Manchester United Banter Archive May 19 2015

19 May 2015 20:38:44
On the topic of who would be a good replacement for De Gea, how about the Ajax goalkeeper. I can't remember his name, but wasn't he LVGs choice for last world cup. I don't know much about that guy so if anyone has seen him can you please share your views.

19 May 2015 20:42:16
Cillessen - not good enough for me, looks scrawny for a keeper (more so than DDG even), I think he would get bullied in the PL. Reminds me of the Canadians in South Park, I hope we don't go near him.

19 May 2015 21:29:37
bang average, no better than Krul. I'd much rather Begovic if we're looking for keepers around the 10-15m mark.

19 May 2015 21:42:58
Begovic would be a good buy 6 foot 7 a bulldozer and he speaks proper englsih being born in America

19 May 2015 22:29:32
What you talking aboot MB? He's Canadian

20 May 2015 07:21:43
We need to get Leno or oblak and rotate them with Valdes like barca are with bravo and ter stegen

20 May 2015 08:41:03
Begovic is Bosnian. He lived in Germany and Canada , but was born in Yugoslavia (latterly Bosnia and Herzegovina).

So there!!

20 May 2015 08:51:36
Did you know that Dzeko was the only Bosnian who was born and raised there out of their World Cup squad? Little factoid I picked up on a tv program.

Dzeko could be interesting if we look past the City thing, especially if we sell RVP and don't renew Falcao.

20 May 2015 09:17:14
Heard Cech would cost 10m

20 May 2015 09:29:15
Ty Betty for setting the record straight!
Beast, Dzeko to me is a lazy player that i wouldn't let anywhere near utd! Much rather prefer we look at Mandzukic if that is the sort we are after. (which i hope isn't)
If DDG leaves there is no better replacement that Asmir! Forget the Kruls, Lloris', Handovichs etc! Only other realistic and worthy target I'd consider is Cech, regardless of his poor distribution!

20 May 2015 09:38:27
We have several young keepers coming through and I hear good things about our U21 Portuguese keeper so I would look to a more experienced one like a Cech and see if the young ones develop to push him in a couple of years time

20 May 2015 13:56:56
Did we not also sign a 6"7' Serbian keeper last summer? I know he is only 18/19 years old? But I believe he is one who will be pushing for some first team football in a year or two.

My hope is Dave signs an extension, RM sign chec for a couple of seasons and we sell Dave on in a year or two for the £40-50m he is worth and not the derisory amounts being quoted in the press.

20 May 2015 15:40:57
Cech will stay in London if Chelsea approve the arsenal move. From what I read he has a gentleman's agreement with Abramovich after not leaving last season.
Begovic would be great and prem ready. is he the style that Lvg wants though?
Loris is probably too much money and most other options come with various risks. Kruul I would habevtaken a couple of years ago but not now.
Cilason would be good if we got him for £10/15m. could learn off valdes, challenge for no1 and allow him time to bulk up like ddg did. At least Lvg knows,What he gets with him attitude wise.

20 May 2015 20:06:03
Just been advised that vanja milinkovic (young Serbian keeper) is to join the first team over the summer/ be in the first team squad for next season. Let's hope he is another diamond in the rough.

Maybe Begovic would be a good signing to help him settle/ help with the language barrier.

19 May 2015 18:03:33
Good evening Guys

Where United are concerned I am forever the optimist even though things seem unlikely to happen the way I want them to.So here it is I am contemplating watching the Player of The Year awards tonight on MUTV as I expect David De Gea to win both the fans and the players player of the year which will be richly deserved now how good will it be if after receiving the awards he announces that he has signed for another 5 years.
As I say forever the optimist

19 May 2015 15:16:52
I think a lot of people don't realise De Gea's girlfriend isn't a girl he's met in a pub, she's a very famous Spanish popstar. He really isn't in a position to dictate to her with regards to where they live. And just look at her, she'd definitely be worth going back to your home town, where you both are from.

If he goes, he goes, we move on.

19 May 2015 15:34:16
And she can dictate to him?

19 May 2015 15:41:42
if she's a popstar then surely she'll always be touring anyway?

19 May 2015 19:08:16
Brendan, either 81 doesn't stand for your year of birth, or you haven't encountered many women.

19 May 2015 19:39:27
:) mpez

20 May 2015 04:39:19
Popstar?

She's in the Eurovision, she must be rubbish!

{Ed025's Note - so were abba cman...enough said.. :)

20 May 2015 08:30:35
Depends if you are a man or a mouse though MPez, you've obviously been walked all over by your women, I feel for you pal. DeGea though is a very successful sports man, playing for one of the biggest teams in the world and earning a fortune. Pretty sure she isn't as successful as he is, going by Cman's eurovision comment . Therefore, if I was him, I'd call the shots where career is concerned.

19 May 2015 13:50:20
Just saw an article which suggested which clubs we could face who might be unseeded in the CL play off. Lazio, Roma, Fenerbace and cska Moscow were 4 of them I think. Certainly not a given even if it's none of them when you consider that the players will be feeling the tension due to the significance of the game.

19 May 2015 14:33:40
Certainly won't be a walk in the park, depending on who we get. If we can't get through those 2 legs though, we don't really want to be in the CL.

19 May 2015 13:19:01
So United are looking for €40m (about £29m) for DeGea, apparently. But Madrid want to include Coentrao, supposedly. Well, tell them to get f*cked. I'd rather keep him for a year and let them lose the league to Barca again next season, with Casillas in goal, than take a derisory amount or have Coentrao involved.

I defended DeGea, when he first came, for the whole season that he got slated on here and everywhere else. And to be, more than likely, dumped now by him, has left a bitter taste tbh. I get he is a Madrid lad, but I was certain he was an Atletico boy, so it can't be his dream move. It's like me playing for Madrid, and leaving to play for City, just because my gf didn't like Madrid, it would never happen. He is settled here and we are back on the up again. So if it is just because of his gf then i'm sorry, but it's pathetic, they could split up in 6 months.

A footballer has a short career at the very top, he has plenty of years to live anywhere he likes later on. He is a very good goalkeeper, but if he does go and we end up getting a stupid amount for him, as it is his last year of contract, I may have a little smile if the move doesn't work out well. Let's face it, if he makes a mistake or two, he'll have the whole Madrid crowd on his back. At least here, he was supported 100% in the stadium when he struggled, if not elsewhere. He won't get that support at Real.

If he signed a contract, then left next season ensuring we got what he is worth, or told Real now that he would sign for them if they paid that amount now, then I would respect that a lot more. The way it is happening now, it's like he isn't that bothered that we have helped make him the player he is and took a chance on him. Maybe I am judging him on my own moral values though, we aren't all the same I guess.

Valdes for number 1 when DeGea leaves, for me. Just as good as any of the other available keepers out there. If we complete the rebuild we won't be so reliant on our gk anyway.

19 May 2015 14:07:49
brendan
will u still support him if he signs a new contract , after using madrid to get a pay rise

19 May 2015 14:26:58
jred we've supposedly offered 5 times what he was on and what we're offering is more than what he'd get at RM. If he goes back to Spain it's likely to be personal reasons.

19 May 2015 14:28:22
He would have got a pay rise anyway my good man, it's his last year and he has more experience and has improved greatly since he signed the last one. He will need to earn my respect again though. I think he has handled it poorly considering what the club and fans have done for him since joining as a young lad. Depends if he does it again I suppose ;-)

19 May 2015 14:35:36
I would rather get something for him Brendan than let him go for nothing. We have put ourselves in this position and DDG now holds all the cards. Madrid have every right to offer us peanuts but I hope Woodward and co get the best possible deal should he go.

{Ed004's Note - Honestly I wouldn't be too upset if De Gea went but at the same time we got deals sorted for Bale and Cech. Realistically our defence will be a lot better next season with the imminent signing of a centre back (probably Hummels) and a settled back four. I don't think De Gea had much work to do in most of the big games this season vs City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs. Only concern is how good on the ball is Cech?}

19 May 2015 14:43:24
reports today that united have improved there offer .
a player coming to the end of his contract negotiating for an improved contract and surprise surprise he is linked to a move to another club.

im sure some fans now won't be happy until he leaves (how could he possibly play for the club again after holding them to ransom)

if he was to move to madrid it would make a lot more sense for madrid and ddg to move next year for nothing .
of course he might just want a massive deal from united

19 May 2015 15:02:47
Depending on the original offer, if it is what has been reported, then to go above that would be ridiculous! He is a very good gk, but if the rest of the team is sorted, our gk won't be as hugely important. I accept totally, that negotiating etc is part of contract deals, along with other clubs interest, but when it goes on so long and LVG needs to be asked about it and explain what he thinks over and over, it has gone too far.

To me, it didn't look like he thought it was his last game at OT on Sunday, but maybe he wasn't wanting to give anything away. We shall see. If he is reading this, I am happy to move to Madrid for a few years and look after his gf, it would be a tough job, but for United I would do it.

19 May 2015 15:12:46
What I would like to see him do is sign a new agreement with both parties acknowledging that if RM meet the buyout clause he will have the option of leaving with no hard feelings. What's galling is the possibility of him departing on the cheap, and I think he owes United the certainty that he won't.

One would have thought it would be in his agent's interests if de Gea follows this course. It would mean negotiating 2 more lucrative arrangements, and probably a bigger payday.

19 May 2015 15:39:34
it would be in ddg interest to move next summer , madrid wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee so he could get himself a great deal.

19 May 2015 16:16:58
I'm with Brendan on this. I think the way ddg is handling the situation is extremely poor. Whoever is advising him is not thinking right. Why not sign the contract and in a year, Madrid will have to cough up £50m for him and all parties will be happy.
I would leave him in the reserves if he doesn't sign and Madrid will come running. Call their bluff. Our club has always been terrible at transfer dealings out of OT. About time we change that.

19 May 2015 16:34:05
no mid
there are 2 points
1 is ddg using interest from madrid to get the best possible deal from united ? if so will some fans then turn on him for holding the club to ransom.

2 if you where ddg why sign a new contract so madrid then have to pay 50 mill.
if i was ddg i would want that 50 mill in my back pocket .

surprised more players don't see there contract out,

19 May 2015 17:09:14
If you were the manager of a team and a player refused to re-up his contract you might be tempted to sit them in favour of someone who was more committed. No player wants to sit on the bench.

Also, renegotiation often involves more pay during the course of the contract, so why would a player spurn that, even if it means extending the duration?

Thirdly, there's no guarantee that the transfer cost savings go into the player's pocket. Remember clubs have choices too. They don't have to sign someone. There's always a potential replacement. So they're not going to fork out £100m over 4-5 years in transfer costs and wages to one player when they could get a comparable talent for half that amount.

19 May 2015 17:16:52
shaw
he only has 12 month on his contract .
im sure himself and madrid could work a deal out .
he could sign for madrid this january.

even if they gave ddg a 10 mill signing on fee it would be a great deal for club and player .

also if your going to make a player sit on the bench for the last 12 month you might as well just let him go and get his wage of the bill.

19 May 2015 17:48:51
Did we offer him an improved contract 12 months ago? Because if not, the club surely has to foot a lot of the blame for letting it get to this point. He deserved a pay rise after last season and we all know the risks of letting a players contract run down.

Jred, I don't get the impression that this is about money for ddg but I could be wrong. If he does want to go to Madrid though I agree he would be silly so sign a new contract with us at this point as he could command a far better deal out of contract than he could having recently signed one.

Its a messy situation and the ball is totally in ddg's court. I hope he stays but above all else I just hope the situation gets sorted sooner rather than later, allowing us to get focussed on incoming signings.

19 May 2015 18:37:20
badger
if he really wanted 100 % to go to madrid the negotiation would of been short and sweet .
this seems to be dragging out

18 May 2015 12:39:18
Can I get any of the Ed's opinions on what kind of a player Otamendi is? Do you think he would be a good fit here at United and in the Premier League?

{Ed004's Note - I haven't seen much of him but he seems very small for the premiership but he is a very hard worker and defensively very good}

19 May 2015 08:22:51
Given that we have so much money as a club. Can we not just employ a sniper to carry out a job on the "grassy knoll" and take out De Gea's girlfriend? Could save time and money. Kill two birds with one stone? Pardon the pun.

19 May 2015 12:51:15
She's to good looking to just kill off.

19 May 2015 13:50:02
Maybe when he watches her Saturday and realises that just because it is an equal relationship it shouldn't mean equal respect for careers, he will change his mind. What he does carries the respect of hundreds of millions, it is not laughed at by hundreds of millions. I bet if he asked her to not perform she would tell him where to go. (I am probably being out of order but I don't care).

The funny thing is the people he would go to for advice I imagine will be:

1. Friends - Spanish and want him around more
2. Girlfriend - Obviously wants to be with him more
3. Family - Want him around more
4. Agent - Pay Day

All of these people will be biased for their own gain, it's a shame that people are so selfish but he needs to man up - Madrid will be a disaster because of the Athletico thing and besides I think he needs to show a bit more loyalty!

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if he goes though, I suppose I'm a bit bitter as he is fully in his rights to move if he wants.

19 May 2015 14:12:48
You're right Beast , his friends , family and girlfriend are unbelievably selfish , don't they realise the effect this is having on your usual sunny disposition?

19 May 2015 14:40:20
I can see why he would go but if he had Ronaldo like determination to be the greatest Goalkeeper in recent times then he would stay put, work hard and get his head down.

19 May 2015 14:41:05
More often than not they want what is best for them and kid themselves it is best for all parties!

19 May 2015 14:48:02
Think everyone's misses the whole DDG point. he is not a lifeline fan he is a commodity that the club will use as they see fit. What happens if the club wants to sell a player but he wants to stay or they want to sack a manager. All clubs do as they wish when it suits, they don't think about loyalty and keep managers or playes on that basis, clubs by their very nature are selfish ask David Moyes. Of course it would be great if DDG stayed but nobody can genuinely blame him for whatever outcome he chooses. Why would he care what Madrid pay for him the less they pay the mitre money him and his agent will probably get from a signing on fee and after all it's a job. It u work at sainsburys and tesco offer u a better deal for u would u stay. Like I say unless the player has grown up a fan or developed through the youth academy why would there be any loyalty, fair enough if they have served a long time at a club but at the end of the day it's a job to DDG and would u rather wotk away from home when u didn't have to.

19 May 2015 11:11:20
Depay is sorted and if reports are true we are looking at Alexandre Lacazette and Felipe Anderson. That would be some front 3.

The Bale rumours however seem to be ever present, could Bale play the Felani position?

19 May 2015 11:51:49
Surely its a bit like looking for a job when you are out of work. You may have found the perfect job, but the might not want you so you apply for a few others. You'd like your dream job but basically you need a job so you cover your bases. If only it was a simple as identifying a player and buying them.

19 May 2015 11:54:54
Dont know enough about Lacazette or Anderson although there current year stats and reviews look good. I just worry that they would not fit the premiership or our style. just not sure.
If Bale came in he needs to be in a front 3 that interchanges. with Deepay and Rooney I think they could be lethal.
Without the pressure of the whole team passing to Ronaldo and doing what he wants Bale would be back to his best

19 May 2015 12:27:05
AJH, sorry I was getting a little excited and ahead of myself. I was talking hypothetically. BUT if we were to get all 4 (likelier I win the lotto I know) would Bale not be perfect for the Fellani position? He played his best footy through the middle, again just speaking hypothetically. With the right player in the midfield with him we would be destructive, our counter attack would be magnificent :)

19 May 2015 12:53:19
Rewz, I'd take Depay Bale and Di maria playing behind Rooney, JUST IMAGINE :)

19 May 2015 13:17:53
I really don't rate ADM, he gives away the ball far to easily and doesn't score enough (check out his career goal to games stats). Also he's a weak as a malnourished baby, I can't stand weakness there is no excuse for it.

19 May 2015 14:13:50
Jamie Redknapp thought that Bale could play as a center forward, I don't think that would work. He needs to be played outwide. I don't think we will go for Anderson and I maintain that Lacazette won't leave Lyon just yet.

19 May 2015 14:46:11
bale has played his best football playing centrally .
he also said last week his drop in form is due to him being stuck out wide.

19 May 2015 08:52:46
I just have a sneeky feeling that we might end up with Arturo Vidal come first game next season. Not sure whether that's a good or bad thing.

19 May 2015 09:14:03
Would love Vidal, midfield 3 of Vidal, Herrera and Mata would be incredible! Then fellaini off the bench as a plan b

19 May 2015 09:14:08
It would be a brilliant thing and I think you could be right mate.

19 May 2015 10:26:19
Wouldnt he be overpriced if juve win the champions league?

19 May 2015 11:23:37
Year older and further into contract, they need money, they have strong midfielders, he has a dodgy injury record. I reckon we could get him for £35m.

19 May 2015 11:43:45
Beast,

But what if he got homesick and wanted to sign for Real in 2 years? Surely 35 million would be a silly amount the spend.

19 May 2015 11:57:00
I would love him and he has proved injuries are in the past.
It would give our midfield 3 a real bit alongside Harera and Carrick (assuming fit).
Not sure Juventus will sell though if they get rid of Pogba.

19 May 2015 12:32:36
Funny GDS2!

19 May 2015 14:11:55
Will he leave Juventus in the same year Pogba and Pirlo do? I can't see them allowing both to leave. If he was going anywhere it was last year. Juventus seem to want a midfield next season of Vidal, Marchisio and Verrati.

19 May 2015 14:36:45
I'd love Vidal, he's the kind of midfielder who could still run the show confined to a wheelchair.

Funny how the Gundogan rumours have gone cold now, that lasted long. I'll say again my ideal midfield would be Gundogan CDM then Herrera and Vidal in front (assuming Pogba is as unlikely as every fish in the sea makes it out to be).

19 May 2015 18:22:27
Sorry mate couldn't resist :)

19 May 2015 02:17:56
All this talk about Degea leaving before anything is solid. Let us not forget that this is the guys who was average for 2 seasons before becoming WC and undoubtedly our player of the season this year. If anything he owes it to us to sign an extension because we will get less than he is worth with his current contract expiry etc and what if he does move to Madrid and has an awful time there adapting to their style of play again before he ends up being in the same position IC is at Real Madrid now. Chelsea keeper TC has been the best goalkeeper in the world for 2 seasons so why don't they try get him instead? It would make sense if Chelsea intend on bulking up their squad.

Either way I wish Dave the best but hope he signs for us and if it means utd go sign his best mate then so be it

19 May 2015 10:05:28
No way was he average, I had this argument every week in the pub with people. He would play similar to how he did now but would drop a ball/make a mistake every 1 in 3/4 games and that's all people would focus on. Stuck through thick and thin with the lad even when most of us were calling for his head, he owes us nothing, when SaF dropped him for Lindergaard he could have left and become world class somewhere else but he knuckled down and proved everyone wrong.

19 May 2015 11:58:40
De Gea has been brilliant since he joined us.all he needed to do was bulk up and get used to the high balls/corners that are more prevelent in our game.
He has done this but all other aspects he was brilliant.
Will be a big loss but I understand his reasoning.