Manchester United Banter Archive January 19 2018

19 Jan 2018 16:06:58
If/ when the Sanchez deal is done, I would love to see the club moving on to getting Blind, Herrera and Fellaini out in the summer. I would like to see Jorginho of Napoli and Sergej Milankovic Savic from Lazio being brought lined up to come in the summer.

We need to see Smalling and Rojo moves on. I would like to Laporte or De Vrji brought in along with Tierney from Celtic and Aaron's from Spain as FB cover.

Finally good by Zlatan and hello Bellotti.

I doubt very much we will get most if any of these players as all of them will come with significant transfer fees. In all likelihood those players would cost circa £270-300m. I just don't see that happening at United.

But united play at the theatre of dreams so that is what I am going to do.

19 Jan 2018 16:26:57
That would be an almost perfect window huggy! Personally I don’t think we will look to get another forward such as Bellotti now that it looks like Sanchez is coming. I think rashford will now be deployed through the middle more and I think that’s his best position. If we are going to sign a back up I would go all out for Vardy as I think his pace would be frightening for defences. Of course Dybala would be a pipe dream but we never thought Sanchez would be possible so he would be my choice to take the number 10 shirt from Zlatan.

In midfield, Milinkovic-Savic would be perfect and I think it looks like it will happen. I’d bring back pereira and integrate him into the squad along with Fosu Mensah. We would need another body seeing as though Fellaini and Herrera look like they will be off. Maybe someone like ndidi would be a nice squad player I have always been impressed with him when I’ve watched him play. Ozil would be my ideal signing I think the guy is a wonderful player when on form and he would be feeding our forwards for fun.

I’d bring in Fabinho to challenge Valencia at right back. Shaw looks to be winning over Jose but I would assess it in the summer because we know how injury prone he can be. Personally I would prefer to keep shaw rather than splash out big money on rose. I really like Jorginho but I can honestly not see us spending big on two midfielders. I like lindelof and I think he will come good so I don’t think we will invest in a cb. But if we did varane or Laporte would be a nice addition.

We have the makings for our best squad since 2008. It’s nice to have that feel good factor slowly returning. Style of play needs to improve but I’m am pleased with the direction we are going.

19 Jan 2018 16:30:06
I do think Sanchez is a replacement of Zlatan, just thinking. I would like two midfielders to be signed, DM and CM, Sergej M. S. being one, Rw, CB if Rojo and Smailling are to be moved. Not sure about the FBs as both Shaw and Fosu are doing well.

19 Jan 2018 16:35:21
Can’t see both of SMS and Jorginho coming when one will not be a starter, aka Jorginho.

Laporte is slowly becoming a dud, would much prefer Inigo Martinez if it was that style of CB we’re looking. The best move would have been Akanji from Basel, however Dortmund have already snapped him up which is a great move.

Happy to see Mourinho’s comments on Luke Shaw today, about time too. I think Tierney is a ‘bhoy’ through and through, can’t see him moving for some time.

Also, not sure I see the point in Belotti now we have Lukaku.

19 Jan 2018 18:30:18
I'm a massive fan of Jorginho and we really need a midfielder who can control a game. At the moment we are asking Pogba to defend, attack and set the tempo of the game which despite his immense talent is too much. Playing Pogba, Jorginho and Matic would give us a nice balance in the middle of the park.

Milinkovic, Jorginho, Jose Gimenez and Sidibe from Monaco would be the ideal summer window for me.

19 Jan 2018 19:27:34
Doubt wed sign that many players. I honestly feel we are not that far away, considering city are unlikely to be as good next year and we should get a full season out paul pogba.

With Sanchez coming now, i only really see 2-3 players coming in the summer especially considering the praise mourinho has lavished on luke shaw today.

We have 6 centre backs on the books and jose is unlikely to ditch any of them and that's plenty. Probably only looking at a centre mid to replace fellaini and ozil to replace mata.

20 Jan 2018 05:51:05
Great post, you are absolutely right that we need to get rid of last year’s player of the year, as well as the midfielder that Jose really rates, and also a player who can play in a lot of different positions that has never let us down. What we need is a team full of superstar players. There is no room for honest pros who don’t moan and do a job when called on. I’ll give you the full backs though.

20 Jan 2018 11:47:21
Morning AJH, we clearly have a difference of opinion or at least view point. I personally don’t think the players we have are good enough to keep up with the standards beins set in the blue half of the city. Now their performances may be a freak anomaly or it may be the ew norm. One thing I know for certain is that they will buy in the summer and will add to their squad depth.

I have nothing against the squad players, the park ji sungs, solsjars, the fletchers, Evans and O’Sheas helped us win many a title, but our squad depth and quality of second choice is lacking. Our performances and results dropped off when Pogba was unavailable and even the much maligned Fellaini being absent saw a drop off in performance. I did not notice a similar effect on city when Silva was absent. We can either evolve or b left behind.

And as I said in my post I accept it is a pipe dream and highly unlikely to happen, but being a positive person I like to be optimistic.

20 Jan 2018 12:02:25
Huggy
You mean the standards being set by delph danilo otamendi sterling and co.

20 Jan 2018 12:37:21
I do, because the table does not lie. A little better squad depth and maybe we would not have dropped so many points over xmas and been a lot closer.

Where is our cover if pogba or Matic get injured? Will blind Herrera and Rojo suffice? In my view no.

I hate to say Herrera should go, he is a quality player with plenty of intelligence and passion, but in terms of style of play he is not quite right for the system we are likely to play. We have a year left on his contract so need to move him on while he still has value. As bad as it sounds maybe we should have taken barca’s Offer in the summer.

I would rather the squad player position so are taken up with youth products like tuenzebe, Fosu Mensah, peirerra etc. Let’s move on the average player on inflated contracts with only 12 months left instead of having to offer them even larger contracts to extend. THat gives the youth a chance and frees up wages for the likeable of Degea who deserves a huge contract as a top performing player who has delivered year after year.

20 Jan 2018 13:27:05
Where is city cover if aguero Jesus gets injured?

So you would be happy if we bough danilo otamendi and delph this summer?
You didn't notice a difference with out Silva? They scraped a 1.0 over Newcastle drew with palace scrapped a 2.1 against Bristol and got stuffed off the scouse .

20 Jan 2018 13:43:25
Wow, just wow Jared! Talk about twisting a post. I don’t recall saying I wanted any of those players. I would take city’s place in the league. Remind me how we did against Bristol. oh and I forgot we played Liverpool off the pitch didn’t we.

I did not say city had full cover in every position. Correct me if I am wrong, but they are still first in the league, still in the caraboa cup, still in Europe and still have better squad depth than us. Oh and they also play more attractive football than us.

20 Jan 2018 13:59:00
Huggy
But you implied our players where not as good as city? So why wouldn't you want there players.

We got beat of Bristol with 11 better players on the pitch than Bristol. Maybe that tells us something

City are doing what all good teams do and playing better than the sum of there parts .

If blind fellaini Herrera are not good enough for United why are delph and co good enough for city .

What where your thoughts on lingard at the start of the season.

20 Jan 2018 14:29:49
I said city had better squad depth than us. And i think they do. They have long term planning in place. The i'd the manager they wanted and got him, they realised their keeper was crap and upgraded him, they realised injuries cost them so got better squad depth and cover at FB.

Squad places and wages are finite. If we are to promote youth and improve, then players need to leave. We are happy for Miki to move on, yes he has been inconsistent, but he played a massive part in us winning in Europe last year. Not just the final, but scoring all the way through.

Lingard was a player I did not rate as he was very inconsistent. I did not think he had the current performances in him. He has proved me wrong. I like Blind, Herrera and Rojo, but if we can upgrade much as we appear to be doing with Sanchez then players have to leave and I would rather it was the named players than the youth.

20 Jan 2018 14:36:58
I was one of the people beating the drum saying we should sign herrera, but I do not think he is adequate cover for matic or pogba. I have not forgotten the excellent job he did marking hazard out of the game or that it was him that sent miki into the box for the goal in the euefa cup final, but he has a season left on his contract.

Do you think he should be given a bumper contract to renew or do you think we should look for cover for matic and pogba.

I know lingered proved me wrong. You clearly don't agree with me and that is fine we are all entitled to our opinion, as such what would you do to the squad to improve it for next season? Who would you like to see signed (ignoring the messi's and renaldo's of this world) . I am genuinely interested.

19 Jan 2018 13:47:19
Very high praise for Luke Shaw today from Jose. Looks like he's winning him over finally. 3 points a must tomorrow!

19 Jan 2018 14:00:57
Had a run of games and starting to show people what a good player he is .
Still only 22 .
If he can stay clear of injuries he will be a top player.

19 Jan 2018 14:43:54
He's still a fat heffer, seems to run through treacle. Hoping this run of games keeps him away from the kebab shop.

19 Jan 2018 14:57:43
Shaw has been impressive, speaks highly of life at united, Jose sees the quality himself, up to Luke to prove he’s worth being at united, he’s currently doing that, i for one an very happy that he is.

19 Jan 2018 15:21:33
I'm sure he let himself go a bit when he thought signing for United on a fat wage was the same thing as making it, but it's hard to be too critical of a young lad who suffered such a terrible injury for taking a couple of years to come back from it. The game is not just physical, it's also psychological, and having had such an injury I'm sure anyone would doubt their ability to withstand a heavy challenge thereafter. Sometimes nervousness will lead to a semi-committed approach which in turn can more likely lead to another injury, which unfortunately for Shaw he experienced. I for one am delighted that he's starting to fulfill the potential he had shown at Southampton which was the reason we spent so much on him thus keeping him out of Mourinho's clutches when he was at Chelsea.

19 Jan 2018 17:25:57
Nice to see that bit of praise from the manager today.

19 Jan 2018 18:12:10
Shaw has played well and deserves the praise.
He has got his head down and obviously worked hard to win his place and deserves to keep it imo.
If he keeps his fitness and form he could earn himself a new contract.
He does need to improve and the ball is back in his court. If he delivers stays fit and improves then he will get a new contract and allow the club to spend transfer funds elsewhere.

19 Jan 2018 18:12:10
Shaw has played well and deserves the praise.
He has got his head down and obviously worked hard to win his place and deserves to keep it imo.
If he keeps his fitness and form he could earn himself a new contract.
He does need to improve and the ball is back in his court. If he delivers stays fit and improves then he will get a new contract and allow the club to spend transfer funds elsewhere.

19 Jan 2018 20:21:28
I think ken nails it, he has stepped up and made the Manager take notice. All credit to the boy.

20 Jan 2018 11:30:24
don't know why everyone thought Shaw was surplus Jose has said all along he is the future that the injury was the reason he was not first choice but was going to be once he gets fit and on form no shock he is now doing it for me could be the best in his position for years.

19 Jan 2018 12:07:16
Sanchez is taking his time to get here, one Journo from Chile (cos that always helps) said last night he was traveling up already as his family and friends had already gone ahead to Manchester for the unveiling.

I would suggest if he does arrive on that big salary first thing he does is trade that Austin Metro in for something a bit nippier.

19 Jan 2018 13:57:27
MG Metro?

{Ed007's Note - Or a Moke, have you ever heard of them? Ed001 and 002 are having a conversation about them and I had never heard of them in my puff.}

19 Jan 2018 14:33:13
Oh yes the Moke. Its an age thing . hired one in Barbados in 1981 for a holiday. But . (and you can ask yer grandad) Embassy cigs used to have a coupon in them packs of 10 it was a blue coupon worth 2 points and in packs of 20 it was a 5 coupon. which you saved because Embassy fags had a catalogue you could redeem your coupons . My dad put his coupons in a biscuit tin and I used to count them for him and put elastic bands around them. anyway one of the things available was a mini moulton folding bike . another was a Mini Moke . I kid you not. my dad got the bike .

{Ed002's Note - A original Mini Moke that has been restored will run about £25k now.}

19 Jan 2018 14:34:40
Whats a moke?

{Ed002's Note - Art.}

19 Jan 2018 16:04:59
A moke is a smoke without the s.

19 Jan 2018 20:05:26
Where there's moke there's fire?

19 Jan 2018 11:56:11
Would anyone else like to keep miki aswell as sign Sanchez. i no miki has played really poor lately but everyone knows how good he is. he started off really well and form and confidence has gone but he's got it in him as we have seen. if we signed Sanchez and miki could get his form back that would be some attacking line up.

19 Jan 2018 12:35:32
Miki could be a big player for arsenal, he might get more of a free reign there.
Jose likes his attacking players to get back and help out which miki doesn't do so well so that was the beginning of the end for miki.

19 Jan 2018 13:03:08
His tackling back wasn’t really the issue, his inability to keep hold of the ball, find a United man with any pass or take anybody on has been his main downfall.

He may be good elsewhere and I hope he has a good career but I’ve had enough of him to be honest, extremely glad he’s part of the deal.

19 Jan 2018 13:17:46
As a swap, we are getting the best deal hands down. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing Miki behind Lukkaku, with Alexis and Martial either side. Only problem with that is it means a two man midfield and I'd prefer to play 433.

19 Jan 2018 13:29:24
What has miki done that jessie hasn't for you to have that preference dark knight?

19 Jan 2018 13:38:52
Unfair of me to judge the fella over 3 games when he has played very well at times but really his last 3 games when he couldn't hit a cross, so many missed passes, he looked just devoid of any threat and a shadow of what he was in Germany. Normally I would say stick with him until he comes good but if the Sanchez deal depends on him its a no brainer as I believe the kids say.

19 Jan 2018 15:27:30
Jesse Shinguard and Mata can both fill the #10 role better than Mhkitaryan. It would be hard to see Mhki getting anything but a cameo role for the rest of the season so what's the point in keeping him? For next season? I don't think he will get a look in even then. The best use for him now is a tax loss on the unamortized portion of his transfer fee.

19 Jan 2018 20:27:02
Miki has been pretty awful whilst Jesse has been a revelation. However Jesse is English and Miki is a sexy foreigner so obvs we need to keep him and get rid of the crap Englishman.

19 Jan 2018 09:14:50
Does the arrival of Sanchez mean the end of Mata?
I like Mata but I would say he could be on the move now . Out of contract in the summer as well I think.

19 Jan 2018 09:53:30
I think we will convince him to sign a new contract, with mkhi leaving this window followed by zlatan next, i think no 10 pos will be him and lingard, even he knows he is not going to be a starter at any big club.

19 Jan 2018 10:00:45
He turns 30 in April, can't see him sitting on your bench when he's got 1 more decent move in him. Good player just lacks pace, maybe Spain or Italy.

19 Jan 2018 10:15:22
Mata is a top player. Would rather keep him and rotate. If he's happy with that then great.

Mata has brought into the ethos of the club. He seems like a decent man who gives his some of his wage to charity and has called for fellow pros to do the same. He always makes time for fans and is a great role model. Plus he always seems to grab big goals when we need them.

I hope he stays but for his own career, if he can get minutes elsewhere I definitely won't hold it against him.

19 Jan 2018 10:34:50
May be i am completely wrong, but how would Sanchez's arrival affect Mata. Sanchez plays through the right while Mata is on the left (mostly) . If anything, Sanchez's arrival affects Rash and Martial. May be Mata could be used as the thir midfielder alongside Pogba and Matic. That would give us options for the 3 upfront. Lingard might slot to the right of the front 3 or even rotate with Mata for the midfield role.

19 Jan 2018 10:38:12
Some of Mata's control is worth the entrance fee alone. Questioning his speed is what's wrong football in this country. Technique above speed should be the priority.

19 Jan 2018 10:40:34
Shan mata plays on the right and martial and rashford play on the left.

19 Jan 2018 10:52:47
Shan your TV is up-side-down. Turn it over my man.

19 Jan 2018 11:02:40
Yeah just read it again and saw my TV set reflected on the mirror. Or just may be its the Friday fever hitting early.

You get the gist, Mata and Sanchez are on opposite flanks.

19 Jan 2018 11:10:13
But sanchez has played on rw too, i think he will play on the right with martial on the left.

19 Jan 2018 11:33:00
Sanchez has and can play on the right as well as off the striker.
People really can't see how this could affect Mata. Miki out, where did he play .

19 Jan 2018 12:04:26
Miki played in the streets outside Old Trafford, i didn't really see him play inside Old Trafford. If anything, Sanchez affects Martial and even more so Rashford (not that i m complaining for him) .

"Sanchez has and can play" is different from "where Sanchez wants to and will play"

19 Jan 2018 12:24:18
Mata can play midfield and in the middle people and on the left.

19 Jan 2018 13:06:24
Shan
Sanchez played a lot of his caeer on the right and off the striker .
But because Arsen have used him mainly on the left that means he is a left winger?

Interesting reading pep saying his best position is off the striker and that he probably used him wrong at barce, playing him out wide .

Class player Sanchez and can play anywhere across the front 3 .

He will start every game if fit so if he has been bought to play on the left this must be the end for martial .
Or will Jose play martial on the right?
Either way I can't belive you can't see how this won't affect Mata or any of our attackers with the exception of lukaku.

19 Jan 2018 13:32:51
He is another option allbeit a better one.
Who is to say rash won't take lukaku place or martial won't take lukaku place?
I agree with jred mata is the most likely to lose his starting berth when all fit and available.

19 Jan 2018 16:26:44
So Jose said 1 in 1 out and he wants a team of 22 players or something along those lines . Andreas Pereira and TFM will return to the team this summer. assuming we make two signings in the summer, that would mean minimum of four people would need to leave right?

19 Jan 2018 18:20:23
I'm not so sure Pereira will return. A lot will depend on mata I think. He is doing very well and i'd love to see him come back and do a jessie and earn his place but i think he will want a move but i could well be wrong.

19 Jan 2018 19:42:10
Andreas Pereira, tunez and tfm should all be around the first team next season.

19 Jan 2018 05:03:27
{Ed's Note - we have posted a new article entitled, Daily News Round Up 19th January 2018

19 Jan 2018 05:27:58
Great read Ed.
I am beginning to think you should start a “EPL Today” newspaper or media something. I am sure you will get a load of subscribers. At least there won’t be “fake news” like some newspapers or media stuff out there.
Awesome 👏.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, isn't that pretty much the point of the FNV site though really? In which case we haven't exactly got swamped with subscribers yet, most people just spend their time on clickbait sadly. They would rather be told what they want to hear than what is actually happening.}

19 Jan 2018 05:55:41
Yes it’s true a lot of people reads and hears what they want to read and hear. But it’s people like you who do a great job saying and maintaining what is black is black and what is white is white. It’s what makes this site so visited and I am sure I can speak on behalf of ALL the posters.
Outstandingly the few Eds who come on our site to respond and sometimes put up with “funny” and repeated questions, I salute you all. Thanks to you all.

{Ed001's Note - thank you mate, we do appreciate that a lot. I do despair of the current state of the internet. I mean I spent months researching the article I am putting together at the moment on the Lisbon Lions. It took months because 99.9% of the information available on line (probably more in fact) is just someone copying and pasting the wikipedia article and then changing the odd word or jumbling the paragraphs order up a bit. Sad thing is there are only about 3 or 4 original articles out there on any given subject and the rest are just rehashed from those 3 or 4, in the main.

One day I hope more sites will take a stand and stop going for the quick money and actually make an effort. Though considering these days almost all media outlets are just 99% reporting on what other media outlets have said, I very much doubt it will happen!}

19 Jan 2018 07:16:06
Hey ed, where can I find previous articles written by you? Do I have to use the search function.

{Ed001's Note - there are links at the top and bottom of every article or you could go to the home page of fnv.}

19 Jan 2018 10:38:48
Amazing thing ed001 is we still don't have a sleeves sponsor yet? One thing for sure whoever it is, is going to pay through the nose with woody involved.

{Ed001's Note - maybe no one thinks the asking price is worth paying? I never even noticed you didn't have one, does seem odd considering the eighty five thousand other endorsement deals you have!}