Manchester United Banter Archive March 17 2015

 

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17 Mar 2015 18:54:57
Hi Eds,
Thanks for the update on possible targets last week. Is there a similar breakdown of youth targets, please?

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{Ed002's Note - No.}

17 Mar 2015 20:37:48
Not one United player in the England U19 squad.

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17 Mar 2015 20:33:45
With Dybala stating his want to stay in Italy, is Luca Vietto a more viable option with Ings aswell? Also, I know Gabriel Barbosa and Ezequiel Ponce are talents but how would it be in getting them over? Difficult?

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17 Mar 2015 15:48:13
Re sly sports:
Ronny won't go to City surely he wouldn't do that to us!!!

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17 Mar 2015 19:08:49
I honestly don't think he'd care. He loved Sir Alex more than he loved the club. Obviously Manchester United means something to him but if City were able to get him and offer him a deal of a lifetime, there would be no stopping him.

However I don't think he will ever return to England. Probably will end up abroad in a few years time at a rich club who can afford his wages (France, Russia or even the USA).

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17 Mar 2015 20:05:48
This is my view but he is soley about himself, I wouldn't put anything past him especially if Mendes gets in his ear and the £ signs are ticking. This would be his final big payday.

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17 Mar 2015 20:26:46
He is arrogant on the pitch and he has earned the right to be, to an extent. What he needs to do is be happy for the team not just himself while playing the game.
Off the pitch he is a gentleman, a real nice guy, a people person, you can see that with the emotions he shows towards his many adoring fans who he takes time out for.
Would I welcome him back to UTD? Absolutely, after all even with his apparent dodgy knee he still scores goals for fun.

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18 Mar 2015 09:18:26
He won't go to City, I'd be fairly confident of that.

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17 Mar 2015 13:14:54
Just thought I would look at the top 5's remaining fixtures and try and make my own predictions on results to see who I think may/may not get into the top 4. Having done it as fairly as a football fan can do :-), I can't believe how close it is looking likely to be. Apart from Chelsea, who have an extra game, I think United/Liverpool will get the most points from the last 9 games

Chelsea I think will beat Stoke, QPR, Leicester, Palace, WBrom and Sunderland. They will draw with Hull this weekend, United, Arsenal and LPool.
City will beat WBrom, Palace, Villa, QPR and Swansea. They will draw with United, WHam, Spurs, Southampton.
Arsenal will beat Newcastle, Sunderland, Hull, Swansea and WBrom. They will draw with LPool, Burnley, Chelsea and lose to United.
United will beat Villa, Everton, WBrom, Palace, Arsenal, Hull. They will draw with LPool, City and Chelsea.
Liverpool will beat Newcastle, Hull, WBrom, QPR, Palace and Stoke. They will draw with United, Arsenal and Chelsea.

Therefore, in my world, Chelsea will finish top with 86 points, United/City will be on 77 points, Arsenal/Liverpool will be on 75 points. So, City 2nd on goal difference with United 3rd, unless we start scoring more goals regularly. Arsenal will get 4th on goal difference as Liverpool are 13 goals worse off as of now. Let's hope it works out this way, probably not though.

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17 Mar 2015 13:29:47
I think you are underestimating Palace there.

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17 Mar 2015 13:39:58
Chelsea and Liverpool play Palace at home, United are away, I don't see any of them dropping points in those games MB.

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17 Mar 2015 14:02:13
So all 5 teams are going to go the rest of the season unbeaten apart from Arsenal who will lose to us?

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17 Mar 2015 14:37:10
Some I have put as draws may be losses here or there, but I see it evening out overall, I don't see many losses from now on but at home I expect us to beat Arsenal GDS yeah.

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17 Mar 2015 15:14:05
That is where we differ Brendan, I see a lot of losses from now to the end of the season, people will overreact on Sunday if we lose but the week after Arsenal play Liverpool and it will all change again. I think there are a lot of ups and downs to come and it will be the team that can grind out some results in tricky ties that will get the top 4 places.

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17 Mar 2015 15:38:06
I see it being so tight, that most, if not all, the big games could end up as draws, thus cancelling each other out. It will be won against the lesser teams for me, dependant on who they are and whether it is home or away.

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17 Mar 2015 18:02:30
I think all of the top 5 will drop points. The top two seem to be losing form, ours is patchy especially our away form, arsenal are currently in form but that can change, and the scouse are getting some luck which can also change.

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17 Mar 2015 18:57:11
I prefer to concentrate on one game at a time. let's get the draw or an impossible win against scousers and then onto the next match.

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17 Mar 2015 19:08:17
I said a few weeks ago 72 to 74 points is needed and interesting BR thinks 73 is going to get you CL place. If we go with my 74 points total we need 18 more points, which means 6 wins and 3 losses.

I think the team that draws too many instead of wins will miss out and my concern all season has been our away form and inability to win games.

BTW I think Arsenal will turn Liverpool over and so will chelsea and even WBA is a very tricky away game for them.

I do hope your draw prediction at Anfield is correct as that is like a win to me.

I would not be surprised to see arsenal finish second.

Our season will depend on how we get through the 3 games against City, Chelsea and Everton. 1 win and 1 draw would be great result for us.

Frankly i can not see how we go undefeated the rest of the way and neither can i see any of the other teams doing that.

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17 Mar 2015 21:52:58
Agree with nomidfield, one game at a time, let's do the liverpool first and go from there .

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18 Mar 2015 09:07:45
We may as we'll forget the rest of the season then you got it covered

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18 Mar 2015 10:47:17
There goes the suspense, just ruined the rest of the season for me, ain't going to watch any more matches this season! TYVM Brendan

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mbd              

18 Mar 2015 13:52:24
Sorry chaps, this was in my world though as I said. It is a very colourful psychedelic world :-)

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18 Mar 2015 15:27:58
Brendan
Are we neighbours?
:-)

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18 Mar 2015 16:34:29
Very possibly Herbie :-)

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17 Mar 2015 11:41:15
Just out of interest what is everyones thoughts on Jordan Henderson? He seems to be coming of age over the last eighteen months or so and is turning into a very good homegrown player.

Did Fergie possibly make a blooper by pulling the plug on him? Good all round midfielder for me.

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17 Mar 2015 11:58:39
I'm not sure you can say Fergie made a blooper to be honest, the way he played in his first 2 years at Anfield he would have been booed off the pitch by the United fans and would be nowhere near the player he is now. Liverpool have handled him pretty well in my opinion, given him the opportunities when he wasn't playing well, but over the last few years their expectations haven't perhaps been the same as ours, meaning poor players were given more of a chance than they would have been at a team chasing the title. (I am aware this wasn't the case last season but that was an anomaly compared to the previous 20 years, and Henderson seemed to come of age halfway through last season).

I think he is proving to be a very good player, especially on current form. He seems to have really taken to the captaincy and the job of replacing Gerrard, which in a way is pretty impossible and is a bit like Carrick trying to replace Keane, they are totally different players and he probably will never have the influence Gerrard had on games, but he can be a very important player for them going forward.

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17 Mar 2015 12:09:09
He was over priced at the time, and had a couple of very poor years in the beginning at Liverpool. Had he come to us he would have been pushed to the side long before he had a chance to come good. Interesting to see that he isn't quite so keen to sign a new contract with Liverpool, could he have one eye on the exit door?

But this season he has really stepped up and has had a stormer in the last 6 months. Shades of Robson about him, although not on that level yet. All action box to box full of running and a willing tackler as well as an eye for goal. As likely to make the last ditch tackle to stop a sure goal as he is at scoring that winner himself.

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17 Mar 2015 12:43:01
I think I would say me and Shappy agree on this one, pretty much the same post worded differently!

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17 Mar 2015 12:55:40
I have to say, I used to think he was Edgar Allan Poe, but to be fair to the lad, he seems to have worked his arse off and it has come good for him. Can't knock him for that.

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17 Mar 2015 13:05:22
Hendersons an excellent midfielder. He's added more goals to his game which he needed to do.
Eye on exit door? No just watching sterlings situation and thinking why not get a bumper increase too.
Players now need to play top drawer consistently and for more than one or two seasons before demanding big wages

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17 Mar 2015 13:11:00
I disagree, he was a very promising player at Sunderland and twice took Arsenal and Chelsea midfield to pieces while he was still at Sunderland.
I think him and Coutinho are very influential for Liverpool. United had interest in him and should have bought him. But instead we went for Anderson!!

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17 Mar 2015 13:15:20
I see Henderson and I think what might have been for Cleverley. Such a shame he got that injury.

Players like Henderson are not given enough games at Utd, he would never have reached this point had he signed for us, he would be rotting at QPR or back at Sunderland by now.

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17 Mar 2015 14:42:54
As Fergie kept telling us, there is no value in the market.Which doesn't really explain why a very promising, talented, versatile English midfielder went to our fiercest rivals for less than £20 million.
Last season he was excellent in a team that nearly won the league and he is having another very good season this year.
Still, it's not as if we were crying out for that type of player at the time.

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17 Mar 2015 15:03:27
that was the season you signed Jones @NoMidfield.

being a Liverpool fan myself, I didn't rate him at all when he first came (I even thought Shelvey had more potential). I think the problem was that he was played as a winger by KD (the kid isn't a winger). And I was slightly disappointed when the swap deal for him and Dempsey didn't happen (in hindsight, I'm glad that didn't happen).

anyway, I love him now, I think he's amazing

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17 Mar 2015 15:16:52
TBL,

Easy to say that now, but I guarantee you would have been kicking off and moaning if we had paid what Liverpool paid for the Jordan Henderson that played for them between 2011 - 2013. At that point Wilshere and Cleverley were much better prospects than Henderson and we had one of them. Obviously that has turned around and Henderson has become a top player (although needs to prove it for longer than 18 months for me).

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17 Mar 2015 16:38:20
I was being a bit flippant to be honest GDS, born of frustration.You're right, I would have moaned massively if he'd been at United playing how he did in his first couple of seasons, but I was moaning anyway because our midfield was crying out for new blood and he did look a good prospect at Sunderland.
He's done really well as he has applied himself, grafted, and took all the criticism on the chin.Unlike some of our midfield "talent" that was underwhelming us week after week.
And I've never rated Cleverly.

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18 Mar 2015 11:22:52
Clev, welbeck, anderson, nani, jones, smalling, raf even gibson and i could go on where all given a chance at united, so i think henderson would of been given a chance to prove himself.

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17 Mar 2015 10:53:21
I'm interested to hear everyone's opinion on the right wing. It appears we would like to secure a deal for Depay thus sorting the left wing. Who would you guys like to see take the right wing berth? Realistically the Muller/Bale type players aren't an option as they are looking to stay put. Who's out there that could do the business on the RW for us?

For pure comedy value, keep the scouse out the top 4 and pinch Sterling? ;)

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17 Mar 2015 11:43:22
I think Di Maria is the solution to the RW slot Rewz. If we bring in a powerful midfielder or a deep lying playmaker who can pick passes I can't see ADM fitting in anywhere else. Alternatively Januzaj will hopefully pick up his 2013-14 form again next year.

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17 Mar 2015 11:49:39
Considering we have Di Maria and Januzaj, and Mata proved he can do a job there too, I'm not sure we need to look at the right wing unless we sell Di Maria. Especially because signing a rb, cb, cm, and possible a new keeper and a new striker will probably be higher on our summer agenda.

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17 Mar 2015 12:11:01
If we signed Depay then we would have options of Di Maria, Depay, Januzaj and Young out wide. and all can play on either wing. I think that would be enough.

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17 Mar 2015 12:28:58
I agree with Ed (as previously stated down the page) that ADM is one of the most overrated players around. I personally hope that PSG come in for him and we take the cash and run! Although never reliable, it's been published that his wife isn't happy and ADM himself wants PSG so there could be something to it.

Does anyone know anything about Anwar El-Ghazi? Although I watch a bit of Dutch football I've only been watching the PSV games. Apparently he is very highly rated over there and is scoring about 1 in 2 from the wing. If anyone follows Dutch football is he any good?

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17 Mar 2015 12:30:39
I think their rise is symptomatic of a rise in anti-immigrant fever spreading throughout Europe, coupled with the austerity measures put in place by various governments. Society tends to lurch to the right, in times of economic trouble, as they lash out and look for someone to blame for their problems. I hope this answers your question.

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17 Mar 2015 12:42:45
Noucamp, there are certainly lessons from history we can learn from when it comes to the Right Wing. The Treaty of Versailles is an excellent example for root cause analysis.

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17 Mar 2015 13:00:01
Very true Stevie,

But I think we also need to pay attention to the incremental shift of traditional left-wing sectors of society to the right. What I call the rise of inverted right wingers.

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17 Mar 2015 13:49:44
I could do this all day :)

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17 Mar 2015 14:05:00
I was going to comment but the words got to big for me.
I'm off back to my jigsaw puzzle.
:-)

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17 Mar 2015 14:44:51
I agree that he has turned into a good performer for Liverpool after an indifferent couple of years. Some of the comments above state that if we had signed him he would have been cast aside by now. I would disagree. We signed Jones the same summer for £17m, Liverpool signed Henderson for circa £20m. I would say henderson has performed more consistently than Jones.

Small ing despite looking better of late has flatered to deceive over the last few seasons, Ashley Young has looked ropey. Valencia has been unconvincing since his injury against rangers in the champions league. Our club does not just cast players aside. And to be honest when his competition would have been Anderson and cleverly he would have got chances as even when he was struggeling to establish himself at Liverpool he was better than those two.

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17 Mar 2015 00:16:40
Can we please stop this nonsense of "If you aren't usain bolt, you're too slow to play centre back". Biggest load of nonsense i've ever heard, centrebacks are there to defend, not run, or else we'd buy a team of sprinters.

I can't believe we let vidic start for us year after year, what a terrible defender he was.

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17 Mar 2015 09:50:15
Your right you don't have to be, but in the Premier league a lack of pace in defence can be an issue. It is an end to end league where teams break on you with pace, if you haven't got the pace in defence to keep up then you can be exposed at the back.

Vidic wasn't lighting quick but he wasn't slow either, he also had Evra and Ferdinand alongside him who were both very quick which ment he had pace either side of him.

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17 Mar 2015 10:46:04
Vidic was much slower than Hummels is. And he'll have Rojo/Smalling/Jones, Shaw and Rafael/New RB. all of which have good pace.

People saying we shouldn't go for Hummels for this reason are nonsensical.

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17 Mar 2015 11:12:03
I don't think there's much difference in there respective speeds between hummels now and vidic at his peak. I seem to remember Torres destroying vidic for pace. And forwards are getting quicker. I just think spending 40 million on a slow injury prone player doesn't make sense. Sorry for having a nonsensical opinion.

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17 Mar 2015 11:22:06
MPez you don't need to be Usain Bolt but you can't be a Stephen Hawking in defence either. Exaggeration works both ways mate.

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17 Mar 2015 12:14:38
The rumours are starting to get more and more far fetched. Personally I can see us making a move for 20th century philosopher and literary maverick Jean-Paul Sartre, he'd do an excellent job in a free role behind the striker.

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17 Mar 2015 12:20:59
Torres at his peak(before injury) was one of the quickest forwards in the world. And he would target Vidic because he was our slowest centre back. As you mentioned forwards are getting quicker, why bring in someone who imo is slower that Vidic was at his peak?

There is a lack of world class centre backs atm, certainly none who could challenge the likes of Baresi, Beckenbauer, Moore ect as best ever, not even any on the same level as Nesta, Thuram, Koeman or Costacurta.

So with no genuine world class CB's then we need players who can at least match forwards for strength and pace.

Hummels has injury concerns and a lack of pace and you want to throw him into the quickest most physically demanding league in the world?

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17 Mar 2015 13:17:43
With most teams playing one up top, having speedy CB's is not quite as important nowadays, as one can cover the other.

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17 Mar 2015 17:52:20
Maybe if we brought in Hummels then maybe Van Gaal would play with a bit more freedom and trust his defense more but we need a right back more though.Cover on the left is needed and Evans and Jones should be out the door

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18 Mar 2015 10:27:28
The problem with the left is we have Shaw, Rojo, Blind, even Young & Evans.

The problem is our right, I love Rafael, but the gaffer doesn't so we need a proper RB, Valencia is just a stop gap and we get found out there.

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16 Mar 2015 22:14:35
What would people think about us potentially signing berahino.

He was spotted at old Trafford so maybe there is something in it.

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17 Mar 2015 07:52:37
Hope not. Nowhere near good enough for me, much rather groom Wilson, it will only hold him up.

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17 Mar 2015 07:54:45
I think he is a good player, could be a good signing

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17 Mar 2015 08:58:40
I was spotted at old Trafford on Monday, I'm not signing though (I don't think anyway, maybe ask Ed002)

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17 Mar 2015 09:13:09
Beast,

Lets keep it clean mate, we don't need to know what you want to do to young Wilson.

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17 Mar 2015 09:24:35
He's not a bad player but his attitude is poor and that's what let's him down. We don't want a Balotelli on our hands.

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17 Mar 2015 09:39:31
The ed has already said we have an interest in him, i thought it was strange he was at the match last week but probably means nothing

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17 Mar 2015 09:49:34
Fantastic GDS

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17 Mar 2015 09:55:56
He's a decent player but atm both Rooney and RvP are better than him and Wilson has a higher upside too.

Personally I think we should let Falcao leave and sell RvP while we can still get something for him, Maybe 10m? Then we should play with one up top with Rooney as first choice and Wilson on the bench. What we need then is a decent mid range striker who can come in and rotate to cover for suspensions, injuries or to rest first choice players.

I would seriously look at Danny Ings on a free or look at Manduzkic as options.

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17 Mar 2015 09:39:05
Ed have you any information on GDS signing please ?

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17 Mar 2015 11:15:34
Agree with shappy. Ings on a free (or minimal compensation) is a no brainer and leaves plenty in the pot for the big acquisitions needed in defence and midfield. Why get rumped by west brom for a player that could just as easily be another benteke or ballotelli.

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17 Mar 2015 13:38:45
I personally feel lacazette is the perfect mid range striker plus he can also play out wide, might cost a fair chunk after the season he has had

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17 Mar 2015 14:37:06
Good player and will be very good in a few years.

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17 Mar 2015 18:05:09
Maybe Lavezzi, can play out wide in a 3 as well.

Would like Moura, Lavezzi and Veratti for £30m +ADM. Never going to happen of course.

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17 Mar 2015 21:05:51
I'm sure this would be a predictable to those of you who know how much i don't care for RVP, but I'd give you 2 RVP's for 1 Berahino, and I don't necessarily rate him that highly, although he did score a nice goal against us at OT. The thing is the lad at least has potential, whereas IMO RVP is so often MIA its TTG.

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