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18 Sep 2012 23:22:58
Not United related but massive respect to Porto midfielder Lucho Gonzalez who played tonight after being told his father had passed away. He kept news from his team mates and scored the winner.
DB-Red
18 Sep 2012 23:03:30
Don't understand all the love for ronaldo, great player but he is such a selfish person , defo in it for himself ,give me a Rooney character any day of the week over a ronaldo type, this is bound to get slaughtered
roonbest
I beg to differ.
Ronbest
We love Ronaldo because he is the most exciting player to have ever worn the jersey at our club.
Caolán.
You said it slaughtered
If Ronaldo wasn't a United player I would have hated him. A wonderful talent but a selfish player.
Give me 11 ronaldo's over Rooney
everyday of the week not that I don't
Like him ok.
At least Ronaldo follow this heart/dreams!!
Stagmufc {Ed003's Note - or his financial advisors dreams :) }
You would hate him because??
He's that good only Messi is in front.
So you don't like talanted footballer.
People you its headless chickens your
looking for.
Stagmufc
Come on, half of his own teammates don't like him. When he misses a pk and his teammate scores he doesn't celebrate. He was great for our club, the most exciting player I have seen wear our beloved jersey. However, if he never played for us a majority of you would not like him. That's a fact
Youd rather a tubby overrated person than 'GOD'? REALLY? id have ron back over probably the most overated player in the world
Caolán. You are obviously very young if you believe what you say. There was a young boy from Belfast who could do the same things as Ronaldo when he was being kicked from Pillar to post on pitches that were just mud baths with balls made heavy by soaked in water and after spending the night with Miss World. I AM KLOOT
Absolutely KLOOT. I say the same thing regarding Maradona and Messi.
Supasub
After drinking six bottles of Champagne. best is most certainly the most exciting player this club has ever seen, well accept David Bellion of course.
Sydney!
Its all very well saying George Best is the most exciting folks, but how many of you are old enough to have seen him play? Cos I'm not. And old clips of his goals dont count. Surely to judge "the most exciting player to represent the club" you must have actually been excited by the player? Something that doesnt happen from watching old clips. Appreciation? Yes. Excitement? No.
TK-Red
Most exciting player was Danny Pugh. Lad could turn on a sixpence and not just because it was his weekly wage.
TK, I am 28 so never got to see him play live, but have to say whenever I watch him in clips he still gets my heart racing. Then again watching Ronaldo's old clips does too. I do know what you are saying though TK. I watched UCL final in 1999, but if I never watched it live it wouldn't have been as exciting.
Sydney!
I have to disagree TK
when i watch old footage of Best, Charlton and the like I get very excited and very sad that I am not old enough to have been able to watch our legends live. To have been able to sit in the crowd and watch george skip past challenges whilst knee deep in mud must have been the greatest feeling and similar to when Ronnie was wearing the red top of manchester.
I am not saying either is the most exciting player to have worn the shirt but they were seriously entertaining. Just for the record there was a certain french man who made me love watching football and who is the cause of my addiction to it even today.
Paso
That's my point I suppose Syd! You can't understand the drama and emotion of 1999 unless you were there watching live, whether it be at the ground or on TV. I guess there are varying levels of excitement but for me it is a player who gets me off my feet, something that just doesn't happen when watching old clips. As Paso said there is also Eric Cantona to take into account. I only really made my point as RFT proclaimed the OP as being "very young" due to his opinion when IMO you cant expect everyone to have the same views of a player who last played for the club 38 years ago. In 50 years time should we still expect the newer generation of United supporters to think Best as the most exciting? I'm sure there are many who would say Edwards was better than Best. Its all relative.
TK-Red
So the majority clearly like ronaldo, it would be interesting to find out the ages of his adoring fans, I'm betting the guys my age (31) and over would not be so fond of his selfish antics !!
roonbest (witch is a shortened version of Rooney and George 'the best')
Above unnamed, it has nothing to do with peoples age or the players "antics". We are talking about these guys as footballers not what they do or do not demand off the pitch. You think George Best was the model professional do you? Did as he was told? Never had outrageous demands? Dont let nostalgia blind you.
TK-Red
Kloot I should have said most exciting player I have ever seen. Never got to see best just saw videos.
Caolán.
18 Sep 2012 22:54:50
Isco didn't look half bad tonite
He looked brilliant. His viision and playmaking ability are truely unbeleivable. Most malaga fans would even say he was the one dragging the team forward last season and not cazorla, which is saying something. And i beleive he is only second to muniain in terms of young spanish potential.
Mick
18 Sep 2012 22:20:21
Ronnys still sad judging by his celebration still got united in his heart
Superdecs
18 Sep 2012 21:50:58
I celebrated that Ronaldo goal as of he scored it for us! Still tormenting our rivals!
Caolán.
I was limping round the house singing viva ronaldo!
Anon
18 Sep 2012 21:41:51
Ronnie the RED puts the Berties to bed!! Kiss 'em goodnight Ronnie
18 Sep 2012 21:40:59
Ronnie still stickin it to the Citeh lol
18 Sep 2012 21:39:44
No rumour only fact....!!Ronaldo, we love you...!!!
BowlDonBowl
18 Sep 2012 21:36:28
Its been a few years since I involuntarily yelped like that in celebration of a Ronaldo goal.
TK-Red
18 Sep 2012 21:21:13
Yaya toure showing exactly.what we need tonight.
Nozzla
Who could disagree with this please explain. I AM KLOOT
18 Sep 2012 21:16:08
Yaya scares me.
StevieK
Man up and stop being a girl lol
Stagmufc
18 Sep 2012 21:14:43
Hi guys, new poster here. So do you think that Fellaini could be our box to box midfielder. He is still very able with his feet on the floor. Its just that I can't think many players out there fit the bill, but Fellaini certainly does and maybe he is the one that SAF is waiting for as he knows that he will be available in either January or summer? Also, I think that James McCarthy could be the one to replace Anderson should be fail to perform this season.
Fresh!
He is far too slow to be a box to box midfielder. He can be sloppy in possession at times too.
Sydney!
There are plenty of great box to box mifielders out there, Witsel, Khedira, Lars Bender, De Marcos, Asamoah, Moutinho, Cabaye and Vidal are all better players than Fellaini and would be better signings.
Shappy
I agree with Shappy - also worth noting that none of the above have ridicolous haircuts (or lack of)
Witsel?
Mick
18 Sep 2012 21:03:53
Anyone seen RM's bench tonight? Must be the best ever...
Ramos
Coentrao
Benzema
Kaka
Ozil
Modric
Adan (GK)
how many of those would get in our team?
DodgyBanter
Cannot believe Essien started, he is awful now and it's quite easy to see why Chelsea let him go.
Sydney!
Any of those those would get on our starting 11 imo, scary stuff although we will have the same depth on our bench when everyone is back from injury.
I know we have 4 forwards but benzema is something else - Fergie sign him up ;)
Giants14
18 Sep 2012 20:47:35
If you notice Madrid, they are playing a midfield 3 of Alonso, Essien and Khedira. Essien and Khedira in particular have obviously been choosen to combat the power of Yaya Toure and Javi Garcia. Essien and Khedira are very combatative and are doing a very good job of driving forward, getting the ball back and pushing Madrid up the pitch. That is clearly something that we couldn't do in my opinion as we still don't have that player - regardless of how Fletcher does on his return or not.
Cleverly, Scholes and Carrick are more passers. Some players like Scholes and Carrick sit deeper and are not a box2box player like Toure for example. Anderson could be but isn't, Fletcher could be but still isn't as physically imposing, and Tunnicliffe in all honesty is unlikely to be ready.
Our central midfield has a lot of the future in place already, Powell and Cleverly will be excellent, we just need that one more player. We could rue missing out on Javi Garcia who really did go for a bargain price. I wonder who the player could be that we need, thoughts?
RedDevil19
Pogba
Wilbur
II would hardly call 25 mils a bargain price, especially since we got rvp ( one of the worlds best players ) for 20 mils and kagawa for 15 or so .
Mick {Ed002's Note - RvP was £27M.}
Afternoon Ed002, is that just transfer fee alone? How much of it is add-ons? Thanks.
And is the salary as high as the £220k a week reported? thanks again.
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - That was the registered transfer fee Syd.}
Ed002, that is much higher than many anticipated. I guess no one can say that the owners aren't backing the manager now. £27m plus on a 29 year old with a history of injuries is a massive gamble.
Can I ask is a registered fee the possible full amount? For example Kagawa cost £12m possibly rising to £17m. Would the fee be registered as £17m? Thanks. Arsene is a hard bargainer, our manager did say as much.
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - The fee registered by Manchester United for Kagawa is £14M.}
18 Sep 2012 19:37:36
Hope Madrid annihilate City tonight, Should give them a wake up call that winning the league doesn't make you the best in the world.
-JakeW
But it does make them the best in the country last season, posts like this make you sound bitter. Citeh won the title last season fair and square, and put up a reasonable showing in Madrid last night, we have our work cut out to beat them this season -but I think we will.
DodgyBanter
"Citeh won the title last season fair and square".
That's if you discount the humungous amount of 'financial doping' that underpinned it, of course.
I don't discount it however, and anyone who thinks they won it 'fair and square' is deluded.
Red Rob
18 Sep 2012 18:45:34
The financial statement today to me is encouraging, yes, it would be better if we had no debt, but that is what it is and figures are moving in the right direction.
We can buy quality players and still make a healthy net profit, unlike the likes of Liverpool who are going to take another huge hit again.
Sorry guys I'm the poster of this one, I hate no name posts too ffs!!
Flyhalf(Mitch)
Sorry have to disagree the latest set of accounts are far from encouraging with revenue streams as they are there is no way Man United shoud have a post tax loss and bear in mind the figures also included a tax credit of £28 million.
Yes the club are expecting growth due to deals already signed but much of the growth is based on increased TV rights
Revenue streams are such that profit and monies for transfers are dependent on progression past the quaters in the CL. If the club were to suffer a season or maybe two not qualifying then there would be even more problems.
It seems all the monies from the floation went into the Glazers pockects and looking at the share price there is no way thay another flotation will happen again any time soon so I would expect them to need to take the same sort o monies out the club and that will no doubt come from the anticiapted growth in income as oppossed to more monies being availabe to SAF.
Making huge losses and cannot afford quality players.
Sydney!
Is that the real Sydney?
Pardoe
No name, so the club spend nearly £50m on interest, costs etc and £50m on transfers and still make a profit, even though the club went out at the group stages of the UCL and you do not think these figures are encouraging? This is excluding the £34m extra TV money from 2014, excluding the extra £20m a year from GM Motors from 2014 (extra £11m from now) and the new mind blowing Nike deal that will be negotiated for 2014 which will easily be an extra £20m a season? So there's £74m extra there mate.
Profit and monies for transfers are not based on whether or not we can get past the quarters in the UCL. This last year is proof of that by the club spending £49.6m on players. All the club are saying is fiscal figures are based on us getting to the quarter finals and remaining in the top four of the EPL. You can try and put a dampener on things as much as you want, but we are in great financial shape and will only get stronger.
Sydney!
Pards, yes mate I was talking about Liverpool.
Sydney!
Without the tax credit syd we would of made a loss
johndenton
John, that's just like saying without the gate monies we would have made a loss, or without the DHL sponsorship we would have made a loss. Tax credit is part of all club's income. In 2010/11 it was £27m, this time it was £28m.
Sydney!
Johndenton,
What a silly post, we know you hate the Glazers and want to be negative all the time, but deary me that was a silly thing to say.
As Sydneys post quite rightly said, you can't just say 'without this we would be'. 'Without losing to Basle in the group stage we would have got to the 2nd round'...
GDS
18 Sep 2012 18:19:49
sorry guys,its ferdinand not evans and ddg is not playing,sometimes i do not understand saf.ddg on the bench why does saf do this things!?enjoy the games tonight guys zee:)
Should I tell him or does someone else want too.......
CnM
He's living in the future, perhaps he can tell us the result later so we can all put a bet on...
Flyhalf(Mitch)
18 Sep 2012 18:11:50
todays team is:lindegaard,rafael,vidic,evans,buttner.scholes,carrick.valencia,kawaga,nani.van persie.zee:)
Perhaps you could tell us what tomorrows team will be too?
TK-Red
The match is tomorrow night (Wednesday) zee.
Flyhalf(Mitch)
Am I missing somethink is it Wednesday
Ross
Ps top of the dream team league
I'd forgotten to check The Sun one but I'm in 17th. Fairly happy with that at this stage.
TK-Red
Hes foreign so im guessing time difference?
Anon
Time difference doesn't equate to time travel
18 Sep 2012 17:33:52
So here's a guess for the next 2 matches:
Galatasaray
Beginning of the CL so SAF would want the pts at home
DDG
Rafa Ferdi Evans Evra
Valencia Carrick Scholes Giggs
Kagawa
RVP
Subs: Welbeck, Chico, Cleves, Vidic might come in depending on the situation.
Liverpool
SAF hopefully will not go for a draw like last year
DDG
Evans Ferdi Vidic Butt
Valencia Cleves Carrick Nani
Kagawa
RVP
Subs: Scholes and Chica might be in if we need goals.
Thats just my point of view by the way. But I am sure I'll be very close.
You guys can shoot me after you see the teams for the next 2.
LongDuckDong
Why on earth would you put Evans at right back?
TK-Red
He's sure he'll be very close TK... Did you not see that bit? That's enough for me, Evans at rightback it is.
DodgyBanter
Now you mention it, I always did think that Evans was always a wolf (RB) in sheeps (CB) clothing. Just you watch him start at right back and get 3 assists from marauding down the right wing now. Egg right on my face.
TK-Red
18 Sep 2012 17:13:22
i think i speak for everyone in saying we want nani out and a cm in so what about danny from zenit they were intrested in nani and we need a cm a swap deal plus cash from us would be alright. i know he isnt the kind of cm we need but he can keep the ball hes very skillful and can suply the strikers
Trust me, you don't speak for everyone.
Percy
Rather have Sneijder or Eriksen. Danny isn't all that good, doesn't get ahead of Nani or Moutinho in the Portugal side.
RedDevil19
RD, Danny would be one of the first names on the Portugal team sheet!
Nani plays as a winger so I'm not sure what sense that makes, and Danny is far more attacking than Moutinho.
To be honest, what you've just said is equal to saying Xavi doesn't get in the Barcelona side because Villa and Iniesta are ahead of him.
silly logic!
Anyway, Danny is a great attacker but is to similar to Cleverley, personally I would rather have clevs.
Not to mention it remains to be seen how Danny will return from his career threatening injury, he might not be half the player he was this time last year.
Percy - Nani is off mate, the sooner you accept that the better. I think you're the only person on the planet besides Nani himself who genuinely thinks he's a top class talent. It's okay though, I used to quite like Obertan.
The Moon.
Out of those options Eriksen a mile ahead of Sneijder ahead of Danny
Don't speak for me either ;)
DodgyBanter
Don't speak for me - I agree with Percy on this one.
Mike
Nor me. I'm quite happy with Nani.
TK-Red
The Moon
Surely you point about Danny being one of the first names on the team sheet is wrong as they normally play with a central 3 of Veloso, Moutinho, and Meireles.
Of course with his drop in form Danny could come in and swap with Meireles but he isnt going to take a place from the others.
As for a few years ago when Danny moved to Zenit to replace Arshavin he was given a regular place in the national team on the wing/inside forward which since then Nani has claimed one as his own, Obviously Ronaldo the other and a striker in the 3rd position.
i will agree with you that Danny is a good player, and that he is similar to Cleverley. I would however say he is far much more like Kagawa though, as Danny doesn't seem to be able to operate in a midfield 2 and needs to be placed behind the striker for most impact.
Paso
18 Sep 2012 17:07:43
Ed Woodward (MUFC executive vice chairman) confirms that gross spend from July-Sept was £29m. That was the costs of RVP, Buttner & Henriquez. We know Buttner was £3.9m and Henriquez was £4m so if we say agent fees and signing on fees were at 10%, that would be around £800k extra. So £8.7m. That leaves £20m for Van Persie. Then if you bare in mind that his signing on fee and agent fees would have been at least 10% (bare minimum), this means at the most he has initially cost is around £18m, probably lower.
Sydney!
That wont include add ons or staged payments
jred
I think buttner may hav cost rond 2mil rising to 3.9
sulei
It's initial costs of course.
Sydney!
Makin the intital rvp bid 20mil
sulei
You could well be right Sulei mate.
Sydney!
It would depend what we initially paid for butts and henriquez but i would guess initial fee of 20 mill for rvp with about 5 mill in add ons
jred
Anyone think if £20 M is the number that it was a bad deal? I think it is one if the best signings of the summer... Could win us the Prem.
DodgyBanter
£20m plus £2m or £4m in add-ons I think it is. Some media sources think it's £22m, some think £24m.
Sydney!
18 Sep 2012 16:43:43
If Malky gets Cardiff City into Premier League he would be a very good outside bet to succeed Sir Alex, especially as they get on so well together.
Redbird
I follow Cardiff and I'm a fan of Malky but he's got an awful lot of work to do and success to attain before he's even considered for that job. He would need a few successful years in the PL as a bare minimum, even then I'm not sure he'd be ready
Gav
By that logic if getting a team promoted is all it takes to get on the short list then that makes big Sam a contender.....
Malky just as good as o'Farrell, Big Ron
and the Doc. Admittedly he's no Alex Ferguson but who is ? Certainly Malky is as good as Rodgers and better than Hughes; Hughton; De Matteo etc. So not as ridiculous as it may sound.
18 Sep 2012 13:25:32
hi guys,what do u guys think about silvestre when he used 2 play 4 us,do u guys think he did a better job then evra is doing now?i mean can we compare them like who has more assisst or goals (stats)someone or ed004 plesae could u plesae send a post about that,thanks zee:) {Ed004's Note - Assists or goals don't show how effective a defender is IMO}
Evra at his peak was a much better LB in my eyes, whether Silvestre WAS as good as Evra in NOW is a different matter
Gav
17 Sep 2012 20:47:00
Eds please do you think there's any chance of Fabio coming back from loan to have a place now on LB especially with the dazzling and sterling form of Buttner? Would love him to move to RB to compete with his twin bro Rafael.
SAMFORD01 {Ed004's Note - Culdnt call it dazzling and sterling form it was only one game...}
18 Sep 2012 15:44:10
Manchester United is counting the cost of last season's shock early exit from the Champions League as it today said revenues dropped by 3.3% to £320 million in the year to the end of June.
Lower broadcast revenue because of its elimination in the group stages of the competition led to about £13 million being wiped off TV revenues. At the same time, gate receipts were hit by hosting fewer home games, and the wage bill at the club has risen by about 10% from 2011.
The blow to the bottom line has been softened by greater commercial activity. The club posted a pre-tax loss of £4.7 million for the financial year, down from a profit of £12 million the previous 12 months.
The company had total debt of GBP436.9 million as of June 30, down 4.8% from a year earlier
18 Sep 2012 15:25:23
Manchester United's profits for the year to June 30 are up 79.2% to £23.3m. The club was boosted by a rise of almost 15% in sponsorship revenues to £63m. That is including Kagawa transfer but excluding RVP + Büttner deals. Not bad considering the early exit from CL last year.
18 Sep 2012 15:24:58
£10.7m exceptional costs is (failed IPO and successful IPO).
Earlier I said the debt was £436.9m, this isn't including the IPO £68m (not £63m), so gross debt stands at £368.9m.
As cash equivalents stand at £70.6m, net debt currently stands at £298.3m.
Sydney!
Will the cash equivalents not be spent through out the season wages blah blah blah
Not on wages, but on bond interest. Net debt isn't that important, gross debt is what really matters.
Sydney!
18 Sep 2012 14:44:33
Gross debt stands at £437m, but will of course be £373m due to the £63m IPO cash. I expected around £360m, but with the club £11m worse off than last year due to the UCL, £373m seems about right.
Net finance costs £49.5m, net spend £49.6m, so plenty of cash-flow being made available for transfers, but can you imagine what we would have to spend with no cash going towards debt?
Sydney!
Thats my point exactly syd
jred
Jred, I should have wrote: "but can you imagine what we COULD have to spend", not WOULD. Even if we had the extra cash-flow it doesn't mean we would spend it on transfers. I am not sure many can moan about what we have spent in the past two seasons. It's more than I envisaged.
Sydney!
Syd
maybe we would maybe we wouldn't but imagine if we could/would
jred
Jred, completely agree mate. However even if we spent half on players and half on building the South Stand I would be happy. Just as long as the money is going back into the club.
Sydney!
18 Sep 2012 14:30:33
Overall revenue turnover is £320.3m, down £11m (due to early UCL exit). This does not include the £11m from GM Motors. Nor does it include the Bwin, Toshiba Medical Systems, Yanmar, Fuji TV, Santander, Shinsei Bank and MBNA sponsorships.
Net Transfer expenditure was £49.6m.
Sydney!
18 Sep 2012 13:41:55
The Sneijder and Varane rumours have been started by caughoffside. They are very rarely right so its just words on a page with next to no fact in them. However, the Sneijder / Nani thing does sound plausible if we are to get rid of Nani as we could go for a straight swap and get a world class midfielder.
This could be a possible line up I suppose:
____________De Gea
Rafael__Ferdinand__Vidic__Buttner
________Carrick__Cleverly
Rooney_____Sneijder_____Kagawa
____________RVP
Having RVP and Sneijder through the middle would work brilliantly. Rooney would not stick to the right nor would Kagawa so it would be very fluid. Both Rafael and Buttner like to get forward and would provide us with width anyway. And as we have already seen, there is going to be plenty of rotation this year so Valencia, Welbeck, Chicharito etc would still get plenty of games.
What a technically gifted starting XI that is though...
RedDevil19 {Ed004's Note - I think we would need a true DM for that team Carrick wouldn't be enough IMO}
Please can you stop posting everyday with how our team would look with RUMOURED players RD19. Sneijder will not be coming in AND Rooney will NEVER play wide right.
Simple as that.
No, I can't stop posting everyday. I might even do it more now to wind you up!
RedDevil19
Where have you appeared from "Simple As That"?! Do you not understand it is RD19's mission in life to post more than 3Billion different team selection and formation combinations... He's over halfway now!
(makes me chuckle everything RD19 - but I always enjoy agreeing/disagreeing with the sense/tripe that you post! ;)
DodgyBanter
No name he has the right to post what he wants, stop being a sour puss.
Anon
18 Sep 2012 13:24:29
think you boys should put down your controllers and turn fifa off. Three at the back? Really? First off the only defenders we have that would be really comfortable with that is smalling and rio and how many games do those boys miss? Secondly the only teams i've seen play it last season were Barca and Italy. Barca quickly abandoned it when it didn't work. Italy were dull. I don't think it plays to our strengths. It seems a lot of people are saying it just to get valencia in the side as a wing back so they can have a forward four of kagawa, rooney, nani and van persie. It leaves centre midfield looking week. By taking a player out the middle to put in the back line your surrendering the midfield which is already our weakest area. I get the argument of finding our own style but three at the back isn't it. I don't think its workable with the current personnel. It would take a season to adapt. Do we have the time? I doubt fergie has even thought of it. How about we stick to what we're good at and spend money on buying players to make us better at that rather than faffing about on an alien system that doesn't suit us. Three at the back when most teams play one up front?
You play Rio/Smalling and Evans/Vidic with Jones just in front of them.
Sydney!
I agree that 3 at the back is certainly not likely whilst AF is at the helm. I'd like to see us play a fluid 4231 but with a strong holding midfielder brought in as one of the '2' in CM
Gav
Sydney that would be better but isn't a 3some at the back its just a dm dropping back which Fergie says he wont ever play with.
I think the whole argument is academic as Fergie wont do it. We're more likely to go 4231, 4132, 433 or 442 before any 3 at the back jobbies.
18 Sep 2012 13:02:50
I see RVP had a strap around his calf today in training, he was the only one who had it on.
Anybody know why? Hopefully nothing!
MPez
Just safety cause.
TRUMORS
He has worn it for the last two seasons... It is just strapping on his calf, every player has some sort of strapping you just can't see it
RedKnight
18 Sep 2012 12:27:19
Syd any news on this financial report u mentioned last night?
RMD
Not as yet, the Telegraph and Mail are reporting that United will turnover between £315m-£320m this time round due to the early exit of the UCL. I think it will be slightly higher. I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the £330's again. We will see.
Sydney!
Utd just announced turnover to 30th june dropped by 3.3%
johndenton
18 Sep 2012 11:07:43
__________DDG
Rafa__Evans___Vidic__Butt
_____Clevers__Anders
L.Nani____Kagawa____Young
___________RVP
This is my team for Galatasaray. I Think Lindegaard, Carrick, Scholes, Valencia & Ferdinand will be rested on the bench. Welbeck and Hernandez to make up the other positions on the bench. I fully expect Rooney to return against Liverpool.
Banter please Ed.
Sydney!
Good team Sydney! - would be my choice
Mike
If Young is still ruled out I think Valencia will step in and Powell will take the extra spot on the subs bench. I think Giggs will be left out altogether.
Sydney!
That is the side I think will play as well. The only change I could see is Welbeck for Young because Young is just back, we have options there and if Rooney is back soon Welbeck will obviously have less playing time in future. I would however, love to see Powell given a start. Unlikely to happen though so I'll settle for 30 mins off the bench for him.
Rjmanutd
I would really like to see this team..
I think the tempo of our play with this group would be faster and more eye catching...
I can not see fergie playing them though...
would be great to see....
OXred
I dont think young will start , and i would expect both carrick and toni to start
jred
I definitely see Powell making another sub appearance. He stepped up when asked to come on, he deserves a place on the bench.
I think scholes could start considering he was substituted early in the sat game
nikz
Agree with jred, I think Valencia will definitely start and quite possibly Carrick too. Hopefully in place of Young and Anderson respectively. I'd go with the rest of Syd's lineup though
Gav
p.s. I'm going to the game tomorrow night, my first trip up from South Wales this season - can't wait! I'm just hoping both Kagawa and RVP are fit to start so I get a good look at them (in a footballing sense lol)
18 Sep 2012 08:07:43
windy city red where did i say a preference for old style english centre halves? I just said it wouldn't work in the english league. No one plays that way. Not england nor in europe. You listed a few hybrid defenders as you called them. Notice that none of them are british. Four of our five first team centre halves are british and vidic is as old style as you can get. So your system wouldn't work with the players we have. Now if we went and signed a couple of your hybrids or produced some through the academy then its worth thinking. But as jred said do you see the manager playing three at the back.
I disagree, I think our defenders could learn to play this system. Smalling Evans and Jones have all played at full back which would give them the ability to play on either side of Vidic as the central centre back. Micheal Keane and Tyler Blackett coming through would be able to play in such a way as well. All are young and still learning their trade and making slight adjustments at this stage wouldn't be an issue.
Like I said previously just because no one else plays like this currently that doesn't mean we shouldn't. We shouldn't copy what everyone else does but find our own way of playing and that could be with three at the back.
Like I said playing with a DM would be the better option but we don't have anyone who can play that role so we need to look at other ways of playing.
Shappy
I don't think our manager will make the switch to 3 at the back at any point before he retires TBH
Gav
Shappy Smaaling and maybe Evans may adapt, Jones needs a lot of work. Too late for Rio and Vidic.
We don't play with a DM and Fergie has said he never intends to use one.
There is a reason no one plays with this system, its by and large outdated in an era of lone strikers and support strikers.
I agree with developing our own style but this more likely to be a 4 2 1 3.
18 Sep 2012 06:27:43
I was interested in who the English teams were playing in Europe this week. I googled Young Boys.....I won't be doing that again.
AJH