Manchester United Banter Archive December 01 2012

 

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01 Dec 2012 22:59:25
Did anyone see the U18's today?? I see we won 4-2 with Wilson & Daehli both getting 2 and Januzai getting 3 assists....

Just wondered how well we played and these 3 in particular.....?

Oxred

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Yeah. They are both super players. Hopefully they can continue their excellent development and get into the first team.
NoMidfield

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Hi Oxred
The u18's played very well and all the lads you mentioned look quality.Wilson is a born goalscorer and Dahli and Januzai are very skillfull and talented.Januzai ran the show.Unfortunately MUTV lost the pictures with about 15 minutes left but the whole team are playing very well and scoring goals

Bazza The Red

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Thanks Bazza.....

it sounded like they played well.

Oxred

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01 Dec 2012 22:49:41
Having watched Match of the Day it appears the fan who caught the ball after Smalling's shot towards the end is better at catching than Lindegaard.

SK

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01 Dec 2012 22:49:14
I don't do the what Gill or Fergie says every time is gospel,I'm now waiting for when there biggest question comes&its gona come soon,Ronaldo will be soon be up for a move&Utd will have no choice but to be into bring him home so Gills money not a problem then will have to prove it!

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01 Dec 2012 22:38:45
eds please wack this up, it may make the fickle fans chill out a bit and realise that the players are human, this isnt fifa or football manager.
anyways, just a quick one, we arent playing great, im sure everyone knows that yet we are top of the league, 3 points clear tonight. so just imagine when we do start turning it on. i know us United fans have very high standards and it can be infuriating, but least its not dull supporting our special team.
peace and love

Elvis x

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Maybe this is the best we can play...

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02 Dec 2012 01:00:09
And when the hell is that gna be eh? I can imagine us in may sayin, 'we arent playing well yet but just wait till they do' they shud play well for a full season or what are they being payed for? ino they are human but come on, its december and they have played well about 3 times ffs.

I AM BOOT

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The problem is not that the players are underperforming, it's the lack of continuity.
What is our strongest first 11? Who are our first choice centre backs? Why are Fletcher and Carrick on the same team?

Mick

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01 Dec 2012 22:06:29
the keeper was shocking the whole game tonight,its time to stick with de gea i am a huge fan of his and i believe he will be our no.1 for years to come.also rvp off and wellbeck on are you having a laugh

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01 Dec 2012 21:50:05
Hopefully we can get Valencia back for next week. Rooney was decent enough, but kept drifting inside too often, and because Rafa was (unluckily) taken off, we only had options down the left. If Toni is back I'd like to see a similar formation with Rooney playing Anderson's role and maybe Cleverley or Jones coming in for Fletcher. Also, get DDG back in those nets, Lindegaard just doesn't cut it for me!

MattL

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01 Dec 2012 21:10:32
Am I the only one here who doesn't want Ferguson to sign Lewondowski? With quality strikers like Rooney, RVP, Hernandez and Welbeck we don't really need him.

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Keane and henriquez, lewandowski just not needed

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Welbeck/Rooney out and Lewandowski in, thats what I think will happen next summer.

-JakeW

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01 Dec 2012 19:53:25
One game does not define a players ability. But, Jono, do you honestly think that Lindegaard is better in every area of his game, aside from shot stopping, than De Gea. His performance today was appalling. He doesn't have the reflexes, agility and most importantly decision making to be a top class keeper. He is a reserve keeper, and no more. De Gea is young and adjusting to a more physical league. But he is still miles above Lindegaard in terms of talent. Tell me what Lindegaard does better than De Gea aside from coming for crosses (because he's older, stronger and used to playing in a physical league), and talking to the defence (perhaps because he's fluent in English?). I can understand people questioning De Gea's ability to become a truly world class keeper, but to suggest that Lindegaard is a better alternative is frankly daft.

Aside from that. While most of us thought that there was a chance Jones might be played as a DM, who knew that Fergie had him earmarked for the number 10 role. It shows how little faith the manger has in Cleverly, when he would rather play a centre back as the attacking mid than bring him on.

Danny Pughnited

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It will be interesting to see if ddg plays against city
On clevs it does appear he is a bit down the pecking order
Jred

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I expect Clevs against Citeh, Jones needed a run out, and SAF was worried about set pieces.

DodgyBanter

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Danny

I have not seen the game mate as I was on duty but from the comments it seems as though the back 5 had a bad day at the office.

If however it was full of comment about 'Linders costing all the goals' then yes there would be a case for DDG v city but IMO it should still be Linders.

I will wait till I watch a replay of the game on mutv tomo mate before I comment on the performance.

On the ability yes I think only shot stopping and distribution is DDG plus points. The language point should not be an issue as he must have been learning English for 17months and if he doesn't have a grasp of the basics yet to shout and organise the defence he never will. But that brings my whole argument about him to the fore it's down to his personality.

My biggest gripes with him are his ability in the air and one on ones. In the air you need bravery, conviction and confidence that the ball is yours. DDG has none of these in abundance. We have went from being confident VDS would catch if not deal with almost every cross in the box to celebrating when DDG punches a couple of crosses in a game. Punches are about as controlled as using your legs to save a powerful low shot. I can't stand them and think they should only ever be used as a last resort if even then.

The one on ones DDG likes to come out and stop then hoping that the shot will be within his reach I on the other hand prefer a keeper that will rush right out and get the ball clattering through players if need be (think Big Pete v Ian Wright). The lack of mental toughness in DDG is clear as the come, stop technique reeks of cowardice that he doesn't want the hit. He would rather someone shot at him than rush out and get physical. I want a keeper that imposes themselves on the opposition to the point where a striker has a run on goal he looks up and sees our keeper and thinks 'Christ he is coming out!'. With our defence one on ones could be key against city and going by the 6-1 where DDG conceded a couple of one on ones to easily placed shots past him we can't let that happen again as Aguero and Tevez are to good to let them place shots.

Do I think Linders is a top level Utd no1? No but I was championing the signing of Adler instead of DDG and I still think we would be in a far better position if we had got him.

But if given the choice of who to pick for city I would be SAF level of stubborn and stick with Linders.

Jono

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Jono, Lindegard today made DDG look good coming out for crosses. If we had put a stick between the posts, the match would have probably have had the same scoreline. This is probably the worst performance i've seen from a united goalkeeper in years.

Mick

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01 Dec 2012 19:46:09
Just aswell we have a 3 point lead going into next weeks derby because we are going to concede goals against city and im not sure our strikers can bail us out. Another weak performance. Fergie needs to go end of!

Tacticallyinept

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Just heard Ferguson on mutv and not once did he say he might have made another mistake by playing Rio carrick and fletcher as the spine of our team. Surely that has to be the strongest area but we put three slow and unenergetic players in these pisitions! Defies belief.
Disaster with Anderson getting injury. So expect fletcher carrick Giggs Scholesy and Rio to play against city. God help us!
NoMidfield

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That's right, SAF should go, top of the league by 3 points, top of Champs league group...

THIS ISN'T CHELSKI!! Get real, if we beat Citeh next week we'll be dominating the league before we've even kicked into gear. Without our captain. Lots of spoit people on here.

DodgyBanter

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I thought Carrick played well today and Rio was ok better than. Evans
Jred

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Carrick was mom

nikz

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01 Dec 2012 19:41:39
Even though we had a crazy match, that rooney - rvp combination for rvp's goal was awesome. when vidic is back, i believe it will steady the ship and with kagawa in the pocket behind roo and rvp, we could be in for a treat
Raone

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01 Dec 2012 19:31:55
Are you guys serious?

Everyone complained when Fergie didn't have a number one at the start of the season. now you're saying to switch back to De Gea just because he's fit again?

Goalkeeper is the worst position to tinker with, if your keeper does nothing wrong, there is no need to change him.

That said, Lindegaard was poor today, but would De Gea have done better, if at all?

Also, De Gea will pobably play against City now.

Also, expect the press to blow up Rafaels reaction to what was great management by Fergie.

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No name, De Gea was playing perfectly well before his wisdom teeth trouble so he wasnt dropped because he played badly so he should have gone straight back in as Schmeichel/Van Der Sar would have done as i said yesterday. Lindegaard is not good enough to be uniteds number 1 and anyone who says otherwise has no idea when it comes to goalkeeping in my opinion.

Brenda

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DDG should go back in IMO. He's better and and will improve with experience. He needs to play midweek so he's ready for the big one next weekend

Gav

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01 Dec 2012 19:29:40
Poor defensively. Why didn't we kill the game off. It was as if we decided we had an excuse if we didn't win with the disallowed goal. Why was jones playing cam when rooneys rm. lindergaard is so shaky apparently he's better at crosses then de gea but to me he's poor at crosses and poor shot stopper. Wellbeck for van Persie was the most pountless sub if he's gona change up front put Hernandez on. Moan over Rooney was on form today and Anderson continues to impress, all though everyone says evra isn't good any more he's still one of best players going forward and he's also been decent defensively last few weeks.

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01 Dec 2012 19:26:27
who the hell is our attacking coach? needs sacking who ever it is.

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Our attacking coach has given us 50 goals this season so he's doing his job.

Caolán.

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Our centre midfield needs energy, our defence needs work. We could have scored 8 goals yesterday on another day, but for RVP's off day finishing. I suppose you're gonna I say he's rubbish now?

DodgyBanter

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01 Dec 2012 19:05:54
Sydney, you defended fergie yesterday with regards to keeping lindegaard in goal and not naming De gea as number 1. Surely now you have to accept that lindegaard is no more than a back up keeper at united. De gea must be back in next game and left there. Look what happened after xmas last season, De gea was outstanding and without him at that time city would have walked it. De gea is an outstanding keeper and well on his way to being the best in the world in the future so lets back him and we'll be ok for the next 15+ years in that position.

Brendan

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You can't say that after just one bad game, name another bad performance by Lindegaard? I'm not defending him in anyway, he was awful today! But De Gea has been awful before too. If he has another bad game, you'll just be chanting for Lindegaard to be number 1.

Brendan for manager!

Andy S

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Andy S the post was yesterday before todays game and has nothing to do with this game. He isnt a man united number 1 but he is a very good back up keeper. Anyone who knows goalkeeping can see De Gea is far superior to Lindegaard. Even the best keeper ever has backed De Gea.

Brendan

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Taibi?

DodgyBanter

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01 Dec 2012 18:58:52
Superb team selection again. When is Ferguson going to realize that he cannot play any of Rio carrick fletcher Giggs and Scholesy together. U can play one of them with younger players but u can't play three of them together..
The team are defending badly as a team. This is due to Ferguson's inept tactics.
NoMidfield

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Funny that 2 of the three goals came from Evans losing his man though isn't it.

Hoppy

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Hoppy, some of the blame should be on Lindegard. He should come off his line and claim the ball and he never did that, he basiacly put evans under a lot of pressure

Mick

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What did rio or carrick do wrong
I thought carrick played well
Jred

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Mick, I know Evans can't be blamed entirely but watch the second goal he didn't look at the races. Lindegaard had a bit of a shocker today though!

Hoppy

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I agree Evans had a real stinker this match. Him, Lindegard, Rafael and to a lesser extent Ferdinand were all over the place.

Mick

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01 Dec 2012 18:58:41
I have to say Robin Van Persie should of had a hat trick by now.. The goal that wasnt given and the sitter he should of buried.

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01 Dec 2012 19:35:54
that one he took off the keeper and missed! frankly i couldnt believe it was from rvp.
RD27

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01 Dec 2012 18:47:11
Lindegaard, Fletcher, Young, Rooney and surprisingly Rafael have all play terrible in the first half, even if Rooney scored 2 goals he has made so many stupid decisions.

And why oh why does Fergie always feel the need to make pointless squad rotations? Smalling benched but Ferdinand plays? Hernandez benched but Young plays?

Pathetic.

Also very worrying for Anderson, I hope it's not serious.

-JakeW

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Agree JakeW, except for Smalling/Ferdinand.

There's still a lot of games to be played this season, and Smalling will get a lot more games yet. He's only recently back from a serious injury, and Fergie obviously wants to bed him in gently, so he'll be there at the sharp end of the season.

We all have our favourite players mate, but unfortunately they can't play every game no matter how much we'd like them to, and that's we have a squad.

StevieK

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We make squad rotations so we don't burn out like chelsea has recently. It's essential in a long season.

Red Joe

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You missed out Evra there. He was truly Shocking! Couldn't believe he could play any worse. Smalling should have partnered Evans today, Ferdinand seemed confused. Fletcher is just not ready as much as would like him to be. De Gae should be starting ahead of lindegaard. He did not collect a single ball today and was really pathetic. Let's just hope Ando can shake off the back problem and be ready for the derby.
I hope looking at this performance Fergie does not decide to play giggs or scholes against city.

kdevil10

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Evans was at fault for all 3 goals

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Red Joe and StevieK, I know the squad rotations need to be made, and it's good that we do this to keep everyone fit.

But the GK position shouldn't be messed with, De Gea has done nothing wrong to be taken out. And I can see what you mean by the Smalling/Ferdinand situation, I forgot about Smalling being back from injury not long ago.

-JakeW

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01 Dec 2012 18:46:04
StevieK,

Im not blaming fergie for what he did, its just i have a bad feeling that this will be like the de gea incident,, and we wont see our best player for a while

James

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I think James, Fergie will appreciate it was just a bad day at the office for Rafael, and he'll be back soon enough, whereas for all his great saves, De Gea still hadn't totally convinced prior to Lindegaard's run of games.

Though if I was Rafael, I'd cut the pouting and posturing out - not the best way to win Fergie round.

StevieK

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01 Dec 2012 18:35:10
Gutted for ando. Started to look really impressive, but thats what normally happens to him :(

James

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01 Dec 2012 18:30:05
I think half of the team are still on the bus... Rafael, Ferdinand, Evans, Lindegaard, Fletcher all rubbish. For once Young has been pretty useful.

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01 Dec 2012 18:28:47
One of my criticisms of De Gea, as an ex-keeper, was his inability to command his area at set pieces, and bully his defenders.

I thought Lindegaard had the advantage in that area, but now I'm really not so sure. Far too unimposing up to now.

Young Rafael, sorry son, you were awful today. But it happens to the best of them at some point - take it on the chin and stop sitting there huffing like a stroppy teenager. You've been one of our best up to this point, don't forget that.

And please don't blame Fergie for taking him off - we'd have been playing with 10 men soon enough, the way their winger was treating him. Fergie gets blamed regularly on this site for not being proactive enough - kudos to him this time.

Hopefully Smalling and Jones on will give us a bit of solidity, and glad to see Jones has got rid of those bloody stupid blond highlights in his hair!

StevieK

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Taking Rafael off was the right thing to do. he was having a bad day and was one foul away from a red card. We also needed a bit more presence in the box to help out defensivly, so it's 2 for one.

And De Gea should be back asap.

Mick

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01 Dec 2012 18:24:58
Madame Tussaud's are dating a waxwork of Linderggard. Rather than spending months creating one, they are going to use the real thing as it rarely moves....

AJH

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He looked like a little scared kid playing with the big boys, just hiding behind Evra.

This proves why he is not a first choice goalkeeper, and probably never will be for a big team

Mick

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01 Dec 2012 18:24:58
Fergie drops de gea and plays lindegaard to deal with the physical presence of reading.

LOL.
TRUMORS

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It's Ferguson who should be dropped. And soon.
NoMidfield

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NoMidfield, you are saying we should sack Fergie half way through our season? The man who has served this clubs for years, and revolutionized us.

Your just a spoiled little fan who gets upset when we play bad, support United through thick and thin.

Your name says it all.

-JakeW

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01 Dec 2012 18:22:29
pisspoor defending, modest attacking, a player being taken off unhappy, a crappy keeper, and an injured anderson, to add to all that a legitimate goal disallowed. Positive is that rooney is back among the goals.
RD27

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01 Dec 2012 18:22:08
Anderson should not be badly injured this time.
I'm really sick of seeing it.
It's the same every season.
He looks good nd then gets injured.

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01 Dec 2012 18:22:08
Concede 3 in a half to Reading with Evans, Rio and Evra being given the run around and What does Fergie do? Take off our best defender this season and most potent attacking threat from out wide. Forget the likes of Lewandowski, Gotze, Isco etc., our most important signing next summer has to be a new manager.

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Rafael was booked and struggling. Taking him off was the sensible thing to do, so that he doesn't get banned.

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Would you rather we'd played the 2nd half with 10 men? Rafael was getting more and more frustrated, and would have walked sooner rather than later.

Comments like this, highlight why Fergie is manager of the real Man Utd, and you are restricted to managing them on Football Manager.


StevieK

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You are clueless.

G.A.G.U.S

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01 Dec 2012 18:22:08
Disappointed with Rafael today, not his performance.. everybody has a bad day, but his reaction to being subbed.

Anderson also out, terrible.. need him for City, or we'll stick with 'experience'

RVP goal disallowed, but I reckon we'll clean sail from here on

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01 Dec 2012 18:20:56
Just a question, any answers?
Why does the 'this is how it feels to be city..' song be chanted every game? And by who? Why would reading fans chant it?

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This is how it feels to be City, this is how it feels to be small, this is how it feels to win absolutely nothing at all.

The United fans are taking the piss out of city with their own chant.

-JakeW

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I think you'll find it is this is how it feels to be city this is how it feels to be small this is it how it feels when your passports back in the draw sung quite a while ago but is back to complement city's amazing champions league performances.
Blackpool RED

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01 Dec 2012 18:20:21
People seem to think we have all the decisions clearly not... The linesman really should of woken up by now it is past 6pm hes still asleep the fool.

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01 Dec 2012 18:17:31
United always get the decisions, they said...

United are cheats, they said...

MPez

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01 Dec 2012 18:15:20
Anderson out injured...

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01 Dec 2012 18:13:08
What a shocking decision from the linesman... Clear goal.

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01 Dec 2012 18:08:26
The manager is really making a bad decision by continuing to start Lindergard. He's a number 2 keeper nothing more. What you see from him now is what he will be like in a couple of years. DDG is better now and in time will be a top 3 keeper in the world.

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Will be No.1 goalkeeper in the world IMO.

Red Joe

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DDG that is.

Red Joe

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01 Dec 2012 18:03:41
OOOOOOOO great now our best player so far this season will probs not be seen for f***king ages now.

Its was mostly down to evans not marking properly!

James {Ed004's Note - He has been awful today no excuses for him}

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To be fair to rafa nobody is helping him down the right.. evans is having a stinker..

in the second half we need to come out all gunas blazing and get a goal difference of 3/4.

JK92

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Raf wasn't playing well and we needed to get smalling on the pitch to deal with the high balls
Jred

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01 Dec 2012 18:03:08
rafael doesnt look too pleased with that.
Raone

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I don't blame him mate nobdy is helping him and he gets booked early and looks like getting book again so had to come off. unfortunate for him but right call.

JK92

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Rafa was getting torn apart and was on a yellow card with the City game coming up and he would of most likely ended up sent off. The thing I do not get is what has Smalling done to be taken out for Ferdinand.

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01 Dec 2012 18:00:31
Sometimes you have to applaud the comedy genius that is todays back four, not since Monty python has there been such creative tomfoolery. Fergie take your head out of your arse, couple of cms and 3 defenders please rather than another 2 wingers and a forward.
3-3 at reading 30 mins gone, you just couldn't make it up!

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Every one going on how bad we r were top of league vidic on way back go and watch arsenal if the think were that bad

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01 Dec 2012 17:59:27
Well atleast he has a reason to drop lindegaard now

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01 Dec 2012 17:58:04
WTF is wrong with Lindegaard?!?

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01 Dec 2012 17:57:14
What a load of rubbish.

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01 Dec 2012 17:56:40
now can anyone explain in what way is lindegaard better than de gea in corners ans crosses?
RD27

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01 Dec 2012 17:55:47
We have only kept one clean sheet in the league.....we have conceded 3 goals in 25 minutes against reading...........also lindergaard keeps starting in for De Gea.......anyone else detecting a link?
Nov00

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01 Dec 2012 17:51:17
Good defending lads ! We are solid at the back... Ha next joke.

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01 Dec 2012 17:47:39
Exciting game so far

19-20 MUFC

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19--20 MUFC

Is that your score prediction?

Red Man

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(From a neutral point of view)

19-20 MUFC

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Lol

19-20 MUFC

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01 Dec 2012 17:44:44
That was brilliant from Anderson. Totally deseverd the goal, well played!

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01 Dec 2012 17:40:13
watching united play is like watching (quote from dodgeball about door knobs)

we are so poor in possession, half our line up wouldn't make it into chelsea or man citys team.

1-0 down n look sh1t as usual..

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01 Dec 2012 17:36:48
liverpool keep seeming to do this amazing trick where they take a decent player, and do a benitez with him(make him carp)! Henderson, downing, borini, allen, doni & oussaidi(believe it or not, he was good at his old club!).
Campian

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What has that got to do with us mate?

JK92

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01 Dec 2012 17:34:10
Evra, Evans and rafa covered for a goal in 90!

Defence on top hopefully haha.

2-0 utd I think.

Jono

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Quality! Had Ando anytime aswell, 11-2 cheeky tenner on it!

Jono

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Lol Jono, slightly ambitious!

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01 Dec 2012 17:31:31
keep up the good work rafa!
Shame that smalling and cleverly dropped and not sure what formation they gonna play but still looks pretty positive
3 points clear before going to city would be nice!

Will Red!

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01 Dec 2012 17:26:46
Didnt lindergard make a mistake last week for qpr's goal?

James

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01 Dec 2012 17:15:18
Fergie why Oh why do you continually underestimate our opposition with your line ups great that city dropped points but i think we will waste it again we will struggle again with this midfield

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01 Dec 2012 16:55:40
Oh my days ! Rio Ferdinand and Ashley Young are back in the side... Well Fergie what have they done to get back in the side? Or what have the two players replaced done wrong to be taken out of the side?

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01 Dec 2012 16:44:08
Its getting to the point where i want lindergard to make a mistake.

Ste-Utd

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Poor show that man!

Pardoe

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I mean i want fergy to have a reason to play de gea

Ste-Utd

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Well you sure got your wish

Mick

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01 Dec 2012 16:42:10
de gea on the bench again.

NO EXCUSES! WHATS GOING ON?!

TRUMORS {Ed004's Note - It would be unfair to drop Lindengaard if he is playing well... Also gutted not to see Smalling today tbh}

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SAF has said he can't drop Linders due to playing well

Pardoe

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01 Dec 2012 13:49:25
Ferguson said: "Anders has done well. It's one of those situation where there is no actual reason to leave Anders out in terms of form.

"Hopefully David understands that at the moment. But there is no long-term issue.

"I really think that creates consistency. That's why I've kept Anders in on Wednesday night (against West Ham). I could easily have changed it again but Anders has done nothing wrong.

"They're both good goalkeepers. I'm going along with Anders at the moment because he is not letting me down."
Jred

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01 Dec 2012 16:40:59
Manchester United XI v Reading: Lindegaard, Rafael,
Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson,
Young, Rooney, van Persie.
Anyone else feeling that its a bit too defensive?
RD27 {Ed004's Note - I don't think so...}

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Young will play in the hole today
Q

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Undecided as yet but I'm hoping this lineup gives us plenty of possession ans we nick the odd goal here and there via Rooney/RVP

Gav

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01 Dec 2012 16:39:10
United team to face Reading:

Lindegaard, Rafael, Ferdinand, Evans, Evra, Carrick, Fletcher, Anderson, Young, Rooney, Van Persie.

Thank god everyone! He didn't play Scholes or Giggs, and maybe he's realising how amazing Anderson is.

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01 Dec 2012 16:38:08
Man United starting XI: Lindegaard, Rafael, Evra (c), Evans, Ferdinand; Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher, Young; Rooney, Van Persie

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01 Dec 2012 16:17:25
Once again Sandro is making it glaringly obvious he is what we miss at United. Our midfield would be immense for around £30 million with Lars Bender and Sandro.

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01 Dec 2012 15:35:33
I know there is a lot of chat about who would people buy if Rooney was sold and everyone goes for Ozil, Goetze, Rodriguez etc.. Well I have to say I would like a front 4 of Rodriguez.Felliani,Kagawa and RVP. {Ed004's Note - No chance. I don't see the point in having quicker players in Kagawa and Rodriguez and then sticking someone as slow as Fellaini there. He is at the perfect club right now that plays to his strengths which we would not.}

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01 Dec 2012 15:07:57
I reckon a decent formation that could work when all players are not injured is 4 - 5 - 1. This would enable Kagawa and Rooney to both play in a Cam/Cf type position and could strengthen our midfield.

DDG
Rafael. Smalling. Vidic. Evra
Jones
Valencia. Young
Rooney. Kagawa
RVP

With this side you could swap Jones for Carrick or a holding mid in January and swap Kagawa or Rooney for Anderson and Cleverly when needed.

Also this formation could suit Hernandes as the two CAM/CF can hold up the ball and allow Chica to run behind the defence. this formation also allows us to have a midfield 3 and 2 wingers.

AvidDevil

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I like that formation and team
Jred

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Way too open, basically Jones on his own in midfield.

DodgyBanter

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01 Dec 2012 15:04:21
I have a serious question for users on this site to think about before the united game today. I know this has been a big topic here before but that was mainly when he was injured but we have all seen the impact the man has had in recent weeks so that may have changed peoples opinions. So my question is...
Would you sell Rooney if the money was to reinvested into the squad to sign a replacement along with the usual 50-60 million (maybe more with increased revenues and possibly new manager)?
And secondly...
How much do people reckon you would get for Rooney. He isn't getting any younger and there are very few clubs I could see him going to?

Now personally I am not sure what I would do. As much as I love Rooney at times he isn't getting any younger. He seems to have lost his pace recently unfortunately so I would seriously consider cashing in on him now. Personally I think a quick front 4 is the way forward. Look how good Dortmund are doing this term and I would love to somehow obtain an attack of
Rodriguez____Kagawa_____Gotze/Isco
______________RVP
Along with the money available from sales such as Nani I say we would be able to afford a centre back, left back and one midfielder. Obviously I would love to see Hummels, Baines and Bender and I think we'd have a complete team. So 5 changes in two windows and hopefully Anderson, Cleverley or Powell can step up their game to take that second midfield spot in a 4231 as it would say the team having to sign another midfielder. Though someone like Wanyama would sure up the defence a whole lot more...
The Red Manc

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I honestly think we would be better without Rooney as much as it pains me to say it. We could offload him for around £50 million and add the sale of Nani, Evra and Vidic plus what funds we already have available that is a whole bunch of cash... I would sign Leighton Baines, Lars Bender, James Rodriguez, Papodopoulus and Ozil.... Some would say 5 is a bit too much but didnt we sign 4 last summer and we will need to get merchandise and shirt sales back up after Rooney leaving and big money signigns are needed for that. {Ed004's Note - I am not sure I would sell Vidic unless we were to replace him with a world class centre back tbh. If I sold Vidic it would be because we signed Hummels though I agree with most of what you said. I think Ozil would be a top signing. We would also have room in the squad due to players retiring at the end of the year.}

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It would seem everyone thinks sell rooneybfor 50 add an other 50 and buy x y z.
Now that might happen but can people see how it all sound a bit like football manager or FIFA
Jred

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It is not a matter of 50 + 50 Jred. Selling Rooney would mean a huge loss in sales etc so they would need to replace him with a top signing. We also guess at what funds we have available.

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I just don't think it works quite as simply as some people think.
Jred

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Jred as much thinking as you think youve put in to it you do not have the slightest clue either so do not object against other peoples ideas... It is purely hypothetical on this site.

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01 Dec 2012 14:42:15
Ed with all these rumours saying we are interested in Conor Hunte from Chelsea is there any word on Loftus-Cheeke? Would love L-C in our youth team gonna be a top player and I know Barca and ourselves are interested. What do you think are our chances?

Dan {Ed002's Note - As far as I am aware Manchester United has not shown any interest in Loftus-Cheek.}

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01 Dec 2012 14:35:45
We pulled out of a deal for Diame if reports are correct because he has a heart problem.... Was it worth the gamble he is class for a free agent and so powerful. {Ed004's Note - He was very good today.}

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Had a very good game today
Jred

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I just think the gamble was worth it... He could of been very effective in our midfield that powerful player that can burst from box2box.

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01 Dec 2012 14:33:52
I see the portly spanish waiter still has all his talent to make a good team sh1te

Pardoe

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It was awful from him to take Moses off he was having the most success... The biggest question is when is Abramovich going to give up on Torres.

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02 Dec 2012 16:19:53
di matteo is 1000 times a manager than benitez.
he was rubbish inter, nearly destroyed them. he killed liverpool by signing very awful players like aquilani jovanovic in his last season. He was lucky at pool as he had xabi gerrard torres reina.. they were real quality then.

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01 Dec 2012 14:18:18
Anyone know a good stream for the match tonight ?

Cheers Hilliard

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I always use firstrowsports.

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Wiziwig seems to have clearer streams

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Yep - Wiziwig seems to be the clearest of the many I've tried. English commentary too - not that that's necessarily a good thing, just means you can shout at the laptop :)

StevieK

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01 Dec 2012 13:43:44
I think Benat from Real Betis good be a good midfield option for us. Any chance we could get him Ed and who's targeting him? Thx.

TOI

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01 Dec 2012 14:00:47
I do not rate Moses as highly as our current wingers but you have to ask yourselves why didnt we go in for £10million when we are being linked with Zaha for £15m and Ince for a couple of million Moses is a far better player.

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01 Dec 2012 13:49:25
Ferguson said: "Anders has done well. It's one of those situation where there is no actual reason to leave Anders out in terms of form.

"Hopefully David understands that at the moment. But there is no long-term issue.

"I really think that creates consistency. That's why I've kept Anders in on Wednesday night (against West Ham). I could easily have changed it again but Anders has done nothing wrong.

"They're both good goalkeepers. I'm going along with Anders at the moment because he is not letting me down."
Jred

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01 Dec 2012 13:46:54
Is anderson playing today?

Also i heard a rumour that ferdinands season at ot will be his last.

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01 Dec 2012 13:30:28
I know all of us think that are wingers have started turning back and not running at players or taking them on.... Well you can see how much our wingers have become ineffective this season and played horribly... Well you watch Victor Moses or Walcott who I rate much less than Valencia or Young or Nani and they take player son and carve out alot more chances especially clear cut chances with cut backs.

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01 Dec 2012 13:28:57
You may not agree with me,but DDG is so much better than Lindegaard,and + he is younger,he should get more chances,so he could achieve self-confidence,he has better reflexes,

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01 Dec 2012 13:06:40
Jred, telling lies again? I have never said he isn't good. Just not value for money and massively overrated by people and the media.

Sydney!
Sorry syd scroll down the page you said 3times his not that good , it wasn't until people disagreed that u started to back track and change your view (value for money).
It's a banter site if your going to come out with "his not that good" or " I do not think his a very good winger"
Stick to your views before you start accusing people of telling lies
Jred

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To be fair to syd saying "he isn't THAT good" doesn't mean he is bad just means he isn't as good as others are making out.
IMO though bale is a good winger but just like nani he is very inconsistent and bale relies on his pace where as wingers like rodriguez can get past players with ease by bambooziling them with skill

JK92 {Ed004's Note - I think Bale is at the right type of club for him and am not sure he is capable of a step up. This is no offence to Spurs as I think they are a very big club though teams don't see to park the bus against them very often which they do against us. Now if Bale was to come I would play him as an attacking wing back in a 4231 with someone ahead of him would cuts in giving him all the space in the world to run into but I can't see him wanting to play there especially with all the hype surrounding him in the media stating how he is one of the best wingers in the world etc.}

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01 Dec 2012 13:02:33
People have been criticising Rooney this season. I will admit he has not been at his best and his final ball sometimes careless however I feel he will improve but am not sure it will be to the level we all had hopes he would attain. Still he works hard, harder than many others and I would not want to see him against us in a rivals team.
There is one reason people seem to miss when criticising him. That is what support he is getting from our slow sluggish rigid midfield manned all to often by a 38 or 39 year old plus Carrick and or Cleverley who are not dynamic. It means Rooney is dropping deeper and having to cover the work not being done in midfield. We are looking to him to control tackle create and score. It causes us issues playing Scholes as others having to do extra to allow him to play Hollywood passes is meaning even more on Rooneys shoulders. Improve our midfield and let Rooney express himself, then if he still isn't doing it look to sell but not before.
If Scholes or Giggs start today I fear the result and Jason Roberts can be a handful.

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For me he's a striker who is being asked to play midfield due to the quality of our midfield.
I'm sure he would rather be up top scoring goals but has taking one for the team with no complaints .
Has he been any worse than our other midfield players.
I think him and Rvp could be very good
Jred

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I think rooney plays his best when is up top.
look at the season when he was a lone striker.. he won games on his own.

rooney isn't a true number 10 all he does is slow the play down and lose the ball, someone like kagawa is a true number 10 and should be playing in that role.

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I think it all comes down to Kagawa's injury as we do not have that link between the strikers and the midfield without him so Rooney has to fill that void.

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Teams reay dont get players like rooney.
hes so unselfish for a player.
he'll play uptop, on th left or right in midfield, attacking midfield, track back , hes one hell of a player, he'll score goals surely.. he has always.
Our midfields been awful but our wingers have been equally awful aswell. Young nani or valencia have hardly contributed.

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01 Dec 2012 12:38:33
This would be my team for Reading, it is also based on SAFs comments as well.

Lindegaard

Rafael Evans Ferdinand Evra

Cleverley Carrick Anderson

Rooney

RVP Welbeck

Think SAF will play Lindegaard because of what he said, and he may play Rio after he said he was rested v West Ham.
I want Ando to play but he may play Giggs or Scholes and leave out Clevs out as well who knows?
Welbeck may start, and Hernandez is better as a sub.
COYR!
MUFC19 {Ed004's Note - Would stick with Smalling and Evans. We need to start having a consistent back 4}

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Ed004 I couldnt agree more. The stability of our back 4 is awful at the minute every game swapping them around we need to keep it with Rafael,Smalling,Evans and Evra. Both Centre backs have been immense.

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01 Dec 2012 12:32:24
Just a mistake or? According to Wikipedia Robert Lewandowski is a striker for none other than Manchester United

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01 Dec 2012 12:27:55
if scholes plays today then id like to see us line up lke this;
lindegaard rafael evans rio evra scholes carrick anderson rooney young RVP..

but i have a feeling it will be:
lindegaard rafael evans rio evra scholes carrick welbeck young rooney RVP..

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Gotta feeling r v p will be sub today on 4 bookings and city next week

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01 Dec 2012 11:54:07
Its a rare occurence, but I find myself agreeing with Syd on the Lewandowski/Rooney debate. Rooney will be going if Lewandowski signs, it just won't work as Rooney isn't good enough in midfield I think. So if Lewandowski was to sign, I think we could be looking at this:

_____________De Gea
Rafael___Smalling___Vidic___Baines
____________Strootman
________Anderson__Cleverly
______________Kagawa
____________Lewy__RVP

I don't think it looks particuarly wonderful, there are much better avenues for us to explore.

Fresh!

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Really can't see Rooney leaving , don't see the club cashing in also don't see Rooney wanting to leave especially with a new kid on the way
Jred

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If Rooney is sold there will be more signings than Baines, Lewy and Strootman. Imo we would see one a big money £25m+ deal as well maybe Ozil or Rodriguez. {Ed004's Note - Or both...}

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I dount know about rooney not being good enough in midfield. He hasnt played as a proper CM but an AM when he has had slower players behind him (Scholes Carrick Giggs) This has caused him to run backwards more then forwards in order to help out our sluggish midfield.
If lewy comes in then i believe he will be converted to a cm and Shinji will be our AM behind Lewy and RVP

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Is there not question marks about kagawa tho, is he going to adapt to the league etc
Jred

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01 Dec 2012 11:05:26
So I was looking at Falcao and Lewandolski and seen
In there leagues falcao scored 11 and assisted 1 in 12 games
while lewan has scored 9 and assisted 3 in 13 games

I don't know about yous but I would say lewans is more impressive bundesliga teams are alot better defensively than spanish
Overall this season in all comps
Falcao =13 games 14 goals 1 assists
Lewan = 20 games 13 goals 6 assists

I myself would rather lewan if we were to sign 1 of them
Because hes younger would be cheaper and seems to be more of a team player than falcao {Ed002's Note - Manchester United has not shown any interest in Falcao at all.}

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I like both players but we have a natural goal scorer in RVP but having Falcao would just immense. I have to I would love either of them to sign even if it meant Rooney leaving.

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30 Nov 2012 22:12:14
I asked earlier in season about Theo Walcott, and I still hope and believe he will come to us.....? Cheaky bud in jan (let him know we want him) or free in summer....
Eds this stuff about pay-cuts if arsenal don't make champs league, is this true....? I can see them not making top 4....
What you think...??

BowlDonBowl

Ps it will be a great game on Sunday itv. Dons play great football, love to hear what you think of them....
And that's MK Dons... {Ed002's Note - I really have no interest in discussing player's wages.}

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Yukkkk dnt like mk dons
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01 Dec 2012 09:28:21
Can all the Rooney apologists explain the impact he has had this year please? Anyone...?

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Have we lost any games he played in?

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He is still one of our best players but I agree he's not clicked this season. I think he needs a run of games with just RVP ahead of him so he can play the no. 10 role where he's best. He's been playing too deep for me, his recent attempts on goal seem to be from outside the box. He needs a strong midfield behind him so he can concentrate on linking up with RVP

My worry is that his touch and technique seem to be off atm and he's not making up for that with pace and power like he used to. But I'm still hoping once he regains his goalscoring form that it will 'click' for Rooney once again

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3 goals and 8 assists in 11 games (prem and cl) is not bad and considering he has played behind two strikers and on the wing alot this season aswell

We are simply a far better team with him playing

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His had a couple of injuries and played in a few positions, I think he plays better with a settled run of games
Jred

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I can see Rooney being sold and Lewandowski, Strootman, Baines and Ozil coming in.

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01 Dec 2012 05:40:55
To all the Eds and posters on this site happy new month. May this month be good to us. Glory, glory manchester united. And great job guys, thanks for this site.
PeeBoaiy

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01 Dec 2012 03:35:25
Thought i'd put my thoughts in on the Bale debate.

1. He is a good but limited player, whose game is dependent on pace. But is he 40mil good? A simple no from me.

2. He is good when playing against teams on the counter attack or against teams who play a high line.

3. But when teams sit deep and defend in numbers he is completely useless. The reason being simple. He has only one type of cross in his locker. The one whipped across the penalty box along the ground. This cross obviously doesn't work when teams sit deep and he isn't tricky enough to beat his man when boxed into a corner.

There is absolutely no other cross which he executes well. You rarely see him curling a cross in at the far post for a header or a perfectly weighted ball at the near post to be headed in. Any attempts at such crossing painfully end up for a throw in or a goal kick, and its extremely frustrating to watch.

That is the major reason why he isn't either a complete winger or a complete full back, somewhere in the middle. How many times do you see him cross for a header, or put in an early ball into the box? Not versatile at all.

4. In most of the games against United, teams are going to sit deep and get numbers in the box and frustrate us, unlike at Spurs where teams do have a go at them. Is Bale the answer to opening up such defenses which have caused us trouble this season? Obviously not. We need a more tricky winger like Rodriguez and an attacking midfielder with great flicks, quick one twos and vision like Ozil or even Kagawa.

5. People on here call Valencia a one trick pony and the same people are getting all wet about the thoughts of Bale. Valencia is a much better player than Bale. He can cross a ball anyway he likes and isn't just a counterattacking player. He can play against defenses sitting deep.

All this fuss over Bale beating couple of players against Liverpool, why didn't Valencia get the same praise when he left 3 players for dead at anfield who were in a much better position to win the ball and won us the penalty? Cows in the other field anyone?

6. Finally i'd have him over Nani or Young on the left, but for 40mil? No chance. I'd look at Rodriguez, Di Maria, Ozil, Muniain, Isco before taking a look at Bale.

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I don't want Bale at United because I'd prefer we play a narrower, more techinacal formation BUT Bale is certainly better than Valencia IMO. I rate them both but Bale is far more explosive and get's a better return in terms of goals/assists

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I am on the side of Bale is a very good player but I want to see technically better players like Rodriguez or Isco who can keep the ball at their feet and play across the whole front 3 with ease. {Ed004's Note - So am I}

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01 Dec 2012 02:36:59
www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2241276/Robert-Lewandowski-sign-Manchester-United.html

Ignoring whether it is true or not for now, what would people think of this? Personally would love to see him here, but there are more important areas to improve. If he does sign, it means Rooney is either being sold or moving permanently to midfield.

G.A.G.U.S

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I dnt see it happening

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He's a very good physical player but I prefer to see falcao here. Ain't going to happen though. Main reason lowndawski is target is because he'll be cheaper as he hasn't got long on his contract. Good luck to the boys today. Let's have another three points.
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It could be the former or the latter mate. Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see Rooney sold, on the other hand if he agrees a new deal and stays he will likely permanently move to midfield and I think the manager really wants Lewy so we really could see him at the club this summer.

Sydney!

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It was on caught offside yesterday
Jred

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NoMidfield, Lewandowski is a top quality player who will only improve. He also has a very good understanding with Kagawa. With Real Madrid, Chelsea, Bayern etc interested in him I think you are wrong.

Sydney!

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Do we need him
Jred

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So Sydney, put up a starting XI that includes our main players and Lewy with Rooney in midfield, are you thinking of this:

___________De Gea
Rafael__Smalling__Vidic__Baines
___Rooney__Carrick__Cleverly
___________Kagawa
________RVP_____Lewy

Would prefer to replace Carrick, I don't think it looks a particularly good team if I am honest. Don't rate Rooney in midfield at all.

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - I don't either. I also think we should be playing 4231. All the top teams play it and it is brilliant offensively and defensively. Look at what it has done at West brom. Madrid, Chelsea, Dortmund and Bayern, 3 of which were in the champions league semifinal. It's also the best formation in fifa ;)}

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German League is quite similar in style to Prem, more so than Spanish anyway, so adapting should be easier.

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I agree with 004 , 4.2.3.1
Is the way forward for me
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