18 Mar 2012 22:32:45
Gents,
There's a lot of talk about who we need to sign, how far Barca are ahead of us, ETC, ETC. let's get a few things sorted;
1. You cannot buy your way into playing Barca type football. It's a philosophy and cannot be installed or integrated overnight, or by purchasing certain players year by year. You get the building blocks installed into the youth academy, and with patience the seeds you sow bloom in the future.
2. We need players / our own players are not as 'technical' as the Spanish players, etc. The fact is that our players are actually technically excellent - but they've been taught to play in a certain fashion. To put things into perspective, its like asking a LB to play on the RW after 12 years of professional coaching on how to be a LB.
So in conclusion, let's not panic buy a new team. Yes, buy players that will aid this transistion (i.e. As Eric changed a mindset philosophy of the players around him when he joined). Re-educate, motivate and conquer.
WF Red Devil
Manchester United Banter Archive March 18 2012
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18 Mar 2012 22:30:34
Antonio Valencia is the best winger in the world!
Name 1 winger better than him.
G.A.G.U.S
18 Mar 2012 22:07:24
I knw this is not football manager, but we seriously need to improve in Europe.
De Gea/
Rafael Jones/Vidic/Smalling/J.evans Evra/Alba/Fryers
Javi Maritnez/Tunniclife
Pogba/Fletcher/Rooney Cleverly/Barkley/Carrick
Valencia/Gotse Munian/Young/
Welbeck/Higuan/Hernandez
Defense wise evra sometime is sleeping, games like Barcelona/Bilbao. I can understand he is very good person, you can see most player celebrate with him and he is very supportive. But not a captain material!
So Alba sounds very nice and he wants to play for United.
Javi Martinez giving a rock solid cover for our defence and can play as CB. We have Ryan Tunnicliffe who loves to tackle and good passer, we can start him as RB cover!
I see Rooney dropping a bit when we have more consistant attacking players. With that Nani should go, I know he is really good player, but if we want to aim for the top, he is inconsistent and bit selfish.
We can get descent money for him! Young still need of work so I say Munian, he is without doubt gifted. His work ethic is as good Valencia.
Now for a striker Higuan(only23) is the best option, he is good with ball and he is potcher of highest class. 20m sounds about rite. Benzema is clearly first in pecking order.
Gotse, I guess i dont have to say anything.
Ross Barkley well he looks so promising and so good with balls. He is very confident so for future he looks about rite!
Let me know about you guys think.
Blood Red United
18 Mar 2012 21:41:20
What will you lot do when scholes and giggs retire and rooney moves to a big european club like inter or barca?? You have no money to bring in top class players and that doddery old fool ferguson will lose the plot
King Kenny
18 Mar 2012 21:21:25
i am going to bore yous all more but i am going to continue to go on about martinez,
ive said a few times about what he gives you as a cm.
but as a cb i cant think of a single player who can step out of cd and play cm, this gives a team so many tactical options.
beckenbauer moore ish the boys special
jred
18 Mar 2012 20:49:47
Berbatov officially set to leave said by agent. No surprise. Thanks for your services Berba.
18 Mar 2012 20:30:32
Pogba has really impressed me since he has been given more chances in the first team. I really would be dissapointed if he left the club. I think he is part of the future for us and will be a main stay in the team for many years (if he stays). The youth we have are great, I don't see a team so ready for the future than us to be honest:
De Gea, Fabio, Rafael, Jones, Smalling, Pogba, Welbeck, Cleverly etc. Its a great young bunch. I'm just really hoping that we can add Hazard to this great list of youngsters. He'd give us that spark that we sometimes lack. We should do all that we can to sign him and a left back in the summer. If that was done then i'd be happy, even if a central midfielder and a right back didn't come in. Ideally we get Cissokho, Azpilicueta, Hazard and Damiao/Wolsfwinkel/Higuain or someone like that.
RedDevil19
18 Mar 2012 20:29:13
Great result , could have been better, should have been better and I think SAF knows that and that explains why he was less buoyant than you would expect.
I couldnt understand the first 20 minutes or so why we had such a slow tempo. However once we scored it did seem to help us, then when the full back was rightly sent off we gained confidence and two goals followed.
It was pretty obvious Valencia had the beating of his side of their defence and Rooney had an excellent game. Valencia has the decision making that Nani lacks and that is why I believe he will be chosen over Nani. I dont see Welbeck being the long term solution on the left, I dont remember him once getting behind the full back or causing problems down the left. He had a decent game but his all round game is not top level.
We did not press home our advantage when we got to 5, when we should have gone for more. Still if anyone had said that would be the score I would have taken it.
I noticed some criticism of Rafael, he needs to learn not to get so excitable and not to jump in otherwise he is ok. Evans seems to be receiving some praise and he had a decent game but let us remember this was a disjointed downbeat Wolves who have been struggling to score with eleven men on the pitch.
Great result but we should have pressed home our advantage more.
Red Man
18 Mar 2012 20:31:49
If SAF stays on why not say bye bye to "yes boss" Phelan and get Brendan Rodgers in now as assistant coach? Swansea playing great football all season with average players
Pedroknight
18 Mar 2012 20:01:18
really loving this new formation with welbeck, hernandez and rooney all playing at once. dont know the exact set up doesn't look like a normal 433 welbeck rooney and hernandez rotating and swapping constantly is really exciting. Also pogba looks really unfazed when playing as if he has been playing a few seasons with these players really rate him above anderson and cleverly. really think our strongest 11 is when all 3 of our attack are playing,
sulei
18 Mar 2012 19:52:55
How on earth can Bilbao play incredibly well against us and then get blown away by an average Valencia? It baffles me. Soldado has just scored a hat trick for Valencia winning the match 3-0. We really should of done better!
RedDevil19
18 Mar 2012 19:44:58
Sir Alex mentioned in the press conference, near the start of the season, that Pogba's contract had a clause in it similar to Berbatov's, where it could be extended for another season. Does anyone remember this? ED syd etc. If this is the case, how can he join Juve??
RedReg
18 Mar 2012 19:43:43
I'm almost a little disappointed that we sat back at 5-0. We could and probably should have scored 2 or 3 more and completely eradicate the goal difference. Still a great result, and puts big pressure on City against an improving Chelsea. I think Chelsea will get a draw at City.
Valencia and Rooney were very good today. Looking good, let's keep it up.
G.A.G.U.S
18 Mar 2012 19:32:21
Even if United dont sign any big names during the summer i am seriously looking forward to seeing who joins the premier league. All of the big clubs will need to buy during the summer as, i dont think im alone on this when i say, the prem this year seemed to be a bit below other leagues. It'll be great to be able to watch match of the day next year with new exciting players turning out for each team. Especially this summer looks like it will be a busy one for alot of big teams not just in England, Barca will be looking to get back on top of Madrid, Inter will be looking to drastically improve their squad as they look miles behind AC and juve. This is going to be a great summer i think!
18 Mar 2012 19:20:41
A great result today and a decent performance against a poor side with 10 men. I can understand players not wanting to risk injury and maybe wanting a clean sheet but i think we should have gone for broke and scored more goals, afterall, I would hate to see s####y win the league on goal difference. One disappointment for me again, Rafael, he's a liability and not utd class.
18 Mar 2012 19:08:02
Johnny Evans is a good passer of the ball.
Maybe try him in the defensive mid position.
Jones aint great as a midfielder.
Any thoughts ?
18 Mar 2012 18:57:58
Guys i believe we are only rotating about expensive players,,I see Fergie going for maybe 1 expensive player Eden Hazard (AM) and cheap but talented players like Everton trio of Coleman (RB),,Leighton Baines (RB) and Fellain (DM),,Forward we can go for Moussa Dembele of Fulham....What do you think Ed? {Ed004's Note - Baines right back??}
18 Mar 2012 18:17:42
If Ferdinand leaves at the end of the season then the man that will come is likely to be Inigo Martinez who, at 21, is an excellent prospect and typically a ball playing center back as SAF likes.
The idea of not signing a Hummels or Subotic is that it will get in the way of Smalling and eventually Jones. Even if Ferdinand does stay for next year, Smalling alongside Vidic will be the number one pairing with Ferdinand playing a similar role to the likes of Giggs do now.
RedDevil19
18 Mar 2012 18:17:04
it was a good game for us today.by the way,i am so glad that torres scored today.....hopefully, now he kickstarts his chelsea career and scores many goals.what a wonderful player he is.hopefully,HE WILL KICK LIVERPOOL OUT OF THE FA CUP, ABOUT WHICH YOU CAN HEAR THEM BRAGGING DAY AND NIGHT.
RED DEVIL FOR LIFE
18 Mar 2012 18:00:57
Another cup beckons for the mighty liverpool, just remind me are you still in the FA Cup or europa league??
Andy LFC
18 Mar 2012 17:52:07
Evra's substitution today shows that Fergie could be beginning to train and equip Fabio to take over the Left back position as he is doing with Pobga for the midfield position......otherwise good game for us,4 points clear and City now has to overcome Chelsea.......EDD
18 Mar 2012 17:35:22
So there was a lot of discussion on here yesterday as to what players people on here would like Manchester United to sign so I would like to express mine. Mine I think are exactly the same or extremely similar to that of Ed 4 I think it was yesterday.
I believe midfield is the key position we need strengthened and the idea of having two extremely powerful and strong midfielders is imo a good idea. However both would need to be capable of passing the ball around as Bilbao shown we need to improve on and off the ball. So I would suggest:
Martinez - We saw his defensive capabilities during the two games and he has a brilliant range of passing and could be phenomenal at a club like ours
Sissoko - He is like the french Yaya toure I suppose. He is powerful, brilliant engine and has a very good range of passing.
That would be the central midfield sorted imo.
Now onto wingers. Am I the only one who does not think Young is good enough for our starting 11? He would be an awesome squad player but he should be that at the most. I would sign one of Hazard, Muniain or Bale to replace him. In that order btw. All 3 can play through the middle so we have a replacement for Rooney when he needs rested.
Now onto the attack. I can see Owen, Macheda and Berbatov leaving. That would leave us with 3 proper out and out forwards. Now Fergie always goes on about having 4 out and out strikers. I believe the fourth should be one of Higuain or Benzema. I would love either tbh.
In nets we are sorted, I have always had faith in De Gea.
In defence I would replace Evra. What a disastrous season he is having. I would love to sign either Cissoko, Izaguirre or Alba to replace him but I am unsure on who is better. Would probably edge towards Alba as he looks like the better attacker. I would also sign Azpilicueta who ed 2? i think it is has said on numerous occasions that we have watched. He looks a decent young talent and would offer competition to Rafael who I rate highly and would allow Smalling and Jones to focus on becoming world class Cb's.
Outs would be Evra, Anderson (to injury prone and has had long enough to prove him self), Park (not good enough anymore), Owen, Berbatov, Scholes and Giggs retiring, maybe not both but we shouldn't really be relying on them.
Team
..............De Gea
Rafael/Azpilicueta Smalling Vidic Alba/Izaguirre/Cissoko
.........Martinez.....Sissoko
Valencia........Rooney.......Hazard
................Higuain/Benzema
Also would leave a very strong bench
Lindengaard, Azpilicueta/Rafael, Jones, Rio, Evans, Fabio, Fryers, Pogba, Cleverley, Carrick, Nani, Young, Welbeck, Hernandez.
However that is just what I would like to see done.
The Red Manc
18 Mar 2012 17:29:57
Good win today its put a little pressure on city it will be interesting to see if they can handle chasing us now,great to see valencia back in the team today I think we look a better team with him playing
18 Mar 2012 17:27:37
I know this isnt MUFC related just wanted to know what the boys think.
Read on sky sports before that Celtic "might" be trying to move into the English leagues, just wanted to know how you lot feel about this ?
Other than that i thought we was brilliant today and Valencia really does change the way we play.
L.A.7
18 Mar 2012 17:12:34
Analysing the game objectively today, it was a good performance, 5-0 away from home playing at leisurely pace. Valencia was immense considering it's his first game back from injury, his direct attacking play and accuracy of final delivery had been sorely missed. Hernandez's poor distribution and ball retention will be exposed against better opposition when he recieves less of the ball and it will be more critical to be more efficient with it. Wellbeck could be a class player if he could finish like Chico! If Nani can come back and hit some form, we will have good options for the run in.
Was.
18 Mar 2012 17:05:23
Evans- Improved Player of the Year.
18 Mar 2012 16:25:40
Here's hoping that Torres has finally come good - just at the right time
Mike
18 Mar 2012 16:10:22
Great result today but lets take a sensible look at the game. Against a very un confident Wolves team we sat back in the first half and didn't press once. (No lessons learnt from Thursday) The first Rooney passes went to Wolves players. If there was one big difference it was having Tony V back. Everytime he got the ball he ran forward and at the defence rather than doing what United have done all season and just pass the ball backwards. The game changed when Wolves went down to 10 men and Tony V just tortured them for a period of twenty minutes. i know at this point of the season the result is all that matters but i would love to see a United team that pushed up on weak teams and pressurised them rather than sit back. Moment of the game for me was the spud headed nipper bollocking Ferdinand for his sloppy pass. About time somebody put a rocket up his arse. By the time we play at the council house we will be 7 points clear. I AM KLOOT
18 Mar 2012 16:02:38
Rafael played well today other than his pass in the first half. He can add Jarvis to his pocket with Bale & Ribery. If Terry Cooper used his noggin they would have switched Jarvis to the right and I hate to think what the result would have been then.
Sydney!
18 Mar 2012 15:58:40
Scores on the doors- MUFC 70 points, LFC 42 points. Do you think they still believe KK will bring them the PL this season?
18 Mar 2012 15:56:35
Urmm...interesting, No Cleverley=easy win, Hernandez back with Rooney=lots of goals.....urmm....whats the betting next game we are back with TC and Welbeck up front...lets face it SAF has pinned his hopes on these 2 and we all know he won't back down on them .He should, but he won't!
18 Mar 2012 15:35:05
whoever evans is pretending to be every time hes played the last few weeks then keep it up!!or else ferguson is telling him "today jonny you can be zidane!" hes on fire of late
18 Mar 2012 15:28:32
As happy as I am with the victory and the scoreline, somebody at the club really needs to teach Hernandez how to pass the ball. Too many times our link up play is broken down because Hernandez is mis**tting his passes. I understand that he's a poacher and his two goals today were perfect poacher's goals. But he needs to add more to his game.
Danny Pughnited
18 Mar 2012 15:25:01
Nice to get a win like that. Evans, again, was magnificent, man of the match, easily. Nice to see Fabio and Pogba get on. Valencia was also very good, and it was nice to see Carrick playing as almost an attacking mid.
Percy
18 Mar 2012 14:57:05
If only we weren't a poor, ageing, terrible team, this could be a cricket score! ;-)
GDS
18 Mar 2012 14:51:04
Valencia has been different class today, so glad he's back!
Glad for Hernandez to get a couple goals too
Gav
18 Mar 2012 14:42:18
So glad Valencia is back, i personaly think hes the best out 'n' out right winger in the world, i hope Pogba gets on for atleast 30mins, also think Rafa is playing well.
L.A.7
18 Mar 2012 14:29:43
coasting at half time, thankfully after a sloppy first 20mins
surely Pogba will be given most of the 2nd half now?
Gav
18 Mar 2012 14:23:36
Well done Jonny Evans. First ever goal for us and a cross-field ball for Welbeck's goal that Scholes would be proud of.
Danny Pughnited
18 Mar 2012 14:15:02
Valencia is a massive player to have back. Could be key to winning the league. Great goal.
18 Mar 2012 13:53:19
Evans deserved that goal for the way has been improving and stepping up since Vidic's injury.
18 Mar 2012 13:50:23
Its a shame that we cant see who agrees and disagrees to a particular comment. I suspect we wouldnt see half the disrespectful morons click disagree on posts such as Muamba well wishers.
TK-Red
18 Mar 2012 13:16:35
One of the Ed's mentioned that LIVERPOOL RUMOUR site was most active among all the sites.
That surely cannot be true because almost all posters from the Liverpool site come and $h1t here and add to that the United fans and we all know that the Manchester United page is the most active ;)
MUMBAI_BOY
18 Mar 2012 12:54:56
Man Utd: De Gea, Rafael Da Silva, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Scholes, Welbeck, Hernandez, Rooney. Subs: Amos, Giggs, Smalling, Park, Young, Fabio Da Silva, Pogba
pretty happy with that overall
but where is Nani? and where is Cleverly?
Also, hope Pogba and Smalling get some time in 2nd half
Gav
18 Mar 2012 12:52:10
Damn it, I was one player out. Jones is obviously not 100% so Rafael is playing. Saying that I think he is the best suited to deal with Jarvis.
__________DDG
Rafa__Evans__Ferdy__Evra
_____Carrick__Scholes
Valencia__Rooney__Welbeck
________Hernandez
Sydney!
18 Mar 2012 12:46:59
in my opinion united are in need of a top centre back and centre mid, we clearly need to strengthen the spine of the team, without vidic we have been poor in defense only for de gea's fine form we would have lost many games other than bilbao, as for the midfield the partnership of clevers and pogba is too young for now so we should look to a late 20's midfielder to add experience but move on at the right time for clevers and pogba to start, i think we have missed out massively on snejider would have suited rooney perfectly!
18 Mar 2012 12:39:11
Good luck to wolves today. Get well soon muamba
JJ LFC
18 Mar 2012 11:45:23
Dont think ive ever had tears of sorrow ever brought to my eyes during a game of football.
Extremely distressing for myself. Times like these make you think football is but a mere game in life.
Although not religious, both my thoughts and prayers are with Muamba and his family during this difficult time. Keep strong and i think i say this for fans from all around the world - lets hope and pray he pulls through.
MUFC_DEVIL
#PrayForMuamba
18 Mar 2012 11:42:51
can someone tell me why rooney is not the answer to our midfield problem. top engine, top effort, top vision, running onto whatever wellbeck and hernandez haven't scored. the perfect replacement for scholes surely...
18 Mar 2012 11:25:30
Whatever happened to Mateo Kovacic transfer....Is he still coming?
18 Mar 2012 10:55:38
Excellent news that they revived Fabrice yesterday, I was stunned and haven't felt like that since I last watched a documentary on the Munich disaster. My two year old daughter could see it in my face that something was wrong. Still not out of the woods yet, but fingers crossed he will wake up. You have to applaud the medical staff, the referee for abandoning the game and the PL for making sure there are top doctors at every football match and of course the important equipment needed to help revive him. Seems like it's wrong to talk football, but this is what the site was created for and even though one or two Liverpool fans have upset one or two United fans about the timing, you must remember this is a banter site, even though the banter was grade one on a scale of one to ten. United were scouting Fabrice a couple of years ago when he was making strides in the U21's and playing well for Bolton, I think the resurgence of Pogba & Tunnicliffe convinced us to wait and see how they turned out.
Well on to today's game, I hope the team can push on and make it a four point gap, then the pressure will be on City to beat Chelsea on Wednesday. Young, Park & Giggs played a full game on Thursday so maybe Welbeck & Valencia will start on the flanks? I think we will see Hernandez & Rooney upfront, if Rooney has a knock then perhaps Berbatov & Hernandez. I think because Carrick and Ferdinand went off after an hour they will both start with Scholes partnering Carrick and Evans partnering Ferdinand. Would like to see Fabio at LB, Evra played a full game on Thursday and was truly disappointing. Jones at RB if he has returned from his bout of man flu. Lindegaard is very close to being ready, but no one will move the impressive DDG from between the sticks. What a difference a run of games makes, if Pogba would hurry up and sign he may get a run of games and he will only continue to improve. I see both Pogba and Cleverley getting on the field today, perhaps 20-30 minutes each with Carrick & Hernandez making way. I think Smalling will replace Ferdinand at some point too.
__________DDG
Jones__Evans__Ferdy__Evra.C.
______Carrick__Scholes
Valencia___Rooney___Welbeck
_________Hernandez
Sydney! {Ed004's Note - Where is Nani? Is he injured?}
18 Mar 2012 10:48:19
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdnI-I0Ut4s&feature=related
You legends! best video i've ever seen
DJ
ps.get well soon fabrice
18 Mar 2012 09:33:05
I've got a second team and they're Getafe but that's because they were my local club, to support both United and Madrid really shows the glory Hunter mentality whether you have one or not.
The Moon...................Some one should really explain Irony to The Moon. You couldn't make it up. I AM KLOOT
18 mar 2012 06:29:47
i have a feeling that man utd will sign modric in a player plus money deal with a.young going otherway.....and will be replaced by hazard or gaitan....
bcz man utd currently scouting players like hazard, gaitan, james rodriguez and none of them is cm i think...........
18 Mar 2012 04:05:23
God bless u Fabrice. Hope you recover well.
Mago
18 Mar 2012 02:55:21
EDD just out if interest what is the most popular football site and how long have you been runing
jred {Ed002's Note - LIverpool by a long way and Ed001 started the site something like 10 years ago.}
18 Mar 2012 01:39:38
Please everyone pray for fabrice muamba GOD BLESS HIM
18 Mar 2012 01:13:28
hi eds and fellow fans.
I speak on the behalf of nigerians and africa in general.I want to wish fabrice muamba speedy recovery and pray GOD heals him
My thoughts are with his family and Bolton wanderers fc.
Fabrice muamba,wit JESUS beside you,you would never be alone.
I remain a red devil for life.
Jude.