Manchester United Banter Archive April 19 2013

 

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19 Apr 2013 22:03:49
Some may disagree with me but I think one of the worst things Sir Alex did with Rooney was make him a 'Work rate player' who put in a shift to help out a weak midfield which caused him to never be up in attack. If we left him as a main striker like he used to be I think he would be in a different situation right now.

Kagawa is the type of man united want behind a striker, picks the killers passes and connects the attack to the midfield.

Rooney has nothing in ability wise compared to Kagawa, Gotze, Mata, Silva etc. He is just placed in the CF role to help out Carrick due to weak midfielders place in the squad.

Hasn't anybody noticed when Rooney plays more attacking we are so much better? I don't want him on the half way line trying to make a world class ball.

Maybe buying a midfielder who can dominate a game such as Strootman, Rooney might regain his previous form, but as we all know he isn't the fittest player and his days at our club seem to be numbered.

Replacement wise I will say it's a NEED to get Gotze and Lewandowski. Lewandowski for the goals he scores and hopefully we pick him up this summer. As Ed002 has previously said Gotze may have interest shown in him again by United and 2014 seems more likely? (Sorry if incorrect). I chose him because he is just an absolutely amazing player who is a genius in football with kagawa's style but with a good workrate similar to Rooney's and scores 10+ goals a season and still only 20. He would play so good alongside Kagawa, RVP and Lewandowski. Looking like he will be up there with the best in a few years time.

Who would you lot think would be the best replacement for Rooney if sold? I chose 2 because they would both improve the first team.

-JakeW

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I agree with a lot of this Jake but I'm not convinced leaving him up front as a second striker would have helped much. His first touch has been awful for much of this season and his pace has gone.
Interesting to see what SAF does, he's clearly lost trust in Rooney and when that's happened with other players in the past they've been moved on quickly, sometimes at a lower price than was expected.

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I'm in agreement with you pal. I'm hoping united act on interest for lewondowski and agree you would need another player like gotze, isco, ozil and Gatian. If we were to bring in one player to replace Rooney then I would go all out for bale, would never happen but feel he would get 15 goals + and is exactly the type of player united need. My worry is Rooney is kept and moved to cm and no other midfielder is brought in. Tom17

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I honestly don't see the signing of a high profile striker as a necessity. I'm just hoping for 1 or 2 solid midfielders to come in with Strootman looking a good possibility. Goetze would be the ideal signing for Utd, but there's not way he'll leave Dortmund, at least not this summer. And the thought of getting Lewandowski too? Will Dortmund sell us their whole team?

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19 Apr 2013 23:54:51
Theres no way Dortmund will sell us two of their players in one window. We went for Lewandowski last summer and was told as much as we'd already signed Kagawa. Gotze will stay at Dortmund for another year imo. The more I think about it though the more i'm sold on the idea of signing a striker.

If Rooney is sold this summer which is looking a distinct possibilty atm then that will leave us with Rvp Hernandez and Welbeck upfront.
Now Rvp has had injury problems in the past and isn't getting any younger, can we rely on him going all next season without injury?
Welbeck imo is more of an inside forward rather than an out and out striker and his goal return hasn't been very impressive so far. You certainly wouldn't want him to be your main striker in a key game.
Hernandez has shown he is more effective coming off the bench, he doesn't have the all round game to lead the line for us. He is an excellent option to bring on to grab a goal, but that's about it.

So with Rooney gone we need another world class striker to act as competition and cover for Rvp.

I think Lewandowski is the best option available, we should go all out for him, he has one year left on his contract, has said he'd like to play for us, and Dortmund would rather he didn't go to their main domestic rival. So I would say that puts us in pole position to sign the pole, if we want him.

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Lewandowski, Modric, Gaitan/Rodriguez would be brilliant.

Sorry forgot we need a left back

Shahram

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I'd like to see Rooney back up front with VP or and Chico as 3 rotated strikers (i. e. perm any 2 from 3) with Strootman and Alcantara as signings.

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There are lots of ways we can go about it. 4-3-3 in my opinion is a good one but I don't see a SAF team without wingers. A midfield 3 or Alcantara, Carrick & Strootman would be excellent, albeit, unlikely.

The best option is that we play the 4-2-3-1. Strootman and Carrick in midfield, Kagawa in the hole behind RVP and two wingers. I just have a feeling that at some point in the summer we will put in a big bid for Bale. don't know why, just a feeling that I have. I fancy that a deal for Lewandowski has probably been almost wrapped up and he will join along with Zaha. Strootman we will move for quickly. That just leaves a wide man. hopefully we will go big on Bale or Ronaldo.

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Jake, although I agree with some of your points and what you are getting at overall I can't believe nobody has questioned one thing you said early in your post? You question Rooneys ability? I don't think that has been his problem at all, he has more ability than any of the players you mentioned, I don't think I am blinkered saying that. The problem is his performance levels, which is a different thing altogether. I could probably not fill a hand of players I would rather have at the club than an in form, fit, confident, consistant Wayne Rooney, which isn't what we have had for a couple of years.
Invisible STuey

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Stuey what I was trying to say is Rooney in ability wise right now is extremely low compared to the likes of Gotze, Ozil etc.

He just seems to have no flair or special features to his game and if it wasn't for his workrate we wouldn't see him as much in the game.

When I see Rooney one on one with the defender nothing happens from it. 5 years ago he would have taken his man and flew past him. Now he passes it out to the wing or tries one of his wonder shots where 8 times out of 10 they aren't on target. Obviously when they do go in it's a great feeling but he just hasn't got the speed or passing ability to fit into this 'modern game' we are trying to create.

Just look at Kagawa he shows the kind of ability we need behind a striker, someone who can make something out of nothing.

-JakeW

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I'm sorry, but what's the hype around Gaitan? I've watched him several times, and feel he is average.

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Also, I'd quite happily str8 swap Rooney for Ozil, or Goetze! Lol

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Gaitan was a decent prospect last season but this season he has been average at best IMO. Could just be a spark of bad form.

-JakeW

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Gaitan is not average, he has great ball control and touch even when crowded and has an excellent cross. He is by far better than anything we have on the left side, which includes Welbeck and Young.

Shahram

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19 Apr 2013 19:43:42
I've been waiting for a Rooney a la 2011 performance from him but am getting increasingly impatient as it doesn't seem to be coming (really hope i'm wrong!)

Up here in dream land i'd like to offer Barcelona a new forward option in Rooney in exchange for fabregas and Sanchez? Think that's fair :P

Safwetrust87

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19 Apr 2013 17:38:47
Just a bit of fun banter, out of the following signings, which do you think was the worst :
Bellion, bartez, obertan, tosic, Anderson, young, veron, Bebe, Carroll, djemba djemba, blanc, kleiberson?
And the best :
Cantona, Ronaldo, vidic, Rio, Keane, schmeichel, hughes (I'm not including the home grown players).
For me, the worst was kleiberson, and the best was a toss up between, cantona and Ronaldo.
Nomidfield

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19 Apr 2013 18:04:16
cantona best taibi worst. How does blanc make the list thought he was alright.

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Anderson because of the cost even though he is better than some the guys you have listed.

Ronaldo without a question.


Shahram

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Best no question was cantona, without him I don't think we would have won in 92 and gone on to dominate since,
worst would prob be a toss up between djemba-djemba or tiabi, will never forget 'that' goal for as long as I shall live

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Best: The Great Dane
Worst: Obertan

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Worst - William Prunier (not on the list I know)
Best - Cantona due to the impact it had on us as a club but a very very close 2nd is Ronaldo.

Brendan81

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I thought blanc was okay? ( I didn't seen much of him) but worst ever has be bebe! 7 million boys in our school have more ability! The best for me is cristiano! Love that man

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Kleiberson as worst for me always made me laugh when he played and best for me its cantona because of what he done for the club and what we was before he came that why he edges it over ronaldo for me

dio

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Laurent Blanc was certainly not a worst buy and shouldn't be in the list. Interesting that Rooney isn't figuring in any " best buy" lists.

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Brendan - did we actually buy Prunier, or was he just signed on loan/trial? (my memory's not what it was. ). Good call, anyway, along with Bebe Dj-Dj and Gary Birtles!

TommyH

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TommyH he came on trial to play in the reserves but due to injuries he had to be played in the 1st team in 2 games, one he was average against QPR and the other we conceded 4 against Spurs and he left soon after.

Brendan81

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Well Tosic has turned out to be a decent winger, probably better than some of our wingers. Bebe has to be the worst, most overpriced player in the history of the game. And the best is Ronaldo for me.

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Agree with Brendan, Cantona for the impact, was the missing piece from us being nearly men, the catalyst for the domincance and a fantastic influence in terms of admiration and respect for Fergies fledgings breaking through.
Talent wise though Ronaldo the best player in my lifetime, and Schmeichel the best keeper I have ever seen.
As for the worst Vellion and Obertan were cheap gambles, Barthez was ok until the last few months and clangers, Anderson started off very well, Veron wasnt as bad as made out he just disrupted the Giggs/Keane/Scholes. Beckham formation and didn't fit into our style of play, Djemba was rubbish but cheap, sure Kleberson was bought for Ronaldhino coming in which didn't happen and Blanc was a cheap experienced stop gap. For me Tosic and Bebe have to be the worst as relatively high fees paid for both, fair bit of hype for both and neither barely set foot on the pitch, saying that Taivi was the most embarrassing along with Prunier, both were truly awful and barely lasted the time of a womans menstrual cycle which says it all
Invisible STuey

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Worst would have to be Ralph Milne or Bebe (£7M!).

Best is tough - Schmeichel as he was cheap and the best in the world, Eric for the impact he had

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Ronaldo for best due to where he is at now and how much we made on him.

Cantona could be chosen too because if we didn't sign him we may not be where we are at today.

Worst for me Bebe mainly because I am better than him and that is saying something!

But also Young has disappointed me other than one or two 'wonder goals' he has done nothing for the shirt he is wearing and IMO should be at a club like Sunderland or Aston Villa, he is just an average player in a bad team when he was at Villa.

-JakeW

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Harsh to say Prunier was average against QPR. He didn't put a foot wrong and hit the bar at the other end it's just a shame for him that he is remembered for that Spurs game when he had to play alongside a young Gary Neville at CB. The club offered him an extended trial which he turned down.

TK-Red

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Djemba djemba so good they named him twice. not
Cantona best, what an impact

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We offered Prunier an extension as we needed cover in case of another defensive nightmare, I think he turned it down as he knew he was well out of his depth. He did hit the bar with a belter but even Bebe has done that i'm sure :-)

Its interesting seeing everyones thoughts on the subject though I have to say.

Brendan81

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19 Apr 2013 17:04:41
I hope that United offer Rooney a contract that he is worth, more than £2. 50 but much much less than £220k. I would offer him no more than 150k, and I think on form, that is generous. Personally I think he should be sold. The problem with him is that he is a problem for the starting line up as he is actually not world class at anything but he is fairly good at most things. He's not as good as RVP is up top, he is not as good in the whole as Kagawa and he is not a natural central midfielder. He is causing more problems for the team selection than he is worth.

Think about it logically. Without Rooney, and just two signings we could have this team, a fairly settled team without constant rotation which in my mind throws out the teams passing. The team would have the usual back four and keeper. Someone to partner Carrick, Kagawa in behind RVP and two new wingers. Having Kagawa settled behind RVP would be ideal, they would forge a good partnership. Strootman alongside Carrick is perfect. The back four and keeper are pretty good providing Evra is switched on. We could then just do with one or two wide players. Realistically just one. If Valencia returns to form as he showed signs of doing against the Hammers then that is the right side sorted as Rafael and he are very very good (referring to last season). Just the left hand side. Any of Rodriguez, Gaitan, Ronaldo, Bale, Lamela, Gotze would instantly improve us and finish of the side.

Re-posting this without a team. Original post has a team but its in the team section.

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Wilfried Zaha has already been signed, can't see any more wide men signing.

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I don't think we need zaha, young, nani, Ronaldo and Valencia as wingers! I think Ronaldo and zaha will be sufficient, providing we keep Valencia for cover.
Nomidfield

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19 Apr 2013 16:28:55
rooney's contract is entering its last 2yrs meaning he will (reportedly) be on £220,000 a week with his final yr rising to £250,000. that's over £11million and £13million a yr respectively, surely if we were to sell him it would make sense financially to sell him, for what he is CURRENTLY bringing to the team, he is simply not worth that sort of cost, if PSG are seriously interested the £25m figure would seem about right.

afterall, if he were to sign an extension, he is not exactly likely to take a wage cut (especially after what he said last time) and would probably expect a 4/5 yr contract, so would cost us 52-65 million in wages for a declining player.

i just can't see that happening, especially when you could easily get another striker in for under 150,000pw - under 8m a yr. interestingly only rooney, rvp and rio earn over 100,000 pw.

Now I know I haven't included what rooney brings in to the club (shirt sales etc) but that value will continue to decrease as his performances get steadily worse and such sales could easily be replaced (were rooney to be sold) with top names coming in ie falcao/rvp

given the model the glazers ran their american football team under, I fully expect that the costs to keep rooney (including his declining impact on the pitch and relationship with SAF) far exceed the need to retain him, thus I fully expect to see him leave this summer

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19 Apr 2013 16:55:11
Can you name any other player in recent years, on his wage, on his form and of his age who sold for £25 million.

Any club would be truly off their collective nut to pay that!

You need to cash in on the likes of him, Anderson, Nani, Valencia, Welbeck and Cleverly whilst they've got some worth.

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Its a testament to how commited to the club top class players like Vidic, Evra, Carrick have been to the club when they earn I think between 60k p/w and 90k p/w. Rooney is well worth selling. For what he earns we could get at least two top players on between 100k and 150k p/w.

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I honestly believe he would still go for 30-35 million if we sold him.

Shahram

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19 Apr 2013 23:44:01
To who Shahram? you need buyers to push the price up, realistically the only clubs who'd come in for him are PSG and maybe Zenit or Anzhi. He will point blank no go to Russia which only leaves us with one buyer. Remember when we sold Becks? he should have gone for more than he did but he only wanted Real so he went for 25m rather than the 30m+ he should have at the time, and Beckham had far more suiters at the time than Rooney will have now. As I said earlier none of the Italian teams will want him, nor the Spanish teams, Bayern wouldn't go for him with Pep in charge, and he certainly isn't a Dortmund type player. So the only other option would be to sell to a Prem team, no one but Chelsea and City could afford his wages. City don't need him and I can't see him going to Chelsea. They already have better players in Mata Hazard and Costa to play in the hole and they seem far more interested in Falcao or Cavani upfront.

So with PSG the only viable option why would they bid more than 25m? {Ed004's Note - Monacco?}

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20 Apr 2013 00:28:08
They are an option Ed but can you see a bidding war between the two french clubs? Rooney would want champions league football and only PSG can offer that. Like it or not Wayne will have a big say on where he goes, which will only serve as to limit the amount we could get for him. {Ed002's Note - There won't be a "bidding war" between PSG and Monaco for Rooney.}

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Shappy

As you know funny things happen in the transfer season. Whilst he is not someones radar at the moment, player movements and various developments in the window, will also change a clubs view and desire to look at a player.

May be it is wishful thinking on my behalf but he does have huge branding value for certain clubs and still will produce 15-20 goals a season.

shahram {Ed002's Note - Why not share with us your idea about "branding" and which clubs will be interested.}

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Ed002

He is a very high profile player globally and has a certain appeal to the likes of PSG, Monaco, RM, City.

Depending how the striker merry go round goes in this window and who goes where given the limited number of strikers available, I can see other teams having an interest.

The same goes for us, we might have a preference for a player for a certain position but if that is not attainable we look at other options which might have not been initially part of our plans.

Anyway not too far now so we shall see hoe the summer transfer dealings come about. I also think a lot of this will depend on united clearly signaling they are willing to look at offers for him.


Shahram {Ed002's Note - You are over playing Rooney's global appeal - and have yet to explain to me how this "branding" would be of benefit to the likes of PSG?}

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As dissapointing as Rooney has been for a while, I would like to flip the coin to those saying who would pay more than £25m for Rooney? Tell me this (forgetting his wages), if we sold Rooney for £25m who an earth could we buy as a direct replacement for him for £25m??
Invisible STuey

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Ed002 if you are club that is looking to get some global recognition or as they call it the project, it does help to sign some players who have an appeal and recognition gob ally. I doubt there are a lot of people in Asia who know who Verrati is or Matsuidi but they sure know who Rooney is.

Anyway this was about what he would go in the market and I still think he will go for around 30 mill. What do you think he will go for?

Shahram {Ed002's Note - I think that you rather misunderstand the whole subject. PSG are not going to going to sign a player like Rooney to get any sort of "global recognition" or any other type of recognition for that matter. I rather doubt that you understand commercially what it would return to the club. I have explained the only interest that exists for Rooney from foreign shores at this time and there is no real point in speculating about money when it serves to do no more than confuse people.}

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20 Apr 2013 12:38:20
Lewandowski will cost no more than 22m maybe as little as 16m considering he is in his last year of his contract. He plays the postion Rooney should be playing upfront, Kagawa has already been bought to replace Rooney's ability in the hole. And Rooney should never play in midfield and has only done so due to lack of form further forward. A front three of RvP Lewandowski and Kagawa would cover everything Rooney brings to the team and so much more. The only other thing he offers is drive, but that should come from the midfield, which I think wilk be addressed this summer too. If we signed Wanyama and Strootman along with Lewandowski.

Then a midfield three of Wanyama sat deepest with Carrick and Strootman, then Kagawa playing in the hol with Lewandowski and RvP upfront looks a very good team.

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19 Apr 2013 16:07:00
Just wondering what peoples views are on Rooney? Some support him, others are against him staying and others are on the fence.

He has two years left on his contract and has not had a great season, he has permanently looked out of shape and uninterested.

Do we give him another season and get next to nothing for him next summer with one year left when he is still out of shape and uninterested next season?

Or do we give him an extended contract and let him sit on huge wages and still be out of shape and uninterested but with his value still dropping as everyone starts to notice that he is in decline?

In my eyes he needs to go this summer to get any decent money for him as he is certainly not earning his money. If he was in tip top shape but was just having a bad run it would be different but there is no effort, no interest and no physical shape. He has no excuses and to say SAF should show him commitment that he wants him to stay is an absolute joke after what he did 2 years ago. After that episode he should have gone as no one is bigger than United but he thinks he is.

As I have said previously I wouldn't shed any tears if he went. After he made the club look stupid last time I lost any interest in him as a player/person. I support united so when he is on the pitch that includes him, but when the game is done that ends. To me he is just a thick fat scouser who drinks, smokes and is happy to rob from the people that supported him through all his stupid antics of the past as it is us that pay his ridiculous wages.

Brendan81

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Good mate! I like honest people, thanks for coming up with the real reason. Its clear, after this there is no point for an argument.

Deeps.

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There is never an argument Deeps just peoples opinions. Its persons that come on here and tell people that they are wrong and try to make them look stupid that think an argument is needed.

If you read properly you will see I asked for peoples views and then gave my own. I didn't come on and tell people how it is and that I am right. It is what normal people do, unlike some 'experts'.

Brendan81

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I personally think we should sell if we can get the right offer. I am honestly not in the love or hate Rooney camp.

I just see a team that is a mixture of new and old and it reflects in the way we play. The new and old is not just an age thing but also style/set up/ tactics.

My reasoning for selling him are really a number of things:

1. I do agree his peak was right before he injured his ankle and Fergie should have never played him in that Bayern Game and he has not looked right to me since then.

2. For his wages, you have to get top drawer performance as he needs to be on the pitch. When he does not perform he is also costing us by keeping other players out of the first team.

3. Whilst I think it reflects very poorly on him as a professional to show up for the start of the season in the shape he was, I also believe his current form is not for the lack of trying and effort or eve fitness but a case of his body struggling to cope with the Vigors of PL.


Finally, I think if we want to again compete at the highest level in Europe, we need to the makeup of this team and buy certain players, who will not come cheap and we will not be able to do that without having some funds from player sales.


Shahram

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You make good points Shahram. I personally think players should get performance related pay. Someone like Rooney should be on say £100,000 basic and then performances determine how much more they get. Obviously adjustments etc would need to be made when injured etc but it would certainly mean players gave 100%. I'm not talking just at United I mean a football wide system as wages are just getting ridiculous these days for very average players usually.

Brendan81

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Relax Brendan, You can have difference of opinion and argue your points around that. It dosent mean you are telling people what needs to be done. Like your opinion, I have mine and we may have to agree to disagree. But when you make statements like "He is not arsed", "No effort", "permanently overweight", I will come here and tell you why I think that's not the case. I just said there is no point continuing this discussion because you clearly have decided to judge Wayne on his last contract issues. That is that! Agree to disagree! Neither of us has to look stupid.

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Shahram

"I do agree his peak was right before he injured his ankle and Fergie should have never played him in that Bayern Game and he has not looked right to me since then. "

This. Made this point sometime ago and I think it is one of the major reasons.

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Opps missed change

We need to change the makeup of the team I meant.

Shahram

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I never saw that post by you but I swear after that ankle injury and playing him when it was obvious he was not right, he seemed to lose his pace when he came back the next season very similar to Valencia and his ankle.

Shahram

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I'm with Fresh, we could pay for 2 players with what we pay Rooney. He's decent enough but at over £200K a week he simply doesn't live up to that salary. Happy to sell him IF we buy solid replacements.

AJH

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19 Apr 2013 15:54:14
Welbeck a nominee for young player of the yer

Wtf is going on? How he got ahead of rafael is beyond me.

TRUMORS

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19 Apr 2013 16:23:59
Because some people have an unbiased view and recognise he's a good player. MrE

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19 Apr 2013 16:42:19
How he got on the list at all is a mystery to me. Joke

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Well that takes the cake. I can think of players at villa, southhampton, Wigan, Chelsea etc who should be ahead of him.

Shahram

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Recognised he's a good player?
Yes he works hard but he seems to be a headless chicken, apart from pace and strength what does he have as a striker?
Can't dribble, falls over, 2 left feet, can't shoot, can't header,

There are so many more that deserve it more than him mRE
Lets not be deluded just because he's a utd player.

TRUMORS

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19 Apr 2013 17:16:35
Or maybe that other cow looks better than your cow.

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That is a joke! Raphay has been the best right back in the league, so how come he's not nominated?
Nomidfield

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19 Apr 2013 18:16:27
Nomidfield its because right back isn't a glamourous position. You look at the nominee's and most will be strikers, wingers and attacking mids. Look at the winners over the last twenty years and their position. Defenders never get a look in. MrE

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Although I'm not a fan of people slating Welbeck at a young age I'd have to admit - Rafael is far more worthy of a place on that list.

I don't know why people are surprised though - these votes/polls have always been BS because politics always comes into it.

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Shappy

Stop hanging out with SAF, you are starting to sound like him :)

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Welbeck is one of our four strikers, who now tends to play wide in midfield. The question is whether he now plays there because he doesn't know what to do in front of goal. He is leggy and energetic but hopeless when given the sight of the net. We don't get anywhere near enough goals from midfield so we put a non scoring striker in there. Does he know his real position? Is he on the list as a striker because if he is we and England have some real concerns. Maybe they were concerned at the lack of English talent in the list.

Raphael is far more deserving from our team but there must be more deserving candidates elsewhere than Welbeck. Whilst writing this I wouldn't sell him, not yet anyway, but he needs to improve significantly to retain a place in the first team and this also tells you something about the award system

Red Man

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19 Apr 2013 15:49:20
Not enough goals from midfield incl. welbeck is one of our biggest problems this season.
young 0 valencia 1, think giggs is best with 5. Not good enough and the reason we have had this blip while strikers not been on top form.
Need a CM + a goalscoring winger,
then next season its got to be last chance for young, valencia, anderson and nani. And as much as I like Welbeck and think he is class, 2 goals all season isn't good enough.

Will Red

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Think bale and wilshere would be perfect

TRUMORS

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Anderson & Nani will have no more chances. If they are here next year I will be shocked.

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19 Apr 2013 18:00:43
O yes two players we can't afford and who have no interest in joining us.

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19 Apr 2013 15:00:26
Edds.

I asked you a question earlier wich you kindly answerd sort of. I asked if you could tell us who you thought fergie may have in mind for the transfers in & out in the summer and you told me to keep upto date with the posts. I do generaly keep upto date with the posts most days but the posts are other peoples rumours / thoughts I was asking if you could tell us who you personaly thought would be coming and going in the summer? or who you personaly thought we would try to sign in the summer?

M. U. F. C Salford {Ed002's Note - A couple of weeks ago I listed players such as Begovic, Garay, Strootman, Gaitan and Lewandowski.}

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I bet I can tell you who the agent is who will be involved

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I bet I can tell you who will put a random negative slant on this innocent post - oh wait ; )

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19 Apr 2013 15:00:23
Anyone see the quote from Bebe earlier today? If this is true, how he did not realise how unbelievably lucky he was I do not know

"I never took Manchester United seriously and never understood a word about what Alex Ferguson was saying. I thought: 'I'm here, I'm doing well and I don't have to try hard every day'. It was my fault. I was messing around too much. "

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Millions of people would give anything to be in his position. If that's his attitude then I hope he has missed his opportunity to be a part of this club and he kindly f's off. What an appalling attitude.

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Well we are the Schmucks who bought him without even scouting him, no wonder he thought he was at disneyland.

Shahram

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Yes he was an person for not realising the opportunity he had, but after reading the whole interview I thought it was nice to have such an honest interview from a player

Jaxer

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19 Apr 2013 14:04:57
Ed002, I thought Anderson cost United 17M?

I know you don't like to get into the figures but surely the 25M is wrong. {Ed002's Note - Anderson was more than £25M.}

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I thought Porto said at the time the fee was EUR 30m which was less than £25m at the time?

Were there complex ownership issues that made the transfer cost more than this in total? I know it's often the case with South American players moving to Europe.

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19 Apr 2013 14:40:00
Just reading through the page and saw Sydneys ridiculous excuses for his beloved The Brand. He is too tired for United though he plays England games and he is on the bench. The guy who cleans the toilets at Carrington has told Sydney why he isn't being picked. Let me help you out with what maybe the reason is:
Can he pass as well as Carrick? No
Does he bring the physical presence of Jones? No
Is he as skillful as Kagawa? No
Will he score as many goals as Rooney? No
Can he beat a man like Giggs? No
Would he get anywhere near the midfield of Chelsea or Citeh? Not a chance
Can you bounce a ball off him like Dusty Bin? Yes
Will he always pass the ball straight back to you when you pass to him? Yes
Did he start his own Fan club and call himself TC23? Laughably yes

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100 % in agreement on that Kloot in regards to Tom Cleverley, he is absolutely sh*te!

Simmo

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I have said this for so long and I will say it again. Cleverly should not be a regular starter for Manchester United, nor should Young and on form, nor should Valencia! They are players however that make this squad what it is. The squad players are every bit as important as your RVPs. We should keep him here as a squad player, not as a regular first team starter as he is not on those levels.

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I said I was told by someone who attends Carrington regularly and has done for many years, that 'The Brand' is being rested by the club due to fears of burnout. His exact words. Which I 100% believe is accurate. He isn't an employee at Carrington or an ex-player/coach or whatever. He is an elderly man who has a great interest in Manchester United's grass roots and has been attending Carrington for as long as i've known him. He has watched Cleverley & Welbeck since they were kids and he more than anyone gets a massive thrill out of watching them in the first team.

Kloot, to be fair you probably know him or have seen him about, although i'm not going to name him for obvious reasons. He used to attend youth games with Norman (RIP) and one or two others. He used to go to OT with myself and my grandad a decade ago. He doesn't have any inside knowledge per se, not the decent info anyway, but he does speak to youth players, Carrington staff, Paddy Crerand and more recently Quinton Fortune. He doesn't get any decent info like transfers for example, but he does talk to people around Carrington, Moss Lane etc and as you will know you will constantly bump into certain individuals.

Sydney!

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For a long time people rubbished fletcher but he became a key squad player for us and if it weren't for his condition would have progressed further, granted 'the brand' is not the finished article but like syd said this is his 1st real season with us and if he hadn't had a few quite bad injuries early in his career he probably would have broken into the team a lot sooner
the game has changed, it is not just about the starting 11 any more, to be successful you need a good squad, and clev is a good squad player so go smoke something Colombian and chill

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Is that a compliment to Rooney there KLOOT? :)

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Kloot, you may well be correct. He may not make the first team line-up every week in the future, to be fair he still hasn't convinced me yet, but he will be a United player for a very long time. He has already established himself as a United squad player and we are very short in the midfield area so we will not be letting him go anytime soon. Perhaps it's time to make peace with him being a United player because whether you like it or not he is here to stay.

At the very worst he is a good squad player, not sure what's wrong with that?

Sydney!

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Don't hold back there Simmo!

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HoneyBadger

He winds me up scuttling around in the centre circle doing his 5 yard passes. It's like ground hog day watching him, he does the same thing week in week out and it drives me insane.
I just hope and pray to the gods that a decent midfielder is brought into the club in the summer.

Simmo

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Ports

It was a TYPO. So unlike KLOOT ;)

Deeps.

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Players like Cleverly, Welbeck have 24 more months to either stick or get moved on. This whole debate is pointless as both are far from being the finished article and will need to improve to stay in the squad. Even as squad players there will be some young players coming through who will be pushing for getting into the squad.

There will also be a new manager here come 2014 and he might view things totally different hence the 24 months.

Shahram

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19 Apr 2013 16:46:44
Simmo,

Perfect description, you only missed out his ridiculous need to constantly point to his feet when he wants someone to pass the ball to him.

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What I don't understand about cleverley is what does he actually do? I have tried to watch him in matches and he actually achieves nothing at all. If that is the standard, then we're in trouble.
As kloot said, will he walk into citeh or Chelsea midfield? No. I will add that he won't make spurs or arsenal midfield either.
Nomidfield

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Guys he has not walked into our midfield either and just a case of a team that has very few options at the moment in that area.

A couple of good midfield signings this summer and he will be part of a squad that will need rotation given the fact that we play something like 50 to 55 games a year.


Shahram

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Simmo

Yes I got that he winds you up lol just "he is absolutely sh*te!" IMO is going a bit too far!

I too hope we sign a top CM but Cleverly will still remain as a squad player regardless.

I totally agree with Sharam's post it's pointless 'rating' players like Clev & Welbeck now as they will be given every opportunity to improve and prove themselves over the next season or 2. It's called patience, which many poster's on her don't have. They are on low wages and always give their all for the club. They will either prove themselves or be sold on in a couple years time.

No issue here as far as I can see apart from people maybe expecting too much because of SAF's failure to buy a good CM'er in recent years.

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19 Apr 2013 18:33:25
One thing I will ask to all those that keep asking how does he get in the team is this. Based on the current squad who would you play ahead of him? Scholes is now past it. Fletcher is out with a serious condition. Giggs can't play in the centre. Anderson is always unfit. So it has to be cleverley. Yes ferguson should buy a midfielder. No one on here disagree's with that. But that's not cleverley's fault. I think their is plenty of scope for improvement but i'm willing to give him the time to see if he does. Like fletcher, evans etc had. Like shahram says two more seasons and then see where he fits into the club. I think he'll make a good squad player. Either way we still need to buy this summer to replace Scholes, anderson and probably fletcher. MrE

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"will he walk into citeh or Chelsea midfield?"

This is such a flawed argument -

For a start most of us recognise that he will be a squad player rather than a sarter so what's the problem?

Gareth Barry is pretty much first choice alongside Yaya for City. Would he walk into our team or many top teams? Then they have Milner as backup, would he walk into any top team's midfield?

Would Torres get in up front for us? Are Mikel & Ramirez seen as good enough to walk into any top teams midfield? No, yet they are the regular parntership at Chelsea.

All squads have strengths and weaknesses. Our weakness is midfield we all know that. But then up front and at CB we probably have better options than most top teams.

I don't see any posts on this site saying Cleverly is going to be world class or should be starting every game next season. Hopefully we will buy a top midfielder so Clev is made to work hard to fight for his place in the squad.

As Syd has said - he's going to be here for a few years yet so some people need to get over the fact that he's a United squad member and be at one with that :)

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19 Apr 2013 14:24:20
Fergie admited today he shouldn't have taken Kagawa off. No rubbish Sherlock do you think?

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He's made some rubbish substitutions and some crap decisions lately, and that is just another one of them. He's not happy unless we have six wingers on the pitch!

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Over the years that has always been one of his shortcomings, waits too long to make substitutions and some odd ones when he make them.

Shahram

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19 Apr 2013 14:16:09
The more I see and read the more I know I am bang on the mark re Rooney. The guy is going no where. This is all a big ploy to Make United supporters relieved when he signs a new contract. They should be angry that he is getting that kind of money and putting those kind of performances in but instead he will do the whole I love this club and want to end my career here rubbish. I bet you do. He knows that he is on the way downhill and is going to constantly struggle with his weight and fitness so if he can screw one more big contract out of United he will be happy.

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If that is the case then the club should probably listen to majority opinion from fans. Most are now starting to see that we've seen the best of Rooney and relief is not an emotion I envisage if a new deal is agreed.

TK-Red

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Are you not a United supporter then KLOOT?

Will you be relieved if he signs a new contract?

You must know that most of the speculation in the press is bullsh!t, yet if it's to do with Rooney it's definitely him screwing over the club again. Strange that!

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19 Apr 2013 16:16:12
Your forgetting three things kloot. Firstly the ruthletvess of fergie, i'm sure he's not forgiven or forgotten the last contract farce. If he wants rooney gone then he's as good as gone. Secondly the greed of rooney's agent. He'll do well out of this either way whether his client stays or goes but i'm sure he'll do whatever is best for him not his client. If paris or monaco offer him a nice big wedge, bigger than whatever united offer then i'm sure france will suddenly look more attractive. Rooney's easily influenced and it wouldn't take much to push him towards it. Lastly the greed of the owners. They'd look at a potential thirty million pounds and upwards transfer with hungry eyes. They'd skim most of it away i'm sure. I do agree that games are being played but it could go either way. MrE

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19 Apr 2013 14:06:03
Hate to say it but player of the year I would have to go for Suarez, how did michu not make the cut?

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Don't say it then don't utter those treacherous words. Look at what kind of person he his more importantly look at what shirt he wears then go and scrub yourself with detol and maybe you will feel clean

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In what way has Suarez earned the ability to be POTY? Scored the most goals. that's all he has done.

RVP or Carrick for me, both been great this season and have helped WIN the league title.

-JakeW

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Kloot, didn't you defend Ravel for the thuggish crimes he committed because "he had a tough upbringing". Pot kettle comes to mind. I hate Suarez as much as the next man but he's had a good season.

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Suarez? No thanks. He's had a good season - but there have been better players. How Hazard is on the list I don't know. He started the season well but has been 'above average' at best since with the odd moment of brilliance. RVP would have been a contender were it not for his recent slump in form but were he to win it now it would be farcical. Carrick has my vote for his consistency this season but he won't win it due to his lack of goals and assists (not to mention his unglamorous position!). Mata's probably had a better season than Bale - but due to the hype around Bale and the fact that he's by some distance the best player in the Spurs team - my money's on Bale to win it.

Think it would be nice for them to set up a 'newcomer of the season' award for players like Michu and Santi Cazorla who have each had fantastic seasons (especially compared to Hazard) - but as it is they're unlucky to have not made the shortlist.

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19 Apr 2013 13:51:07
That outside of the foot pass from Kagawa through two West Ham defenders was the best forward ball I've seen since Giggsy against West Ham.
If only RVP could have timed his run a little earlier.
Kagawa has good times ahead.
On a different note, I saw that video of the Rooney-Ronaldo counterattack goal against Bolton again today. I miss those days.

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19 Apr 2013 13:39:00
We don't seem like carrying out 4-4-2 well in the near future with the form our current wingers seem to be in. a 4-2-3-1 looks efficient with kagawa playing in behind the front man as the first choice. The question is if we can get a dynamic midfielder to partner carrick. Whatever the case, I don't see a place for Rooney (although i'd love him to stay). With James Rod being a choice and zaha already in. We can get away with selling Nani, Ando and Rooney and buying Strootman/Wanyama (spell) and a high profile winger.

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19 Apr 2013 13:17:08
Anybody else find it ridiculous that Michael Carrick, the only English player up for PFA POTY, still won't be first choice for England?

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Yeah I know. Watched an good interview he did with talk sport, they talked quite a bit about that lack of international caps. He's had under twenty starts, especially crazy when you consider he's the sort of player England need.
DHK

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19 Apr 2013 12:48:17
What scenario sounds better to you

1. Bale and lewandowski but Rooney out
2. Ronaldo 65million but vidic and Rooney out
3. Bale in
4. Strootman in
5. Garay in
6. Falcoa in Rooney and Hernandez out

Which one would you like best? And fyi I'm not actually a scout but watch a load of football :)

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I always see these types of things pointless - Football Manager or Fifa fever etc but it's kinda fun.

If we say United have a usual transfer Kitty of 50m? (for craic sake) - Rooney - 30m, Nani 15-20m? Anderson 10m + some deadwood - bebe, macheda etc

Lets say 100m for a new striker, Winger and CM?

Falcao - 40m?
Bale - 50m? (abit steep if i'm honest but we know levy)
Strootman or Wanyama -10m? (not sure what value strootman is at to be honest)

Would you guys but happy with this?

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Bale in.

We'd improve the first team and have a bigger squad.

JK92

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2. But I don't see why Vidic has to leave for Ronaldo to come in lol. Bale and Ronaldo will cost roughly the same with Ronnie's wages being a big higher.

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Its reported that bale has a release clause of around 40 mill if tottenham don't get champions league. so he'll be much cheaper, younger and also his wages will be MUCH cheaper than ronaldos, your talking 110k to 250k {Ed002's Note - Nope.}

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Nope to the release clause ed? {Ed002's Note - It is all BS.}

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19 Apr 2013 12:45:49
Is it only me who is amazed at how Rafael hasn't been shortlisted for the Young PFA award this year??

I must be watching a different game?

WF Red Devil

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I totally agree! He has had an amazing season and made serious progress as a player. He even bagged one of the strikes of the season. Unfortunately, he isn't English.

Gar

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19 Apr 2013 13:33:17
Yeah its shocking but with RvP and Carrick on the main list, I guess they didn't want too many players from one team being nominated.

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19 Apr 2013 12:11:05
Just a thought provoker rather than a rumour.
Rooney has come under the spotlight recently for reasons well documented so I pose this question.
reports say he is on circa £200k-£250k a week, and negotiating a new contract is unlikely to be reduced so my question is. Is Rooney as influential as other players in World Football who are in that same salary bracket? names I would associate with that level are Yaya Toure, Tevez, Ronaldo, Messi? (the latter maybe higher again)

Sambo

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The bigger question is how does the manager see Rooney's role in the team. If we think about the highest paid players in the world, like Ronaldo, Messi and Toure. It would be unthinkable for any of them to be dropped for an important game if they were fit. The reason is that if you're going to pay a player close to a million every month then that would suggest that they are integral to the way you want your team to play, and that is true for the three above.

With Rooney has lost automatic selection in his favoured position, we have seen him shunted out wide and back into midfield throughout this season, and even dropped for the biggest game. This tells me that Rooney is not the first name on the team sheet or even the second, third or fourth. He is an important first team player but not the focal point of the team. I am not sure if SAF will put up another massive contract for a player who is not absolutely necessary to the way he wants the team to play.

While a few people have jumped on the defensive about Rooney, stating that SAF no longer sees him as the key figure in our attack does not equate to me saying that Rooney is crap. He isn't and has made a valuable contribution this season. However, we cannot ignore his persistent weight issues, lack of match fitness and the poor attitude he seems to have adopted since the Madrid game. Rooney costs us close to 12m in wages, I think it is problematic to commit to another 4-5 years of this level of money for a player who clearly isn't looking after himself and who is no longer central to SAF's plans.

Danny Pughnited

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It was reported that yaya had to take a pay cut for his new contract Rooney may well be the same.
Also its not just his weekly wage I would of thought Rooney makes a lot of money being associated with United would Rooney be as high profile a player playing for psg.
So could he negotiate a bigger sponsorship deals due to him being a United player.
All in all I would think he is not in as strong a position as he was the last time he negotiated a contract, that said inflation is on the rise

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Good response.
I don't think any club can theoretically carry someone on those wages. Then I guess the bigger picture is. Does Wayne Rooney earn the club more in Imaging, Merchandise, Shirt Sales etc. these days its always so much more than just what happens on the field. Players are brands aren't they.

Sambo

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Inflation hardly matters when after a pay cut your still earning 6 times the average yearly salary in a week.
DHK

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19 Apr 2013 12:04:56
just wondering what's the crack with bruno gomez and welliginton syd have u any more info on this situation. ?

duff

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19 Apr 2013 16:44:20
I'm not sure what the official situation is with Gomes but I think there is some kind of 'agreement' in place much like there was with Henriquez. If not an agreement then I believe the club are keeping in close contact with the lad and his club. He regularly cheers United on through his twitter account and he is scoring bagfuls in his age group. He is still very young though so it's probably not worth giving him too much thought just yet as a lot can happen in the time between now and when he is able to move abroad aged 18.

TK-Red

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19 Apr 2013 11:48:17
Interesting statistic for Rooney which surprised me considerably. In all competitions this season (including internationals) totalling 39, he has scored 22 and assisted 16. Averaging almost a goal/assist every game. Not a bad record considering the performances he has put in this season, just hoping he can regain the form of his younger years then I would be happy for him to stay.

DGC.

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19 Apr 2013 11:44:45
Young out for the season. I am not being mean here but what a waste of 17 million pounds on a player who seems to be made of China. Does anyone know how many weeks he missed since joining due to injuries?

It is hard to swallow poor performances and china like physique given what we have spent on this guy.

Having a bad day when thinking about spending 25 million on Anderson as well.

Whoever scouted those 2 and recommended them should be sacked.

Shahram

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To be fair we couldn't have predicted that Anderson would have the weight issues he has or that SAF would try and turn him into a deeper midfielder. I can't help but think that had Hargreaves been able to stay fit, we might have seen a completely different Anderson. I guess we'll never know though.

Young, on the other hand, is a waste of a United shirt. He was a decent player in an average Villa team and bog standard at best in a United shirt. Not one of the managers finer moments, especially considering where that £16-17million could've been spent.

TK-Red

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Totally agree with Young, but disagree with Anderson.
Everyone thought it was a great back then. He was 18 and playing regularly in his first season.
And there is no way scouts could have known he would get injured that bad!
In retrospect it's probably not been the best move for either party, apart from Porto.
But I believe not only Anderson is to be blamed, he was played out of position for 9 out of 10 games and still did pretty good, just wasn't up for positional change SAF expected from him.

Still don't understand his obsession to buy great attacking mids to destroy them by playing them as holding midfielders.
It was pure luck with Scholes, because as he got older and moved backwards, the game changed accordingly.

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Shahram, add to them, tosic, bellion, obertan, kleiberson, djemba, blanc, bartez, taibi, bosnich and a few more that I can't remember and you can see that that list consists of a lot of wingers, most of whom apart from Ronaldo, and kanchelskis were rubbish. Also, Keane, carrick and ince were best midfielders we bought in, and that was a long time ago!
On the flip side we did buy some superb strikers during this time.
Nomidfield

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No Midfield

Some of the guys did not cost us much i. e Obertan but when I think of players like young, Anderson and what we paid for them and who we could of have gotten instead, it does really hurt.

Berbatov for 30 for one and half seasons is also not one of our shining moments if you think about who we could have had for that kind of money.

Shahram

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19 Apr 2013 11:02:30
It is very telling when SAF in his press conference today stated "I don't think there is anyhting in that" in regards to PSG buying Rooney.

Normally SAF really stresses the fact Rooney is going no where, but his tone really did change today.

ussoldier77 {Ed002's Note - Maybe he is sending out secret messages to the fans?}

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Good one Ed 002.

Deeps.

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If you read that quote out loud, backwards and at precisely 160 beats per minute - all will become clear! :)

HBadger

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Did Ferguson say we or was it oui in answer to any questions? That may be the message we are looking for

Red Man

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I'm starting to think Ed002 and SAF are the same person. They bother enjoy sending out vaigue messages then watch as the crowds of easily led fans try to search for the hidden meaning of their words. On the other hand he could've meant that he actually doesn't see it as likely.

TK-Red {Ed002's Note - Think of a pelican flying toward a Spanish republic.}

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Pelican; there was a film called the Pelican Brief starring Denzel Washington. He starred in the film Philadelphia with Tom Hanks. Tom Hanks starred in a remake of The LadyKillers where they try to advantage of a poor old lady, just as Wayne Rooney allegedly did. Spanish Republic; Barcelona see themselves as a separate to Spain which must mean that Wayne Rooney is flying on a pelican to sign for Barcelona ;)

TK-Red

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HB
I did as you said and it kept saying
"Sydney knows Sydney knows "
Freaked me out a bit

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Haha jred

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19 Apr 2013 07:51:13
A lot of people on this site reckon Kagawa hasn't adopted to our style as of yet. I find this opinion to be completely wrong. It's the rest of the team that hasn't adopted to kagawas style of play yet that's the problem.

The lad has an exceptional talent of finding that killer pass and has a footballing brain comparable to any of the Barcelona midfielders. I truly believe that given a 'free role' and not being labelled LM, CAM etc. he can do wonders for our club and bring back the flair and edge of your seat excitement we all crave. Not since the 2008 team have we had it IMO.

Really hope Fergie goes with this 4-2-3-1 which we all want to see happen. The age old starting positions which we have grown accustomed to simply aren't there for the top clubs anymore (at least in midfield and forwards). I truly believe you allow Kags to find his own space don't tie him down and we will have one of if not the best playmaker in the world.

GALWAY RED

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Completely agree

Nozzla

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He plays beautyful attacking and passing football. not united sideway style. as I agree team must allow and adopt something good.

Rodio17

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Every time I watch him he's always making positive runs, looking to pass forward, but our team just pass sideways and give it to the wingers no fluidity at all sometimes.

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Very good post, I have made similar comments in the past. With the correct players brought in the summer he could turn into a very good player for us.
Nathan

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I agree, I posted yesterday that I would like SAF to build the team around Kagawa.

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I completely disagree.
He has had a couple of good games this year but in general has really struggled to adopt to the pace of the premier league.
I hope that it's just a matter of adjusting to the premier league and we see the best of him next year.
I think he has struggled big time.

Simmo

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19 Apr 2013 11:48:18
I'll adopt him if no one else will, he ruverly.

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The chap is right kagawa looks lively sharp and eager to get the ball. unlike other players half arsed efforts. yeah rooney i'm talkin bout u. he's creative quick thinking and scores goals. he's 5 goals and bout the same assists so far he's one of our best players when he's fit pitty he's so light doh we need to bulk him up a tad.

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Simmo,

the point I was trying to get across is that given a role where we let kags go where he wants and create his own space, I believe he will be much more effective. Of course he's going to be bustled off the ball if he's playing left wing and the right back is near him. His size doesn't allow him to play this role, especially in the prem. However let him roam, right, left, centre and he will destroy defences! He seems to have the intelligence for this role as the best players do. Worth a shot anyway and time to get rid of our rigid old 4-4-2 anyway, every other top team has.

GALWAY RED

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I agree with galaway red. Problem is that our management has to change the system we play, no good getting kagawa if all we want to do is play two wingers. We have to change the system to accommodate him.
Nomidfield

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19 Apr 2013 07:19:33
I'm not one of the rooney fans, but until around two years ago, he has done really well since he came over to united.
It doesn't help that he is being played out of position all the time due to our inadequacies in midfield.
On form, Rooney is one of the best around and the opposing teams will tell you that, so before we consider selling him, saf should consider buying some proper midfielders for a change and revert Rooney back to his normal position as a striker.
Nomidfield

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The problem is that he is losing his pace and starting to look like he isn't interested.

Rooney as a striker won't work anymore.

-JakeW

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I'm sorry but Rooney is past his best. People with blinkers on will tell you that this isn't the case and that he is the heart beat of the team but he really isn't anymore. He is 27 and should be in his prime but he has looked after his body so badly for the past 10 years with drinking, smoking and kebabs that it is giving up on him.

You can't live the life he has and expect your body to allow you to stay in prime professional footballer shape. If he had the commitment of Giggs/Ronaldo then he would be a much better player and no one would want to sell him but the fact is he isnt.

I think we would be stupid to turn down £30-40 million if it was offered this summer. We could get someone in on half his wage who would have more impact for us than Rooney has this year and will over the next 5 rapidly declining years.

Brendan81

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True but sad. I have always been a fan of rooney, but his game is starting to drop. his best season was when he spearheaded the attack and played as a striker. I don't know if I would want him as a cm. I did see him miss a 3 foot pass. has his passing always been average or has it gotten worse?

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Brendan

I think we have people with supposed "blinkers" on them with regards to Rooney and people like you and a lot of others who have a compulsive negative bias for him. Guess it goes both ways. Like you can't stop writing about how sh!te he is, we can't stop writing about how good he has been up untill last season and a little bit of patience won't be bad. You have already made a judgement, I and a few others haven't yet. Simple.

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Deeps I look at it with an unbiased view, I think if I was watching Rooney at say Chelsea playing how he is, in the shape he is, lack of interest etc would I want him signed by united? The answer to that is no. There are much better players and professionals out there i'm afraid for the ridiculous money we pay him. We could get someone like Gotze for nearly the same money and he is and will be immense.

He is on the decline and if you take an unbiased view you will see that. He is a very poor professional and that cannot be denied. I will defend players to the death if I think they are giving 100% as I did with DeGea on here when he was getting battered from every side. Rooney though is not giving 100%, he doesn't look interested and he keeps himself in very poor shape.

I wouldn't shed a tear if he went in the summer as long as we address the CM problem and get another forward in.

Brendan81

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Brendan, this is probably his first poor season, that too in terms of his general play. Stats wise he still seems impeccable. I would agree and not be biased that he hasn't looked his usual self this season. He has been in top form for 7 to 8 seasons, I am ready to accept an ocassional blip. I am ready to give him time. And for me he has earned that right. Remember pretty boi Ronaldo fishing for his "big Galactico" dream?. Yes it was Wayne that kept us afloat. And yes I will gv him time, he has not been consistently poor. I will say this again, Giggsy and Scholsey had poor seasons at the turn of this millenium. So much so that the crowd and fickle supporters had turned their backs. Look how it panned out.

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19 Apr 2013 13:15:27
The problem with Rooney is obvious, we paid 27m for him as and 18 yo, we would now be lucky to get that amount for him now while he is supposedly at his peak. This shows the problem imo. You look at what players such as Hazard and Moura have gone for, or even Witsel. Look how much it would cost to sign world class players such as Xavi Inestia Schweinstieger Falcao Messi or Ronaldo? Would the established big teams of europe want Rooney? Would Bayern Barca Madrid the Milan clubs and Juve want him? Do they feel he's worth the investment? I think that tells you a lot about where Rooney is in his career.

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Shappy

I agree with you, non of the big clubs will be in for him. PSG is a different story and whilst they are buying some of the best young talent around, they are also building up their profile, which is why he might be attractive to them. Look a the Beckham thing, can anyone honestly say they need Beckham.

Chelsea is looking for a couple of striker and that would be some story :)

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Deeps you have to look at it from different angles tho. He has two years left on his contract and has not had a great season, he has permanently looked out of shape and uninterested.

Do we give him another season and get next to nothing for him next summer with one year left when he is still out of shape and uninterested next season?

Or do we give him an extended contract and let him sit on huge wages and still be out of shape and uninterested but with his value still dropping as everyone starts to notice that he is in decline?

In my eyes he needs to go this summer to get any decent money for him as he is certainly not earning his money. If he was in tip top shape but was just having a bad run it would be different but there is no effort, no interest and no physical shape. He has no excuses and to say SAF should show him commitment that he wants him to stay is an absolute joke after what he did 2 years ago. After that episode he should have gone as no one is bigger than United but he thinks he is.

Brendan81

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Brendan, Permanently looked out of shape? I don't get that? This season or since when? Like I said ffs this is his first poor season. I don't get this "looks disinterested" stuff. I see your last statement sums up what you think about him like many on here. "That episode" is what makes people jump on his back. What makes you think, he thinks he is bigger than the club presently? I am sorry but a lot on here make stuff up, and none of us know him personally. Talks about his attitude, he dosent give a rubbish and other stuff are just the way people like to paint him. But how many of us know what's going on? Anyone who regularly watches MUTV or the training sessions can clearly see he gets along really well with Fergie. He is thick with most of the players and gets along pretty well with the staff. So where does this attitude crap come from? He dosent try? Come on, even the biggest of Rooney critics would say he works arse off. So Brendan, are you just listening to what people like to tell about Wayne Rooney or what is it that you have based your perception on?

Deeps.

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He has been out of shape off and on since he joined. Everytime he misses a few games he comes back tubby oh and how many stone overweight was he when he came back for pre season? He is not professional as if he was he would work a lot harder at keeping in shape.

That 'episode' is why no one should back him once he leaves the field. He thought he was bigger than the club so what would be different now??

I'm an intelligent adult and listen to everyones point of view. Unless I see evidence of what they say being true I don't take it as read. I form my own opinions of watching every united game and seeing exactly who does well, who doesnt, who is trying but having a bad time and who keeps themselves in such poor shape thar they couldn't play well even if they wanted to. Rooney (and Anderson) should be ashamed of the way they are being on their wages.

Brendan81

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19 Apr 2013 06:50:12
Reading Shearers views on Rooney. Am I the only one who isn't fussed if he stay or goes? The waffle about him not being 1st choice, erm? Get stuck in ya big wuss & win back that status! Gods sake, 250k a week, dire/woeful performances & he wants his ego stroking!

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Shearer the bitter who missed out on plenty of trophies by moving to newcastle? couldn't care what the person thought

ms85

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Shearer is a master at pointin out the obvious but doing it in such a manner that bores the sh*t out of everyone listening/reading.

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