Manchester United Banter Archive May 19 2013

 

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19 May 2013 23:06:09
if chelsea want rooney we should say forty million and lukaku

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19 May 2013 23:55:58
motd fever, drink plenty of water and get some bed rest. On the plus side I expect your syptoms to subside quickly and be unlikely to flair up again until around mid August. lol.

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20 May 2013 00:39:10
You saying you wouldn't take him? Promising youngster and the type of striker we've always lacked.

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Lol good post shapps I think the original poster is definitely on the good stuff. Singh

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I'd take him but rooneys only worth 30 35max without lukaku

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Lukaku is exceptional on the break, that is how we have been playing for sometime now so he would fit well. To be fair this is an attribute that WBA have developed in him and he is now a better player since his move to the Hawthorns. Chelsea have a good player there, but there is always a chance he will amount to nothing at Chelsea due to the players they may sign who would play ahead of him. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Lukaku was used as a makeweight for another player in the next year or two.

Sydney!

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20 May 2013 13:43:39
I don't think its a bad idea. Cash plus lukaku. Good strong player, would be willing to take rotation, offers us something we lack, and as Syd says fits the style. Its worth floating the idea.

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19 May 2013 22:18:08
Hey Ed, Do you think we will see Marouane Fellani playing in a Manchester United shirt next season {Ed004's Note - No!}

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19 May 2013 23:12:00
Only if he buys the shirt himself - so he has the same chance has me! ;-)
Pedro

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I think there could be a chance. He wouldn't be my first choice, but he would certainly provide us with the bite and drive our midfield is currently lacking.

He has said that Moyes sees him ulitmately as a defensive midfielder, but has played him as a no. 10 due to lack of other options.

He himself sees himself as a no. 6 or no. 8.

So with us far from sort in the attacking third of the pitch, i'm sure if he was signed it would be to play alongside Carrick and not off the front man.

I think he could be a good signing even though he would be expensive and possibly other slightly better options imo.

Sir Alex has also said it will be down to Moyes to decide who he brings in. So a move for Fellaini is a possiblity.

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Not a chance would I have him around the team poor player, total waste of money which would be better spent on technically classier players. Maybe you like a bit of park football long an high and kick the legs of them.

Stagmufc

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20 May 2013 11:11:32
He's better than most give him credit for. Only Evra and Carrick from our team have completed more passes this season than Fellaini. And only Rafael has completed more successful tackles out of all our players. He is a good player, but I think he will cost more than he should.

I'v also been told this morning by an Evertonian customer that Everton are expecting United to come in for Fellaini.

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19 May 2013 21:56:11
As you know from previous info I have posted on here, I have connections with the Everton board and talking to someone very influential I get the impression that they feel that Phil Neville and his captaincy were just as much responsible for Everton's position in the league as Moyes. They think very highly of Neville but feel that the fans would not accept him as the next manager. They wanted him and David Weir involved. I expect one of the two to be involved somehow in the next management structure at Everton for future management in the club. As I have said before Everton were not shedding tears about losing Moyes who they felt had grown very arrogant and started to believe his own publicity. We will see

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Oddly this makes me more sure that we've got the right man. To be the best you need alittle bit of arrogance. Sir Alex has it, and Mourinho has it.

Moyes clearly believes in himself, and he will need that to manage Manchester United. It shows him to be a strong character.

I think he will be a very good manager for us. Obviously he won't be as good as the man he is replacing, but there probably will never be another manager as good as Sir Alex. And there certainly won't be one to achieve his success.

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KLOOT posting semi-substantiated negativity about a United manager? Who'd have thought it? It makes me feel we might have the right man for the job.

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19 May 2013 21:47:48
Last BPL defeat: Chelsea
Last Fa Cup defeat: Chelsea
Last CO Cup defeat: Chelsea
Last game: Lukaku scores a hattrick

Also David Moyes last defeat as a Everton Manager: Chelsea!

Fair to say Man United are going to have a few nightmares about Chelsea;)

All in all though great season, proud of the lads, staff, and supporters! Seasons like this are the ones that make you proud to be a United fan! We will be going into next season without two of the greatest people to be associated with the club and I would like to wish them a very happy retirement!

We have a new manager next season and with the right signings in the summer and if we remain the mentality that helps us win the games we can do it again, I'm sure of it! Here's to another year being a Manchester United supporter! The greatest club in the land!

Tommy!

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They certainly seem to be abit of a bogie team for us.

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We always seem to get tactically undone against chelsea imo. We never mark mata and leave ourselves far to open on the counter attack especially
ramires.
DHK

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19 May 2013 21:12:16
Is the transfer window open for deals between domestic clubs?

Nat

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Yes, last day of the season as I understand it, I remember ben foster being sold within days of the end of the season.
mick the red fireman

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Deals can be agreed all year round, but the window doesn't open until the 1st July, which is the first day you can registar a new player with your association.

So yes you will see deals being done left right and centre between now and the 1st of July, but they won't be ratified by the FA until that date.

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19 May 2013 21:06:33
Well, I think that is a pretty memorable, but disappointing way to end the career of the World's Greatest Football Manager. We really should of made sure that we won for him. Moving on, we now have no football for about 3 months, just speculation! Let the signings commence. Very much expect Baines to come in, perhaps a new keeper as Lindegaard is dreadful as Schmeichal has said all along. A central midfielder and Ronaldo/Bale and Moyes will be welcomed with open arms as he will have solve the majority of our issues. I'm also actually looking forward to Rooney leaving, sick of the speculation regarding him and the average performances. He is an unnecessary expense who no longer posses sufficient quality. Bale or Ronaldo are the perfect replacement, and I think that Ronaldo will be the one. So let's bring in Begovic, Baines, Strootman & Ronaldo and have a fantastic title push next year!

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19 May 2013 21:49:12
i doubt begovic would want to move just to sit on the bench. As awful as lindegaard was, he isn't our first choice keeper. And begovic isn't as good as big save dave.

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I also don't foresee Begovic being content to contest De Gea for the number 1 spot, and I think De Gea's had a solid enough season to have earned it anyway. Don't think there's any chance of Ronaldo coming back to Old Trafford, and frankly I'm not sure if I'd really want him to. Would command a huge price tag and wages, and isn't exactly young anymore. Honestly, I really hope that Utd goes out and signs 2 centre midfielders and either a left back or winger/attacking mid.

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19 May 2013 20:41:37
and gentlemen in England now abed will think themselves accursed they were not here and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks who stood with us at the Hawthorns on Fergies last day. It is almost impossible to put into words what it was like in the United end for this game. The atmosphere was unbelievable and what a game. This is not the day to talk about players just to celebrate to absolute legends who bowed out today. When Sir Alex came up to us at the end there were grown men next to me crying. It is a day I will remember for the rest of my life. It was an honour and a privilege to be there.

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Been watching Henry V Kloot?

Nat

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Here here. today was all about SAF, not the result or anything else. still managed to set another record though on his way out though. jesus Kloot you are becoming the voice of reason on here nowadays.

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HERE HERE, sometimes you talk crap kloot but today you were a honest man with honest feelings and honest thoughts, so today I salute you, enjoy your retirement the great SIR ALEX FERGUSON
BIGAL REDFOREVER

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Kloot,

Where abouts were you sat? I was in row X seat 5. I agree was the best away atmosphere I can remember. Was incredible when Van Persie came over at the end, and even better when Fergie came over, and saluted the fans. A day I will never forget.

RomanRunner

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In his parents box room!
L. P.

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19 May 2013 20:02:39
Genuine Question not taking the mickey or nothing but as a Chelsea fan how did Lakaku get on today obviously scored 3 but did he look the part?

Cfc1905 {Ed004's Note - Yes he was very good today was a real handful. I do worry though when Evans comes up against big strong players such as Drogba etc}

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Thanks ED at times he can look very clumsy still needs to work on his touch and build up play but looking good!

cfc1905 {Ed004's Note - I was very impressed with him today. Though IMO it would have been different if Vidic was about}

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I watched him quite afew times this year and I think your going to have a great little player on your hands. how many goals did he score this season in the end?

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Ready made replacement for Drogba, it was 16 in all comps.

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19 May 2013 19:52:44
Eds where realisicly do you think bale will end up this summer? {Ed004's Note - Madrid or stay at Spurs. Though a front four of Bale, RVP and Kagawa supporting Lewandowski would be good}

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Is that to say you think Lewy is very likely to join ed?

Nat {Ed004's Note - Yes I do. Still not 100% on RVP in the hole would rather signed someone to play there. Though I would be happy with Baines, Strootman, Bale and Rooney}

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I think rvp had an injury free season as he was left up top and wasnt expected to put the running in that would be expected of him if he were to be playing in the hole. I d say next season we will see rvp up front with kagawa in the hole. can t see us getting lewandowski unfortunately. and I don't know how we would line up with those three in the team if we were t get him. rvp better up top. kagawa better in the hole than the left. wot do the rest of yous think? {Ed004's Note - I agree though if we are to move kagawa in behind RVP which I would prefer we do then I would want two wingers signed.}

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Ed4 are you serious. rooney can **** off. {Ed004's Note - Meant Lewandowski my bad}

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19 May 2013 22:01:46
Think two wingers and a striker definitely with Nani and Rooney out. But question is who, we need three good quality players who won't cost too much as we need two midfielders and a left back. Can't see six signings in one go. {Ed004's Note - I reckon 2 forwards a midfielder and a left back}

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19 May 2013 19:39:25
Well Spurs failed to qualify for Europe and the bookies have slashed the odds on Bale to join United. Current odds are standing at 3/1.

This summers transfer window could be a good one for us. Have to wait and see what happens.

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Those odds haven't been slashed, he has been 3/1 for a good while on slybet

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19 May 2013 19:26:10
Ed do you think the Rooney situation may have had an influence on SAF going this year instead of next?

Dan {Ed004's Note - None}

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According to an interview its all to do with his wifes sister passing leaving her isolated that's in SAF own words

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19 May 2013 19:17:30
Arsenal clinching Champs League football to make a move there for Rooney a possibility?

Spurs missing out meaning no Champs League again for Bale hence potentially he and Levy could see a move elsewhere on the cards?

Yes it's the greatest 2 + 2 putting together of all time but. the race for 4th place could have turned out worse.

Lets hope our marque signing talked about us Bale in or Ronaldo coming home. I'd be happy if a world class midfield talent like Marchisio at Juve was the 'big one' but let's wait and see.

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I can see bale going for a big fee and I just don t see us paying it unfortunately.

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19 May 2013 19:04:35
now that the season is other and there is nowt else affecting everton or united will we still have to wait till july 1st for moyes to arrive or can he come in now

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19 May 2013 19:03:17
LFC supporter here in peace (as it should be) to congratulate you on this season. A fantastic achievement and very unlucky not to have gone further in the Champions League.

Sad to see Paul Scholes go, the player more than any other that I would have loved to have had at Anfield, even though it was never going to happen. An exemplary professional, the like of which we will be unlikely to see again. Despite being a United player, my favourite player in the modern era.

Finally, best wishes to Sir Alex, who despite much of the banter is respected and revered by all true football fans. I know that he was/is close to our old gaffer, Gerard Houllier, as was Sir Matt to both Bob Paisley and Shanks. If only all of our respective supporters could display the same mutual appreciation that these greats did and have done, the football would be a better place to be.

Good luck for next season. I think that you have chosen well and hopefully, we will be able raise our game to that of former times for our next meeting.

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Good and welcome post Ginger, thank you.

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19 May 2013 18:48:46
Lessons learned from today's match:

Sir Alex a true legend with poise, humility, character. Never to be replaced.

Scholes, tough tackling to the very end.

Giggs, timeless.

Kagawa and Hermandez are the future for United.

Jones and Evans are not the future CB pairing. Jones belongs in midfield.

Carrick, under rated maestro capping off a great season.

Lindegaard, simply useless.

Valencia, flashes of his previous form.

Buttner is not the future LB of the club.

United fans, vocal until the end.

Pride and passion. One United.

Fle' the Bull.

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Ferguson - humility? that's a good one!

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Jones will be forst choice CB withint 2 years. rpobably for club and country.

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19 May 2013 18:32:21
U would think that another Didier Drogba is back, a pacier and potentially better one that is - Romelu Lukaku!

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You would think that he now deserves a proper shot at Chelsea. You see news and rumours about strikers joining Chelsea almost every day, but they won't give their own young players a chance. What a ridiculous club.

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19 May 2013 18:31:55
Very exciting game today, a fitting end to a great career.

It's a shame that Januzaj couldn't get on. Scholes was a cert to get a run out. Giggs coming on was a mistake. But I think Evans getting injuried dashed Januzaj's chance with Rio having to come on for the injuried Evans.

We played very well in the first half, but when we brought on Scholes and Giggs and Anderson had tired we had a total lack of energy in our team. That must have been the oldest team we've put out by the final whistle this season. Lindegaard, Rio, Valencia, Carrick, Giggs, Scholes and RvP. The only way that team could have been older would be to have Evans, Evra and Young on for Jones, Buttner and Hernandez. That cost us what should have been an easy game in the end.

Lindegaard showed why he isn't good enough. We'd have won today with DDG between the sticks i'm sure.

Anderson was good for the first half, but crap in the second once he ran out of puff.

Buttner was good in spells but needs games to smooth out the rough edges. His attacking play was the best we've had down the left all season.

Cleverley tired quite badly in the second half, he needs to work on his fitness. Although to be fair he hasn't had a proper rest this season.

Carrick and Kagawa were awesome, and Hernandez played well.

Valencia had his best game of the season too.

All in all a very exerciting game.

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Shaps how much more rest does Clevs need mate?

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Very well said mate. I was kind of hoping for a screamer by Scholes towards the end, which would be the winner.


P. s, I've been a follower of this for a long time now. Love the work that is done by the Eds. {Ed004's Note - Thanks}

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19 May 2013 18:31:27
Thank goodness that's Moyes' reign over with at Everton. Negative until the very end. Get used to seeing him taking RVP off for Phil Jones in the must win games. Good luck, you'll be needing it.

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19 May 2013 19:02:14
It's very characteristic of Moyes not to win against the big teams away. Never strange at all.

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So you're an everton fan, but you don't like David Moyes despite the fact that he has achieved consistently high league places for 11 years with virtually NO transfer budget? the problem isn't with the manager mate, it's with the owner. sort yourself out before you come on here and moan. SAF is the most successful british manager ever, and he appointed Moyes, so I think he probably know's more about it than you.

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I didn't say I didn't like David Moyes. On the contrary, I think he's a good, hard working, honest bloke but sometimes his tactics in the big games leave a lot to be desired. No away win against the original sly 4 in 45/46 games? says a lot about his philosophy and intent. He goes out not to lose as opposed to winning. I'm disappointed to see him go but not too disappointed. He has done a miraculous job under the financial constraints and deserves his shot. I certainly don't think I know better than SAF but you'll soon see what I mean unless he changes the habit (s) of a lifetime.

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No way the utd fans will put up with negative football. attack attack attack is the mantra and if Moyes doesn't understand this already, he'll soon get the message that boring, defensive football is not acceptable at OT.

don't think it will be an issue though

Andrew b

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19 May 2013 18:27:06
high five to utd, lol. , see you next season utd.
ps, end of an era, it can only go downhill from here, with moyles in charge.

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That 1-0 thrashing you lot dished out on relegated qpr was impressive. Next year is obviously your year!

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So much talk for a club entering the Europa. oh wait. a. sec.

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Lol u been going down hill for years mate and always will be united will always be winning cups u will end up like the arsenal cupless

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Hmmmm, I think you scousers would have learnt your lesson by now. Remember "come back when you have won 18 Fergie?"

Im not saying it will be easy and there is going to be tears, blood and sweat shed along the way. But we are a far superior team and club that you dirty scouse persons will ever be, so maybe come back this time next year and let's chat.

Red (the real REDS) Pedro

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If Chris Moyles was in charge maybe but David Moyes is taking over so we may have a better chance you knob

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Just a tad immature to post something like this.

Show some respect to the footballing community as this has been an emotional day for us. Banter is alright in a time and place but it would have been a little more mature and humble of you to show your respects or not even post.

We're the ones laughing.

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You guys are so easily wound up. Lfc is not stupid, he knows Manchester United are superior and is just saying stupid things to get a reaction. Some would say a troll.
Just ignore him.

Doni

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19 May 2013 18:11:39
Sign him up. 20 odd goals from a winger.

Put down £50 mill see what levy says to that.

Can't see it happening but what a signal of intent from moyes that would be.

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Your right It won't happen

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This signal of intent that people keep going on about is nonsense in my opinion. What signal of intent do a club like Manchester United need to make.

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19 May 2013 17:59:10
scholesy was absoloutely horrendous, he won't be back this time for sure but great game

nikz

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19 May 2013 18:14:22
I believe that clearly shows all those who called for De Gea's head how poor Lindegaard is.

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I felt he could have done a lot better for lukaku's first and second goals.

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19 May 2013 18:05:49
before you all start saying it doesn't matter because it was last game, it does matter, 3 up and 5-2 up and not win is ridiculous, if that defence is our future like the great boss said, the future is bleak.
BIGAL REDFOREVER

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It doesn't matter cause the season is over and scholes and giggs won't play together again

nikz

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Lol Overreacting a little bit? Look at who that defense had in front of them.

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It doesn't matter at all. This was a day at the beach, don't sweat it. Vidic, Rio and Smalling to come back plus whoever may come in. Also Moyes is pretty good defensively so I ain't too worried about it. What is the point in getting all heated up over a game that means nothing in a season when we have won the league by 11 points and have rarely got out of first gear.

Red Pedro

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19 May 2013 18:01:33
forget the score, it was a great game and a good way to entertain fergie one last time.

and Anderson will definitely be down kfc now after playing a full game haha

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19 May 2013 17:49:20
Lindergarrd
Jones
Evans
Buttner
Anderson

All looked like absoulte s***

Richmond

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Richmond, I have been told off in the past for not welcoming new posters so I will try and be constructive. have you banged your head?

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Ando actually played well in the first half and decent in the second. Buttner was good in attacking but crap in defending. To be fair, we went downhill once Giggs and Scholsy came on.

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Yeah. and that Robin Van Persie guy has been poor all of that game!

Must sell him then I guess.

Please just stop with the whining we won the league by 11 points and today was Fergie's last game. How do you forget these things?

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19 May 2013 17:46:55
Why did we out januzaj in the squad if we weren't going to give him a game, it's a joke really why did we out Giggs in ahead if him? I know it's become a tight game but this lad is the future of our club, we know what Giggs can do!

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I think he was going to come on but SAF wanted to sure up the defence so brought rio on instead

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I jus fergie sometimes selects players on sentiment and a lil bit of favourtism. But could understand because its his last ever game and giggs has been for sp long with fergie. But again why put janujaz on the bench when he's not going to get any game time.


Singh

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Have you not heard of something called experience? putting a player on the bench gets him used to it all before he has actually got to perform on the big stage, chucking him on into a heated battle will not allow him to play to his best and when he gives the ball away ones people like you singh will be calling him awful and wanting to sign lionel messi instead.

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Singh, it's good experience for him to be in the first team squad on match-day whether or not he plays. He was going to get ten minutes if it wasn't for the Lukaku show.

Sydney!

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Lol at no name leave a name atleeast. Would agree with you to an extent but to be fair I am not one of those persons that would slate a player especially becuase he's young. The only reason it wouldve been good is because it was fergies last game and wanted fergie to give him his debut instead of moyes.

Syd that's fair point he'd still benefit being in the match day squad not the end of the world really, he's still young and was just excited for him to make his debut.
Singh

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We all were mate. But it will happen, he will make is debut next season instead. We will get to see him preseason.

Sydney!

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Hope so syd. Yeha just looking forward to next season now. Hope we can do better in europe next season with few new additions with the squad we should be fine.

Singh

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He's an incredible talent, it just seems over last few seasons SAF was afraid to give the younger players a chance eg pogba and how many times when 2 or 3 nil up could we have brought Powell on?

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19 May 2013 17:30:15
I don't want this game to end, fitting way for Fergie to go out and what can you say about our fans. The best fans for the best club

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19 May 2013 17:23:19
giggs on? quite surprised but think we will see scholes and januzaj before the end of the game

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Its a shame janujaz didn't get to make his debut.

Singh

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19 May 2013 17:16:01
lindegaard should have done a lot better with that goal, I think with his superior reactions/ agility de gea would have stopped both.
don't think lindegaard will fetch much from this shop window performance

thank god for rvp's immediate response, was that his first shot btw?

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19 May 2013 16:47:52
With all the possession & territory I'm surprise RVP hasn't been in the game more. On the other hand Chico & Kagawa have been great!

RedDub

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It is the diamond isn't it?

I think we look strong when playing this way. With the correct personnel we could be very strong playing the diamond.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - It suits Carrick perfectly but we would need a left back and 2 central midfielders while both Cleverley and Anderson could cover them}

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19 May 2013 16:40:22
3-0 up! let's get Januzaj on at half time and see what he can do with some class players around him.

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19 May 2013 16:23:36
gotta say carrick and kagawa are playing extremely well thus far, but my god how much room has valencia got down the right? can see a fair few goals in this if this continues

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Well did say there would be a fair few goals lol

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19 May 2013 16:22:14
Poor decision at WHL. Bale does dive, but that was a stonewall penalty. And to add insult to injury he gets booked for it. Shocking refereeing I must say.

Sydney!

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19 May 2013 16:04:52
Adnan Januzaj is on the bench today i'm nearly 100% sure he will get a run out if everytthing goes well other wise there was no reason for registering him a few weeks ago

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Would you look at that 3-0 after 30 mins things are going very well!

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19 May 2013 15:19:11
Afternoon Eds,

Do you have anything solid on Anderson?

i. e. will he stay or go?

I personally would like to see him stay another year. If he can stay fit he becomes unplayable at times. His passing is fantastic once he has his eye in. And there is no other player in united's midfield that can give us the drive and sense of urgency that he does.

In the stadium every one seems to love him, and the players all clearly do too.

I think it would be a real shame if he were to leave. {Ed004's Note - I don't know anything about him being sold but he has to be one of the most frustrating players you could have! He has all the potential in the world to be a world class box to box midfielder though his discipline is atrocious as he can not keep himself fit. Such a shame. I would only keep him if Moyes feels he can get his fitness to an appropriate level}

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It's upto him I would say. If he does stay fit and at the level of fitness that the manager wants, then I don't see a reason why he can't be a top player for us.

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19 May 2013 15:16:52
what do you guys think striaght swap rooney for torres think it would be fair deal {Ed004's Note - No!}

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Troll?

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19 May 2013 15:15:47
UNITED XI: Lindergaard; Valencia, Jones, Evans, Buttner; Carrick, Cleverley, Anderson; Kagawa, Van Persie, Hernandez

So it looks like a Diamond of
_____________Lindengaard
Valencia____Evans___Jones___Buttner
_____________Carrick
________Anderson___Cleverley
______________Kagawa
__________RVP______Hernandez

Hernandez getting a few games lately. Preparing for the future?
The Red Manc

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19 May 2013 15:45:10
Januzaj on the bench, I would live to see him come on for the last 20 minutes and give us something to think about over the summer. {Ed004's Note - I would really like to see him make his debut as he would be the last ever player to debut under Ferguson}

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19 May 2013 15:07:37
Out: Rooney, Anderson, Nani, Cleverley, Hernandez

In: Fellaini, Marchisio, Lewandowski, Bale

I can see most of these happening, but a bit unsure on Hernandez {Ed004's Note - I'd be happy but only if Fellaini isn't one of the signings. I would rather have; Gundogan, Fabregas, Modric, Alcantara, Witsel, Bender, Strootman, Capoune, Wanyama, Sandro, Wilshere, Vidal, M'Vila etc}

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19 May 2013 12:49:38
Rooney isn't making the trip to the final game. Ok now, let us start finding a replacement now.

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His woman
Is due to give birth

GD

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Don't you mean wife?

Nat

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United First, Family Second, Job Third

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Coleen is pregnant? Wait, maybe this explains his dip in form and throwing his toys out of the pram:weight gain and a disturbance is hormone levels are one of several characteristic of Couvade syndrome. Clutching at straws here to fight off Kloot ;)

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BornIntoit- don't leave straws around - klooty will just build more straw men to argue about.

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19 May 2013 11:52:58
Good morning guys
I have a theory about the Wayne Rooney situation and I'm not saying I'm right but I feel that Wayne has had his nose put out of joint as he no longer is the golden boy of the club. RVP is streets ahead of him in that category and if Ronnie does come back or other possibilities such as Lewandoski or Falcao join the club he will be even further down the pecking order. As much as I love Wayne he hasn't performed at his best for quite some time so I think it might be time for him to go.
Good luck to the lads today

Bazza The Red

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Well. I have the other theory.
I think its all planned thing. To convience lewandowski to sign as rooney is unsettled and leaving. And once he signs. he will make a famous u turn by signing a new deal. that's called politics. May be saf can do this in name of fergie as he is most loyal servent of his.
Lot many people are predicting that he has done this before 2 seasons in favour of fergie who wanted to rise the wage cap at united for new star players to be competitive in the game.

Well one can just think as much as they want. Real truth hardly comes out.

Rodio17

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Bazza, you are not expecting to see Ronaldo or Falcao at OT next season are you? You will be bitterly disappointed otherwise.

Sydney!

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Or maybe, he just wants to leave?

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19 May 2013 11:42:37
Not really utd related but are Liverpool the biggest losers in European football, I mean I cannot think of any other major European club (and yes they are a major club ) that has fallen so far and for so long?
Btw hope rooney stays, gets fit and is played in his proper position
Roonbest

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Inter?

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Didn't Inter win the treble with jose few years back : )

Roonbest

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Sorry mate but they are not a "major" club - 2nd ratters all the way - who for a while did better due to one man - who they then treated like s***

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By any standards Liverpool where a major club 18 domestic titles and 5 euro cups, so my original point still stands

Its actually a pity they are not more competative as I still regard them as our biggest rivals and beating or losing to them in the league is largely insignificant in the grand scheme

Roonbest

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19 May 2013 11:10:42
Ok i've just done this on the Liverpool page. Now its your turn. An honest neutral assessment from an unbiased fan. Ok keepers then. De Gea started rough but has blossomed, clearly has bulked up. But the language thing still has to be an issue. Guessing you saw his interview on football focus. Lindegaard I don't think is good enough, kicking is poor. You have one of the two best right backs in the league but he still has temperament issues. Your left back is a liability jogging back as attacks run past him. Rio is worth keeping another year. Vidic, well you had to be worried if he'd come back but he has. Evans has come on massively. But I think Smalling has gone backwards a little I think its lack of game time. Jones is too good to play in defence and should play in midfield he's a beast. Your wingers have all been crap. Mainly due to injuries. I do feel for Youngy and Valencia but Nani would do my head in. Midfield well Carrick was awesome this season. Anderson again would do my head in, there is a top player in there somewhere but the fitness is shocking! Cleverley I thought looked good in the first two thirds of the season but disappeared in the last third. Big season for him next year. You need a midfielder in and I think Fellaini is the one. Looking forward to seeing Zaha as well. Upfront well nothing needs to be said on van Persie. Hernandez does what it says on the tin. Welbeck is an enigma, was superb against Madrid in both games but struggled in others. Don't think playing him out of position has helped. And Rooney, well i'm as shocked as you. Do you keep him or get rid? Big choice for the new manager. A fully fit and focused Rooney is an asset. But if he's not he could be a problem. I think you'll be ok next season, I think Chelsea will win the league but you'll hold off city. VTID {Ed004's Note - I agree with most of what you said except Fellaini and Chelsea lol}

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19 May 2013 13:10:36
Good post hard to disagree with a lot.

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Agree with what youve said apart from chelski. I think although there will be many changes this season with new manager new system new players I think the united spirit will still show through and not only will we win the league but we will do it in style with close to a record points total

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Does vtid stand for virgin till I die?

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GDS

Thanks a lot mate, just spat red wine all over my iPad.

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19 May 2013 10:57:33
Wayne Rooney is not in the squad for the trip to Westbrom.

I really do think its time he goes

Is he worth the hassle?

Richmond

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19 May 2013 11:19:49
He's not in the squad because his wife is about to give birth. Nothing sinister. I was about to post about him being absent today for those reasons then saw your post. MrE

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Oh ok

So do you see Rooney here next year?

Do you want Rooney here?

Richmond

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Sorry MrE, but when was the last time a player was given a day off due to his wife being pregnant? She isn't in labour. Of course it is sinister.

Sydney!

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19 May 2013 14:13:39
Sydney its happened lots of times in the past. Didn't Evra miss a game for his wife giving birth? She's expected to pop shortly, no point having the lad around if his minds elsewhere. Yes it could be a convenient excuse for not having him in the squad as he's on the way out. But Fergie has always allowed players time off for births. I think in this case your making a mountain out of a molehill. To answer Richmonds question no I don't expect him to be here next season. Would I sell him? Yes. MrE

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MrE, but she isn't giving birth is she? If she was in labour then fair enough. West Brom is an hour away, I am sure "IF" she went into labour he could get back in time.

Two questions, did he play in the last United game? Do you think he would have played today regardless? Of course not. As you said it's a "convenient excuse".

Anyway, what do you think will be the line-up today? Nani? Any kids?

Sydney!

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19 May 2013 10:30:37
If reports are to be believed regarding Eriksen's price tag (15 million seems to be accurate), I really think we should be going all out for this kid. the perfect replacement for Scholes and even better if Rooney does leave. I know we have Kagawa for the CAM role, but he's equally good on the left of an attacking midfield three. Kagawa, Eriksen and Di Maria behind RVP would be sensational!

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19 May 2013 11:15:29
I'm not convinced. He looks good in flashes but can disappear in games as well. I think he's looking for a move to England to a team at Liverpools level to prove he can play at a higher level and earn a move to Spain. He's never hid that ambition and I think he's looking to use England as a stepping stone to Real or Barca. I want players who want to be here for the right reason. MrE

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I wouldn't say he is the best replacement for Scholes, however he is certainly the best replacement for Anderson. Both left footers and play in the same position. With Anderson going the logical replacement is Eriksen. Strange that we haven't made a recent enquiry though.

Sydney!

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Sydney, this is possibly the worst post I've seen you make. Eriksen is good with both feet, much like Gotze, but he is not left footed. Also, despite the fact that Anderson was an attacking midfielder at Porto before being converted, he is now played as part of a central midfield two for us. Eriksen is best played off the striker. He has played deeper but I ly as part of a midfield three. I'm not convinced that he'd be strong enough to play as a two, although Modric managed it well. The main point, however, was that he is the 'best replacement for Anderson'. To me, that is utter rubbish.

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Eriksen is both footed, but has played most of his career on the left side of midfield just like Anderson who also plays left side of a midfield. Anderson may well play in a midfield two for United, but that is not his position. When he joins his next club he will play behind the strikers as a CAM.

Eriksen and Anderson (Porto) are very similar players. Apart from Eriksen can play deeper better than Anderson could. Eriksen could play on the left side of a midfield two, but I'd play him left side of a midfield three. Eriksen would be a great squad replacement for Anderson.

But something tells me Eriksen is asking for a king's ransom in salary as there is little interest in him at present. I think he will end up at Chelsea playing in a deeper role.

Sydney!

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When I've seen him at his best he has played just of the striker
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I for one think he would be a great addition for us and would be a great replacement for scholes but if we where to play him in the 3 behind the striker imagine if the 3rd player was isco with kagawa eriksen and isco all interchanging and valencia and zaha been albe to come on to add width.

i agree he's using england as a stepping stone for spain but what if he came here, became a valuable 1st team member, scored numerous goals, became loved by the fans and helped us concour the spainish and the german to prove we where the best team in Europe, would he still want a move. Even if he did imagine the money wed get for him and our players such as daelhi pearson and others would be about ready to fill that spot by then.

Just my opinion {Ed004's Note - There is just something about Eriksen that makes me think he wont get anywhere near the level some people think he will get to. The likes of Gotze, Pogba, Wilshere etc imo will be far better players than him}

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19 May 2013 10:21:24
I read a report from a certain Spanish journo, let's call him Geoff Brown ;), suggesting United have paid a fee to Athletico Madrid which allows us to match any fee they agree with other clubs for the services if Falcao. Can the Eds shed any light on this and whether this us common practice or if it in anyway puts us in the driving seat to sign the Columbian striker?

I believed Lewandowski was our number one transfer target in terms if attack but the Eds and my esteemed other posters thoughts are most welcome on whether Falcao to United could be an option. {Ed002's Note - Try the search function.}

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19 May 2013 11:52:52
I'd rather have Lewandowski does more work for the team. Can handle the physical side as well.

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So your saying falcao can't handle the physical side? he's stronger than most players in the premier league

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19 May 2013 09:23:33
"I seriously think we will be top 4 next season. Consistency is the key, and if we can turn all those draws into points, we won't be far away from being a Championship winning team. Results against the so called "Smaller clubs" will be key

My money is going on Liverpool to finish top 4 and my prediction for top 6 is this;

1. Manchester City
2. Chelsea
3. Liverpool
4. Manchester United
5. Arsenal
6. Tottenham

Champions league football for the 2014/15 Season - Just believe. Stick by the club and manager and it will all come good"

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Thought everyone could do with a laugh seeing as it's the last day of the season, and predictably, we have a classic from the Liverpool banter pages.

The season has not even finished yet and the reality distortion field surrounding Liverpool is already up and running. It's early days, but best estimates expect it to run into trouble around the turn of the year, with the simple error message 'next year'.

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Bless, so they'll bridge the 30 point gap with us and also finish on top of arsenal and spurs. Yeah whatever, and messi and Ronaldo will sign for them too. Deluded.
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Stay away from the wacky tobacy kid!

You're in dreamland if you think Liverpool will make a jump that big when every other team in the league will strengthen also.

There's a lot of work to be done there yet. I'll never get tired of the Liverpool saying 'Next year'.

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Was so shocked by the prediction that didn't see the end of the post, so my ridicule is directed at the deluded Liverpool fan :)

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19 May 2013 10:25:32
bless they have four good players and the rest is average. The toothy one departs and they'll struggle.

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19 May 2013 11:33:52
And which one of those teams play the closest style to Stoke City. You got it. Man Utd. still at least you got some shiney medals. Bless your cotton socks!

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We go through the same nonsense with them every summer. According to lfc, Liverpool would win the title this season. Well they finished 7th (like I predicted) 30+ points behind us (like I predicted). Liverpool even if they keep Suarez are nowhere near challenging us, City or Chelsea for the title. Truth is they are not ready to challenge Spurs or Arsenal for 4th. Arsenal will improve next season, they have money to spend and they will not be so poor at the start and middle of next season like they were this season. Spurs if they keep Bale for one more season and add David Villa & perhaps Eriksen, then with Dembele & Sandro returning they will be very strong. I cannot see Liverpool finishing higher than 6th for some years to come.

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If they lose Suarez this summer they will need to say goodbye to a top 6 finish!

How they think they will finish above us, Spurs and even Arsenal is an absolute joke.

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19 May 2013 07:38:08
hi guys I read the site a lot but post very rarely, love the site.
i know you guys keep talking about we need a new LB I know most of us want a tested all ready classy LB but what do you guys think about Ben Davies of Swansea.

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19 May 2013 10:38:41
Good young player, but I don't, think he will be quite good enough for us. If were going to sign a young english prospect then it has to be Shaw who will. be the best english LB in 3/5 years time.

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19 May 2013 13:07:50
Shappy the media today look to be saying Shaw is off to Chelsea. Bit of a shame as he won't get many chances there with Cashley staying on another year. So he'll probably get set back a bit. Also feel for Bertrand as he's not a bad player.

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19 May 2013 15:17:39
Its not suprising, first off Shaw is a Chelsea fan, second he is the perfect replacement for Ashley Cole, and thirdly when since Abramovic bought the club has a youth product been actually given a chance? So Bertrand was never going to get the chance to be first choice. I expect Shaw to move to Chelsea then go back on loan to Southampton for a year then back to Chelsea to take over from Cole for the 2014/15 season.

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19 May 2013 07:17:53
I get the feeling that Lewandowski to United is done deal and Rooney will be sold.

I read that Chelsea are interested and think that would be a good fit for him and Chelsea and for us as well. I think we can get close to 35 million for him from Chelsea and would love to see us spend that money on a Dimaria and Gaitan.

We would need a cm but the sales of rooney, nani, anderson would probably have us at a spend of 10 miil with the above 3 players and we can still spend up to 30 million on a centre mf.

Gaitan, dimaria, lewandowski, rvp with carrick and cm would be some line up.

Shahram

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Wouldnt want gaitan any where near uniteed. don't think he is united quality. But agree with rest.

Singh

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Gaitan and de maria are both totally over rated. I would much rather get Ronaldo or bale, moutinho or modric and strootman.
And if rooney goes, then I would love to have lewindawski here.

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19 May 2013 10:05:27
Chelsea supposedly really want him and have said name your price. I wouldn't be asking for 35 million. Donkey Carroll went for that. I'd be asking for a fee nearer Torres. If Roman's that desperate he can put up big money. But United being United we'll under sell yet again.

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True to some extent di maria shouldn't be bought but hell still be a a upgrade to nani young and valencia. But in regards to gaitan he's as worse as young nani and valencia.

Singh

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Jeez guys ho about some realism. Off course I would also prefer ronaldo or bale but not going to happen. They are of selling and we don't have the money to buy.

Modric or Moutinho as a cm will do and will be happy with that.

People who say Gaitan and Dimaria and not united quality, I say they are both better than Young, Welbeck, Valencia and zaha, so what does that make this lot LOL

Shahram

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Loll shahram its scary to think how rubbish young and valencia been this year.

Singh

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Right said shahram.
Mr singh u said that gaitan and d maria not united quality.

Check the availability of wingers.
Ronaldo not going to happen bcoz of price.
Bale not happen over priced
gaitan available and better than our winger
d maria available good pace and better than our wingers.
Mirallas (everton) should follow moyes to united good ball control
mata not available.
Robben availalble
pedro not available

Can u tell me anyother wingers who are better than above

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Mr wallace if u read my post I said to some extent di maria shouldn't be bought but I also stated that di maria is an upgraded version of nani, young and valencia. I know he players you stated isn't available or they are highly priced. But we as supporters always want the best that's why I said gaitan isn't good for united. But di maria as I said before is better then our current wingers but we could still buy someone better then him if money wasnt the issue.
Mirallas will be a good squad player too as he is young and has potential.

Singh

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Guys sorry for all the spelling goofs. Loaded in Vegas and jet lagged as hell.

Shahram

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James Rodriguez (excuse spelling) better than mirallas gaitan and di maria would much rather have him.

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19 May 2013 06:49:41
I have been visiting this site for such a long time but can't understand why people here underrate Rooney so much.
Yes he has asked for transfer and he is wrong for it. But it is true that his contribution is going unseen.
Upto last year fans used 2 carry posters of "Rooney : The white Pele" "Wazza the hero " "Wayne Rooney" and many other 2 support Rooney. But Now just because we have signed RVP, Rooney is not noticed. Fans this season carried posters such as "Ohhh Robin Van Persie", "He scores when he wants " and others.
How would a player feel if the fans who used to chant his name start chanting another player name. I mean how could we forget a players contribution for past 10 years just because of a new guy's single year contribution.
Personaly I would be devastated.
And the biggest thing I can't understand is that fans here value him under 30m£.
Really!I mean how many strikers have u people seen who runs 100 yards 2 support his defence and again runs with his breathe out 2 boost the attack. How many have u seen a player versatile as Rooney. I haven't seen a player who plays as a striker, LW, RW, CM, even DM. except this guy. How many of u except 2 watch such an amazing bicycle kick as wazza and that amazing pass as RVP 2nd goal against Aston Villa (goal of the season). by another player. I value him no less then 50m£.
U people may judge him by the no. of times he looses the ball or weight of his body, but I judge him by his dedication, hardwork, sacrifice and passion for his team. For me he is our hero. I want him 2 stay. and even he doesn't I will support him. And as No player is big as club. Manchester United comes 1st for me. But my best wishes are with Wazza.

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Agree totally, and when he goes to Chelsea and plays us off the park, we'll soon realize what we've missed. He's played out of position all the time.
Also, if u see the way rvp always congratulates him on his assists etc, you realize how appreciated he is by the players.
Saf made a total cock up of not buying a midfielder and compensated by moving Rooney back. Let's play him where he belongs and see what happens.
Also, when rvp was going thru Hus barren run, Rooney scored some important goals for us.
So let's stop this hate campaign.

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Finally someone who sees the positive side of things. Rvp is brilliant and has had a wonderful for us but Rooney can still be a integral part of the team.

DB23

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Totally agree.
If he goes to chelski and play ther at right position where he want to play he will score there more than rvp. We will reallyy miss him

dont let him go he will be our legend like scholse

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19 May 2013 11:23:55
For a year or two he might be, but he is declining. He has lost his pace, I have never seen a player get it back once lost. He has a bad attitude, he doesn't look after his body and he doesn't care. He expects to be playing every game regardless of how bad his form is. And instead of cutting down on the fags drinking and fatty foods and train harder and keep himself in shape to win his place back he decides to quit and go somewhere else. He will never replicate the form of a few years ago for us. If he goes to Chelsea I would laugh at history repeating its self Shevchenko, Torres and to a certain extent Crespo. All strikers Abramovic wanted all over the hill and all expensive mistakes. Could Wayne Rooney be added to that list? Also Chelsea are one of our biggest threats in signing Lewandowski, if they sign Rooney then it should make it easier for us to sign Lewandowski. Would you rather we keep a declining Rooney and Chelsea sign Lewandowski a player who could seriously replace Drogba at Chelsea or would you rather them get our cast offs and we sign the cream of the crop?

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He isn't a legend and how can u mention him in the same bracket as Scholes. A player that's handed in two requests to get more money isn't a legend. he's been a good player for us sometimes great. But his attitude towards fitness is not good at all. Scholses always put united before him, he still is under rated by some people. which is quite strange. If rooney stays and apologises for th request and puts his head down, works on his fitness and fights for his place in the starting 11 then maybe in few years time. He might be considered as great player. The word legend is used too common now a days.

Singh

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Snappy you say he's on his way down.

He's had injuries this year, been played out of position etc. With other players they are getting back to their best or coming back from injury.

I completely agree with the original poster and think youraking statements based on 1 poor season. I seem to remember the 'legends' giggs and scholes had poor seasons before.

Red Bear

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19 May 2013 15:34:19
He's had a poor season due to his lack of fitness, he hasn't had too many injuries this season. But the ones he's had have come from him not being fit enough.

A 27yo shouldn't be struggling with fitness. He has lost his pace and he won't get that back.

The reason he has had a disjointed season and been shifted from position to position is because he can't hold down a role in anyone of them. RvP is a better and more consistant striker than him, he also doesn't abondon his position up front if he doesn't recieve the ball for more than three minutes like Rooney does. The biggest difference RvP has made this year is by us having a dangerous striker playing up front all the time it pushes other teams further back. When Rooney plays as a striker he drops deep looking for the ball allowing teams to push up against us and thus pressure our midfield.

When he plays in the hole he doesn't have the inventfulness or the consisitancy of passing to be a constant threat. He gives the ball away too much and has a poor first touch. Ultimately Kagawa is better in the hole than Rooney.

He hasn't got the pace to play wide anymore and can't beat a man with skill.

He isn't a midfielder and can't play that role against the best teams.

So he isn't good enough in midfield, can't play wide and has RvP and Kagawa ahead of him as a striker or in the hole.

So he was forced with the option of either rise to the challenge of fighting for his place or move on to another club. He made his choice when he walked into Sir Alex's office three weeks ago. Now we need to sell him and move on. He hasn't got the right mentality to be a United player even if he still has the talent. {Ed004's Note - Agreed with everything you said there. As long as we use the funds from Nani and Rooney to fund two big name players that suit a 4231 we will be sorted out front next season as the cover in Hernandez (possibly Lewandowski), Welbeck, Valencia, Zaha and possibly Young is very good. Then all we need to do is address midfield and left back}

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19 May 2013 02:10:34
Amazing Career, Man United (Champion), Real Madrid (Champion), AC Milan (Champion), PSG (Champion). Liverpool Fan RESPECT! Btw, If it was me and I had 2 Choose i'd Choose Moyes, think he will do a Fantastic Job, Hope My Boys Will Progress and get Stronger in the Summer and We will Give yas a Proper Game Next Season ( and win Obvi :p) Future is bright for both our clubs Relish it!
concon

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19 May 2013 00:31:33
I've just read that santos vice-president has said he expects to hold discussions with real over a potential move for Neymar. If this move happens, would it make a return to old Trafford for ronnie more likely?

Dom

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18 May 2013 23:45:07
Syd
the mourhino has had it easy argument seems a bit light to me.
In the 26 years at United fergys highlight was the treble Jose has done it twice with porto and inter I don't think that was easy
Jred

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Well, a huge part of it, is that it happened in one of the most competitive leagues in the world. Mourinho may have done it in the Portuguese and Italian league, but has not done it in Spain or England. In my opinion the world's most competitive leagues are the Bundesliga, La Liga and the BPL. The Italian, and especially the Portuguese league, are much weaker than the leagues that I have mentioned. I do not want to discredit Mourinho, because he has achieved amazing things with teams he has managed, but surely it's harder to win the treble in England, compared to Portugal or Italy.

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Not taking his achievements away from him but the prem is harder do you not think?

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I would assume doing the treble in England is much more difficult than Portugal or Italy.

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Yet Saf has consistently had the best team in the hardest league yet only won 2 CL and 1 treble?

Jose has taken 'weaker' teams from 'weaker' leagues and still beat the best to the CL. That's like saying the treble for Celtic is easy as they walk the league and cup but the achievement in Europe is the master stroke, same at inter and Porto but their leagues were far from walk overs.

Add to that he won both trebles in three years of coming to those clubs it's a massive achievement both times. At Chelsea and Madrid he still won domestically but never reached the CL success so you can't knock his achievements just because he didn't win a treble with those aswell.

It's only everyone's preference on his personality that splits us on here. I think players change at different clubs and so do managers and this was the only time where we could have had him when we needed a new manager but alas the free manager was in the boards eyes the better option so off we go in the moyes tour bus.

Lets hope the Chelsea rocketship with Jose at the helm doesn't shoot past us both in transfer targets and performance.

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19 May 2013 11:31:13
But look at the mess he leaves clubs. Chelsea were a mess when he left, how many managers they gone through? Look at shambles Inter have been since he left? And Madrid's always going to be circus. Yes chelsea will be the biggest challengers next year. With or without him as manager. But whoever takes over still has a lot of work to do. The defence needs fine tuning. Midfield needs a little work. The attack is over balanced as they loads of flair creative players but lack a scorer. I also don't think they'll spend as much as people think. Journo's can go on about hundred million spends all they like its just to sell papers and get bets on sky. MrE

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I'm not getting into the Jose discussion as there are one or two on here with an unhealthy infatuation with him and they see nothing but positives with him. Even the flaws are turned into positives.

Sydney!

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I do wonder where Jose would be now had the officials in the United/Porto game hadn't made an howler with Scholes' legitimate goal. There is good luck and bad luck in games, but then there are just bad decisions.

Good manager, but he has had it very very easy so far.

Sydney!

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In 10 seasons he has won
7 league titles
9 domestic cups
1 UEFA cup
2 champions league

Just my own opinion but good players, managers or sportsmen make there own luck
credit where it's due
Jred

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I have given him credit where it's due. I have said he is a good manager and probably one of the best around, but that doesn't take away the fact that he has had it very very easy so far. Inheriting top squads and having plenty of cash to spend. After a very lucky and unjust win against us in the Champions League he has been able to jump from top team to top team and carefully choose where he goes. Picking clubs that are already winning their domestic leagues or finishing second or/and to a club with big spending power. Good manager, but he has had an easy ride thus far.

Sydney!

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