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19 Oct 2013 23:48:25
Moyes needs time but my biggest concern is if we do so badly this year that next year a top 4 will be seen as success, is top 4 really a succes for the biggest money generating franchise on the planet? I hope moyes can turn it around but more importantly I hope that we don't drop our standards so much in the space of 2 seasons that we see top 4 as success? ( in moyes we trust, for now)
19 Oct 2013 23:44:42
To be honest the saddest thing about today is deep down we knew this result was on the cards, I have no doubt we will get it right but we really need to start picking up momentum fast!
19 Oct 2013 20:57:38
Aside from the obvious issues on the pitch, I was wondering what the repercusisons of our current form might be off the pitch. As I understand it, United had been hoping to secure the biggest ever kit sponsorship deal with Nike. Reported to be worth around £1 billion over 13 years, starting next season. This deal works out to be £76million per season, with the current biggest between Real Madrid / Adidas worth a mere £31million per season.
This represents a massive investment for Nike, and a huge income than the Glazer family will be, in many ways relying on. My point is, if this deal has not already been signed and sealed, will Nike sill be willing to invest so much money in a club which is so clearly in decline, at least in he short term. There will be many that point to the fact that United are the biggest, most supported club in the world. But many of those "fans" are in the far east, Asia, Thailand etc. The "fans" in these countries are not life long supporterts of the club. Their allegiances change from season to season, depending on who is successful. There are exceptions of course, are there may well be committed, life long fans in some of these countries. But if we go a few seasons without success, our worldwide "fanbase" will deminuish significantly, and Nike are not stupid.
So Eds, or anyone else who is genuinely in the know, how far on are we with the Nike deal, and how close it it to being completed? {Ed002's Note - The Real Madrid deal is a partnership that works differently than most clubs (except Barcelona). I would not worry about the impact of any particular results on sponsorship. I was at Old Trafford on Wednesday for a while whilst a sponsor ran a corporate event (food, discussion with Schmeichel, tour of the facility etc.) and no one was showing concern about the results.}
Thanks for your reply Ed,
I don't think there is any doubt that Nike will renew their deal. As I understand it, as part of the current deal, Nike had a period of exclusivity to renew it, a kind of first refusal option. That period has now lapsed, so the club are free to talk to other companies. But I have not heard of any other talks and Nike would appear "nailed on" to renew the deal.
But if the deal has not already been signed, then surely Nike will be having thoughs about the size, and length of the deal? It is by no means assured that United will finish in the top 4 this season, so would Nike really want to sign a world record kit deal with a team that may well not qualify for next seasons Champions League?
Then, there is of course the strong arguement that the Glazer family will be aware of these issues, and be forced into making more funds available (though I do genuinely believe that funds were available in the summer) in the coming transfer windows.but that is a whole other discussion.
{Ed002's Note - The deal with the various sponsors will not be put at risk by a few poor results or conjecture that the club might miss out on a top-four position. It won't even have been discussed or considered. The Glazers will continue to support the club in the transfer market as they always have. Nike is not simply looking for return of investment through the shirt sales but through brand association and visibility. The MUFC shirt sponsors are moving on at the end of this season and can claim (via some rather unsubstantiated calculations that they have obtained an excellent return on their investment (I don't want the get in to the figures I have been told) and no new shirt sponsors are coming in, paying much more, and the previous sponsors get to sponsor and rename the training facility. You seem to be digging for an issue where there really isn't one.}
Not digging for an issue Ed, just merely asking if you or anyone else thought that our current on field Tproblems may in any way affect the upcoming sponsorship deal. Not whether or nor it would happen, just whether or not it may affect the size of the deal. Thanks for your response anyway. {Ed002's Note - No, of course not.}
19 Oct 2013 20:27:53
Is there any specific reason why my replies to people replying to my ealier posts are not being approved, there was not a word I there that could be construed rude. {Ed002's Note - I have no idea, I have been out dancing this evening.}
19 Oct 2013 23:25:23
How can a team who won the title with ease last year be so poor.
We haven't sold anyone and gained a player in Fellini,
Surly now the blame has to be on Moyes we have the players available that can go out and win games but yet them players are sat on the bench.
Kagawa how the f**k he can't start behind rvp and Rooney is a joke zaha just sits in the reserves and still Moyes plays the old negative boring rubbish., yet we say give him time.
I'm sick of saying give him time by now he should know the strongest 11 every week is the same.
Fair enough we had a tough start but we should be beating teams at old Trafford, teams are coming and out playing us, its a joke.
And unless he makes changes quick say goodbye to champions league.
19 Oct 2013 23:21:35
My god I'm going to have to up my medication I think, or just stay away from here.
It's not great at the minute but did anyone expect it to be? If you did, you were being hugely disrespectful to the best manager ever. We have been going downhill for 3 years and it was only down to his fantastic management skills that we won last year when our rivals were also very poor. That said, he didn't address the problems we had which were obvious for all to see. It could be due to the Glazers blocking spending in some way, could be down to his own stubbornness, who knows???
Did you all expect Moyes to do the same job SAF managed with this team? Surely not! He needs time to assess his team/squad and then in January/summer he can make the changes HE feels are necessary. I said before the season we would finish 3rd this season and any kind of silverware would be a big bonus. I stick with that prediction and think Moyes will get it right but it will take time. Let's get this straight though, we will NOT win the league this year, we have too much deadwood that needs clearing and Moyes will sort that in the next few windows.
We have no god given right to win the league and we are going through huge change, manager wise, staff wise and player wise due to age and etc. We won't do a Liverpool and we need to give the manager time.
On a huge positive note, Januzaj signs a new contract, that my friends is a great signing. Now let's get behind the boys and manager, let him decide what needs doing in the next few windows and then we'll see if he is right or not, right now is far far far too early to be asking for his sacking.
19 Oct 2013 23:13:50
Rumours suggest MU fans unhappy with DM and are calling for his resignation.
What sort of fans are we? Do we want this club to be run in the same ways as Chelski or Man Sh%ty?
Are we that deluded that we didn't expect a slight initial decline after 25 years of the same?
Guys, we need to be realistic. Cut the abuse, start showing some positivity and support the side.
Enough said, keep the faith.
20 Oct 2013 10:08:45
Arb.
How do you know what I have witnessed. I have been watching man untd play since late 70s so don't try to give me a lecture pal when u don't know anything about me. Why don't you crawl back under that rock you were hiding under when moyes gets sacked. I'm a untd supporter and want only the best for my team. How does saying we need to be positive help. These players are millionaires and currently can't be motivated to play for the biggest club in the world.
Last time I checked the role of the manager is to motivate the players and get his tactics right against his opposition.
Clearly moyes can't do this. So why must we wait untill we become like Liverpool .you can't blame ferguson because he won the league last yeAr with this team.
19 Oct 2013 23:01:45
Nozla
Will you still be saying give him a chance if we are miles off champions league spot and miles behind top four.?
And all our best players want to leave.?
Will you still back him?
What should be done if this happens?
You're getting way ahead of yourself.
Nozzla what team are you watching
Draig you are a negative boring fan
and never seen the years of medioracy we had in the seventies and eighties and it is time you took a reallity check
we will need to rebuild and Moyes knows what is needed to get us back on track
ARB
19 Oct 2013 22:55:59
Anyone else think that Gary Neville would be a good option as future manager of club? As a club legend he certainly has the passion but also in the past year he has shown that he also knows a lot about the game and would definitely incorporate modern tactics instead of moyes and his 20th century 4-4-2.
19 Oct 2013 22:03:20
People are overreacting massively. did we lose?! no. and they are currently one of the form sides in the league.
This was always going to be a massive season for us. We lost the best manager in the league for the last 20 years, along with one of our best chairmen ever at the club.
Did people honestly think we'd stay at the same level in this first season after such massive changes.
We had a poor summer transfer window. but don't forget that our midfield has been poor for 3 years, but fortunately for us, sir alex had the know how to get an extra 20% or more out of most players.
Give Moyes time, its 8 games for crying out loud! Some good transfers and some time to settle. don't forget the players are getting used to him too!
I want the results as much as anyone else, but i'm also realistic.
Have u copied and pasted this post from 4 games in.
No, it's just people are so blinded by the Fergus years that they think we have the Devine right to expect top place finishes when such huge changes have occurred.
We can all express opinion of course. This is mine.
So you like watching a team that could play football to a team that look like they have been told to play with there wrong foot
19 Oct 2013 21:58:32
Baby faced assassin
I think sole Gunnar would be a great choice as would kloop or Laudrop . That's my top 3 any one I would be happy with.
What about the ex Munich manager won the double in final season before handing over to pep.
I really can't see moyes getting a second season in charge if he dosent qualify for champions league next season. The money loss to the glazers would be fundamental as well as value of the club plumenting.
It's not just moyes at fault what at the other coaches he brought with them doing? What next from the give moyes time supporters? Phill Neville next England manager?
It's all well and good giving someone time if the club was in a bad state but we won the league by 13 points last year guys come on we are not Everton stoke or Sunderland, no disrespect to their fans. But we are supposed to be biggest club on the planet. We shouldn't accept our team not fighting for the title we shouldn't expect mediocrity. Granted was always going to be tough job but not this tough
No we aren't but at this moment in time we will be lucky to beat them as we were sunderland
19 Oct 2013 21:41:48
I know I have been accused of posting negative posts about moyes being out of his depth, and that he must go. But after today reasults I think my views are justified team morale is at an all time low. I agree with baby faced assassin .
To all the give him time don't make a knee junk reaction supporters who also say our attack looks the best in years. Let me ask you a question would you rather win premier league by 13 points playing non attractive football or play sexy football but draw or loose most games even though we don't play sexy football. I know what I would prefer, I want us to win. I hope moyes can prove me wrong but come Xmas I think we will be out of champions league spot if our recent form continues. How in the world can phill Neville be 1st team coach when he was a squad player at untd and had to go to Everton to get regular football where he wasn't exactly a stand out player. Ferguson ahoud never have been allowed to choose successor. How the hell can Charlotte say mohrinio wouldn't be right for Man U.
He is a winner all though I don't think his second spell will work out as well at chelski. He would have been perfect for us would have found a solution to the Rooney RVP situation.
I still think we should sell Rooney to psg and try to get around 50 mil for him. RVP is a Mutch better player technique skill heading shooting even passing and vision.
Why has our defence gone so bad in one season.? Don't tell me it's because they are older etc. Ferdinand should be used for half our games with either jones or Evans alongside him same with vidic with either smalling, who I don't rate! Or Evans or jones. Days of 442 are long gone future is either 3511 or 4231 each team should be able to adapt a plan a and plan b. problem we have is we are trying to play plan an de and f in one game. Everyone seems unsure of their roles.
The RVP and kagawas are wasted in this team as are januzi and de gea Rafael etc.
19 Oct 2013 20:35:50
After getting back I thought the result was always on the cards. But what's strange is the subs! I just haven't thought any of moyes subs have been convincing so far.
19 Oct 2013 23:05:06
Don't hold your breath about Wednesday .
Even if we get good reasults following game will be back again. Just as when he was Everton manager he won one big game the lost to club bottom of the league. When did Everton go on a long unbeaten run? Never
19 Oct 2013 20:12:52
I generally am scared about the future of our club. This isn't a knee-jerk reaction as I have been worried for the past few seasons, it was obvious our team was ageing and we also had a lot of poor quality in the squad.
Now we have a manager who is look fairly out of depth right now and IMO shouldn't be here, I always worried Moyes would take over as I think it's too early, I would have proffered him going to Shalke as I do believe that was the plan? And to see how he did.
Now he is manager all we have seen is the spark completely removed from our team, we look dire in attack and although stronger at the back we still come across fairly poor at times.
I am not going to start ranting and raving about the "Moyes out" campaign as some already are, but I want Moyes to finally realise he isn't at Everton and he needs to start getting the team playing like champions, this isn't the Manchester United I used to watch.
I hope Wednesday we can all be relieved by a strong performance.
Its going to take time for him to get to grips with the job its so massive.
I personally expect nothing this season if we can get top 4 that's as good as we can hope atm
I hate when people say that Moyes needs to realise he's not at Everton anymore. He knows what his job is. We're 8 games into a season. He's inherited a very good squad, but one with some problems and personnel that need replacing. Let's get behind the manager.
Ruudin,
Although Moyes is at one of the biggest clubs in the world, he still seems to use similar tactics to Everton. The defensive style is being implemented into our team and it's ruining us.
I will back him, as long as he changes his tactics and sorts this all out.
Not good enough 5 minutes too go takes rooney off and puts a defender on tells southampton we are happy to settle for 1-0
19 Oct 2013 19:51:34
Here is the main problem guys! I don't know who to blame it on! Moyes or Rooney! We CANNOT play with 2 strikers, specially seeing that Fellaini and Carrick's partnership is just new. And we don't have energy and of Ramires in our midfield. Obviously there is no pace in our midfield. Someone has to play in the hole! I know Rooney said he wants to play as striker, but what team needs is him to play in the hole. IF he can't we might aswell give chance to Kagawa! It is very sad to see him getting wasted there. I am huge fan but I will understand if Kagawa wants to go back to Dortmund! and U know he will go in there first team!
I couldn't agree more about us playing two strikers. It just isn't working. I would like us to go with a 451 system, using two attacking midfielders and one holding midfielder: Kagawa and Januzaj playing in the CM attacking role, with Carrick in the holding role; Valencia and Welbeck playing as defensive wingers, with a choice of Rooney or Van Persie up front - would be, IMO, the best system to use, at this moment in time.
19 Oct 2013 19:17:33
You should listen to some of you people on hear! Sack moyes?? The result was disappointing. But do we not put any blame on our shambles of a defence. On attacking we are the best we have bean in years. We where never going to win the league. but all this get moyes out is crazy talk! He will be given time,,,, and players will go before he does! Stop worrying about what other teams are doing. They will have there bad days. Moyes should be judged at the end of the season. Can't we just get behind are team
It is not crazy talk. The team has won 3 games in 8, and has been out-played by teams that not to long ago, were plying their trades in the second tier of English football.
The man is out of his depth. He is trying to force a style of play that is totally unsuited to the players' we currently have at the club.
The team cannot afford to finish outside the top 4. That cannot be emphasized enough. And as it stands, the team are more likely to be battling relegation, then challenging for a top 4 spot, let alone mounting a title challenge.
It is totally unacceptable; and the longer this goes on, the greater the damage will be
After every poor performance and poor result we get the same 'give him time' posters like you and nothing is changing we are still playing awful football and are tactically woeful.
We are 8 games into the season and we've won 3 of them, 2 of which were against teams almost certain to go down.
We dropped 5 points at home to saints and WBA and still you all say 'judge him at the end of the season'
Now i'm not having a go and I admire the fact you support the manager and I honestly hope he gets to grips with the job and what's expected of a united manager but so far iv seen no improvement and I worry what happens if we miss out on UCL.
The £50m prize money we lose? Where do the glazers recoup that? They need to service the debt so something must give. that's when we will struggle because that £50m will mean either selling star players and/or more average signings.
If you look at the bigger picture then what happens this season is critical and if we look as if were struggling after xmas then moyes has to go although ideally hel turn it around as I don't want to see managers coming and going
Oh no! A Liverpool supporter has infiltrated the site. Their plan is simple. convince everyone that Moyes only needs time and everything will be ok.Moyes who took over a sleeping giant 10 years ago and managed to keep them asleep!
Ok then guys. Your saying get rid of moyes after 8 games? And who do you get? Klopp.? No chance. who is out there who would leave there club? Moyes will be given time. He knows how big the job is now and I would expect 1 or 2 signings in January. The problem we have is we have too many squad players and not enough class. We just need that modric kind of midfielder. Giggs needs to call time . But I still feel moyes is the man and needs time
We should have tried rene instead of gollum I am hoping they make lord of the rings four so gollum sods of filming that instead of turning us into mid table
19 Oct 2013 19:16:24
Seriously guys some of you need to calm down a bit. Your making us look silly. The overreactions of some of you are just embarrassing, and hearing people call moyes out, after 8 games is ridiculous. Fair enough the subs were questionable but I suppose moyes was thinking bringing giggs on would bring stability and just slow the game down, it obviously backfired, but I think we actually played well today, and had that goal not have gone in then we would have been talking about another good decision to start Januzaj and the link up play between him RVP and Rooney was impressive. don't forget we also hit the bar twice and I think we were very unlucky not to have won. i'm sure all of you were saying how you will give moyes a chance at the start of the season, I think a chance means more than OCT.
If Moyes had a pedigree then I'm sure he would get more support. and yes had his changes resulted in us going on to win the game then of course we would all be a lot happier. but his changes resulted in us getting worse. that's why so many of us on here are against Moyes because he is just getting it all wrong!
Was you at the game? played well southampton were all over us 1-0 up takes rooney off puts a defender on settling for a 1-0 not good enough
19 Oct 2013 19:15:56
I really don't know why people are so surprised at what we are seeing. Back in May a few of us pointed out what to expect from a Moyes appointment and it has transpired so far.
We can focus on poor substitutions and negativity yet SAF made strange ones as well but to me it is more fundamental than that. Can anyone really tell me what Moyes direction is? We know how he set Everton up but what is his vision for United? We often hear that Moyes set Everton up in the way he did because he couldn't buy what he really wanted or was it really what he believed in? Is he now setting United up in a similar way because it is his vision for us?
Are the players privately starting to question the decisions they are seeing from the manager? In management when you step up a level into a role where there is an existing team it is natural instinct for the team to talk with each other and question whether the new manager has what it takes, has the new person the knowledge and the vision to bring success, the team look at decisions the manager makes and form an opinion.
We are not the team SAF inherited in the eighties we are or were champions who know what is needed to win. I wonder after today whether the team and the experienced players are starting to question Moyes.
The owners must be getting a little nervous, whilst there is a long way to go the top four is starting to look difficult to achieve and that together with the team not believing in him could be catastrophic for Moyes.
I suspect that the club will be far more flexible this winter than in past windows. The owners will be nervous and they will want the new players to have a positive impact on the rest of the current playing staff.
I am off out now to drown my sorrows, 15-20 JD and cokes should do the trick ;)
Sydney
Do you really truly trust Moyes with a big transfer budget? I am very nervous on that score. January is really not the time to buy top players
Just got in from the game what a pile of crap absolute shocker again
19 Oct 2013 19:15:42
After the great recent success 20 years of it! It seems only natural that now something monumetally bad will happen, yes it's bad! Moyes looks bewildered, everything he does goes tits up, he's always been defensive, it's not new!
We must get over ourselves, no one team has any Devine right to success!
It's actually amusing, in the space of 6 months we've gone from top dogs and every fan of every other club in England and Europe are pissing themselves! It takes skill to make a mess this big Gerald ratner springs to mind!
Have faith, United will survive and get through this perfect storm of disaster! It will take time, maybe a different manager or two, new owners but it will happen! This my friends is going to be biblical for most, it's going to take years!
19 Oct 2013 19:11:02
2 questions:
if you could replace moyes, what AVAILABLE manager would you take?
What manager would you want to come in (currently not available) if you had the pick? {Ed004's Note - I still think Moyes deserves time as a manager and ill will still support him but I think Klopp should've been first choice}
Klopp all the way. Always my first choice, his passion is infectious and he would of been absolutely perfect. Shame, but as the Ed said, I will continue to support Moyes.
The problem is finding one that's available. Klopp would be my choice but would he even want to leave dortmund?
I personally think we made a huge gamble appointing moyes in the first place and IMO if we were going to take a gamble idv gone for solskjaer in the summer.
I doubt anyone will agree with me but my reasons are
1.he knows what our club is all about and what's expected
2.He wouldv been given far more time than moyes has by the fans
3.he won the title for molde for the first time in their history so knows what it takes to win a championship, albeit in norway.
4.he retained the title with molde which is always more difficult no matter what country it is
5.he reads the game so well and even as a player noticed how the games were unfolding which is why he was so good off the benxh
6.he has molde playing fast, attacking football which is what we should expect from any united manager.
Like I said he wouldn't have been my first choice but if we appointed moyes then apart from experience I don't see anything else that moyes has that solskjaer doesnt, in fact you could argue that solskjaer ticks more boxes than moyes does.
But I think given how far we keep falling behind we need a truly world class manager to turn things around if moyes cant
19 Oct 2013 18:31:08
Nick
I don't give excuses, I just give my opinion. I am neither a deluded optimist or a merchant of doom. You clearly missed my post WBA rant. I thought we looked better in parts today but there are still some serious issues to address. Fellaini looks sluggish and nothing like the beast who dominated us last year. We still seem unable to dominate a game, and we have too many players either not quite good enough or not living up to their reputations.
That was me, don't know why my tag is missing.
19 Oct 2013 18:20:05
Im never convinced by what Moyes says in his interviews. Just seen his post game one on the tv and he just seems to accept that a draw is good enough/ acceptable. Does he actually get the concept of Manchester United? i'm so baffled by him at the moment. Also when was the last time we actually played well? Can anyone remember.
19 Oct 2013 17:58:43
If we don't get rid of Moyes now, we will not get CL football next season. For me, Arsenal, Chelsea and City are top three certainties - followed by Spurs, Liverpool Everton and possible Southampton, competing for 4th spot.
The team have fallen to a level of performance that I have never witnessed before. I am 33 years of age, and have seen so many games at OT; but never have I seen a United side look so poor. We seem to have forgotten how to attack, and that is primarily down to the fact that the manager and coaching staff, do not have the necessary tactical ability to get the best out of the set of players' United currently possess. We are not playing to any of our strengths; and to make matters worse, the players' seem to have no faith or understanding in the type of football Moyes is asking them to play.
In short, Moyes and his Everton backroom staff must be sacked, before the unthinkable happens, and we are competing in the Europa league - if we're lucky.
"but never have I seen a United side look so poor"
Well mate get used to it.
.Gooner, with the right manger in charge, we would still be a force with the current players' available. We still posses world class players' of the highest quality. The problem is, Moyes' only knows how to play one way, which is alien to the players'.
Players only know ONE way to play? They are mostly Internationals for various countries, being played multi thousand pounds each week . you must be joking . players just aren't good enough, lost confidence . reduce what they earn . they'll soon learn to play another way . even the Under 16's know more than one way .
Oh no! the europa league - just like when Fergie was the manager - remember.?
19 Oct 2013 17:51:40
dont care what any body else says or trys to slate me for saying it this football is abysmal any body who says moyes needs time whants to think at what cost we will end up out of the top four and none of the big stars will want to come to us I think a few chants of moyes out at home games will probably get the persons upstairs to notice before dithering dave ruins our great club
Well said!
19 Oct 2013 17:54:10
I am probably as disappointed as anyone else right now. Absolutely gutted! But I felt our front 4 at times were breathtaking. Some of their link up play at times was superb. It was a great game. Southampton are a brilliant side. We twice hit the woodwork and Borus saved a crackerjack from Adnan. There was one Rooney offside goal as well. Overall our attacking play was better than it has been this season. Nani over Valencia anyday for me.
But there is no justifyin Moyes's decisions second half. What on earth is Ryan Giggs going to do to protect a 1-0 lead? Give the ball away? Bring in Welbeck "bambi on ice" who just knows how to gallop and when has the ball is probably as good as me. Why on earth did he not pass for Rooney? He sure thinks he is Messi. The way he falls is disgusting. Smalling on for Rooney? Might have been ok if we were clinging on for dear life. But no Moyes wants to defend 1-0 leads. Something he has shown in almost all his matches. Why not throw in Kagawa or Hernandez to get a 2 goal cushion.
I hate to say this, but this is just not the United way. You can call out SAF for being blind to a lot of our frailties, but you can't help but think we would not be conceding late on if he was there. This weird defensive mentality is so small time. I am genuinely worried. It has been a norm this season. All our substitutions are DEFENSIVE. Ryan Giggs, please don't damage your legacy. May be G Nev can talk to him?
Deeps.
19 Oct 2013 17:48:26
Lets it be honest Danny Welbeck is a nothing player. Useful in some game during the season but is no where near united quality. Hernandez looks more comfortable with the ball at his feet. Welbeck has no composure, there was a point where he was through on goal, keep in mind he is one of the fastest on the field, and he screwed it up. The ball seems to always get stuck under his feet. He is then put on to play left wing when we have zaha and kagawa? Why was giggs anywhere near old trafford today and what was the tactical reason for putting him on? was he gona help defend?
Were manchester united and were throwing on a 3rd cb at home against Southampton. Ludacris!
Bydaway Ed I've never really watched Adnan play for the reserves, does he usually play as a winger or a no.10?
19 Oct 2013 17:43:24
The excuses you guys make are astonishing. Waiting to hear GDS and AJH excuses as well. We got what we deserve.
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Nick,
Not today mate, just because I give positives and don't overreact to every result like the posts below doesn't mean I won't be honest.
The substitutions were an absolute joke, we are Manchester United we do not take a striker off and put a defender on, I would not have been happy with a 1-0 win, you could tell the fans were quiet as soon as we made that substitution. I go to old Trafford because I love my team and because they entertain me, the best way of defending a 1-0 lead is to make it a 2-0 lead. Moyes needs to learn very very quickly before this season is an absolute write off. The team out there today was better than Southampton, we should not be dropping points at home in games like this.
Despite what you might read on here the fans at the ground have not turned on moyes and people are a lot more positive than some of the posts I have read below, but unless moyes learns the Manchester United way very quickly he is going to be close to losing the whole fan base.
Sorry mate but I had to mention you, just to see what would you say to defend Moyes this time.
DM is not United quality and we deserve better. Only time will say how big will be the damage for hiring him.
The link up play between Rooney, RVP, Januzaj and Nani proves that we're still a good team. But in the other hand we don't have a capable manager.
442 in modern football is a hard risky formation to use against pace teams like Sotton and once again the so caledd 'The chosen one' cannot see it.
Top 4 is getting to far game after game.
19 Oct 2013 17:43:05
I was all for giving Moyes a chance and I hate it when clubs sack managers after only a few games but it is clear to the whole world that it just isn't working out with Moyes in charge and we should cut our losses now before it is too late the title has already gone and unless there is a remarkable turn around then top four is gone as well
The title has not gone and top 4 has not gone. I am all for opinions but overreactions like this after 8 games are embarrassing.
I think its already too late for the title, its top 4 we need to be working for.
Moyes hasn't worked out I wouldn't trust him with a penny in jan transfer window, sack him and get in somebody with a winning or at least an attacking mentality.
If we would of got Jurgen Klopp, I think we would be in a very different position now. Not saying i'm not backing Moyes though
Gds a few weeks ago it was 6 games that are winnable that went tits up this week it was 4 home games to get our season going that just went tits up when is the season going to start? today was a disgrace moyes haent got a clue
19 Oct 2013 17:30:56
This reminds me of when Busby retired. A manager that cannot cope with the size of our club. Fergie's biggest mistake was recommending Moyes. He has a second class mentality that is only going to drag our club down. I will support this club and its staff whatever happens but I see a descent into the days after Busby unless changes to management are made and made quickly.
I didn't think I would ever say that the Glazers are our best hope as they will not themselves be hit in the pocket by continued bad results and todays result was bad.
Well here's looking forward to the next game and hoping a change comes because we damn well need it.
Unfortunately I remember these days too. And I mentioned that when we appointed Moyes. Lessons were not learned.
But its not the end of the world, we need to recognise our mistake and try to correct it. That means, no Moyes I'm afraid.
The season is a right off, but we need to get back on track to even think of fourth spot. And we'll not achieve that with Moyes in charge.
19 Oct 2013 17:28:49
So after the city game myself and a few others questioned whether moyes was good enough and a few others insisted he needed time and our next 6 league games were winnable and we should get some momentum going after our 'difficult early fixtures'.
Well, 2 of those 'winnable games' have now gone and we've won none and tbh probably didn't deserve to win any so when do we get to the point when enoughs enough?
Dont bother telling me to support united no matter what and we were spoilt under SAF because Iv supported united since the 70s so know exactly what it was like before our success from the 90s onwards and don't tell me moyes needs time and is getting to know his players because he took over a team of xhampions and should know EPL players inside out after 10 years with everton.
This isn't just a post match reaction I honestly haven't seen ANY improvement since the first game of preseason and that's a big concern for me so where do we go from here? i'm not saying sack moyes but are any fellow posters concerned at the lack of improvement? And if so where does it end?
19 Oct 2013 17:51:52
About 90% of the fans never wanted him. But we had to give him a chance. But there is two much going wrong. From dismantling the back room stuff, binning the original transfer list, poor team selections, Rio, young, giggs, no kagawa, no zaha, no Hernandez, the wheels are coming off. The only positive has been januzaj.
Agreed. moyes must be kicked out before its very late.
we r not attracting big players, and if we finish out of the top 4, a few will also not come. and clubs will sell us players like fellaini as triple the price
100% agree, get rid of him, nothing he has tried as worked.
Failed to attract any top player in summer and if we don't get champions league next year (and I really fear we wont) then the top, top players won't be interested.
My biggest worry is we probably need to spend £100m+ over the next 18 months to replace ageing players and recruit the 2 top quality midfielders we desperately need and I seriously doubt moyes can be trusted to identify these players and spend wisely what's needed to keep us competitive.
Look at what we ended up paying for fellaini. I actually don't think hel end up a bad signing but even moyrs must know he payed at least £10m too much especially when you consider he cost almost 3x more than wanyama did.
Even if we went out and bought a world class creative cm i'm convinced we would never see the best of him because of moyes' negativity and obvious lack of attacking tactical nous.
We look like a rudderless ship atm with no idea which direction were heading and after 5 months we should be at least showing some kind of improvement but were actually looking increasingly like an average mid table side and if things haven't improved dramatically by xmas then there needs to be changes.
Unfortunately moyes is a defensive minded manager and i'm not sure someone whos been around as long as he has can change that mindset especially as we haven't seen any evidence of it so far even with the likes of rooney, RVP, kags, janujaz, zaha etc in the squad, half of which have barely had a chance {Ed004's Note - Over the next few seasons we need a centre back to replace Rio and partner Vidic, a left back to replace Evra, a minimum of one central midfielder to play beside Carrick and I think two wingers, with Nani, Valencia and Young being sold. That's not taking into consideration Vidic, Carrick and RVP will need replacing in next 2-3 years}
Ed004
Exactly. Would you trust moyes to basically rebuild half the team over the next couple of seasons? I certainly wouldnt. {Ed004's Note - No}
Ed004. We may have to replace Vidic this summer if he doesn't sign a new contract. It looks like carrick will sign a new deal tho. Also if we don't finish in the top 4 then rooney will be gone I would of though. {Ed004's Note - I think Vidic will sign a new deal and Rooney going wouldn't bother me as much. He is a very good player however, I think Kagawa would be fine in behind RVP as long as we got two wingers who play at a fast tempo}
19 Oct 2013 17:26:07
I will continue to support the team and the manager, but surely, if results carry on like this, then the board will have no other option but to consider his position? Any other team would and seeing as we are defending champions, if by Christmas, we are still a long way off the top, then alternatives will have to be looked at? I am not being a plastic fan or whatever you want to call it, but 11 points from a possible 24 is awful and if you want to accept that and be OK with that, then maybe you are not a true fan, because we are Manchester United and should be competing at the top of the league. Yer you can bang on about how it was like this before Fergie and how he had a rough patch, but he has got us to where we are today, so we should be continuing that, not going backwards. Time to stop digging up the past and live in the present moment. We are not Liverpool.
All day it was obvious Southampton were going to get a draw or even a winner, they outplayed us. I wouldn't mind so much if we were playing great attacking football, but we are so stagnated and so open to teams just running through us. We have no identity and i'm pretty sure we are out of the title race already. I wasn't expecting a majorly successful campaign, but I was expecting more of a fight than what we are showing. Moyes out? Not yet and quite possibly we could all be eating our words by the end of the season if he turns this around, but time is ticking and he is in real danger of losing the fans and maybe even the players if this continues. The pressure really is on now.
We will all continue to support the team.
I don't think the board will be left with much of an option, I agree I didn't expect titles this year but didn't expect us to be outplayed by average teams.
I just have no idea what DM is trying to do, I don't know what system he wants to play and definitly don't understand his substitutions.
It was plain last year and in pre-season that we have no creativity or legs in midfield, but he still spent the xfer window ignoring this and then panicking in last couple of days. the guy is way way out of his depth, and only thing I disagree with u on is I think he should be sacked now.
No your not Liverpool, you aren't 2 points off the top of the table
It's about time you Manc's got a grip and look at the bigger picture. Your team is rubbish, pure and simple
As things stand, you will be no where near the top 4, and I hope you aren't. You think you have a god given right to be there. "We are United" blah blah. "Not the United way". What a loada sh**e!
Your no better this season that a mid table team, and that's where you will finish up with a bit of luck
You all mouth off and slate Liverpool, but boy have the tables turned. You will be fighting Everton for a Europa league spot if your lucky, and I mean lucky!
Well done Davey Moyes, your doing a grand job, keep it up!
Rd
A true person always finds his way on this page when we have a set back and funny it is always a scouser.
Don't you worry we will still finish ahead you and your england assistant manager.
19 Oct 2013 17:20:26
Rooney was abismal today and gave the ball away almost every time he got it. Kagawa must just be shaking his head. Chris Smalling you have got to be having a laugh
19 Oct 2013 17:19:13
He really hasn't got a clue what he is doing and what about those ridiculous substitutions at the end. Last season I was crying out for the Southampton manager to be brought in as our no 2 with a view to making him no 1 and today he showed why. His team played football and we just hooft it up the pitch. Moyes just sat there looking clueless and the man to blame sat in the stands.
SAF has played dirty politics. gave us a person who will distroy united in such a way that we will never come back and he will always be remembered as last constructer of glory days. no1 could ever touch his achievements
Rodio. Even if that's true which I 100% doubt it is true. Manchester United could replace Moyes with whoever they want to, whenever they won't to. Its not like Fergie has appointed Moyes forever.
19 Oct 2013 17:15:53
well another "great result", playing absolute caveman football. but at least cardiff, sunderland and norwich lost, so we should stay out of bottom 3 for a while although at least those 3 clubs try to play football.
I have been against moyes from the start and have been interested in most of the comments on here regarding him, ie give him time, he's learning etc. its all crap, lots of new coaches this year at new clubs doing well prime example martinez at everton, playing good football with virtually same set of players as moyes and getting results.
the guy has been found out, no tactical ability at all, once in the lead tries to shut up shop and has no idea what his best team is.
Would suspect that both rooney and RVP will start making some noises about moving pretty soon and I for one don't blame them.
Both arsenal and chelsea have demolished there opponents today but we are unable to beat southampton, who while they play good football are not top quality.
Look at the season so far. lost to average pool team and city and west brom!, drawn with southampton and lucky to beat sunderland and palace (dodgy penalty). I mean this is worst than anyone could have thought of.
I understand people who will say i'm fickle, over-the-top etc but I've been supporting utd since '83 so I remember the barren years, I also remember a liverpool team who dominated the '80's and then went into serious decline due to old players and poor choice of managers and are only beginning to come back now. would hate to see that happen to us.
Moyes has inspector clouseau'd his way from the start, get rid of a winning backroom staff in favour of guys who have won nothing, decide against all summer targets as he didn't pick them, needed to assess his players during the season rather than in pre-season even though he's been aware of these players for years, decide against meeting a get out clause for a donkey and then pay 4mil extra after season has started. these things are not the sign of a competent manager and I hope and pray he'll be sacked by xmas, as not only are we dropping points, the football we are playing is woeful. off to the pub. DISGUSTED. MOYES OUT
Problem is that he has made some odd decisions and they've all backfired. His tactics are non existent. His substitutions have been disasters. His backroom staff selections have been ridiculous.
So the question is, do u trust him to go and spend £100m on new players? I don't as the £27m he spent on fellaini have demonstrated how out of depth he is.
I think sometimes, you've got to admit mistakes and correct them sooner than later. Moyes will survive in another club and united will be great again, but the combination of Moyes and United is a mistake and the sooner we correct it the better.
U r absoluty right mate.
1 question nomid where is this 100m coming from, but agree we need to correct fergies mistake
19 Oct 2013 17:13:31
Don't get me wrong Southampton are a better side than people think, but what worries me is not the defence, it's the lack of chances being created and buried and just how negative our manager is. He brought on Smalling to sure things up and sacrificed an attacking player. If we had brought on Zaha or Hernandez or both and went all out for the second goal, we wouldn't be worrying about conceding one. SAF was attack attack attack, Moyes is defend, defend, defend. The negativeness is not just affecting the results, but it's affecting our performances and our flair going forward. One more thing, can someone please explain to me how Fellaini was ever going to save our midfield? He will have some good games for us against certain sides I'm sure, but he hasn't improved us one bit. Moyes and Fellaini will need time to adapt, but it's what we are adapting into that I'm concerned about. We are slowly becoming an Everton mark II.
Slowly?
It has only been a couple of months and he has already got a squad of champions playing like a a bunch mid-table journey men.
Have you ever seen a United side play so many long balls? Moyes isa disciple of the Jack Charlton school of football management.
How will you solve the midfield problem Dave?
By bypassing it of course. Don't need good midfielders when the strategy is to hoof it over their heads.
Syd, the team are playing the worst football I have ever seen. To make matter worse, Moyes' is tactically clueless. His substitutions were wrong on all accounts, and it cost us the win.
It is time to cut our loses. No more fing excuses. The team cannot afford to not be in the CL next season; and to be completely objective, we will struggle to finish in the top six the way we are playing.
The team must have a plan B in place. I am not sure that everyone at the club would have wanted Moyes, so some sort of back-up must have been put in place. Well, I hope it was.
Sydney!
I always had the opinion that you liked Fellaini. You always said he would add Strength and Steel to the midfield. The only negative thing you said was that he cost an extra £4m. The guy isn't worth £15m. He can't pass the ball and what's the point of strength if he can't keep up with the players around him. Reminds me of peter crouch playing in mf. His performances have proven that jones is a a better deep lying mf than he is. He is suited to playing up in the last 3rd for a hoof it up team stlye. Problem is we spent near to £28m for him so were stuck with him for the foreseeable future.
Sydney
Bringing on an additional defender for a striker when leading with 5 minutes to go is not negative and every decent manager out there does that. I agree with one thing, giggs should not be in the squad period, but it also tells us how poor the rest are for him t be getting game time.
He has inherited a poor midfield and we will all need to live with it until we get some talent in there.
I also agree fellaini is a waste of money.
Syd
Even if Sotton were Bayern or Barça. At home we MUST win. No excuses. Moyes is a clown.
SAF has not been "atttack atack attack" as you put it for the last 4 or 5 years Syd. He only went down that route when we were losing, or neede a goal. The truth of the matter is, we have been playing low tempo, boring and negative football for a long time now. It has not just suddenly started under Moyes. I have said since his appointment thay Moyes needs to be given time, and I still stand by that. But in all honesty, I am, like many starting to think he is out of his depth big time. But to be fair to him, he hasn't brought our problems with him. Our players are on the floor confidence wise, and badly need to turn things around. But the players themselves need to turn things around. We have far more ability in the team than we are currently showing, ans I agree the managers tactics are not helping. The truth is, Moyes was SAF's choice, and probably because SAF sees him as the condidate most like himself. Can anyone here honestly say that if SAF was still our manager today, that he wouldn't have made similar substitutions to what Moyes did today? We have seen similar subs to today many times over the last few seasons, but just because they were made by our greatest ever manager they were OK.
It has become obvious that David Moyes is not the answer to our problems, but he is not the cause of them either.
Yes he is wrong man for us. its a short summery
Sulei, Fellaini is exactly what I expected. Pardoe too. Slow, cumbersome with limited technical ability. There is no point having steel in midfield if he is too slow to catch the opposition midfielders. I think Cleverley offers more than Fellaini. Cleverley is better than him in every department other than strength and aerial ability. IMO we have just spent £30m on another squad player. The only problem is Moyes will be forced to play him as he spent a fortune on him.
I think these are becoming quite dangerous times for the club. A very poor midfield with no creativity or bite, a misplaced loyalty in players, like Giggs, who are well past their best and strange, defensive tactics. I've no doubt Moyes is there for at least a season but if we don't make the top 4 then the better players won't want to join us and the sort of decline Liverpool suffered may become a reality for us. Really time for Moyes to learn a few lessons and start being braver with his selections and tactics. We are a club with an exciting, attacking tradition and it's not much fun at present!
Fellaini would do better with a quick player beside him as would Carrick.
Put Carrick and fellaini together and you have a slow cm lacking ideas
19 Oct 2013 17:13:09
David moyes has been a complete negative and non sense manager,
wrong tactics, wrong formation, scared of big names here, complete wrong substitutions.
giggs is becoming disgrace to himself day by day.
27.5m pounds gone in waste, wanyama was 10 times much much batter player than " BABY SPEED FELLINI "
i really feel like giving a tight slap to David Moyes for wasting our season. its good as gone.
i m being honest I was not looking to win the EPL but I m hereby writing off our chances in top 4 as well. they really don't deserve it.
all the small teams will have a good go at us, we will keep sitting deep trying to defend, which we have always failed to do even under SAF.
at least we were scoring now that's gone as well and all this blame can go to pathetic midfield. including winger.
its disgracful to see the club of Man Utd's size to struggle like this.
Failure of transfer window has started paying.
# MOYESOUT.
19 Oct 2013 17:05:40
I hope people are starting to see why Moyes is out of his depth at a top club. I said it weeks ago after the cup win at Liverpool that the cowardly tactics of trying to defend one goal leads is not how a team wins trophies. But yet again his midtable mentality came to the fore again today.
Southampton are a decent team, but they are not world beaters by any stretch. They matched us for most of the match, which is bad in itself, but they completely dominated us when Moyes starting hauling off our attacking players and setting the team up to play like an away side. Smalling for Rooney was pathetic and smacks of a manager who lacks the courage to win games and has no faith that his team is good enough to win. Such a revealing set of substitutions from a manager who still acts as if he is managing a mid table club, and is too stubborn to change his ways.
Someone posted today that we should all stand up and congratulate Moyes and the board for signing Januzaj for another 5 years. After Moyes's performance today, we should all sit back down and keep our heads in our hands until next season when hopefully we will have a winner in charge instead of a dithering coward.
Sadly we have done exactly that for the last 3 or 4 years imo SAF was terrible for that
This is right on the mark.
When we lose appx 50m in revenues/turnover next year from not being in the Champions League, reduced crowds and reduced commercial income from shirt sales etc, the Glazers are going to find the capital to invest in the necessary acquisitions even more difficult to come by. United's business model is predicated on income from these resources being a constant in order to service and manage the debt.
19 Oct 2013 17:00:53
Moyes' ridiculous substitutions cost us the 3 points. Giggs was chosen to come on as usual in preference to kagawa or zaha for nani who was causing them a few problems. Giggs was then moved from right wing to centre midfield to up top with rvp. Bizarre stuff. Then tactical genius Moyes breaks up the jones Evans partnership which had been solid all day by introducing smalling and we promptly concede. Baffling decision making. Looking more and more out of his depth by the minute. Things are looking very bleak right now.
19 Oct 2013 16:59:21
This season is a write-off. The only form of mitigation is to get rid of Moyes and his mediocrities now, and replace him with a stop-gap, probably Ferguson.
For all of the deluded optimists out there today was the indelible proof that this management team is out of its depth, is tactically simplistic, and will continue to degrade us.
Best to stop the rot now and re-group enabling Kagawa other obvious talents to be deployed.
I couldn't agree more. The team don't seem to attack anymore.
It is horrible to watch this team at the moment.
Somethng has to give. The club cannot afford to finish outside the top four.
19 Oct 2013 14:26:47
Montpelier have said that if United come in with a €18 Million bud(£15 Mill) then they would accept for Cabella.
Rumours also state that Hummels has a clause of 29.5 Million(Don't know if its £/€) and that United are looking to activate it with Barcelona also ear-marking him as Puyols replacement. Any truth to this Ed? {Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}
19 Oct 2013 16:55:23
ngiak can't believe the team and manager
giggs?!?!?!?
smalling for Rooney?!?!?
what in the world is going on?
giggs 100% record of not winning a game from coming on from a winning position
what in the world is going on?!?
ngiak does not recognize this team
everyone else winning with big margins
this is unbelievable ngiak is lost
gan
Negative manager, negative football, buying dead slow footballers in this modern football, chances given to 40 yrs dead leg than a promising 20 yrs old.
since the first whistle United was on back foot, always chasing ball like head less chickens.
its getting disgraceful watching united play day by day.
Horrible formation, horrible tactics, horrible lineup, horrible substitutions and a horrible performance. David Moyes plays with fear and the playing style shows it.
Stand by a defensive dinosaur at an attack minded club. I hope we're not the new Stoke.
Decisions made by Moyes are very baffling!
Moyes is a defense orientated manager at 1-0 we were shutting up shop which is completely negative. Right now we are an attacking team with attack minded players trying to play defensive, a saying square pegs and round holes springs to mind!
United are going backwards, today again we were bad, yet again! We are devoid of ideas, no one really looks happy!
Right now Moyes is the wrong man at the wrong time!
19 Oct 2013 16:54:44
All the players on the pitch played absolutly putrid football no exceptions. The coach made the wrong changes at the wrong time as usual. MOYES HAS TO GO!
DM can't go because he's not even here. He's a ghost of a manager. He's not United quality and we will play for giving h more than a year on his contract.
Agreed.
all the players were looking tired, and training method bust up is surfacing now.
# moyes out.
# giggs Out
19 Oct 2013 16:54:05
Gutted deserved to win, it will be difficult year boys. Welbeck sucks
We did not deserve to win for Christ sake. They created loads of chances and should have scored before the eventually did.
What match were u watching?
Deserved nothing, Southampton were better today.
We turned down Ozil and look at us?
No CL this year and no trophies.
What chances besides the cline shot. Everything was in front of us.
Giggs ahead of Anderson on the bench should tell us all where he is. Clean the deadbeats out in the offseason and get on with life.
The excuses you guys make are astonishing. Waiting to hear GDS and AJH excuses as well. We got what we deserve.
You start to think exactly as aid table team supporters. We had to beat them, as we should West brom, and any other team, at least at Old Trafford. But since we've no manager is understandable.
Make up a better excuse than we deserved. They deserved the 1 pt they got.
Not deserved to win my friend, its should have won.
Is there any way we fans can protest meaningfully to get giggs and moyes out?
We did hit the woodwork twice and Boruc made a good save from Januzaj. It could easily have been 3-0 before Southampton actually troubled De Gea.
That being said, the failings are obvious, and clearly if we wanted a defensive midfielder Wanayama would have been a better buy than Fellaini - and contrary to posts below he was indeed a player that was linked with a possible move to United for a year.
This team looks like mid-table all the way. By January it will be too late to salvage the season. The danger now is that the Glazers will kill our club like they have killed the Tampa Bay Bucs who are 0-5 this season after winning the Superbowl in 2003.
Bring out the Green and Gold.
19 Oct 2013 17:30:02
Shahram we've been trying to get rid of the deadbeats for two years with no success. What kind of state will we be in by the off season?
19 Oct 2013 16:48:04
Thank you David Moyes for your amazing job. We thank you a lot. The Choosen One WTF.
Moyes is clueless. At one point I sat and watched us hoof the ball from the back when we were under the slightest bit of pressure.
Anyone think we will make top four will, be sadly mistaken.
My worry is the total lack of cohesion in our tactics. He takes nani and puts Giggs on, when it was clear we were outnumbered in midfield. He takes Rooney off and puts smalling on? Why not Hernandez or kagawa?
Seriously, does anyone really think Moyes has a chance at this place?
Choosen one, my ar**.
he doesn't even deserve to be united's coahing staff.
i knew, we knew that transition would be difficult but this poor? same team which has won the league by 13 points last season?
when this happens, one must accept that something is completly wrong from the base.
How does taking Rooney/striker off and putting an extra defensive player with 5 minutes to go and leading make him a coward and bad manager.
You lot are talking some nonsense now and just vetting your frustration understandably given the result and looking for someone to blame.
God Created United.
Name any, I mean ANY top 10 team in Europe who would hire Moyes? None. It's simple. He's not a manager for a team like United. Full stop.
And please your excuses are poor as s***t.
Look at the score shahram, you've just answered your question. Best form of defence is to keep the ball and attack.
So how were smalling Giggs and welbeck going to do I that?
19 Oct 2013 16:36:25
Does anyone else think that wanyama is a better player than fellani and secondly I would like to see kags leave for his own good. Writing on the wall when a player who should be in a museum gets on b4 him. Sad to see but he has to leave and will. Thoughts {Ed007's Note - A lot of clubs will be disappointed that they didn't take a chance with Wanyama IMO, a move to Arsenal looked nailed on for months but they're stalling cost them. He will cost his next club a lot more than £12.5 million that's for sure.}
Fellaini is capable enough to even wash his cloths. 7 feet mug. good for nothing.
19 Oct 2013 16:21:35
Wanyama looks like he would have been a better investment than Fellaini, He has dispossessed a lot of players all over the pitch and has out muscled Fellaini every time the par have come up against each other.
19 Oct 2013 15:55:33
Joe Royle is a person and his commentary is so bad. Reckons southampton are unlucky not be leading and we were fortunate.
Aljazeera is the worst channel to watch United games on, bunch of nobodies who hate us and talk s. t.
We should score a second and kill this game. Rafael needs a talking to as getting caught out quite often and defending is all over the place.
Are you sure? We're just poor mate. Does not matter if you believe it or not. Even playing at home we'll struggle in every single game, Southend or any other team can dispute a game agains us. Its a shame.
Nick86
We conceded from a set piece and Cline had a shot that De Gea saved.
I agree no games will be easy this year and we will struggle to beat teams. Still think we should have won the game. I have seen us win games where we played a lot worse.
Good Southampton team and just one of those years where in the past we got 3 points but this year we are not able to see it out.
I am disappointed as everyone else but the positives was Jones and Evans looked good.
Remember I was one of the guys who got s. t for saying we are average first 11 and decent squad a long time ago.
Nothing we can do about it but support the team and wait and see how things progress. Call me crazy but I saw stuff today that makes me feel better about the team than previously.
19 Oct 2013 15:02:45
For those doubting Moyes and the current MU management, what a great day to announce Januzej signing - good bit of positivity around the ground after an international break.
Looking at the lineup, apart from Kags, who is clearly slipped behind Rooney and Januzej in the pecking order, that team looks excellent.
Now over to the players, they need to step forward and do the business. Come on united!
Playing 442 against Southampton is a good team?
They've already had two chances and we're being overrun in midfield.
It doesn't matter what two midfielders you have, they will always be overrun if outnumbered in midfield.
Fellaini has been average. If were going to be overrun in midfield any ways, why not play Kagawa alongside Carrick at least he offers something going forward.
Nomid
They have not created much with the exception of the rooney mistake. Have some faith. We seem to be finally having some bite down the left side with Janusaj.
They are running themselves into the ground and we should have them on the ropes in the last 20 minutes.
That is laughable shahram, we were being overrun in midfield throughout. Southampton created a load of chances.
Then our manager decides to put Giggs, welbeck and smalling on, to shut the game, and we got exactly what we deserved.
If u think otherwise, then u must be watching a different match.
One positive is januzaj.
19 Oct 2013 14:59:12
Delighted januzaj is starting, but midfield of carrick and fellaini and central defence of Evans and Jones are the two main weaknesses. I would have left nani out and put kagawa on.
19 Oct 2013 14:58:25
It's interesting to listen to what some of the younger players say in term of positive influence in the dressing room and training and learning, Evra is mentioned quite often. Whilst he is not what he used to be on the pitch he does contribute in other areas off the pitch which is hard to measure and put a value on.
Even the french national team players when they were struggling a few weeks ago said stuff along the same lines.
Thoughts?
A job on the coaching staff would seem the obvious answer. But only when we have signed a quality, long term replacement at left back.
19 Oct 2013 14:32:53
A very attacking line-up today. Zaha on bench. I fancy him to get 20 minutes today. We will see Januzaj, Rooney, Nani & RvP as the front four. Something I am looking forward to see. Southampton will be tough today, hopefully our defence and midfield can cope with their high pressing. If we can do and we can be clinical in attack, then we should be okay.
Yeah good one
19 Oct 2013 14:20:02
Just thought I would get this is now, rather than being accused of "match of the day fever" later. Keep your eyes on Morgan Schneiderlin today. I know others have mentioned him before, but he is an excellent example of a young player who is already very good, but has the potential to be great. He is only 23, and looks a very good player already. There is this belief that we need to go out and spend £30m, £40m or £50m on players, but there are some very good young players around that are already good enough to improve our midfield, and who wouldn't cost the earth. We tend to overlook players who play in our own domestic leagues, and would rather rave over young players from abroad. But players like Schneiderlin are already here, and have EPL experience, which is a head start in itself. I think he would be a very good addition to our squad.
He'll probably have a stinker today now! lol
19 Oct 2013 14:14:08
Interesting selection today with Jones and Evans at CB. Looking forward to seeing Jones at CB which is where we need to play him. No Kagawa again but RVP is fit so we have goals in us
Too open against a very good and energetic Southampton side. I think this could be another cockup in tactics.
19 Oct 2013 13:38:19
Apparently Galatasaray are interested in Nani and want a swap deal for some play maker by the name of Sneyder, never heard of him though.
Neither do I. His him from Mars? Sneyder, uh, I wonder.
There's a player called Sneijder maybe it him.
19 Oct 2013 12:16:07
Great news about Januzaj! News that should give everyone a bit of a "lift". Perhaps then we can see a bit more positivity towards te team. We all know we have started poorly, and we do need 2 or 3 quality additions to improve our starting XI. But we are not in such bad shape that many seem to think.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Some are still wearing their rose tinteds, other are so negative they must be near suicidal. But, in my opinion at least, we still have a good squad of players. But confidence has been low, and it has shown. let's hope we can put a run of results, and good performances together, starting today. Confidence comes with winning games. Get a few wins under our belt, and we will soon see the real United, and maybe even shut a few of those gloating rival fans up. Remember, form is temporary, but class is permanent.
Great news indeed.
I hope the lad starts today. His confidence will be sky high.
The players are not in question they won the league easily last year It is that clueless clown in charge that worries most of us
Fantastic news indeed. This boy is special, and he has a good head on his shoulders.
19 Oct 2013 11:54:09
Great news!
Januzaj has signed a five year contract with United. The equalizer does his first decent bit if business! Now let's build on that in the January transfer window
19 Oct 2013 11:30:22
congratulations to all of us united supporters as janujaz has signed a new 5 year deal. it has spared us from seeing another young lad leaving.
wishing good luck to adnan
19 Oct 2013 10:35:30
Adnan Januzaj has signed a 5 year contract
Best news I heard in few months.
Great news, a couple additional of strong signings and we will be sorted
Great news, at least we have put one issue to bed and can focus on other stuff. Hope we manage him well and not put too much on his shoulder.
Top news. He'll definitely start today.
Great news, let's hope the team can get
a lift from this and kick on.
It is the only good news in months.
Januzaj breaking through and signing new deal is massive and we have some other young talent that I am shore will make the grade Wilson in particular looks a real prospect maybe just as promising as Adnan so who needs a billionaire sugar daddy lol
He is a player who I have spoken about regularly for a while now. Another one was Pogba who sadly left us. But the pair are special players and I can say without doubt that Pearson and Wilson are another two to watch. I also do not believe Daehli is completely out of the question either. Another to look at is Perreira. These are four more players who I am looking forward to watching progress. Cannot wait to watch Januzaj today. Imagine how well a happy and settled Adnan could play.
Just woke up with a horrible hangover but this news has cheered me up and put me in a great mood for the match today and topping up my alcohol level afterwards :)
19 Oct 2013 09:49:53
Am I the only one who is baffled by the fact that spurs were able to get Eriksen and Capoue for less then what we paid for Fellaini? Awesome business! An creative attacking player and strong defensive mid is exactly what we needed.
Not the only one. our entire summer dealings were baffling. What is worrying is we have spent 45 million if you count zaha, but not been able to make it count as it is pretty much the same style of play and same issues.
Would rather haver Januzaj than Erikson so not bothered what spurs did this summer we have the new jewel of the prem and every body should start to worry when a talent like this comes from our academy
Katef
Januzaj and Erickson play completely different positions and don't compete for the same area on the pitch mate.
19 Oct 2013 08:40:11
If RVP is injured today I would love to see moyes play a front line of januzaj, kagawa and nani behind rooney, plenty of movement and creativity in there should be enough to unlock a stubborn defence, if they all hit top form it could be a joy to watch.
Agree with that.
I think we'll see Chicharito starting if RVP is not playing today. Even though I would like to kagawa and Rooney together.
I agree with that. Rooney often looks so frustrated at the lack of quality service that he gets. It is so ironic that the very player that could give him that service, Kagawa, cannot get into the team. I still do not get this theory that Rooney and Kagawa cannot play in the same team. At least give Kagawa a few games to stake a claim on a place, rather than the odd 45 minutes. God knows there are plenty of others who have been given the opportunity, and who are far less talented than him.
I'd love to see that. I've said before I think Kagawa and Januzaj would play really well together, along with Rooney and Nani and you've got a very dynamic, creative attack. Let's hope Moyes doesn't play both Young and Valencia otherwise i'll be asleep after 5 minutes.
19 Oct 2013 08:03:24
hello, first time poster long time reader, ex ST holder and avid watcher of youth football, first visit to OT was '79 so I go back, anyway hoping for a win today at what should be a tough game, come on the reds.
Welcome mate :-)
Cheers man, great news about januzaj, I see him as a kaka type in the future, lovely player.
He is summit special mate that's for sure
19 Oct 2013 05:34:48
Hello ed. one small question. Can you please provide the latest update on fletcher and when and if he can return playing.
Earlier it was reported that he is doing good and will return around end of october. so here we are at rhe end. How is his progress. {Ed002's Note - I really don't know. Sorry. I was in Manchester this week and nothing was mentioned about him.}
How many days do you think are in October rodio?
GDS don't be some word manipulating a@@, or people like u constantly come here to do this things only?
i certainly don't have to ask this question on 31st oct. we are about to enter the last week of the month so can be said as end of month approching.
have I asked something wrong ed?pls reply. {Ed002's Note - No you have not asked anything wrong. I would have enquired this week when I was there if I had thought about it.}
The question was fine, but you said here we are at the end of October in your OP, but there is still almost 2 weeks left so was just having a bit of banter.
Hope fletcher can get back but I think it's unlikely he will ever be good enough again for us. {Ed002's Note - Stop whining please. It is like dealing with 7 year old girls this morning.}
19 Oct 2013 05:25:31
I have bn told that last week during international break united have again approched bilbao for herrera with similar offers like summer, which has really iritated their club president. He has said clearlly that there is no chance he will let herrera go for less that buy out clause.
United has interest in the guy as we all know but they feel that they have offered best possible value for the player. More than than is ransom( like they habe forget what happened with fellaini)
United are still in hope to agree a fee quickly so that his complex contract situation can be sorted in time.
Koke's name can be a smoke screen to say bilbao that best players are still gettable around 20m mark. or may be united want koke in priority now, is not clear.
They both are different players.
Their quality can complimemt each other in the same team.
I will prefer 40m spent on those 2. And along with fellaini and cleverly, powell and some promising academy lads we are sorted for a long long time.
I have another shout. if herrera doesn't come cheap, ramy cabella is also an excellent player for around 12m. and he can also partner koke and fellaini and carrik well.
So it can say 30m in koke and cabella very well spent.
{Ed002's Note - Actually I am confident that (a) there has been no offer made for Herrera this week, and (b) there are no smokescreens.}
Rodio are you making things up mate :)
I hear we are working on Vidic's new deal according to a ex-united player but the nothing on the stuff you have posted.
I also met a guy at a restaurant opening, who claims he put the original Man City deal together for the guys up the road. Had quite a few interesting things to say including that Rooney's camp in the summer was soliciting and pushing for bids from a few clubs including City.