to pay well over the odds for the foreseeable future. Much as Chelsea and City have done.
Can we afford to over spend by tens of millions every summer?
RS, exactly, and this is exactly why we need to pay over the odds to get the sufficient quality needed this summer. There is no reason why the owners can't go back to penny pinching next summer.
Or we could continue the precedent that we have set over the last few seasons: balk at the asking price for quality players like Hazard, and end up with journey men like Young or young players like Zaha.
Come off the stage Shappy. Any club that wants to compete for the big trophies has to pay 'over the odds' because over the odds is simply how the top end of the transfer market works. The choice is simple: spend the money necessary to make us genuine contenders for the top trophies or resign ourselves to battling for fourth place while the Glazers line their pockets with the money that could be invested back into the club.
Last season should have been a wake up call that you can't waltz into the CL simply because you are Manchester United. This summer if we don't invest a large amount of money, it will prove once and for all that the owners don't care about having a successful club once it remains profitable.
Woodward will have learnt from paying far too much for Fellaini and too much for Mata. What did that accomplish, he got ridiculed for the former and we didn't really need to break our club record fee for Mata at that time, he wasn't wanted by Chelsea and arguably wasn't crucial for us?
Therefore any signings will be well thought out and with the long term future in mind, not short term fixes and we won't be held over a barrel again like Shappy says it has major consequences long term.
Why do you think the true price Barcelona paid for Neymar was not revealed at the time, they want people to think they never over pay!
I think a top class winger and somebody like Schweinsteiger will be our marquee buys, (maybe Shaw), but the rest will be players like Blind or Verm.
A lot of sense being talked from both sides here.
I will say, LVG could be our saviour here as the man has a gigantic ego. Unlike Moyes, he won't be afraid to speak up.
I get the impression Moyes would never have voiced concerns about a lack of support from the board as he wouldn't have wanted to rock the boat and risk losing his dream job.
LVG won't give one, lads. If Woodward doesn't deliver a few names off that 'list' and as a result, LVG fails to get us top 4, he will open his mouth and speak his mind.
I think we can take the moral high horse route once we have spent those tens of millions extra that people are reluctant to set a standard with. Since Ronnie was sold, I don't remember a season where we have consistently over paid for players or just pay whatever the selling club has been asking for. We have dithered and baulked at agent fees, asking price etc etc. let's first see some action and then get bothered by what kind of precedent we are going to set. Till then, its only Woodward doing his customary faffing.
Deeps.
17 Jun 2014 23:59:58
Have to agree with Syd, the reality is we have under achieved in the market for a good few seasons now and that's why we are in desperate need of at least 4/5 world class players, the nonsense about overpaying is ridiculous given the amount of income the club achieves, we don't have any FFP worries and are in the situation where we are desperate so we are going to get our hat nailed on over prices, I'm afraid it's either cough up the club's money or cop out, Woodward said there would be major signings b4 the WC and Charlton said at the players awards that the standard of player we are going to sign this window would make us champions again,so either we have made those signings and it's being kept quiet (unlikely) or something has gone a bit wrong, but worrying about overpaying slightly for the right players is quite frankly ridiculous given the lack of investment in the squad over the last 7 years.
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18 Jun 2014 21:29:12
I said we have no FFP worries ed, as in we comfortably comply with the FFP guidelines.
{Ed002's Note - Now naïve.}
17 Jun 2014 11:35:27
Hi regular posters,
I have just read online about hummels talking about us as a posibility next year .
Is it because we have failed in negotiations or is it that Dortmund aren't willing to lose reus, hummels and lewandowski in one window.
opinions are welcome.
Probably failed in negotiations.
Syd if that is the case then its really bad news unless van gaal's got some other plans .
I have backed Ed woodward all the way but if he doesn't pull his socks up by the end of the summer I do not think he would be dealing with the transfers for 2015/2016 season.
I don't think Ed Woodward has much of negotiating space this summer to be honest.
1. The other clubs know that we have the money available, and us being an English club and Manchester United they will inflate the prices.
2. We are not in the Champions League which will make us second or third choice for a lot of players.
3. We are in desperate need of quality signings due to the state of the squad and the need for Van Gaal to hit the ground running and a repeat of last summer would be disastrous.
Apart from the name and heritage of Manchester United I don't see there being any pull for the club this summer except money.
To me, we are in a very similar situation this summer to what PSG, City, Monaco were when they started their "projects". We need to meet the asking price and wage demands and just get 3-4 quality signings done. This might sound utterly simplistic, but I don't see how we could afford to play hardball this summer.
Singh, I think LvG wants two CB's. A cheap option and a top notch CB. Vermaelen and Hummels would be fantastic. But I get a horrid feeling that we may end up with just Vermaelen and that is unacceptable IMO. We should be buying the best when we have a chance and I genuinely believe we have a chance of Hummels if we pay what it takes. We lost Ferdinand and Vidic this summer. It's time to spend big on a top notch CB. Hummels is that man IMO.
Redfaith that is supposing we have a lot of money I am pretty sure we may all get a surprise by us going cheap
I'm begining to think Ed is doing a snow job make all the noise about our wedge but nothing comes of it
Another big bonus for Ed this year upcoming
17 Jun 2014 13:05:32
Pardo , you could be right but I can't see LVG putting up with the nonsense that went on last summer
I would imagine he demanded assurances about the quality of player that would come in and he'll be putting serious pressure on if it's not happening
Syd,
If Van Gaal wants two cbs then he will get it. I am of the opinion if we spent 37 mil plus for Mata 'a position which we were stocked with' then I see Hummels still a posiibility because we need him more then any other player this year apart from Vidal.
If Manchester united are serious about rebuilding this year and like you said Hummels will be interested in moving to us then this should be our priority.
It could also be a case of playing hardball until later on in the summer and we might make a last minute bid for hummels which would be acceptable to Dortmund.
I will be really disappointed with Vermaelen as our only cb unless smalling or jones has a stellar season otherwise we are in for shocking year at the back.
Like DP has said what we need this summer is a top notch CB, CM and LW/FW plus Shaw. Clearly we wanted Shaw, Hummels, Cesc & Sanchez. We may end up with Shaw, Vermaelen, Barry & Adam Johnson the way we are going :)
It started off that we wanted Robben or Mueller for LW/FW. Now we are looking to Sanchez although would take Konoplyanka if he accepted a move.
In midfield we wanted Kroos, RM obviously turned his head as we were too slow agreeing a deal with BM. Then Cesc was the choice, he joined Chelsea.
Shaw has always been the target for LB, but that still isn't sewn up. It's pretty obvious LvG wants Hummels, but again looking unlikely so perhaps TV.
We are running out of targets. Looks like we will be scraping the barrel again this summer. Time to start backing the manager and getting his targets in.
Vermaelen and Hummels both play the left side of the CB pairing. Why wold he buy both?
Thanks for all the replies guys, I just hope we sign some quality players this yrar to start the rebuilding job I amreally excited by Van Gaals appointment .
One thing he will bring is discipline amd the players have to work hard ot get left out.
We could not be any worse then last year as long as we make some quality signings this year.
Syd do you think we are missing out on our targets due to being slow in negotiating or is it case of the players having many choices avialble this year and with us having no champions league or is it the Ed Woodward factor.
17 Jun 2014 14:05:19
According to a newspaper we have now dropped our interest in shaw,I am worried that we are not performing in the transfer market, we do seem to be lagging and not getting the job done, from Chelsea interest becoming known in cesc and him holding up a blue shirt was a matter of a few weeks, we've been chasing him since last year.
I wouldn't be surprised if we get Hummels next summer, if we get Vermaelen this summer. Jones & Smalling will get a chance they are worthy and we don't have Europe so games will not be thick and fast. Therefore injuries shouldn't be as prominent like previous seasons. Evans, Verm, Smalling & Jones is ample without Europe. Especially as we have so many key areas to strengthen it will take a few windows. Better to buy a world class CB when we are back in the CL and Dortmund will also be happier to sell then.
Makes perfect sense to me.
We need Schweinsteiger and a winger as marque signings with a good left back like Blind.
Rewz, precisely my worry. That's why I was p1ssed off yesterday. Hummels to Vermaelen. It's like waiting for Fabregas and getting Sidwell.
Singh, I'm sure it's a mixture of a few things, but unless we loosen the purse strings a little, we will not get any of our prime targets.
So far it look as though our defence could consist of Rafael, Jones, Vermaelen & Shaw. That's how it's looking right now.
Still need to strengthen the midfield and left forward. One left forward would be enough, but we may need two central midfielders.
Come on now Syd, at least Sidwell has played in the last two years.
Danny, I will rephrase that. It's like going in for Schweinsteiger and getting Owen Hargreaves :)
17 Jun 2014 11:03:31
Hi Guys
Food for thought.
Do we need to sign all / some of the names being put about? reus / sanchez / sweiny / hummells / vidal etc etc.
Liverpool IMO should have won the league last year and let's be honest they only have 1 WC player. They achevied near success through outstanding coaching.
LVG is a far superior coach than BR he will improve our players greatly and will have great training ground time just like pool last year due to no european football
LVG will bring in players he knows and trusts and won't pay OTT unless he is getting a real worldie, he has never been one to splash loads of money he develops players
I thnk if LVG does not want Cesc/ Kroos / whomever then that player is not right for us. We will all have our opinions on players but at the end of the day our opinion will not count only LVG's opinion matters
So syd / fresh when you say / he is exactly what we need and x or y is the player we need that's all BS as LVG is the only man who matters. Cesc is a great player no doubt but if LVG doesn't think he is right for us then that's all that matters.
I say let him get on with it he knows what he is doing and like Shappy said in an earlier post nobody on here really knows what's going on behind the scenes and paper talk is exactly that and 99.9% of the time thre is no truth in most rumours.
Example the argument re TV yesterday. United will give no more than 7m to Arsenal and guys here talking 15m yesterday becuase it said 15 m in the sun or caught offside
Dont underestimate the power of coaching we don't need a bunch of so called superstars. we never really had them and got to 3 CL finals in 4 years due to excellent management.
A Madrid are the latest to achieve this.
2/3 WC players in key positions complimented by a driven ambitious young well coached squad is wht we are used to and LVG will return those times.
Lets not go on and on about signing 6/7 of the media darlings LVG has the history the pedigree and the form for doing things the right way let him on with it.
They don't have to be big names, just good players who fit the plan
Ken, only problem with your theory is that LvG does/did think Hummels and Cesc are right for us. We were very much interested in both players whilst LvG has been manager.
How do you know LVG wanted Cesc Sydney?
Fresh
Because it fits his argument .
There where reports lvg didn't want fab but we will just ignore them ;)
17 Jun 2014 12:06:53
exactly Jred, position for position most people would have taken a Spainard over the dutch counterpart or a RM players over AM players but once they are coached and perform like a team then that will overcome individual brilliance most of the time
Fresh, can you read? If so try reading what the editor writes. You may actually learn a thing or two :)
@jred
The Editor has told us that United were interested in Cesc and I for one trust his info.
Ken
We all want big name players because its exciting and there the players we see the most.
But what's really important is that we get the right players
The difference between United and Liverpool is that United don't have enough good players that fit any coherent plan, unless that plan is to creep up the pitch and cross it aimlessly into the box ad infinitum. At a minimum, this summer we need one experienced cb, a competent lb, a top quality cm and a top quality wing forward. If we fail to bring in these players we will struggle to get back into the top 4, regardless of the manager.
It's a shame to see that people are so willing to move back to la la land and accept journey men and young hopefuls instead of quality. We have skimped on transfers for years and last season we got our just deserts. The club have repeatedly stated that they are capable of bringing top class players to club, and this summer is the crunch time when they have to deliver.
17 Jun 2014 12:57:18
He doesn't, simple as that.
Ed002 gave good insights as to the difference between declaring an interest and negotiating / making a bid.
all the circumstances need to be right. The player must want to come to MU the selling club need to be happy with the fee as to the selling club. once those 3 are sorted personal terms are usually reached easily
Just because the papers say we have bid does not make it true
Syd I am sure that Ed002 has said we made no bids for either of those 2 and were not in negotiation for Cesc in LVG's time
17 Jun 2014 12:57:44
"10 Jun 2014 13:21:13
Ed what clubs apart from us are interested in fabregas
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Great posts Ken. A lot of pertinent points well made. We are surely looking at all angles in the market, world class and up and coming, it would be remiss to not do so. Whether we are able to attract what we want or need is a moot point that is being discussed heavily from all sides. Only time will tell. LVG may well be able to turn the team we already have into champions anyway - Fergie managed it did he not?
Fresh - don't just read the ed's, read Sydney - it's all you could wish to know in one know it all, condescending package.
MD, and you will do well to remember that sunshine :)
17 Jun 2014 16:48:03
duh! there is a huge difference between noting interest and negotiating / making a bid
Jaysus its like groundhog day here with some people
Tell me Which players have Liverpool got that are world class? one
How many world class players got us to 3 outta 4 cham league finals? 3 at a stretch with a couple of formaly WC players but past their prime
You don't need a bunch of names and egos we want a proper coach that can improve players. IMO LVG is that coach
Really guys anybody that has ever played the game at a high level knows that with great players and a poor coach the team is doomed. as per Barca last year
With Average players and a great coach the team will prosper as per Ath Madrid Liverpool to an extent Everton to an extent
and with great players and a great coach as per Real Madrid the team will do very well but still did not win their league
A great coach will get a bunch of average players playing like world beaters
Duh! Whether you think we need "top notch" players or not is irrelevant here. LvG wanted those players. LvG wanted Cesc and LvG wants Hummels. Just like LvG wanted Mueller and Robben. These are all top notch players and LvG wanted them.
Don't be daft Syd. Van Gaal is hoping to steer clear of any top class players or even good players. Otherwise how can he proven himself as a great coach?
Danny, are you amazed by the influx of MU fans who are already making excuses for not making the top class signings that we desperately need? Some are also conveniently forgetting that it's actually LvG who wants the top class players. So their argument is pointless :)
My favourite was the lad who said that if we will only bring in a few players this summer, that will lead us to a fifth place finish, and then we'll see the big stars joining us next summer.
Van Gaal obviously wants top class players, and if we don't secure a few this summer it should be regarded as a massive failure. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
Three good/experienced signings plus Shaw IMO. Van Gaal is a good manager, but we have need 3-4 top signings for a couple of years now.
17 Jun 2014 10:06:08
Hi Ed's,
I'm not suggesting it is going to happen and I don't believe Juve will want to sell and if they did would make it very difficult but in your opinion do you think Pogba would be open to a move back to Manchester United? Just looking for thoughts or whether you have heard any inclination that he would be?
I'm not sure his attitude is what United need but you can't deny the boys talent. Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - No idea.}
17 Jun 2014 09:57:37
The Vermaelen deal has just got better, Wenger may be willing to take Cleverley off of us for part of the deal. Who could complain about that!?
Cleverley would flourish at Arsenal. It would be a great move for him.
17 Jun 2014 11:42:17
Fresh.
I m driving cleverly to London if this happens. its OK even if varmaleen doesn't come. :-)
17 Jun 2014 08:11:29
In a season like the one just went by, there are very few things that cheer you up. It would be criminal injustice therefore not to mention 3 gentlemen on this site who have been at the top of their games and made me spit my coffee out more than once. AJH, Danny and Betty - Thank you guys for making it bearable ;-). Top top stuff boys. I hope Ed Woodward is lining up a bid for you fellaz. I can then bother Ed002 with the price touted ;-)
Deeps.
P.S - This Dempsey fella looks like the Messi of Washington, can he play in a 2 man midfield?
17 Jun 2014 11:11:19
I'll up my game ;)
17 Jun 2014 11:24:29
good post Deeps. ;o)
He is just what we need! If we could get him and Makepeace patrolling our midfield be would be unbeateable. :)
Cheers Deeps, I know we have differing views on our Wayne but I enjoy your well reasoned arguments.
Interestingly it's Danny P that often makes me laugh out loud.
Betty, I was down your way at the weekend. Down in the sticks. Loved it, went St Minver, Padstow, Rock etc. Traveling down those little winding country lanes, have you seen the film "Wrong Turn" :)
I just realised that the Dempsey & Makepeace gag is probably lost on most of you young wipper snappers. I bet Fresh! has already googled "footballers called Makepeace" lol.
Syd, as I am typing this I am working on a new wind farm about 1/2 a mile from Crealy. I can see Padstow and Rock and all the way up to Bude on this beautiful sunny day. Not a bad place to be working!
As for the film Wrong Turn, I get what you mean. But some places down here are probably more like another famous film. Have you seen "Deliverance?"
Squeak piggy, squeak. lol
Betty, I went Crealy on Saturday. I seen the many wind turbines and solar panels too. It killed me driving past all of those pubs on a lovely day knowing I'd be at Crealy for six hours. Well the kids loved it, to be fair they love the pub too :)
I knew I was missing something :( . How can I not mention our Bond, I remember the substance abuse helpline comment ;-) . Thank you Ed 007, the best thing to come out of Scotland since Chic Charnley.
GDS, you are our patented mascot for optimism and positivity. Betty - LOL, I am sure Sergeant Makepeace is not Dutch, I don't fancy our chances.
Deeps.
17 Jun 2014 00:25:23
So who do you think will ask the eds about Jermaine Jones? Surely he has everything we need based off this game ;)
17 Jun 2014 01:56:35
Gagus
So its ok for players not to really try if they don't rate the manager
jred
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Well jred, that's not necessarily what I said is it? One of the key traits required in a top level manager is the ability to motivate players to play at a level that is above them. I'm sorry, but if I was Robin van Persie, and I had moved to Old Trafford to work with Sir Alex Ferguson, only for him to retire 1 year later an be replaced by a no mark, I would find it hard to be as motivated too. Go into training for pre season, see Steve Round with a pen and a binder, and some old man called Jimmy nearly blowing down Anderson, he was breathing so hard. Obviously I don't know if there is any truth to this "downed tools" rumour, but lest we forget that RvP isn't the only player that lacked motivation last season. The whole team looked disinterested, and that is hardly surprising considering the manager was so far out of his depth, that he should have been sacked the moment he said he was scared what the fans would think if he brought off RvP.
A manager can have all the tactical nous in the world, but motivation and drive makes the best what they are.
Gagus
So if a player can't be arsed putting in a 100% when he steps out at OT in front of 80 000 paying fans its ok.
Lets look at the initial point the ed was making.
Some people are happy for a player like rvp to down tools, fake injury even while they would slate over players for far less.
Its double standards and fickle fans at there best.
There is a difference between not being motivated and not caring, trying or giving a damn
I'm not even convinced that it was motivation that was the problem. I actually think it was disappointment in what had happened. The greatest manager ever had gone and was replaced by a nobody who was more concerned about not losing. He got rid of all the staff who were well liked, cleared all our transfer targets and then had the nerve to sit Vidic and Ferdinand down to watch videos of Jagielka and Distin. He did an appalling job.
Can I just point out i'm not saying rvp did down tools or fake an injury but fans saying its ok if he did is beyond me
Did ANYONE actually say or even imply that it was "OK" if RvP downed tools? I must have missed that.
Syd
You must of .
It seems it was down to the fact the manager was moyes and that was the reason.
Imo it was down to the player or even players.
Gagus Pointing out that it would be difficult for some one like rvp to give 100% under moyes in reply to the ed post is nothing more than trying to make an excuse for the player.
Or red man claiming if a player downs tools the first thing he would do would be to look at the leadership as it would never happen under fergy .
I can fully understand why Van Persie and the rest of the team struggled under Moyes last season. Going from SAF (27 years) to Moyes was always going to be suicide on the club's behalf. That doesn't mean myself or anyone else on here thinks it's acceptable for Van Persie to fake an injury to avoid playing. If that is true which I personally doubt, then it is despicable.