Manchester United Banter Archive April 18 2018

 

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18 Apr 2018 21:14:42
Paul Pogba in my opinion has not lived up to expectations. He jogs everywhere and seems to lack effort.

However, his 10/ 15 mins against city where he scored 2 and the 2nd goal tonight shows what he can do by putting in the effort. There’s no doubt he has so much potential and hopefully he will work over the summer and show us what he’s got next season!

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18 Apr 2018 22:01:48
Im not arguing against your point mate BUT he has a very laboured aproach yo his type of play. SOMETIMES he looks lazy BUT has actually had a good game.

Just wanted to point out regardless of how he's played, he has a style that makes him look 'lazy"

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18 Apr 2018 23:08:08
Agreed EZRS it’s perceived lazy because of the way he moves. Same happened to berbatov in comparison to Tevez. And I’m sure ozil’s running stats are higher than Sanchez this season while at arsenal. Can be deceiving.

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18 Apr 2018 23:48:10
I don't think effort alone should deceive you. It's about the end result that counts. Jimmy Greaves in his hey day barely moved from the penalty area but boy could he score goals. So if Pogba has a languid style but he affects the game positively for us that is what matters. Also to be fair to him if he had a really good midfield partner it would help him no end. The best teams have top pairs of midfielders playing close to each other. Think of our past teams. Today look at City Silva and DE Bruyne or Madrid Kroos and Moriches Barcelona had Xavier and Iniesta. Matic is great as a defensive shield but he plays too far away from Pogba.

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19 Apr 2018 10:50:43
I remember one of the eds saying as soon as we sign him that we would have to get used to he's playing style, and he may look lazy he plays in bursts in a game. Or something along those lines.

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19 Apr 2018 22:39:36
Scholes said it the best, you can't be a united midfielder wanting to win things and only play well one in three games.

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18 Apr 2018 17:04:20
Sent by accident.

To continue.

What did the fans labeled as toxic do. And how was it allowed to happen?

I searched this site tons at the time to try and figure it out, but beyond the broad concept outlines I couldn't find any details and like many others we're really curious and interested to find out.

Does any other posted have any more details or can they find posts where 02 explained it?

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18 Apr 2018 18:10:08
I believe just constant moaning about how rubbish we were, people like me calling for LVG to be sacked, and general consistent negative comments. Stuff that fans of clubs like Everton and others are doing right now, but our complaints were 10X more appropriate. I also read people connected to the club were not happy as well, which I think carries a million times more weight than 'random aliases' bitching and moaning for good reason online.

Imagine if Woody and Co were at Arsenal instead of Utd, Wenger should be counting his lucky stars.

I have no reason to doubt the long terms plans were in place and they were ruined, I think they forget they run a football club though and our club reeks of weakness, indecision and desperation - so what stock to put in those plans is questionable and why do you have to go through football hell to reach football heaven, it confuses me?!

I'd really love to see what sponsors, broadcasters etc were saying to the club behind closed doors under LVG - that will not have been helpful either I imagine and again will have been a lot more toxic to the club as it hurts their bottom line rather than just 'feelings'. Truth is vorboten it seems in this day and age if it is anything other than positivity!

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18 Apr 2018 18:14:54
Type toxics into the search engine and go back to dec 15/ jan 16 its all there still, ed002 predicted what would happen so i'm not sure why people would question him, whether people agree or not us fans just need to accept it and move on.

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18 Apr 2018 19:27:20
You talk my language Beast. Sick of people who are ok with mediocrity.

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18 Apr 2018 19:27:42
I do recall the warnings of what would happen if fans pushed for a LVG exit. Don’t get me wrong, the football was really poor but I was happy to know Max Allegri was coming in and the club had a plan. Again I do love Jose and he’s a great coach and would love nothing more for it all to walk out but obvs isn’t all rosy. Wonder if the club has plans beyond Jose like it did beyond LVG?

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18 Apr 2018 20:58:35
Or jusr search on google on the word toxic and use your logic to understand what a toxic fan would sound like.

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18 Apr 2018 21:24:18
Singh, that's bit unfair. Are you telling me a few fans complaining made all the difference? That doesn't make sense, although if 02 says that's what caused it I'll believe him.

Or was it the majority of the fan base being very unhappy with performances?

The way "the toxics" are frequently referred to makes it sound like something more than just general dissatisfaction.

I've reviewed the posts from 2015/ 16 and 02 clearly explains the situation with lvg, Allegri, long term plan etc and that "the toxics" are ruining it and forcing the board to completely change their plans.

At no point is it explained exactly what that means.

Take arsenal as an example, look at the negativity Wenger gets. Is that the same thing? Were a large portion of our fans worse? Is it something more? If it's the same thing, the arsenal board haven't got rid of Wenger, so why did our board listen to a bunch of unhappy fans?

This is what I mean when I say it doesn't make sense and I don't understand it.

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18 Apr 2018 23:07:35
None of us understand it, i think it’s best we just move on, the term ‘toxics’ is pretty offensive to be honest and hopefully it is aimed at other people we don’t know about rather than us on here. The debate below ended in some pretty nasty things being said that were uncalled for and really not needed, I’m hoping Danny Lancs still posts on here as he’s one of the best we have and has some very good points and debates.

What happened is in the past, we didn’t do the plan, we move on.

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19 Apr 2018 10:25:21
Red D nothing personal. Just tried diffusing the situation. Forget about everything and move on.

Enjoy the sunny weather this week.

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18 Apr 2018 17:02:20
Guys, can you try not to annoy 02 too much. He's the best source of info we have and we don't want to lose him again.

Onto the actual debate down there, I'm somewhat with a few of the posters who say they don't understand what happened.

What I do understand from 02, is this.

1. We have lvg.
2. We have a long term plan involving 1 more year of lvg and then Allegri.
3. Fans somehow mess up the clubs plans.
4. We fire lvg and get jose.

That much is clear from 02.

What I, and it would seem a lot of other people don't understand is point 3. What did the fans labeled as toxic do? And how.

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{Ed002's Note - You don't need to worry about annoying me. It is clear it is pointless that explaining detail about the club is a complete waste of time here, providing any non-transfer related information is a waste of tiem and in all probability providing transfer inforation going forward might well be futile as well.}

18 Apr 2018 20:24:02
well done! probably surpressed any viable info from ed002 for the the upcoming window.

THE issue is, this was in the past and cannot be changed, what is important is the future.

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18 Apr 2018 20:51:22
Really? You think that post from me has stopped 02 from posting anymore? Not the debate / argument below. But this post?

This is the banter page. Why on earth would discussing how our club has ended up where it is be a bad thing? It's not like I was rude or argumentative, I was trying to express a confusion that I think a lot of people feel. I'm not even trying to challenge anything anyone has said. Just clarifying what I don't understand and asking to be pointed to where it was previously explained.

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18 Apr 2018 23:07:57
I agree with you Red, I don’t think asking for a reminder of what was written 2 yrs ago is too much of an ask really but there you go.
Also 2 yrs is a relatively long time so you’d hope a new contingency plan has been put in place not just ‘oh well the plan didn’t work so we will just fly by the seat of our pants now’ - the club must have an idea of what comes next, and it would be reassuring to get any insight as to what that may be.
For me Mou has given us improvement so I’d go another season to see what he can achieve. It’s sad to hear he’s unhappy etc in Manchester as I always thought the narrative was the Man U job was the one he always wanted and aspired to, I wonder when that changed.
Hopefully we can win the FA cup and finish second then kick on next season. A couple of signings will be important but Morris for me a solid pre season where we gel as a squad and settle on a style of play for next season.
Time will tell.
Also I’d love a cheeky enquirer Re Eriksen from spurs as I read he asked his agency to scope out bigger teams.

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18 Apr 2018 16:50:32
I've become so frustrated with the idea of united selling martial. Yes he hasn’t been consistent in terms of form, but he was one of united's best this season in terms of output. I’d dare say that at one point this season I would’ve picked him over rashford (if forced to choose) .

My frustration boils down to the fact that we shouldn’t have purchased Sanchez with martial displaying increasingly better performances. We now stand to lose, in my opinion, one of the biggest talents we’ve had in quite some time. I loved the idea that martial rashford and lingard could form a devastating front partnership, if given time to gel with one another, but we are making snap decisions, which is pushing our club further and further back.

To those that will argue in Sanchez’s defence, I don’t disagree with you, on his day he is a game changer, but imagine if we had panic bought players which pushed ronaldo, or giggs (depending which era you choose) out of the team, without given them a chance to develop. I remember ronaldo wasn’t too dissimilar to martial in his early united career, some games he would look like a world beater and some games he would flatter to deceive.

However, we stuck with him and he turned into quite possibly the greatest attacking threat of our generation. I worry martial won’t get the same opportunity cause we are pigeon holing pogba, sanchez, mata, rashford, lingard and martial into about 3-4 positions, when pogba and Sanchez haven't done enough in my opinion to warrant inclusion.

I also agree that Sanchez is trying his arse off in most games and I agree that the players around him aren’t helping, but martial was managing well with the same level of performance and Sanchez hasn’t proved to be much different, expect that he is nigh on 30 and martials best years are in front of him.

I’m not trying to pick on Sanchez cause I would’ve loved him 4-5 years ago, but we bought martial and we have rashford, both of whom were almost competing with each other at the beginning of the season, which I though was phenomenal for us, but we had to go and buy Sanchez just cause city wanted him. He is in danger of turning into another di Maria and even if he does come good, we don’t have much time left with him.

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18 Apr 2018 17:04:28
He doesn't smile so he can go for free as far as I'm concerned.

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18 Apr 2018 17:04:58
In my opinion you need 2 players in each position to challenge.

We have not yet seen the best of Sanchez and cannot just write him off because all season we have been inconsistant.

If martial doesn't want to stay and earn his right to play in the team then let him go. To be a world class professional you need the attitude to go along with the ability.

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{Ed002's Note - The referee would notice the extra players.}

18 Apr 2018 17:17:56
I’m not writing Sanchez off by any means but realistically we could potentially (if Jose has a change of attitude ) have two or three really good years out of him and we’ve bought him to compete in the left position, when we already had martial and rashford, with martial in particular looking better for us this season. I can understand his attitude to be honest. First he lost his place to zlatan and lukaku and now to Sanchez, after he has been moved from the striker position (although I think lw is better suited to him) . If he doesn’t want to stay then I agree we should let him go, but knowing his luck, he’ll have an amazing end to the season on the right side of our attack and we’ll bloody sign bale.

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18 Apr 2018 19:54:13
😂 Ed.

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18 Apr 2018 23:03:26
Gotta luv 002.😁.

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18 Apr 2018 08:54:51
Nice but of gossip for you but Jose has not block booked at he Lowry beyond June this year.

Now clearly thus means he could be moving to a house, or just waiting for the offer from Paris to arrive. Who knows. All we do know is this marriage of convenience continues for now between him and the club.

I for one think he'll be gone for the start of he 19/ 20 season and Poch will be in place.

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{Ed002's Note - There have been several offers from PSG already Eric - and there won't be anymore in the short to medium term.}

18 Apr 2018 11:12:42
Eye opener Ed002 😉.

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18 Apr 2018 12:46:41
What is the obsession with Poch?
If we wanted an Argentinian spurs manager who plays attacking football but can't win anything Ardiles would be cheaper.

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18 Apr 2018 14:02:46
Pochettino is a good manager, and his team's are entertaining to watch. I wouldn't be against him becoming our manager. There are questions about can be win things, and they will continue until he does. However, I am prepared to give him a little benefit of the doubt as he is managing a team that historically struggles in the most competitive league in Europe. He consistently has Spurs punching above their weight. Unai Emery will win the league this year to go along with his Europa league titles he picked up at Sevilla. Would people want him over Pochettino?

There are some good young managers about, Jardim, Tuchel and Marcelino is doing impressive things with Valencia atm.

Pochettino is a good manager, but he isn't the only one.

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18 Apr 2018 14:12:59
Agree shappy I don’t think that we should discount someone because they haven’t won anything. I don’t think that should be the most important criteria. We have done that with Jose and LVG and we haven’t set the world alight with the style of play. I would be happy with Poch, jardim or even fonesca at Shakhtar who has done really well there beating city in the group stages. I have a feeling Carrick might become an option when Jose goes. Just a hunch obviously there is no guarantee. But if the club think he were to be the right option then that would be a risky but potentially fruitful appointment. I like Poch, I like the way his teams play and I like the way he carries himself. Seems a very good man manager m. He has been found wanting in big games tactically though which is a concern. But with united budget I think he would have done better than Jose.

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18 Apr 2018 15:19:46
A friend of mine, lenny henry has told me that he's booked the city centre premier inn for next season because they have free parking.

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18 Apr 2018 16:54:48
Poch would be very good for us imo. I don't understand the argument saying he hasn't won anything so isn't right for the club. We have a current manager and our previous manager that have won the lot, but they clearly aren't fit for purpose imo. If anybody seriously expects Spurs to be winning the league or CL in order to rate Poch then I think they are not being realistic in their judging criteria. Only one team can win both competitions and Spurs winning either would be a major coup when you factor in the opponents they face and resources.

It's the same thing as when people sometimes say 'George Best was not the best because he never won a World Cup', or likewise with Messi now. It has very little to do with how capable they are whether the team wins things, it's the resources and tools at their disposal both as a player and manager that has to be factored in surely - not to mention the scenarios they are in!

Spurs look the best they have in my life time and I'd believe Poch is overachieving - Utd and Jose on the other hand.

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18 Apr 2018 17:09:35
were on course for our best finish in 5 years.

I don't get the jose out.

We all complaining of stability yet want to get rid of another manager again. 3 managers in 5 years.

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18 Apr 2018 22:05:37
Exavtly Bolger.

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18 Apr 2018 01:49:52
Ed-have you the rumour that dave the save has agreed to join real for 100 million euros? -i thought he was in the process of signing an extended contract-seems if its true the merry-go-round has started with gusto! -now then, what squad number to give neymar.

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{Ed002's Note - We will be staying away from transfer news for a little while. Everything seems to upset the vegetables at the moment and they seemingly have no real interest in what is going on.}

18 Apr 2018 09:22:42
Ed, don't worry about the vegetables.

Vegetables are vegetables they seem to know everything and won't acknowledge a debate with respect.

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18 Apr 2018 09:27:03
Thanks for your input as always ed.

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{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

18 Apr 2018 10:20:59
classof82,

Once again you are believing everything you read, it is quite frustrating.

If De Gea had agreed a deal don't you think more than the Spanish Daily Star might have got hold of the story?

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18 Apr 2018 11:09:23
Respect your standpoint ed. Thanks again for the update on Sunday, was greatly appreciated.

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18 Apr 2018 13:03:42
Respect your decision Ed002 and can only agree with your insight on the state of Man Utd at this time. Every club that has long periods of success attracts "envy" and a degree of opposition fans dislike but it does seem that as a club, we have not only endured a long time of it but we have certainly not helped to appease it. We are held to ransom on transfer values, are no longer the must go to club for the players and seem to have people in position both management and players who would rather be elsewhere. I certainly don't know the insights or answers but it may come that if we don't improve our standing in the game on all levels we could face a fair length of time in also ran wilderness.

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18 Apr 2018 13:19:17
GDS2-I'm sure your right but i heard this on one of those radio stations people get on the world wide wait, a few sports media sights then alluded to it this morning early hours, could be someone connected to him using the united name to raise more interest in him before the world cup, but i think its true to say he's not really enjoying the french league.

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18 Apr 2018 15:45:32
Class, you seem to have a lot of time on your hands.

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18 Apr 2018 15:58:30
Two choices, submerge myself in football and the next few months of transfer market mayhem, or listen the ball and chain talking about doing bits and pieces around the house for the sake of it, tough call but i think i might just favour option 1!

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18 Apr 2018 17:41:14
Your on less than a lot of people class so i'm sure you have less time than some. 🤣🤣
But there will always be 1 ready you tell you off even if they appear to have more time 😂
I would say that 99.9% of what you hear or read is nonsense. Just click bait. I read pieces of it too but i'm not sure why as i don't believe it maybe I've too much time on my hands too. 😂.

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Review Of The Day 18th April 2018

18 Apr 2018 08:04:34
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 18th April 2018

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18 Apr 2018 08:38:50
Good read Ed.
Whilst I agree with retro punishment of Alonso, my question is more of the use of this since if he was to have been sent off during the game it could end with different result? In this case how would it be fair to the other team?
Nice to see Accrington Stanley promoted.
On Everton asking the fans to vote on Sam I think it’s just trying to shift the blame to fans if Samnis being sacked. They should just do it under board decision. Pathetic.

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{Ed001's Note - it is not fair to Saints but what else can they do? The officials made a mistake, just have to live with it.

Regarding Everton, they send out market research surveys regularly but this one was not thought out. However they have no need to send out a survey to shift the blame to the fans as it is already clear the fans want the Scam artist gone.}

Premier League Match Preview Wednesday 18th April 2018

18 Apr 2018 07:12:09
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Wednesday 18th April 2018

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18 Apr 2018 00:31:56
I don't know about anyone else but I hope pogba and martial outlast mourinho at our club. I think we have a great nucleus all we need is the right man in charge. Give mourinho one more season but don't let him sell anyone under 26. The last thing we need is a delightful bruyne or Salah type player slipping through our fingers.

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18 Apr 2018 11:19:55
But the manager can't be blamed for under performing.

There comes a point where the player has to step up.

A player should be able to play in any position and perform to a standard.

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18 Apr 2018 12:50:00
As has been previously explained Salah an de Bruyne were not down to Jose.

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