Manchester United Banter Archive August 19 2013

 

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19 Aug 2013 22:47:00
28m bid for baines and fellaini rejected by everton. so united will bid 35m or 40m for them in the next few days

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We will not pay 40 million for those 2, there is a line where the spend does not justify what you are getting back in return. I think over the lsat 5 years with the exception of a few we have been guilty in paying too much for players.

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IMO Everton will not sell Baines for less that £15m and Fellaini for less than £23m

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19 Aug 2013 22:46:31
As I said this morning I think everything about this Everton news is all timing.
I've got a theory about what I think is going on when you read between the lines.

Martinez said a couple of weeks ago that a english club have bid for Baines and that they said it would be their last bid, Everton rejected it as it didn't match their valuation.

Now they release a statement saying that we bid for both Fellaini and Baines and it was turned down as they felt it was insulting. They said they didn't say anything before because it would have disrupted their teams preperation for their opening match.

Well they have a match this coming weekend, don't they feel that it would disrupt their preperation for that match?

Coming out and saying we've bid is only going to unsettle their players as it will be all over the press for the next two weeks.

So I think what's happened is we bid for both Fellaini and Baines two maybe even three weeks ago and Everton rejected it thinking we would come back with another offer.

Now maybe this bid has unsettled their players and maybe it hasn't but either way I think Everton were banking on us offering more money for them.

Then before we played Swansea David Moyes says he expects us to make some signings soon. I think this would worry Everton as they knew we weren't signing their players and they're worried we may have moved onto other targets.

So they wait until after they got their game with Norwich out the way and release the infomation that we bid for Fellaini and Baines in the hope that it would come back with a new bid. I think that statement was them panicking that we aren't going to go back with a improved bid. So they did something to get a reaction.

If we are serious about signing both Fellaini and Baines then I think we should just let them stew for another week then go back and offer them the same bid as before and see what they do. As their whole statement stinks of desperation, their is simply no need to say what they did.

Personally I hope we didn't go back with an improved bid because we have moved on to better targets, but I get the feeling that we will see both Baines and Fellaini in United shirts by september.

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I've got a theory, moyes always wanted baines and fellaini but after fergy leaving maybe the top.brass at United thought it would look a bit bad if our summer transfers where the Everton manager and two of his players.
So we let it be know we are trying for ronaldo, which I don't think we have a chance of signing if he was available the cash needed would be ridiculous, but psg would pay it.
Then we are also interested in bale, again never an option we won't match rm bid.
We bid 30 for fabergas even thou 30 won't get him, Barcelona need him and fabergas is barce through and through .
So in the end with only a week to go we sign baines and fellaini and stand strong and keep Rooney, and with only a week or even days left in the transfer window most fans are just happy we signed some one.

Before certain people start I said this about a month ago and it does seem to be playing out that way
Jred

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Totally agree Shappy. Everton reassessing that statement tells us all we need to no. If they really didn't want to sell them why release it? It's old news. They need the money & want us to make another bid. Fellaini, Baines & one will be in before the end of the window.

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You said it a few week's ago after Kloot and Ed001 said it.

Sydney!

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Syd
Looks like me ed and kloot might of been right then
Jred

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I think it was a given that Fellaini and Baines will be of interest to David Moyes an MU. Everyone and every newspaper said as much as soon as Moyes moved to MU officially. The Baines interest certainly isn't new.

We may well only sign Fellaini and Baines, but I fully believe Cesc was a genuine target and not just a token bid like you suggest. It's no secret the club have been looking to replace Scholes this summer after he retired.

Sydney!

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Could the club be planning on playing RvP upfront and Kagawa in the hole or the more advanced midfielder of three, making Rooney dispensable and using his cash to bring Cesc to the club?

Could the club be waiting for a £40m Chelsea offer before accepting and then paying what Barcelona want for Cesc? Just a theory, and not sure if that is what is in the minds of the MU hierarchy.

Sydney!

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19 Aug 2013 22:07:43
Please please please can everyone stop suggesting that Evra or Buttner should play left wing for MANCHESTER UNITED! Yes, they are left footed, but this is not school football - they are nowhere near the quality required to play left wing!

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TBH! Evra is vey good in attacking role. and I think if given a chance he can play better than our wingers .

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Aakrozz

I think your statement says more about our left wing options than it does about Evra. Young and Nani are not good enough and we need a replacement and it is not a 32 year old left back

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What's Young's excuse?

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Did Evra not start out his career as a winger?

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Dodgybanter

I would much rather see Evra playing left midfield than that pratt Nani.

Simmo

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Simmo you mean that pratt that looked the most hungry and keen to impress Moyes before getting an injury in AIK fotboll game? Which is the only time we've looked partially threatening down that left side with out being exposed on the counter.

IMO Young NEEDS to be sold, he's just useless! Always injured and only had one very good game vs Arsenal when he scored two good goals.

Ozwald

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19 Aug 2013 21:35:46
A friend of mine was out in Birmingham on Saturday night and ended up in a place called Mechu where footballers often hang out. While there he got speaking with Barry Bannan - who told him that he was on his way to Everton and that Gareth Barry would also be moving to Goodison.

Looks to me as though Fellaini is on his way to United.

redseven

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20 Aug 2013 00:06:25
I go to the University of Birmingham and whilst Mechu is a nice place, footballers definitely do not hang out there. They do not hang out on Broad Street at all, in fact. Barry may well go there and Fellaini may well come to United but I think your friend is telling porkies.

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Yes they do you clown! And it's not on broad street either





DDR

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I think you'll find it's right at the end of Broad Street. And no, they really don't. Tell me, how many footballers have you met in there if you're so clued up?

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19 Aug 2013 21:47:17
Find it a bit harsh that the Manchester City fans are singing abusive chants about GNev. Half of them weren't even Manchester City fans when he last played for us!

On another note - City have looked good tonight. It would be nice if Newcastle had given them more of a game just to see them actually have to try; but from what I've seen I like the way they are set up. Not sure they will play 4-4-2 in the big games but against mid table clubs I can see it getting great results.

redseven

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19 Aug 2013 21:26:30
Why is everyone saying that if we get falaini we still need a creative midfielder.

We have KAGAWA for that role.

So problem solved

SPB

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It's to accompany Kagawa to improve our link up play and play at a higher tempo.

Mad Hatter

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19 Aug 2013 22:37:52
Kagawa is a trequartista. We need a regista as carrick is now 32.

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Noname. Did you even know what a trequarista was before Football Manager? I didn't, and I've been following football for 35 years!

StevieK

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No name, don't forget we ned a pivot as well

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20 Aug 2013 08:11:28
I did steviek as in part Italian and grandfather played professionally.

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37 years StevieK

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Fair enough mate :)

StevieK

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19 Aug 2013 21:23:51
City looking very strong all be it against a soft Newcastle team. We do really need to strengthen I think. And I think Fellani would be a decent addition but I believe we should aim higher. Fabregas was fantastic last night can't see why they'd want to sell him

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Only reason city looked good was Newcastle went down to ten men most of the game see city back 2 normal with there fans lol empty seats as always ha ha

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Another utd fan obsessed with city's attendance the empty seats were in the directors box also city were 2-0 up before sending off and could of been at least 4 up with a bit of luck take off those rose tinted glasses next time you watch a game. Mw

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The reason city looked good was because Newcastle were so bad my tip for the drop this year to many french players. I will have to wait and see them against another team to make my mind up navas looked very good though. I think they can be got at though citys back four is poor imo
Browred

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19 Aug 2013 21:17:49
To the Everton Fans who seem to be spending their day on the UTD site boring me to tears.

1. Agents Talk to clubs. FACT
2. Utd know whether Baines and Fro want to leave FACT
3. Everton know whether Baines and Fro want to leave FACT
4. Utd will bid the minimum value based on the Players level of interest in joining / leaving, the Selling Clubs Financial Position, Age of Player and years left on Contract.

If UTD have proposed this low bid it is because they feel they have a strong position based on the above which is bad for the toffees.

Everton going public with the offer is even worse news for them. Ouch V desperate.

Hope Tomorrow the banter returns to ronlado being spotted in the premier Inn in deansgate!

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Dream on, you can't afford Ronaldo anymore

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So Utd know whether Baines and Fellaini want to leave do they? Just like Utd knew that Fabregas wanted to leave too right, oh what happened then? That's right Utd didn't have a clue, so don't give me that rubbish as a fact because it's not.

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Ye but but if all these facts are true why did they tell us to do one? they don't need to sell but its clear we need to buy

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19 Aug 2013 21:14:35
It has been a strange transfer window but I do wonder about Woodwards tactics. From our angle we appear to have been all over the place. Starting with his famous "no retooling" comment to suggestions not denied that this could be a big summer for transfers. On the face of it we have lurched from one thing to another, offers for Fabregas, admitted interest
in a player, offer nowhere near enough then stop, flying home for urgent transfer business only to do nothing. Then we have the official comment after Fabregas's press conference. Chelsea made an offer for Rooney and then there were suggestions Mata and Luiz were part of the deal which caused consternation at Chelsea. Now we have the latest offer that has upset Everton. £28m is a ridiculously low figure but that is what negotiations are about. However that figure is probably too low to be reasonable. Still Everton chose to make it public likely because it has unsettled at least one of those players and they are using the public knowledge as their own tactic to negotiate. All is fair in these situations.
I have no wish to upset Everton, as they have been a club in whom I have had admiration since their fabulous mid eighties side. However they may have over reacted slightly on this, especially as the classic they are not for sale didn't come out. It sounded more like you didn't offer enough and we are not letting you sit on this until the final day of the window then take the players leaving us no time to replace them. Put up or shut up. There again why do they blame Moyes, this negotiation is all financial.

This brings me back to our apparent dithering and bouncing from one thing to another, why are we looking at an admittedly good full back but one who is near 30. If we need a full back let's go with similar money for Southamptons Luke Shaw. There is no doubt Fellaini gave us trouble in games against Everton but he was played up against our defence and used his power, height and strength to bully our defenders often from high balls. I haven't seen him dominate a game in the brilliant way that Fabregas did last night or Yaya Toure rampaging from midfield.
Both Baines and Fellaini are good players but are they right for us, are they true top quality particularly Fellaini? No one used his buy out clause at £23m and there has been no continental interest likely because powerful yes but no elegance. My worry would be how many free kicks would he concede in Europe in key areas?
Given the transfer mayhem to date we are getting to the point where we just want action, Chelsea and Jose arrive on Monday and those big promises haven't happened. Are we now ground down far enough to be willing to accept Fellaini as our midfield answer, the one player we feared and yet almost expected our new manager to go for. He isn't a marquee signing but he would be someone our new manager could be comfortable with and is that what level we now expect? Have our expectations been expertly managed down to Fellaini?

Still the transfer path so far has been all over the place so who knows what next, is it genius or dithering, 2 Sept will show but Woodward hasn't impressed so far.

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Red Man

I cometely agree, not sure what the hell we are doing at the moment

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19 Aug 2013 21:58:01
Completely agree with you.
I'd take Baines, but I'd rather give 15 for Shaw next summer and leave LB unchanged for now.
Fellaini is not my cup of tea at all. I'd rather go for Barkley in Jan if he performs up until then.
Having said that I liked the look of Tyler Blackett any one have any info on his development?

Whistler.

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I have contact with an ex Everton captain and DM was referred to as Dithering Dave when it came to transfers (by those in the know). As a result Everton lost out on a number of players. I posted this three weeks ago but did not appear on site. 100% true.

Macari's Chip Shop

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I agree mate, had are hopes on cesc now panic buying on players moyes could of bought or bid for as soon as he left everton if these are the players he wanted.

i suppose its a mixture of we need a quality cm biut whos available?

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I have to agree!id take Gaines but Feilaini isn't world class, and not my cup of tea either!Gary Neville and carragher saying Arsenal are too late and disparate to try buy cabaye for 10m?its exactly how I feel about Us going in for Feilaini,

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19 Aug 2013 21:13:29
Conspiracy theory.
Peter Reid said deal for Fellaini and Baines would be done. Kenwright and Moyes get on well, . Kenwright needs the money. In order to appear the best negotiator, moyes agrees to make a low offer initially to then come up to a better price. Kenwright can then claim he did the best for the club and everyone agrees that a fair price was paid given Baines age and the fact that no one matched the buy out clause for Fellaini. So expect a revised bid of £20m for Fellaini and £13/14 for baines deal done.

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Absolute nonsense!

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Absolute nonsense!

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19 Aug 2013 20:59:41
whats happening with Christian Eriksen why are we not picking him up before someone else does he keeps dropping hints about champions leaugue and big clubs?

Recluse.

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19 Aug 2013 22:41:57
Probably because no big champions league club has come in for him. Hence the hints. So if no one is interested.

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19 Aug 2013 20:58:03
Michael Carrick - "Yes. I thought he came on and looked good. He set up two goals and that's what he's all about. He's a real threat. He got a bit of a whack [on his Achilles] when he made Danny's second but I'm sure he'll be all right. He's a big Manchester United player. He's one of us and we all stick together.

"When we're on the pitch we fight for each other and do what we can for Wayne. He's certainly part of that."

He's given this club an awful lot so the fans support him and we support him. As I said, we stick together. It was a good day."

Phil Jones also hailed the fans' acknowledgment of Rooney. "That was great. He is a fantastic player and he did well when he came on. He came on and did the job. He did well. The manager and all the lads are pleased, " said the defender.

Deeps.

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So that's Jones rvp and Carrick in the last week, moyes has said several times his not for sale and anybody at the match at the week end will tell you he got a good reception .
Yet some on this site know better
Jred

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Yes! Rooney did great job when he came on!
2 assist from a substitute is a great contribution.
We should not sell him because he is one of our best players and truly world class.
I am sad that most people judge him by his last year's performance rather than what he has given us for so long time. and the denial of posters here to consider him world class is really annoying. He is nearing to be all time top scorer of MAN UTD. and how come a not so top world class players can achieve it for god's sake!

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The 2 assists thing is deceiving as one was a simple pass 45 yards from their goal and what RVP did from there was wonderful to watch.

There are those who want to believe he is innocent and has been hard done and no matter what he does will turn a blind eye and there are those of us who have no tolerance for his rubbish or as a matter of fact any player who treats the club like he does.

Still think he will be sold, unfortunately not one big club except chelsea has come in for him and their offer is rubbish so that should tell you lot what the footballing world think of him in a summer where spending 40 million on a player does not seem to be a big deal.

Shahram

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A simple 45 yard pass? Are you being sarcastic?

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20 Aug 2013 11:03:21
There are those who tries to hate their own players and there are us who supports them no matter what. I agree Rooney has lost his mind and its our job to show him the right way rather than hating him. and rooney didn't gave the ball to rvp to shoot but to return him the ball when he was in good position to score. and he could have scored if rvp had passed him the ball. m not complaining about rvp. m happy that he scored. I love both of them as I am not among the one who tries to compare their own players, just can't tolerate the fact that people have forgotten all those contribution he made just bcoz we have another great player in that position . He has given me so much great moments to enjoy about over the years and I would be super happy if he decides to stay and prove all you doubters wrong.
and don't judge players on how much money is he valued upon or how many clubs are after him. judge him by his contribution .


Remember FORM IS TEMPORARY BUT CLASS IS PERMANENT

Aakrozz

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"there are those of us who have no tolerance for his rubbish or as a matter of fact any player who treats the club like he does."

Shahram, you will probably then have to have zero tolerance for a lot of United players who have done this time and again, some of them in the squad right now. But then, you lot chose to vilify Wayne for things that are rampant in modern football. Precious are we? Anyways, I have no doubts that he is staying and all your prophecies are going down the drain ;)

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19 Aug 2013 20:53:04
just watching the reserves against Liverpool and getting our a-s-s kicked, I've got to say ben amos is possibly the worst goalkeeper I have ever seen, sooner have the younger sam johnstone much better prospect.
BIGAL REDFOREVER

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Think Johnson is out on loan, but agree Amos won't make it at old trafford

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Went to the game tonight and after going 1-0 up we got ripped to shreds in a 20 minute spell and conceded 3.the defence were all over the place there left winger ebi caused a lot of the problems.ben amos should of done better, michael keane was unusally poor, henriquez did very little, lingard faded in and out.pettruci did ok and wasnt afraid to get stuck in and januaj was outstanding at times, everything good went through him.varela had a quiet 1st half but seemed to enjoy himself in the 2nd half and didn't do too bad.

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19 Aug 2013 20:43:23
So far Ed we reportedly interested in Ozil, Kaka and apparently have made a bid of �55m, then we also rumoured to be strongly in for Fellaini and Baines with a bid for both already rejected and then we have our representatives speaking to Anzhi about Eto'o. ED are we going to sign these players {Ed007's Note - No.}

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19 Aug 2013 22:46:09
Kaka and etoo are past it maybe five years ago but not now.

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I would love United to go to Madrid and put £60 million on the table for Sami Khedira and Mesut Ozil. Ed, do you know whether Madrid want to sell, or the players want to leave, since their new signings play in similar positions?

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19 Aug 2013 19:55:59
I saw this posted a few days ago,

15 Aug 2013 23:42:37
Genuine rumour - Peter Reid reckons a deal for Fellaini & Baines has been agreed. Bill Kenwright has insisted that the deal is done on deadline day, as he doesn't want to re-invest the money back in to Evertons squad & this would give him the ideal excuse without the risk of a backlash from fans.

Well I see this actually being agreed as we know how tight Everton are!

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19 Aug 2013 19:45:58
A lot of people moaning about if baines/fellani are they good enough for united. Simple solution, is baines better than evra and is fellani better than cleverley?

Fellani would give us a bit of steel in midfield and is a different type of player but I still think if we sign him it wouldn't be too bad but a creative midfielder should also be brought in to give us a better balance. Evra could always be pushed forward as a left winger. Can't be much worse than Ashley Young!

Dredd the Red!

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You could find lots of players who are better than Evra and Cleverly. That doesn't mean they are right for our club.

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19 Aug 2013 19:40:37
If this transfer window is teaching us one thing then it is that the clown who took over from Judas Gill Ed Woodward is obviously bloody useless. we have acted like a bunch of amateurs and he looks way out of his depth

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KLOOTY

You will agree Lucifer Gill was way better at this though. I agree Edmond Woodskull has been calamitous. (So far)

I will probably be the happiest example of "time to eat humble pie" if he can prove me wrong.

Deeps.

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This is a very odd feeling for me but I find myself agreeing with Grumpy Gills tonight

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I think Woodward has been awful
Jred

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I agree, nothing like I had envisioned. Would have expected 3 or 4 signings a few of the deadwood out and the most overrated english player gone by now.

Who know maybe the next 10 days will surprise us.

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19 Aug 2013 19:38:46
Now i've had all day to think about the more I don't like this double bid for Baines and Fellaini.

I'm not Baines biggest fan but at least I can understand why we need a player like him. He may cost too much money imo but he would for the short term at least shore up our defence while also adding abit of balance to the attack on our left hand side.

But the more I think about Fellaini the more I dislike the idea. Now i'm not saying he wouldn't improve our team, but I just think there are much better options out there that could do a better job, and most of them would be cheaper.

My biggest worry with Fellaini is I think Moyes will be signing him to play further up the field than he should for a team like ours.

People say that defensive midfield is his best position so I looked back over the stats just for comparision.

Last season as an AM he made 2.6 tackles and only 1.2 interceptions on average per game. And made and average of 52.5 passes with a completion rate of 79.3%. He also managed 1.3 key passes a game on average. These statistics are quite underwhelming for an attacking midfielder even though he managed 11 goals and 5 assists.

But also these statistics aren't great for a DM either, I know he was playing out of position but his pass success rate is very low for a top DM and he doesn't contribute enough tackles and interceptions to warrant his relitively poor passing.

But let's be fair and look at his stats from the 11/12 season when he played as a DM.

He managed 2.9 tackles and 1.6 interceptions a game on average which is only marginally better then his averages when played out of position. As for his passing he made an average of 52.6 passes a game with a success rate of 79.7% and 0.7 key passes a game. Which again is only marginally better than when played out of position. In fact the only stats which significantly change when played out of position is Goals as he only managed 3 goals when played deeper. He still managed 4 assists which in only one less than when played higher up the pitch.

So a comparison of the stats show that his tackling interceptions and his passing and passing success rate remain the same whether he is played as a DM or and AM the only difference seems to be he picks up more goals when played as an AM which shouldn't come as a suprise.

So as a DM he doesn't do enough to make spending a large sum of money on him make sense. And he isn't good enough as an AM for a club of our size.

In my honest opinion I think a player such as Fellaini should be a good squad player for a club that is challenging for titles both domestically and in europe. He offer versatility and physicality but lacks finesse and ability at the highest level.

And my big worry considering the other midfield players Moyes has looked at(Thiago, Fabregas) then he appears to be looking more for a midfielder to play in the final third. There hasn't been a single link to another DM. So I do worry that maybe he's looking at Fellaini for the role Kagawa or Rooney should be playing in.

I've said all summer that it's more important that we sign someone who has high energy levels and will do a lot of defensive work in midfield to help cover the defence who were getting over exposed a lot last season. If you look at our creative players we have Anderson, Nani, Valencia, Young, Kagawa, Giggs, Rooney, Welbeck, Zaha, Hernandez, RvP, Powell, Januzaj and Lingard. Even Carrick is more of a creative midfielder than an defensive. But he is the only player we have who plays in either the middle or final third who has some defensive qualities. I mean even our full backs spend a large proportion of their time attacking. Last season we scored more goals than any other team in the league, 11 more than the next best. But our defensive record was as good as Stokes who finished 13th. You can't defend like a midtable team and expect to keep winning. that's why we need a more defensive midfielder before we look as another creative one.

And for me Fellaini is a very average DM, sure he is better than what we have but personally i'd rather have Schneiderlin, Lars Bender, Romulo, Fernando, Khedira or Witsel ahead of Fellaini. In fact i'd rather go for a potentially world class player such as Kondogbia.

Nearly all of them are younger than Fellaini, would be cheaper than Fellaini and are either better or have potential to be better than Fellaini.

Sure a club our size should be looking for the best and not settling for someone slightly above average like Fellaini.

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Keep this up Shappy and you will new a new keyboard

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I request the authorities to please confiscate Shappys keyboard or cut off his fingers.

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I agree Shappy. So many better prospects than Fellani. I wouldn't even bother with Baines. I don't think he represents value for money. £15 - £20m for a guy of his age, when Evra isn't playing too badly.
I think it shows limited ambition. All in all rather disappointing.

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Another good post. Baines would definitely improve us. Fellaini is good but I agree there are better DM out there and some potentially cheaper. Kondogbia long term would/ could prove to be an excellent purchase. We are still lacking in midfield as we have been for the past few seasons. To some up we need quality additions. We have a great squad but not a great first 11.

Mad Hatter

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19 Aug 2013 22:14:23
I go through three keyboards a week. Oh and I actually don't have any fingers to cut off, so now I bet your wondering how I type? Well let's just say its a authors secret;-) lol.

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19 Aug 2013 23:20:38
But he's prem proven. Romulo isn't. Witsel only played in poor leagues. Benders would be good. As for schneiderlein one season doesn't mean anything let's see him do it this season.

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So what you're saying shappy is that Fellini is just a big lump who isn't that great at playing football.

agreed

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19 Aug 2013 19:24:43
Wow!! Just bean on the Everton rumour page! We have really got there backs up, yes it was a low bid but it was Everton who made it public, Everton want to sell no matter what they say, there just trying to make us bid more, the bid was made last week, we have probably moved on now

Marm

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Moyes isn't in charge of transfer fee's, Ed Woodward is, all Moyes does is say who he wants and Woodward analyses how much they're worth and how much united will bid. They should get off Moyes' back, the only disrespectful ones here are majority of the Everton fans

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19 Aug 2013 19:21:25
What would all you wise sages think about trying to buy Mascherano from Barca?

Yeah, he's ex Liverpool and doesn't have a great public image but he's only just turned 29, has bags of experience, is just the sort of player we need and I bet we could pick him up for not much money - £10 mill?

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If we could get him cheap enough then I think he would be an excellent addition to our team. People forget when he's played in his proper position as a DM then he is one of if not the best DM on the planet.

There really is no one better at reading the game and breaking up opposition attacks. Plus he has that slightly crazy edge about him that worries players when they come up against him, kind of like Gattuso or Keane. The only down side is his passing is alittle limited.

If we could get him for 7-10m I would be very happy.

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Barca have confirmed that they are not going to sign a CB. So that makes Mascherano their starting CB.

I really doubt they'd sell him.

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Wouldn't have him if he was free and wanted to pay us.

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I'd be happy with that leaving us more cash to then go sign a quality creative mid like Modric! Them two for £40m?

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Dont like the bloke but its a decent shout very versatile too also cheap but due to age we will have the same problem in a couple of years would prob prefer someone a little younger.

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I loved him as a player before he went to barca but since being there he's showed how much of a tw*t he is, don't want that rat at our club

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Not if he was the last footballer on earth. A whinging brat who lacks footballing talent.

Sydney!

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Wow, that really split opinion.

surely barca don't intend to go the season with mascherano and pique as their first choice centre backs? the guy's only 5'9" FFS!

like shappy mentioned, I'm really concerned that we haven't heard a whisper of us being linked to a decent more defensively minded midfielder. there are players who have moved or I'm sure could be signed without protracted negotiations or massive fees.

why doesn't the club just take the easy option to immediately improve the team and solve a long standing problem?

there's such a massive disconnect between what we can all see is needed (including Moyes) and what's being done about it.

I've been racking my brain to try and find the answer and there doesn't seem to be one. does Moyes really think Fellini is a better signing at £20 odd million than Gustavo at £17 million or kondogbia at £8.4 million or paulinho at £17 million or mascherano at perhaps £10 million, schneiderlin, bender; the list goes on.

Moyes must have the same stats shappy has so why is he targeting an average player for big money?

too many questions, not enough action. at least I don't support arsenal

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19 Aug 2013 19:02:38
Iv being reading the posts all morning about the fro and the sideburns an how some of you describe our bid being embarrassing and amateur an its really funny that the fans panicking is blinding there common sense so let's put it in persons terms for some of the degenerate toolz who "know what they are talking about". Firstly fellainis clause was well publicised at 23 million ish which has now run out cause not only us but every other club did not think he was worth it otherwise he would be gone already FACT. Secondly baines is a great player but is 28-29 and has only two years left on his contract an if he wants a spot on the national team for the world cup he needs a much bigger club. all in all 28 mill not completely fair but its a start an it has its own effect .


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19 Aug 2013 18:54:44
Just another idea, how about we offer £5m for Ross Barkley!? Only joking Everton fans, so chill out.
You should be proud that your club is producing and/or buying good players and turning them into top players that other clubs are interested in.
Nomidfield

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Nomidfield,

Ross Barkley will be next seasons major transfer drama ;)

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Tell you what for £28m you can have Osman and Anichebe?

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28 million rupees maybe!

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Would waste money on baines or fellaini we need younger players in if had to have 1 it just be baines any day fellaini is just average to hot headed

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19 Aug 2013 18:44:37
all day about fellaini and baines, everton fans slamming our 'insulting' bid and a lot of united agreeing the bid was far too low.really?
baines is a good left back don't get me wrong but at his age I wouldn't pay more than £15m and tbh I don't understand why we are even in for him anyway.
we need a player like fellaini IMO but he's not worth more than £20m at most and tbh we could probably get lars bender for around the same price who is far better.
I understand everton fans would rate them higher than that but IMO £35m for both is about right bur there are better options than both of them for similar values.
I read earlier someone saying that everton are in the driving seat because theyr not desperate to sell, well tbh were not desperate to sign them, baines certainly anyway.
anyway my point is that realistically we are around £7m under what theyr worth so how is that insulting? its called room for negotiation. like everton will do when they bid for mccarthy!

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19 Aug 2013 18:39:56
Anybody see Paul Pogba play at the weekend against lazio. He owned the midfield. All this desperation for a cm and we had a world class talent. For the sake of giving him a few more games and £40k a week. What a mistake to make.

The lad was right to leave. World class.

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Move on.

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Wait till you see Ravel Morrison this season

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Anon, it is kind of relevant given we need cm reinforcements. You can bury your head in the sand, but if you don't learn from your mistakes you are bound to repeat them.

"The man with a name"

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He was an unproven 18 year old demanding ridiculous wages, he should just be happy to be given the chance, he broke off his ties with the club, not the other way around. And I agree with Kloot, I think we will all realise soon that Ravel is "the one who got away" so to speak, heard good things about his pre season and attitude to the game at the minute.

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In one of his rare mistakes SAF dropped a real clanger with Pogba. The lad wanted first team football and for whatever reason we chose not to give it him. The fact that 6 months later he's a regular at Juve is just embarrassing.

What price Pogba now I say rather than the childish 'move on' comment.

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Yeah, Ravel. Just the type of person Manchester United should be proud to have around. And you slag Rooney off for his attitude?

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19 Aug 2013 18:31:08
Over on the rumours page another fabregas rumour has been posted, with all the chirping going on about the baines and fellaini bid and how much they are really worth it got me to thinking how much would u guys be willing to pay for fabregas? Please no everton fans giving us their valuation of him because judging by today it would be billions and kno one with "fabregas isn't coming" I jus would like to kno how much you guys would value him. {Ed004's Note - 35 million}

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£40m with a few add ons

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40 mill & I'd carry him from Spain.

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I reckon up to £40 mil and worth every penny!

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35 million plus add ons.

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In today's inflated market and considering that he could well be the fulcrum we have missed for the past three seasons or so, I think even 45m would still be good value.
It's crazy money, but football has gone crazy and while I have generally agreed with recent policy regarding transfer pricing and wages I think the club felt that prices would come down, which in time they may, but the 'new' money from France and the recent hike in TV money over here as kept the market inflated.

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From his display last night I would pay £42 million

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He would be worth 40 mill to United,
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£100 million (its not my money)

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19 Aug 2013 18:29:13
'I've always said it's expensive to buy off Everton. If you're going to come and try to take our better players we don't sell cheap, that's for sure, ' David Moyes, 17th October 2011.

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19 Aug 2013 18:21:42
Here's wishing all the Everton Fans would get a grip, I realise there may be some long words in there but how about reading all the lines rather thean between them.

'Everton can confirm that it has received bids from Manchester United for two players. Those bids were immediately rejected out of hand as derisory and insulting.
The Club did not make public these details as it was vital Roberto Martinez's preparations for the opening game of the Premier League season were not disrupted in anyway.
Alan Myers
Director of Communications'

Also, in respect of Baines, Martinez himself stated: "Before we went to Austria one club officially contacted ourselves with an offer, and it was a final offer. They put something over and the valuation wasn't anywhere near the quality of Leighton Baines. That was the end of it but since then, there's been all the speculation, which has been part of what the transfer window is. There's never been another club or anyone else putting in an offer for Leighton. Since then, we've moved on and we're continuing to focus on the start of the season."

This all suggets that a £16m bid was made for Fellaini last week and that Everton were told the £12m for Baines is still on the table, no more!
Nowhere does it appear to say a joint bid of £28m was made!

My belief is an opening offer of £16m for Fellaini is fair and Everton will sell for £20m plus add ons. Irrespective of what some on here may think he would be improvement upon on current midfield options.
I for one don't want Baines, . Keeping Evra, Buying Coentrao, Buttner out on loan, Fabio as back up to Raphael, makes much more sense, both in terms of immediate financial gain and long term planning.

A double deal with 'that Mob' for Coentrao and Modric, with Fellaini also arriving and I'd consider that a good window!

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19 Aug 2013 18:02:26
Not sure if anybody else noticed it, or even if I saw this right. but; everybody has seen the 'lone Rooney' picture, but did anybody see him when United scored the first goal on Saturday? I swear I saw him jump out of his seat but the camera quickly panned away.

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Exactly what the press hate. I saw him clap Persie's first goal. Ohh how we love a controversy. Having said that, he did look peeved about something though.

Deeps.

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Thing is, Antonio Valencia walked back to the half way line as well. The press make a story out of the smallest action. I reckon Rooney was annoyed about the tackle, and maybe he knew the game was over.

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19 Aug 2013 17:58:39
So I am taking it that even after Sunday the Rooney fans are still happy to support him and defend him? Even though the away fans supported him and sang his name he still had a face like a slapped arse and looked like he was being hard done too. He earns a ridiculous amount of money to do something he loves to do, he is playing for the biggest club on the planet and still has supporters singing his name, after everything he has done, but he still behaves in that way, the guy is a disgrace and I don't really care how many of his clueless supporters come on and have a go.

No matter how good a player is, if he behaves like that then Manchester United should get rid and that is exactly what I think they will do. It is sad that so many put a few goals/assists in front of the image and history of our great club when choosing to support such people. I'd rather go back to winning nothing with 11 guys who would die for the cause and with real supporters in the stands than what we have currently to be totally honest.

All views shared in this post are that of the person posting.

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So what's your solution Brendan? Give Chelsea an early Christmas present in the form of 20+ goals and countless assists for the season and send the Glazers laughing all the way to the bank? If you want to be successful you keep your best players, you don't sell them to your rivals.

His general manner may have been undesirable on Sunday but he still played his part like a professional. Once the transfer window shuts it will be a different story.

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Brendan, it was disappointing to see his reaction for sure. But I think united haven't been without blame. If they just retracted Ferguson's statement, then I'm sure this situation would not have arisen.
As much as I admire your view of having 11 players dying for the cause but winning nothing, I think we will all be calling for heads to roll if we went on a Wenger like trophyless period. I have supported united since 68, and while I'll always support them no matter what happens, I much prefer the club winning than not. I don't want us to go back to 26 barren years.
Let's give Moyes a chance to sort the situation out one way or the other.
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Lol. good disclaimer at the end of the post. I have nothing against your post. I know its an opinion and just like me you are strongly opinionated about this. Fair enough. I just think, we don't know the full story. He did clap and acknowledge the away support whilst warming up.

Anyways let's wait and see. Moyes certainly does not seem to think like you, as far as selling Rooney is concerned. You really think he is going to give Rooney game time before Shinji if he was to be sold?

One of his "clueless" supporters

Deeps.

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People can defend rooney all they want and go on about how good he is and it would be like gifting chelsea the title but the fact is he clearly doesn't want to be here and will continue to act like a spoilt brat until he gets what he wants and like it or not he wants a move to chelsea!
saying that its a tough one for me because as much as iv made my feelings about rooney pretty clear part of me doesn't want him to get his own way.

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In my eyes it is as follows

Rumple - If Chelsea want him then it is a straight swap for Mata or Hazard nothing else, tell them to agree or go away. If they decline then offer him to Arsenal and any foreign clubs. If no one wants him, he either sorts his head out quickly or he is a bit part player this season, his choice.

Nomidfield - no one was in the meeting with SAF and Rooney, how do you know he didn't ask for a transfer? Do we retract the statement even if its true? I don't like not winning things but if its thst or be dictated to by players then I choose that.

Deeps - we really have no idea what Moyes thinks, he could be telling the truth and he could be bluffing completely to get the best price. Shinji had travelled to snd from Japan days earlier so it was always going to be Rooney last weekend before him. let's see what happens from next weekend onwards.

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19 Aug 2013 17:54:44
One things for sure we've certainly moved rather late-on baines.sorry lads.

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What are you apologising for no name?

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Oh come on, GDS! :)

StevieK

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19 Aug 2013 17:51:15
Well, someone help me out with this, why would Everton, make the bid public, in the manner that they have unless they wanted united, to make a better offer?

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I think they want a quick sale, to give them time to make replacement acquisitions.

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19 Aug 2013 17:49:41
At least Everton haven't said they are not for sale.

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19 Aug 2013 17:49:35
Wouldn't Coentrao & Kondogbia be younger, cheaper & better suited to United than Baines & Fellaini?

Red Spark {Ed004's Note - Yes!!}

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Yes they will.
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Agree completely

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19 Aug 2013 17:40:55
The Everton page is in meltdown! the level of abuse shown toward united and Moyes in particular is shocking.God yes the offer was a little low but I assume it was used as a starting point.People need to get a grip there are a lot of efc fans saying" how would united like it if we bid £10 mil for Rooney" I personally would feel that we would not accept it and laugh! I would certainly not be calling there manager and club every name under the sun.Anyway the bad news for EFC fans is that Baines and Fellaini will be in red shirts sometime over the next couple of weeks :) for a joint fee of around £36/38 mil.

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19 Aug 2013 17:28:30
I think all you utd fans are failing to realise that everton are in the driving seat, were not desperate to sell hence the reason we can hike the price up to what we see fit, Moyes is a joke and he doesn't hold any cards

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So not desperate to sell that they announces the bids to the public despite united keeping things private.

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Don't kid yourself, you badly need the money

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Baz, I don't think we're that desperate to sign baines. Fellaini, will do a job, but there are so many other options. Better and in some instances, cheaper.
There are no other clubs showing any real interest, so it all depends how much Everton want the money.
Nomidfield

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19 Aug 2013 17:11:56
Everton fans are calling David Moyes for trying to buy Baines and Fellaini from his former club.
Remember this Everton fans, your manager did exactly the same thing when he went back to Wigan and raided there best players.
Get a grip bunch of moaning scouse scallys!

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Nonsense of the highest order. Couldn't be further from the truth. Dave Whelan gave the green light and stated ALL his players were for sale including to Everton.
We paid Kone's release clause (we didn't bid half of what he was valued at by Wigan), Alcaraz was signed on a FREE transfer (meaning he was unattached) and Joel Robles was purchased from Atletico Madrid.
Don't let the facts get in the way of your ignorance though.

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You also want to raid Wigan for James McArthy though, and the only you have not signed him already is the fact you don't yet have the money.

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19 Aug 2013 17:08:02
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This moaning and gettig at eachothers throats on this page today is doing my head in! We got Evertonians chucking their 50p in, us lot argueing with eachother, fans callin for Moyes head.

Have we become that arrogant as fans we expect United to throw money at clubs to land their man whatever the cost?!

Remember what this great club was built on, United are never going to pay stupid money for anyone. Talk of Baines for £20M + is obserd. Who was the last 28 year old LB to go for that amount?

I think we're all panicing because the deadline day is getting closer, all i'm greatful for is thank f**k these fans who are saying pay over the odds ain't in charge of our finances

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Who is saying pay over the odds? Most united fans don't want us to pay too much for either player. I think £32m is the Max we should pay.
Nomidfield

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19 Aug 2013 17:07:45
I think that both Baines & Fellaini would improve our team, Baines' talent is un-doubted and imo he is the best English left back over Cashley.

Fellaini adds the steel that we are lacking, as well as an aerial threat from midfield.

£35m for the pair is about fair, however, we would still need a creative midfielder, e.g. Modric/Fabregas etc to compliment these siginings, this would give us real strength in depth to challenge both domestically and in europe

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19 Aug 2013 16:40:01
Syd, EDs and others how far are we with locking down on the 25 man squad?

I am not aware of the rules to name that squad, can anyone please share the rules?

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Players 21 or younger as on 1st january of that respective year are not counted as a part of the 25 man squad, rest all do

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19 Aug 2013 16:58:27
What was forecast as a worst case scenario at the beginning of the transfer window has come to fruition. Whether it be through lack of ideas or lack of trying our attention has reverted back to Baines and Fellaini, neither of which are United quality IMO.

I genuinely want things to work out for Moyes but first impressions don't bode well. Let's hope things continue to go well on the pitch, because, off the pitch, it's been a case of the blind leading the blind. Quite frankly it's an embarrassment to the tradition of Manchester United.

Queue the onslaught from the optimists, but before you berate me, ask yourself this question, are you completely satisfied with the shenanigans of the transfer window? Or, more importantly, would we be in this position/mess had SAF still been at the helm? Seems a little like double standards to me, Moyes is happy to have his hand held by SAF when it suits, but with regards to transfers it's his way or the highway. Madness.

Transfers or no transfers, I for one will be glad when the window shuts, the anticipation is becoming tedious.

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I see your point but I honestly think that if Baines and Fellaini are signed, we are only a Fabregas or Modric away from being competitive in every competition. And then Ronaldo is still to sign too. Haha

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You're miles off if you think Baines isn't good enough but your other musings are spot on. United are in a mess despite the win on Saturday and the slide will start soon
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Rumpster

I'm a optimist but I'm rather frustrated at the moment. We seem to be chasing a host of players and getting nowhere. Our activity this summer appears amateurish compared to other seasons. Perhaps it's the Chnage of Manager and swap of Gill/Woodward but you would have hoped for something a little more joined up. And still people tell us 'something big' is about to happen. I've never bought in to the £XM to spend argument - we have bought tactically for some years now but atlast we have got on and done it as opposed to this market stall bartering we are seeing this year.

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Rumpster (?!), didn't know our relationship had progressed to the point of pet names AJH ;) . Nevertheless, completely agree, amateurish sums it up perfectly, I fear this is a sign of things to come in the Woodward era, but the meticulous attention to detail of "dithering Dave" is no doubt a factor. I also don't buy into the "unlimited budget", just sounds like spin to calm the nerves of fans fearing a rough managerial transition.

Son of Sir Matt:

We should be targeting and closing deals on Fabregas and Modric type players for all the positions which we need to strengthen. We are Manchester United and we already have enough squad players.

Huey Driscoll:

I agree with RED SPARKS, Conetrao is better in terms of age, cost and ability.

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Rumplestiltskin its my opinion that the transfer issue may be due to gill leaving not necessary saf going and moyes coming in. Unless moyes is saying that he won't go past a certain figure for a player I would say its not his fault

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Rumpel

If we have zero world class additions by Sep 2, I will not blame Moyes. I will berate Mr Woodward, who quite frankly has been anonymous so far. First he decides to give the team his gracious company on a money spinning trip, then jets off to God knows where. Tells Moyes to go public with Fabregaas and bang "egg on face".

I think SAF missed out on a few high profile transfers in his time. Moyes effectively joined on 1st July. So if our transfer activity falls flat on its face, it is Edward Woodward who is accountable. I know there are other factors that govern a transfer, but with players like Capoue, Gustavo etc going for meagre sums this window, you can't have excuses.

Deeps.

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19 Aug 2013 16:46:31
I know the Baines and Fellaini debate has been done to death already but I'd just like to add a bit too it after looking at poll on talkshizzle.

The poll was asking if fans think united should sign the pair with 49% saying yes and 51% saying no.

I myself can't decide if it would be a great bit of business that would make us more stable or a step in the wrong direction.

The upsides to it are:
1. We would have a destroyer that could sit and free up the likes of Carrick, Kagawa, Anderson etc.

2. We'd be better defensively in our two weakest points (left back and cm)

3. We'd have a plan B, if we're loosing in the last 10 minutes of a game we could throw Fellaini up front and he could cause havoc.

4. We'd have another great set piece taker in Baines.

The downsides are:

1. Fellaini's a c***, let's be honest that's the only reason we're against him signing, he's an annoying, mono-browed, gangly t*t. He'll win the ball back play it simple to more technically gifted and creative players (which is what we need) but at the end of the day he'd ruin our image.

J J

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I was with you until you got to the downsides. Completely unnecessary. So what if he wins the ball and gives it to more creative players? At the moment we sometimes have trouble winning the ball.

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Most people are for the Idea including myself, it is just the fact that some of us have a different opinion on what these guys are worth and I don't find our offer that far off where we should end up paying, so don't understand all the hoopla.

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Fellaini will be a good move, I'm still not sure we need to spend a load of money on baines when we have evra, butter and Fabio for that position.
Nomidfield

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The thing is would moyes use fellaini in the cm role or would he use him in the same role as he did at everton? I mean he chose giggs over kagawa etc on saturday.

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19 Aug 2013 16:43:46
Don't believe we will keep Rooney. He seemed isolated on Saturday and it would be good for him and United if we parted company and bought a replacement. Also, if we buy Fellaini, I hope he's a squad player and that we are still looking for a creative midfilder who can run games. Fingers crossed that the rumours around Fabregas still being a possibility are true. Of course, if Ronnie came, the need for a creative midfielder would not be as great

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If we sell Rooney, who can we buy?
Forget ronaldo and Fabregas, they are NOT doing to united.
So if u can please give us a realistic replacement, then we're all ears!
Nomidfield

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19 Aug 2013 15:24:10
However the facts remain that Baines is valued at c. £18m and Fellaini c. £23m. That's around £41m, you're £13m short.
Whilst we're at it and the clubs are communicating, Everton should put a joint £12m bid in for Kagawa and Hernandez and see how Utd fans react to the derisory and insulting bid(s).

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No name scouser,

We would reject them bids as we don't need the money and shockingly kagawa and Hernandez wouldn't want to sign for Everton, whereas there is a good chance one or both of fellaini and baines will want to play champions league football, especially baines ahead of a World Cup year, can you see the difference?

You want 41 and we bid 28, it's called negotiation and I would imagine you would sell for about 35 in the end, depending on whether you want to hold out until the end of the window and not buy anybody to replace them.

On a positive note it is nice to banter with the blue side of Liverpool, your posts today have been in full English and your passion is refreshing, baz included. My post down the page was to wind you up and it clearly did, but at least your comments make sense and are not as deluded as the 2nd best team at that end of the lancs.

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Yes not all of us are literate but no need to belittle poor baz. I also take issue with the fact that the Eds decided to post only half a post?
I see where you're coming from and understand there has to be negotiations but to bid so low and risk the ire of the Everton board could mean we refuse to do business with you full stop.
That wouldn't reflect well on moyes or Man U.
There's no need for penny pinching anymore as Utd are the richest club in the world.
I'd expect BK would have done business for around £37-38m but now it's up in the air. {Ed004's Note - What do you mean post half a post nothing was removed on our part}

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I didn't start the post with However.?ed, that was the 2nd paragraph of a reply. I accept you wouldn't do it intentionally though. Anyway, no big deal

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Gds2. Exactly right and to the point. I think evertonians are upset as their best players want to leave. Period.
As you say, kagawa and Hernandez will not return the favour.
I don't know what they're complaining about, we gave them Gibson for nothing! Lol!
But one a more serious note, is baines seriously worth more than £12-£14m? He is 28 and when was the last time a lb of that age was sold for more money?
Personally, I would rather we didn't sign him.
Nomidfield

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Have they actually stated they want to leave? No, so it looks as though you're jumping to conclusions, jeez the arrogance and supposition is staggering.
And have you asked the aforementioned Kagawa and Hernandez if they don't want to play for a great club?

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19 Aug 2013 15:32:24
Does anyone know what time the transfer window closes at on the 2nd? {Ed007's Note - 23.00.}

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Cheers ed, appreciate it

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19 Aug 2013 15:25:32
Lets face facts. Baines is the most consistent and best left back in the league. And one of the most consistent in Europe. But he's 28, has 2 years left on his contract and should be good for four years. 15 million is a fair price. Also it leaves the question of what do we do with our other left backs. Could we deploy evra on the wing or would we sell? What about buttner or Fabio? As for fellaini he's a good player, would plug gaps as carrick and cleverley aren't the most physical pair. But 30 is daft. No one was interested at 23 million so who is going to pay 30? I think 35 million for the pair is fair. MrE

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19 Aug 2013 16:26:07
Are we serious? These are two players who would improve our first team no end, and we bid that? Why don't we just spend the money we have and get them? Baines is the best left back in the Premier League. You can't improve on that. we should just pay the money.

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1st bid mate, you don't start negotiations at your highest bid.

Red Joe

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Fellaini is not Manchester United standard end of!

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Well somebody had better tell your manager that.

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19 Aug 2013 16:01:12
As for Fellaini we want to make a big profit on him. We paid £15m for him when he was 19 5 years ago and want double the money we paid for him. If you United fans think we're desperate for the cash then think again.

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Felliani isn't worth 30 million, Mike. At best, he is a 23 million pound player.

I personally think Felliani would do a good job at United; but I think there are better options for us out there; and I hope the club don't pay over the odds for him. As for Baines, I have no idea why we are interested. Evra looks on form, and we have an exciting you left back in Buttner, who needs game time.

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You are desperate for cash.

J J

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We are not desperate J J otherwise we would have accepted the bid!

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If you don't want to pay the money SL then leave it, but that is what I rate him as, a £30m player and is still developing.

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Mike,

Ever wondered why no-one else has not come in for him? Might have something to do with the fact that no-one values the player that highly. Of course, Moyes' know's him better than anyone - and feels he can do a job for us; but I don't expect him to pay 30 million pound for him.

Felliani will force the issue IMO and we won't pay more than 22 million for him.

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That's because Moyes thinks he can get him on the cheap but he can't. He is worth £30m and would walk straight into your team.

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19 Aug 2013 15:01:05
All these Everton fans need to realise that we are just testing the water with this bid, why do you all think that just because it is you're club we should give you £40m straight up? Every time a manager changes clubs the first thing they do is try and sign a player they know. Brendan Rodgers went straight back to swansea when he left, Martinez signed two wigan players straight away!

Also what makes you think Baines and Fellaini are not trying to jump at the chance to join us?

I have a respect for Everton but you lot are throwing that away atm. We have sold you players in the past and you sold us Rooney. As soon as Moyes was named Manchester United manager you should have known he would go back for a player or two, or did you just want us to sign some of you're lesser players?

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Everton are going to take this to the wire and rinse the purse strings, Fellaini & Baines are under contract, it's not the mid 90's Everton aren't desperate anymore

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We don't want you to sign any of our players and we don't want your cast off's unless its Rooney (we all know his heart is with everton)

Baz

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19 Aug 2013 16:51:35
It is safe to say that Everton are playing the game. Their comments and use of the word 'derisory' insinuates - imo - that they want the deal done soon. They need to sign replacements; and I seriously doubt they want a long drawn out process.

Both Felliani and Baines want the move, so it is a matter of time before we comeback with an improved offer. Yet I can't help but think that both of these players' could have been signed last month, if Moyes' has had both players earmarked as major targets.

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. All these Everton fans need to chill out, anyone would think we were trying to pries Ronaldo from their grasp given their reaction.

One joker even referred to Baines as "probably the best left back in Europe" - and they say you can't get good LSD anymore.

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Baz, a financial advisor would tell Wayne otherwise. Rooney will not play for Everton whilst in his 'footballing prime'

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SLred

How can you know they both want the move? Rumour was Fellaini wanted to go to London, it wouldn't surprise me if Arsenal step in now. As for Baines, he seems a laid back loyal chap so I don't expect him to cause trouble.

If we are serious, then we should make a series bid, or better still have closed door discussions to try and reach an agreement. I'm with MrE, £35M as a start point possibly with add ons is about right.

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AJ, I find it hard to believe that both players' wouldn't run around Merseyside naked in order to get a move to United. Of course they want to come. Both players' also have a very good relationship with Moyes', and are probably keen to continue that.

I agree about our bid being a bit of a joke. That said, I cannot see the club forking out 30 million for Felliani, so I expect we will try and meet them halfway.

I am still confused to as why we never triggered Felliani's get-out-clause, unless Moyes' had made a prior agreement not to trigger it.

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19 Aug 2013 14:59:22
Obviously a lot of posts about Baines and Fellaini. Personally I really like Baines. Very good player, and a great set piece taker. Fellaini, I don't like him or his style of play.

For Baines I would pay the £15 million, but I would not attempt to sign Fellaini. Firstly I would sooner offer £40 million to Barcelona for Fabregas and offer another £30 million to Juventus for Vidal. I would prefer to offer £60 million to Madrid for Sami Khedira and either Luka Modric or Mesut Ozil. Granted Fellaini would improve the team, but we need top class centre mids, we need top class players so we can get to the next level to challenge Barcelona, Real Madrid, and Bayern Munich.

Currently, PSG, Bayern, Real and Barcelona would all fear Robin van Persie and Wayne Rooney on form, just as they and we would fear Ibra and Cavani, Messi and Neymar, Ronaldo and Benzema, Ribery and Robben, although I would rate Robin and Rooney above Ibra, Cavani and Falcao in terms of their all round game, passing, movement, vision, and of course their finishing and general shooting.

As I said I would love Fabregas/Ozil and Vidal/Khedira although Cesc and Vidal are entirely unlikely. So this is the way I would like to see us line up this season.

A fairly narrow 4-2-3-1, with Rafael and Baines/Evra providing the width, Carrick and Khedira protecting the defense, protecting the ball, and controlling the tempo. Ozil, Rooney and Kagawa, changing positions, making decoy runs, and making space, and keeping the ball, and making chances for Robin. To change things up, we could bring Hernandez off the bench, to take advantage of a tired defense, and we could replace Ozil and Kagawa and bring on two of Valencia, Zaha, Welbeck, Nani, and Young to provide more width and pace.

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19 Aug 2013 14:54:02
David moyes worked with Baines and Fellaini and I think he would know how much they are worth, therefore he will only go to the price he thinks is of sufficient benefit to United. Cost wise and Player wise.
He thinks they are good enough and both would improve our team, I personally don't think 28 million is enough. Maybe 35 million would be closer to their actual valuations, which would be a good piece of business in my eyes. Bolster up our midfield and provide competition for Evra which hopefully will force him and Baines to improve as a player.

Wonder now that this has gone public how it has effected Evra's and Fabio's confidence? Just another thing to think about. we may see some repercussions of this within the ext few days.
Jam

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Totally agree with you. There is no way that Everton would accept £28m for the pair. Unfortunately this seems to be the way transfers go now. The low first bid to unsettle the player and then a higher second, third and fourth. bid.

Chelsea did it to us with your fat ex player and regrettably we are playing the same game.

However it is not fair to blame Moyes - a manager tells the board who he wants to sign and leaves it to them to make an offer.

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19 Aug 2013 14:41:56
Everton fan in peace, I've been reading your page today and i'm astounded at some of the comments and reaction to the 28 mil bid.

1. 'The Fro' was bought for 15 mil which rose to 17.5 mil, and he has improved as a player and most importantly has 3 years left on his contract.

2. Baines may be 29, but he's English, has 2 years left on his contract, and is the best left full in the league maybe even Europe.

So 28 mil? you really are having a laugh, I think this bid is embarrassing for a club as powerful as United and smacks of desperation, Moyes has tried to sign player after player this summer and they all turned him down, so he turns to undermining and unsettling his former club, it must also be noted that we didn't make this public, your lot did, another effort to unsettle our club. These players are widely known to be valued at 42-45 mil for both.

They way Moyes and United under Moye are conducting themselves is embarrassing and questionable, and is making your great club a laughing stock.

Kurajan

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Haha bitter much are we!

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Embarrassing, it's called business

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Got to be careful we are ruining a decent relationship with everton 28 million it's not good everton have a kid barkley .if we leave a sour taste over this, it gives the likes of city and chelsea a jump start in future deals with everton .this to me is about moyes showing it's all about utd but is is good in the long run to burn bridges at everton

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We tried to sign one of the top midfielders around playing for a massive club that is his home town, so don't know where you get this everyone has turned you down bs. The reality is United are interested in very few players and it is the papers that make up the bs and link us to 50 players every transfer window.

Fellaini is a good player but not worth 23 million as per his release clause and evident by the fact that no club bothered to activate it.

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19 Aug 2013 14:39:38
If Welbeck was to improve his form and consistency in the coming games, how would people feel about a front three of Welbeck. Hernandez. RvP? With perhaps Zaha playing on the right sometimes and RvP taking the central role. I personally think it would be quite a deadly attack.

I remember the opening game of the season last year where we played a 4-2-1-3 formation. Kagawa could easily be the CAM in this formation with Carrick and another CM behind him. Our width could come from the full backs (as I think it will no matter what formation we play this season anyway).

With a formation like this, I could see the acquisition of Baines and Fellaini making sense. However I would prefer Coentrao and Sneyder.

Jokes. Coentrao and Modric/Cabaye would be decent!

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19 Aug 2013 14:39:16
How much are baines and fellaini worth, in this market at the moment prob about 17 and 23 mill ish imo.
But that would only be if Everton wanted to sell if they don't you will have to pay over the odds to get them.

If Everton decide that they will only sell fellaini for 30 mill, well that's his price.
I'm surprised we have bid 28 to be honest I would of thought United would of negotiated a bit before putting in an official bid.
In the past you would hear United are in talks for this player or that player this summer it's United have bid for this player or that player.
Maybe that's just the difference between Woodward and gill
Jred

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Well MU, Chelsea, Arsenal or anyone else for that matter did not believe he was worth £23m, hence the reason they never paid it for him. If Fellaini is desperate to leave and I suspect he is, then Everton will need to be reasonable. If they want £25m and the club offered £16m, then somewhere in the middle should be agreed in theory. It's clear MU or anyone else will not pay £23m for him so if they are demanding that amount or more then they could risk keeping an unhappy Fellaini as MU will not pay over the odds for a player like him. I think a bid in the region of £20m for Fellaini will be enough to sit down with Everton and thrash out a deal.

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I'm with you on this Jred

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Jred - You hit the nail on the head in your last sentence. People are harping on about Moyes being a disgrace and having no respect when he is not even the one negotiating the deal! Woodward is the man that does all of that all Moyes does is give him his targets. On another note I think £28 million is a testing the water type bid but a little cheeky but there is no harm in that maybe the thinking is that Baines and Fellaini will push through the deal. Hopefully we can get the pair of them for anything around £33-37 million.

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Syd
why would Everton want to sell one of there best players.
If I was Everton I would only sell him if someone offered big cash .
I also think the arsenal Chelsea argument is a bit daft, maybe they feel they don't need that type of player you don't just buy players for the sake of it
Jred

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Should of said 2 best players, baines and fellaini are very important to Everton if I was the Everton manager I would want daft cash to let them go .
I would say they are worth a lot to Everton because they won't be anywhere near as good without them.
I wonder where Everton would of finished last season with out them
Jred

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19 Aug 2013 10:08:28
"opps woodward did it again, he got lost in the game" I know he is the reason we don't get player's. now he paid 28million for fellaini and baines, i'm 100% sure, we would have atleast got fellaini for 28million and the lady is trying 2 get them for 14million each, it's not moyes fault, does he not get it, that he is at united now? I hope he get's it and bid 25million for fellaini and he will get his man, we don't need people like woodward he should have gone to west brom if he want to buy cheap. sorry guy's I don't want to be negative but that woodwood is starting to get on my nerves. united 4 life, he can ruin our team like he is behaveing, buy cheap and become like arsenal. zee (ed007 please tell me we are going to be ok) :) {Ed007's Note - I don't know Zee, it's not looking good so far but ask me again in two weeks time when the window closes.....Here's hoping though.}

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Zee

I'm with you mate. Syd will tell you it is a complex negotiation strategy whereas I think it is rank amateurism.

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AJH, this isn't the first time Ed Woodward has been involved in buying players. He's been at the club for a while and has handled the finances. The club are far from amateurs at this. It's pretty common for clubs to make low first offers to get the ball rolling. Chelsea did bid £20m for Rooney, was that amateurish?

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007, have you heard anything regarding Coentrao? Are we making derisory bids for Baines & Fellaini whilst trying to sign Coentrao & Modric behind the scenes? {Ed007's Note - I've not heard anything new Syd but it's a bit late in the window to be playing games like that. The bid to Everton was very real.}

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18 Aug 2013 22:01:18
Hi, do any of the eds think any deals will be concluded this week
Many thanks {Ed007's Note - Either this week or next week I would guess ;-)

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19 Aug 2013 14:35:46
AJH, you would have to be pretty brain dead to go straight in with a £35m offer. Everton will always reject the first couple of bids, certainly the first. MU know exactly what they are doing and like all negotiations, the bid will always start low. It's how it works my friend. Everton will want around £45m, we start the bidding at £28m and meet somewhere in the middle.

Syd

There is two ways to think of it.

1. We haggle and push for a 'slightly' better price in a shocking overinflated market and look a bit daft in the process

Or

2. We do the haggling in house and agree a fee maybe just over what should be paid and we pay what is needed.

So we 9.5 out of 10 times are in the 1 bracket when our rivals like Bayern pay what is needed. Was Martinez, from a team really at Evertons level in La Liga worth the 40m they paid? IMO not far off but they did over pay. they also got their man with no problems and kept it clean and easy. Same with Goetze, Neuer, etc.

I know exactly the type of game we are playing with the haggling but we should really not be wasting any more time with this and just get it done. For the sake of what could be 5+m against peeving a team off that we might want to get more players from in the future seems daft to me. This of course will no doubt happen and I am sure the likelihood will be we pay 35+m and will have wasted more time but I feel if they have always been the targets there is no point in the way we have played it.

Obviously Moyes believes waiting won't matter to them as they know his routine and will fit into it seemlessly but not so much with the new players. I would have paid 35-40m over a month ago and had them integrated by now instead of playing it the way we have to try and save a few million on the deal.

The Fabregas bids aswell were almost laughable IF the reported less than 30 and 30+ add ons were true.

So I know what you are saying and what we are doing but IMO we should have just got this wrapped ages ago for the sake of an extra few quid.

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Jono

Like me, you are clearly brain dead :-)

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19 Aug 2013 13:59:21
I've come across and had a bit of a rant today, here's one for you UTD fans - Moyes had inherited a title winning side from SAF, top players no denying!
Are you getting the feeling yet that Moyes does not have a marquee signing in him, not only that who actually wants to come and play for him?

You will be calling for his head come xmas, guaranteed!

Baz

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I guarantee I won't be calling for his head come Christmas.

I do fear Moyes apparant lack of "identity" internationally might restrict our ability to get the marquee signing. That said I do believe we will sign some quality players.

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If we aren't calling for his head at christmas will you come back here and apologise then?

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Yeah I'll come back and take it on the chin, but from the response I've just got, it says it all

Baz

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No TRUE United fan will be calling for his head. We UNLIKE any other team in the world understand what continuity means in terms of management. I go home & away with the same group of 8 lads & each one of us never called for SAF's head when Arsenal were running riot & Chelski had a good few years. Some fans are fickle, as you're proving by berating Moyes, after he turned you into a to 8 team with consistency. It's a shame because I really like Everton & what they stand for. It's just the way football is these days, money talks. We will 100% sign player before the window closes. If we don't I'll never post on here again.

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Baz you've been commenting on utds page all day, your starting to sound very very bitter, maybe you should swap to the red half of merseyside it would suit you more;)

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Wiggy, it's banter, obviously truth hurts

Baz

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19 Aug 2013 13:45:24
Heard arsenal have put a bid in for cabaye. I personally rate him but know others on here don't. If we have any genuine interst then arsenals bid could force us into action. Besides I'm pretty sure cabaye mentioned he admired us and would like a move on canal sports a few months ago

Park 3 lung {Ed004's Note - Id rather Cabaye than fellaini}

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So would I but a summer of cabaye, fellaini and maybe Modric would be amazing. Coentrao wouldn't be bad either

Park 3 lung

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Saw a few things earlier saying that Arsenal were going to big £20m for Pogba?! No matter how embarrassing we've supposedly been in the transfer market Arsenal will always top us.

Ozwald

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Not saying anyones wrong by rating Cabaye but IMO he's not good enough for us.

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19 Aug 2013 13:44:29
as much as I don't care for the blues, 28 million for 2 top-class players, in areas where you need to strengthen your team is damm well insulting to say the least, pay the price they are worth - 40 million at least.
ps, if lpool get willian to sign, we will be the most exciting side to watch, this guy has more skill than the great zico.

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Oh behave! Zico!

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We would'nt wanna learn lessons about how much a player is really worth from a supporter of a team who paid 35 million for Carroll and 20 million for Downing.

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LFC. really exciting to watch? Your posts get better each time.
You barely scrapped a result at Stoke on Saturday and you needed you keeper to bail you out of the sh*t with a penalty side.
The best you can hope for is 6th this season. You are so far behind Spurs and Arsenal now it's laughable and they will be competing for the 4th spot this season.
Jog on you mug!

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Dont forget 20m for Robbie Keane

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19 Aug 2013 14:31:12
More skill than Zico? Good to see the delusion is as high as ever down Merseyside. With no declarations that this is your year I thought maybe the level of delusion had dropped. Thanks for sorting that out for me.

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Zico! I think a bit of wee just came out.
Totally disrespectful to one if thee best players ever from one of the best sides ever.
Have a word.

Supasub {Ed007's Note - When we were younger we used to call Paul Hartley Zico, maybe he meant him...}

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You mean Willian who doesn't feature in Brazils games? He is a good player and you have a good Brazilian in Coutinho but let's not get carried away!

1redarmy

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Did you watch the Stoke game? Ronaldo & Messi would struggle to make your mob look good. One route & one directional. The cannibal is far too good for you.

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Lol bless ya lfc.
Come on guys let him have his moment. Wr all know how it works, evert player them lot sign is worldclass or at least in the making, every player that wants to leave is a disgrace.
Honestly thou Zico! This is by far the stupidest comment I have seen on here and we have to put up with tel some times.
Tell us ure great, tell us how good ure players can be or are, tell us how bad and mediocre we are. We will as we have been for the last 20+ years will have the last laugh.

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Thats why you paid 35 million for Carroll, no clue how transfer negotiating works.

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Maybe he did bond. Makes a change to "the new neymar" though.

Supasub

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19 Aug 2013 13:42:26
I see arsenal going for cabbaye now let's hope they get him as I'm dreading we'll get him.

Usual panic buys coming up from them

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Yeah because buying a French international with prem exp and an instant improvement to what we have is something to dread.

Did Dreamboat take you out on a date and never call you back?

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19 Aug 2013 13:39:22
While whilst everyone is busy picking holes in our bid for baines & Big Wig are we silently going about signing contreao?

He has handed in a transfer request and I think he would be interested in joining us. let's hope so.

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If that's true then why are we trying to sign Baines?
Makes no sense your post, why would be buying two left backs, plus the two that we already have at the club.
You do the maths. 4 left backs at the club.

Simmo

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19 Aug 2013 14:29:36
@Simmo

The bid for Baines and Fellaini was made last week. Everton only made it public now as they didn't want to disrupt their preparations for the game and unsettle the players.

We have since scouted Coentrao and he has handed in a transfer request.

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19 Aug 2013 13:31:04
There is no pleasing some people. Some of the negativity is ridiculos.

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19 Aug 2013 13:26:56
Arsenal has just made a bid for Yohan Cabaye, reported by Sly .

On the other hand we made 28 bid for Fellaini and Baines and I think it is alright to make a small opening bid.

Hope we will make a deal before Chelsea match. I really want us to beat them at home. And I am praying if Aston villa can take at least 1 point off them then it will be a wonderful opening week for us.

kind regards

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Rub it in why don't ya ;)

Poor Jono!

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19 Aug 2013 13:22:35
"Everton can confirm that it has received bids from Manchester United for two players. Those bids were immediately rejected out of hand as derisory and insulting.

The Club did not make public these details as it was vital Roberto Martinez's preparations for the opening game of the Premier League season were not disrupted in anyway.

Alan Myers
Director of Communications. (Everton FC)"

So its confirmed that this bid from us was made last week and isn't recent. Must have been early last week.

We have switched targets to Coentrao since then as I explained in another post. We will play the cat and mouse game with Everton for Fellaini now and put in an offer perhaps on deadline day which will be accepted imo.

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I suppose R Madrid will be a lot more willing to sell as Marcelo is preferred over Coentrao and the player wants to leave. Definitely fits in with reports last week of Steve Round and Phil Nev watching Coentrao as a cheaper option to Baines.

Ozwald

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Doubt he would be cheaper, they paid over 20 million for him so can't see them selling him for much less.
jam

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19 Aug 2013 13:22:28
To all those people on here slating David Moyes for putting in such low offers for players, please can you tell me when the manager held sole responsibility for the club's finances. Yes the manager will name the players he would like to recruit, but surely the transfer negotiations are done by those "upstairs" eg Edward Woodward etc. David Moyes would not have been my first choice, but give the man a chance. He has conducted himself well so far, and got off to a good solid start on Sunday.
MAJ

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No, no a lot of people here seem to think that Mr. Moyes went to business school which is why he got the job. Not only to manage the team but to also conclude all financial matters on behalf of the club.

Haha MAJ, a lot of people on here lack a fair few brain cells but you get used to it ;)

Ozwald

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If we really wanted Fellaini, why didn`t we use the buy out clause £23 mill? Obviously we see him as less than that, surprisingly.

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19 Aug 2013 13:17:55
Baz,

You ok mate? I have never seen you on this site before yet suddenly you seem to be a regular. I understand you are upset but I assure you that you are going to be even more upset in a couple of weeks time, so maybe get used to the fact we are signing your best players.

You know, like your manager is signing all the best players from his previous club?

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Again, we have signed one player from Wigan and in my opinion he is far from their best player. There is also no need for your arrogance as the world is used to your club achieving on the basis that you have been pretty much using stand over tactics for the last 20 years. It's just interesting how your now poaching players from what you would class as a "small club" due to the fact that nobody else wants to go to you because they are probably hanging out to go to your neighbours.

SydneyBlue

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No I'm not a regular as I'm an Evertonian, I've come across to see what the comments made by you guys on our players were like today and I'm shocked and amazed to be honest, if you buy our players fair enough but at the right price!

In any case I think you lot will be calling for Moyes head come xmas, watch this space.

So Fickle

Baz

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This tittle tattle back and forth is infantile. Everton and Everton fans value these players higher than Utd fans do, it's to be expected, of course.
However the facts remain that Baines is valued at c. £18m and Fellaini c. £23m. That's around £41m, you're £13m short.
Whilst we're at it and the clubs are communicating, Everton should put a joint £12m bid in for Kagawa and Hernandez and see how Utd fans react to the derisory and insulting bid(s).

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3 bites and even another post up the page from baz being very bitter. Worked a treat.

If moyes is that bad why did you keep him for 11 years?

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19 Aug 2013 13:09:25
Everton fan here, lost all respect for your manager! £28m is insulting and disrespectful and your going to have to pay £30m to get Fellaini alone and over £20m for Baines. If you include Rooney in the deal then maybe we will think about it.

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You lot are more clueless than the Liverpool fans.

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So you've never once tried to get money off mike? I presume when someone quotes you a price you then ask to pay more to be nice?
"include rooney in the deal and we will think about it", give Bill next to you a tap on the shoulder and see what he'd accept and we will then offer halfway as what happens during negotiations since the spawning of man.

Supasub

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U can keep them then mate, maybe u can explain to the bank where there money is then?
United are not a charity, we ain't bid 28m as a final offer but if are expecting anything over 35 u will be disappointed

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Nobody was ready to pay 23mil when he would DEFINITELY have left for that price then. Nobody will pay that amount even now. 30mil, i'm sorry but you are having a laugh mate.

Baines is 29. Van Persie went for 24mil at that age, so I think Baines being a defender is about 15-17mil and even that is pushing it imo. 20mil is ridiculous and we have switched targets since then and gone for Coentrao.

Regardless what your Chairman tells you, you do need the cash to balance the books and you would perhaps see Fellaini leave on deadline day without the money being reinvested in the team.

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I think toffee you need some chocolates as your sugar level is going down rapidly. Absolute nonsense

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Jesus Christ pipe down.

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Oh no a scouser has lost all respect for our manager!
Can I apologise on David Moyes behalf right now?
As for Rooney, have him I'll put his rattle back in his pram and push him there.
Oh wait a minute you could probably only afford his wages for 6 months before you'd go bust.
AJK

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ToffeeMike, not sure whether you're joking or not but regardless you've brightened up my day! Simply hilarious :)

Ozwald

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Do you evertonian lot seriously think that fellaini is worth more than £20m? Are u having a laugh?
As for baines, he is 29 years old, and I would not like us to bid more than £12m for him.
So Moyes was short by £3-£4m.
I hope we don't pay anymore, as frankly speaking, the prices are inflated as it is.
Nomidfield

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As for Fellaini we want to make a big profit on him. We paid £15m for him when he was 19 5 years ago and want double the money we paid for him. If you United fans think we're desperate for the cash then think again.

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19 Aug 2013 13:00:09
I personally think this combined bid was not received by Everton yesterday but may have been put in last week but has been leaked to the press only now.

We know since last week, that we have been heavily scouting Coentrao, Round and Neville had a look at him and he has also asked for a transfer and us having the lure of EPL and Champions League football would be favourites to sign him.

So why would we go back in for Baines? This bid was obviously made last week imo and is rather stale news. I think we will end up signing Fellaini on deadline day if they refuse to budge or before that if they accept a fee, sign Coentrao and maybe Modric or some other creative midfielder.

Also Willian or even Lewandowski cannot be ruled out as wildcards although with the latter, a final decision will solely rest with the player.

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It has been confirmed it was put in this morning

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RED, who says we were ever in for Coentrao?

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Syd then the question beckons, why weren't we in for Coentrao?

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I agree, I would prefer him over Baines, but there is no evidence to suggest we are in for Coentrao. We know Spurs want him though.

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19 Aug 2013 14:48:35
@Sydney!

He has been watched by Neville and Round. He has asked for a transfer. If i'm not wrong Mendes is his agent as well. The Ed has confirmed our interest in him. Maybe you could take a look at the Real Madrid page and get back to me.

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I have been keeping tabs mate and I know 001 says we are in for him, however 002 doesn't even mention us when discussing Coentrao. Perhaps that's down to him not wanting to help us in any way or it could be because we are not in for him and we were scouting someone else? That being said I am all for a move for Coentrao. He would be a great buy.

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19 Aug 2013 12:58:04
Why isn't any team going for Hamsik? he is been very consistent for Napoli and is a very good playmaker and scores goals on numerous ocassions.

Ajinkya_reddevil

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Because Napoli will literally want your arm and leg included in any deal.

Supasub

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Because napoli are arses to deal with, any bid would take weeks to complete ain't got that time.
He is a great player but I also believe he is very happy where he is too

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19 Aug 2013 13:28:12
Because he just signed a contract extension and is not interested in leaving Napoli.

ProgrammerFan.

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19 Aug 2013 12:40:47
David Moyes and the club know exactly what they are doing here. Everton are in desperate need for cash to pay the bank and have no cash to do so. Everton have to sell one of them this summer at least and if both want to join MU, then the club know Everton will be in a hurry to get the deals done so they have time to buy their replacements. The timing is clever, left it exactly two weeks before the window shuts. The low bid was always going to get rejected, the club would have known that, but at least now the two players will be itching to leave. A deal should be reached between £35m-£40m and I think we may see Everton trying to buy McCarthy over the coming days. That will be an indication that a deal is close between MU and Everton or Fellaini at least.

Sydney!

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I think a couple rumours about Liverpool wanting McCarthy will start to surface over the next couple of days. A poor attempt to hurry Everton into starting talks with Wigan.

Ahhh the politics!

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I think this bid is stale news Sydney! and may have been made last week and has been leaked to the press only now.

Coentrao has been scouted since then and has put in a transfer request and the Ed has confirmed our strong interest in him.

Just wrote a post related to the same.

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I pretty much agree with you there Sydney but do you not think that the money that we will eventually pay out which I think will be 35-40 million could be better used buying a better midfielder?
I said from the start that I though the only signings would be Baines and Fellaini, don't get me wrong they will improve the squad I just think we should be looking at better, more exciting talents.

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Sydney

I disagree. I'm not sure we have a clue what we are doing right now.

As for the bid, Moyes will know what Everton believe the players are worth and as he has such a good relationship with Kenwright this could have all been done quietly and sensibly. £28M is a poor offer and I don't accept it is a negotiating position. we look cheap and shabby and for one of the richest clubs on the world to try and bully Everton this way is pretty poor. I may be in the minority here but I expected a more professional approach from our club. I find it a little embarrassing

If the quired fee of £35M / £37M let's get on any pay it - they may not be marque signings but they would improve us immeasurably.

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RED, I think the bid was made on Saturday morning, perhaps late on Friday, but I think the info was leaked by MU today. I do not know if Coentrao is even wanted by MU. 002 didn't mention it when talking about Spurs' interest the other day.

Simmo, it depends on what more we have left to spend mate. If there is enough for a Modric type player then Baines and Fellaini isn't too bad. They are not my first choices, but they are EPL proven and will not take long to settle in.

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Syd

Just read your comments further down the page about not going in with a high bid as this would be silly. This may be true but I see no need to hack the selling club off so much they become entrenched which is what I fear we have done. Not sure who is managing our negotiations this summer but so far, I'm not impressed

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Simmo, also I think Everton will consider installments and add-ons. I do not think it would be £35m-£40m leaving the club in one chunk.

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AJH, you would have to be pretty brain dead to go straight in with a £35m offer. Everton will always reject the first couple of bids, certainly the first. MU know exactly what they are doing and like all negotiations, the bid will always start low. It's how it works my friend. Everton will want around £45m, we start the bidding at £28m and meet somewhere in the middle.

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Syd

Pease don't patronise me - negotiations will always vary depending on who you're negotiating with. Given DM was Everton Manager the usual start low and haggle looks foolish. I appear to be in the minority so having had my say I'm going to pipe down.

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Syd
Up untill this season who are the other players we Made low bids for and then bid again and again .
Jred

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Jred, we would have done it on every transfer, but the bids wouldn't have been made public.

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Syd
I would of said we would of negotiated said what we are willing to pay etc etc then either walked away or put an official bid in.fergy always seemed to be on the ball as to who was available and at what price
I think we are maybe going about things a bit different this year
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19 Aug 2013 12:36:44
Again I'm an Evertonian, I'm just wondering how long it's going to take before the penny finally drops?

Fellaini we value at £25m + (upfront)
We were all afraid you would come in before the clause expired and steal him on the cheap, the value went up not down

Baines we value at £20m + (upfront)
England's best LB/LWB, class act, great at set pieces and knows where the net is

Moyes kicked off over the way city went about getting Lescott, just the same as he's doing to us now

If he had any loyalty for us he would have also signed a contract at xmas and we could have got some sort of compensation (we gave Wigan £5m for RM)

Total disrespect

Baz {Ed004's Note - I honestly don't see how when not one team goes in for a player who is 'world class' when he has a buy out for 23 million will then go and bid 30 odd million a few weeks later. Football clubs are not ran by idiots}

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Ed - the point I'm making is these are the prices we value our players, apart from the fact they are not actually for sale, I thought Arsenal were a laughing stock but the focus is on UTD now isn't it

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Can you remind us how many players Mr Martinez has bought from Wigan and how much over the odds he paid. He got them relegated and then went and took advantage by buying their best players and is rumoured to be going back for macarthy?
Pot and kettle come to mind.

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Ed - do you not cringe at the fact Moyes told our player to put in a transfer request after the England game? {Ed004's Note - Were is the proof of that?}

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Although I do agree £28 mil is a bit low in my opinion - but know what Syney! and others mean about going in low to allow higher bids to materialise.
The 2 are not the same in terms of timing surely.
I think we could really do with Fellaini against Chelski (their midfield is where their strength is and where they will try to Boss us) but any Baines timing/decision surely depends on Evra plans.

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Colin the red, you say RM took advantage by taking their best players? I think we paid about 3mil too much for Kone to be honest, we also got an injury prime defender for free and I believe Joel Robles was actually purchased from Athletico Madrid!
I think like your manager you should do some homework mate.

SydneyBlue

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This is a team that went down and now need the money and have to get players off the wage bill, not only that but we have actually only signed one player in kone from Wigan, know your facts first (alcaeaz out of contract/Robles came from Athletico)
Not only that but we did our business before pre season not last minute, Moyes is a discrace!

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The Wigan and Everton situation is not even remotely comparable. The Wigan Chairman has publicly stated all his players were for sale after they were relegated.
This isn't even remotely connected to the Everton- utd situation, if Everton do go in for any Wigan players, we had the green light from the owner weeks ago.
Moyes and utd have not had the green light from Everton. Huge difference

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I'm sorry Baines £20m?! what have you been smoking mate. Yes he's currently the best English LB but he's 28 years old, with 2 years left on his contract. £15m at the most!

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19 Aug 2013 11:59:04
hi, ed's. I registered again, could not remember my password so I had to change my password and username again zee:) my new name is zee1

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Hi, ed's again. I could remember my password. silly me hope moyes is smarter. Joke he has to be to be manager of the greatest football team. my name will be zee sorry for confusing. zee {Ed004's Note - That's no problem zee}

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19 Aug 2013 12:12:07
I'm happy with Uniteds bid for Fellani and baines, 28million was always going to get rejected but it has planted the seed in there heads, we all no Everton need money and a bid of 35million should do the trick, we need baines quality, so stop going on about his age,, he is the best in the country,, van Persie wasn't a youngster when we got him but it doesn't matter because he is the best. I'm a big fan of Fellani, he is a battler and on his day he terrorises teams. (as we found out last year) so come on united let's sign them up!

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The bid of £28 mil, only confirms my suspicions that a marquee signing IS being arranged. The information I got from a source within the club was we were going all out for 3 new players 2 were premier league regulars ( Fellaini & Baines ) and the marquee was in his words MASSIVE!

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19 Aug 2013 12:10:34
Just been on the Everton page and I think they've gone mad, one guy even said 28m for fellaini, when no one paid 23.5m for a buyout! They seem to think that he'll ask for a transfer now though, which is promising. I think 34m could get both, especially since they have bank problems.

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Dreaming! How many times everton do not need to sell, the manager and chairman have said this numerous times due to the new tv money

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I think you'll find you have more financial problems than us

Baz {Ed004's Note - We really don't and I can't be bothered to take my time and effort to explain it to you as you are too bitter to listen to it}

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As an Everton fan may I just say I'm very embarrassed for Baz he's talking absolute nonsense re Moyes contract situation and the compensation we paid for RM. And not understanding the financial situations of both clubs is mind boggling.

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Baz u are very silly mate go back to the Everton page now

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19 Aug 2013 12:10:22
Question for the Eds and regulars.

Apparently we bid 28 million for Fellaini and Baines while it's quite clear they would not even consider anything less than 35. It's quite clear that we need to pay much more to get both of them and the United board is not clueless enough in order to submit such a bid for negotiation purposes since it's 1- well off the mark and 2-late in the window.

So do you think the bid was just a smoke screen or Ed Woodward and co are just that bad in transfer negotiations?

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I think it's exactly how negotiations work Mick. Go in with a low offer, once rejected up the offer until a compromise is made. This isn't any different than any other attempt to sign a player. What would be dumb is going in with a £35m offer for that to be rejected.

Sydney!

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Syd

Negotiations don't have to work this way bit I fear we're getting a reputation for trying it on. As I've said elsewhere on here, DM will be well aware of what fee is needed and Kenwright will also know that he is aware of it. The rest is all 'noise' and is unnecessary.

On a wider note, we need to start being clinical and direct when we want players, we appear to be dithering and penny pinching.

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AJH, it's how negotiations work. Everton want say £45m, we go in with a low bid and compromise somewhere in the middle. You are making this into something it's not. It's the run of the mill negotiation. Was we ever going to accept Chelsea's £20m Rooney offer?

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19 Aug 2013 11:48:29
actually so so angry and disgusted I'm sick of moyes already!! Here's why.

1. He said he needed time to evaluate the squad.
2. He said he needed time to look at the transfer market because he's shopping on a whole other level (how is buying 2 players you bought for everton shopping on a different level)
3. He claimed Utd are always interested in signing "the best players"

so why am I so angry? because we've been fed a line of rubbish the whole summer! the fans are hoping for modric fabregas bale ronaldo ozil (ya know. the "best players")? I've said it all along he's a puppet who's just happy to be given the opportunity to manage Utd so he'll take what he's given so actually a big part of his job is to sell it to fans that this is acceptable?

so is it ok that this is the level we're at? I'm not ok with this at all! look at barca, madrid, bayern, psg, spurs chelsea, arsenal, and even liverpool, when you think about it player for player every one of those teams has a midfield a hell of a lot better than ours! is this ok with you guys? am I wrong? we won the league and according to everyone we're suppose to be one of the top (very top) teams in the world and yet our marquee signing is Fellaini? so we've waited 7 weeks only for him to go back to his old club to take their players? I'm sick over this, you might say I'm being dramatic but standards set at this club dictate that we should be expecting more yet we are turning into a joke at this stage!

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While I think moyes deverves some time and respect I couldn't agree more with the state of our team/midfield

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I wish people would wait until 2nd September! People are welcome to an opinion, but whining like a girl with 2 weeks still to go, is pointless. Who knows what is/isn't happening behind the scenes?

Come back on the 2nd and then you MIGHT have a reason to moan instead of boring everyone now, don't think we'll be hearing from you though.

Brendan81

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You will be hearing from me and believe me I'd be more than happy to be wrong! you're right I am entitled to my opinion as you are entitled not to read it! so by saying you won't be hearing from me I can assume you have expectations that we're going to sign someone world class?!

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I generally don't agree with Brendan but on this I am with him. I think we need to wait till 2nd September and also only results matters. As long as we are wining I don't mind.

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And what world class talent are we going to sign? I agree with Jamal. Fellaini will do a job, but if that is the marquee signing, then it will be very disappointing.
I don't think we just want to sign a load of players for the sake of it, but city have signed four excellent players, Chelsea too. Spurs and scousers have strengthened. In Europe, bayern have bought goetze and this to, barca have got neymar, while Real seem to have bought all the best Spanish young talent.
And we think fellaini is the answer? He's not the complete answer as we still a creative midfielder and left winger in my opinion,
Before Moyes took charge, we were told to wait, then he took charge and nothing happened, then we were told he needs time, well he's had plenty of time nearly 7 weeks, and we are no nearer to these world class signings.
If you are so sure we'll sign too talent, then would u care to name them?
Nomidfield

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Brendan -

It's possible we'll have made a few singings come September 3rd; but the fact that none have been made before the start of the season is worrying. As Moyes himself said - this is the most difficult start to a season we have had in 20 years. With that in mind why put ourselves at an immediate disadvantage by making our signings late on?

Personally I'd sooner see us sign nobody rather than settle for a summer of Fellaini and Baines - but if they are our main targets why is a bid only just going in and why was it so low? Everyone will harp on about how you start low and increase your offer - but we could just as easily have had discussions with Everton to reach a compromise on price rather than making such a derisory bid.

As it is we look stupid. I know that's not entirely on Moyes - but saying that we're only after 'the best' and then going in for Baines and Fellaini doesn't help his cause.

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I agree with king of desert in that its results (and the way we play)that's important. If we don't sign anyone but adnan and zaha get games who knows how we will get on. The game against Swansea makes some peoples posts on here seem over dramatic and we aren't in half as bad position as some make out. I'm not saying we will win league or cl with the kids and current squad but it is possible and no one knows how the new managers tactics/training will affect things. Players like nani/anderson/wellbeck may benefit from a clean slate/different positions etc and improve or be more consistent. I still think we will buy this window though but unless something happens with Ronaldo I can't see it being a world class talent. Remember all its a team game not fitting x amount of big names into a team of eleven

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19 Aug 2013 11:40:43
Anybody else confused? Either something is going on that is going to gazump us all or the new management haven't got a clue. First Moyes says there's an unlimited budget, now we are officially trying to get players on the cheap, bidding lower than an expired minimum release clause Chelsea want Rooney for 30 million but want 50 for luiz. I give up, roll on the 2nd september so we can all stop second guessing. Have a feeling the party line will, well we did try for fabregas, thiago, fellaini but there's no value in the market. Losing hair here!

Bodgerico

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19 Aug 2013 11:37:41
Offer Rooney for wilshere?

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19 Aug 2013 11:34:35
I got one am glad our bid was rejected as I'm not overjoyed with the fort of them been our transfers regardless of them been improvements, would Rm Barca Psg juventus ect be worried coming up against us in the champions league, if course they wouldn't.

Fellani at the end of the day if he came I'd accept it but I would much rather Lars bender come in or even Yann M'Villa (he's a unit with a temper who wouldn't take any sh*t on the pitch much like keane never)

Baines on the other hand I do not want. I understand he's an improvement and how great his stats where but at his age I'd much rather keep evra another year whilst our back ups develop or even get fabio contreuo (spelling)

also we do need that more creative mid whom can keep the ball and make things happen with it, ideally a fabregas ozil modric gundogan type player

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19 Aug 2013 11:24:10
Just wondering can anyone remember what everton paid for fellaini? I think he is a club record transfer fee and if it wasnt 20 million it was close so they are going to want more for him I can see a deal being struck if we increase are bid to 35-40 I would say 37.5 would be good deal for both clubs.
Browred

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Are you actually having a laugh? they paid 15m for him! he had a buy out clause that expired that was 23m so you're saying after letting that expire we should now go in and bid more than that? wow just wow

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£15mill
johndenton

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I'm a blue, don't you get it? We value him at more than the clause not less, our worry before the expiry was that you could come in and get him on the cheap, seriously wake up and smell the coffee, he rolled over you last season, how long is it going to take before the penny finally drops?

Baz

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Baz, no one was willing to pay £23m for him. Wake up, he isn't worth more than that amount.

Sydney!

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The clause was there for a reason that's the minimum we would want for him. Jus cus the clause has expired doesn't mean we'll sell for less if anything its going to be more that the whole point

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He's worth more to us, besides he's not for sale

Baz

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No name, you are skint and you have a bank bill to pay. Fellaini will want to leave this summer and no one was willing to pay the clause. Beggars can't be choosers. You will need to accept a lower fee than £23m. You may not have a choice.

Sydney!

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Jamal they payed that before he played epl football he's value has risen that's what happens when you play well if we wanted him cheap we should of payed the release clause but in this over inflated market the balls in evertons court now. United need to learn they have to pay a lot for epl players in these times for any quality player it seems united or unprepared to pay the inflated prices but you have to with all the money flying round hopefully it will calm down with ffp but we can't wait to see if it happens
Browred

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I think you will find the extra TV money has paid the banks off this year. That means Everton are under no pressure to sell anyone so get your facts right Sydney.

Mickeyblue

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Mickeyblue, I don't think you get the TV money until this time next year.

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Ah so let me see, I have release clause on my house, and no one is remotely interested, then when the clause is expired and no one would even want to come close, then I put my house price up??
How the hell does that work baz? Seriously, just think about it for a second!
Nomidfield

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19 Aug 2013 11:05:10
Don't see why everyone is complaining about this bid for Fellaini only being worth £16m. What does everyone think he is worth? I am sure it was only a month ago that Rooney was only worth £25-30m and he is a world beater when he wants to be.

Fellaini has done nothing to prove to anyone that he is worth over £20m and has not played in Europe (or hasn't for a while). I understand that Everton value him as they have tried to play around him but everyone must see that the only reason we want him is to help bully other teams that over run us normally.

I would be reluctant to pay more than £20m and I would set that as my highest price. He is no world beater.

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Rave

I cometely agree with you

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Evertonian here, what would you have to say if we put £10m bid in for Rooney? I think this makes our point

Baz

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Everton payed 17.5 mill 5 year ago for 20 year old fellaini I would of thought they would want a good bit more now.
Jred

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Fellaini is no rooney though is he.

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Actually he is to us and he rolled over you last season

Baz

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So we have to overpay now because Everton overpaid for a 20 yr old Fellaini 5 years ago and they think they should get a huge profit? He isn't worth more than about £20m.

Brendan81

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Brendan
I think maybe Everton think he is
Jred

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19 Aug 2013 11:01:36
If the story on Everton's rejected Baines/Fellaini bid is true, then I'm a bit embarrassed. To talk about how big, honourable and historical a team we are (including Moyes himself during pre-season), after having approached Moyes in a slightly unethical way when he was Everton manager, we now go for Everton's two best players which they don't want to sell, at prices they would certainly find derisory. Are we trying to be clever? I'm sorry but we are looking quite the opposite when it comes to the transfer market.

Have we conceded that the big continental names are a step too far, hence going for British-based players from a lesser team? Those two would improve us, but are they what we really need, which is to take us to the next level of Champs League contenders once again?

Thankfully we won and looked pretty good in a tricky first game on Saturday.

Rave.

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It amazes me how people do not understand how negotiations work. Everton are in desperate need for cash to pay the banks. Last season they were bailed out by City when they purchased Rodwell. Moyes will know Everton's situation inside out and it's pretty obvious the club would go in with a low first bid to get the ball rolling. All clubs start off with a lower offer than what the player/s is/are worth.

Sydney!

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19 Aug 2013 11:18:33
Did I miss something, how was is disrespectful in the way we approached Moyes? He was out of contract in the summer and we made him an offer. We didn't need to speak to Everton for permission.

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Disrespectful shappy appointing another teams manager before the season had finished, we could of waited a few extra weeks.
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Was a blue in peace until I read Sydney's reply, we do not need to sell to keep the banks happy. We have got money to spend but are looking for the right players not just buying for the sake of it. Moyes was a great manager for us but went down in our estimation by doing what he did, he ran his contract down meaning we get no compo, he let Phil Neville's run down so no compo and finally comes in with what an only be described as a joke of an offer for two of our best players.

Lets see what happens if we come in with a bid of £10mill for rvp, we get laughed at, but by some or the posts logic then we are only doing what you are doing to everton. Rvp is a year older than when you bought Him, no sell on value due to being 30 something and could get badly injured tomorrow,

See we're I'm coming from? Baines is the best left back in this country and is worth a lot more than your bi for the two together! As I said was in peace but can't help being annoyed by dithering dave

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Everton do not need the money to pay the banks as the new tv money eases he pressure for he season. The manager and chairmain has already stated this. And also of course Manchester United needed permission to approach moyes as moyes himself said he was approached afyter the liverppol v everton game while still under contract with everton!

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19 Aug 2013 10:56:05
so we have bid 28m for both baines and fellani.my point is why it took us so long to make bid for them when they were our target.we are in the secnd last week of transfer and we bid 28m for players whch the other club are unwilling 2 sell and have less tym 2 find replcmnt.Whn baines and fellani were our targets why wait for so long just sign them and use them in preseasn to settle the team.

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Exactly

Priya_Devil_Utd

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19 Aug 2013 10:54:48
cant help but think these bids are a smokescreen for a huge signing why would moyes sour his relationship with everton? the club that gave him a heroes send off after ten years, the same with the fabregas bid, he has always wanted to move to barcelona why would he switch back so soon to one of arsenals rivals? these bids we are making public are silly, and they keep the media busy, perhaps we are engineering a big bid for someone and want it kept out of the spotlight to avoid interest from other clubs.

jakecp1

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Jake

It would be nice but our whole strategy this summer has appeared amateurish

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19 Aug 2013 10:41:24
Someone posted in the rumours site asking if Welbeck is perhaps a better partner for RVP than Rooney. Fair to say they got a bit of stick. However, is it such a silly argument? Welbeck is still developing and when playing for England has a pretty good goals to games ratio. For United he has been played in a variety of positions so how about a run up front with RVP. Let's be honest, we can run all day, he has pace, and he can finish. I'm yet to be convinced he will make it at United but I'd like to see him and RVP get a run if Rooney does indeed leave.

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19 Aug 2013 10:30:03
Any La Liga specialists out there? If so, answer me this. What happens if Barcelona and Barcelona B get matched up in a domestic cup? I am asking because I truly believe having a United B team would be beneficial, and the only conflict I see is in domestic cups, unless the B team gets promoted all the way to the PL, which obv they couldn't do. Just curious.

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19 Aug 2013 10:29:08
Evertonian here, just come across from our blue site to see what comments are being put out, everyone can have an opinion on valuations, here's what I think.

Moyes kicked off over the way man city did there business last minute in the way they got Lescott, exactly what he is doing to us now!

We value Baines at £20m, he's England's best LB, LWB - great at set pieces and knows where the net is, why would we let him go for £12m?

Fellaini we paid £15m + £2m add on's so why would we sell for less especially when his buy out clause of £23.5m has now expired and if anything the price has now gone up not down?

In my opinion Moyes is showing us no respect what so ever and I hope our man Kenwright tells him where to go.

Baz

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£20 million for a 29 year old left back? I don't think so.

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19 Aug 2013 11:23:02
How is it Moyes being disrespectful? All Moyes will do is tell Ed Woodward who he wants the club to sign.

After that its all down to Woodward about how much is offered and how he goes about it. Moyes will be busy sorting the team out and training and preparing for our next game.

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Bas, I may be in the minority but I agree with you and have said as much on this site and your site.

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To all other than AJH, I suggest you read my post again and digest the info, England's best left back and Fellaini who ran over you last season, it's embarrassing to even think about getting these players on the cheap, every player has there price but UTD and every other teams need to realise what we value them at, as for moyes, if he had any loyalty for our club he would have signed a contract at xmas and we could have got some sort of compensation, we gave Wigan £5m for RM! We are not so skint or desperate as you may think and I very much doubt that we will be rolled over by your bully boy tactics on signing players.

Baz

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19 Aug 2013 10:17:35
Sly reporting Hernandez's agent has confirmed he held talks with Valencia about a summer switch.

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Is agent is doing his job. But Hernandez wants to stay.

Sydney!

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I heard that he rejected Valencia to stay at Manchester United

True red

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19 Aug 2013 10:11:19
I think it's te someone told moyes he's eating at the ritz now not a greasy spoon

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Theres no ritz in manchester there's a nandos tho

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19 Aug 2013 10:00:27
@Red Man

Barcelona not selling Cesc is exactly the same as United not selling Rooney mate. Its got nothing to do with the money offered, they just don't want to sell him. If there was a price put forth by Barcelona at which they would consider selling, we would have tried to match that by now. Barcelona's game is heavily dependent on central midfielders, they need him.

There was never any question of whether he will get first team football or not once Thiago left.

You really need to get over your obsession of Ronaldo and Cesc and realize that if players are not going to be sold, you need to look elsewhere to improve.

Modric is a good player, and the best we can do at this moment. He too might not be allowed to leave. A lot will depend on what happens with Bale and I have a strange feeling that he will end up staying at Spurs.

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I agree most part except that we wouldn't have matched the price tag Barca would be looking for. we don't have unlimited funds and even if we have we won't pay that much.
RumourNo.1

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19 Aug 2013 09:53:28
I think 28M for both Fellaini and Baines is just spot on, because I rate Fellaini at around 16M, the rest for Baines. Don't understand people that say the bid is an insult to Everton. Seems to make absolute sense to me

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I understand what people are saying, especially since including add ons Fellaini cost 17.5 million, then a couple of years down the line after he's become established in the premier league we come along and bid less than they bought him for.

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I think 14 & 18 mill will get it done. Not sure it will happen unless both players push for it given how late we are in the window.

I actually hope we go for banega as he is much better all round player.

Shahram

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I'm finding it embarrassing particularly as Moyes was their Manager, put a price on them, and is now trying to get them on the cheap. For God's sake, we paid £7M for Bebe. £35M for the 2 is a reasonable offer

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Everton will always reject the first offer, perhaps even the second so it may as well be a derisory first offer to get the ball rolling.

Sydney!

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Unfortunately, our rocket scientist CEO came out and said we have unlimited funds in June. So we are going to have to pay over the odds for players.

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19 Aug 2013 10:09:40
am I the only one who thinks that these so called "pundits" are overhyping the chelsea team. I watched them play hull yesterday and they are nothing special, and honestly apart from their midfield are they better than us in any other area. if we could just pull off two midfield signings maybe fellaini and modricozil

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Totally agree. Chelsea were not impressive.

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Souness quote of the only difference between them amd barca being Chelsea can defend was laughable and just shows why he ain't in management anymore

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To be fair they had the game done and dusted in first 20mins

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19 Aug 2013 09:38:09
The double bid for Fellaini and Baines is interesting. Of course Everton haven't revealled when that bid was made. Which is a key element to the transfer.

Some people are saying that 28m is an insult, but when all things are considered I don't think its too far off their real valuation. Fellaini is worth between 16-18m imo and Baines between 12-14m. I certainly wouldn't pay more than 32m for them combined.

I know other will disagree but Fellaini had a release clause of 23m and no one was willing to pay it. This shows that 23m is far too much as most teams are prepared to pay a little bit too much to secure the right player and they all feel 23m is more than abit too much.

As for Baines his value is effected by his age, he has 2/3 year definately left as a top player but after that its debateable how long he'll remain a top player. He could suffer a serious injury which he never quite recovers from due to his age, or he could just fade away. So in real terms he is a short term solution with no resale value. If we sign him for 12m and pay him 4m a year on a four year deal then that's a 28m investment without considering all the other fees involved in signing him. And for a player who may only be a top player for 2/3 years that's a lot of money. And bear in mind he is likely to cost more than 12m and will likely earn more than 4m a year.

So between 28-32m is about right for them both.

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I would say they are worth more than that to Everton, no way they will sell for that

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19 Aug 2013 09:54:49
Just goes to show that you know nothing about football Shappy, Felli destroyed you last season and Baines is England's now number 1 LB, enjoy Moyesee because you will all be calling for his head by Xmas, by the way looks like your big spending days are over if you have only mustered up this bid.

For me and all other Blues Moyesee can go and F**K himself, totally disrespectfull to his former club.

I think a lot of Blues don't mind Utd fans mainly because of the Koppite-Utd hatred but with numpties like you saying 28 million is a fair bid you could drop that number dramatically

Degsy

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Shapps

I think this is just Utd playing their usual hardball. Unfortunately we are in no position to barter with them as we have left it so late. If we had done this earlier instead of the last 2 weeks of the window we could have squeezed a better deal but Everton will stick to their guns and I believe we will need to pay 35ish. IMO that is decent value, not massively over pricing in todays market but not a bargain either.

Plus I know you put it as how much Baines would cost in pounds over the four years but IMO replacing Evra is priceless as he will instantly shore our left side up. So footballing wise I would say he is worth it.

Then Cabaye for 15m and we are sorted (but for a disgruntled Rooney) for around 50m ;)

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19 Aug 2013 10:23:16
Its an opening bid mate, you don't think anyone would go straight in without testing the water first. 35 for both would be fair. Yes Baines is top class but saying he's worth almost twenty is a joke. Considering what we paid for evra. MrE

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I think £37m is a fair price. £22m for Fellaini and £15m for Baines.

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19 Aug 2013 10:30:23
Degsy, you sound like a bitter ex girlfriend. How totally disrespectful you are to a manager who gave your club 11 years of excellent service. He served your club with distinction. And your thanks for that is to tell him to "go **** himself"

He is a very good manager, and I certainly won't be calling for his head by christmas. He will take some time to adjust but he'll do well.

Fellaini is a very good player but he certainly isn't worth more than 20m. And Baines maybe the best LB in england but for the reasons i've mentioned previously he isn't worth any more than 15m at the most.

But your and Everton fan so I accept your bias when it comes to your players valuations. Ultimately if I were you I wouldn't worry how much you get for any of your players as it won't be reinvested in your squad. If we pay a few extra million for Baines and Fellaini it'll just disapear somewhere.

You ask any United fan if their happy with the 80m we got for Ronaldo and they'll say they aren't fussed how much we sold him for as not a penny of it went back into the team. And if we do sign Fellaini and Baines you'll see that the money will just disapear.

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Jred

32 mill is fair value. We can probably get coentrao and banega for 32.

Shahram

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Sorry Shappy, we are being cheap. £35M for the pair seems about right. I thin we are starting to look slightly silly now

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Come on Shappy, we are being cheap. I think we are starting to look silly now

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28 million is about right.i rate Barnes but wouldn't touch side show bob with a barge pole.we need to be signing world class midfielders not second rate ones.this is all down to those muppets the glazers.we were never going to get cesc so why no bid for to ago.its now the 19th aug and still no signings.this smacks of desperation to me.Blackpool Red

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Degsy you have no clue lad fellaini had a buy-out clause that no team wanted him for so simply he is just not good enough for the top teams he is only worth what someone is willing to pay

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AJH, silly would have been going straight in with a £35m offer for it to be rejected. I am shocked that so many people on here do not know how negotiations work.

Sydney!

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Shappy, you mention baines age? van persie, last year, how old? how much paid? how long did he have left on his contract? how much his wages?

baines, one of if not best left back, look up stats! - 15-20mil, cut it down the middle 18mil (yes round up) if he improves and helps you win, like RVP then he's worth it!

felli, if you really watched him his real position isn't even were he was played, and in his natural postion he is a monster of a DM and box to box enforcer, he out plays hazard in belgium team, and how much chelsea pay for him? still only 24 and not reached his best, if he were anywere else higher club his worth 50mil, so 30mil sounds like a bargin, but will prob go for 23-25mil, 2 years excelling at united would see him worth 45mil (sell on value would pay for him and baines)

41mil (bottom price used) for the 2 is a bargin, and would no way weaken the team, money were mouth is! and allow everton to do some business, the club who not only moyes helped, but helped make moyes, the club in the final year moyes and united broke FA rules against. if you want, make a propper offer!

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For moyes himself to come out and laugh of are valuation last year then bid less I can see why everton fans are pi55ed off shapy, yes he had 11 years there then he turns round and trys to do them over respect works both ways, us and everton have always done business quite amicably so this is a bit of slap in the face to there 2 best players with a couple weeks left for replacements

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EverTheOptimist, No club were willing to meet Fellaini's £23m clause. So why would they pay £25m? He wants the move and Everton need the cash. Moyes would have known your financial situation and leaving the bids this late means it leaves little time to get McCarthy in in time. MU know exactly what they are doing here.

Sydney!

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Syd, not saying they don't know what there doing, a few teams might feel the same, but if he's valued at 25mil then that's that, if you want him you pay, maybe a few clubs are thinking the same, buy out clause gone we will try cheaper, don't mean he is valued cheaper, means you missed out on him for cheaper. he might want the move, but everton would rather keep him, so hence 25mil least price tag!

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I think Everton are well within their rights to demand £35-40 million for the pair. I'm not saying they're worth that but they are Everton's best players by some distance. I think it might come down to cash + youth or fringe player(s) on loan. Something like £30-£33 million plus Henriquez, Powell and/or Fabio for the season.

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19 Aug 2013 08:55:01
16m bid for fellaini and 12m bid for baines both rejected by everton, I don't get it, if we were interested in fellaini why not move for him while he still had his release clause? does this mean other targets aren't interested?
dags

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It means MU and other clubs will not pay £23m for Fellaini.

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Dags, I am guessing we didn't go for Fellani at 23m as Moyes thinks we can get him for less

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It means we will inch up to 33mill and get it done.

Shahram

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Maybe moyes knows how broke everton are and 28 million is a lot of money!

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Dags

no one went in for 23 mill so that should be good indicator that other clubs also don't see him worth at the release clause.

Shahram

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19 Aug 2013 08:53:05
28 Mil Joint Bid for Baines and Fellaini gone in according to Sly. Taking the p**s with that bid to be honest

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Well said mate, Everton fan in peace and this is a disgusting bid, feel embarrassed for you guys

Degsy

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Why? Its wot they are worth

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19 Aug 2013 08:47:28
don't think moyes will get a good reception when he goes to goodison park this season

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19 Aug 2013 08:14:29
"I am aware we need midfielders, but even the best midfields in the
league have trouble at Swansea, ask City, Chelsea and Arsenal."

Sydney City Arsenal Chelsea where not at thier best last season. Far from it

in simple terms its the race to see who can get their act together. Syd My only point is I hope what we saw is not indicative of same ole same ole for the season. I think thats's fair. let's Move on. Its only first game. Moyes may just know what he"s doing with the players He has and i'm just worrying.



ConstaNtine is a Red

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That's fair enough mate, but whoever we buy for midfield will find it tough in Swansea. They beat Chelsea 5.0 on aggregate. In the past two seasons they have destroyed Arsenal. City got beat there. They are a good side especially away.

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Syd that was in the 'prestigious' carling cup, 2 dodgy back passes by ivanovic then 10 men at the liberty, all whilst getting booed becasue of Benitez, this is a new season remember

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Chelsea's strongest XI were beaten 5.0 on Agg. Didn't Benitez win you the Europa? Give Swansea the credit they deserve. They are a good side.

Sydney!

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19 Aug 2013 07:52:57
Difficult not to think that Rooney's body language, refusal to celebrate our goals and ignoring our travelling fans at the end was not the clearest sign yet that he wants out. The rest of the players are saying the correct things but really must be hoping he goes soon.
Also good, oddly enough, to see Mourinho back at Chelsea, he brings something to the league that has been missing for a while and will make it more interesting for us all.

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Valencia didn't celebrate either, he just wandered back up the wing. Don't hear anyone suggesting he wants to leave?

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Rooney wants to leave and from a personal perspective (rooneys) it makes perfect sense. If he goes to Chelsea on a 4 year contract on £300k per week, he has surety of income for the next 4 years totalling £62.4m.

If he stays at united he has 2 years left on a contract of £250 k pw or £26m.

It makes sense to take the money whilst its on the table. That's ignoring the fact he will be able to playas a main striker and living in London will allow Coleen to be more in the media spotlight which she has made a career out of.

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19 Aug 2013 02:58:45
So Martinez confirms that Fellani's release clause has expired which Moyes would have known about it and the fact it was expiring, if he was a genuine target why not bid whilst the release clause was there that way there was a limit to what Everton could negotiate to, now Everton aren't obliged to negotiate with us. In my head I've concluded that perhaps he isn't a genuine target which leads me to think who is :o should be a good couple of weeks.

Also my brother mentioned he had read somewhere that ozil has been offered to united? Really? Anyone have any information on this cause I'd love to see him here!

Opinions welcome, thanks in advance. {Ed044's Note - Ozil has not been 'offered' to Man Utd.}

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What are the chances I post about him and just a few hours later a bid is confirmed, ok it's official no one take transfer advice from me!

Messi ronaldo and bale all to sign haha

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19 Aug 2013 00:36:56
It was reported last week that Moyes would check on Barcas next few games to see if Cesc will be a regular in the starting 11, he's played a full 90 tonight, anyone know of any truth in the rumours we will go back in for £40m?

Very interested in Ross Barkleys performance yesterday, admittedly based on one performance but he looked fearless extremely energetic

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19 Aug 2013 00:19:40
I really do have a gut feeling we will sign ronaldo. I know, I know, but everything seems to be looking that way. Madrid going all out to sign bale when arguably they don't even need him in their current squad, ronaldo himself stating he'd love to play in England again and that he misses man utd, him reportedly flying into Manchester last week, and now him not celebrating Madrids goals. Now IMO if he was trying to get an improved contract with Madrid wouldn't he want to show how commited he was on the pitch, even if behind the scenes he was playing the "I want to leave" card. Now I could be well of the mark, but with our lack of transfer activity, and moyes even saying himself how we are in the best players, it all points to one thing IMO, ronaldo will be in a united shirt this season. I can't help feeling a little bit excited again. Now on to the central midfield lol!

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