Manchester United Banter Archive July 01 2013

01 Jul 2013 22:39:06
Cracking interview with Mike Phelan on 5live. He spoke about many things, Rooney amongst them, but what was most interesting was his response of "no comment" when asked about Ronaldo returning to Old Trafford. Don't judge me guys, a man can dream.

TK-Red

Probably did it for a laugh :-)

Brendan81

Its 90percent done he needs to ask to leave now he has got his house back in Cheshire and the no 7 shirt will be his also been told Lewinski is coming moyes we trust

Oh there's always one who can't wait to p!ss on the parade ;)

TK-Red

TK I want him back as much as you, if I was Phelan though, I would have done it for a laugh, to see how much reaction it got.

Brendan81

No Brendan. Just shush. I want none of that talk. Think only positive thoughts, man, and we can make it happen through sheer willpower. Plus I had a dream that he returned to OT last night, so it must be true; Nothing to do with that fact that I only listened to the interview late last night just before I went to bed. Though in the dream he was my best mate as well so when he does sign, party for everyone round CR7's gaff.

TK-Red

01 Jul 2013 22:00:15
Ok guys I have posted a rumour before but it was proved wrong to a certain extent, I posted about Adkins going and to put your money on leeds hiring him, well adkins left but all the unrest at leeds proved impossible to get any indication of a change.
Well now my uncle has told me, Bale, yes bring on the ridicule, does want out with United being his prefered destination.
Now wether Levy would sell to us is another conversation altogether, but he seemed quite adamant it could happen.
So not a rumour of such but more of an update on the perceived thoughts that he doesn't have a desire to come to united and there is apprent interest in him from our side too.
This wasnt a keep it to yourself convo either, it was just brought up up as if it was common knowledge.
I found it interesting, just thought i'd share.
Oh and my uncle is not just a bloke down the pub either or is he anything to do with United per say, he's just in that circle
CTR

Think you and your uncle have lost the plot! There's more chance of rvp being at spurs nxt season than bale at united!

Wot because u would no better no name?
If u took the time to read my post u will see I was not proclaiming Bale would join, simply he is interested.

01 Jul 2013 21:30:51
I find it pretty comical than people on here are getting all depressed that we have Round at United.

When in actual fact 90% of the people commenting about it don't even know what he looks like let alone how he's performed the last few years.

props to Red Man for giving a background on him. - even if it was a little negative.

If you've watched Round at Everton he has a very reserved approach because Moyes is the hands on guy.

Round will be nowhere near as important as the assistant was to SAF.

SAF wasn't the brightest when it came to tactics, now I believe Moyes is actually tactically very good.

so, let's just see how they do.

All of this no experience in Europe stuff makes me laugh, does that mean he's going to do bad?

I remember a Mr. Mourinho's first adventure into Europe.

The Moon.

Bloody well said Moon. So many doom and gloom merchants have come out today just because it's the start of the transfer window/DMs first day.

Jaxer

I agree with u moon if people look back I think everton was one of the best tactical teams in the league they new how to play us and get a result i'm confident we will do well under moyes I think people will be shocked how good we will be next season in yhe champions league

Dio1989

That's what we need, positivity and optimism! The fact is Moyes won't succeed if we don't get behind him, but if he gets our backing he will! Now everyone's saying these coaches aren't up to standard well look at it from this point, when moyes and his staff came into Everton they were relegation threatened and within a few year finished 4th! For me that's nothing short of incredible, he's never had the chance to work with any real worldclass players, now he is working day to day with the likes of kagawa, Van Persie, Rafael, Carrick, Vidic and jones! Also throw in the potential of thiago and zaha we've got a great team, with one or two shrude signings we will be back up there in Europe! So let's get behind our new manager and his staff!

If we could get a easy group it would be good as it is Davids season

Good tactically? Did you watch them against Wigan in the FA cup, they were totally outplayed tactically.
Also, they don't perfom against the top teams apart from us on the opening day of the season, where the tactics were to pump it long and get Fillaini to head on, elbow, punch, kick everyone in his way. Great tactics that is!
If you want tactics, then we should have hired Klopp, Mourinho, Pep, Hidink, Ancellotti and I can name a few more.
What we will get with Moyes and Round is a very solid team that will be difficult to beat, but tactics will not be their strong point.
Nomidfield

01 Jul 2013 21:09:10
Where is Ed004 these days? Missing your enthusiasim pal, hope you are keeping well :) {Ed004's Note - I'm fine}

Good stuff. Are you excited over the possibility of Thiago joining or worried the deal won't come off? Would like to think we can tie up at least a deal or 2 before we go on tour.

01 Jul 2013 20:27:54
do any of the eds or posters know if we have any interest in ross barkley?

01 Jul 2013 19:15:15
Thaigo wants a low price buy out clause if he doesn't get a certain amount of games

Tell him to do one

Brendan81

Given the lack of numbers in mid field - His concern should be how many games he will play not how few

Glad you're not negotiating the deal Brendan

01 Jul 2013 18:22:13
Today I fear for the worst as a bunch of mid-table backroom staff take control of our racehorses, led by a manager with no experience of dealing with quality or sophistication.

Having said that, the mess left behind for Moyes and Co is truly Augean.

Of the putative starting eleven, we have deficiencies in both central defensive positions, at left back, in all midfield positions bar Carrick and Kagawa and we have only one striker.

Good luck to one and all.

Lisdoonvanah

Cheer up mate. There's half full, half empty and then there's you, on a level of your own!

Wow makes me wonder if you have ever taken any notice of football before.
There is one thing for sure fatty ando and rooney won't be overweight next season they will certainly be as fit as is proper in multiple 10s of 1000s of £'s

01 Jul 2013 18:58:25
Christ. Cheer up! Champions! Enough said!

DanB

Deficiencies in both centre back positions?
ever heard of Nemanja Vidic? best cb in the world?
nah, you probably haven't
DJ.

Lisdoonvanah
You are obviously in the sport psychology business with your motivational skills you must be very busy!
I'd take 17th we must stay in the premier league if Moyes and his back room staff have us in the relagation battle come Xmas then we must replace him with Harry Rednapp!
We are doomed!
Dylan

You make Boarshawred and NoMidfield look like the Chuckle Brothers, mate.

Excellent response honey badger! I mean, we got hammered by Madrid and just sneaked the league! We need a whole new squad not a few quality additions! Who on earth kept Fergie as manager for this long? He's left us in a right mess. No promise for the future. Nothing. i'm devastated at what the next few weeks bring!

Adz

Who has rattled your cage Mr K? Only this morning, I posted that we've got to give Moyes a chance!
So optimism is my middle name. What's wrong with the chuckle brothers anyway!
Nomidfield

Nomidfield, I've noticed a more optimistic slant to your posts lately, which makes me think that. You sir, are an imposter!

Where is the real Nomidfield, and what have you done with him?

ps. wherever you're holding him captive - please keep him there til the transfer window is over, would you?

01 Jul 2013 16:38:31
Can someone please clarify, where exactly does Thiago play? Is he good enough to play as part of a midfield 2, or would he play as part of a 3? or is it somewhere else? behind a striker where Kagawa likes to play, or is he capable of playing inside left / right of a front 3?

RedDub

I don't think Carrick and Thiago could play in a midfield two against the better sides. Teams will flood the midfield and outnumber them. Also Carrick is not a defensive midfielder.

Sydney!

01 Jul 2013 18:08:19
He plays somewhere between Xavi and Iniesta. Xavi plays somewhere between and 6 and 8 where as Iniesta player somewhere between 8 and 10. So we could play with Thiago in the Xavi role and Kagawa in the Iniesta role. With Carrick behind them with Strootman if he signs being eased in to take over long term. The front three would need some work though. All the defence looks solid.

He is a central midfielder, fairly deep lying but he does like to break forward and get his goals.

He plays in midfield

He plays somewhere between 6, 8 and 10. Classic!

B*ggered if we have an afternoon game mind.

01 Jul 2013 20:18:09
Cm for me as part of a 2 or a3
Jred

01 Jul 2013 15:33:11
Hey all,

Exciting times lay ahead as I sit on my couch watching Wimbledon fantasizing about the transfer window and next season. A perfect summer for me would be Thiago, Strootman, Baines, and possibly Garay with Rooney staying.

My mates and I were discussing the tendency of footballers to to overreact and play act on any and all types of challenges. Too often players are rolling around on the floor clutching their leg as if it needed to be amputated. Most of the time, the player will roll around for a minute, look around to see if anyone is looking, if not, get up and magically that horrible injury isn't so horrible. This type of behavior only really happens in football.

We were comparing this type of behavior to America's NHL, National Hockey League, where players will take a frozen piece of solid rubber to the face at speeds that go over 150 kph, shatter their jaw, get up and continue playing. In comparison to football ice hockey is way more taxing on the body and those guys play three games a week and an 82 games a season. Sure they have some protective gear, but if you have ever seen an NHL those guys beat the sh*t out of each other game in game out.

After having a lengthy discussion we came up with a solution to get time wasting and play acting out of the sport, as most of the time these are the reasons players will simulate injuries.

In the case of a real injury, a player will go down and be helped off the field. A team official will look at the player and will be subbed if they cannot continue. In most cases, players will roll around on the ground and waste a tactical three minutes, get a drink, then hop up and continue play. In my opinion, I believe that FIFA needs to crack down on this type of behavior, because the game is simply better without it. Refs should have more of a say in deciding whether or not the player was simulating his injuries, giving a yellow to players who were faking it.

I don't know, something different other than the Roon debate, Sneijder misspellings, and ed begging. Although I really appreciate everything they do, as I have been addicted to this site for the past three year, I check it about five times a day.

Cheers,
Sparty On

I agree with you, the worst cases are when they get stretchered to the side line looking like they are dying then hop off magically the second they are off the pitch to help their team again.

This may seem a harsh punishment but what about once you have left the pitch for treatment etc then you cannot come back on?

Gaa in Ireland would kill most soccer players Iv often got hit on the back of the leg with a lumb of wood full force

I was talking to my brother about this, and 1 solution we had was for players to be treated by the opposition physio. This means that the physio will say whether they are acting or not, but if a physio says a player is fine but then it turns out he has a torn hamstring or something, then the physio's team get a small fine. Not the most thought out idea, but there is something to it.
Or we get Wimbledon back in the premier league to really hurt some of the diving players (our own included)

Jaxer

SpartyOn

Good idea, it works well in rugby amd would address all the feigning injury just to wast time. Tbh there is so much that hacks me off that could easily be fixed. Wrestling at corners, stealing 10 yards at a throw in, swearing and bawling at the ref. unfortunately, the FA, UEFA, and FIFA do not have the balls to do it.

Can't think of many footballers who would last in a game of rugby!

The one I hate the most is the way every throw in is contested by both teams, even when it's clear who the ball came off last! Gets my goat, lol.

The hole stoke team
caolan-2

01 Jul 2013 15:29:55
Ezekiel Garay will be a United player (hopefully by this weekend), Great signing. Thiago is currently on holiday. Once he's back he'll have his medical and sign paperwork. United still after one or two others. Haven't been lucky enough to get names yet sorry although purely based on guess work Baines is most likely one of them.

OT Ghost

01 Jul 2013 14:39:53
Felliani must b a target. If fletcher isn't returning
we will need a tough tackling midfielder Strootman
could come but we are so lightweight in the centre
we need at least 2. I have given up on Anderson
(get rid asap)



Bfro

U make some good points
i totally agree with your Anderson
comment but I think Fabregas and
Felliani are needed. If thiago comes
i don't think he defends that well so
as u say more steel is needed let's
hope D Moyes sees it aswell

SPACEY DAVE

I hope I've interpreted this wrong but you can't possibly want Fellaini instead of Thiago?!

I disagree, We've stuck by Anderson through all his woes. It's payback time.
I feel he could still come good. I know it's not the same but look at RVPs Arsenal Career, Plagued wiv injury. Give him 1 more chance as a bit part player for 1 season under a strict Moyes regime. I'm intrigued.

Thiago is not a box to box he
does not chase back he is
a cam very much like Kagawa.
Fabregas and Fellaini are
comfortable in cam cm and also
dm the type we need. Fellaini
would be a good buy aswell
as Thiago

Bfro

01 Jul 2013 13:46:13
So many post some valid and some utter ridiculous but that's life. Great to see eds posting again.

On another note welcome to Manchester Mr David Moyes, You have big boots to fill and many fans are already behind you on this emotional day as the greatest manager ever let's go of the Helm. So we got 2 Mths of who's who and guessing, so I hope this window will be busy in both directions.

So guys without prejudice who can we expect to leave.
And will the Thiago saga last must longer or will it be another Sneijder scenario

I think to leave will be Rooney, Nani, Anderson, Evra and possibly Lindegaard.

I believe Thiagos buyout clause goes back up on the 1st August, so we have until then to sign him up.

Ins, I think will be Garay, Strootman, Thiago, Baines and a replacement for Rooney but who that will be I don't know. I would love it to be Ronaldo and I still think it is a possibility but we will probably go cheaper. Maybe fight for Lewandowski or go for Jovetic possibly.


Brendan81

No body should leave till replacements are bought and i'm only expecting bains and fallaini to be signed

I know it's always a good idea to keep your expectations low but my god Boarshaw, even KLOOT is more optimistic than that :-)

Brendan81

01 Jul 2013 13:27:07
Happy enough with the new appointments. I would have prefered to see Rene stay in some capacity but that was his choice and I wish him well. I'd have like to have seeb someone come in with some european experiance too, but I understand the need for stability and that maybe Moyes needs the support of close assiociates while he settles into the biggest challenge of his career.

I'm starting to get excited and the feeling of forboding is shrinking away.

I can't wait for the new season to start so we can get behind a new manager and cheer the team onto hopefully more success.

01 Jul 2013 12:05:58
Did anyone else get caught out by the headline "New manchester united boss, David Moyes, makes three signings in one day". I thought it would be garay, thiago and strootman but instead it was about new coaching staff. I hate newspapers

JohnTheRedMaroon97

Ive heard roma are going for garay aswell.

Are they meant to be competition?


TRUMORS

01 Jul 2013 11:06:05
Ok something a bit strange on the official Manchester United page. Theirs a picture of David Moyes behind a desk. One of the comments for the picture is from an anonymous user, which is the user who runs the page. They've put a link up asking people to like a page asking who they'd prefer Ronaldo or Bale.

I hope this is just mischief making by a member of staff and were not going to bid for a player based on a fans vote!

Andyp MUFC

Ha ha I can't see that happening Andy :-) but i'm going to go vote for Ronaldo 5000 times just in case.

Brendan81

Can't see either bale or Ronaldo moving, both will get bumper pay rises and that will be end of it.

What a silly post, please tell me this is a wind up

dave

01 Jul 2013 10:19:00
Steve rounds officially appointed assistant manager. Thoughts?

Not surprising, not really that important either. Moyes is manager, Moyes will pick the team. SAF will be upstairs for the next season or two so we are okay.

Sydney!

It was an eventuality, but still a disappointment for me. Personally, I can't understand why Ray Wilkins is still out of the game? The United No. 2 position would have been perfect for Ray, and his quiet, polite speaking, well spoken way would have complimented Moyes' management style perfectly in my eyes.

WF Red Devil

I actually quite like Steve Round.

He's not as bad as Phelan but he isn't exactly a revolutionary tactician either.

he's been bought in simply because Moyes needs SOME of his own men round him and he's chosen one of the better men he had at Everton.

The Moon.

Agree with syd jus hope we sign the players we need and we should be fine
singh

We have had Phelan for years so i'm sure we'll be ok.

Brendan81

So first, we need a big guy up front so we can lump the ball to him, then we needy a bruiser in midfield with stupid hair so he can punch and elbow people due to his lack of talent. Then we need 7 hardworking players to ensure we don't lose many games. And there you go, ex Everton manager, ex Everton staff, new Manchester united team!

I'm not sure I'd say it's not important Syd! If the last 5 years of SAF's reign taught us anything, it's that a good number 2 is key.

TK-Red

TK, SAF wasn't a great tactician so needed help from the likes of Queiros, we do not know what Moyes is like with a decent bunch of players. But if he isn't a very good tactician then he shouldn't be our number one. Does Mourinho or AVB need a good number two? If the manager is a good enough tactician then the number two isn't important. I'm hoping Moyes is a good enough tactician and if that's the case then I do not think it matters who the number two is.

Sydney!

I agree Syd! But that is working on the assumption that Moyes is a good tactician; something, as you say, we don't know yet.

TK-Red

TK, exactly my friend. I have questioned one or two of DM tactical decisions in the past, but he may be different at MU. More positive for starters.

Sydney!

I have said all along that I'm hoping 'The Manchester United Way' is pressed upon David Moyes as opposed vice versa. He has made all the right noises so far but the proof is in the pudding.

TK-Red

01 Jul 2013 10:10:19
The buzz inside me has gone up a level! Can't wait for it all to get started again regardless of who we sign.

Welcome to Manchester United David Moyes.

01 Jul 2013 09:54:24
DM back from hols and the eds appear again-coincidence?

01 Jul 2013 08:55:38
lets see if we can go an whole day without talking about ROONEY.

08. 55 and you've ruined it already. Lol.

Do you think Rooney should stay or go??
Nomidfield

Hopefully all the rooney chat will end one way or another tomorrow when they meet, but can see a 'he is not for sale' comment regardless just to keep his value up
also, does anyone know what sort of condition he is in? pre-season soon if he has put a few back on then there's no way I see moyes keeping him

He was at Glastonbury this weekend with beer in hand so I guess he's not taking it that seriously.

what a Muppet. as if being a team mate of giggs isn't enough to inspire any footballer to look after themselves {Ed007's Note - I'm sure Giggs keeps the youngsters up to date with the latest contraception and how to go about getting super-injunctions. It's turning into women's gossip pages on here and now this shite about Rooney being at Glastonbury *shock horror* with a beer in hand. I bet you don't even know who was headlining Glastonbury this year but you know Rooney was there. What was Colleen wearing and how was she looking since giving birth a couple of weeks ago?}

01 Jul 2013 08:12:50
Welcome to Manchester Utd Mr Moyes
For a few seasons, supporters have been of the opinion Sir Alex wasn't spending big as he was saving the money to give his successor a big transfer kitty, and that he didn't invest in midfield as he wanted the new man to choose his own players. Although you did well at Everton on a low budget, you are now the manager of the biggest club in the world, with a strong tradition of bringing through excellent youngsters, but also being able to attract some of the biggest stars in the world. Whilst supporters are aware other clubs have sugar daddy's with no idea how to operate under FFP, you should not be as constrained as other clubs given the massive worldwide support providing you with the means to buy stars without breaching FFP rules. You will be welcomed, supported and loved, if you carry on the traditions of our great club.
Don't be afraid of the challenge, rise to it, embrace it, live it.
Cheers, Tookers.

Well said fella!

Brendan81

Good post but not sure that we're still attracting the best talent in the world, just loom at barca, bayern, Real, PSG, city, Chelsea and seven Monaco and you can see that the best talent are choosing to go elsewhere!

Last season Sir Alex bought Van Persie who was definatly one of the best strikers in Europe, and he could have gone almost anywhere else and started, but being a player who wanted to win trophies, he came to us, and that was all we needed to win back our title. So we can still attract great players but we don't want the mercenaries who won't love the shirt!

01 Jul 2013 07:29:14
heard united to complete Garey deal by Friday

Such exciting talent!

01 Jul 2013 01:07:36
There is an awful lot of Rooney Talk here. And everyone pointing the Finger so Quickly but nobody anked the what ifs.

WHAT IF

Rooney knew Moyes was joining and did not want to play under him ( Fair Point ) and he has a right to be angered

Rooney heard that united were not putting out for transfers and needed a Manager that would do it with Pennies ( Which I believe is true as Pep and Mourinho turned the Job down ) Then I say Kudos to him for doing it if THERE IS YET AGAIN NO TRANSFER KITTY.

I'm sure Rooney knows we need Midfileldersand if UTD ain't willing to Buy then why carry the pressure. Yrs and Yrs go bye and no sign of a kitty. OH WE NEED RVP TO WIN THE LEAGUE FOR SAF. If we had a midfield we PROB would have got the CL also

Pep and Mourinho did not turn the job down. They weren't even offered the job.

Pep and mourinho didn't turn us down, they weren't offered the job!

What a ridiculous post; I'm not even sure what your point is. utd didn't approach guradiola or mourinho and utd have spent plenty of money in recent years.

Wow, its a good job u left no name pal.
I can imagine the replies your gunna get, ill simply say, jose and pep never turned the job down! In order to do that they would have to been offered the job in the first place!
I must admit i'd be quite surprised if u were a utd fan at all, with ure level of knowledge i'd say scouser but u could quite easily be a chav fan too.
CTR

Congratulations of today's winner of most delusional no name post.

1. Rooney did not know SAf was leaving.
2. Ronney did not know Moyes was going to be the new Manager
3. Mourinho was never considered for the job.
4. No idea if Pep was considered but he was never offered the job. He had already agreed to Jin Bayern before SAF announced his retirement
5. Let's see how much money we spend before throwing our toys out of the pram.

01 Jul 2013 07:34:59
Clutching at straws here mate. No one knew Sir Alex was retiring except Gill and Sir Alex's family. Rooney certainly didn't. Also your asuming Rooney cares about the club like a fan would, Rooney only cares about himself. Rooney has obviously felt out of sortd this season, which has been very stop start for yim due to his fitness issues. Rooney has two years left on his contract and was trying to position himself into getting a new bigger deal. Sir Alex knew this and blew him out of the water.

The latest info seems to be Rooney wants to sign a new deal but won't consider a pay cut. Do you think based on last seasons performance he is worth a new 4/5 year deal for 225k a week? Of course not, and now his agent has put out the feelers and found that no one but PSG would match his current salary. And Rooney wants to stay.

This whole Rooney debate has come from what Sir Alex has stated Rooney had said in his office. And Rooney only said that so he could get more money.

So if Wayne wasn't so money grabbing then even after his poor season most people would expect him to be at the club next season. But he himself has brought this whole situation on himself.

You could be right. And I would not blame him if he did leave. Our footballing ambition at this club is at question at the moment. We've recruited a mediocre manager, and all the transfer hype has come to nothing so far.
also, it is worrying that some of our fans say fifa whenever we suggest buying a top player! Do our fans not have the ambition to win at football and be the best? Cause players like garay Strootman young valencia nani Anderson are not the quality we need! That's not fifa or motd, it is just a fact!

Poor Wayne, some analysis there, I am going to get a box of tissues out :)

Shahram

So we are a midfield away from winning the champions league but year after year we don't sign anyone that we need!

What a silly post.

Quite a few miles wide of the mark!

HB

Not bothered about mourinho, but shame we didn't offer pep the post. Anyway, water under the bridge now, let's see what Moyes has to offer.
Nomidfield

01 Jul 2013 11:46:54
first no name so your suggesting that fat wayne should have had final say in the choice of manager? How stupid. And you missed the hundred million spent in the last two years. Second no name you need to stop playing fifa. The rest of us have plenty of ambition. Bertie Wooster