Manchester United Banter Archive February 01 2014

 

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01 Feb 2014 23:51:04
Question is united fans. If you were not to finish 4th, would you rather finish 7th and not qualify for Europa league? Playing on Thursdays nights, look at the effects it's had on Swansea and spurs.

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Absolutely.

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That is what I have been thinking. 7th would be better than Thursday night football. if it becomes clear that 4th is gone, okay youth and the let the chips fall where they may.

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In bridge having 7 trumps between partners is known as a Moysian fit. 7th seems prophetically appropriate.

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No, we should always be looking to get as high up the table as possible.

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This question is totally rubbish. Even if we are going for thursday football, we will out of the cup in first 2 or 3 matches so it's not a problem.

On the contrary may be Moyes will be aiming for Quadruple!

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Europa League winner qualifies for Champions League now.

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If we were to finish 7th and miss Europe then at least if moyes was to strengthen in the summer we could focus on the league, in a similar manner to Liverpool are this season.

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Terrible question, United finishing in a position which would grant Europa League football next season would be better than finishing in 7th.

The money gained from finishing in an advanced position in the league alone would be good enough, It would give us a chance to use other players, younger players and possible send United to parts of Europe they have not been in ages.

Plus even Europa League attracts some players. Yes it would give us more games a season but I know if I was a player and I seen that many games in a season I would be pumped and raring to go.

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How about qualifying for the Europa League, buying a load of top players and then winning the Europa League?

Its something a bit different isn't it?

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01 Feb 2014 23:04:26
The centre midfield is becoming a major issue for us and people on here are going mad at not signing a cm. Moyes made it clear the players he wanted was not available. Yet that's not good enough to some people. would you of rarther of seen some panic buy or wait and sign a Vidal or Kroos .? I haven't giving up on fellani, and could play a big part for us. Yet it's easy to blame our poor form on him,

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Doesn't change the fact that he really made some questionable decisions today. Everybody I was watching the game with was shocked that he brought in Welbeck instead of Fletcher. That forced Rooney to play out of position and made us even more weaker in the middle and weaker in attack. Yes, we have to patient but his tactics are sketchy at best and his post game remarks are those of a man who is managing a team not of the stature of United. Blaming luck, the weather and injuries and then saying we played well. Excuses willn't cut it here

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I think it's ironic that when Fergie was bashing Keane's managerial record in his book it was because he needed to buy to win, and now the number one defence of Moyes is that he can't be expected to win until he buys five or six top class players. Absolute bull.

Moyes has brought in two of our most expensive signings ever and added them to last season's championship winning team. The squad is a bit behind City and Chelsea but there is no reason why the current squad shouldn't be challenging at the top. However, we are languishing in midtable and, more importantly, have shown zero improvement over the last five months.

The worst thing is that Moyes can oversee another piss poor performance and then try to fob supporters off by playing the poor luck card, for the umpteenth time this season. According to Moyes we we did nothing wrong today. What type of moronic comment is that from a United manager. Last season everyone here was laughing at Rodgers for saying the same thing, but now it's Moyes it's suddenly okay?

The man has one idea, get to the byline and cross it in. This is what lower league managers do because it gives them a greater statistical chance of scoring. It doesn't work at the top level but Moyes doesn't have a clue how to change things up. Mata, Rooney and RVP all on the pitch, yet most of our attacks went through Young and Evra because they can get it to the byline.

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Sorry mate I don't buy the - we'll get a Vidal or Kroos and any others who aren't "worldies" aren't good enough. We play 50+ games a season (probably less next season!) so you need more than 1 CM, so try to get one of that class and one who can stand in and play in easier games makes more sense to me.

Cabaye is an ideal example, v.good but not the very best. If we'd gone in early with a sound bid (£16m?) maybe he'd have come to us instead of PSG. He was obtainable now and would have significantly improved our midfield this season and given a much better chance of top 4.

Our chances were slim but after t0-day we've a mountain to climb. Why, severe bad luck and lack of proper CM.

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Danny, what on earth has what Fergie said about Keane in his book, got anything to do with Moyes wanting to get top players in?

Totally irrelevant.

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When the big spending clubs want a player they go and get them, they don't come out with he's not availible.if the likes of kroos and vidal are that good and availible in the summer, expect europes elite to also go after them offering far bigger wages than utd and guarenteed champions league football.buying these 4-5 superstars will be no different to previous attemps at signing big name players, and most of them ended in failure.

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01 Feb 2014 22:46:49
Just a question. Can anyone remember a more "unlucky manager than DM?

The gaffer has my total support and I honestly believe that his appointment was an inspired and intelligent decision. However I do have gripes.

I understand why he is playing 442, and I think it's because he believes our best form of attack is from our wide players, even though they are (IMO) not up to the standard required. This is because we have absolutely zero threat through the middle of the park (from a central midfield position.

IMO the ONLY reason we amassed so many points to win the title last season was because SAF realised that it was worth sacrificing Rooney's happiness for the greater good by playing him wide of a 433 with Welbz or Toni V, with van persie an the point. Thus to "try" to make us more (narrow) competitive in the middle of the park.

DM seems convinced that 442 or 441-1 is the way to go with thee players he has at his disposal.

I've disagreed with this position for years and I still do - 442 or 4411 on an outdated and archaic formation in this era. Yes with a midfield of Giggs, Keane, Scholes & Becks it can be imense but with the plyers we have now its a hinderance. I cannot remember the last match I watched when we had "control of the game".

I do 100% believe DM will win MAJOR trophies as our manager but I think he needs to be given time to make it his team.

PS. At the end of season awards I think the "player" of the season should go to the united fans. home and away! (despite all the foaming at the mouth by the tits who have only known success, calling for Moyes head) They have made me even more proud to support the greatest club in the world.

(not arrogant. JUST BETTER)!!

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As Napoleon said I don't want great Generals and I want lucky ones.
I think Moyes is just an unlucky one.
Hopefully the next one will be the lucky one.

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Didn't read below before I sent my last post

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Stop saying we have bad luck there is no such thing.
If the tactics were better we would've won today, even with the players we have got simple as that.

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FZZ, of course there's bad luck in football. I hate that glib phrase, 'there's no such thing as bad luck, just bad tactics'.

A team laying siege to the opposition goal for 90 minutes, and hitting the woodwork countless times, keeper pulling off wonder saves, a vital slip just as a striker is about to pull the trigger, a bobble on an uneven bit of turf, just as the ball is rolling into the keeper's hands - just a few examples. That has nothing to do with bad tactics.

Losing two centre halves in the first half is bad luck, not bad tactics.

A stupid deflection on a shot going nowhere is bad luck, not bad tactics.

Even the substitution that everyone is moaning about. Do we all actually remember that we equalised after that substitution?

We paid in the end because our defence was shot to pieces, and the usual suspect - our poor midfield options.

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Moyes has added two players costing over £64m to the champions that Gary Neville felt could and should have gone well with this season, even Mr positive Neville says we have regressed. The old adage was that the more I practice the more luck I get is true but it is what we are practicing that is the problem. Playing two wide players getting crosses from the byline is 70s and 80s football. We have become what we are because of the direction and philosophy. If we talk about luck then even Birmingham and Wigan got lucky winning trophies and Mr Moyes didn't have any 'luck' for 11 years at Everton either.

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In reality the word luck is thrown about like its a actual thing. If a defelection happens it happens, it happens alot.

Things like shots that hit posts are controlled, if the striker shot slightly right/left it would've gone in, it just wasnt a accurate shot, if a keeper is in the right place at the right time to do his job, its not luck, he's there to save it, he's got to the ball.

Like redman says these sides win the games fair and sqaure its not lucky, or unlucky on the side that lost.

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FZZ, what have any of your examples got to do with bad tactics, which was your original point?

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01 Feb 2014 22:54:41
Todays defeat was very hard to take champions league football next year seem a longshot at best what are the chances of attracting top players if we can only offer Europa league football

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Europa is being a little hopeful mate!

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01 Feb 2014 22:51:28
How likely are We to get vidal in the summer? And how much do you see us spending in the summer?

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01 Feb 2014 21:52:39
Hi all LFC fan here

would just like to know what's the mata?!!

on a more serious note, do you think moyes can get you into the top 4?
I must admit the day fergie retired was a happy day for me and many others, and even though it pains me to say he was one of the best managers ever, however moyes in my opinion is NOT!
so unless you change into chavski or manspender city can you see yourselves progressing under moyes?

friendly banter welcome!
MikeyD86 off of the Liverpool rumours page

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"Chavski"
"Manspender City"

God.

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No, we will have to spend heavily, and we will need a lot of luck if we are to get back into the mix in the next 5 years. There has been chronic under-investment in all areas of the field, probably in the mistaken belief/hope that United's youth program might produce players of a quality equal to that of Suarez, Aguero, Yaya Toure, Hazard etc or the class of 92.

My guess is all at the club are in shock. There is no way Moyes, the Board, or even SAF anticipated the depth of the slump, or degradation of the squad, that would occur after his tenure came to an end. Given how far we have fallen, it is hard to see how on earth we won the EPL last year, especially when only a handful of players actually had good seasons.

To get back into it we will need to become Manpurchaser United, but if Moyes is not up to it, even that might not be enough.

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01 Feb 2014 22:17:24
There are a few on here that don't like any negative posts against the manager or team, they hide behind the fact fergie chose moyes, the great man chose ashley young and nani and I've seen the same posters slagging off them players but that's ok, moyesies post match presser he said we played well, we got to the byline lots of times, ashley young said the same in is interview, is this his style of play just to sit deep, wingers get to the byline and cut the ball back, its frightening to hear he thinks we played well today, he seems like a nice guy but he just doesn't fit at old trafford, just like berbatov and veron didn't fit.

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Spot on MG people need to ask themselves if saf hadn't chosen Moyes then asked us to stand by him would so many on here still be saying give him time I think if he had been a glazer, s appointment with no input from saf we would all have called for his head long before now just because he was safe choice doesn't mean it will work out

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01 Feb 2014 20:44:49
Napoleon was very accurate in two of his quotes.

"If the art of war were nothing but the art of avoiding risks, glory would become the prey of mediocre minds. I have made all the calculations; fate will do the rest"

"I have plenty of clever generals but just give me a lucky one" It does not matter just how hard you try, or train but there are so many things that can go wrong and often do. With a lucky general if things go wrong other things just seem to go right and counteract and cancel out what has gone wrong, even if he has not planned it that way.

I think these two quotes sum up David Moyes at the moment.
Needs to be more intelligent in his choices and needs to be luckier.
It has been an awful season and while it is not the worst I have seen as a United fan it is the worst for a long time.

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01 Feb 2014 20:43:48
I don't often post, but always check out the comments on this site. I've supported United since the 80s, so I really want to get behind the manager and players, through the good as well as the bad. I'm not going to comment much about the game, or individual players, I think we are all bright enough to realise where the team is weakest. My concerns are not only the tactics and statements by Moyes after the game. The lack of attitude, drive, determination and organisation shown by the team at different points this season has been alarming. A good manager should not only be able to get his players to buy into his overall philosphy and strategy, but adjust accordingly, whether it be the opposition, weather conditions or state of the pitch. I will continue to get behind the lads and Moyes, but this summer will be critical for DM, and I really hope Fergie's faith was not misplaced

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Mr moyes if you want to play mata rooney van persie in the same team you have to forget aboat wingers possesion is the key and how quick you get it forward stick carrick and kagawa or fellini because your full backs can be the wingers they can bomb forward just forget aboat cleverly and jones is a centre half you can do it just believe and change the system come on red devils

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01 Feb 2014 20:32:19
Just a thought: If Moyes' is determined to play a 4 man midfield with wide players', then why not use Mata in the central area alongside Carrick? Sure, he isn't a natural CM player, but at least in the centre of the park, he will be able to get on the ball and dictate play, and 'utilise' his excellent passing range. It would also allow Rooney to play up front supporting RVP.

The thought of Mata being used as a winger disgusts me.

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Graeme Souness wrote an article in last weeks Sunday Times saying Mata could play in the middle. I was a bit surprised as he can't tackle but neither can Cleverly. At least he would give us something going forward, where Cleverly gives us nothing

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01 Feb 2014 20:23:52
Please just remember it's easy to criticise someone on the day when things didn't come off. I still have faith in Moyes, today was a bad day at the office.

This season has now become all about forth place. It makes summer signings far easier.

Hoping for some luck with injuries. Scrape 4th place and go again. I hope Zaha tears it up on loan, then he'll be forced into trying him next year.

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Are you for real, it isn't just on bad day you fool, he is criticised because it is another in a long list of many, a bad day again you mean, another day of playing people in the wrong position, baffling substitutions, poor tactics, and again we make poor teams look great.

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Mata had a 94% pass completion rate today, yet he spent most of the time wide right, in a place where he could do the least damage.

We had Rooney, Mata and Kagawa in the squad today - all top class number 10's - yet Welbeck spent the most time in the number 10 role.

I am sorry, but Moyes' was tactically clueless today. He played right into the hands of Stoke.

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I am not a fool EIG, far from it

I believe I the long game, I believe Moyes will come good. We have too many average players, and the good players we have are not performing. Our world class players have been injured for too many games.

Feel free to insult me, bemoan your lot in life, b1tch about Moyes etc etc.

If we get 4th place, sign a "world class" midfielder, left back and experienced centre back in the summer and truly challenge for the title next year then he'll truly have done well.

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Moyes hasn't had a single good day at the office. It's easy to criticize on days when things don't come off, which is every day with this mid table manager leading the champions to a mid table finish.

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Its been a bad season at the office, we sit too deep, he persists with wingers, he thinks we played well today all very frightening, I for one have no faith in moyes, I never had, just because saf chose him doesn't make it a good descision, saf also chose djemba djemba and bebe, he does occasionally get it wrong as I think he has with this, just doesn't fit at mufc

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Forget 4th place its not going to happen, take your heads out of the sand and just admit were crap.ive said since sept we wouldn't get in top 4 and I've seen nothing since then to make me change my mind.critisising moyes doensnt make you a bad fan I've been match going well before fergie joined and I will be for a long time after moyes is gone, but if things aren't right then everyone has the right to his point of view especially when there spending a small fortune every season.fergie was wrong to pick moyes, that should be the job of the board, he also left moyes an ageing, average squad who won the prem last year due to other teams being poor and not strengthening

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01 Feb 2014 20:18:50
Ive got a feeling the owners dont
trust DM with the £200m in the
transfer kitty I mean everyone knew
we needed some defenders and
today highlighted the problem so
why didn't they arrive in Jan.
The answer might be youve had
Over £50 mill Mr Moyes and if we
dont get top 4 you we be gone and
we will give the rest to the new
manager who we have more of an
idea ( no matter what Fergie says).
Tactics all wrong today. line- up a joke

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01 Feb 2014 19:38:53
Syd I been telling you this since October .
You're about 6 months behind again

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{Ed007's Note - You've got to love a totally random Syd bashing post!}

Yes me too Ed007

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You have been telling me since October (3-4 months ago, not 6) that MU are playing poorly? Well I think I worked that one out for myself. My point then is the same as now. If we can get out of this slump, get our confidence back and get everyone fit, then we can kick on. My problem then is the same as now, we need MU to get out of this rut before it's too late. Time is running out.

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What rut Syd?

We're playing well, we've been getting the ball to the byline and everything. We've just been a bit unlucky.

This is how all the top clubs play, isn't it?

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Danny, I have just seen Moyes' comments. Shocking is the word I'd use to describe his comments. It's clear that the players are not confident under him as manager. We started negatively, the defence was set so far back when they need to push up 15 yards, it isn't is though Crouch was going to outrun anyone. It isn't like we had to watch Suarez or Aguero. By pushing up more, the midfield would have done the same and the attack wouldn't have been so isolated. Under SAF we attacked attacked attacked and that is why we won the league. This season the team set-up is about trying not to concede and winning 1.0. It simply doesn't suit MU's philosophy.

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Sydney

I totally agree, Moyes philosophy does not suit Manchester United. Getting to the byline and getting crosses in hoping for goals is like a team talk from the 70s and 80s.

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Red Man, the worrying thing is that the manager relies on Evra and Smalling/Rafael to cut it back like Baines and Coleman, but in all the years I have watched Evra, he rarely cuts it back to a MU player. You could give him ten attempts and he will pick out an opposite team player. I have always said with Evra that from getting box to box he is the best around, but in either box he is useless. Even the getting box to box thing is starting to fade now. I am not putting yesterday on Evra as that would be unfair, but he has needed replacing for years now, not months, arguably since 2010. We have needed to replace Rio for a couple of years now. Our midfield is still neglected after years and the club need to take responsibility for that. The one thing we can say about Moyes is that he has identified the problems and he does want to bring top quality players into the team, but whether he is the right man to get them playing well is simply another matter.

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01 Feb 2014 20:04:21
I'm nervous watching Chris smalling in the air suspect slightly clumsy on the ground not that quick I don't see him been a top class utd centre back need better than him to replace Rio and vida might be harsh just my opion footballkeano

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01 Feb 2014 19:53:03
Moyes has no quality to be United coach. I still think he hasn't.

But the injuries are not helping at all. Tactically he's clueless. He certainly has good things and this is why they hired him but unfortunately, what he's good at is not enough to take us anywhere near top 4 this season.

Even if we buy new players in the summer, I doubt will be enough to expect to win the BPL.

Don't get me wrong, I want him to succeed.

If he succeeds we'll do as well, so I hope he succeeds. But getting behind won't make him good enough for us. Unfortunately we just have yo keep pushing for the team and hoping for the better.

Even with our star players we won't make the top 4, Only by a miracle, because on the field we have no quality at all.

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01 Feb 2014 19:35:18
The only think I can do now, is to go out to the best chicken and chips restaurant in the algarve, snr frango and wash it down with copious amounts of beer and red wine.
Its my birthday on Monday, so was hoping for an early birthday present from the boys, but not to be!

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{Ed007's Note - Have a nice birthday when it comes.}

When you say 'the boys', is this a male strip group in the algarve ha ha

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Do you live in the algarve? i'm there every year last week in july 1st week in aug in alvor get my pre season fix in the sports bar lol

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Try and get to Monty's in vale do lobo no midfield.

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01 Feb 2014 19:31:18
Why uniteds performances have been "miserable" is mainly down to your midfield. Games are won and.lost in midfield. My brothers a scout for Brighton and and I've been to a fair few games around europe. The contrast in English.and foreign players especially midfielders is superior. Youngsters in south america especially are technically awesome at a very young age. Coaches here are outdated, improving but light years behind European football that's why we are seeing an evolution in free flowing attacking.football. But how many english midfielders are coming along and dictating play? When was the last time england produced anothet scholes? On a very rare basis. Brendan Rodgers went overto watch.barca train and play. He is a obsessive learner of.ticka tacka football and that is why we liverpool are doing well, he has the players to play close to what he wants.r United have been lacking quailty midfield CM for years, once that.is adressed then united will flurish once more

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Midfield and fullback positions mainly.

MU will get the mojo back, question is whether it returns in time to finish 4th.

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01 Feb 2014 20:13:52
So we've lost our 8th game and qualification for the European Cup looks very difficult Nothing new today, a very poor Cleverley and Wellbeck who shouldn't be in our team. We just need to write this season off, buy well in the Summer and hope.

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01 Feb 2014 19:04:43
Moyes "It was a difficult day, the conditions were tough. I thought we played some good football, we got to the byline, but just couldn't pick anyone out in the box."

Sums it up there this is his Idea of how to play football (especially against Stoke) is to get to the byline and put cross after cross in?

Stoneage football from a stoneage average manager.

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I am not jumping on the sack Moyes bandwagon and I know that he is a new manager at a new club but this is turning into a disaster! His tactics and football philosophy are really starting to set my alarm bells ringing! The fear factor that other teams had when they played Utd has all but gone .

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The man is full of excuses and I think we will be hearing lots more before the end of the season.

He has certainly managed to break lots of records this season, all of them unwelcome!

I am not sure we can now finish in the top 4 and I think even the "in moyes we trust" brigade must be beginning to doubt the man's credentials. is he a united class manager? I have thought not from the appointment and have seen nothing to change my mind

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01 Feb 2014 19:02:43
I think u lads are starting to realise moyes just isn't up to it. I'm an arsenal fan and can blatantly see he's too negative. Awful tactics and subs. Why would u put Rooney in midfield if your chasing the game? He's not a good enough manager for Manchester United. He doesn't have the managerial ability or presence for your club. Can get players motivated. U can sign whoever u want. Unless u can manage the players and play them in their right position and tactics to suit them, they won't make any difference. I.e mata.

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Totally agree, we always go 4-4-2 and in this day and age it won't work,

An interchangeable 3 of mata, Rooney and Januzaj behind rvp would work for me, set up like Chelsea. There's no point in trying to cross all the time when it's clearly not working

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I think you're right, really poor decisions by Moyes today.But it has happened to many times before as well.I want to support Moyes but he's showing really negative signs.Personally, I would give him time to build his own team and if by May 2015 we haven't at least got close to winning the epl title (3rd-1st place)then I'd sack him.I think managers nowadays should be considered lucky if they are give 2 years time to put things right.

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Good evening to all United fans.
Woeful display on the pitch today. Did not see many positives regarding the match and even with Mata's transfer and enthusiasm, I do not see a strong finish to the season.
Do not understand the comments that fans make regarding potential transfer targets not being United quality. Yes, many other teams strenthened their sides since last year, and also, since SAF retired, the team has not played well. With SAF, based on last year's results, I believe the team overachieved based on results compared to this year. And during the transfer window, statements, if true, pertaining to top class players queuing up to sign for United were stated, which I hope are true. Possibly, their are verbal agreements for high calibre players to join next summer, but what are the options if the squad does not qualify for the champions league? Will players desire to join up to a squad deemed to be a project? Numerous posts have stated that transfer targets were not available due to availability, price, etc. but what exists regarding plan b & c if cutie targets are not available?
Today's performance on the pitch was inadequate and could get much worse before the end of the season.
Great tradition and performances breed success, but in several months utter disaster has plaques the team. Are supporters content with performances such as today? We did not lose to a top squad but seem to be self-defeating.
United forever

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And a lot of us agree with that view.

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01 Feb 2014 18:37:09
Apparently Moyes has come out and said "I don't know what we have to to do to win"

If this is true I don't know if it is, then dear oh dear. He needs to walk seriously.

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Is this what it's come to? He meant because we are getting bad luck, let's not slag him off for the wrong reasons. He isn't going anywhere, the posts below are from the same old people every time we lose a game and it's a bit embarrassing. We are struggling, the season is a write off, but let's get behind the lads.

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That sound like the ramblings of a desperate man; a man who has run out of ideas and excuses.

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He also said it was a good performance and that we were unlucky to score because we hit a few crosses from the byline but nobody got on the end of them.

Moyes comments today tell you everything you need to know. The team are playing like he wants them to, they are, in his eyes, playing well, the best way to score is to get down the wing and cross it into the box, and we are only losing because we're unlucky. In other words, Moyes thinks that he is doing a good job and the only reason we have lost 5 games in the last month is we are unlucky.

We had Mata and Rooney both on the pitch but the majority of our attacks came from Ashley Young and Evra on the left wing. The man is piddle as a manager and his one idea isn't working, so what now?

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GDS2. And therein lies the problem. You hear more and more from people like me because we keep bloody losing. I'm more embarrassed by supporters who get behind a poor manager regardless of performance and lack of progress and who are able to simply write a season off!

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Like I said, I didn't know if it is what had been said.
After seeing the video myself, I agree with what you are saying.
But just because we don't follow the manager doesn't at all mean we should always be behind him, otherwise people are not real supporters.
The problem is we clearly have the players and it is down to the management to get the best from the players. If people think he's doing a good job and the players are doing well then support him, if you think there playing bad like some also do then they have every right to speak up.
Its because people don't speak up enough the Glazers are still around, they like to spout that they want them out but they don't carry on with there point, and the club knows this, that's why nothing is done.

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Gds2 as mutch as I admire your passion to say other fans posts are embarrassing is wrong most fans spend hard earned cash just like you and what they have seen from the start of the season till now is embaassing even when we have won the same fans have came on saying how we were lucky and out played across the middle most of the fans instead of getting behind him should be voicing there opinions against him or he thinks he is doing nothing wrong only one game against levekusen away have we played anything like united we realy do look like a mid table side

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01 Feb 2014 18:32:57
I back moyes 100% . I'm a united fan through good and the very rare bad times,, but he has to stop playing cleverly. I really want him to succeed here but he is soo poor it hurts to watch, he isn't united class yet and maybe a loan would do him good, he can't handle the pressure at the moment, and I no we struggle in midfield but we need fletcher there with carrick or Rooney, mata has to play behind RVP, wellbeck like cleverly just isn't good enough, his 1st touch and vision is not united standard,

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So you back Moyes 100% apart from the players he picks and the way his team plays football?

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As we no, moyes doesn't have the best of players to pick in cm, it's easy to say sack moyes, but who do you bring in? And if that doesn't work do we sack him? Where not Chelsea, he needs time, this season is a rite off but keep faith

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Why is Cleverly in the team again today? He has been shockingly bad every game he has played, yet he is back in the team the following week.

At least Anderson gave us some creativity going forward. Cleverly gives us nothing in either direction!

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Marmite,

We don't have the best center midfielders of course. But we have a good enough midfield to compete in the top 4 for sure, its just its not being picked,

Fletcher Carrick
Januzaj Rooney Mata.

This midfield would rival any in the league, so the midfield is bad keeps coming up, but no-one is fixing it.
Jones is not a midfielder, even he says he prefers CB but yet he keeps getting picked to play there.

Keep defenders in defense and midfielders in midfield simple as that. if need be like with Carrick today then fair enough.

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I agree, we should definitely loan moyes out! Not sure who'd want him tho!

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Marmite-mclovin.

A voice of reason in a cloud of panic and over reaction!

The only positive aspect of the situation we find ourselves in at the minute is that the "TRUE" fans are being weeded out from the insane glory hunting, quick fix. loonatics that tend to dominate this forum.

Deep Breath. Wipe the rabid foam from your chinss and focus!

Heareth end of rant!

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01 Feb 2014 18:32:17
Thank god for that, Ashley young thought there were positives to be taken out of today's match!
And here I was thinking we played crap and lost to a crap team which hadn't beaten us for 30 years!

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Its Ashley Young though NM, how anyone can come on and defend posts about him not being good enough for United is beyond me. We should have left him at Villa where he was, somehow, one of their better players. He's crap, needs to move to a mid table team like Villa and take Cleverley and Welbeck with him. None are good enough and it becomes more evident every week.

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01 Feb 2014 18:14:29
As soon as Evans came off I knew we were in for a struggle and bringing Rafael on was the correct call, when Jones came off I don't understand why Moyes brought on Welbeck, with the attacking lineup we had out there we needed a midfielder out there especially losing carrick to defence, you can't expect Wazza to do all the work in midfield and still be up there to score the goals, he should have stayed up top, especially as RVP was never going to last the 90 mins. Also bringing Fletcher on would have left us with a later sub to bring Januzaj/Chicharito on to get that late goal if needed. I don't understand why Moyes didn't have a CB on the bench and had 2 strikers just didn't add up.

All of this being said, Stoke were dirty, coming in late on almost every challenge from the get go and that was evident from the amount of injuries we were sustaining out there, the players would have come back into the changing room with chunks missing from their calves! How Walters was not sent off I don't know (a bit like Rafael the other week I guess), he came in 2 footed studs raised, don't care if he hurt himself it was a dangerous tackle, he did not slip as suggested by the commentators.

All in all it was an awful game of football, horrible to watch and does not help our top 4 chances at all!

MOTM for me was Adam for sure, he did what he needed to for Stoke and his work rate was incredible, Carrick shouldn't have turned that first one in but his second goal was class.

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01 Feb 2014 18:12:16
Moyes not up to job he's lost it. He says he's knows wot he has to do but this has been a season from he'll. We are now a laughing stock of English football a league wrve dominated for years.wen was the last time we lost to stoke or never got into champions League or were beatvat home so much.as much as I think Mata quality player were pinning everything on a player who couldn't get it chesea squad Sos sir ALEX

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01 Feb 2014 18:09:48
The substitutions today were baffling.

Also I think Evra is the reason why we cannot start Januzaj.

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That's true Young plays to help cover Evra, so we suffer in 2 positions because we have no left back.

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01 Feb 2014 18:07:20
Although luck was definitely not on our side it really wasn't a performance that deserved a result. The conditions were always going to be difficult, and they were heavily compounded by the two injuries. 1st goal an unfortunate deflection and second and absolute screamer against the run of play. Yet United offered very little creatively and couldn't seem to take their chances.

Like many of you I found the Welbeck substitution to be somewhat baffling. Why not just bring on Darren Fletcher (who I thought should have started the game initially) and keep Rooney in his most effective position? Normally I think that some of the stick that Cleverley gets on this site is pretty terrible, but he had a very poor game which was summed up by his shocking miss towards the end of the match. Welbeck was particularly bad as well, and his sub-par first touch completely halted some of United's more promising moves.

Evra was up to his usual antics today, some really shocking defending even by his standards. I honestly didn't think Young played too badly, although his decision to head the ball at the end of the game when the defender missed his interception made me want to throw something. I think the only reason Young is getting games is because he's the left-sided player who does the most defensively, which is shamefully a necessity when you have Evra playing behind you.

The few positives: I thought Rafael, although a little stretched at times, put in a fairly good performance and looked lively. Mata had a nice assist for RVP's goal and always wanted the ball. Rooney was dreadfully unlucky not to equalize with the freekick.

Not a very pleasant game to watch by any stretch of the imagination. I would suggest that those calling for Moyes' head should expend their efforts on something more worthwhile. He's going to be given at least another season to build his team, regardless of whether he was your first choice or you always thought he was garbage from day one, etc.

This game just continues to emphasize how desperately United need to strengthen certain areas: midfield and left-back particularly. Hoping we get to see Januzaj, RVP, Rooney, and Mata next game but I doubt it will happen.

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The most disorganised? Really? I thought we were a mess when we played there

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01 Feb 2014 18:06:46
A friend of mine who is a mad Stoke fan and season ticket holder was at the match and has just texted to say, he's never seen a more disorganised side at the Britannia this year. And he also said that united liked the fight.
These are serious observations to make. As you might imagine, I've had eight texts off him so far!
The lack of fight can be attributed to manager and players, the lack of organisation lays firmly at the feet of the manager and his staff.
How can we make Mata so ineffective? We had three top players out there in mata, rvp, Rooney and yet we look devoid of ideas!

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01 Feb 2014 17:48:03
That young Zaha at Cardiff looks red hot. Wish we could have signed someone like him in the transfer window.

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Man of the match first game, not bad.

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Yeah he looked very good. Not as good as young, nani and Valencia though!

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01 Feb 2014 17:36:44
Its bad times.when sydney admits Liverpool have been.better than united.this season. Ultimately a spectacular goal costs you.
Get behind the team, .every top team goes through transistion, saying get moyes out etc does not aid united. Suck it up and move onto the next game, united have enormous quailty upfront and in my eyes won't finish in the top four but have a.big say in who does and can work towards the summer'

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To be totally honest Big Al, Liverpool deserve to finish 4th this season. Some of the football they have produced this season has been first class. Our performances in contrast have been pretty miserable.

As you point out, we have - on paper anyway - a world class attacking line up and should be scoring for fun; but at them moment, we don't look fluid at all. In fact, we look very static.

I can't see how it can get better. It should have got a lot better already. No excuses IMO.

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It's true, Liverpool have played better football this season. MU players have not dealt with the manager transition well at all.

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Hear! Hear!, play him not him, sign him not him, sack Moyes, give him a chance, if it isn't about opinions then try reading the posts on this site! fact is David Moyes is Manager of Manchester United, and like all Managers in any job needs time to do things his way, painful I know but true, I really do feel sorry for him, some players are letting him down, come the summer the clearer!

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The supporters can't get more behind Moyes and the team, we sing his songs, cheer them on and stay in our seats until the last minute.there's no other club who would do this. Maybe its time to get on their back a bit, let them know we are not happy with these pathetic results, start booing a bit more and let the players and manager feel the pressure and see if and how they react.

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Syd, the players' not dealing being able to deal with the transition is no excuse for the tactical ineptness that week in week out with have had to endure. I initially put it down to a lack of quality in the forward areas: playing without two world class strikers will hurt any team; but today, we had three world class attacking players' on the pitch and looked clueless at times. They were not used in a way that maximises their potential and that is down to the tactics.
Starting young was also the wrong decision given the fact that Valencia and Januzaj have both been playing well lately. Valencia in particular, would have given us a greater threat in the attacking department and strengthened the right side in general. Plus it might have got more out of Mata, who, IMO, is better coming in off the left.
The substitutions, apart from Rafael, were baffling to say the least.

When you think about the panoply of attacking quality we have, in the right hands, it could be lethal. The fact that it isn't has to be the fault of the manager, his staff and the tactics they are trying to implement, which are clearly not working. They need to be utilising our strengths, not stifling them.

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Hi fellas, liverpool fan in peace, I said as soon as moyes was named as your manager he would be to you what souness was to us, he has no track record to deserve to manage your great club, apart from being fergies friend.you need to get rid, as we did with Hodgson, or the longer you leave him there the longer it will take you to recover, moyes has never won away at the big clubs in about 50 attempts, and look how many clubs have had their best results in god knows how many years against you since he took over.if we hadn't got rid of Hodgson god knows where we'd be, fergie is partly to blame because he should have gone as soon as you had a top manager lined up, not waited till they all had jobs, Cheers boys

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Rob b

Mourinho was out of a job.

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Yeah, but do you not think fergie didn't want him in case he superceded in him Europe, just a thought

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You have great players de gea and the front 4 lads but other than that its the worst utd team in 20 years plus moyes is no alex ferguson but we must beat west brom tomorrow to make it count . at least the glazers are spending money its still all up for grabs with everton tottenham arsenal utd and ourselves for 3rd and fourth though I think city and chelsea are nailed on for 1st and 2nd . ps moyes has been unlucky with injuries imo . from liverpool fan .

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01 Feb 2014 17:25:04
Earlier on I asked whether the Eds thought we were in the process of reevaluating the whole youth set up as part of the rebuilding process. The basis for the question was the small return that seems to be coming out of that program, a point which I think Cleverley and Welbeck amply demonstrated today - hardly class of 92 quality.

I understand that young players are loaned out to see if they can step up to the plate, but one would have thought that by the age of 20, the coaches and managers would surely be able to judge whether a kid is going to be a star or, at best, a squad player.

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01 Feb 2014 17:22:57
I don't want to justify the team's performance today, it should have been much better.

But we were too unlucky.Their first goal was deflected, we had 2 cbs injured early on, the game was interrupted too many times with injuries, 3 times the ball fell inches away from Mata's feet in the center of the box and last, how on earth did Rooney's free kick stay out?

On the other hand, we just don't look like a top 4 team.Even with our top players back we never seem to hit any consistency.I'm struggling to remember a really good performance from us in the last months.Let's just hope a mini miracle happens tommorow and Liverpool somehow lose to WBA, as the damage in that case won't be big.

ps. Cleverley should get some shooting training.

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We are being outfought, outwitted and out-thought, by teams who possess far less quality; by teams who are languishing at the bottom of the table. I just can't get my head around what is going on. The manager has to take responsibility for the way he sets his teams up and the tactics he employs. Yes, the players' need to take responsibility for their individual performances; but if said players' are not buying into the philosophy of the manager, or they are unable to execute his orders on the pitch, then we are going to have a major problem.

I don't think the club will get rid of Moyes' any-time soon. We won't finish top four because we are simply no consistent enough at the moment, so I suspect that the club are willing to except a year out of the champions league. My only worry is: can the manager be trusted - or has the ability - to get us challenging again next season, given the fact that the current top four clubs look miles ahead of us in terms of their football on the pitch?

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I agree with you mate, the lack of hunger and fight by some of our players is appaling.We really need to show the door to disinterested players, or players that are simply not good enough.I'm sure during the summer there will be many new faces, carefully chosen by Moyes throughout his time here.

Although I voted for us gaining top four, now it seems very unlikely.It's not the probable 9 point difference.It's the fact that we simply don't perform, with Rvp, Rooney and Mata or without.You have to think that we will have to at least beat Liverpool to retain some chances, but can't see it happening either.

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01 Feb 2014 17:34:27
Really he must be having a laugh, plays mata a 37m player maker in the wrong postion end of!!

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Gonna have the exact same problem with Mata as we've had with Kagawa.
Wants to play behind the striker but can't because Rooney plays there

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If some like Pellegrini was in charge, with some of the attacking talent we had at our disposal, we would be a lovely team to watch.

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01 Feb 2014 17:20:26
Relegation teams must all be starting to look forward to playing us, its ridiculous at this point. The problem lies with Moyes, he just isn't cut out for utd.I would love to see him succeed as much as everyone else but don't think he's the man for the job.

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Redken,

I really want Moyes to succeed, but I just don't think the guy is cut out for the job. He isn't getting what he wants from the players' and it is really hurting us.
Today, we had three world class attacking players' on the pitch and we should have been able to over-power a team like Stoke with that much quality.

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Stoke away has always been a difficult fixture, the reason I am annoyed is because we never give it a good go.

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You should be annoyed with the tactics, they were all wrong after the injuries.

The only momentum came when Stoke wanted to hold on, but even then they went down the other end and could've wrapped it up.

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Totally agree guys, moyes just doesn't seem to be able to get the team moving or playing football! His judgement, his setup and his technical ability all seem unbelievebly bad or non existent. Look at the team we have and he can't do anything, it almost seems like he's comfy in the knowledge fergie has his back so he has no bite where maybe a little sacking scare might light the fire in him. If not he should be sacked other managers have been sacked for much less.

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Moyes has no quality to be United coach.

If he succeeds we'll do as well, so I hope he succeeds. But getting behind won't make him good enough for us. Unfortunately we just have yo keep pushing for the team and hoping for the better.

Even with our star players we won't make the top 4, Only by a miracle, because on the field we have no quality at all.

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01 Feb 2014 17:15:21
bring in steve McLaren can not be any worse and at least he has won something and nows moore about the club instead of dithering dave use McLaren till end of season then look for a decent manager and keep McLaren as number two dithering dave is making dave sexton look like the special one

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Said to a friend the other day he would have been a better bet than moyes

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01 Feb 2014 17:13:51
Your season is getting better and better. Even after spending 37 mill you still can't beat a very poor stoke. I bet your all going to start watching new castles and southamptons results more closely from now on. Mid season battle here you come

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Tell us about it, after all, you've been there long enough!

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Sorry, you talking about the past there. The present is all that counts. Sitting nicely in fourth. Not going to count my chickens yet, but three points against w b and a good game against arsenal and third is in reach. I bet you all wish you had Rodgers

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I refuse to debate with a person who writes Newcastle as new castles.

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C'mon MG.you're expecting an awful lot of a scouser!

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You just have ha ha

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Good things come to those who wait.we have waited long enough.
YNWA

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01 Feb 2014 17:10:55
Young and Cleverly awful as usual, and Welbeck was shocking.

Moyes must take some blame today, he could have brought on Fletcher and left Rooney and Van Persie up front.

Better yet would have been starting Fletcher and Januzaj, instead of Cleverly and Young.

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I must say I thought Young was one of our better players today, good direct running, held up play well and actually looked to create chances.

The tactical ineptitude Moyes continues to show is worrying, that was simply not a day for a 4-4-2, which we only switched from due to injury.

One thing which really annoys me though is (and I hate speaking ill of a past player) how Phil Neville looks so utterly out of his depth it is scary. The guy was playing regular football up until the end of last season, now he's first team coach? Sorry but that is a point that needs addressing.

Today was an unlucky day, no doubt about that. Had we have kept out first choice CB partnership I think we could have scrapped a win. The problem I see is this; top teams get thrown obstacles and challenges, that's inevitable. The way we have responded just stinks of arrogance and unpreparedness, and that's the difference between us and top 4.

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I can't understand why Valencia or Januzaj never started today. Both have been playing well. What gets me though, is the changes he made. I mean, ffs, rooney ended up playing defensive midfield, when he should have been up front.

The manager has no excuses today as far as I am concerned. We had Mata, Rooney and RVP on the field and we should have done much better.

I am beginning to lose faith in the manager now. I am beginning to think he just isn't cut out for the job.

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Ive said nothing against moyes so far, but I honestly think he is NOT the man for MUFC, his decisions are absolutely amature. He also dose not convince me in any interviews etc he looks and sounds like he's lost and he's about to crack mentaly any second. I don't think it would be wise to sack him now but if we don't get 4th then I would look for someone else in summer (not that this will happen). Yes the squad needs improving but jesus Moyes has got them playing at a level way way below what there capable of. Moyes as Manchester United manager gets a 4/10 from me :(

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Totally agree, what possible thing could bringing Wellbeck on have achieved. Want to back Moyes, ut with moves like that and how deep we sit makes me wonder.

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No excuse for bringing in Welbeck instead of Fletcher when Jones got hurt. Rooney had to go to midfield instead of his natural position. Carrick has been awful this yr and that own goal was just so dam lazy

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01 Feb 2014 17:10:46
So Davey Moyes has smashed another 30 year record in his virtuoso mission to prove he is absolutely piddle as a manager. When you're a goal down and you lose both your starting centre backs, who's the one man united know can change things around? That's right it's Danny Welbeck! Who cares that it means shifting one of your best players out of position. Who cares that you have an experienced midfielder on your bench or that you have one of the leagues best young players there too. You've got Welbeck and he's tall, and he runs around a lot.

Can we all just accept that the man is piddle? How many poor performances does it take? How many times does he have to set up the team to contain rather than beat the opposition? Surely even the biggest Moyes fan boys and girls know, deep down, that he's total lost cause?

I know that there will be a host of excuses for today, but we had the "holy trinity" on the pitch for most of the match and barely got a sniff up front. How long are people prepared to ignore all the evidence, and just accept that he is the wrong one?

Come on Davey Moyes
You're a lost cause
Retie-I-re
Retie-I-re

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Even his dad is called Dave Moyes. If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.

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Utter garbage from moyes! Lost 2 defenders and he made a mess of the substitutions to try and fix the situation! Said all along the standards are going to drop so far this season that we will all be glad of the top 4 next season, but I can guarantee that this man will never win the league, ever

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You well know we have differing views about giving Moyes time to build his own team, but I have to agree with you about the substitutions. Fletcher was the obvious choice to go midfield when Carrick dropped back.
But Moyes is having horrendous luck at the moment. I think if he fell into a bucket of tits he'd come out sucking his thumb! :)

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Danny, people can make all the excuses for him, but I can't remember us playing with no confidence like we are at the moment.
Also, the cardinal sin, is his tactics and substitutions. Why oh why bring on Danny welbeck instead of fletcher? He changed the whole structure of the team at that moment. That says it all, no more excuses, he is clueless.

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01 Feb 2014 17:09:30
And our bad luck continues! Evans and Jones getting injured so early lost us the game. But I would like to question why Rooney was pushed into CM when we had a solid midfielder in Fletcher on the bench? Welbeck offered nothing and we were disjointed all over the pitch.

I think if Vidic isn't ready for the next match we should let Keane come back as it's our last option.

4th is still in reach but with the way Liverpool have been playing, it seems unlikely.

I don't want to blame Moyes for this match as he couldn't really do much, but putting Rooney in midfield instead of keeping him up top was a very very weird move.

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I agree especially given how I can not stand Welbeck and think he is sunderland material and we should have left him there.

I mean if England take this guy to the world cup they are f…ed with all due respect.

Did we deserve to lose? I don't think so no but then again this has been like this all year. Gutted with the result today and it has huge implicates in our chase of top4.

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I replied to someone the exact same thing about Fletcher and a lot of posts below are in agreement, people are so confused with that mistake which could've yet again cost us the game.

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Today wasn't bad luck. It was bad management.

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Redseven, I believe it was a mixture of both.

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01 Feb 2014 17:06:00
Okay it was a rainy, blustery day at Stoke and we had severely poor luck, losing two CB's to injury and a wicked deflection and a shot that no keeper could have stopped, but the set-up from the start was negative and because we were set-up that way we didn't create much. If you do not create much, you will find it hard to score. We need to give Mata time to settle and give Rooney and RvP time to get back to full match fitness, but you have to say that we do not deserve to be in the top four as we have been playing disgraceful all season. Liverpool and Everton have been playing better football this season and they deserve to be ahead of us.

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Yeah agree. I do think we have had some bad luck though injury wise all season which has had an impact. It's crazy that we lose both our central defenders today it's just mad. As for moyes contrary to what god may think I have implied but not not said! I do think we have to wait and see what he can buy in the summer and see how we are next season. I don't believe we can keep saying it however through every transfer window for the next 3 or 4 seasons not if we want to be catching up . Because that's what we are doing now . We need to be getting the players we want or the ones as plan b if not and getting on with it in the summer then challenging . I will always support the manager and the players at the game as I did when we were crap under sexton etc and early on under Fergie no booing from me unlike some.But it does not stop us being peed off amongst reds and letting off steam in an under business like way when things are not right.

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Sydney
Well done you got there eventually, Liverpool, Everton city Chelsea and arsenal all look better than us this season .

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At least Moyes is signing top players, so even if he does get the sack further down the line, whoever the new manager is will inherit a top side. I had nightmares we would sign Leon Osman :)

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Got where eventually?

It's a fact that we are not playing well and don't deserve to be above the teams above. When have I ever said any different?

Our confidence under Moyes is tragically low and I am not sure the players can overcome it in time to turn our season around.

Unless we beat Fulham, Arsenal & Palace, I can't see us getting into the top four. Our slump is just not ending. We can play better, but we are not.

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01 Feb 2014 17:04:09
We've absolutley no luck. Liverpool win tomorrow and we can say goodbye to champions league football next season. Cleverly welbeck and young should be nowhere near that team

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Luck? Luck? same word over and over, there is no such thing as luck, you either win or lose. We lost due to bad tactics not luck.

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01 Feb 2014 17:03:59
clueless moyes you are turning man u into rubbish another record broke by another team we should win yes we had injuries but look at the start team clev young are you serious and what makes it worse you bring that blind donkey welbeck on instead of fletcher which would be better option they should have a phone in to voice the true Manchester United fans opinion forgot to mention THANKYOU for turning us into a worse team than everton when you were there

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01 Feb 2014 17:03:56
poor is a understatement.
i'm not a big fan of sacking managers, but, moyes is not right for utd.
He has to go and find a replacement who can put us back where we where. I bet Fergie is puling his hair out.This team won the league last year now they look like no hopers

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01 Feb 2014 17:03:03
Come on then all of you Moyes apologists, come and give me a lecture on how I should get behind Moyes, and how I am not a real fan because I want him sacked, I wouldn't let him on the coach.
10 defeats FFS!

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01 Feb 2014 17:01:30
So Moysie says he wants to build an exciting team for the future? Did he say when that was?

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Did he say which team, I didn't think he meant stoke.

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Big difference between want and can

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You are right he can't, sack him

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01 Feb 2014 16:45:59
I can't be the only one that thinks Moyes must go. We're the champions and we look rubbish.

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10 defeats for Moyes, possibly 9 points off 4th place, we will not make champs league, yet another team beat united for the first time in years, this time 30 years.

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You're not the only one, but fergie made it quite clear in his recent interview that Moyes is going nowhere. So, k think for now, we have to see what he can do.

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Think he needs to man up and walk! Destroying our great club in 7

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Ive said it from day one wrong choice he is crap

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Seconded, but when will everyone see the light, but hey we could win the champs league.

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Agree. same squad and has spent 70m tactics, subs are baffling

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Agreed.

Can someone seriously tell me why he didn't bring Fletcher on for the injured Jones?
That would have been far the better choice then Rooney (who I don't care what anyone says cannot play CM) would've stayed up and kept the balance.

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So all the forwards back, plus Mata. Still can't get a tune out of this team. Why is there such a big pro Moyes fan base on this site? Now that top 4 is out of the question I would rather see us go all out for Klopp and give him the rest of the year to eye up summer targets. I certainly don't think Moyes should be allowed to spend the money!

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Unfortunately I agree with you, I think he is out of his depth at utd. I also cannot understand what he possibly sees in tom cleverly who is without doubt the worst football player to everstart for utd. He genuinely should never play or even be seen in a utd shirt again just because he is homengrown doesn't mean he deserves to play.Moyes decision makin and team selection really is atrocious.I would love to see him succeed but there's only so much you can watch your team lose without asking questions and when you have Rooney, Rvp, Mata, Kagawa, Hernandez, at your disposal excuses can't keep coming.Other clubs are doing so much more with so much less.The problem lies with moyes.

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Careful lads, the Moyes fans will be screaming that you're not real supporters, you should get behind the manager and if you don't like the way we're playing go and support Chelsea or City! Can't just blame the players, Moyes hasn't a clue. He's even just said on TV that we played well today! Priceless!

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Thats sickening OT7, I have no idea what he was watching.

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01 Feb 2014 16:40:26
Moyes is making every other team look good, this is stoke!

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Eric, we have had two injuries to our CB's and they've had a deflected goal. Things not going our way at the moment.
I think fourth place was unlikely, but after today, all chances have disappeared.
I had thought we will finish 5th and unfortunately, this looks like the best position we can achieve.

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Fifth?No chance mate, seventh at best.

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I'd love to see Moyes sacked.
It's frustrating to see what is happening.
A manager needs luck to be successful, he has none.
He dropped arguably out best player in Januzaj.
If you look closely most of the matches we lost, it was because we played players out of position.
Fletcher should've played in the centre.
Thank god we have Michael Keane with us given the defensive injuries we have had

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You make your own luck, everything he is touching turns to crap, he has been there long enough, I have not seen one thing to make me think he is the one we should believe in, maybe he should have started fletcher and jones on the bench, I am telling you he is clueless.this is what it will be under Moyes all the time just like it was under Everton, good result followed by bad.

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Nomidfield, we may have had two injuries, but the squad is not good enough! If we identified people in the summer, why were these deals not done? We need a CB, why was this not achieved with Garay or Manalga, we needed a LB, surely the Contreao deal could have been done? We needed a CM, Herrera, Vidal etc, why not in place?

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01 Feb 2014 17:16:42
So we made a massive opportunistic signing this window in Mata, but without addressing our key problems. Central midfielders like Charlie Adam are looking like Zidane against us.

The assumption from most posters is that we will spend big in the Summer. Question is, if it was your money would you trust David Moyes to spend about £100m of it?

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Shano, I never wanted him in the first place and was totally against him and still am.
I've said before he is totally clueless.
But what I said is that the powers that be, ie Ferguson, says he's going nowhere.
I will be the happiest man in the world if we sacked him now and got in a stop gap replacement. And before the pro moyes brigade start asking who? Anyone will do a better job.
We have to go out and get a manager who has won and has the know how. Mourinho, ancelotti were both available and they're not anymore. But there are others out there. Klopp will be my choice.
Lastly, I hate all this "we were unlucky" excuses, we are better than that. And while we're at it, we have to give credit to Charlie Adams on the fantastic strike.

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01 Feb 2014 16:35:17
It amazes me how Cleverley even gets a game in the Premiership no matter at Manchester United! He is a crab it is unreal how many times he just passes it 5 yards to the side. Useless.

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01 Feb 2014 16:27:37
I think we will be forced to play the youngsters in defence now, unless Rio and vidic make quick recoveries. I am a fan of Michael Keane, does anyone know if we can recall him from loan?

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01 Feb 2014 15:58:14
Why has Moyes got the defence sat so far back? They should be pushing up which inevitably pushes the midfield up, which gives the attack more support.

This is very simple stuff.

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He is clueless and negative, back to normality under moyes

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I don't think its Moyes, it seems to be the teams idea to sit back. I remember someone asked SAF last year why the team sat back instead of attacking and he said he didn't know because he never asked them to do it.

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Probably a combination of the ridiculous wind, Carrick having to play centre back, and the United team naturally playing that way?

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And you're right Sydney. We've all been saying it but we keep doing the same thing.

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Ruud, I am talking about before Jones went off. It was a negative set-up and that's why we aren't creating any chances. It's really not rocket science.

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No point blaming Moyes, it's all down to the players.Do you think Everton defended like that?.Obviously not or he wouldn't of even been considered for the job.

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Paul if the manager is not to blame then why do we pay him £6m a year. It's 100% his job to get the best from this team. and he has failed miserably. He needs to go!

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It pains me to see us hoofing the ball around like a sunday team, Smalling was guilty of that far too much. Even in the first half we were doing it.

The squad looks stagnant. Players who have bad games are being rewarded by starting subsequent matches. All in all it gives off the impression of a man and his coaching staff who are out of their depth. and you can't blame them, they aren't world class, that's why Everton were never world class. This is why he should never have gotten the job, but he did. Onwards and upwards (hopefully.)

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01 Feb 2014 14:04:01
Hi pals
A first time poster but a long time reader.
I am really disappointed with the january transfer wundow. It's really amazing we are'nt able to attract big names to old Trafford.
But for I am particularly happy that we're only after quality players all the while.
Ed 002 if you could help. Did we really refused to sighn because we didn't get the right players or we're just building up for the summer.
Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - It is much more difficult to do business in January - they will be working on the summer deals now.}

01 Feb 2014 15:19:46
Kallstrom out injured already? Arsenal really have had no luck this window.

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01 Feb 2014 15:15:00
Finally Jones and smalling together at cb, waited a long time for this! Hope they do a good job

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Always something to stop this happening ffs.

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That lasted long!

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And Jones is out.

Moyes is getting his fair share of bad luck. As a matter of fact, he' s having many people's fair share of bad luck

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Perhaps now Moyes will understand why we'be all been crying out for Garay for the last 2 windows.

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I definitely jynxed that one!
Can anyone tell me the injuries? Where they bad tackles/ awkward landings or just a pull of a muscle?

I'd be interested to know how many injuries are due to strains and pulls this season tbh

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01 Feb 2014 14:45:59
Getting excited they are calling Mata, Rooney, RVP the new holy trinity. 3 points today is all that counts.

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Well that was not the holy trinity for sure.

Terrible first half with the injuries as it looks like we are now forced to play a certain way and can do very little tactically.


Don't understand the substitution of Welbeck but then again the whole first had sucked and could not have gone any worse.

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Cgu, we don't seem to be getting any luck either. It all even out in the end, so hopefully, we can turn it round in second half.
Problem is central defence, we have no defenders left!

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Hate to say it again. Welbeck is a waste of time, money and space.

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Relax! The mighty Moyes has a plan!

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DM breaking all the records as I write this. Quite disgusted to be honest.

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God
Anyone would think your glass was half empty!

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01 Feb 2014 15:09:33
Cleverley and Carrick in midfield and Smalling playing at RB.

Seems Rafael isn't in Moyes' plans and it seems Carrick and Cleverley are first choice midfield.

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Why is Clevs suddenly first choice

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Did the same last year syd under saf against them with smalling playing rb. it is because they are big upfront and rafael will struggle against crosses.

Terrible bloody conditions, goals today will be difficult and most likely from broken play.

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We are having no luck this season so far. Adam shot going well wide and another Carrick deflection leads to fluke a goal. MU don't pay what Benfica want for Garay and now we are without Ferdinand, Vidic, Jones & Evans. It's been a tough season.

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I think Smalling at rb was to get more height against stoke but it didn't work anyway now since Evans as gone off and so is Jones. What other team in the top 10 would take Cleverley or Carrick in midfield.

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Fletcher is better than both of them

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I think Cleverley and Carrick have always been first choice. What other pairing has been featured the most when fit?

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Makes sense seems Stoke are giants, but we will need to keep an eye on the Rafael situation. Duncan Castles has some very good sources.

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Evans is always injured. While Jones is so wholehearted that he gets a lot of injuries too. We badly needed cb in the window but I don't think we were going to pay what Porto are asking for mangala.
Vidic and Ferdinand have not figured much, so we really needed another cb. Interesting to see what Moyes does now. Can we recall Keane from his loan spell?

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Seeing stokes second is exactly why the manager did not play rafael to start with. Aweful defending.

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01 Feb 2014 14:23:59
Kagawa not even in squad for game against Stoke is he injured cause if not he's rotting away. Surprised he didn't leave tbh a great professional and always speaks highly of the club despite his poor treatment

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I suspect that the game will be too physical for him, hence the decision

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01 Feb 2014 14:19:30
not to impressed with the team he's got out today clev on teamsheet flecther on bench young playing januzaj on bench but at least we got mata rooney rvp playing

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01 Feb 2014 13:32:50
Looking forward to the summer already. Sure DM will be backed to build his own team and there'll be quite a few exits. Don't think it would be fair to wholey judge moyes on this season alone. Who would everyone like to see arrive in the summer?
Vidal
Reus
Shaw
Would be perfect for me. Surely it's time for jones and smalling to be our cb pairing?

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If we get champions league football, and both Gundogan and Kroo have yet to extend their contracts, I believe one of them will be a manchester united player.

I also see Coentrao joining, and one of Mangala/ Otamendi.

I'm not too sold on Vidal, I really don't think Juventus want to lose him, and with guaranteed serie A titles and a champions league spot, why would they let him go? And I don't see him pushing for a move either

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Need 2 cm. Will take any of the below.

Herrera, Gundogan, Vidal, Kroos, Modric, Fabregas

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01 Feb 2014 13:58:41
Watching Tyne/Wear Derby and I got to say Sunderland's left back Alonso is quite impressive, or may be am just used to our not so impressive ones

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What channel is that on?

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And Adam Johnson, brilliant

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01 Feb 2014 12:18:43
I would be interested in the Eds comments on the unprecedented number of loans completed on the final day and how or whether they believe this presages a fundamental change in the youth development structure. I have a sense that SAF was hanging on to a model that was no longer producing players of top four premier league quality at a satisfactory rate.

Going back to Ngiak's earlier email, is the clear out part of not so much a manifestation of a selling club, but of a wholesale reorganization, predicated on competing in the contemporary environment, the extent of which could never have been undertaken while SAF was in charge?

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{Ed002's Note - The loan system works to get players experience at a higher level than reserve teams. And it works well.}

Youth level football in this country is a joke in terms of developing players enough, hence why people keep saying about following the Spanish model and having B teas in the league.

These loans are to see who can cope at a higher level and to shop widow the ones the management aren't sure off.

United have loads of kids and the lower classes need to push on to the higher levels which they can't do if they have players in the way which may not make it.

In that sense selling club, hmmm maybe but not for the reasons Ngiak/ Gan was speculating.

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01 Feb 2014 12:04:20
We have about 15-20 players out on loan in various leagues along with Jesse Lingard & Michael Keane who are with us currently.

Who among all those are good enough to be in our squad in the near future?
Anyone who follows the academy please answer.

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Powell, Lingard, both Keanes definitely.

Maybe Thorpe or a couple of others have a chance.

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Also ekangamene will be in time.

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From the academy, Goss, Wilson and Pereira stand out.

Reserves, I see Lingard and Keane becoming squad players, a la Cleverey. But all of the other need a loan to prove themselves.

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I also thought larnell cole had the potential to play for the first team shame we have let him go as he was ace last season when we won u21 title. Also like the look of Henriquez and from what I've seen of Varela it looks like he would be the perfect understudy for rafeal in the near future

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01 Feb 2014 12:02:40
Rooney, RvP, Mata and Januzaj would mean no place for Valencia and Young.

Do you guys that Moyes will ever play without hardworking/defence helping wingers?

Cant see that happening, at least not this season.

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01 Feb 2014 12:37:00
He'll keep them as its a squad game and they offer a plan b approach.

I know both aren't the most popular players on here (but then someone always gets the dunces cap and the abuse) but I think they do have something to offer over a 50-60 game season, especially whilst we have to overhaul the defence and midfield and work the most talented youngsters up the ranks as eventual replacements.

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I think in time we will see us playing 4231, or something similar. I think the signing of Mata only reinforces that idea. However, to play that system consistently requires two dependable full backs. We don't currently have that. Rafael and Evra are both good going forwards, but are not good enough defensively to play that system. Rafael has time to improve that side of his game, and may remain first choice, though I wouldn't be surprised to see a new right back come in the summer. Evra is as food as gone. I know many posters have stated Moyes for sticking with 442 most of the time, but I honestly think that when he has got the players in that he wants, we will see a more modern and flexible approach. Hopefully we will see those players arrive in the summer

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01 Feb 2014 11:25:19
There seems to be a constant moaning by some posters and looks like the glass is always half empty in their life. I can understand it when there is an intelligent argument but not when you read some of the dribble that comes with it.

We have just thankfully closed a transfer window that has proven very challenging for all teams with the best signing of anyone and if you want proof, A team like monaco with all its money could only muster a Berbatov as a replacement for Falcao.

We have our best players almost back and also our key summer signing, who is a lot better than what some on here have people believe.

Finally, the same people who moan and groan used to promote the following theories that have now been shot in the ass and I wonder what they will come up with next.

1. We don't have money and the club is just trying to fool the supporters
2. We will not spend more than x specific amount on any one player
3. The owners are not interested in success on the pitch (ridiculous statement)
4.The manager will not be able to attract top players
5. etc etc

I guess the last door people can hide behind is that finishing outside top 4 will impact out ability to attract the right players in the summer.

In a way I would like us to finish outside (we won't) just to prove that theory wrong, because thereafter they would have to shut the hell up and go into hiding for a long time.

Phew got hat off chest, now time to put on some bets and enjoy the day.

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Another excellent post GCU.

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Great post, agree with everything. One of the best players for the last 2 seasons, who was playing for a team who can win the league has joined us when there are no guarantees of finishing 4th so to suggest utd can no longer attract big names is absolute rubbish.

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Firstly I think most people never felt we didn't have the money it is precisely the opposite. We have always had the money it's just that the lovely generous owners have always either sucked it up to pay the debt they put us in or take millions to pay themselves management fees! They will have to spend another 100m or more to get the team up to scratch to try and make success on the pitch something they did want to do before (spend mor than 25 mil in a window) They have needed to spend bigger than they have for a number of years because it has been obvious to most people that they have needed to add to the midfield for at least the last 4 years . If they had paid top money for top players perhaps we would not be in the crap we are in now. Even some of the smaller clubs have spent more than us over the last few years. They are spending now because the other option is let it get worse and the value drops and they will be forced to sell and they make less profit or we end up like Leeds . Yes they will want us to do well because it makes them money. Nothing else!

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Why do you wear a hat on your chest? Good post though, hopefully we already know our summer business.

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Like you said GCU, its the usual names saying the usual things.

The club made its best effort in a difficult window. Mata is an excellent signing and a great start to build on.

Now let's get top 4, and add to that in the summer when the players we need become available, or rather their clubs are willing to sell at a price.

One thing is for certain that, Moyes will not settle for lesser quality players just to add numbers.

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I agree. I'm generally happy with the transfer window. Mata will give us a lift and if the right CM and LB weren't available in Jan I'm glad we didn't settle for less. We have plenty of squad players, what we need is top quality in certain positions. There can be no excuses this summer. I'm also glad we've sent a load of kids out to get experience. When you look at the quality of players that actually moved in Jan we did great business in landing a player like Mata. Chelsea aside, our main rivals failed to land their touted targets.

Lets hope for another 3 points today and a good show from Mata, Rooney and RvP.

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Sorry, but I have to take issue with 1 point. Fellani is clearly better than we have seen from him in a Untited shirt, but he has been awful since he signed. I have no reason to believe that overcoming a wrist injury will improve him.

I sincerely hope that I'm wrong.

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Pancho

You have less business sense than a guy running a hotdog stand. Like I said glass is always half empty with some of you guys.

In Hope

LOL just fast fingers mate.

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I take that as a compliment. I am a united fan not a businessman. I didn't go to business school to busy watching united. However you don't need to be to understand that they have taken millions out of the club to pay off debt they put us in and take money to pay themselves for doing what exactly. Yes it's their business so they can take what they want so they should say that don't disguise it as management fees when they do jack . Which bit don't you understand about that? Or am I missing something here? They have not spent what they could/should have done in the last few years and I believe they are doing it now because the other choice is we fall apart and they will lose money. The sensible business approach would have been to add to the squad over years with quality players to keep it going not have to spend the amount we will now and hope it goes ok.

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It is the part you don't get by your own admission.

"They are spending now because the other option is the value will come down and they will be forced to sell or end up like Leeds"

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Wow cgu. Mr angry today. I think Pancho has a point as well as the other posters too. I think Pancho is right in saying that the glazers are only investing now to protect their money. They realise that the footballing side is totally connected to the sponsorship side of the club. Neither of them will work without the other.
I think the mata capture has been superb, but it is nothing more than we should be expecting of our club. We should be competing for the best players and hopefully that will be the case.
One last point, I respect all views posted. So I don't see why we should crtisize the person writing any post, you can crtisize their views, but to mock their business acumen is not our place. I am lucky to have started a business 30 years ago that employs substantial number of people, but I don't claim to know anything at all about running a football club. So, let's give Pancho a break.
Good luck to United today, rvp, Rooney, mata, januzaj in a front line is pretty damn good. Add a couple of central midfielders and a good CD and we will all be happy. United we love and United we stand.

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GCU.
Just because it now looks like the glazers are prepared to splash the cash it doesn't mean it's been like that for the previous 7 years.
With the Mata deal we finally went in for a top player with no messing about, put money on the table and paid the required amount .
I think there has been a change in attitude at the top imo

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God
I do get it obviously as I said it. That doesn't mean it's ok to waste a billion on debt and move on as if everything is ok because all of a sudden they spend . Mata is a great signing but this should have been happening anyway. I would rather have my glass half full than think its full and have my head surrounded by sand that what's called deluded. If that's great business minded no wonder the worlds economy is in a mess

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Nomid

Not angry but just tired of reading dribble. The window has been closed for a matter of hours and people start posting stuff that has no resemblance to real life. It is not Fifa Manager where you get coins to go spend for christ sake.

We have 15 games left and by the looks of it our squad looks to be getting key players back.

Plenty good from here to make a decent season out of it and the and fix what needs fixing to most extent in the summer.

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Sorry if I miss spell or miss words but all my posts are done on my I phone not a lap top or whatever. Not a businessman u see.

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{Ed007's Note - Don't worry about that pancho, as long as your post is readable after all it's not an English exam site.}

Thanks for your support no-mid but I have been having these arguments for years at the match so I can look after myself but thanks.

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GCU seems to have an agenda to be aggressive to posters who are not or yet to be convinced by the owners or manager, his aim seems obvious and I don't understand why GCU gets personal unless he is desperate to dismiss non believers from the site.

To the main point, anyone who knows anything about change management knows it almost always needs pain to make a major change. The pain for the owners is pretty obvious because after the Sunderland game the team short comings could no longer be hidden, it became blindingly obvious they had to make a point and had to invest. We should all applaud the Mata deal, top player. However we are still a long way short and they still have a lot to prove, just like the manager.

Let's hope for a win today, on that we should all agree.

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God
I am tired of reading rubbish from people who think that nothing has happened in last nine years that have affected the club the good odd good signing or not. I think the word god is going to your head mate .

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01 Feb 2014 11:21:29
Happy 30th birthday to Darren fletcher. Just so happens he is also the right choice to start in CM along with Phil jones. The two of them could allow DM to play his big four with sufficient coverage. If DM has the balls to do it, it could be the first look at an attacking four we could have enormous future success with assuming we fill the spots behind them.

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Yep I think we need Fletch in there today, seems strange to say that after everything he has had to go through. Kudos to him for working so hard to return. I wonder if Fellaini is almost ready?

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Absolutely. Darren is a fantastic player and gives his all. A true professional and a credit to himself and his family.
I hope he can recapture the form he had before his illness and let's hope he recoversas much as possible.

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His contract is up this summer I believe. It would be interesting to see what we do.

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01 Feb 2014 10:48:22
Anyone else see the tv reporter who reported on us last night as he signed off? Said something along the lines of 'old Trafford fans will have to wait until the summer where that window will be something to marvel at' interesting that he would be as confident to say that.

Well unless the guy that gave him tea from OT just said that to him for a laugh haha

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Yeah I saw that. He is probably just sensationalising it but he is fairly local and used to cover the sport for north west news so hopefully he does know something.

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Jono, it's no secret we will be spending a lot of cash in the summer and it's no secret Moyes wants to bring in the best players. With the likes of Hernandez, Nani, Kagawa & Anderson all being sold in the summer, Evra, Vidic, Giggs & Ferdinand all of the wage bill too, there is certainly room for 4-5 top players. I expect many of the youth on loan now will be sold on too.

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Did not see any of it but no doubt we will have major signings in the summer.

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Really Sydney? No secret? Either you're privy to top secret information or you're just playing your usual game of quoting your own opinion as fact.

Perhaps you have forgotten to factor Champions League football into the equation. As you say, Moyes wants to get the best players in and those players want to be playing in the Champions League. I think it would be a good idea to see how the rest of the season pans out before getting a little excited over pure speculation.

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01 Feb 2014 10:35:09
Do the loan players have to be
played by their new teams?

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{Ed002's Note - You cannot force a team to play someone.}

01 Feb 2014 09:38:04
Let's stop complaining mata was a good but, still believe there is a lot to come from fellaini. All we can do is get behind them. DM wants to buy a cm of world reputation which would be difficult in this window. We were lucky to get mata (thanks to his situation at chelsea) It's a project and expect more in the summer DM knows he needs to buy and there is cash available 4 that

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01 Feb 2014 07:32:47
To say that ngiak is disappointed is an understatement
Not solely because is a lack of transfers but the pieces don't fit
Yes a 'big' and expensive player is brought in
Theoretically more are supposed to follow
The official reason is a rebuilding of a new moyes team
And using that excuse players are all thrown out
All useless? Not moyes players? Total clear out?
Or. To recoup the cost? And save money?
The incoming players seemed to be identified during the winter break on Europe or even at the end of last year august transfer window
In fact, it seems to ngiak the focus this season is to find buyers for everyone. Their main priority
Before bothering to find players to come in
Then ngiak wonders why it takes so long to bring these players in?
Inefficient? Trying to cut the fees? Bungling?
Or. Waiting to sell players like nani and evra and Hernandez and vidic etc to have funds to get the new players.
ngiak is still bewildered
He constantly has this impression and sensation
That there is a lot of wool being put over his keen eyes
A lot of undercurrent turmoil with the staff and?owners?
The silence is deafening and the transfer policies baffling
Are we now a selling club ngiak wonders? Or a club who MUST sell to buy?
Despite our huge revenue generation?
Where is all the money going to?
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I think it was always going to be about letting players have a chance under Moyes. As far as he see's it, he took over a title winning squad. Miyes is hardly a massive name manager wise so for m to come in during the sumer and tell half the squad that their days are numbered, it would have been detrimental to the team. Now he has given everyone a chance. He has started shipping out and touting the players he don't want. He made to big money signings to show the world and prospective players that United are still in business. Yes we need at least five more players but if we went for them all now they would cost a bomb and there is a chance they won't gel straight away. he'd brought two players with proven epl experience to start with, so they can slot right in. We have left the7 and 9 shirts free still. These will be filled. Maybe Adnan will take 7 though. We were never goi g crazy in jan. As hard as it is, we have to take this season as a learning curve. Wait for the summer. Gota feeling we will be a lot happier then.

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Not sure you can justify much of what you just said mate. We won't know until the summer what the plans are, moyes has said that's when the business will be done and who he wants. I think we are all in agreement we needed to get rid of a lot of the deadwood.

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Debt service.

But we will need to wait until the summer to determine whether or not we are having the wool pulled over our eyes. If there are not at least 2 top acquisitions in positions everyone knows need filling, then clearly the Glazers are not serious about competing in the transfer market with the big money clubs.

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01 Feb 2014 06:58:27
Although, it has been a tough season so far for everyone associated with Man United especially the fans, I like the fact that DM is not panicking and trying to go about his job.

He seems to have a plan and a vision of his future Man United team and seems to be moving towards it.

First transfer window was a mess and thanks largely to Ed Woodward but, Mata's signing in this window is wonderful and no panick buys, which is really good.

The one thing which worries me is we are short in the midfield area due to some injuries, hope we get everyone fit and injury-free for the rest of the season and have a good run of games.

The other thing worrying is the fact that United will get serious competetion for the players they are targeting in the summer and add to that inflated prices of some of the players if they have a good World cup. Will we be able to secure our primary targets? Unless United are prepared to pay what it takes(take Mata's case) to bring in quality, it shouldn't be much of a issue.

Hope we add some real quality to the team in the summer and hopefully we finish in the top 4 this season.

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01 Feb 2014 06:28:50
Random post. I know we are all committed to our team but I also love watching the ups and downs of other teams and seeing how things evolve.

I've always had a soft spot for Villa since they got promoted with us in '75 and I predicted they would finish in the top half this year. I like Lambert and it's good to see them currently out of danger.

I love Ole but tbh, Vincent Tan deserves everything he gets after sacking Mackay, they are going down.

Big Sam is held up as a good manager and whilst he did well at Bolton he has done nothing since. For a man with such a poor track record he seems to have an inflated opinion of himself. I'm hoping they go down. Brucie on the other hand gets little credit but has generally done pretty well everywhere he has been. Keeping Hull up would be a stunning achievement.

The biggest surprise so far though has been Pulis at Palace. They lost something like 9 of their 1st 10 games but he's dragged them put of the relegation zone.

2 other people who are doing brilliantly. Mclaren at Derby and Billy Davies at Forest. McLaren was never an England manager but he's clearly a great coach and after what Davies did at Derby, he's now doing it at Forest.

So who have you been impressed with so far this year?

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Pellegrini at City, his calm assurance has seen them play as a team and also show some wonderful football scoring a net full of goals. Potentially they could win the lot although I don't think they will. It is funny that he was maligned on here and deemed a worse choice than the one we made whilst overlooking his experience. Let's see if it turns into the trophies they are looking for but he has given the fans entertaining football beyond what we have seen since over the last 4 years

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I agree with Cardiff going down. I think Ole's transfer deigns are puzzling and worried for him and hope he does not burn bridges.

I also think Pullis would be my candidate for manager of the season if he keeps it going as the turnaround has been unbelievable.

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Martinez, Pardew and whoever manages Leicester

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01 Feb 2014 02:57:12
Massive massive massive thanks to the Eds for all their work in another entertaining window. I really appreciate it. I remember seeing Ed002's long post regarding United's January window and going and making a coffee and getting comfortable to (un)enjoy it. We'll never know how you know all these things but once again, you seem pretty spot on. Looking forward to August.
p.s - really gutted by the lack of (*) spotted at Manchester Airport rumors of late. Where have all the clowns gone?

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01 Feb 2014 00:07:59
You know guys it was fun while it lasted, but do you really think we were IN (made an offer) for Toni Kroos?

Moyse was snapped talking to his agent (who represents other players as well eg Reus) at a game and some journo links it to Kroos unhappiness at his pay, next we're favourites to sign him. After 12yrs as a PL manager Moyse will know just about every agent on the planet, they were probably talking about the weather FFS.

If you were Kroos would you leave mid-term when barring a total meltdown you'll cruise the league, probably the cup and are one of the favourites to retain the ECL? You might if, like Mata, your manager wasn't picking you but Koos has played most games for Bayern.

Hope that hasn't burst too many bubbles.

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Never expected him to come now, hopefully in the summer.

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01 Feb 2014 02:08:11
How January turned out:

Man City - brought no one in
Arsenal - Kallstrom
Chelsea - Matic, Salah, Zouma in
Mata, Essien, De Bruyne out
Liverpool - no one
Tottenham - no one new
Everton - McGeady, Traore, Stanek
Man Utd - Mata

All in all, comparatively speaking, a good window. We got the best player. Very glad to see that Man City did not get Mangala and Fernando, and Liverpool did not get Konoplyanka.

Granted, we did not get the help we hoped for at LB and CM. Now it's time to see how everything else comes into play - form, injuries, cohesion, momentum, and surely, plenty of drama.

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It just makes me wonder what will happen with our supposed targets in the summer if they all have great world cups. If Vidal is really one of the very best in his position then surely other, more attractive teams will be in for him too? I know Madrid and Munich can't have every world class player (try as they might) but I worry that we'll see them courted by other clubs in the next window.

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Roman that is always going to be a risk but it could also be that progress has already been made towards targets. I am fairly happy to have signed a player of mata's quality coupled to the return of rooney/rvp/fellaini/fletcher to first team action. Its fairly obvious moyes will be better positioned for this summer and lots of work will be done towards recruiting the players identified. I think we will be ok this summer ;)

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01 Feb 2014 00:00:15
According to tv there, Nani's out for 6 weeks injured. Someone upset with no loan moves you think or just bad timing??

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