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18 Jul 2013 23:37:43
Are united bidding for players that are unavailable on purpose so that they can say "no value in the market" again?
Did Ewar Woowar fly hoe early because he thought he'd left the light on in the boardroom?
Do something big please.
Pedroknight
18 Jul 2013 23:26:57
Moyes has confirmed that we made a bid for fabergas
Jred
18 Jul 2013 23:14:17
18 Jul 2013 22:28:11
Hi, first time poster long time reader. With all the talk of Rooney leaving, it baffles me how with the amount of goals that he has scored for united, the amount of money being talked about is shockingly low. how can Torres go for £50 million and Rooney only rumoured to be £25 million
Lets not forget how good Torres was at Liverpool. 3 years ago Rooney and his form would have justified a Ronaldo like fee. Same token how much would Torres go for now after a couple of poor seasons as it would be nowhere near £50m
Invisible STuey
18 Jul 2013 23:10:52
Marca reporting Fabregas missing for
Barcelona first training session?
18 Jul 2013 22:40:22
Came across this beauty while browsing the net ( might make some Rooney fans mad ) :
Top 10 things that anger and confuse Wayne Rooney :
1- Shoe Laces
2- The sun ( both the newspaper and the life giving ball of burning energy )
3-How spongebob still has a job
4-How clocks know which way to spin
5-Who feeds the nice lady in the car that tells him how to get to work everyday
6-Celine Dion
7-Who replaces the water in his fridge with ice cubes
8-Archimedes' buoyancy principle
9-Nani
10-Ping pong paddles
Mick
P. S : i'm a rooney fan myself
19 Jul 2013 08:10:43
Not a Rooney fan but its not funny.
18 Jul 2013 22:36:01
I don't get what is with all this hatred towards the glaziers. Without them we wouldn't have any windows to keep us warm in the winter.
MEF
18 Jul 2013 22:31:24
Eriksen lamela matic would make us competitive in England and abroad.
Anderson nani Rooney sold would mean an outlay of only 20m
Matic is not as good as people make him out to be, not even better than Garcia. Eriksen is beeing linked to Liverpool and Dortmund opted for Mkhtiryan ( or something) ahead of him. Neither are good enough imo.
Lamela on the other hand, is a worldclass talent.
Mick
18 Jul 2013 22:28:11
Hi, first time poster long time reader. With all the talk of Rooney leaving, it baffles me how with the amount of goals that he has scored for united, the amount of money being talked about is shockingly low. how can Torres go for £50 million and Rooney only rumoured to be £25 million
Ty0301
18 Jul 2013 22:28:05
When people say we can't sign the stars. Do they forget kagawa and a certain Robin Van Persie just last year! Get a grip. Have faith.
Nozzla
Rooney over rated with united and England let him go bad influence on younger players London will destroy him to much fast food. Jose very clever
Stating any player playing second fiddle
With world cup coming up! Nice1 this can be said off at least 200 players :)
Rooney isn't united and we will show him.
Kagawa star have word with u sen
Kagawa was the bundesligas top player, the same league that was the strongest in Europe last year. Have a word with yourself no name.
Snakey
Yes very true Jose is very clever stating what he did about secon choice players at clubs being in trouble going to the world cup. So half of the Chelsea squad will be handing transfer requests in very soon. Is dave going to want play second fiddle to Ivanovic, Demba Ba or Torres aren't going to play regularly. Josr will bring Terry back in so sideshow Bob and Cahill might suffer and not all his midfielders can play every week. so well done Jose you have just told half of your squaf they won't be going to the world cup. happy happy dressing room.
Bazza
18 Jul 2013 22:20:21
Please guys I understand the frustration at no signings yet but the window is open for another 6 weeks yet and who has City or Chelsea signed that we would have gone for realistically. Let's just get behind Moyes and the players we do have instead of slating one another!
Anyway.
Ed Woodward would have landed at some point today so next few days could be key. If its Cesc then fantastic but if it's Garay, Baines, Fellaini welcome to Manchester and thanks for improving our squad I say!
Welsh Red
18 Jul 2013 22:09:21
So city will have jovetic, aguero, dzeko and negredo while we have rvp, welbeck and Hernandez with Rooney leaving. Well let's hope rvp can stay fit to say the least!
So very true.
Nomidfield
18 Jul 2013 22:04:47
Have to say City have made a very good signing in Jovetic. 2-3 years ago he was may fave player, but he got injured and stagnated slightly. This past season he has come on leaps and bounds. A very good signing for City, better than the last few. What I will say though is we have our very own Jovetic in Adnan Januzaj. Very similar players IMO, but Jovetic has a better scoring tally. In a couple of years Jovetic and Adnan will be very similar players.
Sydney!
Sydney!
I think it's hard to judge anyone coming out of Serie A because the standard there is really quite low at the moment. I agree Jovetic is a good player, but I think his injury has affected him more than is currently apparent. Other teams (including Madrid and Munich) have 'passed' on him in the last couple of years.
Him and Adem Ljajić have been fantastic this season. If it weren't for the fact that our pulling out of the deal to sign Ljajić destroyed him emotionally; I'd have liked to have seen us snap them both up given how well they played together at times.
redseven
Poor januzaj every thing going great then he gets the Sydney kiss of death
Jred
Haha Jred, that tickled me. It's like the commentator's kiss of death only affects your whole career (only messing Syd!)
HB
LOL, Jred is correct. Every time I mention a youth player something disappointing happens IE Ravel, Pogba, Daehli & the Brazilians. I should put him down instead ;)
Sydney!
18 Jul 2013 22:03:23
Jose the Master of Mind Games is back, at his best!
Schoolboy chat - not worthy of praise - if that's the best he's got then not so special
18 Jul 2013 22:03:01
There seems to be a lot of tension over our current lack of transfer activity. Personally I think this is a good thing. To me it shows Moyes is being his own man and going for his own targets rather than just following through with the deals Sir Alex wanted. Players like Strootman and Garay appear to be Sir Alex's targets and we seem to have cooled on them since Moyes took over.
So now were left with trying to work out who we will go for. Now seeing as we don't know what formation Moyes will look to play or his tactics it will be impossible to second guess transfers by looking at certain positions. So we would do better to look at less specific areas of the team and look for elements that are missing from our current squad.
Now we might not be able to second guess Moyes' exact tactic's but we do know abit about him and what principals he looks to have within his team.
Sir Alex for example was a striker in his playing days, so he always had a perchant for strikers. He also like to use a more gung ho approach based on attacikng teams.
Pep Guardiola was a midfielder and as such built his Barca team around the midfield. He uses that as his key referance point, then builds from there.
Managers have a tendancy to start with what they know best.
Now Moyes was a defender, and as such I would expect him to build from the back. He based his teams around the ability to defend in numbers and all his players have a certain ruggedness to them.
So if we look at the current team we should be able to uses the facts we know to give us a rough idea of what we could expect from this transfer window.
In Goal we have know problems. DDG is a clear first choice and either Lindegaard or Amos are able deputies for him.
In defence there seems to be several question marks. Right back is sorted, Rafael is first choice with Fabio Vermijl and Varela all options to cover.
centre back seems to have a question mark over it. We have six players for two places with Rio, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Jones and M. Keane. But with Rio and Vidic getting older and having niggling injuries there is a real lack of experianced cover. This is probably why Garay has been considered. But it appears Moyes isn't as kean on him as Sir Alex was as there seems to have been a real hold up with a deal that seemed so certain only a month ago. So we may or may not see an experianced player come in here. Personally if we were to sign someone i'd have prefered Mehdi Benatia, but he's since joined Roma.
Left back is an interesting issue. Certainly after Evra's much improved season last year a new left back doesn't feel quite as urgent. But he is getting on. But we have Fabio and Buttner as decent options. And with Evra being such a big character in the dressing room an arguement could be made to keep him for another year to lessen the upheaval. I personally would keep Evra for another year, Loan out Buttner to a decent Prem team and Keep Fabio as cover. Then sign a young up and coming LB such as Alberto Moreno. But I wouldn't be suprised to see Evra make way for Baines.
So that's the defence sorted. midfield looks like it could be interesting. First things first Moyes will want a midfield enforcer to come in. We currently have no one of that ilk at the club. Now there is a long list of potential targets in this role ranging from Fellaini, Gonalons, Lars Bender, Kondogbia, Schneiderlin, Capoue, Romulo and Gustavo.
Personally my three favorites are Morgan Schneiderlin as he has prem experiance, Romulo as he looks a future star and is the perfect modern achor man. And Luiz Gustavo who is probably the best option. But again Fellaini looks most likely atm.
But who else to sign for a midfield birth depends on what Moyes wants to do with the tactics of the team. He will want someone who is more attack minded, but that could be someone who sits deep and starts attacks off, someone who charges forward with the ball to force attacking plays, or someone who plays further forward and breaks into the box to sweep the ball home. Two of the best young attack mind midfielders have already moved else where this summer in Thiago Alcantara and Marco Van Ginkel. Cesc Fabregas seems the flavour of the month atm. But there are other options such as Modric, Ander Herrera, Pjanic, Guarin and Kroos. All of which could be available.
But the player i'd like to see if Fabregas is unavailable is Koke. He has it all and will be a future star. He has a great engine on him and never stops running, his vision is suberb and his passing and technique is what you have come to expect from a young Spanish player. And he isn't afraid to get stuck in, although he's far from a beast such as Fellaini. But he does do his fair share of defensive work.
This leaves us with the attack. Now this really is an unknow quantity. None of us have even the slightest clue what Moyes has in store here. It looks like Rooney is on his way out though and we will need another attack minded player to replace him. But that could be a striker, a winger or an attacking midfielder. It would be good to see someone with that unpredictable quality. Now Ronaldo is the dream and an unlikely one. Bale is also high on everyones wanted list, but he seems almost as unavailable. James Rodriguez has gone to Monaco and Lewandowski only has eyes for Munich. Reus would be at the top of my wish list but he wants to stay at Dortmund foe another year and Dortmund would be very reluctant to let him go after losing Gotze and with Lewandowski seemiingly heading out the door either this summer or next. Alexis Sanchez is a possibility but in truth isn't that much better than what we have. Jovetic could be an option but it would mean a battle with City, plus the lad is alittle injury prone.
No the player I would turn to as a replacement for Rooney would be Stephen El Shaarawy. This lad is class, he would cost abit but would be worth every penny. AC Milan also haven't totally ruled out selling him. But what Moyes will do will be a complete mystery.
I'd love to see a summer where we have Alberto Moreno, Luiz Gustavo, Koke and Stephen El Shaarawy all join with Nani, Rooney and Anderson leaving.
I think moyes will buy a cb and play Jones in midfield.
I know a lot will disagree but I'm not sure where kagawa fits in to a moyes team.
Now that's not a dig at kags as I rate him but I'm not sure how he fits in to a moyes team.
As you said moyes will build from the back or as all my Everton friends say "his a defensive manager" which again isn't a dig I think Jose has the same attitude and I'm a big fan of his.
But I think all players will have to put a shift in especially the one that plays in the hole as he will be expected to drop in to a midfield 3 and I'm not sure kags is the type moyes will go for.
Now I'm not saying you need to be a fellani type but Wilshire and fabergas are both good in the tackle I'm not sure kags is.
He may play him out wide but again I think moyes will go more for a wide man as opposed to kags who I class as an attacking cm.
like I say I'm a fan of kags he done well for BD but I'm not sure his style will fit moyes or the EPL
Jred
Moreno is an interesting choice. Just got off a fantastic season at Sevilla and was their only reason for optimism. Quite young too. Very attack minded and technically great. A defensive midfielder would be a must if we had Rafael and Moreno bombing up and down the flanks but on the other hand we wouldn't need wingers.
Koke is fantastic, can operate as an attack minded midfielder or a central one.
Luis Gustavo is a beast, too good for the bench, kind of like Chicha here and would be great. He has shown what he is capable of in Brasil's nt.
Now for the little disagreement. I watch Italian football quite often and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt El Shaarawy is the most overrated player since, well, Quaresma. At the beginning of the season he was scoring a lot of goals but since Balotelli came and he wasn't the focal point of the attack, he scored a goal in 5 months. And apart from very good finishing, he's quite limited as a player. He is fast and direct and has a decent set of skills, but that's it. His passing, hold-up, vision and all around ability is very limited. I'd much rather have Lamela, who is just as young, same goal per game ratio, better passing, better vision, better dribbling, better delivery,. Well he's just better. He only lacks in pace but that's not much of a problem since Kagawa and hopefully Draxler will be playing in the remaining attacking midfield births.
Mick
(Of course)
Shappy, you have far too much time on your hands mate, get a grip lad
Chris Gurner
18 Jul 2013 23:50:19
I too have that worry Jred. my hope comes from him also playing Cahill, Osman and Arteta there at different points so maybe there is some hope for Kagawa.
Mick, i'll be honest I only watched El Shaararwy on a regular basis up until january at which point I got bored of Serie A. Its not the first time in recent years that i've lost interest in Italian football half way through the season. Like you said up until that point El Shaararwy was ripping it up. I caught a couple of his games since and although he wasn't as brilliant I put that down to burn out as he is still only 20 and it was his first proper season at a top club.
I like Lamela and I think he is a top top player, but personally I look at an attacking line up that includes RvP and Kagawa and think we could do with someone who is direct and has lots of pace to compliment the vision and technicallity of Kagawa and RvP. This is why I like El Shaararwy, his direct and fast paced attacking ability would suit the others very well, add to the fact that he actually prefers to start out wide and work in I feel he would blend well with what we have. Nani/Zaha, Kagawa and El Shaararwy behind RvP looks very good to me.
Like I said Bale Ronaldo and Reus would all be higher on my list but they are unavailable. Viktor Fischer would also feature high on my list but I think he is a year or two away from being ready for a club like ours.
Shappy it would of saved all that typing if you just said moyes will buy half the everton squad :)
johndenton
I know with Lamela, Kag and RVp we wouldn't have the fastest attack in the league, that's why I added Draxler to my wishlist. This season Lamela wasnt as fast as he used to be but if I recall correctly he was out for 9 months beforehand with ligament damage, and has been gradually regaining pace and atm he is no slower than the likes of Mata and Fabregas.
And if we are in need of pace in a game, we can always play Ferdinand. On a serious note, Valencia does not lack in the pace department, neither does Nani, and Zaha is fast as he**. But the vision, technicality and link up play that a Kagawa-Lamela partnership would have is mind blowing. Let's not forget the kid is Totti's heir according to Roma fans. There is no bigger compliment.
Mick
As a footnote, we might find one of our more attack minded youngsters may get a chance and seize it.
18 Jul 2013 21:47:20
Right this is the first time I have ever ventured away from the everton page but was wondering what you guys where chatting regards Rooney and Moyes,
I hope you have found the latter to be a dithering man in the transfer market expect your big signing on the last day of the window ( he thinks this endears him to the fans)
What do you guys think of swopping rooney for r fellaini? think both partys would be happy ( as long as you pay rooney wages cause were skint)
Any way I won't come back so no abuse please take it easy,
Good luck for the season.
Moyes has so far failed to impress - but it's very early days yet. If all of our deals happen late I'll be a little frustrated quite simply because it will decrease the amount of time new signings will have to gel with the current squad as well as decrease our chances of signing top talent (as they're likely to have all moved elsewhere).
I'd like to see Rooney stay - but there's no way he can now. The club have dic*ed him around too much, to the point where keeping him would be pointless. I don't see him moving anywhere but Chelsea although I suppose if Arsenal put in a bid we may look to move him there instead.
redseven
We'd be crazy, that's what I think lol
18 Jul 2013 21:19:25
That's it, this is ridiculous, Citeh have just signed Jovetic. Moyes hasn't even signed anyone. He's rubbish. Muppet. Moyes out. Moyes out. How will we even compete with Southampton. Eeeeek.
(For the slower amongst you this post was laced with sarcasm - just to save you from the inevitable misinterpretation!)
18 Jul 2013 22:14:31
No you're wrong, he did sign some autographs last week. Sorry to ruin that story ;-)
Steve Round
F*ck me! The over reaction in here sometimes is simply astonishing. Some fans will whine about anything. I stopped reading at Eeeeek, couldn't take any more of it ;-)
Brendan81
It's not Southampton I'm worried about. It's Norwich; after all they've signed a striker who could have replaced Rooney in van Wolfswinkel, the midfielder we need in Leroy Fer and a replacement for Evra in Martin olsson.
MEF
*Sarcasm*
It winds me up, Dodgy. This is all down to a website turning people's brains to mush. I'll judge where everyone is at the end of the transfer window. No-one else has done any particularly amazing business in the Premier League so far, despite the amount of money being thrown around - certainly no-one's brought in any game-changers.
However, to stay with the tone of your original post.
I'll be gutted if we don't get Bale, Ronaldo, Fabregas and Lewandowski. That's the bare minimum we need to avoid relegation next season, after last season all went so horribly wrong.
How long before we put a add in the paper for mid field players a red united fan
18 Jul 2013 21:18:27
Utd have missed out on three promising players bruno gomes, wellington bueno (regarded as next kaka) and lucas evangelista. All of them are regarded very highly in their country.
Sid
Sid, I'm highly regarded in my town does that mean UTD should sign me?
RRED7
I'm very highly regarded in my own head. Does that count?
Bruno gomes scored 7 goals in a match and is regarded as one of the promising striker from brazil and bueno is regarded as next kaka. All of them were on trial for united and impressed. We could sign them because them being under 18 and anways we are still intrested in signing gomes but he has ownership issues. All of them have potential to become good players. Just see some of the tweets from gomes and u wil realise hw badly he wanted to join us and become premier league top scorer and he rejected advances of many clubs to play 4 us. Because he freams 2 play for utd and we want that kind of players nt money grabing.
Sid
Gd to know!
18 Jul 2013 21:17:22
I'm living in soith africa and watched city play amazulu, there squad depth doesn't match united, with a couple of smart additions to united then I can see us retaining prem more comfortably come end season
ADA
Have you seen ours?
18 Jul 2013 21:06:29
Lets be realistic. The only teams who have signed anyone of any clout are the money teams in our league. City look like they are trying to buy the league again. Chelsea are just picking off who they like and upsetting apple carts across the market. The rest of the EPL holds no attraction for the elite players outside of money from those teams already mentioned.
I know it is DM's first season but I am not looking forward to a battle with Spurs, Arse and the scousers for fourth place. Sounds very negative but I feel the times have turned as expected when SAF stepped down, even if still in the wings. I'm not one of the massive anti Glazier campaigners but feel they can't deliver competitive financial backing at the same rate as our competition. Does anyone know any Arabs?
Mick, go and find another club to follow.
RRED7
RRED7, that's a bit harsh.
Mick
RRED7 I have followed Utd since 1975 so you know what u can go and do to yourself!
18 Jul 2013 21:04:17
With city now expected to sign another 2 strikers today, and Chelsea seemingly keen to recruit Rooney, I can only worry about United's lack of activity In the transfer window I for one hope we start seeing a few world class players arrive
If you that there is any possibility that Liverpool will sell Suarez to Manchester United then you have lost touch with reality.
18 Jul 2013 20:16:33
what do all true mancs think about a bid for suarez. modern day striker yet to reach prime plenty of goals links up play well. there will have to be a lot of forgive and forget involved on utd side. but to get the best sides you maybe need someone with that temprement ie cantona
I think the odds against it are 50/1 for a reason ;-)
Red Spark
Honestly. I'd rather finish 4th without him than 1st with him! Any other player in the world but him regardless of how good he is! I'd prefer Barton!
Fred the red
18 Jul 2013 20:00:04
Sly reporting Fiorentina agreed a deal with s***ty for the transfer of jovetic. United are getting left behind here come on quick pop Woodward.
Why, on earth, would we want Jovetic? More a fabrication than a rumour!
Tbh we don't need him.
TRUMORS
And Liverpool signed Mignolet. So what?
Overrated, overpriced and we had no interest in him.
I just don't get why people are so fussed about who City buy. Fernandinho, Navas, Negredo and Jovetic are very good players but hardly world class and yet City spent over 100 million on them. I hope they go buy Walcott for 50 mils for all I care as long as we sign the players we need.
Frankly I would be more worried about Chelsea. They are a striker and a central defender away from beeing one of the proverbial big dogs in Europe
Mick
18 Jul 2013 19:48:30
Ed woodwards comes back supposedly to sort out urgent business and we presume its bale or fabregas but does anybody think it could be to speak to jovetic? If rooney is a cert to leave then maybe jovetic could be a target.
Iv heard his agent is currently talking to citeh so could this be the urgency of woodwards return?
Jovetic is versatile and can play as a striker, in the hole or wide left. Certainly not a huge name but wouldn't expect to be the main man and would fit in with a fluid attacking 4.
No inside info or owt just an opinion and something other to think about rather than bale or fabregas.
Thoughts anyone?
Apparently he's just joined City
His move to s***ty is agreed, well all but agreed, Fiorentina have released a statement about it, I appreciate what your saying though, its just unlucky the news broke at exactly the same time as you were posting.
Just been on sksports he's signing for man city mate
I hope not! Decent player but he'd struggle to hit a cow's ass with a banjo judging by his strike ratio ;-)
Red Spark
No he has signed for City by all accounts. Looks like Woodward has returned to seal the landmark signing of god only knows. At this rate we might sign Beckham and make Phil Neville a player coach to fill the gaps.
Just been on the news that Jovetic has agreed to join city. Why can everybody else seem to sign players at will while we dither & make it into a drama? MIDDLETON RED
Haha just seen it maybe he shouldv got an earlier flight :)
Its all down to trying to get layers on the cheap
I'll give you one guess! And its not cause they love citeh or Manchester!
You've guessed it, cause citeh give them what they want.
Nomidfield
Supposedly we met Jovetic's agent and then pulled out I imagine due to cost of agent fees and player wages
18 Jul 2013 19:45:04
Weird transfer window. Lots of big name players changing teams and I think we will get a big name signing in the next 2 weeks.
WHat worries me most is that we are not beeing linked to anymidfield enforcers. Some say there seems to be no value in the market, but there are plenty of decent names out there.
Kondogbia, Koke, Benders and Schneiderlin are all young talented players who would improve our team. Even though i'd rather get a Vidal or a khedira, it's going to be too difficult. Luis Gustavo seems like a very decent option who would improve us massively.
We also need an attackind midfielder who could operate on the wings. This is where the options become a bit less numerous.
The likes of Ronaldo, Bale and Fabregas are fantastic players ( seems unfair to list Ronaldo with anyone other than Messi but whatever ) and would be great replacements to Rooney, Fabregas is the only one who seems half likely to join us this season. And even if we get him, we'd still need a left winger who could also operate on the right in case our wingers are still shi*.
Schalke's Julian Draxler is the best option out there imo, young, supremely talented, but would cost about 40 million. Some would say he is overpriced, but who isn't? We need to pay the fees other teams are willing to in order not to get left behind. Maybe Anderson and 30 million would tempt them.
For the right wing, if Nani doesn't get a new deal, Valencia doesn't improve and Zaha is deemed not ready, Roma's Lamela is a great option. Fantastic young prospect who could operate in any of the attacking 3 slots. A front 3 of Draxler, Kagawa and Lamela has pace, vision and technical ability in abundance. Van Persie would have a field day in attack.
Just imagine a midfield of Carrick and Gustavo controling the tempo of the game with Draxler, Kagawa and Lamela causing havoc in between the lines creating chances for Van Persie and chicharito ( who would score a bucket load of goals and get more recognition ).
As for Wayne Rooney, if Chelsea come back with a bigger offer ( over 30 mils ) we should just take it and improve our team. Maybe Rooney would improve Chelsea ( well he definetly will ) but we can improve ourselves and make sure we not only challenge for the premier league, but in Europe as well.
Now a summer with Rooney, Anderson and Young/ Nani moving for about 40-50 mill, and with Gustavo, Draxler and Lamela coming in for a combined fee in the region of 100 mills would not be a bad summer, at all. What are your thoughts?
Mick
Good post mick.
I think draxler is great shout but really can't see schalke selling for less than maybe £30m but lamela would cost far less and is more probable IMO.
Schneiderlin would be a great addition too but southampton seem to have money to spend so wouldn't need to sell.
Lars bender would probably be the most available out of that kind of player other than fellaini but i'm not too sure we've ever had an interest in him (eds?).
I think in the end it will be fellaini which I wouldn't mind as long as we got a good creative midfielder too such as fabregas etc
BFA, the problem with Lamela is that he has some extremely complicated ownership issues so that would make any deal for him far more expensive, but he would be worth every penny of a 30 million fee.
I also find it weird we've never had sustained interest in Lars Bender. I do believe he is better than his brother in terms of all around ability so all in all, I would say he is the better Bender ( couldn't stop myself )
Even though Southampton are not short on cash, they would be able to identify a good deal, and i'm positive the player would like to go to one of the top teams in the country so for a decent bid ( around the 15 million mark ), they might seel especially that they just bought Wanyama and they still need a couple of additions to their defense.
I'm a bit unsure about him. Him and Carrick in midfield would be solid but they both lack in pace, so we would be vulnerable to quick counterattacks. And while he doesn't lack in the strength department, he is not the most intelligent of footballers and his positioning is pathethic. All in all he would make a very good midfielder, but we need better imo.
Mick
I'm a big fan of draxler but has he not just signed a new deal
Jred
He has but he said 2 weeks ago that he would be tempted by Barcelona, Real Madrid and manchester United.
Mick
Mick
If that's the case you never know
I would be very happy if we got him I think he could well be the next big thing
Jred
18 Jul 2013 19:22:53
A deal for fabregas has got to be near
a lot of people are posting its a joke (cheekyblue)
but a lot of bids go on that we the fans
never get to know about but when they
are made public its only the selling club
asking for more cash. Spurs are the
masters at it. don't forget Barca have
massive debts and need to get some
cash in from the Neymar deal
So joke about it just remember BFRO SAID
IT WILL HAPPEN
You certainly are sticking your neck on the line with this statement. However, I think the main target at the moment is indeed Cesc Fabregas.
18 Jul 2013 18:59:46
Let me bring us up to scratch.
So ed Woodward has bin sent back to do deals. The signing of garay will be announced anytime tomoz. He has come back to speak to Rooney. Garay will be the cover up. Fabregas is available but for a fee where not willing to match just yet. Bale is a dream,, he is happy to play 1 more season then move to Madrid. Fellani is a maybe, baines is the number 1 target, expect that 1 to be completed next. But garay is what I'm hearing
Marm
12 Jul 2013 17:59:41
Ed04 its been long since we heard from you. You were the one who kept mentioning how good strootman is and how signing thiago, strootman, baines and garay can massively improve our squad. Now whn strootman and thiago is looking unlikely who do you think can improve our midfiled and can u shed some light on who u think moyes is trying to sign.
Sid {Ed004's Note - I'm gutted we didn't sign either of those players and both seemed highly likely. Now I'm hoping for one of De Rossi, Bender or Vidal along with one of Gundogan, Fabregas and Modric}
Is that likely though ed?
Brendan81 {Ed004's Note - no}
Good to have you back Ed004, hope you enjoyed your hols. {Ed004's Note - Yeah was good nice we break away from Bond}
Ed004, that's the wrong answer :-)
Brendan81
Great to see you back ed004
Ed004 De Rossi is for sale I think he would be perfect do you know if any other teams are interested in him?
Jazz
Roma have signed strootman may be to replace de rossi. I think if he leaves chelsea wil sign him
Sid
The reports I saw about de rossi to Chelsea quoted £11 million. for that money what is there to think about?
18 Jul 2013 18:28:35
Let me bring us up to scratch.
So ed Woodward has bin sent back to do deals. The signing of garay will be announced anytime tomoz. He has come back to speak to Rooney. Garay will be the cover up. Fabregas is available but for a fee where not willing to match just yet. Bale is a dream,, he is happy to play 1 more season then move to Madrid. Fellani is a maybe, baines is the number 1 target, expect that 1 to be completed next. But garay is what I'm hearing
Marm
18 Jul 2013 17:44:50
A man was arrested in Mossley today after driving around town with a megaphone chanting 'when I say Rooney, you say c**t'
Regardless of the situation at the moment this made me smile, almost as funny as the fan who rang 999 at Nani's red card.
Ha, I don't think fans would forgive Rooney even if he stays in Man United.
18 Jul 2013 17:00:18
hey guys please post the fantasy league codes so that I can join
The code for Football Rumours Super League 2013/14 is:
15522-6942
Get crackin' ;)
TK-Red
Where do you get into this fantasy league
18 Jul 2013 16:35:58
We're not getting Bale, Fabregas or Ronaldo.
More than likely will end up with Garay, Baines and Fellaini.
Jamie
18 Jul 2013 16:26:21
Getting fed up of all those fake bids!
Man utd can't buy quality players which is sad!
No players yet bought at one month of the big kick off is worrying!
A True red fan
Not so much. no players one day before deadline perhaps more so
Yes deadline day is the real end but seriously still why take so effing long to pull out fingers out as usual
Well the club are making bids weather they are serious bids remains to be seen but come September you would not be able to fault them for trying, wel that's what they want you to believe
18 Jul 2013 16:24:01
Higuain has just said Mourinho wants him at Chelsea have they moved on from Rooney already?
Manres
18 Jul 2013 15:48:39
Ronaldo's house in Alderley Edge, Cheshire, has gone up for sale for 3. 75 million pounds. So he's not "coming home" as it were.
Bruce Steve
Thanks for the info, I think I'll book a viewing!
Didnt he sell his house in Madrid about a month ago, which meant he was definitely coming home! Poor bloke, homeletvess is not a joke.
18 Jul 2013 15:32:30
Actually, Rooney deserves to be sold. He isn't showing any signs to become better, last season it showed clearly that Rooney lost his explosiveness, He was always getting dispossessed and lacked pace. I think Rooney is passed his prime. His attitude last season made Sir Alex bench him at very important matches. For Example Real Madrid, Rooney last season was overweight and not fit. RVP's attitude towards fitness was very key to his outstanding performance, we need hardworking players and not lazy players like Rooney.
Rooney cannot be bigger than the club so if he wants to go we should sell him off immediately, the money we get from his sale, we can use to buy a very good player like Mata, Bale, Gustavo etc
How quickly people forget. how fickle fans are. tell me Alamin, who would you say is utds hardest working player for the last five seasons?
That would probably have to be park ji sung for the last five seasons, even if he wasn't here for the last one.
United we Stand
Ok. fine Andrew, its Rooney but he currently isn't happy at his role at the club, so why keep him, why keep a Rooney who is passed his prime.
Why not invest in other young word class players?.
Agree let's invest in world class talent we can dream I suppose
Do u honestly think Rooney is past his prime? You are joking aren't you?
Well why don't we just sell him to Chelsea, just to please a lot of united fans (who seem to have forgotten his achievements) then, let's just sit and enjoy watching him and Chelsea tear the league apart, including our beloved united.
Nani, Valencia and young had four goals between them. Valencia was pathetic, and nani is worse. As for young, there are no words to describe him.
But do we hear fans crying for them to be sold.
Nomidfield
Because the young world class players don't seem to be queuing up to come united FACT
18 Jul 2013 15:12:23
In the last hour a number of media outlets are now saying that Woodward's return home is to 'close the Fabregas deal' and nothing else.
I'm not sure about this to be honest, I would love to see it happen. But I can't help but think that we are all going to be disappointed when they announce a less thrilling signing, namely - Garay.
A Bale deal would be better.
I can't see him rushing back from australia to tie up a deal that should go smoothly without him needing to be in the country (garay), that's just my opinion though.
phil
Phil,
Completely agree with you. A big signing hopefully
Mad Hatter
Bale or Fabregas seem the most likely since a deal Garay would not need to much work to complete, whereas any deal for either Fabregas or Bale would demand huge amounts of time and effort. Either Bale or Fabregas would be great, but I think Vidal would be the perfect signing.
Forget bale. not going to happen
Chelsea announce a Rooney bid was made, and all of the sudden Woodward is off to Manchester. I think it's quite clear
Mick
18 Jul 2013 15:10:22
if we do get him, I can see bale starting on the team sheet as a left winger with kagawa in the hole behind rvp but during the match bale would have complete freedom as kagawa can drift out wide and even rvp could drop back, valencia would be the only real static position but if zaha starts getting more games we would have a very fluid and dangerously quick attacking line up, imo we would be far more dangerous than if rooney was in the team
add a goal scoring midfielder and an enforcer (to eventually replace carrick) and we will really have a strong team for the future, with garay coming to replace rio (retiring end of season), jones will replace vidic (although think jones should play in midfield) smalling and evans as back up, varela as back up for raffael, and buttner as back up for baines, fabio most likely being sold. de gea between the sticks and we have a squad still quite young but experienced in winning.
if we can't get bale I think we should move for gaitan, but the only reasons bale might not come is if madrid come in or levy demands to much.
i think our future success will come dwn to who comes in midfield, fabrigas, I feel is not strong enough to boss the midfield, yes he is a good player and I would welcome him here but I still remember how arsenal could get overrun in the middle and think modric would be a much better option (if we can get him) as he would suit the deeper position better whilst not being the biggest he is still great at keeping the ball.
as for the enforcer role I have no idea, strootman seemed perfect but is apparently off to roma
Dags, Fabregas would be perfect for United as part of a central 3. Carrick, Fabregas, Fellaini would be a great midfield, with a lot of strength, great passing and great vision. Carrick and Fellaini would protect the back 4 superbly and Carrick and Fabregas would allow the front 3 to have field day. I would prefer Vidal to Fellaini but Fellaini would be a very effective signing himself.
18 Jul 2013 07:19:06
007, what are the chances of United signing Bale? This summer or at any point in the future even? {Ed007's Note - None.}
Be careful Bond, you can never be absolutely certain, although I agree Bale is unlikely.
Stop sitting on the fence Ed007!
I agree with Gilly, the Bale deal is unlikely mostly because of the cost it would take to get him
18 Jul 2013 14:22:29
This website is so funny, Everybodies opinion on the Rooney subject is different. Some think he has been a terrific servant and doesn't deserve the way he is being treated. Others think he has held the club ransom and is just after money.
I think the club have acted strangely in dealing with the situation. Rooney in form is great but nobody can deny he has lost some of his spark and ability. He was played out of position for necessity. This frustrated him, Welbeck playing ahead of him against Madrid must have hurt but for some players it would have been a kick up the back side to pull up their socks and get back to hard work.
His agent may have been involved and tried to get him a better deal but Ultimately this has come back to bite him. He wants a new deal and is very unlikely to accept lower wages because he believes what he has done for the club in the past is enough. He is earning quite frankly way to much for a player who has developed an attitude and wants to be the main striker yet he is not displaying any of the attributes or Form needed to do so.
I would keep him if he stopped acting like a brat and pulled his socks up then discuss a new deal next year if he has pulled his finger out. if not I think it may be time to say goodbye to someone who has done a lot for the club but has showed a lot of disrespect to the club and us fans. I hope this gets resolved soon as i'd like our summer focused on improving the team rather than losing one player.
Welbeck deserved to start against Madrid, As we couldn't rely on an unfit Rooney
Alamin, Welbeck is a decent player but he scores so few goals. The reason he played was because he stopped Alonso influencing the game too much. However, Rooney works just as hard as Welbeck and scores so many more goals. The reason Welbeck played was Ferguson wanted to get his own back on Rooney.
Gilly, think of it, if Wayne Rooney was actually playing very well before the game against Madrid, don't you think Ferguson would have definitely started him.
If Rooney was playing very well before the Madrid game and Fergie didn't start him, that's when we can judge that Fergie wanted to get his own back on Rooney.
Rooney had scored more goals leading up to that match than a certain Robin Van Persie. Obviously RvP played because he had played so well throughout the season, but Rooney had been far better than Welbeck all season.
18 Jul 2013 14:18:27
Why aren't united looking at a totally different option for our midfield? Someone like Marek Hamsik? 13 goals and 23 assists for club and country last year. 'Arry comparing him to Lampard.
Would be left of field but why not, he could be just the player we need.
This is just my 2c mind you.
Marek Hamsik would cost a hell of a lot. Napoli would not sell cheap I would imagine they would expect £30m + for him and he is not worth anywhere near that in a poor league.
I think Nomidfield and Ross we shouldn't defend Rooney. One of the best manager of the football is after Rooney and we are still moaning he is not that good.
With this team, I don't think we will win title. Unless some world class players will be signed, we will miss Rooney!
Agree rooney goes and will struggle to make top four
18 Jul 2013 14:04:08
Most people on here are saying that Rooney is at fat lump, overpaid, past his prime. You haven't got a clue go and watch him live and see his work rate of the ball.
I don't think he had a bad season last year playing out of position. I didn't hear no one crying when RVP went 10 games without scoring.
Also saying he's been bad for the last 3 years didn't he score 30 goals the season before last 1 behind RVP.
Now your crying that we don't want to sell to another English club, but he's a overweight, Overpaid, past his prime shrek
Ross
Last season he was a overweight and based on last season he is overpaid. And baring in mind he reached his peak in 2009/10 and has never come close to finding it, I would say he is past his prime.
Sydney!
Well said Ross. Too many people have very short memories. The season before last Rooney scored 34 goals in 44 games, meaning Rooney has scored 52 goals in 80 in the last two seasons. Yet so many people think he has played poorly.
I also agree that he does work very hard off the ball. Even this last season he tracked back and tackled very regularly. A lot of the abuse Rooney gets is that he has not reached his potential, which I agree with in part; he has only fully reached his potential in two seasons, but he has performed very well in almost every other season.
Totally agree Ross, if anyone can give me a name of a player that contributes as much as Rooney and would only cost £25m then I'm waiting to hear it.
I've been asking for weeks!
All we hear is people wanting him gone and even they don't know why they're saying it.
Nomidfield
Agreed Ross
Apart from last season Rooney has been brilliant for us every season.
Considering his "TERRIBLE" season last year he still managed to create more assists than anyone in the man united team and finish second top goal scorer behing RVP plus he was played out of position most of the season and had injury problems.
Not bad really is he?
Simmo
Simmo - Nobody is saying he is an awful player at all. Everyone acknowledges what he has done but there is a point where you have to draw a line in the sand and say he is not bigger than the club and deserves to be sold. He does not want to be here and is not putting in a 100% and turning up to pre season overweight etc.
I think Nomidfield and Ross we shouldn't defend Rooney. One of the best manager of the football is after Rooney and we are still moaning he is not that good.
With this team, I don't think we will win title. Unless some world class players will be signed, we will miss Rooney!
No name, you say no player is bigger than the club. I agree, but also I think success is more important than image. With Rooney, we have a better team, and we have a better chance of success, since Rooney is a very good player. For that reason I hope we keep Rooney.
18 Jul 2013 14:03:42
I don't believe Bale will sign, He is happy at Spurs and is known to be a family man, He has a very young child and is unlikely to move abroad or to another part of the country, i'd say Chelsea could be the only team to tempt levy to part and keep bale happy.
The deal might be possible, depending on how Spurs is willing to collect
18 Jul 2013 13:57:49
Is anyone else thinking the United Staff are getting a little bit too obsessed with making a 'BIG' or 'STATEMENT' signing. When there are players we could buy that aren't big names but would dramatically improve our squad. Names like:
1. Luiz Gustavo
2. Erik Lamela
3. Luka Modric
4. Yohan Cabaye
5. Maruane Fellaini
My point is these are all players that would be possible and could be open to a move instead of people who don't really want to move but would be forced to by a bid so big that they would essentially be kicked out because their club wants the money.
Red Joe
You could add to the list Khadeira, Alonso, de Rossi and a couple of others who've been mentioned on this site
Given the state of our midfield and wings there are hundreds of players who would improve our first 11 - let alone our squad.
It's all well and good plucking names out of the air - but players like Yohan Cabaye are some way from being world class and are not going to help us get any closer to the rest of the big European teams.
Given that 2 of the other players you mention are not good enough for teams which are better than us already; why would we sign them if we want to become a force in Europe?
redseven
We're looking for a stellar signing that will never happen.
Cabaye is a good player but he would not take United to the next level, whereas Fabregas would improve the team massively. Same for Fellaini he would improve the side but he would not make the drastic difference where for example Vidal would. Lamela would improve the team and he would give us a very good and different option, plus at just 21 he would improve further. Modric would also improve the team but again not to the same level that Fabregas would and the same for Gustavo he would not improve the team as much as Vidal would.
I agree Red Joe.
Seems to me it was a mistake to replace both Gill and SAF in one go.
Woodward seems to be about meking himself known, rather then putting United first, why else would he be jetting around the world in a private jet instead of sitting at his desk and working on the shape of the squad.
and it seems replacing SAF with Moyes halted all the transfer dealings that were done in the last couple of months.
Personally, I think the new management and Woodward have shown inexperience and have quite frankly, been pathetic in their actions so far.
Moyes seems to be overawed by everything and actually said it! Woodward only wants to sign someone so that we can all be grateful.
There doesn't seem to be any cohesion between the two men, and no plan at all.
I know its early days, but what I've seen so far has been very worrying.
Nomidfield
Cabaye is top class, not in the world class bracket but just that one step down and IMO if he were to be playing in a team where he had a settled role and didn't have to attack, cover and defend on his own then we would see the best of him. Ideally for me we could sign him and Vidal and both are solid defensively and both can get forward allowing for greater mobility and a solid base to start from.
And most importantly both (Fabregas too) are confident in possession and look about when on the ball. Something our midfield did as bog standard but has dwindled into only when in 5 yards of space ie never!
Jono - I would love to see Cabaye bought in and think he could be a very shrewd signing. It would mean we would also have a decent right footed free kick taker as well as the left footed RVP.
Jonny8 and Nomidfield
I think you said what I was thinking but a whole lot better. Glad I'm not alone on this one. Getting more worried by the day.
Red Joe
18 Jul 2013 13:11:38
i don't understant why people are so negative and persimistic, I watched chelsea play yesterday and their new players are good but not wolrd class imo not better than what thet alredy had in mata, oscar and hazard, if we could just keep rooney and get fabregas and maybe baines then we shall be celebrating title number 21 come may, and honestly I think city currently have a better squad than chelsea
18 Jul 2013 12:55:30
Rumour the brand can go on loan to Cardiff
Hopefully it's one of those multiple season loans like Courtois'.
redseven
I will pay the taxi bill.
I doubt that to be honest. Cleverley is not a great player but he is a decent player and he adds depth to the squad. Carrick, Cleverley, Fabregas, Jones vying for 2 places behind Kagawa would be a good squad. I would love to add Vidal to that list and let Jones concentrate as CB though.
18 Jul 2013 12:50:25
Guys, I was chatting to my mate who's dad knows a few people inside the club, he's told me that Woodwards return is for bale, this is the first time I've asked him about a transfer so I've no idea how reliable he is, but thought I'd share! He seems pretty adamant bale will be on his way!
Bale has just signed two big sponsorship deals (BT Sport and EA Sports) in which all of his promo pics/material include him in the new Spurs kit.
On that basis I don't see him moving anywhere this summer.
redseven
Here we go, somebody who knows some one who knows people inside the club, if it was for bale I don't think it would be blabbed about.
Transfers happen all the time, I would imagine his sponsors wouldn't have a say in whether he moved or not!
Jase
18 Jul 2013 12:37:00
One thing we must say is that we have completely changed our targets and strategy in the market since Moyes' arrival which was not expected. Strootman for eg. was just let go to Roma without any fight from United. I think this is one of the reasons why we haven't been successful yet in getting anyone since we may not have worked on those targets beforehand.
Don't think there is any substance to this Bale rumor though. Also I don't think Fabregas will be sold by Barcelona.
REDFAITH
18 Jul 2013 12:33:51
Am I the only utd fan who doesn't want Baines or fellaini, I think its a waste of money. I know Baines is good but I think evra has another season in him at least and buttner is good and deserves a run, if Baines was a bit younger it'd make sense but he's hitting his 30s now. fellaini is obviously good but I can't help thinking Charlie adam, downing etc as in big fish small pond may not survive as well with the big boys and he is quite inconsistent and injury prone, I reckon James McCarthy would be a better buy, I think between Carrick and Jones we have enough cover in that position. I feel we need to put that extra cash into cam the likes of fabregas and modric and even another high end striker if wazza splits. any opinions?
Everton fan here your not getting Baines anyway but you can have Fellaini were not to bothered if he goes 24 mill yes anyday il drive him to manchester myself.
Baines and Fellaini would improve our side, but I think they will be costly and I think there are better options at a cheaper price. I would raid RM for Coentrao, Modric & Khedira
Sydney!
No matter how much we like Jones he isn't a DM its making do, we already make do with all the bloody midfield
The only problem with Fellaini is the fear of us lumping balls upto him but DM knows that isn't how United play and the hierachy would stop that
Baines would be a huge improvement on our team. Evra has been a liability the past few seasons and has been one of the weak points in the squad.
Evra is great at attacking but defensively he is poor, been a wonderful servant to the club but it's time for him to move on.
You mention Baines' age as it's a negative, he has never relied on his pace. Therefore with age he will still be the usual consistent Baines we all know. He would improve the first team defensively and offensively. Finally he would be able to take the corners for us so RVP can stay in the box which makes us more of a threat in that area too.
Everton fan here. agree with you on baines. outstanding player for us but not getting any younger. Still has a good 3 years in him. Don't put felliani in the same sentence as adam or downing. On his day he is unplayable and very versatile. Moyes done a great job for us but if he does not sign someone soon he may up end buying you a second rate player. he is not used to buying early into the transfer either so things may drag on. good luck in the transfer window.
I will tell you what is a waste of money. 17 million Euros for Garay (a central defender)
Complete joke when we already have 5 central defenders.
Simmo
18 Jul 2013 13:22:32
How can butner deserve a chance! Baines is the best LB in the country. We our Manchester United we go for the best
Bakes
Baines is 28, Fellani is a more physical type player and is class not a big fish, Everton are a good club and IMO Jones isn't a CM
Simmo, how many times has it been said that Garay is a replacement for Rio from next season?
It makes sense to bring him in now for several reasons.
1) if he has another good season his price and competition could increase.
2) given our record with defensive injuries over the last couple of years having another senior defender with European experience would be beneficial
3) he has played in the Portugese and Spanish leagues so signing him now gives him a year to adapt to the Premier League before becoming Rio's replacement.
If he was all that we signed then fair enough but that is very unlikely. I must ask though, why do you not like him?
MEF
MEF - I could not put it better myself, We ended up with Carrick at centre back last year etc. Having Garay come in and play maybe 20 games in his first year will allow him to settle and plus when he does play as he is very good on the ball we can play a higher line as he he can be used as a kind of playmaker from the back.
18 Jul 2013 12:29:56
I can't believe we would let rooney join any
of our epl rivals unless a swap deal is on
the cards. I would even let him join city if
we got one of there top players in
exchange
I actually believe he would hurt us less if he was going to City compared to Chelsea!
He would hurt as anyway though.
18 Jul 2013 12:16:38
Shameful. The guy has carried united since Ronaldo left, playin wherever needed for the team. He's still put up solid goal scoring numbers and is a good defensive presence as well. His two issues are ones he has been right about, and if stupid fans would just shut their mouths we could get him back focused on being the world class player he can be. This Rooney hatred has made me embarrassed to be a united supporter for the first time in my life. Short memories and no gratitude. -KG
KG, you seem to forget he has held our club to ransom twice now. He does not love this club, all he loves is the money in the bank. Both times he has threatened to leave it's been about money and as Sydney said the first time he had kinda had a right to, because he was at the time a world class player who deserved higher wages. But this time he is taking it too far.
"Short memories and no gratitude" I'm sorry but I don't forget back in 2010 when he caused all of this fuss. You must be blinded to think keeping him will do us any good, this season he has been such a disappointment, everyone thought him and Robin would light up the world but no, he sulked because he was no longer the main man.
We need more players like Robin at our club, work hard, shows respect and is grateful for everything he has. Rooney? Let him go to Chelsea, yes he will be a good player for them but it won't be long until he tries to get more money out of them, you watch.
How could he light up the world up front with RVP when Fergie never played him there?
Use you brain will you.
One of the reasons he has sited leaving is due to the fact we want's to play up front.
It's a bit stupid wo say he hasn't performed up front with RVP when he barely played there all season.
Simmo
Simmo, Rooney was dropped from the forward line due to his poor performances last season. I lost count the amount of times we were in great positions and possession was lost when Rooney was on the ball.
Sydney!
18 Jul 2013 12:15:14
This could either be our worst transfer window for a long time or could quite easily be our best. don't know which way it will go. There's lots of negativity on here tho
Hope for the best. prepare for the worst
Rodio17
18 Jul 2013 12:10:31
Icthink out of all the targets we should be targeting players from Madrid. Especially modric.
Madrid just bought laramendi and could offload few players to land bale in.
We have moree chance of modric coming in then fabregas. Modric would also be a good fit for united.
I have a sneaky feeling we may go for him and land him this time.
Singh
18 Jul 2013 11:59:39
According to a website we have put 8 players on the transfer list: Nani, Anderson, Lindegaard, Fabio, Macheda, Wooton, Bebe & Tunnicliffe. This is in a hope to raise funds and free up the wage bill. I think we can add Rooney to this list as well even though he is not officially for sale - he will be leaving though. Those 9 players in my opinion could raise us £50 million between them. It would also free up around 400k in wages. That would be quite a saving. Realistically, this could mean that we would have enough funds to grab Bale, get Baines & also perhaps Fabregas but more realistically Fellaini.
I'd say closer to 40M, roo 25, Nani 10, lindegaard 3m, fabio 2M, macheda, 2m, bebe 0 he is worthless and the others not much
What is the website Fresh?
James
I forget, getmesport or something like that. Probably cr*p but who knows.
18 Jul 2013 11:58:16
Yeah I heard a whisper on that too, who knows. come on edmond woodskull do the business and bring in 1 of the 2 class acts out there. Ronny be perfect and wouldn't cry over bale or fabregas either.
18 Jul 2013 10:17:09
I remember Moyes saying that United were working hard to ensure the first signing would be the "right" signing. I know a few guys are saying it could be a CB or LB.
I personally think Moyes & ED will now that's not what the fans percieve to the the 'right' signing & will want to appease everyone. Thus I'm expecting & stellar name. I still think sideshow bob is on his way, I also think he'll be quality for us but needs the right foil at the side of him.
I still think Bale & or Fab has legs in it.
Love this time of year! Gets me through my paperwork pondering our incomings!
Any aigning would be the right signing.
I don't agree. I think signing Garay is a waste of money. Not saying it will happen.
18 Jul 2013 10:14:20
HI gUYS
Quick rant if I may! The whole Rooney situation just sums out what life is going to be like without Sir Alex.
Don't get me wrong i'm happy with DM appointment but this whole saga been drawn out in the press wouldn't be happening if fergie was still manager.
Also I think DM showed his inexpierence in making the comment that he has i. e if rvp gets injured. having said that it is clearly obvious that rooney is holding out for man u to sell rather then him hand in a transfer request to save himself millions which just shows the type of person he really is,, either that or he dosen't have the brains to write a transfer request on paper!
all in all it saddens me to see the whole situation been drawn out like this but in this case I don't blame man u for not letting him get away with it a second time.
p. s get site ed's doing great job.
U obviously dnt remember the 2010 stand off!
Moyess comment wasn't what it was made out to be. it was the media just focusing on one of he's quotes.
18 Jul 2013 10:11:15
Rooney
Well for all the arguing too and fro on here regarding peoples opinions on how good a servant he has been, legendary status, body shape, effort pre and post Ronny etc, etc, etc!
In all reality NONE of that matters!
If he wanted to stay he would have said at ANY point this whole summer and the fact he has not only points to one thing.
He doesn't WANT to be here.
Yes we could persuade him no doubt and yes that would no doubt cost moolah of the same or more than he is on (and frankly what he is already on isn't worth it to Manchester United for the performances returned) but that in its self is the point we are having to persuade him to stay.
If he was on Ronny or Messi's level or a special player that's one of a kind in that position ie Big Pete or Keane or Scholes etc then there is justification there for playing ball but he has not justified the place in the team without question, he is replacable for a good fee and far less wages, he is not justifying the wages he is on and although he is a great player his main attributes have lessened in recent years.
So as an asset of Manchester United that is coming to an important time career and contract wise then the best option is to sell and replace with a hungrier younger player who can match him for talent and will free up wages.
Good servant, fantastic player on his day and has contributed to allot of our recent success but from a business and sporting point of view for both parties its time to move on IMO.
Jono, he will want to be here if we pay him and his agent what they want. Try and use Chelsea to get himself an even bigger deal, but I think this time MU will call his bluff and he will move to Chelsea. Another Michael Owen where he will retire a footballer who few particularly like. Nine years at MU will be forgotten in an heartbeat by the majority of MU fans.
Sydney!
Forgot to say good post.
Sydney!
Exactly Syd! if he wanted to stay he would be playing everything safe as houses to not annoy the fans or rock the boat with the money men but his angling for what he wants instead of wanting to stay means its best he goes. If we are talking about him just coming off the back of his 30+ goals last year and looking good physically then of course we should be looking to negotiate but he has stagnated and maybe the lure of a fresh challenge (funnily enough one where he might even get a pay rise) is looking too good to him.
If he wanted a fresh challenge so be it, or if he wants a new deal good luck trying to get that haha but the main point we should all note is that whatever the outcome he most certainly doesn't WANT to stay with us just for the priviledge of being a Manchester United player he will only 'want' to stay on his terms and because of that I would say goodbye in an instant as he has not shown the desire even for SAF last season to try his hardest to be the best he can.
18 Jul 2013 11:42:34
RVP on Uniteds website " everyone starts on zero and has to earn there place again".
Take note Wayne. no one has a divine right to be in the team. Put the hard work in and take a leaf out of Robins book and you may surprise yourself. you may be as good as what you think you are.
18 Jul 2013 11:27:26
Wonder what the urgent business could be? It's definitely not Rooney. MUFC have confirmed that.
18 Jul 2013 11:06:40
A couple of sources are reporting that united could bid for bale, do anyone else see this happening?
18 Jul 2013 11:02:08
Announcement fri afternoon who will it b
BALE FABREGAS CR7 MATA OR ROONEY
18 Jul 2013 10:50:43
Cal me cynical but I think, the supposed, Bale bid is a ploy to get Real to go for him. I'm not suggesting we would not welcome Bale more that they see Ronaldo as more realistic. let's say we make a £60m bid for Bale, when we know Spurs will not sell for less than £75m, Real are known to want him so they offer more and with Ronaldo's contract up in the air it gives us some leverage to get him for say £50m.
Congrats ed's on banning someone for abusing an ed. long overdue and may it continue.
I hate Fellaini with a passion and with his release fee quoted between 22. 5 and 25m why not go all out for Vidal maybe 10m more but class and can actually play football, there have been some encouraging noises from him lately.
Fabregas, great player, deal seems very strange to me, why bid for a player if he does not want to come? I know we can't "officially" talk to a player signed for another club. I also it happens all the time. Shakes head don't get it at all.
Finally the rumour. heard we are very interested in Lamella.
18 Jul 2013 10:46:51
i don't get why so many are saying Fellaini is such a bad signing! Granted he's not the playmaker we are looking for but if we signed a playmaker and fellaini our cm would be solid. he's big, tough and strong and also not a bad footballer, he could be our yaya. plus he can play holding and attacking
18 Jul 2013 09:54:43
United will play a Christmas tree formation this season. The back picks itself even with two new signings. The middle three will be carrick, fellaini and modric, with kagawa and one other behind van persie.
So absolutely no width? nice idea! go back to Fifa.
RedDub
18 Jul 2013 11:59:01
Why do people assume that no wingers means no width?
The width would come from Rafael & Evra simples. Daleman55.
I have said that I believe we might pack the midfield next season with width coming from Baines/Buttner & Rafael/Valencia perhaps?
Sydney!
18 Jul 2013 09:50:34
I honestly think far to many people think the transfer window is just like fifa or football manager.
Sell him buy him etc, etc.
Love him or hate him I'm amazed people are wanting to sell Rooney to Chelsea.
For me Chelsea have underperformed the last couple of years but I expect a much better team under Jose. I also think Oscar and hazard in particular will be even better this season.
What Chelsea have missed is a top striker who can play up top on his own and I honestly think Rooney can be that man.
Now I rate Rooney higher than some on this site, I think he was poor last year but I expect to see a much better wr next season, and a front 4 of hazard, Mata, Oscar and Rooney could be very special.
The reports coming out are that Rooney sees himself as in his prime and wants to play as a striker.
Now I can understand that, Rooney has never lived up to his potential but at the same time has had to play all other the park and at 28 I have the feeling that that for the last 3/4 years of his career at the v top he wants to be the main man maybe try and show how good he can be.
I don't think it has anything to do with cash, if Rooney stops at United or moves the cash will take care of its self.
I also don't buy into this idea that United want Rooney to hand in a transfer request due to his 5% cut I think it's more likely moyes/Woodward want to be able to say "it's not our fault he wanted to leave"
Because it's a big year for moyes and just like a player it may take 12 month to settle in and if by Xmas we are maybe 3 and Chelsea are top with Rooney scoring goals questions will be asked especially if Rooney moves to Chelsea and says " I was forced out "
I think Rooney and Chelsea would be a good fit I also think Rooney and Jose would be a great fit, Jose is a good man manager and Rooney seems to be the type that needs an arm round the shoulder.
For all of the above I think selling Rooney to Chelsea would be a mistake but time will tell
Jred
Jred
Most of the people are over reacting just because other people is doing it.
No one knows what Mourinho can do with Rooney and Torres, 2 players with no confidence and they have some to prove.
The thing I don't get is why make your main rival for title stronger?
Yeah, nothing to do with cash Jred LOL.
The naivety is astounding. Rooney would sign a new MU deal tomorrow if we paid him what he wants.
Sydney!
Jred, so if you believe Rooney wants to be the main man and that is not possible at MU, then why do you want to keep him here? Surely you have just given the reason why his future at MU is no longer possible? Unless you suggest we sell RvP so Rooney can be the "main man".
Sydney!
Nick, Rooney and Torres are not lacking confidence, they are in decline.
If Chelsea make an acceptable offer and Rooney pushes for the move there instead of abroad, then there isn't much you can do about it. As for making them stronger? That is debatable. Rooney is no Falcao or Cavani. I would also prefer to have RvP leading the attack than Rooney.
Sydney!
18 Jul 2013 09:49:42
Hello _ just heard someone mention that Rooney will join city instead of Chelsea .
not my opinion but suppose it would make sense
Time for a visit from the men in black!
Only if we agree to sell him to City and I can't believe we are that stupid.
A
18 Jul 2013 09:47:20
It has been said that varela may be loaned to Boca Juinors.
18 Jul 2013 09:46:27
Apparently, Woodward haS gone back home to do transfer business. The papers this morning are saying we want to bid for Bale, and we have put in a 26 million pounds deal to sign Fabregas. Also, according to MarquInhos's agent, It has been said that we have launched a bid for him. Moyes is on pressure to sign players before the end of the season, after missing out of Thiago Alcantara.!
18 Jul 2013 09:31:25
Lets all be honest and look at the Rooney situation objectively. Think back to Ronaldos first season with United, a rather irrational young Evertonian sent Ronaldo flying through the air on the touch line because Ronnie simply displayed a level of talent that Rooney couldn't handle. Fast forward to Rooney signing for United and he had a fire in his belly, determined to prove he belonged in the same company as Ronaldo and Messi. It didn't take long for the petulance and frustration to shine through on the pitch after the realisation that Ronaldo was on another planet. Rather than rise to the occasion Rooney crumbled. He excelled again when Ronnie left. Fast forward to his transfer request due to a lack of ambition. RVP is signed and once again rather than rise to the occasion he crumbles again. Now I would challenge any of those Rooney lovers to show me one game last season where he displayed anything like the form post Ronaldo. Throwing his toys out of the pram shows me that he knows in RVP United have a better player than him. Kagawa has all the ability and most importantly the determination to be a success at United. Indeed at the back end of the season he began to show what he is capable of. He has stated his desire to earn his place in the team. Rooneys position is under threat from Kagawa too and yet he's not determined to win his place, instead he wants out. There is one reason and one reason only for Rooney losing his place, he has simply not been good enough. His pace has gone, his touch has deserted him and his fitness levels have been appalling for a professional sportsman. I would argue that on several occasions last season he finished games when he should have been hauled off! Fergie gave him ample opportunity to rediscover his form, Rooney simply didn't take it. Having an unhappy player in the squad, particularly with a new manager coming in, would create the circus this has turned in to. I wish him luck when he moves and I hope it's not another Gazza situation of an immense talent wasted. Unfortunately at 27 and with his current attitude and form there is a distinct possibility he could destroy what was such a promising career.
Gerdy7
Gerdy7
Have you forgotten the fantastic 8 years that he has given the club and in some season has dragged united through because of his exceptional talent.
Yes I agree Rooney has to go but people like just moan about the negatives and forget what a fantastic player he has been for this club. Fickle in my opinion.
Another Ronaldo obsessed fan, stop thinnking in the past.
Simmo
Simmo I clearly stated that Rooney was Uniteds best player after Ronaldo left. I also stated that I hope he does well wherever he goes. My point was his drastic loss of form is the only reason United are considering selling him. As for living in the past, surely stating that Rooney served United well for 8 years points to you living in the past as his form for the last two season has got progressively worse. I'm not obsessed by Ronaldo at all but it's perfectly clear for all to see that Rooney is nowhere near the class of Ronaldo. Before you throw your own toys out of the pram perhaps you should read the post you're about to "moan" about.
Gerdy7
Gerdy, very true. There are too many Rooney fans judging him on his previous year's form. Not on last season's form. They are living in the past. Up until 2010 Rooney was top notch, since 2010 he has slowly declined. His control hasn't been the same, his touch and he has lost his explosiveness. His goals have covered over many of his cracks. But truth is Rooney hasn't been at his best since 2010 and since then he has gotten worse.
Sydney!
You are obsessed with Ronaldo.
Just like a lot of the bloggers on this site.
Simmo
18 Jul 2013 09:31:19
Hello All,
Been coming on the site now for over a month not posted + think its a great site so actually registered an account. I am bit unsure who the big signing is going to be if i'm honest don't think it will be fabregas but who knows will be very disappointed and gutted if it's garay. Would like baines fabregas fellaini and a winger. Perhaps nani can get back to his best because as I remember it year or so ago nani was our main go to man to create something he just looked so down and depressed last season. The replay against chelsea in the cup was probly the worst performance I've seen from a united player in a long time. I think the red card against madrid shattered him aswell to be fair hopefully moyes can get him back to his best then we will have a completely different player on our hands. i'm not convinced by chris smalling as a united player either if i'm honest? what's your thoughts eds or whoever wants to comment? I can see also why we didn't press for strootman because wasnt overly impressed with him in the u21's. Cheers guys that's my first post done lol
If Woodward made a transglobal media show of signing anyone other than Ronaldo/Bale/Fabregas than it's a joke. Get on a damn commercial flight quietly, get back to work and do your job. No fans in Asia are coming out to see you. You can go visit during the season and glad hand sponsors when you're not needed to handle "urgent transfer dealings". I hope I'm pleasantly surprised (if there even is anything imminently happening), but I also hope I win the lottery and that hasn't happened yet either.
I think the deal for Garay is nearly completed and I doubt it would require Woodward to return. Personally I think the deal may be Fabregas. I agree on Strootman, and I would prefer Fellaini to him. Smalling has had a fair few injuries and he has not played as much as he would hope, but I think he is a very good defender with a lot of potential. Nani is the most frustrating football player on the planet. He has huge reserves of talent and skill but he just fails to perform too often. Maybe he has one more chance. Anderson has to go though.
18 Jul 2013 10:23:34
Why don't you rate Smalling? He's composed, quick, good turn off pace, can tackle, can pass, has a football brain, ok has had a few injuries but he's a young player and will grow at the club.
18 Jul 2013 08:54:41
A paper this morning is claiming United are preparing a £60m bid for Bale. If there is any truth in this, is it just me that thinks we may be doing this in the hope that Real will panic and go all out to get him? This will mean they have to maybe think of letting Ronaldo leave to be able to fund such a move. They have already spent £60m+ this summer, if they entered a bidding war with anyone for Bale it could reach £70m+ which I don't think they have. Maybe agreeing to let Ronaldo leave if we don't bother with Bale could an option, they could get good money for Ronaldo while paying less for Bale.
On the other hand, it could be a load of tabloid bullsh*t and neither are of interest to us right now. I love and hate the transfer window.
Brendan81
Haha know what you mean about the window;) I reckon if there was so much as a sniff of a chance we would go all out forBale I would even suggest that bale would be of more interest to us than Ronaldo personally would be so happy with either. i'm a bit surprised how we are conducting our business this year there seems to be a whole lot more information than we usually get, Baines bid, Cesc bid etc it even makes watching the same 6 stories on sly spurts allday doable;)
Why are you absessed about getting Ronaldo back?
Bale would be a better signing, cheaper, younger and in my opinion will be as good as Ronaldo in 1-2 years if he signs for United and develops his game.
Ronaldo is staying in Madrid until his contact expires and by that time he will be nearly 31 years old.
Simmo
I mentioned about 2-3 weeks ago my uncle had said bale is more keen on the move than people think, I was not stating he would sign simply if an offer was excepted he would be keen, let's see how this one runs.
It can't hurt to put some added pressure on the Bale/Ronaldo situation, see if anything shakes loose. And yes, we all lose our heads during the transfer window, yet somehow forget all about it come trophy time.
Ronaldo won't come to United, at least not this season.
I just think Ronaldo would end up slightly cheaper than Bale for United, as we would pay a big premium because of Levy's demands. Real would get him cheaper as they are not in the PL and we wouldn't be battling for him. Ronaldo is a much better player in my eyes even if he is a few years older, he is a much bigger star for Chevrolet to use if that is a plan and also Nike will have him at there biggest club.
It's probably all rubbish though.
Brendan81
Simmo, Bale cheaper, you really think so? Do you have no idea about Levy at all? He will also never be as good as Ronaldo, if you don't see that then I don't know what to say to be honest. He is a very good player, no doubt about it, but he is and won't ever be at the level of Ronaldo/Messi in my opinion. His game is built a lot around his pace and that will deteriorate going into his late 20's. Ronaldo is also very quick, but has so much more to his game than Bale, as he slows down, the rest of his game will ensure he stays at the top longer.
Brendan81
Brendan81
Real Madrid paid 80 million pounds for Ronaldo, he has since become an even better player breaking scoring records in his three seasons at Madrid.
He is in the same bracket as Lionel Messi.
His merchandise / selling power at Madrid is off the scale. They would loose millions and millions of pounds.
Ronaldo will not be sold for less than 80 million pounds and would cost more than Bale.
Please tell me why you are under the opinion that Bale will never reach Ronaldo's level.
How do you know what kind of player he will develop into, nobody especially you (a football fan) can predict this.
You have completely missed my point, I said in 1-2 years he could be at the same level as Ronaldo.
Of course Ronaldo has more pace, power and scores more goals at the moment, that isn't in debate.
He is 4 years older than Bale and has played at a bigger and better clubs which would have helped his development much more than Bale.
What I am saying is how good could Bale be if he came to United.
I think he could be a superstar.
Simmo
18 Jul 2013 08:33:00
I really fill that all this hype of "transfer buisness" is Garay! This is will me a bit dissapointed once more as we all know about his transfer. I am getting concerned of the lack of progress in the markert.
On the Rooney saga, just let the under achiveing over paid lump rot on the bench!
Bake
18 Jul 2013 08:27:11
Shappy
After reading your comments on Rooney further down the page would be interested to read your views on club legend George best
Jred
Pele gd, maradona better, George Best
;-)
18 Jul 2013 09:28:49
George Best was a fantastic player for us, who clearly held the club very close to his heart. He always did his best for the club. But he was flawed as a human being, and was plagued with alcoholsim. He will always be held in high esteem by us United fans as quite simply he was a genius.
Rooney and Best have some similarities, both hugely talented, both deeply flawed as people. But there is a big difference between the two. Best loved the club, Rooney uses the club as a cash cow.
Shappy
George best was fantastic but don't forget walked out on the club on more than one occasion asked to leave more than once, turned up for training unfit worse for wear played many games in not the best condition shall we say.
Slagged of the manager slagged of the players.
Yet g best loved the club and Rooney hasn't been a good servant.
The sheer hypocrisy of your opinion is amusing but like I have said before for some people Rooney can do no right, to get a balanced view on this site is very difficult.
Neither best or Rooney are angels but both have been very good for United.
G best
363 games for United 137 goals
W Rooney
279 games 141 goals
Jred
". Losing wasn't in my vocabulary. When the wonderful players I had been brought up with - Charlton, Law, Crerand, Stiles - went into decline, United made no real attempt to buy the best replacements. I was left struggling among fellas who should not have been allowed through the door" best
Sound a bit similar
Jred
Didn't realise the Glazers were in charge of MU then Jred ;)
Sydney!
Jred
I completely agree with your post.
People on here forget what Wayne Rooney has done for the club and just concentrate on the negatives all the time.
Simmo
18 Jul 2013 07:17:46
Really hope the Bale rumours this morning have some legs and I think they could do (wishful maybe).
The way I see it, if we have to sell Rooney (which is best as he is unhappy, although I will miss him) then that frees up somewhere in the region of £250k per week in wages as well as £25m transfer fee. So, if we have funds in place as it is without selling him then this would be another welcomed boost. Rooney's wages would cover Bale and Baines' money combined I would imagine, £45m-£50m and I reckon we would get GB, we could even throw Nani into a potential deal as apparently Spurs are interested anyway. I just think Bale is exactly what we need and exactly what a United player should be. Fast, strong, direct, scores goals and gets you on the edge of your seat. I would love to see him at OT.
So all in surely a summer of Baines, Fabregas, Bale and maybe even one more midfielder isn't as unrealistic as it would have once seemed? Granted I am no businessman, but it seems manageable to me.
Maybe just totally dreaming of a return to 433 with Carrick holding in midfield, Fabregas and Kagawa either side of him and a front three of RVP, Chicharito and Bale in a free role!
GRD, do you work for the Daily Mail? Just joking, it would be nice but I can't see it. Although it has gone very quiet in the Bale/AVB camp until this morning. Would like to know where the source of this was from but feel it is nothing more than someone putting 2 + 2 together and getting 5. Fingers crossed anyway!
18 Jul 2013 07:17:09
An interesting morning
Woodward is flying back to do transfer business. This morning the papers have us about to bid for Bale. Still I can't see Bale, Real Madrids main target, coming to OT. However I did read that Ronaldo has arranged talks with Perez shortly to discuss his contract situation. If I was to dream perhaps I could reach to thinking that any leaked news of our potential Bale bid would put Perez under time pressure during those talks, with an aim to push him towards selling Ronaldo. I can dream!
I see Modric being mentioned on here, sorry that would not be a dream and would not fit with the best in the world comments nor indeed would Fellaini but if we do sign one of those two no doubt they will be "bigged up" exponentially
I look forward to seeing why Woodward has rushed back but if it isn't the best then I would be disappointed
Game on
Redman so u think modric wouldn't fit? Please tell me why? Modric is a great player and wot we need right now
Red Man
Who fits then? There are few players available now. We must make a move to those available.
Chris
I watched Modric at Spurs and he is a good player. I have also seen him live quite a few times and he is not as good as others to be honest. I don't feel he commands a game nor has the drive to take games by the scruff. Nice on the ball but I don't see him being good enough in big games. Madrid didn't trust him over Khedira Alonso and Ozil a decent midfield but didn't dominate our poor one in last years CL. Modric hardly got a sniff. Lastly I don't see drive but also the pace needed in him. We need a driver more than an artist but there are players Fabregas for example who offer both. If we truly want the BEST then Modric is down the list of the best midfielders for me
But Modric may be the best option 'available'. Available being the operative word my friend.
Sydney!
18 Jul 2013 06:26:03
In my opinion wayne rooney has reached his peak, a little competition and he gets edgy and frustrated. If he is top quality as he thinks then he should fight. Think if he can't get his head straight then united can use him as a bait to land fabregas or modric
I have been perhaps the most vocal poster when it comes to the need to keep Rooney. But his decision will say a lot about him. If he chooses to stay that tells me he's a fighter and loyal, and that the problems with the club were legitimate ones that he had a right to bring up (lack of transfer activity/playing out of position). If he leaves, it makes me think he just used those two situations, which most posters on here agreed with him on, to leverage a better deal. If he goes to Chelsea, I'll be devastated, and I think it would be a huge mistake for both Wayne and United, but it would at least soften the blow to know if Rooney really is the mercenary the papers (and many posters) have made him out to be. I'll get thru my day avoiding the tabloid gossip and day-dreaming of a front six of carrick/fabregas, bale/kagawa/rooney, RVP.
18 Jul 2013 05:15:26
just reading in the guardian that Moyes is apparently quite keen on Luiz. I'm hoping the interest in him is as a midfielder rather than a centre half.
there's also the on-going speculation regarding Fellini and reports that moyes thinks he could really bring him on at utd and develop him into a top player.
does anyone have any thoughts on this? can either or both of these players have the potential to step up and be part of the solution to utds substandard midfield along with Carrick and a creative player such as fabragas or modric? shappy, you out there?
my own view is that there are better players for our midfield but none looking like they are available. I think Luiz or Fellini would give us something different and may kick on, but right now they are a second best option. would I buy either? only as a last resort if some sturdy offers fail to dislodge better targets
Luiz is a talented player, but as a CB/DM he would block Phil Jones' development. He's also not a very likable player is he?
18 Jul 2013 04:16:48
apparently moyes have just study the squad very well with most of the players now in the camp and he has just identify the needed area and he has given the ceo the list to be fowarded to the board for approval and back up with fund
18 Jul 2013 03:41:31
Eds,
I have just looked at my last couple of comments and they are showing with no username and that I am not signed in. I realised I have been logged out and tried to log in and it says my username has been banned!
{Ed029's Note - You have been banned for abusing an Editor on another page.}
18 Jul 2013 02:08:49
If this 'big transfer news' that Woodward has come back to England to complete is Garay i'm going to go mad!
Any news on some sort of Bale or Ronaldo bid or is that wishful thinking?
18 Jul 2013 01:07:06
The Rooney bid saga is all typical mind games from Mourinho. Trying to unsettle united before the season begins. Its a no lose situation for Chelsea, if they don't land Rooney it'll be because we refused to sell and if they do DM will look like he can't keep the squad together already and United will look the weaker side.
He's playing us and we are all falling for it. I'm still not convinced that Rooney is even "angry" or "confused" about DM's comments.
I'd put money on him staying.
Databass
Best way to reply then is go after Mata and sell him rooney and watch rooney struggle down south :-D
Couldn't agree more and its working too
Mickey
First big mental game test for Moyes. He needs to stand upto Mourinho now, stare straight into the camera and say "Rooney is not leaving under any circumstances, and don't even bother making bids. Chelsea or any other clubs attempting to sign Wayne will have their bids met with an immediate rejection and any attempts to influence the player directly will be reported to the proper authorities. Wayne Rooney has been a leader of this club for many years and will continue to be one for many seasons to come. He is an integral part of our team and will prove his doubters wrong in the upcoming season. " (Then he should yell "peace out b!tches" and drop the mike to the floor. )
Would love to see that KG!
That would be hilarious!
Take your blinkers off KG. It's getting embarrassing now. Was Rooney an integral part of the team last season when he spent most of the time overweight and throwing wobblers? If Chelsea make a decent enough offer he is gone. It's either that or an overweight Rooney sat on the bench moaning for the next two seasons, winding his contract down collecting a staggering amount of cash each week. Blocking any chance of us improving the squad the way the manager wants to.
Sydney!
18 Jul 2013 00:38:14
Rooney situation needs dealing with within the week its getting ridiculous not really moyes vault this situation. Ferguson made it very difficult and moyes said rooney can play when van persie isn't and I think everyone would agree van persie starts before rooney up front I feel rooney feels he should be first on the team sheet but he is not anymore and he has took it badly instead of keeping his head down and working hard he has got angry and his confidence is low but I think it would be best for everyone if he left but he was very good and people shouldn't forget that but for me he is past his best. Kagawa behind van persie could be very special and I feel kagawa is settled now and are team is strong I think a left back is a must I don't want to have to shout at evra to get in position anymore sometimes when he is getting back he doesn't seem to be aware he should do it urgently. I feel a left winger is a must aswell right sides quite strong with rafael and valencia and zaha I no valencia wasnt great last season but I feel it was more a blib rather than past his best. Young and nani don't cut it a move for bale would be ideal cost a lot but would be the world star to replace rooney. And midfield we should get fellaini I don't know why he gets slated on here he is very good player can do what yaya does burst from deep and gives ussomething else from set pieces he also has got feet very technical player but because he is big and elbows a lot everyone thinks he's a thug but he's not just about that but I like that he has that bit of edge that will put good players off there game so baines fellaini bale in and rooney and nani out we would have a much better team and options everywhere januzaj could stepin for kagawa and get some games jones can come in for fellaini or carrick welbeck and hernandez can come in for van persie this would mean we are playing 4 5 1 or 433 which are basically the same anyway just my opinions what do you lot think? Also does anybody know why l cole isn't ontour is he injured think he has a big future? also forgot to say if everybody wants a move for 2 midfielders what about kondogbia I think he's available for about 10 million?
Browred
No team in the world has this leathel striking pair in the world. People must start recalling when they were thrilled with a thaught of rooney and rvp togather.
And we have witnessed some great link up between them until rooney was forced in midfield or at left.
Rooney and rvp are both all round footballers. Being united fan, we shoyld not compare who is batter.
Problem started when him being played out of position because of his versatality. Last term he didn't get continuous chance to keep working on strikers role.
Even rvp had nearlly 1. 5 month out of form time excatly around cl time.
So its completly other reasons than football for " driving him out"
We should be football fans rather sport politics or football financial gurus.
We want attract8ve football like 5 seasons back and we should worry about that only.
Rodio17
I agree with a lot of what you said. The only point I will argue about is Valencia. Now Rooney had a bad season played totally out of position, and in different positions, and he managed 16 goals and over 15 assists. Valencia on the other hand, is a one trick pony, he kicks the ball past the opponent and runs after it. He does this on the outside of the fullback as Valencia's left leg is for standing on only and is nonexistent football wise.
This wasn't a one off bad season for Valencia, the quality of defending in PL has improved and if you are a winger with only one trick, you will get found out sooner or later. He has been sussed.
Agree on the nani and young front, both average players. And I still think we should try for Fabergas or gundogan, so let's see what happens.
Nomidfield
All of European football is switching away from two strikers. Seems every team in the world plays with five midfielders at the moment. Or six if you're Barcelona.
Nomidfield, Rooney was played out of position due to having better players ahead of him who kept themselves in shape. Rooney was played in the hole from the start of the season until almost every attack broke down when he was in possession. He was played out of position because he wasn't good enough to play as a striker.
Sydney!
18 Jul 2013 00:26:44
Looks like the media think we are going in for Bale.
I had a feeling this would happen as soon as it looked like we were likely to be getting funds in from sales.
I had a half thought that we may actually be in for Ronaldo and as part of the deal wouldn't get in Madrid's move on Bale.
But onwards and upwards.
Our targets are not realistic:
Ronaldo does not want to leave Madrid this year and also Madrid will only sell him if they have a replacement. Bale.
Levy will not be selling Bale this year, 100% sure. I understand Paulinho was signed on the understanding that Bale is staying, can't see Levy going back on that. Bale will cost a lot more than £60m, more like £80m +.
Fabregas, also not realistic, he does not want to leave Barca, why would he, it's his home city and club.
Unfortunately it seems both club and player will turn us down
17 Jul 2013 23:57:00
So it seems that the 10 mill plus Mata story came from United.
Why would the club come out with a story like that.
Not sure what went on with thiago and to bid for fabergas only for the player to say he doesn't want to leave is verging on embarrassing.
And now Woodward is flying home on urgent transfer business, it's going to look a bit daft if it's not a big name or it all goes pear shape in the morning.
Also a bit coincidental it's on the same day as Chelsea move for Rooney, it's looking a bit desperate to me
Hope it is bale could be modric
Jred
18 Jul 2013 07:49:39
Maybe Chelsea aren't that interested in Rooney but are trying to unsettle our camp ahead of the new season. So maybe its just us retaliating and unsettling a couple of their players.
Chelsea mistakenly thought it came from MU. It didn't. Jason Burt made that abundantly clear in a Tweet. Chelsea have since realised their mistake.
Sydney!
17 Jul 2013 23:55:28
We sould keep Rooney for another year even if we lose £10 M on him. As Matt Busby said we are MANCHESTER UNITED.
Never doubt we are the biggest club in England - always - Best, Ronaldo, Cantona, Charlton, Robson, Keane, Giggs, Schmeichel
Keep the RED FLAG flying high.
17 Jul 2013 23:29:27
Just looked on the Chelsea page.
They would love to have Rooney and are confident that our transfer talks are for Garay. If unlimited TF are available to DM, is it possible that we need to sell before buying. I would much rather loose Nani and Anderson before Rooney.
On another note if Rooney is on 200k+ PW, Will CFC match that, if I had a choice of FT or Rooney I would take Roo all day long, But if CFC offered the 50m they paid for Torres then bye Rooney hello some much needed players
Reddevil
£50m. won't happen. Rooney has 2 years left on his contract and wants out
No name, you say Rooney wants to leave. Rooney has not said he wants to leave, the media merely claim he wants to leave, and as we know, the media love to make stuff up to sell papers.
17 Jul 2013 16:33:17
Ed do you know what the reason for Woodward flying back is, Rooney or a new signing?
Dan {Ed007's Note - I'll put my neck on the line and say it's a new signing Dan.}
Thanks for clearing that up bond ;-)