Manchester United Banter Archive July 18 2012

 

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18 Jul 2012 22:23:09
A few things from that game...

ANY team who take Berba off our hands for £5m or so is getting one of the bargains of the year. He's still top quality, but has never really fit in here.

Macheda, IMO, has it in him to be a good player, but it won't be at our club. We can't give the game time he desperately needs if he has any chance to fulfill his potential.

Lingard was very impressive and he couldn't dreamt for a better first game for the club (Apart from scoring, which he probably would have had he not been dragged down). Petrucci, Tunners and Brady did alright. Wooton did very well IMO. We didn't learn anything about Blackett we didn't already know, he just needs game time at a good level.

Disappointed we didn't get to see much of Kagawa/Powell, hopefully they both start the next game.

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Hernandez was poor
johndenton

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Not as poor as Anderson! How he gets to wear the shirt I'll never know.

DL10

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Berbatov looks good in these sorts of game when it is a slow tempo... He could never do that in the Premier League, his best bet is to go to Italy when the game is slow

fearny

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Fearny - absolutely spot on. Berba would be truly excellent for someone like Valencia or for someone like Milan. His technique is astounding, he just doesn't fit our style of play.

DarkLard08

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18 Jul 2012 22:06:03
We should not read too much into that game except some brief observations.
There was little change to the style of play
Our attacking play was not overly creative
A couple of the young players showed promise. Blackett looked composed, great shot from Petrucci and Lingard had some bursts in the first half. I thought Veselli was ok whilst on.
Hernandez continues to be out of sorts, however if we want to make the most of Kagawa we need sharp forwards to make good runs , something Berbatov will not be able to do.

Red Man

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Very true Red Man, did you see it when Petrucci played a nice through ball to Berbatov and Berbatov lost his rag as he wanted it played to feet. This is exactly why he is on the transfer list. The man is a brilliant player with the ball, but he slows the game down dramatically.

Sydney!

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Petrucci might not have great pace but he has one hell of a brain! His effort with his weaker foot was sensational!

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Couldnt agree more,berbatov is an amazing player but not for the style of football we want to play,petrucci really impressed me when he came on,he was everywhere wanting the ball,berba actually started to frustrate me he was holding onto the ball so well,any team who wants to play the way he does is going to get a bargain

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Sydney

I did and it is everything I have said about Berbatov. When teams see that they push up

It may also be why SAF looks at a striker like lewandovski or RVP who can run on in behind

Red Man

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Red Man, exactly, we need a striker that runs onto the ball else what was the point in signing Kagawa? That is what he is best at. Someone like RVP would be amazing with Kagawa behind him. Lewanowski will be half the player without Kagawa next season. Common sense says we should go for Lewandowski, he is young, strong, fast and already has a rap with Kagawa. But stealing RVP from Arsenal would be a massive coup and a statement. If he was to stay fit we would also be frightening in attack. His injury record, cost and age does make him a big risk mind, but would link-up well with either. I also believe that Welbeck would link up very well with kagawa too. Welbeck likes to make runs, but sadly we never really had a player who put the balls through for the strikers. Centrally we have been lacking for some time.

Sydney!

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18 Jul 2012 21:58:43
Just looking to start a discussion. But IMO Chicharito is vastly overrated. I love the kid's attitude, and influence on the locker room, and noone can argue that he is a great poacher in the box. BUT he might be the worst footballer in the other 98% of the pitch as Ive ever seen. He can't pass, he can't dribble, his interplay and buildup are nonexistent. He can still be valuable with his goals, but he kills more attacks and possessions that anyone United's had in a long long time. I'm not trying to hate on the kid, but seriously, how can someone be so good in the box, and so terrible everywhere else? If he doesn't start improving in other aspects of the game, I don't think he'll ever develop into the world class player United need him to be. -KG

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No I agree he will never be as good as players like Rooney, Torres, Drogba etc. who can work all over the place, but there is no harm in having someone like him who can grab a goal from anywhere.

Welsh Dragon

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Reminds me of another united player loved him to bits aswell Van Nistelrooy couldnt track back only scored one goal outside the box but what a player same as little pea great heart knows where the goal is can see him getting a bigger role this year esp if we get Lucas how many players to feed him the ball then nobody can make the runs pea does remember the goal against chelsea

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Agreed seems like a lovely bloke and very sharp around the box, great movement but when he plays there is little or no fluidity in attack. The boy cant trap the ball. Reminds me of a certain pippo inzaghi, always offside, poor control, poor passing, but still somehow manages to get hatfuls of goals. If you could mix berbas skill with chichas instincts and attitude, you would have the perfect striker.

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Are you serious?

First season was great adapted well to the English game scored goals and got vital experience.

2nd season wasn't that great compared to his 1st but with an injury that put him out for months, welbeck and rooneys partnership flourished, and Hernandez didn't really get a shout.

He's fully fit, gets a good pre season, match fit, ild rather play Hernandez than welbeck, he's a natural goal scorer as for welbeck he doesn't really know how to score.

Hernandez if he is 100% at the start of the season will be leading goal scorer! He'd pure class and still young.

To move to another country at such a young age and adapt is amazing!

Hernandez and Rooney should be our starting striker pair.

Dea gea
Rafeal. Smalling. Vidic. Evra
Carrick
Valencia. Young
Kagawa
Rooney. Hernandez.


Dea gea
Rafeal smalling vidic evra
Carrick
Valencia. Young
Rooney. Kagawa
Hernandez


MUFC1990

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Not a patch on vanistelroy and never will be one good season and now couldnt trap a bag of sand a red united fan not as any of these muppets pint anything worth printing

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I've been saying the same thing for the past few days, I think we've already seen the best from Chicharito and can't see him improving much from here, he needs to be able to set attacks up rather than just tapping the ball in after all the hard stuff has been done for him. I disagree with the comparison with Van Nistelrooy, Ruud was world class and carried United on a good few occasions, Chicharito would be more like Solksjaer in my opinion although Solksjaer deserves legendary status for his time at United as well

Flimbo

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I was only comparing him to van for his eye for goal not his goal scoring record ban only scored once outside the box chico will be the same put the ball inside the box chico will be there if you want a better comparison Robbie Keane happy?

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Guys I don't remember ole doing much tracking or scoring to many screamers or even being involved in the build up to a goal but he put them away! Hernandez to get 20 this season!

Caolán.

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Teams will pay a lot of money for a player who can only put the ball in the net.
chica a good player at what he does
jred

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Caolán. - You obviously dont remember Ole being played as a right winger which he adpated to very well. One of the reasons Beckham was let go. Sadly his injuries then started.
Invisible STuey

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Jred
Yes they would, what is the aim of the game? Yes it's putting the ball in the back of the net!

Caolán.

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18 Jul 2012 21:38:19
With the formation he used in the game today could this be the team for the start of the new campaign.

---------------De Gea------------

Valencia--Ferdinand--Vidic--Evra--

------Carrick--Scholes--Cleverly--

--------------Kagawa------------

----------Rooney--Welbeck-------

Similar team to todays game with Evra and Valencia doing the wing job aswell. I expect different formations throughout the tour so it will be interesting to see what works best.

fearny

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18 Jul 2012 21:16:11
Good feeling about Petrucci and Lingard for the future. Just a couple a to mention

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18 Jul 2012 21:17:42
Nice to get pre-season under way. It was a decent enough match with some good moments. But it got abit disjointed once we started to chop and change.

Brady didn't do much to surgest LB is his long term position, although this game would be classed as early in his progression. His positioning was mostly that of a winger and he had to keep reminding himself to hold back.

Blackett looked better and more composed when he came on.

Lingard was bright and had some nice touches and showed his intelligence with his inter-linking play.

Didn't really get to see the besy of Petrucci when he came on, and Tunnicliffe went about things in his entusiastic manner.

The time waiting for Kagawa to come on seemed like the longest continual run of play in the game, Seriously he was standing on the side line for more than 5 minutes waiting to come on. He didn't have much time to make an impact but his second touch was a great through ball to Berbatov who had unfortunately strayed off side. I think we can expect to see more of those this coming season.

Other than that it was a decent warm up with nothing to write home about. Looking forward to the next game now.

Shappy

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Disagree in the case of LB, Blackett struggled if im being honest and I thought Brady did well, you have to remember they were playing as wing backs so they had to both jobs, give him time and he will be Evra's backup for the season

fearny

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I think we can safely say that Brady will not be Evra's understudy next season and will likely go out on loan as a LW. Blackett clearly lacked match experience. Blackett will be a great player after he has had a couple loan outs, perhaps a season in the Championship and a season in the EPL. Petrucci looked a little slow, but for his first proper game (ever) he did very well. Hope he signs soon. Tunnicliffe could be a top player, but probably needs an EPL loan next season. Lingard will relish his loan move next season, good little player with great control.

Not a bad run out, but will need to speed up the play more in the next game.

Sydney!

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Fearny i just felt Brady left his post too often and against better opposition would have been made to pay. I wanted him to be great but he wasn't. I'm not totally writing him off as Evra's understudy but just pointing out that he has plenty to work on. He was no better defensively than Evra, which to me is a worry considering Evra's recent form.

I agree that Blackett needs a loan, he will be great but he isn't ready imo atm. But lets see how he does for the rest of the tour.

I would like someone else to come in at LB, and i didn't see anything tonight to change my mind. But i'm am still of the opinion that we probably won't see a LB come in during this window, unfortunately.

Lets wait and see.

Shappy

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Everyone done ok, big day for a lot of them lads I wouldn't make any rash judgement based on one game to be honest
jred

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But your not getting it at all are you... Its his first game at LB and he is asked to both jobs which he did well... The only reason Blackett,Vermijl and Veseli didn't get caught out is because they didnt nearly offer as much threat going forward as Brady. Once he gets the balance right he will be a handy player to have. He knows how to make a tackle, that rawness is what people like about him, he is a battler.

P.S no left back will be bought in my opinion, althought I have been told of serious interest in Izzaguire

fearny

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I'm not making any judgements on their long term futures based on one performance. It was more a brief explaination of how i felt each played in that game and what to expect in the next game. I rate our youth very highly.

Shappy

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Jred, rash judgements? I have followed Brady for four years through the academy and reserves and on his loan spells. I know that defensively he isn't up to it. Defending is something he has always struggled with even to make it as a top winger.

Sydney!

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I did say in my OP that it was the first game of his progression. And I appreciate that but he will have to massively improve his defensive reading of the game and his positioning if he is gonna have a chance of being a regular LB at this club. I'm not saying he can't do it, just that he's further away than I hoped. I like the lad and want him.to succeed, I much prefer to.see a.lad come.through than see one signed.

Shappy

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Syd I've seen him play lb for rep of Ireland under 21's he's up to it

Caolán.

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Shappy there is nothing wrong with making an assesment of the game its more comments like
"I think we can safely say that Brady will not be Evra's understudy next season and will likely go out on loan as a LW."
after one game about a young a lad playing his first game for the first team , not in his natural position.

syd you know brady isnt defensively up to yet fergy thinks he could be so do you know more than fergy now.

ferny got it right , the lad has to learn the position and fergy must think he can but then again no doubt you know best
jred

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LOL, but that's just it jred, the manager doesn't really see him as a long-term LB for the club. He was saying this because we were horrifically short of LB's for the tour and he knows that teams will hold us to ransom if we went into the market for a LB. Do you seriously believe Brady would have been playing LB had Evra or Fryers had went on tour? Of course not. Don't be so naive. Brady will never play a senior game for Manchester United as a LB.

Sydney!

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Syd
stop making scenarios up just to try and prove your point.
why do you have such an issue with the fact that you may be wrong about something.
for crying out loud you have an excuse for everything .
"if we dont sign a cm i will hold my hands up" no there was an excuse

if fergy says something he didnt mean it, what he meant is what syd thinks.

when RFT point out he has a contact at everton and there has been no contact about baines ,well that cant be right so you come up with
" I doubt any sort of formal/written bids will be made right now. I think SAF, Gill, Elstone, Moyes and Kenright will discuss prices amongst themselves until fee is agreed." how can u possibly know that.

just let it go pal its ok to be wrong sometimes, if we buy a lb great if we dont well im sure fergy has a plan.
this is a banter site not a who know the most site
jred

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Jred, RFT said if we didn't sign a much needed midfielder would you then admit we are skint. I would have had no problem admitting that if we hadn't spent £50m in other areas. Hardly skint is it Einstein?

Brady would not be playing LB on this tour had we had Ev with us or still had Fryers at the club. Brady is a stand-in for this tour alone. Lets see how many games he gets as a LB next season shall we?

I believe we will go toe to toe with Everton for Baines, I believe there has been contact and I believe there will be more. We will not make formal bids to Everton as we do not do business in that manner with Everton. Alex Ferguson/David Gill and Bill Kenright are good friends. They will do their business privately amongst themselves just like it has been done in recent years with Neville, Howard, Saha & Gibson. I doubt that even the Everton players would know what is going on regarding Baines.

If it happens, it happens, if it doesn't then it doesn't, but I do not mind sticking my neck out unlike some who like to sit on the fence.

Sydney!

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18 Jul 2012 21:17:36
The only slight negative from the game for me was Hernandez' contribution. I'm a big fan of his after his first season and TBF this is only the first pre-season match. But he will need to start showing that he has the composure and all round game to play regularly. His runs into dangerous areas are great but at times he lacks the first touch and technique to link up with others or even finish off chances

Like I said, I'm not writing him off and I want him to succeed at United but he will need to impress over the coming weeks

Gav

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I think he is very much an impact player. Chuck him on around 60/70 min mark and his fresh legs, raw pace and his clever runs will get goals. If you play him from the start then opposition defences get the chance to get used to his movement and his poor control lets him down.

Although i must say he is one of my favourite players as he always has a smile on his face and has a great attitude.

Shappy

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Blackett needs more time, so does Brady if he is to make LB his position. Carrick purred as usual, Ando gave the ball away as usual. Lingard impressive so was Wooton.
Biggest problem for me is Chico, it was there for everyone to see, this guy really is lacking confidence hopefully he will score soon and we will see that smile again.
Too looked fresh as well.
Dishforth Red

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18 Jul 2012 21:10:30
General thoughts on the game...

Impressed with Lingard's 1st half (as others have said);
Lindegaard the keeper did well too;
Berba showed some class tonight, seemed like a shop window exercise though?
Same goes for Macheda perhaps, he actually looked half decent;
I liked the shape we played with, bodes well as an experiment;
Was good to see Kagawa come, even if only for 3 mins (shame!)

Not a bad exercise overall

Gav

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18 Jul 2012 21:09:13
Macheda scores, Berbs looks class, Lingard impressed as did lindegaard. Brady was alright at left back though he is as much defensivly minded as Evra. We should turn Blackett into Yaya Toure and everyone else was alright.

1redarmy

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He has pace and power and a rocket of a left foot! That's a good shout!

Caolán.

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18 Jul 2012 21:07:37
Was anyone else getting really frustrated at how long it took for the ball to go dead while Kagawa was waiting on the touch line. Also, I swear Drogba was playing for Amazulu.

Welsh Dragon

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18 Jul 2012 21:07:33
Apologize if this question seems stupid but what is Kagawa's foot preference?

Ozzy

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Right

fearny

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He is naturally right footed but he isn't "one footed" and is comfortable using his left.

Just for the record there are no stupid questions just stupid answers.

Shappy

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There are lots of stupid questions.

FredtheRed

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Asking questions is looking to expand your knowledge, this isn't stupid. Just because you know something someone else doesn't that doesn't make them asking the question stupid. Where as I have heard numourous stupid answers.

Shappy

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To be fair, there was that girl that tweeted "Is Wimbledon always held in London?" ... that is pretty stupid

Gar

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18 Jul 2012 21:06:38
Just to keep you informed about the ticket situation re the Everton and Liverpool games. The Police have asked for this and Everton are appealing against it. They don't think they can sell all their tickets. They are very keen to give us a full allocation. I AM KLOOT

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18 Jul 2012 21:05:54
Must say despite a poor second half plenty of positives, I think Lingard was Absolutley fantastic, Macheda looked very sharp and took his goal well also, strong performance from Wooton and Lindegaard. Disappointed didn't see much of kagawa!

Caolán.

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18 Jul 2012 20:51:59
A lot of you have bigged him up but Blackett has struggled, Brady although more experienced was a lot better and Blackett will have to improve if he is to make the step up next season.

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Blackett isn't ready. Like I have been saying he needs a couple loan outs. I think he could be ready in two years.

Sydney!

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This is the beauty of football, I watched the same match and came up with the opposite conclusion.

Brady was very keen to get forward and left his defensive duties behind on too many occaions for my liking. Of course this is something that will get better with time and experiance of playing LB. But we weren't against great opposition tonight(no disrespect to Amazulu). Against top class opposition he would have been punished for his defensive lapses.

On the other hand i thought Blackett looked more composed and more comfortable defending(not suprising really). He had one moment when the softest penalty decision was given but sense took over and the decision reversed. I don't even think a prem ref would even give it consideration as a penalty.

MY conclusion? Brady was better going forward but lacked defensive sense and Blackett was a more soild option but not as cutting going forward. Which when you think about it isn't very suprising seeing as Blackett has spent the last 5/6 years as a defender and Brady as a winger.

Shappy

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Blackett looked good, showed some nice skill and touches, remember he is 18, very young and inexperienced. We have bigged him up maybe because we have seen him play for more than 30 minutes.

Hate these games where people see a player they have never seen before and suddenly know if he is good enough to play for united!

GDS

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Blackett signed pro terms last week hes hardly going be a superstar yet!

Caolán.

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Gds
has hit the nail on the head , big game for a lot of them lads and you cant judge a player on 1 game or 30 mins jred

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GDS, very true, Blacks is a couple season's away from being ready. Brady is no LB and IMO will continue his progress out on loan next season as a left winger.

He was a left winger at Hull last season and a left winger in the reserves and academy. The manager said today that it's a bit of an experiment so I think that says it all. If the manager truly saw him as a long-term LB then he would have played him there regularly way before now.

A LB will have to come in this season. Question is who?

Sydney!

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18 Jul 2012 20:50:42
surely if berbs will sell for a measley 5mil we're better off keeping hm?
any chance we could jut mould him into the midfield position.?

TRUMORS

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I'd rather take the £5m than let him go for nothing next year.

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I doubt it as he isn't industrious enough. I think we are better off moving him on. He has been a great proffesional with us and he deserves the chance to move on and play regulary rather than rot on our bench.

I wish him the best with the rest of his career and will always be thankful for the memories he gave me.

Shappy

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18 Jul 2012 20:49:00
Contrary to reports that United has given,i understand that we are about to submit a €41,5m bid for Moura.......mmmm he must be special for SAF to keep bidding......Edd is this guy. More effective than Ronaldo?

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IMO yes he is and will be better than ronaldo, combined ability of maradona,messi,ronaldo and George Best(r.i.p)

Caolán.

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18 Jul 2012 20:24:55
this why are we buying another winger got me thinking.

is it completely out of the realms of possibility that moura could play centre mid? rooney up top kagawa behind moura behind that and carrick behind that. each of those players can fan out left or right no problem especially the first three. with nani and young flanking that would be incredible


_______________carrick
______________________moura_______
_nani/val______kagawa_______young/nani
___________________rooney________

Ill leave this up to those who have seen him in full matches to give better judgement but I can guarentee that well be playing a higher up the pitch pressing game meaning moura wouldnt have to be too far back.

we question his physicality but the boy seems strong for his age and his passing range is supposed to be top notch he is a playmaker for sure. his preference is central, kagawas preference is central. this way accomodates both and makes a little sense in what has been a little peculiar in terms of yet another winger.

you have to admit rumours have gone quiet on the modric moutino erikson front or any centre mid for that matter

food for thought.

for me, a centre creative spine of rooney kagawa moura would be truly breathtaking. and maybe even martinez chucked in on that. ha pushing it.

so question to any. could moura do a modric?

..constantine..

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Swap Kagawa and Moura, and it might work.

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18 Jul 2012 20:07:31
First half was promising, Jesse Lingard looks like he could turn into a fantastic little player, he and berbatov have stood out to me although i think this game is suited to berba in the way its hardly high tempo so he has plenty of time to work his magic.. looking forward to kagawa and powell

UnitedRUnited

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18 Jul 2012 20:05:54
Impressed by lingard

Discountdave

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18 Jul 2012 20:00:04
Berbatov looking absolute class in the first half. What a volley and great save. I AM KLOOT

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Best player on the pitch more skill in the end of his toe than most players have in 2 feet
johndenton

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He was as slow as ever and we were to predictable from start to finish sorry KLOOT you are clutching and straws
ARB

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18 Jul 2012 19:53:24
great commentry on mutv
"a lady has just stood up blocking my view. and its fair to say she aint petite. i ithought there was a full moon" class.
also lively 1st half from lingard.

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LOL, i was just about to type the same thing, although it was eclipse not full moon.

JK92

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18 Jul 2012 19:38:59
sergio busquets role by carrik, xavi by scholes, iniesta by lingaard,messi by hernandez, villa by macheda, just cant figure out what berba is doing!! can see the difference in possession percentage as well. its like barca now.. i kno opponent is no class but our line up is also totaly young except a few. so great work.

rodio17

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I'd actually say Berba was playing more the Messi role of withdrawn striker popping up in different areas of the pitch. Barca don't really have anyone like Hernandez, although I didn't think he had the brightest of games

Gav

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Oh dear if he was playing the messi role we are in trouble. With so much time he looked great, he doesn't get that much time ever in the Prem.

GDS

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18 Jul 2012 19:34:43
watching amazulu game and tell you what,Lingard looks very promising

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I was just going to post the same thing.

Gar

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18 Jul 2012 19:33:31
Macheda startin this tour same as last year - decent finish

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18 Jul 2012 19:33:17
1-0 macheda
sparky

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18 Jul 2012 19:32:46
1-0 macheda he has started well

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18 Jul 2012 19:31:37
2 things to notice here in this friendly
1) most discussed formation mater : we are 4-3-3, clear barca style ( i hope we continue this)
2) berba is simply not interested.

rodio17

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Berba is having the time of his life out there!?

Gar

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1) agreed
2) Berba has had some moments of brilliance toward the end of the half TBF - that volley!

Gav

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18 Jul 2012 19:21:38
whats the team tonight ?
sparky

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Lindegaard
Veselli
Wootton
Rio
Brady

Scholes
Carrick
Lingard

Berba

Macheda
Chicharito

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------L'gaard-------
Veseli Wooton Rio Brady
L'gard Carrick Scholes
Chicha Berba Macheda

(but Berba has been playing more withdrawn, between midfield and attack)

Gav

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Thanks
sparky

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18 Jul 2012 19:21:18
wot is the starting line up for the friendly?

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18 Jul 2012 19:19:34
This team looks most likely at this moment in time, would everyone be happy with it?

-------------DDG----------

Rafa---Vidic---Small---Evra

---------Ando--Carrick----

Moura------Kagawa----Nani

----------Rooney---------

For me, it just lacks something, but looks good nevertheless.

However, do you really think that Fergie would spend 35m on a brazilian teenager? i dont know if he would.

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Number 7??

GDS

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If Uncle Fergus spent £35m on a Brazilian teenager then surely it would be to replace the woefully-consistent Nani rather than the ever-consistent Valencia as your team line-up suggests!

Halesini

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Nani would be required to play on the left (when he favours the right) as Moura plays from the right!
Although it would be interesting to see Valencia play from the left and see if he is still "ever-Consistent"! Some people need to think before replying! Its a case of playing the best TEAM possible!

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No it is not, it is a squad game, united never play the same team in 2 games in a row. We do not have a best 11.

GDS

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18 Jul 2012 19:15:13
For anyone who wants to watch the United match, Coolsport.tv

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18 Jul 2012 19:14:31
Can someone post any updates on the game tonight inc line ups, scorers and final score.

I'm stuck staying over in Edinburgh and I'm not paying £20 to use the hotel wifi.

Cheers.

Jono {Ed002's Note - Find a bar with wifi.}

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18 Jul 2012 19:01:32
I think that if we do get Lucas, then Nani will be sold for around £30mil +, so then Lucas would only cost £5/£10 million in theory.
That gives me hope for further signings as well!
1993

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Thats like saying Andy Carroll cost minus15m.

MelonRed

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18 Jul 2012 18:50:14
Eds
Are we interested at all in either debuchy or kroos both great players ?
Is reus worth a shout anyone ? {Ed002's Note - No; No; He has already moved this summer.}

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18 Jul 2012 18:37:53
Why are we not seriously considerin Debuchy or Kroos ? Both very good players.

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Maybe their not on Fergies list.

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Because we dont need a right back and Kroos wont leave Bayern.

MUMBAI_BOY

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18 Jul 2012 18:37:01
anyone know any good links to watch the game on tonight? Thanks.

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How about stop being cheap and buy MUTV...

fearny

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Shut up fearny

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Fearny you want that we literally buy mutv?? im all for getting hands in pockets for the club but im pretty sure I didnt shuffle a few mil in change last time i scratched my balls.

maybe just a subsriction will do eh?

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18 Jul 2012 18:30:12
There is a lot of talk on here of Lucas Moura and possibly Axel Witsel coming in and perhaps Baines or Izaguirre. If Lucas does come in, then we will have to sell Nani, but I'd be loathed to lose such a good player. I'd rather lose Young. If Witsel were to come in he'd replace Fletcher I expect, a signing of that ilk is essential for me as is a left back. If Everton want the reported £15-18 million for Baines they can get stuffed, he's good, but if Alba is under £10 million, then Baines should be as well. Baines is good and would add something, but Izaguirre would be a fine player to bring inN he would be understudy to Evra. Realistically we'd be paying this for the 3:

Lucas £35 million
Izaguirre £8 million
Witsel £15-20 million

That would be a another £50-£60 million outlay, but we could get £10 million for Anderson, £5-£10 million for Berbatov and £30 plus for Nani. That could recoup most of the money. I'd rather keep Nani though like I said and get rid of Young next year.

RedDevil19

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Anderson will not get sold

rodio17

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Young won't be going anywhere.

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I know that Young won't be going anywhere, I did say that, but I'd still rather have Nani than Young. As for Anderson, I don't want him to be soldN but he is the midfielder that is most expendable.

RedDevil19

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It is a shame we can't really get rid of Young after one season TBH. Don't get me wrong he's a good squad player and had a decent first season, but he's not in the same class as Nani on his day. Let's say we could get £20m for Young or £30m for Nani I'd much prefer to do the first option and I think it would be better value. Having options of Moura, Nani and Valencia for the wide positions would be immense!

Like I said it wouldn't happen but that's a bit of a shame IMO

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...my name didn't come through on the reply about Young/Nani

Gav

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18 Jul 2012 18:14:13
Well the Moura bid is a shed load of money, So what do all the "we never spend/eternal excuse of no value in the market/we hate glazers" brigade think? I assume they believe we are bidding without hope of signing just to shut them up! Must be a tough time for the gloom mongers!

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Or maybe just waiting till we actual buy someone for a shed load of money.

so far this summer it has been reported that we have bid 30 mill plus for hazard, rodriguez and now lucas.
if im honest i believe some of that is paper talk.

i hope its true that we are bidding for all these players , but over the years i find it best to wait and and see who we actually sign.
jred

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Lol I said this last week and got about 50 comments on the other page, no wonder you left no name, good luck!

GDS

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Maybe they see him wanting a big-money move to Madrid or Italy after a couple of seasons? Just a cynical way of looking at it, probably not true.

Seems weird though, that we'd rather spend a gigantic amount on what is essentially an unproven,raw talent...than an established world-class player.

RED_SKY

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I think it's paper talk and we have not got a pot to p#ss in. No money, no more signings, not much hope with this midfield, but I am a "Glazier hater" and you have probably got your rose tinted glasses on.
Red Snapper

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Snapper,

It's glazer mate.

GDS

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OP

We have supposedly bid for all sorts of players however making a bid means nothing. There are plenty on here who will say bids show the Glazers intent and then we get to the end of the window to find there is no value. There is certainly a suspicion they are empty bids because either we know we won't meet the asking price or perhaps wages or agent fee so we are safe making a bid, however the bid looks good for the fans.

Wait and see on 1st Sept what we have done and judge then

Red Man

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But 38 million Euro's is a heck of a lot of money Red Man, so i doubt they'd do anything stupid like offer 38 million if they had no intention of actually going through with it. What if the club turns around and says yeah ok then, they'd luck bloody stupid then wouldn't if they come out with o sorry we have no money we were just bidding to shut the fans up. If we can scrape together 38 million to bid for a player then agents fee's shouldn'be an issue and wages either as well shouldn't be an issue especially if we get shot of Berbatov as his wages would make up almost all of whatever Moura asks for.

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I believe none of the bids are hollow bids, I just believe the club will not go higher than their valuation of the player. However like Jred has said, I think it's time to do it once or twice this summer as we need improvement.

Sydney!

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Who has said we have bid 38 mill

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18 Jul 2012 18:00:42
If we can manage to ship out Nani and Berbatov for £35-40million then sign Lucas Moura for £35million id be happy as we would still have whatever war chest we have already left over to get a central midfielder like Witsel so id be really happy

_____________DDG
Rafael___Smalls____Vidic__Evra
_______Witsel___Anderson_____
Valencia_____Kagawa_____Lucas
____________Rooney__________

I know people would prefer Cleverley or Carrick ahead of Anderson but i seriously rate him very highly and if he can stay fit i think he would turn out having a great season

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I'd love that team! However I think we'd be more likely to see an alternation between Scholes/Witsel and Carrick/Anderson. Also Moura would play behind Rooney with Kagawa on the left of midfield, but more attacking minded than Valencia on the other wing...who is more a winger than a LM.

Andy

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Good lineup but I'd like a new LB and for me in midfield it would be either Carrick/Witsel (holding) with either Scholes/Cleverly/Anderson/Powell (playmaking) as combinations

Gav

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18 Jul 2012 18:21:20
Ok opinions please, when the transfer window closes who would you be happy to call a Manchester united player, obviously sensible ideas and within price range, mine are,
Lucas moura
Debuchy
Witsel
Toni kroos
Walcott
Muller
Nasri
Marcelo(real Madrid)
In my opinion Lucas moura, debuchy and witsel are all MUSTS ! Plus I don't see the big deal about modric,toni kroos would be a lot cheaper and is 10 times the player modric will ever be.

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If any player in the world was 10 times modric he would be the best player ever to play the game!

Nasri is a sensible signing?

GDS

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You'd still have Nasri after what he did?

RedDevil19

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Kroos is way better than modric. Debuchy kroos and witsel are musts. Modric isn't even that good dno who you've been watching maybe put your glasses on ?

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Yes he's awful that's why real Madrid want him for 30 million lol. Maybe Jose needs his glasses on??

GDS

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18 Jul 2012 18:17:05
People are saying dont sign Lucas etc hes too young too expensive blah blah!

Hes expensive for one reason, he is the nest player at 19 i have seen in my lifetime maybe even ever and he would already walk in to any team in the world imo hes better than Di maria (so over rated) an Sanchez and Pedro who both are inconsistant and not world class like Lucas.

Hes 19. So what? If hes got the talent shoudlnt we buy him cus of age? he could stay for 10 years and carry us on his own hes that good and imo can only improve immensely.

Imo there are 3 wingers that could make it to the Messi/Ronaldo level at the minute they are

Lucas Moura - imo an insane player who is up with the likes of Nani,Pedro,Sanchez,Navaz already
Eden Hazard - unlikely due to arrogance and persona
James Rodriguez - depends on who he signs for and if he gets game time when signing fir a huge club

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" he is the nest player at 19 i have seen in my lifetime maybe even ever and he would already walk in to any team in the world imo"


apart from the brazil Olympic team
jred

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Pretty sure he's in the olympic squad?

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18 Jul 2012 17:43:02
Marco Aurelio Cunha has called on Manchester United to up their bid for Lucas Moura.

http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/football/news/article/-/14267424/

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18 Jul 2012 17:40:09
SAF describes Brady at LB as a "bit of an experiment". I will be p1ssed if Blackett doesn't get a fair crack on this tour.

Sydney!

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And do u think SAF would care for any1 ;-)

rodio17

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Syd he's already said Blackett is there for the experience of being in the first team squad, i doubt he'll start.

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18 Jul 2012 17:32:52
is there any good free sites to watch the preseason match tonight against amazulu ??? any help appreciated

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Vipbox
johndenton

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Firstrowsports

G.A.G.U.S

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18 Jul 2012 17:24:45
The fact that signing a player for £30+mill is seen as a good financial investment (resale value; not just making the money back but perhaps a hefty profit) is pretty much a microcosm of how the transfer market has drastically changed.

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18 Jul 2012 17:15:59
just seen on sky sports that RVP has been enquired about and man u, man c and juv are most interested maybe there is a small chance we could get him as i couldnt see him going to city and sitting on the bench and with all the big egos there and already they have 4 ST unless of course they sold 1 or 2 and cant believe how cheap PSG got silva and ibrahimavic apparently ibrah was sold for 15.7 M JT-RED

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I find it hard to imagine RVP at United tbh

Also, £15.7m for Ibra? I don't think that's cheap for a player who is 30 and on astronomical wages. He probably earns two thirds of that in a year so it's just as important for the selling club to get him off the books as it is to get a decent transfer fee. Also, Silva was closer to £30m no? Which is a huge fee for a CB who will likely be in decline by the end of his 1st contract

It will be interesting to watch out for PSG in the CL next season at least

Gav

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18 Jul 2012 17:05:49
I don't think Fergie should buy anyone this summer as there is obviously no value in the market and the Glazers have given him 500 million to spend its just that the right players aren't out there. And hopefully we can get another 5 years out of Giggs and Scholes in the midfield. I AM KLOOT

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LOL...i like it!

Simmo

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Oh here we go ! KLOOT you are pathetic mate .... The transfer window is still open and we have signed one class player and one class talent why the moaning? clearly you need to think before you type !

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I think kagawa and powell are excellent value for money

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Kloot i suppose 50 million spent last summer was nothing,also their is another 6 weeks till the window closes and we have already spent nearly 20 million i think you would also never bring anyone through from the youth and reserves just block them by signing loads of 30 million pound players

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Ah here we go lol...

GDS

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Kloot - I don't share your pessimism quite so much, but you made me chuckle loudly enough to make heads turn beside me. Cheers :)

StevieK

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18 Jul 2012 17:04:02
If we did sign Moura, I hope we do. I think he'd settle in quite well with Anderson and Rafael already at the club.

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And Sandro playing as our new DM

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Also Nani if he stays as Brazilians speak Portuguese !

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18 Jul 2012 16:53:45
According to some rumours mufc made 41 mill Euros bid for moura hope they accept it this time :/

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18 Jul 2012 16:14:26
What is it with all the positivity in here today, where are RFT and friends to bring us all down?

Amazing how a rumour about signing one player can make everybody so excited. We have a lot of quality young players in the squad, it is a shame we lost Pogba but hopefully he will not be too much of a miss. I am excited by the players we are linked with and what message it would send out if we were to sign Moura and Eriksen for example.

I am looking forward to seeing Kagawa and Powell tonight on MUTV, I have missed watchng United games, this part of the season gets me excited, even if we have gone with a young squad.

I wonder which player from the reserves will have everybody talking tonight and tomorrow even though they have been promising for years?

I am thinking Petrucci or Blackett will be that man.

GDS

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IMO Petrucci will be one to step up this season and prove himself a quality player, whether it be at OT or out on loan. The lad seems to be determined to make up for lost time.

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I have a sneaky feeling Macheda could have a decent season this year... Berba will be off to Milan soon and Macheda will be our 4th choice striker. I think he could really have a breakthrough season this year

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The club have been trying to offload Kiko for some time now. If he has a good preseason he will likely get a loan with a view to a permanent move. Besiktas are meant to be interested.

Sydney!

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18 Jul 2012 16:37:22
It is not related to our club. But how good are Barcelonas youngsters, they destroyed arsenals team. Have a look on the daily mail.
nnk

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Aston Villa's youngsters destroyed Arsenal's youngsters 10.1 last season. Arsenal's youngsters are not that great anymore to be honest. United, Chelsea and even Liverpool's youth are better.

Sydney!

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There not Barcelonas youngsters they are a team from California who have a strong relationship with Barcelona, thats why they have the kits and the coach is a former Barcelona youth coach

fearny

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Also, at the Aegon future cup (Under 18s), they were beaten by the winners Ajax on penalties, who beat our own team 5-3 on penalties to win the final.

At youth level it's very hard to see how good a team are. Also, this story is of U11's, which means they are like 6 years from even being considered for pro contracts, in which time, ANYTHING could happen with regards to these players.

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Our reserves made of up of the youth cup winning team beat villa

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18 Jul 2012 16:30:42
I just want to answer the questions put to me in an earlier post again

Gar

The answer is obvious, I don't think Hernandez is as good as his first season would portray, I'd actually go as far to say that we might have seen the best of him already although obviously I would rather be wrong

RedDevil19

As I said before I really cant stand those underscore format teams that deluded Fifa addicts constantly post on the site so I'm obviously not gonna post one but if you think about it you I don't need to as the players I've suggested selling are not in SAF starting 11 anyway, Berba is gone, Chich is behind Welbeck and Rooney in the pecking order and Anderson is..well...Anderson, so selling those 3 doesn't impact the our best starting 11 in the slightest

It does however have an affect on our 2nd string players, and those new players would do more than just upgrade our squad, they are all capable to getting into our current starting 11 which creates great competition for places therefore increasing our performances and giving us a much better chance to win trophies.

Can you seriously tell me that our team would be no better if we sold those 3 subs and signed Sneijder - whose as good as Scholes on his day, Van Persie - whose as good as Rooney not to mention better than Welbeck or Chich will ever be, Fellaini who is a very consistent performer and well used to the hustle and bustle of the PL and a much better fit to the position that Anderson is forced to play in as he didn't live up to the potential he promised in the position we signed him for (left wing) and then Izzaguirre is a good solid LB with plenty of promise who would learn well from Evra and then you have James McCarthy who could become an absolutely fantastic engine in the midfield if he can match his potential - Are you really going to tell me we would be better off sticking with what we currently have? If so then I don't think I'll be able to take your posts seriously anymore

Flimbo

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Agree Fimbo with all you have said would love Sneijder and Flelani at Utd and have been saying this for some time, I also rate McCarthy highly and he will go on to be a top class player. I realy dont rate Wellbeck as I dont think he will score enough goals but his workrate is second to none but he is not a natrual goal scorer. Who is going to score 20 odd golas for us if Rooney gets injured? for the 40 million we are supposed to have bid for Mora we could easily get proven quality in Fellani and Snejider

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RedDevil19 and I are extraordinarily on the same wavelength most of the time but Young Flimbo makes some unequivocal points here.

Bottom line is we need squad players who would be first choice first team players elsewhere. Yes that creates an 'i'm not getting enough games Boss' for Uncle Fergus to manage but thats what he's paid to do, manage.

A successful season will be 60 games long. Plenty enough for a '2 players for each position' approach a la City.

We only need to look at the impact of a 40+ game season on someone like Evra who at times was woeful. If Baines or any other 'first choice' player was in the wings that would be a lesser but higher quality number of games played, for both players.

I posted about a week ago Berbatov + £15m for RVP is what we should be putting under Arsene Wenger's nose to contemplate. Dont be surprised if Fergie considers other options too in order to get the squad into a squad of difficult team picking every game for the right reasons.

I like Hernandez but his lowering down the pecking order below an already over-rated Welbeck must be a concern.

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Hernandez is a fantastic impact player to have. He had an exceedingly good first season for us, and last season was tired due to the fact he had played a world cup, pre-season, full epl without a break. I am expecting to see him return to better form this season coming. To say we have seen the best of him at 24 is absurd!

Gar

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Exactly my point Halesini, and I'm chuffed at you calling me "Young Flimbo" too cos, at 30 (31 in 2 weeks) its probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me :-)

Flimbo

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"Fantastic imapct player" is just another name for someone who goes missing when you play them for 90 minutes. How many "Fantastic impact players" have been nominated for the Ballon D'or each year?

Flimbo

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There is no point in going to the extreme of Ballon D'or. Did you care that Ole Gunnar Solskjaer wasn't nominated for Ballon D'or? Granted he had better overall play than hernandez has now, but he definitely deserves to stay and improve. Tbh, he did play awful last night, but I still think he can be a match winner.

Gar

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Gar

I'm not saying I don't like Hernandez, I think he is a very good goal poacher but the rest of his game is just terrible. He was a spectator in the CL final as he just doesn't have the skill or creativity to create attacks or link up the play and these are just basic necessities a modern striker must possess, especially a United striker. Solksjaer was a far better player as he could create goals for himself rather than relying on otheres to do it for him. Who would you prefer Chicharito or RVP?

Flimbo

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I completely agree that he is lacking in other areas, Ive said that. But people calling for him to be sold already I don't agree with that at all.

Gar

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18 Jul 2012 16:28:39
If you look at the majority of our signings for the last few years you can clearly see that Fergie is trying to leave a young immense team for his replacement so they can improve on great instead of trying to achieve great.

Players that can be quality -

David De Gea
Chris Smalling
Phil Jones
Rafael
Fabio
Nick Powell
Javier Hernandez

Plus players that have gone threw the ranks at united -
Dann Welbeck
Keane Brothers
Davide Petrucci
Ryan Tunnicliffe
Tom Cleverley

Lucas Moura would only make United a better team whether he becomes the next Ronaldo/Messi or a little behind in ability he is an immense talent at 19 and could walk into Barcelona's team imo ahead of Pedro or Sanchez even now

I have not got Rose tinted glasses in fact im quite pessimistic if truth be told !

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18 Jul 2012 16:25:19
I know its a distance dream but if Utd could land Lucas Moura&RVP to go with Kagawa then I think would totally change how Utd seen at minute, One think that the lift&excitement it would bring round the club of Utd fighting back, second it does seem that just from round by me fans of other clubs not seein Utd as really competing for title winners,Not that kind awe of Utd got this or that player.

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18 Jul 2012 16:08:14
edd is the any credible source for this second bid for lucas.
as far as i can find the whole story has come from Globo Esporte which also never named a source.
not sure how reliable Globo Esporte are but they run a story today that hulk could be off to spurs
jred {Ed002's Note - I will check this evening about the "bid".}

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Cheers much appreciated
jred

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Ed002 do you think that if Moura signed that would be Nani shown the door or Valencia pushed back and then Rafael dropped ? also do you think Rafael could play on the left of a back 4 as Fabio doesnt seem phased whether left or right {Ed002's Note - I think Nani would go if Moura signed.}

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But Juvuentes is his first choice followed by United.

CRMike

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Juventus? I know Chelsea, Inter, Real Madrid & ourselves are interested, when did Juventus come into it?

Sydney!

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Ed002, only a rumour, but I heard a little whisper that Juventus and AC Milan had enquired about Nani.

G.A.G.U.S

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Man Utd are the only team working with Sao Paoulo to strike a deal, they hoped for Milan aswell to get a transfer battle going but it has not been the case/

fearny

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18 Jul 2012 15:42:02
Hi guys,
Can't wait for tonight's match but I am very disappointed mats daehli isn't on the our yes he is the same age as me but he has immense talent! Does anyone know why he's not on the tour?

Caolán.

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He's not really ready, but I think he would've been a better choice than Bebe.

G.A.G.U.S

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They don't take academy players on the tour... Before anyone says it Tyler Blackett is now in the reserves permanently.

fearny

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Because there is alot of players ahead of him in the pecking order in his position that need to make a statement and get some game time

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18 Jul 2012 15:46:43
Clyne signed 4 yr deal at Southampton not really bothered about missing him as rafael is fat better than him!

Caolán.

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There were a lot of people convinced he was coming to united
jred

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I thought he would have chosen us in the end, but the lad put football before money. Well done to the kid. It was always going to be a tough ask to get in front of Rafael, but I still believe he would have got his chances with Rafael's poor injury record. I imagine if he impresses and Southampton get relegated he will have another chance to play for a top club and the fee wouldn't be too high either. Nice to see a kid choose football over cash.

Sydney!

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I said exactly what syd said earlier in the week.....

shame to loss out but he wanted playing time and this was not going to happen at united......

oxred

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I agree with Syd - especially on the fact that I actually think Clyne would have ended up making plenty of appearances for us had he joined either - through rotation or Rafael getting injured. Fair play to him for wanting to be first choice though

Gav

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18 Jul 2012 15:31:16
Eds, is it true that RVP has siad he would rather go to Man Utd the City? {Ed002's Note - I really have no idea.}

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18 Jul 2012 15:18:05
Hi guys,
my first post here and u might find it a bit off topic but here it goes...
I completely understand SAFs' interest behind moura and his will to go as far as paying as is being reported(assuming the reports to be true) because if u look at our current squad, we have infact the best young talent in england if not in europe....and assuming that we do sign moura, our starting lineup for almost the next decade will include players like :
degea, lindegaard
rafael, smalling ,jones ,evans, fabio
valencia, powell, cleverly, anderson(why do we forget that hes still 24) , moura, kagawa, nani
welbeck,rooney, hernandez

i have only included players who are likely to play for us for a long time and are around or below 25.and a few more quality additions here and then.
Now if u look at that kind of talent and assume tht they are going to play together for atleast 5-6 yrs...the future definitely looks bright! 6 to 7 players out of these will also play together for country! So does barcelona ring a bell?
Fergie is building for the future.he always does.may be this is his last year but he'd have done enough for us to be at the top for another decade. Atleast potentially.no wonder we're the world's number one brand.
In fergie we trust.

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18 Jul 2012 15:14:53
Fergie will bid 41 million euros for lucas moura.

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18 Jul 2012 14:53:08
Ed002, if we do end up signing Moura for 30+million do you see us buying anyone else? I think if we can get Moura early we may be able to stretch to another mid, a cheaper one though.

1redarmy {Ed002's Note - Regardless of Moura, yes I do. I think rekindled interest in Witsel will be seen soon.}

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Has there been a price touted for Witsel?

Gar

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Thats interesting ed, what do you think has caused this rekindled interest in Witsel?

Shappy {Ed002's Note - I suspect a recognition that the centre needs some added strength.}

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Cheers ed. I wondered whether it has anything to do with the Fletcher situation.

Shappy {Ed002's Note - Perhaps.}

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And the fact that Modric is pretty much a Real Madrid player?

G.A.G.U.S

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18 Jul 2012 15:04:34
To everyone saying Moura is a RW.... He is not.

He plays RAM but CAN play RM

He has openly stated though he does not like being confined to the right when he has played RM as he enjoys playing all over the pitch and having the ball a lot.

MG

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If he signed for us I don't believe he would be confined to the right though anyway given the fluid style we are expected to play with an interchange between Young, Kagawa, Rooney, Nani (if Moura's arrival did not signal his departure- all hypothetical of course).

APC

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18 Jul 2012 14:54:20
I was just thinking about the team we could have in 4/5 years using our players we currently have and maybe one or two signings.

_______________DDG
Rafael___Smalling____Jones___Blackett
________Tunnicliffe___Powell_________
LucasMoura_____Kagawa_______Barmby
_______________Welbeck____________

Im not sure on the wingers in our ranks like Brady, Van Velzen etc im not that knowledgeable about our youth at the minute bar a few..

Obviously theres Cleverley,Petrucci etc that could also be put in but i think theres a good balance with tunners and powell

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18 Jul 2012 14:33:51
CDS {Ed002's Note - Completely agree but this has been dealt with in the past and we do not want it opened up again. Sorry.}

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It ok 002, we all already known about 007s history as a poor male stripper.

Shame though, they say he had so much potential.

;)

MPez

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18 Jul 2012 14:42:29
Robhinho, Jo, Elano, Kleberson, Alves, Lucas, Gomes, Cacapa, Roque Junior, Gilberto. That said, I'd love to see Moura signed, providing its no more than 35m(£).

RedCraig.

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Ramires luiz rafael

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18 Jul 2012 14:23:51
With Owen already gone and Berbatov looking like he's going, do you think S.A.F. will fill the void with Kagawa, Powell and Macheda or will we move for Lowandowski or Van Persie? We already have Rooney, Welbeck and Chicharito, do we need another striker? If Moura is seen as a future Ronaldo he could be a back up striker too. (I know we haven't got him yet but IF we did) exciting times though.
Mitch.

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Welbeck and chicharito for me are'nt good enough, fergie should go for persie and lewandowski, and to be honest rooneys not that clever anymore, needs to lose some weight.

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We do not need four strikers with the formation we will be playing with next season, but that doesn't mean one will not be signed. We'll see I guess.

Sydney!

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We have supposedly made a bid for van persie.

Caolán.

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3 is enough because kagawas in the hole and where playing with 1 up front

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Ive put a post on the rumours page that should appear soon stating that i was told last night by Harry Redknapp that Fergie is 100% trying to sign rvp. I think this maybe the only forward we are looking at just because of who he is, fergie is a big fan and he seems to be available. I think he'd be more than happy to go with what we have if we miss out on rvp. Redknapp was at a golf event i attended at Herron Reach, ive posted a pic of myself with Harry to back up my posts.


Parks.

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"Welbeck and chicharito for me are'nt good enough, fergie should go for persie and lewandowski, and to be honest rooneys not that clever anymore, needs to lose some weight"

Noname - you are either mental, an incredibly harsh critic or a bitter L'pool fan...which is it?

Gav

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18 Jul 2012 14:20:17
If we sold Nani for £25-30million and replaced him with Lucas Moura for £30-35million ... surely that would still leave us with our budget of money if we had any aswell so maybe we would be able to afford a centre mid still anyway like eriksen or khedira or witsel as none would cost more than £25million......I would love Moura but he would have to adapt to improve on the left in a 4231 unless we play 4231 modified to have wing backs and a defensive minded midfielder like Witsel or even Carrick or Scholes that can play deep too.

________________DDG____________
________Smalls________Vidic_______
Valencia____________Witsel_____Evra
________Cleverley_________________
Lucas Moura____Kagawa________Nani
_______________Rooney___________

We would defend with the cbs,wbs and dm so 5 players.

Obviously i would like to replace Evra but i cant see it happening and Rafael can play wing back on either side so may be a shot on the left to see how he goes ??

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Witsel, Baines, Kagawa, Powell & Moura in?

Anderson, Fryers, Park, Pogba & Nani out?

____________DDG
TonyV___Small___Vidic___Baines
_______Witsel___Clever
____Moura__Kagawa__Young
___________Rooney

Sydney!

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Sell nani and still have him in the team...how interesting
DJ

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DJ clearly you missed the post i was trying to make a team with Moura and Nani in but it isnt possibke unless you use valencia as a wing back which is unlikely but i was trying to make a point if Moura signs Nani will go!

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18 Jul 2012 14:16:52
I was at Herons reach golf club last night for a charity gala night, few celebs there like freddie flintoff, colin montgomerie, sophie horne and a few more. We got talking to Harry Redknapp and asked him a few different things, he says manchester united are 100% trying to sign rvp and if he has any desire to play for us then the deal could happen. Apparently last year nasri shook hands on a deal with fergie then went and signed for city and fergie is worried about it happening again. I asked him why we'd be after him when we have just got Kagawa to play off rooney and he just laughed and said "because its Robin Van Persie". Didnt think there was much in it then today we hear arsenal have recieved bids. Ive no need to lie about this and im sure people can check if such an event happened last night, better still ill post the pic of me and Harry on here but it'll be wierd having Redknapp on here. Ill do it now so you can check it out.


Parks.

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18 Jul 2012 13:41:14
If Lucas Moura does come in, then do you think that we will play Valencia more as a midfielder or right back? If in some games we played Valencia at right back, Nani and Moura on the wings with Kagawa and Rooney in the middle, I think we'd do okay in many games...

_____________DDG
Valencia__Smalling__Vidic__Evra
________Cleverly__Carrick
Nani________Kagawa_____Moura
____________Rooney

RedDevil19

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No weel play 4-3-3 when we have the ball
mid will be carrick
kagawa lucas
and attack
valencia rooney nani/young
and when we dont rooney will drop back as usual into a 4-5-1 with one of the wingers playing more centrally if we win the ball back quickly

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I think in the big games we will play 4231 in most other games 442.
dont think valencia will be a rb
jred

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But there is no cdm or young but i do agree

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18 Jul 2012 13:25:36
Ok so I looked Lucas Moura up on Youtube, yes he looks like a good player, but a world beater? I think not, I wouldn't pay a penny over £20m for him, plus our luck with Brazilian players isn't exactly great..
I would much rather us sign someone like Khedira, who can create up top, but can also defend, and also if we sign Moura he plays RW so would he be played in front of Valencia who was our best player by far last season?

Jake

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Try watching him in a game maybe rather than on youtube?

T0MB0Z

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Luckily our scouts dont make assumptions on youtube clips! If he comes in ull be proved very wrong still cant see it happening myself

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You are blind then iv watched the kid live and i can tell you he is world class as for position he's a midfielder not a winger, and as for the look at how many brazilians flop 1 doesnt mean there still not quality imo if weed have signed ronaldinho from psg he wouldnt have ended up like he has cos fergie wouldve whipped him into shape brazils ability to prdouce world class talent will never diminish unless they all become rich xD

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He is a front 4 player

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18 jul 2012 13:05:39
lucas moura wil be joining united after oplympics....................!

till then see the other deal to be done witin this week !

sanedo

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18 Jul 2012 12:56:22
If we get Moura I will be extremely unhappy that we haven't used that sort of money on Javi Martinez or another world class CM.
SqueakyBum

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I would feel the same way, however, we may not know something they know, like maybe he had no interest in the EPL?

Gar

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God cant please some people, If we get Moura it will be amazing, not just for man utd but for the epl!

Plus it shows we can keep up with the big spenders,

Cban

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I agree that Martinez would be better for us at the moment, but there are too many factors other than money affecting transfers.

Welsh Dragon

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Are you serious moura will be best player in the world and you'll be unhappy if he comes .

saf said 1 or 2 players which means 2 players and we wont get a lb

so that means we will get a cdm/cm

think before you post please.

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18 Jul 2012 12:28:01
lucas moura is a mix of messi maradona ronaldo and jesus

we need moura for the next big thing

he will be better than neymar

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18 Jul 2012 12:22:57
How much do folks reckon we have taken off the wage bill with those gone and those likely to go balanced against the costs of those who have signed?

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18 Jul 2012 12:20:45
Is Moura in the UK with the Brazilian Olympic Squad?? Maybe a deals been struck!

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Or maybe he is in the UK because he is playing in the Olympics?

GDS

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18 Jul 2012 12:00:59
A straightforward question for you all. Which would you prefer?

28yr old Van Persie for £20million?

or

19yr old Lucas for £35million?

TK-Red

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Lucas moura everyday

Discountdave

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19yr old Lucas 35 million but i would rather have two central midfielders, Strootman, M'Villa or Eriksen for a bit more.

Simmo

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Lucas Moura I would say.

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Van Persie - proven world class Striker

Giants14

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We spent £34m on DDG & Jones so cannot see why we wouldn't spend that on a huge talent who lets face it will sell many many shirts for the club and would have a huge asset value and sell-on value. Add that to the likeliness that Nani being sold would help fund it and that the Glazers need to make some sort of statement to the fans, I would say it is more than possible this could come off.

We'll see I guess.

Sydney!

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I would prefer Lucas, although it would be a hell of a gamble

Sparty On

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Or both

Red Man

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Lucas

GDS

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19 year old Lucas Moura!

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Moura and Eriksen would be extra special but we just don't know, it's all speculation at this point.
I may well be that Powell and Kagawa turn out to be our only signings.
I hope not, i would be desperately dissapointed!

Simmo

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Well sure Red Man, if we want to be greedy ;)

TK-Red

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Sydney!

I agree mate, it seems that SAF has made this lad a priority signing if reports are true. There is absolutely no reason to suggest we wouldnt spend that money on him.

TK-Red

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I would prefer Van Persie for the fact that I have actually seen him play more than 5 times or on youtube and he is proven. That is being honest as 99% of people commenting probably have very little knowledge really on the player. At the same time Van Persie is a wonderful player but lets face it last season was the first he hasnt spent a lot of time on the treatment table and at 28 what does he have as a striker 3-4 more years at the top? Lets face it even if Moura was a big let down Im sure we could sell him on for £10-15m in 2-3 years, Van Persie would be more like to go for half that figure so financially though a higher price Moura is the better deal. Im looking forarded to the Brazil friendly on Friday and the Olympics just to see abit more of him as he hasnt wowed me bar the odd moment when I have watched him play to be honest, but Im sure he is a much better player than I have seen, but he is definately VERY raw.
Invisible STuey

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Most things that man utd does is for finance eg. signing kagawa will boost sales in asia plus he is a good player

signing moura will boost sales in brazil

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18 Jul 2012 11:57:25
IF we did get van persie do people think we'd play how we did in 08 with 1 main striker and 3 behind all interchanging?

something like this:

----------de gea--------
rafael--ferdy--vidic--evra
------carrick--scholes---
luisnani--kagawa--rooney
--------van persie-------


this leaves us with a strong second team as well..

----------lindegaard---------
jones--smalling--evans--brady
------anderson-cleverley-----
valencia---welbeck-----young
----------hernendez---------


thoughts?

banter please ed.

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No way would i put Rooney on the left, he is to important to us down the middle now. He is a 20 plus goals a year goal scorer, alot more reliable than Van Persie who has only done it for one season.
I wouldn't touch Van Persie, cracking player but to old, to injury prone and would cost well over the odds.

Simmo

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1st and 2nd teams are a bit silly, we very rarely play the same team 2 games running, you are better to name the 25 man squad when doing any analysis of players.

GDS

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Can Kagawa not play a deeper role? Dont know much about him so i'm sure sure of his natural position- is he flexible?

----------De Gea--------------
Rafael---Rio----Vidic---Evra---
-----Carrick/DM---Kagawa
Valencia ----Rooney-----Nani
-------------RVP------------

Would be a great team! although very offensive minded, would prefer a DM instead of carrick, maybe play a midfield diamond formation with Kagawa at the top and a Essien type brute sitting in front of the D and have two strikers rooney and RVP leading the line

Ya see this management thing is easy ;)

Giants14

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I suppose the first one would work, but Rooney wouldn't want to be outwide much I don't think. Evra and Rafael would supply us with good width. I think that Valencia will be used quite a bit as a right back as well this season providing us with lots of width.

RedDevil19

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18 Jul 2012 11:36:26
Manchester United are trying to come from the shadows to sign Manchester City's target Robin Van Persie!! They really want him and apparently they are offering £55million for him! Man city are reportedly giving up trying to buy him!

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Day was getting boring... thanks... made me laugh a little....

you must be a gooner...

there are only a handful of players i would pay 55m for and he is not one of them.

oxred

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Ha ha ha...you shocking post!
55 million for Van Persiem, get real and post your rubbish on another page.

Simmo

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I saw £55 million before reading another word, and stopped. Why would anyone pay £55 million for van Persie?

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LOL 55 million for a player in the last year of his contract, where do you no names make this crap up from?

GDS

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55mill? Shouldn't you be on the Liverpool site?

Gar

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It's united so there will be a point between the two fives

Simple typing error no doubt

Red Man

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18 Jul 2012 11:29:01
My understanding is... that Fergie is desperate to sign Lucas Moura and will make a third offer.

The offer will be around £34 million ( My opinion way too much) but he believes the kid has talent and also gives the Glazers a re-sale value later in his career.

With more money going into the deal for Lucas Moura, Fergie has resorted into ending his interest in Leighton Baines as their valuation is way off the mark compared to Everton's. However he still believes he needs a new LB and I have word that his third choice (behind Baines and Alba) is Izzaguire from Celtic. My understanding is they could expect to get around £10 million for him and fergie is willing to pay that.

fearny

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Interesting... think he would be the better option anyway..

all we need to do now is get fergie to put in a double bid for him and victor wanyama....

never seen him play but ed07 rates him so that is good enough for me

sorted...

oxred

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Saw Wanyama linked with someone like Newcastle or Villa I think in the press this week. I havent seen him, plays for Celtic as does Izzaguire who I havent seen either. If you havent seen Wanyama and he plays for Celtic have you actually seen Izzaguire play then? Would seem strange otherwise that you want us to sign two players that you havent even seen?
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Stuey

I've seen Izaguirre play a lot and really rate him. I suspect we were close to signing him last year just before the transfer window closed and then he suffered a serious injury. He came back towards the end of last season and looked as good as before the injury. He is strong defensively but also gets forward well - his crossing is very good. He hasn't got the tricks and deftness that Evra has but strikes me as being much more dependable. He reminds me of Irwin in that I've rarely seen him have an out of this world game for Celtic, but he's almost always an 8 out of 10.

Only question is - could he step up from the SPL to the EPL? I think he probably could - he is streets ahead of a lot of SPL players in terms of technique and consistency. I suspect he'd have been ahead of Baines in our left back target list if he'd stayed fit or if he'd been playing in a stronger league.

Personally I feel he'd be a better signing than Baines, but probably wouldn't go straight into the first team - he'd need some time to adjust.

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He isnt going to sign baines because he likes evra and will test youngsters out there

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18 Jul 2012 10:56:36
What do people think about maybe playing a 4 2 2 2 formation
...........DDG....................
Rafael.......Smalling......Vidic......Baines/evra
...............cleverly...... Carick...............
........kagawa...........................moura
...................rooney.....welbeck..........

Imo probs not enough width and maybe a bit to open however was only a suggestion any of your opinions would be helpful.

Ps Banter please Ed?

Coombesy

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Wheres our new number 7?

GDS

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18 Jul 2012 10:42:31
Does anybody think Fergie sees moura as a striker? Or is it a case of if we get him then Nani goes?

RR

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What is the obsession with getting rid of nani.....

if we change formation to 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1

then nani is a better fit on the right then valencia......

Oxred

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Well said Oxred - just like the beginning of last season When we had Nani on the right and Young on the left - think we were pretty good then - and great fun to watch.

Mike

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Moura is front 4 false #9

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18 Jul 2012 09:40:32
first time posting, just a thought if utd think highly enough of lucus to offer 30 million then surely they should pay the extra 4 million to get him!! at 19 his potential value in afew years could be sky high!! hopefully we dont let him get away over a few million ! what do use think eds??

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18 Jul 2012 08:37:39
will man utd up their offer to get moura ??
i hope they do..

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18 Jul 2012 00:34:26
Ed, Fergie said he wanted one more signing maybe two, is the one Lucas Moura or are we working on someone else and Moura is the second signing which he didn't seem to give the impression he thought he would sign?

Jake

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18 Jul 2012 10:41:19
I agree an attacking option is great we dont have many players who can show a bit of magic to beat a player but why our cm isnt stronger our best one last year again was scholes we have never replaced keane i have i hopes for cleverly but would love to see a tradition midfielder a person who can pass track back when needed and someone to run and beat a player... What we have been lacking for a long time now is a solid dead ball specialist Rooney is decent enough but like his games he is either in it or not nani is 60% time a bad one I thought when young came in I though we were sorted but seemingly not hopefully who ever we sign has a good cross and free kick

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18 Jul 2012 10:33:41
Squad for 2013-14.

If we buy Eriksen 20m & Lucas Moura 30m we would be unstoppable.

GK DDG, Lindegaard, Amos, Johnstone
RB Rafael, M.Keane, Vermijl, (Jones), (Smalling)
LB Fabio, Evra, Blackett, (Brady), (Evans), McGinty, Thorpe
CB Vidic, Smalling, Evans, Jones, Rio, (M.Keane), (Thorpe)
RW/RM Valencia, Nani, Cole, (Lucas)
LW/LM (Nani), Young, Brady, Lingard, (Kagawa), Barmby
CM Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson, Eriksen 20m, Petrucci, Powell, Tunnicliffe
Hole Rooney, Kagawa, Lucas 30m, (Powell)
CF Welbeck, Chicharito, W.Keane, (Rooney)

Giggs, Scholes & Fletcher coaching rolls.

This would be a very attacking and powerful squad.
A young team with a good number of British players.

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18 Jul 2012 10:09:36
Hi guys? Do you think we should make a cheeky bid for andy caroll.. Still young, can always improve on his game with the right players behind him?

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Abolutely not!

Simmo

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LOL, would you rather play 1980's football or play like Spain and Barcelona? Carroll is not the way forward for us, nor any top club for that matter.

Sydney!

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No, he is the definition of Donkey and doesn't suit our style at all.

RedDevil19

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Be perfect staying where he is then syd ;)

GDS

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18 Jul 2012 09:55:42
There is something wierd about this Lucas Moura story. Would we really bid 41 Million Euros for a 19 year old who has no European experience and is a massive risk. I would rather spend the money on Rodriguez who is a natural left sided player and suits our needs a whole lot better. Don't get me wrong, i'd be the first to welcome Lucas, but it just doesn't seem plausible. The figures seem way off the mark and I would be annoyed if we signed him, spending all our cash without signing a left back and a central midfielder which are the areas of concern.

RedDevil19

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It is undoubtedly a weird one. I've never believed we would sign him especially with the figures quoted. He could be immense but he could also do a Robinho in the PL. However, I am hoping we do what I have been crying out for for the last 2 seasons and spend big because we only have to do it once if we target the right players. I'd happily spend massive money this summer on 2-3 more quality players who are reasonably young, then only spend small amounts in the next 2-3 years.

Imagine a summer of Lucas, Kagawa, Powell, a new CM like Thiago, Modric, Moutinho or Eriksen and a LB. Yes it would probably cost us about 100m but we would be set for the forseeable future in most areas especially with the talent coming through.

Rjmanutd

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Well we bought Anderson 5 years ago for £24million or 30,623 euros so with Inflation in the current market how does spending the quoted figures on Moura seem wide of the mark?

lewis.no.9

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R19
the thing i dont get is if its true we bid for Rodriguez and hazard that makes lucas third choice.
would fergy really bid 40 mill for a 19 year old Brazilian who his rates behind the first 2.
im really not sure about this story
jred

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Maybe we bid that much knowing that it wouldn't be accepted.. that way it looks like we are trying to sign top players..

the club bid 30m for a player, it gets turned down, the fans think we have money and then the club come out and say they don't want 2nd rate players so nobody will be signed if we can't get our man...

JK92

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18 Jul 2012 09:42:51
Morning all,

Just a quick one as i know everyone is proberly bored of the Moura talk already, but if we did bid 38 Mil (euros) and they are looking for 40 surely we will just the extra distance?

Lastly with AC selling Ibra surely that opens the door for Berba to go that way, and SAF did say utd were in for 1 maybe 2 more players... So if we seal a deal for moura and berba goes perhaps lewandowski? making up the 2 as i personally dont see us buying baines as Everton will hold out for silly money and personally dont rate him enough for UTD..

What do people think? ( ps this is just a thought i had so dont get on your high horses moaning :-) )

Charlie

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18 Jul 2012 09:14:07
Was just wondering if we are to judge Moura on the clips i have seen on you tube then in my opinion we shud just spend the money on Nicolas Gaitan. He's skills and ability on you tube are too be apprciated more than Moura's, and he wouldnt cost as much and more so has shown interest to play for Manutd... Get Gaitan and a CM and see how the season goes. About the LB position lets make good use of the available players...( Anderson once said hes best favorite position wass left back) doesnt cost anything trying him out thea.

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18 Jul 2012 08:43:50
Lucas da Silva Moura 30m & Cristien Eriksen 20m
Could this REALLY HAPPEN??.?.?.?.?...?.?

Fergie seems to have given up on Baines because Everton don't do us favours like we do them ala Howard, Neville, Saha, Gibson...ect. Fergie has gone on to say Evra doesn't get injury lay offs so fingers crossed he won't this season. With Brady an outside left willing to drop back to get first team experience and Fabio fresh from QPR next season we don't need a left back. So we have the Baines 15m for Eriksen if we add Berbatov's 5m sale to it. Plus we have the Hazard money burning a hole in Gill's pocket for Lucas.

I'd be willing to let Eriksen stay on loan. Giggs, Scholes & Fletcher will leave next season would be a great time to bring him in.

2013-14 season.

GK DDG, Lind, Amos, Johnson
RB Raf

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Why the hell would we spend £20M on a player and then leave him there on loan for a season? that has to be one of the most ridiculous ideas I've heard on here. We need midfielders now not next year, silly silly post!

Flimbo

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Poor Man Utd relying on Everton for favours things must be bad.

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18 Jul 2012 08:40:13
Sky sports news reporting that arsenal have received bids for van Persie, one from city. Anyone think united have / will bid? Priority seems to be left back or a flair player. Another striker would be welcome as chicarito and welbeck are a bit lightweight and aren't the finished article yet.

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Kagawa will play behind rooney another big name striker makes no sense

maybe a young striker that costs little

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18 Jul 2012 08:33:54
According to Sky Sports - Arsenal have received a number of offers for Van Persie, i wonder if Utd are among those interested.

Giants14

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18 Jul 2012 08:17:27
I really do hope we get Lucas Moura, I have watched several Brazil games with him in the senior team and I have to agree he has a load of talent, he is very natural when it comes to skill moves and beating the defender. The only problem is that the premier league is much more physical but I think if we get him he will be able to shine here. We could be getting our next Ronaldo type player, we will have to wait and see.


-JakeW

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18 Jul 2012 08:14:34
Saw somebody else do this before and thought I would give my opinion...

1st-Man Utd 2nd-Chelsea 3rd-Man City 4th- Tottenham
Top Scorer-Wayne Rooney or Kun Ageuro
Player of the Season-Wayne Rooney
Young Player of the Season- Eden Hazard
Manager of the Season-David Moyes
Relegated-Swansea/Reading,Southampton,Wigan
Champions League-Real Madrid

fearny

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18 Jul 2012 07:47:44
Good morning,

I was just wondering if one of you Eds could help me out, I was reading that Madrid have put a buyout clause on Jese Rodriguez, we all know Moura has a buy out clause as do many players playing in Portugal and Brazil.

I couldn't help but think if we had a buyout clause on Pogba or other players we would have a better chance at keeping them. Why does this not happen in England?

Thank you,

Cban {Ed001's Note - they are not legally enforceable here.}

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In addition to Ed001, the problem with Pogba was his contract was up. So even if these clauses were enforceable it wouldn't have made any difference in Pogba's case.

Danny Pughnited

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18 Jul 2012 07:29:36
Well Done to the Glazers for supporting SAF on his request in purchasing Lucas Moura.
Hats off and I believe its one more push in spending 46 million Euros.
I have read the article in the Mirror explaining they want to hold onto the player to attract sponsorship, but sponsors but are not stupid! As soon as someone is registered as sponsors, the player is sold!

Question? They will go through the 2012-13 season with Lucas, but in financial difficulty, especially if they dont win any trophies. Should they sell them to United?

Question? I think United are re-addressing their team to play like Barcelona - where the front six are all skilful, fast and special players - Think to start off, SAF first six would be - Rooney, Valencia, Kawaga, Moura, Carrick, Scholes.
What are your views?

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17 Jul 2012 18:35:53
A question to the Eds. Teams in Spain and Brazil put these ridiculous buy out clauses on players in their contracts. Yet, I have never heard of us or any English teams using them. It seems that nobody matches them anyway so what is the purpose of them?


CRMike {Ed001's Note - they are required in Spain, that's why they have them. They are set ridiculously high to stop a Figo situation happening again.}

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18 Jul 2012 02:42:17
Hi guys,
My predictions for the season-
1st united 2nd city 3rd arsenal 4th Chelsea.
Top scorer- Hernandez.
Player of the year- Rooney
Young player of the year - hazard
Signing of season- Kagawa
Manager of the season- moyes( done brilliant with everton)
Relegated- Wigan, Southampton, qpr.
I think we will win the champions league too!
What you all think and be optimistic!


Caolán.

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Win champions league? With the gaping hole in your midfield? . You're banking on doing a Chelsea then

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Top scorer will be rooney.... hernandez will not score many from the bench..

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Seems alright apart from champions league, I can't see us winning it but maybe reaching the semis.

-JakeW

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Young player of the year would be nice if it was Petrucci, Powell or Eriksen, Lucas if any one of the last two end up at O.T in the window.

Tewwy Tibbs says, "BOOT-IF-ULL!"

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1st - united
2nd - Chelsea
3rd - city
4th -spurs

Top scorer - Rooney
Player of the year - kagawa
Young player - Poweell
Manager of the season - fergie

MUFC1990

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Wigan will not be relegated , they will be above Liverpool - so unless you are saying that Liverpool are going down??

Mike

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I wouldn't say Hernandez for top goal scorer i would go with rooney or aguero

Kagawa to hit double figures and be top 3 with assists


Dwright

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Hernandez won't start enough to get top goalscorer, I think he will be more of an impact player. When we start with two strikers, it will be Welbeck.

RedDevil19

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I think you should be more optimistic to be honest, I am sick of these people thinking we are going to fail ;)

GDS

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1st United 2nd City 3rd Chelsea 4th Spurs
Top scorer - Rooney
Player of the year - Rooney/Aguero
Young player of the year - Wilshere (if fit)
Signing of the season - Still too early to say
Manager of the season - Sir Alex
Relegated - Southampton, Wigan, Norwich
CL - Real Madrid (we get to quarters or semis)
FA Cup - City
League Cup - Chelsea

Rjmanutd

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League standings:
1. united( but only if a top-class midfielder is brought in, otherwise we'll finish third)
2.Chelsea
3.Man city
4.Arsenal
Top scorer:
Van persie( if he stays in the EPL)
or kun Aguero.
young player of the year= Hazard
player of year= Kagwa
I doubt we even stand a chance of winning the champions league unless 3 top-class signings are made. we may get to the quarter-final though.

Millz

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I doubt it somehow tbh i feel the league will be between Chelsea and Man City. Man Utd will finish third and take your guess for fourth place i dont feel a english team will win the C.L this year- sighning of the season will be Hazard and Player of the Year will be aguero.sorry to dissapoint but both Chelsea and Man city look way 2 strong on papaer for Man utd but we shall see. CFC

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I almost agreed until i seen aresnal 3rd?? Your a dreamer anyway wish it would come true

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How are united going to a Chelsea no name? I would say kagawa is better than ever player Chelsea have in their midfield bar hazard. Can't see madrid winning it I think last year was their big chance!

Caolán.

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So. Kagawa is going to plug up your defensive hole? Do you watch football?
Even. If he was that good, is he better than silva, Fab, ozil, iniesta, messi, ronaldo? Even Dortmund think goetze will be better.
He's a good player but is he really an improvement?
he tore up bundesliga, yup dzeko did too

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Based on current signings-

Chelski
Manchester City
Manchester Uniter
Arsenal

Champions League - Barca
Top Scorer - Aguero
Player of the year - Yaya Toure
Young Player of the year - Hazard

T0MB0Z

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No name, I think you will find that Phil jones can plug up the defensive gap. Yes I watch football but I doubt you do if Gotze is better than kagawa why was cleverly player of the season last year? I would say kagawa better than silva. Mate he tore apart bayern who were champions league finalists

Caolán.

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18 Jul 2012 02:29:18
Keep reading on the site how people are upset that we are consistently linked with wingers. Problem with that is we don't know what formation Ferguson is planning on playing. After the loss to Barcelona Ferguson was quoted as saying he aims to build a team to compete with the standard Barcelona have set. If we added more "wingers" we may be able to play a more fluid 433 or in certain scenarios a 343. similar to how Barcelona has played recently and also how Spain won the Euros. Just saying more attacking options is never a bad thing. Also by adding more wingers means Rooney won't have to cover the flanks as much which leaves him in his best area which is down the middle. Plus with Jones progressing he is going to be a future

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18 Jul 2012 00:32:11
TOMBOZ and Flimbo

Regarding my comments yesterday on Newcastle, my point was, the likes of Cabaye Ba Cisse and Tiote were not targets and never mentioned before they showed promise at Newcastle.

I too would love if we could manage to pick up such players on the cheap but they were much riskier buys When bought all over 25, compared to Chico Bebe Obertan Andersen who were all much younger.

Out of interest how do ye feel our probable budget of about £40m would be best spent?

Red Rebel

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Such players like say vidic evra ronaldo

out of the ones mentioned above i would only want cabaye at united
cisse half a good season
half a good season half a poor season dodgy knee
tiote bad passing

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I would try to sell Anderson, Chicharito and Berbatov for 20M giving me 60M and sign Sneijder, Fellaini, Van Persie, Izzaguirre and James McCarthy. I reckon that would shore up our midfield problems and replace the dead wood I moved on

Flimbo

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Assuming we actually have £40m I think we should be spending it as follows -

Lucas in for £28m (£32m max)
M'villa in for £17m (£20m max)

£46m-£52m spent

- with money being raised from the sales of Ando (£10m-£12m) and Berbatov (£5m-£8m).

In the best case scenario we'd have around £14m left over to spend on a new left back (unfortunately Baines seems to be the most logical signing there). In the worst we'd have signed two quality players who would strengthen our team massively and have to rely on Evra for another season (or push Evans out to the left once he's back from injury). Either works for me.

I have a feeling however that we'll be signing Baines and maybe Lucas Moura if a deal can be struck.

T0MB0Z

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Why would you want to sell Hernandez?

Gar

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And with all of those signings Flimbo what would your starting line up be? There's too many changes.

RedDevil19

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Gar

The answer is obvious, I don't think Hernandez is as good as his first season would portray, I'd actually go as far to say that we might have seen the best of him already although obviously I would rather be wrong

RedDevil19

As I said before I really cant stand those underscore format teams that deluded Fifa addicts constantly post on the site so I'm obviously not gonna post one but if you think about it you I don't need to as the players I've suggested selling are not in SAF starting 11 anyway, Berba is gone, Chich is behind Welbeck and Rooney in the pecking order and Anderson is..well...Anderson, so selling those 3 doesn't impact the our best starting 11 in the slightest

It does however have an affect on our 2nd string players, and those new players would do more than just upgrade our squad, they are all capable to getting into our current starting 11 which creates great competition for places therefore increasing our performances and giving us a much better chance to win trophies.

Can you seriously tell me that our team would be no better if we sold those 3 subs and signed Sneijder - whose as good as Scholes on his day, Van Persie - whose as good as Rooney not to mention better than Welbeck or Chich will ever be, Fellaini who is a very consistent performer and well used to the hustle and bustle of the PL and a much better fit to the position that Anderson is forced to play in as he didn't live up to the potential he promised in the position we signed him for (left wing) and then Izzaguirre is a good solid LB with plenty of promise who would learn well from Evra and then you have James McCarthy who could become an absolutely fantastic engine in the midfield if he can match his potential - Are you really going to tell me we would be better off sticking with what we currently have? If so then I don't think I'll be able to take your posts seriously anymore

Flimbo

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17 Jul 2012 23:58:31
If Im being honest i doubt Fergie will sign Moura. Reports of a 30 million and up to a 38 million bid! Hazard didnt cost that much and i think he is better the Moura. Fergie Knows the team need investment in other area's. Plus Kagawa is a CAM so i dont see why we would buy another when we have plenty of CAM's and Wingers.
I just dont see it happening. M'villa and Izaguirre would be nice tho and cheaper then 38 Million!
James

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I'd say that Moura looks the better player of the two by some distance (as well as being 2 years younger) - but his lack of European football makes him a little riskier as a signing.

T0MB0Z

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Moura is better than hazard IMO. Moura is better than ronaldo and hazard at 19 and IMO better than messi at 19. I never had the pleasure off seeing George best (r.i.p) play but my grandfather saw him every week, I showed him clips and he said they play such a similar game and moura could be as good.

Caolán.

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He doesn't have much of a finished product and he may seem strong in the Brazilian league but the EPL is tougher and i honestly dont think United will be willing to part with over 40 million (Reports stating Sao Paulo have rejected another bid) They want so much because he gets 20% of the overall transfer. (His stake in it rises August 1st to 30%) Claims the daily mail anyway! I just doubt Fergie will spend so much on one player to fill a position we already have lots of competition for. That is unless he is planning on shipping someone out! Will be interesting to see how it all develops anyway!
James

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If it true that united wanted hazard and rodriguez then that would make moura third choice in fergys eyes
jred

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The price is in Euros. The latest bid was below the price Chelsea paid for Hazard.

JJR

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Our apparent offer for moura was 38 million euros!! That is just under 30 million pounds! So even it we went up to 40 mill euros which I think they are asking for that is about 31.5 mill pounds so it is less than hazard.

REDP

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Saf wants moura because he is 19 and he can be taught and trained the united way

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17 Jul 2012 23:26:38
Although I'd love us to sign Moura...

Anybody else find it highly suspect that we're apparently willing to splash £30m+ on a 19 year old, when we wouldn't splash the cash to keep Pogba at the club?

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Moura > Pogba.

I think the whole Pogba situation was about principal rather than money. If we offered him a big pro contract all of the youth players would expect one...

T0MB0Z

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Pogba left on his own accord at 19 he is making over 20,000 a week. The club offered him what he should have been on. He's just got an agent who want to make a quick quid.

Caolán.

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Maybe we could gamble on Eriksen for 20m rather than 35m for Lucas?

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Perhaps we could - although the payout would be five times as much with Lucas were both bets to come in!

T0MB0Z

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