Manchester United Banter Archive June 01 2013

 

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01 Jun 2013 23:40:46
As far as a defensive midfielder is concerned how about Maxime Gonalons, can also play further forward and at centre back

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An excellent player but one who has said he only wants to leave Lyon for either Real Madrid or Napoli. So he would take some pursuading to say the least.

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Does he love united and apreciate and respect what we stand for or is mistaken for us and Newcastle who sign players like this expecting instantbresults

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Why would a guy from France who has no links to even the country and probably does not even speak the language love United.

Some of the posts and views over the last few days are quite odd to say the least. It is called the transfer market and many great clubs buying and great players have a choices so get used to it.

Shahram {Ed002's Note - Gonalons speaks English. There are two clubs pushing for a deal this summer - one of which is English.}

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Ed002

My reply was meant to address this notion that every player should love us and if they don't there is something wrong with them.

Shahram

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Ed002 - Regarding you saying there is an English club trying to push a deal for Gonalons I would take a punt at Arsenal being that club although I think he would be very good for us. {Ed002's Note - Right, Arsenal.}

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01 Jun 2013 23:27:45
In reference to my post earlier about Soldado surely if Rooney left we have to buy a top class striker. If we didn't replace him it would really worry me with us only having 3 strikers of which although big fans of all 3 only RVP is a world class striker. And if he gets injured and we get a team like Barca in the champions league do you really think Hernandez and Welbeck will strike fear into the opposition. With Rooney looking closer to the exit day by day I think we need to go in for a top striker quickly especially with Lewandowski looking like he will sign for Bayern, Falcao to Monaco etc meaning there are less top quality strikers being left. Hey ho we could always go in for Suarez ;)

Sparky

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I'm not so sure we would need to buy another striker. If we play 4231 then we only have one place for a striker. RvP will be first choice as long as he's fit. Hernandez is getting better and better and will probably go on to become Mexico's all time leading goalscorer. Welbeck is a decent back up option and Zaha can play there too.

The problem we will have if we sign another top striker is the same problem we've had this year with Rooney. You try and crowbar them both into the team and as such means one has to play in a position that doesn't suit them and it has a negitive effect on their game. If we sign Thiago then we'll have RvP and Hernandez as strikers and Kagawa and Thiago as players who can play in the hole who can between them more than make up for the loss of Rooney.

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Don't need to strike fear, just need to beat them!

Rooney's been dining out on his name for too long now - quite literally - do you think Barca, Bayern, Real etc are scared of him? Didn't think so.

Why not Welbeck, Hernandez or Zaha? These teams all play a high line and press, a quick striker who runs beyond the last man is perfect to get them thinking about that tactic.

If we're really lucky they may underestimate them for a season!

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Our success under Sir Alex came about by squad players who you would never rate or would readily replace with so called big name future stars from Europe when OSHEA phil Neville fletcher Gibson would play their part and contribute to another trophy carry on banging the we need the next great foreign name last year it was Huntallar now it's Strootman yet the reason Ronaldo loves Utd is because he bonded with players who where Manchester United family
Not naturally gifted but ManUtd and City Chealsea Monaco Psg etc can't buy that and as much as you worry about missing out on big name johnny average Utd d
O what their good at and bring another star through
Dylan

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Danny welbeck will stand out next season a great talent that is nt apreciated by most fans. Rooney not in same class
Dylan

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Dylan,

Rooney not in the same class as Danny welbeck? Too many beers last night?

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02 Jun 2013 11:07:56
i'm a welbeck fan, and I think he'll benefit the most if rooney departs. But that's a strange comment dylan. I'm not a fan of rooney off the pitch but I can certainly appreciate what he contributes on it. Also not sure why you dragged strootman into it as well. Surely you see the need for a signing in midfield? And strootman ticks a lot of boxes. Mort

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02 Jun 2013 11:39:09
I don't rate Soldado that highly but get the point. If, and its still a massive if, Rooney departs it does leave us light upfront. Van Persie is undisputed first choice and Hernandez is a great back up who will play a lot of games with Rooney going and van Persie rested occasionly. Welbeck and Kagawa will also benefit from Rooney going. But I think we'd need someone else in there who doesn't mind bench time. Its too soon for Henriquez who needs regular playing time on loan. So who else is available that could come in, do a job when required but accept rotation? Suggestions? MrE

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01 Jun 2013 23:22:08
I'm seeing a lot of players being linked but I don't think we will sign as many players as some on here seem to think. With Zaha already signed I think we will see 2/3 more sign. Unless we sign youth players. If I was a betting man I would put money on Zaha, Strootman, Thiago and Varela being our signings this summer.

Strootman seems to have been set in stone without any real evidence.

Thiago we have enquired about before, and now he is available at a fixed price. I would expect us to go for him.

And with this fixation on Left Back no one has really clocked we are actually short at Right Back. And we are currently trying to sign Varela apparently.

The best way to see what we need is to have a good look at our squad. I would think it is best to assume that Moyes will play a 4231 type formation next season while he becomes accustomed to the squad and the job. He may try more exoctic formations in the future but for now I would expect 4231. As such its best to evaluate the squad from such a system.

In goal it's looking quite rosy. De Gea is a potentially world class keeper who keeps getting better and better and is the obvious first choice. Lindegaard is soild back up. Amos is a very good understudy who maybe ready to step up from third choice to second choice. And beyonf those three we have Johnstone who looks a fantastic prospect. Even if Lindegaard leaves there is no need to sign someone else in this position as Amos looks to be ready to step up.

In defence we look very strong, as long as everyone is fit. Fabio I expect to see leave, he is too injury prone to be able to push on in his development. He would be best off playing in a less physical league. Other than that I wouldn't expect any other departures. Evra has been mooted about leaving but I expect him to stay for another season. So we have Rio Vidic Smalling Evans and Jones covering the two centre back positions with young Micheal Keane making big steps toward the first team squad. At Left back we have Evra and Buttner who just needs to smooth off the rough edges and work abit on his defensive reading of the game. But at Right Back we have Rafael but with no real back up. Valencia can play there as can Jones or Smalling but they are all round pegs in a squad hole there. that's why Varela is being looked at as a young understudy to Rafael. He is the only defender I expect we'll see join over the summer. Micheal Keane I think will go out on loan for a year or two to gain top flight experiance before coming back to take Vidic's place in the squad in a couple of seasons time.
Giving us the defensive options of Rafael, Varela, Jones, Rio, Smalling, Vidic, Evans, M. Keane, Evra, Buttner.

The midfield obviously needs work. Moyes likes to have defensively hard working players in his midfield. Carrick fits into this perfectly. I also expect to see Jones played in midfield a fair bit next season as the competition at CB is very strong. I think he'll play next season as a midfielder then drop back into defence the season after when Rio retires. Cleverley will get games but maybe more of a squad player. I think Strootman will be signed to be Carricks midfield partner with Jones and Cleverley being back up options. Thiago if signed could also play here if needed but I think he would need to adjust to the Prem before he was made to play this deep.

In the attacking midfield three we have several options. Kagawa being the most potent and the player I feel we should build our attacking impetus around. Other than him we have Valencia, Young, Giggs, Zaha, Januzaj, Powell. Along with Cleverley and Welbeck who I think play a lot in these positions. This is Cleverley's more natural position and where he may find some game time next season if Moyes decides to return him to his own position rather than force him to play deep. Welbeck I also think will find his position Here rather than upfront. He is a hard worker who is a good passer and has pace and a good touch, and has great vision. Ironically it's this vision which limits him as a striker as he tend to play looking for people rather than like a striker with his head down going for goal.

Then we have Thiago who we've been linked with and I feel will sign. If this is the case then I think the first choice players will be Thiago, Kagawa and then the left hand side attacking midfield slot is the only place in the team that I think is up for grabs. Young, Cleverley, Welbeck and Zaha all have a shout to make it thier own.
I don't see any point in signing anyone to play this role. The only players I feel who would be and improvement in this position are Ronaldo, Bale and Reus. As none will be available then we would have to settle for Gaitan or Di Maria neither of which are good enough to justify spending the money on them.

There is an outside shot for the LAM position. Anderson, this was the position he was playing when we signed him and his best role where he maybe able to aviod the kind of rough treatment that has left him with constant injuries. Plus with Davey Moyes hard training regime if anyone will be able to get him fit then it's Moyes. Although I expect him to leave this summer though.

This just leaves upfront. Fortunately this doesn't take much looking at. We Have RvP who is first choice, Hernandez is second choice with Welbeck and Zaha playing here if needed. Then you have young Henriquez who needs a good loan to reach his potential. Long term he could become a key striker for us.

So when you stop and look at the team this summer we need Two midfielders one holding/Box to box and the other a more attacking expansive player. Plus cover for Rafael at RB.

Strootman, Thiago and Varela it is then.

The following summer I see Rio and Evra leaving. To replace them I'd sign Wanyama and drop Jones back into defence and either Luke Shaw or Lucas Digne. Then maybe we can let Valencia Young and Giggs go, and then give more prominant roles to Powell and Januzaj. And if none of Welbeck, Cleverley or Zaha has made the LAM role their own maybe look at signing Reus.

So Wanyama, Shaw and Reus in 2014.

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Why are we short at right back? Rafael, Fabio, Smalling and Jones. Di Maria is far better than what we have I would say as well. Disagree with a lot of this post.

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Fresh mate, Jones and Smalling are centre backs not full backs and as such mean that they are lacking in attacking quality when played there. I think Fabio will be leaving this summer, he only has one year left on contract with no plans to extend it so that to me says he'll be leaving. Plus with his injury record he'll no doubt be unavailable if Rafael was injuried or suspended. So if Fabio leaves then we only have one right back in our squad thus we will need another one. Beisde we have been in talks with Varela's club so we are looking at a young right back, apparently we have looked at Elliot Kebbie as well. So it looks like a young RB is on the cards.

As for Di Maria you need to watch him in every game to see what the problem is with him. He is a left footed Nani. Brilliant on his day but they are few and far between, and when it's not his day then he is a passenger. Di Maria will cost between 20-25m and Nani would make 10-15m if sold. Di Maria just isn't worth 10m more than Nani. If the option was keep Nani or replace him with Di Maria at a cost of 10m then i'd keep Nani.

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Shappy chappy, u are doing a lot of guess work recently, but trying to make them all sound like its all facts, like your in the know how or something, why on earth are you trying to predict transfers for the 2014 season, how's anybody going to know which players were going to need and want in a years time, or what positions we are going to need to improve, sound like your psychic mate, well done, you should be proud of yourself

Christoph Pimblett

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Christoph,

It's a rumour and banter site, shappy gives his opinion and backs it up with arguments, he hasn't said anything is a fact. Read some of the other posts on this site and then read shappy's, well thought out with sensible arguments.

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02 Jun 2013 11:25:41
i think shappy's made good use of logic. Its well known we're after a young right back, one or two central midfielders and an attacking option preferably left sided. Looking around the rest of the squad its reasonable to assume next year we could be after left back, centre back, right wing and striker. Depending on how this season goes and if people step up. Mort

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Gds,

This guys right, I mean when will it end? Are we going to start predicting for the 2015 season next, then what. Its totaly rediculas! How do we know who will have a great season, and who will have a stinker? I Mean for all we know, valencia and young might be the best two wingers in the epl, would yo t want to replace them then? Me thinks not. And also cleverley might get 20+ goals from midfield, would you try to bring another cm then? Again, me thinks not! So let's just have a bit of common sense and just address the areas we know that are in immediate attention. Thanks,

Damion 'the demon' laithwaite

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02 Jun 2013 12:36:25
Chris mate, its a rumour site. I never write anything as if its fact and I always state that it my opinion or what I think. I try and back up my thought process with reasoned arguements to show why i've come to that conclusion. Your more than intitled to disagree, but try and have a decent reason for disagreeing and back it up with some reasoned arguements of your own.

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01 Jun 2013 23:03:12
Hoping for a 'big name' signing this summer like Bale or Ronaldo. Who this time last year actually thought we was going to go on a sign RvP? Not me so hopefully another one of them summers were we don't know who's going to sign 100%

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01 Jun 2013 23:00:38
Can somebody somewhere show me one scrap of evidence we are interested in strootman or di maria?

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02 Jun 2013 08:19:54
Nope, but then there's never really any evidence about any of our signings. The club have a policy of not talking about targets and they don't leave the lists of potential targets lying around on a train like M. o. D chiefs do. So its all speculation until you see them with the cheif executive holding up a shirt posing for the camera. The only time you might get a whiff of it before hand is if the selling club or player say anything. Which is rare. So no there is no evidence that we are going to sign anyone this summer, just speculation.

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01 Jun 2013 22:50:42
Fabregas has told a local Radio Station while interviewing, he is not going anywhere and if its EPL, Manchester United will not be the choice EVER!

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01 Jun 2013 22:44:59
Suarez is right Liverpool You are Sh1t.

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01 Jun 2013 21:35:36
Ed do you think that there is any chance what so ever of us still signing Lewandowski? Dortmund I think are still dead against selling him to a domestic team, as Levy is dead against selling Bale to an English club. Is there anything encouraging still from our point of view? {Ed004's Note - Not that I have heard of recently. I reckon with his agent coming out and declaring his intentions it may be very hard to sign him now}

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I hear that we might see a late change of things with Lew. Rooney will be sold by middle of july and will not be aprt of the summer tour.

Shahram

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What sort of things are those? I think we could certainly use him.

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Believe it or not from the Man City crowd up the road in Abu Dhabi as I do business with them unrelated to football.

BTW hang on to your hats they are going to bring in a number of big players and most likely be favorites with the bookies. They reckon 4 top spanish players and also 2 top english talent.

They are more forthcoming with what other teams are doing than talking abut specific players they are targeting.

Shahram

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01 Jun 2013 21:13:39
Apparently this is currently the best fishing ground atm.

All you need to do is spout a crazy rumour or post something like Tel or Plymouth red does and sit back and wait for the bites. And there have been far too many of you biting over the last few days.

When you see a post that looks ridiculas stop and think. Does it seem so stupid that it clearly has no basis in reality? If so then its probably a rival fan trying to wind you up. They want you to bite, in their eyes if you bite then it shows you are worried about next season. Its the only joy some of them have left in football due to the poor performances of their own team.

Don't give them the satisfaction. Just ignore anything that seems too stupid to real. Then they'll get bored and stop posting and we won't have to wade through loads of crap posts.

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They'll learn in their own time Shappy, mate. Let them learn the hard way. Tough love and all that.

TK-Red

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Good post Shappy. Way too early to form an opinion on ay one and let's see what the off season brings.

Shahram

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That was the plan to start with TK, but they are taking longer to learn then I hoped. lol. I'm getting bored of scrolling though half a page of guff replies to person wind up scousers. If I wanted to do that i'd go to the scousers page.

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01 Jun 2013 21:03:55
Syd
On the discussion at the bottom of the page I can understand Redman point of view and why he would want us to be buying top quality players and why he feels a club of United's stature should be able to.

now I'm not having a go but I really don't see or get the point your trying to make

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It's quite simple mate. I am happy with the amount we have spent on players in the past two summers and I hope we spend a similar amount this summer. I like the fact we spend within our means and do not use our owner's cash to buy players.

RvP, Kagawa, Smalling, Jones, DDG, Hernandez, Henriquez & Powell IMO are all quality players or potentially quality players. The players we have been linked to this summer Lewandowski, Strootman, Thiago & Di Maria are also quality players.

I have no complaints with my club's ambition. Well nighty night lads.

Sydney!

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01 Jun 2013 21:32:09
the point is Red man is more than a little unrealistic in his choice of transfer targets and too dismissive of anyone who's not on his exclusive list.

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01 Jun 2013 21:47:21
I would say our transfer policy has been really effective over the years. We tend to sign a top player every 2/3 years to give the team a boost such as RvP and inbetween we sign young players to mould into stars like we did with Ronaldo, or we sign good players who could either be solid squad players or who could make the step up. Vidic being an example of a good player who stepped up and Young maybe of one who didn't and is a soild squad player.

This policy has resulted in us winning everything we have under Sir Alex. And I expect us to carry on with this policy.
We very rarely compete for the top stars, and if we do we tend to splash out on ones playing in England rather than on ones playing outside of England. Rooney, Rio, Berbatov, RvP as opposed to only Veron and Anderson who have been 20m+ signings from outside our league. Which might explain why we don't tend to spend the top money on players from outside our league.

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I am demanding, of that I admit I am, however remember I have been a fan for 45 years
In that time I have seen us buy some crap and some great players

Our clubs ambition is in question right now mainly because of our owners

If you can't see it then I am comfy because I know what it's like to watch rubbish

Red Man

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We get linked to players every year it means nothing

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Shappy so we should sign a top player in 3 year

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01 Jun 2013 22:52:01
Not forgetting some very talented U21's.

Whistler.

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De laet, tosic, berb, diouf, tosic, obertan, Owen, Valencia, linders, bebe, vermilljl, Hernandez, smalling, ddg, Jones, buttner, rvp, kags, Powell.
That's all the players we have bought over the last 5 year.
Not bad but I think a team like United could maybe of done better
A lot of potential in there but for me rvp stands out like a sore thumb.

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I wouldn't expect us to sign a top player for another year or two as we sign RvP last year. And by top player I mean big money on someone at the top of the game. Someone who's 24/25/26 and would cost 25m+ and would instantly improve our team such as RvP did. We have a lot of good young players who we need to see how they pan out before splashing the cash. We have Smalling and Jones in defence, if they don't progress as needed then maybe we'll sign a top CB. We have Cleverley and potentially Strootman and Thiago in midfield we'll need to see how they turn out. We have Hernandez, Powell, Welbeck, Zaha, Januzaj and Henriquez as forwards.

Once we can see how these players are turning out we won't know what we need to spend big money on. If a few don't turn out as hoped then I expect we'll sign someone big to replace them and give the team a boost.

But no I wouldn't expect a big signing this summer as Moyes hasn't worked with the squad and decided how he want's them to play and thus what kind of player he'll need to make it work. So any big name signing this summer would be a gamble.

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Jred, I think you can say Berbatov was a top signing too. He is our record signing after all. He just didn't turn out as hoped. So I the last five years we've made two top signings in Berbatov and RvP then seven great potential buys with Valencia, Hernandez, Smalling, DDG, Jones, Kagawa and Powell. With maybe Lindegaard and Buttner being good squad players with potential to be more. And seven cheap gambles in De Laet, Tosic, Diouf, Obertan, Owen, Bebe and Vermijl of which we will probably break even with once they are all sold.

Thats not too bad to be fair.

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No name, there is genuine interest in Di Maria, Lewandowski, Strootman & Thiago. Whether any are signed is another matter altogether.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - I reckon those four and a left back and that would be a brilliant summer}

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I wouldn't moan if we bought Shaw, Barkley, Thiago, Strootman, Di Maria & Lewandowski. We would be set for years to come. Sadly I expect Shaw and Lew to go elsewhere and Thiago & Di Maria to be difficult to sign due to rival clubs also being interested.

Sydney!

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01 Jun 2013 20:29:50
Eds. I have been reading quiet a few articles and post regarding Thiago and Strootman. in your experence, what's the likely hood of a deal being done for these two. Thanks {Ed004's Note - Very likely imo Strootman seems near enough a certainty imo. Though a post for people on here. I know it appears as those Nani is all but on his way out of the club but if the decision was up to you would you keep him? I reckon the system Moyes plays, hopefully, were we press high up the pitch and allow the wingers to come inside would suit Nani down to the ground. He would be playing in a much quicker attack and I reckon we could possibly see him return to the season were he assisted 19 and scored 12-13 which is very impressive for a winger. Would a 3 behind RVP of Di Maria, Kagawa and Nani be good enough for the league and Europe. All three players very comfortable in possession of the ball and can play anywhere in a 3 of a 4231. My main concern is I think we will only sign one winger and I really don't want to go through a year of having to watch Valencia and Young fail to deliver. Now if by selling Nani we were garunteed a replacement from any of Isco, Sanchez, Ribery, Reus etc I would sell him but I think that is very unlikely}

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Honestly I'd rather have Nani than Ribery. He would want over 150k a week and he really is a disgusting human being, some of his antics on the pitch are disgraceful

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01 Jun 2013 20:58:31
Ed, do you not see Zaha as Nani's potential replacement? {Ed004's Note - I do but he will not be ready for the first team next season imo}

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Nani is on his day one of the best in the world, there is no doubt about it. But, is Di Maria better on the left or right? I am worried if we sell Nani and Rooney and only sign Di Maria we will be very light up top. Would it be the worst thing to give Nani a chance under Moyes to see if he can perform better under a different manager? Sign Di Maria this year and then Ronaldo next year.

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I think Nani has had he's chance and believe its best for both partys to move on. I do agree with you about Nani and if we got him back to the Nani I saw a good few years ago

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01 Jun 2013 22:01:59
I think he might suprise you and a few others. I think he is ready for the step up and will thrive with better players around him and from better training. If we sign someone else to play on the wings it will only block Zaha and Januzaj from getting the game time they need to develop and improve.

For me there is only one winger I would sign and that is Reus, he is so good I would be prepared potentially stunt the growth of our youth as the team would be so much drastically better with him. But as he isn't going to be available then I would rather not sign anyone.

I mean if you look at who's out there atm. Ronaldo and Bale would cost too much to make them viable options. Di Maria is a fancy lightweight version of Nani, Gaitan isn't good enough, Lamela will be too differcult to buy due to his ownership issue, Ribery and Robban are available because Bayern can't be bothered to deal with them anymore. Rodriguez has gone to Monaco. And then your running out of options.

So everyone is either too expensive, unavailable, not good enough or a problem player to deal with.

To be completely honest i'd rather stick with Nani (who frustrates more than any other player to have ever worn the hallowed red shirt) as it makes no sense blowing money on someone who isn't going to be good enough, or will cause problems.

Wouldn't you rather not sign another winger this year then if Zaha or Januzaj doesn't step up sign Reus next year. Rather than sign someone like Di Maria or Gaitan this year when they aren't good enough.

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I don't see us signing Di Maria. Personally I see the Eds point, however I think Nanis time has ran out, very talented but decision makign and final ball he has never really progressed with. Zaha and Januzaj look very talented, think they are a season or two away from being top players but I can see both getting games. I agree though that we really need wingers as this is the weakest group we have had in all my time supporting the club, there don't seem many viable options available personally, I hope there is some surprise virtual unknown Ronaldo like youngster scouted somewhere (dont we all) thoughj of course this contradicts the current needs with Zaha and Januzaj not quite ready in my opinion to consitantly start games at the top level
Invisible Stuey

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01 Jun 2013 19:35:43
Does Thiago playing today against Malaga put his release clause back up to 90 million euros or have I read something wrong? I'm sure it was said that he couldn't play today due to joining up with Spain under 21s which would keep his game time below 60%, but he is playing now.

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His release clause is €18 million up until 31st July.

Nat

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Does the release clause actually matter, as it's a release clause and therefor not binding? As far as I know, the club can reject an offer of above 18m if they want to

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01 Jun 2013 19:35:31
Is there any news with Manchester United being linked to Andre Ayew of marseille? Thanks

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01 Jun 2013 19:00:49
I'm hearing that David Moyes is already to look at putting his own stamp on the team by bringing in the majority of his backroom staff in as well as his own players
Moyes' United is unfortunatley very different to the fans' United which we would like to see
Moyes will address the same areas us fans think need strengthening
At CB Moyes will ship Jones into midfield and will buy a proven trusty CB in Jagielka and another one as an understudy to him and eventually Rio's replacement in Shane Duffy
At LB is a no brainer; we all want Shaw but we'll settle for a 28yr old Leighton Baines and cut our losses on Evra
Moyes also see's Rafael as a weak link in the United team despite of the improvement and progression he has made over the last 9 months. Moyes will also look to Seamus Coleman as great competition for the young Brazilian international right-back
Also Moyes will not succumb to the pressure of fans to spend big on the wings or in midfield
He see's Fellaini as the perfect replacement as Scholes because of his physicality and bite in the tackle as well as his range of passing
Moyes also thinks Darron Gibson has unfinished business at United and he see's him as the steady eddie who can compete in the premier league as oppose to the glitz and glamour of Fabregas/Thiago/Gundogan etc.
This is a similar story with our wingers the likes of Nani and Valencia will be moved on and replaced by Kevin Mirralas who Moyes see's great comparrisons with Ronaldo in terms of playing style I also wouldn't rule out a move for Steven Pienaar who we all know Moyes rates highly and he see's him and Giggs as the perfect mentours to our younger attackers e. g. Januzaj, Powell, Lingard
Moyes also wants another physical powerful striker to replace Rooney - similar to the Rooney of young
Moyes see's this to being Victor Anichebe. He may not be as technically good as Rooney but Moyes see's potential in him to take the premier league by storm with his raw pace and power
I think we can all expect a United first choice line up to look like this next season
(4321) De Gea; Coleman, Jagielka, Vidic, Baines; Carrick, Gibson, Fellaini; Mirralas, van Persie, Anichebe
A very seemingly dodgy post but we all know Moyes liked to stick to what he knows and what he does best and for this reason he knows what he's doing
In Moyes We Trust

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01 Jun 2013 19:29:39
Load of rubbish, I stopped reading at Jagielka, wouldn't get anywhere near a United starting 11.

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Liverpool fan?

Sydney!

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Yes we're really going to sig 7 (!) players from Everton. Ed how/ why does crap like this even get posted? {Ed004's Note - Because I thought it was so bad it had to be put up just to let posters see some of the rubbish that gets sent in and that's not even the worst of it lol}

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You are the epitome of a washed up Liverpool fan.

Nat

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It's not April 1st, it's June 1st

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01 Jun 2013 19:36:03
Pretty funny actually. It made me chuckle. Lol.

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Bahhah

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OK. I thought the previous post was by 'THAT' guy, but I was wrong
You sir are THAT guy.

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One of the most ridiculous posts ever, you really need to stop taking the drugs or stop supporting Loserpool, one or the other.

Red Daz

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Haha, them liverpool fans! Whatever makes them feel better about suarez turning his back on them I suppose.

Duggo

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Ok I know these are rumour and banter pages but this, Phil Jones to Spurs and RVP and Ronaldo to Man City belong in there own Looney section, most of my posts may end up there too.

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Ed4 if your getting worse than that then you have my commiserations.

Its sad that someone has actually sat there and put thought into that and then gone to the effort of typing it up.

If anyone is planning on a career as a shrink you should get up to Liverpool, your never going to be out of work.

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Absolutely no way in hell is Victor Anichebe good enough or ever going to play for manchester united. Darron gibson we only just sold, Your post is laughable
The only part I agree with is your name.

United we Stand

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Thanks for putting this up Ed, it made me chuckle :)

Keep em coming boys, 21 is on it's way.

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People are taking this post way too seriously haha

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So, Moyes is buying Everton right?

Nick86

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01 Jun 2013 21:01:49
I think the irony may have gone over some peoples heads.

This is supposed to be a p155 take to all the people who are worried about the backroom staff and the potential changes Moyes may make to the first team in both playing personel and style.

Or at least that's how I read it. Coleman and Gibson must surely give it away.

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02 Jun 2013 13:16:18
Only everton players who would get in our team are jagielka, mirallas and baines

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01 Jun 2013 16:37:06
ronaldo and robin van persie are on their way to man city

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I know I'm on the coach with them-s*** place for a package holiday though!

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This post is late by a year, probably a good rumuor last year

nikz

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01 Jun 2013 16:57:52
Hell I didn't realise they were both that way inclined, but hey each to their own.

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Don't be THAT guy!

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01 Jun 2013 18:25:35
oh for christ sake, i'm gna support city then

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For the 2nd post
Don't forget you share the same city,

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Wake up

rodio17

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Heard there going to buy rooney kagawa and carrick aswell

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01 Jun 2013 15:50:49
For Ed 002 - You often say that you aren't going to bother talking about money for transfers as it just confuses people or that it's irrelvant. I understand you get a few persons on here but some people that use this would be able to grasp certain complexities involved I'm sure. Would it be possible for you to outline what these complexities are at some point please, (if you have already then I haven't seen it sorry)?

I'm presuming it's to do with tax, installments, performance related pay, agent fees, sponsorships etc. If this is the case is it possible to maybe put the best placed scenario for buyer or seller should all the clauses be met, contracts fulfilled etc? Just so we can get a rough idea of the total potential value of the deal, or as close to it as reasonably possible.

Obviously I value your insight generally but half the fun of player transfer rumours is having an idea of whether we think a club has paid/offered too much or got a bargain and how much it eats into transfer budgets.

Cheers

Sween {Ed002's Note - I don't have time now - or perhaps for the next few weeks. Ask me again in a while.}

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01 Jun 2013 15:13:33
The scousers seem to think that they're shopping at Harrods for a Suarez replacement - delusions of grandeur it appears when it comes to who might actually be interested in joining them - next year tho, next year

N. I. Devil

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I can see players like Callejon or perhaps Pedro Leon forced to join Anfield in a deal as RM will are very persuasive shall we say. I cannot see them forcing the more established players to a mediocre English club.

Sydney!

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They seem to think they can bring in Benzema and Di Maria in a swap deal!

Ste.

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01 Jun 2013 15:01:25
Ed, how do you see us lining up next season? That's if our potential transfer targets pull off? {Ed004's Note - I reckon we will play 4231 with De Gea, Rafael, Smalling/Evans, Vidic, Baines, Carrick, Strootman, Di Maria, Rooney, Kagawa and RVP. That's a strong team to build on imo. I would prefer Bale this summer and then next summer look at replacing Carrick (Is getting older after all), possibly Vidic and most definitely Rooney}

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Ed, I would imagine that will be the team. But as you say, it could be Bale or it could be Rooney. But that is I think how we will line up!

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01 Jun 2013 14:52:19
i suppose we will play a 4-2-3-1 formation next season
and even if rooney goes we don't need a new no 10
we already have kagawa and emering players like powell and januzaj
our focus should be to to bring in two midfielders who can fill that 2 positions above our defence
best candidates for this should be fellaini and strootman

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01 Jun 2013 14:45:27
hey ed please answer this if u can but how many signings do u think we will sign in the summer and what positions do u expect us to strenghten thanks {Ed004's Note - 3 signings Left Back, Centre midfield and Right midfield possibly a fourth in centre midfield}

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01 Jun 2013 14:39:05
Does anybody else get the impression that the Thiago situation is very similar to when we signed De Gea?

In terms of all this I'll decide my future after the EC21, but I think it's pretty obvious that he's made his mind up and I'm expecting him to play for United more than I'm expecting Strootman too.

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I think De Gea either knows or has a sneaky feelings that Thiago is coming to United!

Nat

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01 Jun 2013 18:00:27
I really hope we get this lad. To start with I think he'd have to play as either the furthest forward of midfield three or as one of the three behind the striker in a 4231 formation. But with time and him becoming used to english football he could drop back to be the creative one of the midfield two.

I hope your right and we see Thiago in the famous red shirt next season. Come on David pour some honey in your friends ear.

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01 Jun 2013 14:11:14
Hi eds, I am in a confident mood that United have already thrashed out their deals for th summer. In my mind, I am adamant that Strootman is very much a done deal, one of Quintero/Di Maria is also a done deal. I am also convinced that there is an agreement with Thiago Alcantara. Pls help me with any further information on any Transfer that u think is on the pipeline waiting to be done. Announcement on all these will be made early this week I think. Pls eds comments as well as MU fans. {Ed004's Note - I expect Strootman to move here quite early in the window and I think there is serious interest in Baines, Di Maria and Alcantara}

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01 Jun 2013 13:46:30
What does anyone actually think about Strootman? good player and up to the standards of United?

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Sam I believe I'm the only person on here that thinks Strootman would not take us to another level which is a big ask for someone who is playing in the u21 finals this summer (that sets the alarm bells off immediately)
I don't see any recognised sports news agencies linking him with us and truly believe he is no better than Anderson which will cause a debate.
We need a player who can influence that position just like Van Persie did in his role this last season.
So do you see United paying £15/20 m for at best a Europa cup player because I don't.
Dylan {Ed004's Note - What would play in the U21's have to do with anything? Mata, De Gea and plenty more players of high quality played in the last tournament and captain of that team was JAVI MARTINEZ! can you tell me you wouldn't have wanted Javi Martinez in our team this year? Remember Strootman is captain of a very strong Dutch team and will captain the U21's as well}

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£36m for Martinez was a lot to pay granted he's made a massive impact but your surely not placing Strootman in his class are you?
My point is this Dembele a left sided midfielder who I would have any day over Stootman premier league proven who we could of signed ended up at Spurs now unless you know something about Anderson that we don't then fine but why did we not go for Dembele for
the same money?
Moyes may have his own plans for Anderson but I don't see him moving this summer so I only see a Scholes type replacement and that can only be Thiago.
Dylan

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He is what we need, he is big powerful and can score a few too!

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Not to mention Martinez played in the europa cup too last year. I don't see what the club he is playing for has to do with it, he plays for the second strongest team in his native country week in week out and he's only 23

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Caolan 2 is that Andy Carroll your on about!
He's big and powerful and scores a few
Dylan

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I'm not interested who individuals play for its if they'd improve us please answer my question Dembele or Strootman if both where available
Dylan

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01 Jun 2013 17:23:45
dylan easy question, strootman all day long. Clearly the better player. Your talking guff all that only playing in the under twenty ones and europa. MrE

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01 Jun 2013 17:56:41
Strootman is the better player and will get even better. Dembele isn't first choice for Belgium yet Strootman has captained the dutch national team.

Strootman is a cross between Ramires and Gattuso. He's got that hardman streak and the ability to impose himself on other players like Gattuso but with the running and playmaking skills of Ramires.

He can play as a holding midfielder or a box to box midfielder, and even as an attacking midfielder which is where he started his career.

How many players can control a game with his passing AND his physicality? Cus Strootman can.

The only potential issue is how long will it take him to step up to the pace and quality of the premier league. If he can do it quickly then by christmas you'll be singing his praises.

I expect him to make a big impact at our club, and I wouldn't be suprised to see teams like Real Madrid trying to sign him from us in a few years time (assuming he does join us this summer).

For me if we can get Strootman and Thiago this summer and maybe Wanyama next summer then we would have some of the best midfield options in world football.

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He must be some player I can't wait to see him shine in this tournament.
Dylan

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Why are City, chealsea, real, psg clubs who are willing to pay what it takes to get the very best at their clubs not linked with him.
Do you see my point, Henderson, Allen and Downing didn't improve liverpool.
Dylan

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01 Jun 2013 19:03:51
Well it would do you some good to watch him and judge him on that rather than judging him by which clubs he's been linked to. I fully expect him to make the team of the tourdament unless someone comes though and really breaks out.

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Dylan City have Yaya, Rodwell, Garcia, Milner & Barry, hardly in need of a midfielder are they?

Chelsea have Ramires, Lampard, Mikkel, Luiz, hardly in need of a midfielder are they?

Real have Modric, Alonso, and god knows who else, hardly in need of a midfielder are they?

Should I go on?

We have Carrick, Cleverley and Anderson. I think we might need a midfielder.

He's a guy who's captained both his club and country at a relatively young age.

Your basically rejecting him because he's not linked to clubs who have no need to buy in that position. Frankly a bit of a childish reaction. He has been linked to AC Milan, but I guess you don't consider them a big club.

As Shappy says try watching the player.

Mort

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01 Jun 2013 19:48:22
you need to learn to take what you read in the press with a large pinch of salt. Just because the press link a player with a club it doesn't mean the club are interested in that player at all. In fact most of the time its a load of crap. The press don't know much more than we do, plus they will link players to attract readers. But by the same token just because a player hasn't been linked to a club it doesn't mean the club aren't interested in him.

Maybe PSG, City, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona, AC Milan and Juventus have all inquired about Strootman and maybe they were were told Strootman only wants to move to United. Or maybe their interest has gone unnoticed by the press. Or maybe none of those teams currently have a need for a player like Strootman. Certainly you could argue that he doesn't suit the Barca style, and Bayern Real Madrid and Juventus all have very strong midfields. Chelsea and City have other areas their concentrating on. And PSG have Matuldi and Veratti so they don't need someone like Strootman.

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01 Jun 2013 19:49:47
So that just leaves us and AC Milan, which funnily enough are the two teams he's been linked with.

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If Bale Ronaldo messi then at the next level Modric, vidal etc became available I'd expect loads of interest from the top sides.
I don't see a 23year old who plays/Captains his national team plays in a recognised league which is heavily scouted not being in big demand if he's as good as you believe
Mort I think City would replace Barry Chealsea would replace Ramires if a player you describe to be this good was available.
Holland journalist generally are aware of any major interest from premier league clubs.
My gut feeling is he's another Zakora Thioti type not quite good enough for the top sides.
I'm going to give him a chance to prove me wrong in the coming weeks
Dylan

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01 Jun 2013 20:57:07
To be honest mate i'm at a complete loss as to how you can judge someone you've never seen play.

As me and Mort have said the other top clubs aren't in need of a player like him atm. If they were they would be interested i'm sure.

If a top class goalkeeper became available and a top class right back would you rather we signed them then sign players for positions we need? Or would you think that was stupid?

Cus that's what your expecting other clubs to do, and then because they aren't you are writing off a very good player who you haven't seen play. Do you see how ridicluas your arguement looks now?

If you watched him and he didn't impress you that's one thing, but you seem to expect him to have impressed you with you not even watching him.

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01 Jun 2013 22:34:32
shappy I don't think anything we say makes any difference. He's made his mind up and Strootman needs to score hat tricks in his next six games to make an impression. Mort

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I think you maybe right Mort, you can lead a horse to water and all that.

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01 Jun 2013 13:15:09
Does anyone know if there is any interest in Honda? Would be good to get a buddy for Kagawa.

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Ahhh - maybe stick to Simms

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01 Jun 2013 13:04:42
Assuming Rooney does go, I think we're more likely to replace him with an attacking forward who could play in the outside positions of the three behind the striker, rather than another striker. van Persie is first choice. Hernandez offers a lot and has been patient, will get a lot of games in the new season and shouldn't even be considered for being sold. Welbeck needs regular games as a striker but can cover wide. And we have young strikers coming through. Also who would we buy? Lewandowski looks to be off to Bayern. Falcao to Monaco. Who else is there. I think we'd to look down a level to someone with an Hernandez type character who doesn't mind being on the bench but as a striker offers something different to what we currently have.

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01 Jun 2013 12:52:20
valera strootman baines a left wing to come in and young evra nani Anderson buttner/Fabio out. maybe a new center back in if vidic leaves like zouma/garay. don't see were thiago would play if he joined us as we would have to drop wingers which wold mean that zaha would not get the game time to improve. see us playing a 4-2-3-1/ 4-4-1-1 strootman and carrick holding mids. zaha right wing. kagawa behind rvp and a new left wing like gaitan/bale/di maria. if rooney leaves then I think that we will try and sign benzema or some one around the 20m-30m mark and I can only see rooney going to psg. then loan welbeck out so that he can get some game time playing as a striker instead of left wing. I only think herandez will leave if we get a bid of 30m plus from a club that is not in the prem.

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01 Jun 2013 13:22:14
Why would Vidic leave? Where would Benzema play in your system? Not sure he'd want to start on the bench. Why would we sell Hernandez if Rooney is leaving? Very strange post.

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01 Jun 2013 12:41:02
So your source isn't off twitter is he not? Funny that he said exactly what you said a few days ago.

T14

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01 Jun 2013 12:25:17
I am honestly sick of zidane and Perez they talk about players like their above any tapping up laws. Everyone wants to play for madrid and a lot probably do but u don't always stay there u more often than not join the circus and then your career fares away. Take note bale. In my opinion the self professed greatest club in the world do a lot of underhand and sly moves. For 2 years they tapped up becks the same with ronnie surly such a great club need not be do underhand. Although mourinho is a fly by night he did try to keep most of the same players and build. Now he's gone watch the circus kick into overdrive big name after big name fade manager come and go and ultimately madrid do very little. They only constant is the ringmaster Perez and his puppet zidane. And as long as there around we can be safe in the knowledge they will always play second fiddle to the biggest club on earth.

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Madrid are a great example of how getting the world's best players, paying out big fees and getting in short term managers is no guarantee of success. Circus is the best word for them.

They are masters at tapping players up, hoarding top players and stagnating their careers.

REDFAITH

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REDFAITH

On this we find some agreement

I also think Madrid has a clique issue particularly with Spanish players creating a divide that doesn't help

I have long called Madrid a circus

Red Man

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01 Jun 2013 12:22:12
Apparently Real Madrid are now interested in Thiago and are in advanced talks. Don't know whether to believe that but if true, surely they've have to be selling either modric or ozil? Those three can't fit into the same team every week.

Ozwald

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01 Jun 2013 12:21:43
just seen ronaldo signed a new contract dunna weather its through or not. and as for fabergas and thiago neither of them will happen.

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01 Jun 2013 11:45:05
Anyone know anything about Guillermo Varela?
1994

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He is a much needed back-up to Rafael. This means Jones will now be playing midfield or central defence. My prediction is Jones will be in midfield next season with us maybe playing a diamond more often.

Sydney!

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I hope not

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Jred, I know you are not a fan of the diamond, and have to agree that sometimes this season it hasn't worked out for the reasons you gave (left gaps?). I think with the correct personnel it maybe a hit. If we were to sign Strootman & a Thiago type player then I can see them adding to a Carrick/Kagawa midfield, not instead of it. Our wingers have been poor this season, but when we haven't played with wingers we have dominated possession in the middle. With Rooney played deeper last season I got the impression we were going to go with a diamond next season under SAF. Well we have Moyes now so perhaps it will be a 4-2-3-1 (which I do like), we will have to wait and see.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - I reckon the diamond is perfect against teams when we are playing away from home as it helps up to gain control of the game however, for playing against the top teams I don't think it would work as I think they would just target us out wide and stretch the team a lot leaving a lot of space in the midfield that's why 4-2-3-1 is go good imo. You are covered out wide and centrally}

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Also with United going for an attacking RB in Varela, it means we will have two attacking RB's and three attacking LB's. For me it looking like our main width could be coming from the fullback position next season. Zaha, Young & Di Maria can all play tucked in if needed, something we have tried with Valencia this season. I just think there is signs for a diamond, whether we go with it or not remains to be seen, but I think it's possible.

Sydney!

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I will amazed if we play the diamond next year, I don't see it as moyes style at all.

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I think varela won't be drafted in to the first team, I may be wrong.

nikz

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Who are the wingers in a traditional Moyes' Everton team? None are particularly out and out wingers. Everton's width comes from Baines and Coleman.

Sydney!

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So baines and Coleman provide more width than pienaar and mirelas.
Nearly all teams play with attacking full backs not many rely on them to provide width.
Moyes can play many systems with out traditional wingers.
I've never seen moyes play the diamond or talk about it, I don't think it's his style

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Jred, that's my point, there isn't much difference between what Moyes does and what I think SAF was trying at times last season. I think the problem is we lacked the correct personnel. Pienaar and Mirallas are not out and out wingers and they tuck in to add to central midfield like Silva & Nasri for example with Zabaleta and Clichy as the main width. I don't think there is a major difference between a 4-2-3-1 and the 4-3-3 diamond formation. My point is I think we will pack the side with more midfielders this season and rely more on the fullbacks for width.

Sydney!

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01 Jun 2013 18:12:41
I'm a fan of the diamond formation if used with the right players. But its not a system Moyes has used before. But in saying that a manager can only use the formations to which he has the players to utilise with it. So if Moyes didn't have the right players to make the system work then he wouldn't have attempted to use it. I wouldn't rule anything out. The best managers don't have a prefered way of playing but rather base their ideas on what the strengths of the players they have at their disposal. A managers job is to get the best out of the players, to do this you need to play to your sqauds strength.

You could argue that with Valencia being one dimentional, Young not being good enough and Nani being innconsistant and likely to leave. That there is no quality wide players at the club, so if he wants to play with wingers then he will need to buy some. Or he can look ar the players he has and decide to play a system where the width comes from the full backs and not wingers.

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Syd
the diamond was 4 in the middle spread out and 2 strikers up top.
For me it never worked, with 2 strikers we were light in the middle.
I suppose we will see next season but I would be surprised if moyes played it,

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Again Jred, you are over thinking things. Forget the diamond, my point was I expected us to play more midfielders and lose the out and out wingers. The diamond is an example of playing more midfielders than the two we usually play with. My point is I think we will see a packed midfield with the majority of width coming from Evra/Baines/Shaw whoever and Rafael/Varela instead of Valencia and Young.

Sydney!

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01 Jun 2013 11:42:01
Very happy to read of PSGs interest! It will be a great move for us if we can get £30 million and Rooney off of our wage bill. This has to go on Ronaldo or Bale though. Ideally, Bale this year for big money and then Ronaldo next year when he has just one year left on his deal. If we had to go big to get Bale I would be happy to just have him and Strootman and forget about replacing Evra for another year. {Ed004's Note - I would still worry about our wings if we signed Bale tbh. If we are to play a 4231 next season like Moyes does at Everton I reckon Bale can play there as he played right wing near the end of the season there but I don't think Valencia or Young are good enough and Kagawa will have to play centrally so we would be left without a suitable winger on either the right or the left side. Surely if reports are true and Di Maria is available for 15 million we would also have to go for him. Or could RVP play behind Hernandez or even Alcantara behind RVP. Dunno whatever happens if Rooney and Nani both go I think two forward players are needed}

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Ideally we would have Di Maria, Kagawa and Bale behind RVP. Strootman and Carrick in the midfield two.

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01 Jun 2013 12:47:45
Fresh mate I honestly don't see us signing Bale. I think he'll either stay at Spurs or move to Madrid. I just don't see us paying what Spurs would demand after how we got shafted on Berbatov and on what they asked for Modric. And for the money we'd spend on Bale we could sign two players. I agree with the Ed we'd need two good wingers in to replace Nani and Rooney. Kagawa has to play in hole and van Persie has to play upfront. Hernandez can cover Robin. Welbeck can cover upfront and the wide areas. Zaha will get games. But we'd need two top players in alongside Kagawa. MrE

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And do u think the maria and bale will be cheap and come on low wages?
Why should we sell Rooney for £30m? We have to buy a better replacement for the money, so who do u think we can replace him with? {Ed004's Note - Well I reckon Rooneys wage would near enough cover both Bale and Di Maria that and Nani's would definitely cover the wages. I reckon for both we could hopefully get around 45 million and lets says Bale and Di Maria cost 60 mill and according to reports 15-18 mill then that's only an outlet of just over 30 million. Though you are right I don't see Bale moving here. I'd love the club to show ambition and go for Lamela and Reus}

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I would ideally have Di Maria, Kagawa, and a back in form Valencia behind RVP. With two from Carrick/Strootman/Thiago starting behind them in midfield. And sort out the left back position please.

REDFAITH

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Also, Fresh! I think Ronaldo will sign a new deal this summer and stay on at Real Madrid for a few more years, or sign a new deal but sold next summer to PSG or Monaco.

I sadly think we will keep Rooney. Questions need to be asked of what is going on at United. Why are we keeping Rooney instead of selling him off and buying Lewandowski who would be a lot a cheaper overall and imo a lot better in the next 4-5 years.

REDFAITH

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Ideally. Strootman Thiago should be priority. Anderson and Nani will defo go aswell as Macheda and Bebe. I personally would sell Rooney he's heart isn't in it and Moyes needs 100% squad harmony/commitment, £30m for Rooney and save 250k a week on wages is a good move.

So to sum it up.
Strootman and Thiago £40m with wages of let's say 50k Strootman and 70k Thiago (This is purely guess work) Anderson Nani Macheda Bebe £20m and we save wages (Again purely guess work) 150k a week.

No if we do sell Rooney. £30m and save 250k a week. Then why can't we use this money and the £20m from the "Dead wood" and what is remaining from our transfer budget let's say £10m min after we have Strootman and Thiago. that's £60 and we can use Rooney wages 250k a week and go all out to bring Ronaldo home

I now this is not going to happen but I doesn't mean it can't happen

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01 Jun 2013 13:12:49
Sorry ed don't see dortmund selling reus on top of gotze and lewandowski. And lamela sounds like a legal nightmare with his complex ownership. Myself i'd enquire about Moura and Shaqiri. Unlikely again. But i'm struggling to think of names. {Ed004's Note - I can't see Moura moving after 6 months and it would have to be a big bid for Reus.}

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01 Jun 2013 13:34:36
thiago wouldn't be able to play in a midfield two in the premier league. We'd have to totally alter tactics to fit him in.

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01 Jun 2013 19:04:23
@Ed004 After losing Goetze and Lewandowski I don't see Dortmund entertaining any offer for Reus. I also have doubts over his physicality to play in the premier league but that can be developed may be.

Haven't seen much of Lamela, is he any good?

REDFAITH {Ed004's Note - Lamela is a brilliant player}

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01 Jun 2013 11:40:26
United have signed Martin Skrtel. Moyes didn't like the current United bus driver and felt a new face would shake things.

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01 Jun 2013 11:14:55
Morning Eddss

Just wanted to hear your opinion on "Going forward". With Mike Rene and Erik gone and Moyes looking to bring the Everton backroom staff do you see us losing our way and god forbit it turn into a Everton. I do believe Moyes was the right choice but I am getting worried about how we will go from here. Surely our backroom staff are better than the Evertons?

Thanks {Ed004's Note - Morning! I honestly do not know how good the Everton staff are that he is bringing in and I do not know if that's even official}

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Agree with Ed004. We are heading into the unknown and nothing is official yet. We will have a clearer idea how things will work out in a year or two.

REDFAITH

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That is a fair point ED thanks

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01 Jun 2013 10:58:14
Good Morning REDFAITH

I just read your post from last night now no longer on the page and just to say you are way off the mark on many points. I do not want a Galactico policy but I do want to see two quality signings added to our team. There is almost an element of trying to lower our expectations in your posts. There are quite a few things I could say all over again but let me ask one thing.

Let us imagine that Ronaldo is indeed unsettled at Madrid, becomes available for transfer this summer. Your posts clearly indicate you would sit back and not even try to sign him but would carry on with buying lesser players.

So, the question is, our CEO ignores him as you demand, so how would you feel if he signed for Chelsea or City and ran out in a blue shirt at OT?

Red Man

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If he lines up in a blue shirt, I would like Jones to man mark him like he did in the Bernanbeu and take him out of the game and the rest of the team to keep him quiet just like they did at Old Trafford, win the league and show him that Manchester United are bigger than Cristiano. That would do nicely.

Dortmund showed this year that having so called lesser players means nothing if they perform better than their more expensive glamorous counterparts aka Ronaldo.

Although "lets imagine" is the key word here. He won't be leaving Madrid this year and neither Chelsea nor City have shown any interest in him so all this is just hypothetical.

My expectations are NOT in the transfer market but what we do on the football pitch. I expect United to win the league, Champions League and FA cup, let me make that clear to you. BUT I don't think buying Ronaldo and Fabregas is the only solution to that or that not going for players who are clearly not leaving their clubs anytime soon is a sign of no ambition.

I would agree with your no ambition tag if Fabregas became available and we didn't get him, or if Ronaldo was available this summer and a self sufficient football club like Bayern, Juve or one of the Milan sides bought him and we didn't.

REDFAITH

P. S. Its funny how you never answer how you thought not buying Torres from Liverpool or a clearly wanting Barca Fabregas from Arsenal was a sign of no ambition.

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REDFAITH

You didn't answer the question on how would you feel?

Jones may be able to mark him but in a Chelsea or City team they would be a substantial level better with him in it than the Madrid team we faced which had gaping chasms in team spirit. Either of those teams with him in it would steamroller the rest and leave us behind. Also they would have other top players and we can't man mark everyone.

I would also point out Ron scored the winner against us and suggest you look at our games at home against the existing City and Chelsea teams and think what they with Ron in would be like.

Ronaldo may stay at Madrid but I do think he is unhappy there. Your comments seem to come down to money or our lack of it and we would be able to compete far better without the debt millstone round our neck. We have had that discussion before as well and you are not one to criticise the owners but seem more willing to acquiesce and suggest we all acquiesce to lesser players so as to deflect criticism.

I answered you on Torres, I was a big fan at Athletico and if we could have got him for substantially less than £50m (less than half that) I would have taken him from Liverpool. That was a ridiculous fee for someone thought at that time to have an injury issue. The point could be made that Chelsea were showing ambition as they felt he was the right player for them and made a difficult transfer happen, because they wanted to improve. Some work out some don't but I still believe Torres has done ok just not anywhere near £50m worth. I wonder how you felt about Berbatov, £31m sold for £5m? Did he do that much better than Torres?

Self sufficient Bayern have just bought Goetze and probably Lewandowski, in our past we used to do the same, Andy Cole, Rio for example but now we now seem to hope to sign who might be available at a convenient fee. That is the difference I am getting at, RVP is the first time in recent years we have made a statement and look at the quality it got us. Still by all accounts SAF had to really fight for that signing.

On Fabregas I felt long before he went to Barca he was a good fit for us but there again we would have had to pay a premium to get him or similar players.
You seem happy to accept players who may improve us slightly but may also fail and may not lead to a challenge in Europe, you toe the line with the Glazer spending policy whereas I will highlight the fact that we are operating with one hand tied behind our backs and will not reach where Self sufficient Bayern are and will be or potentially even City or Chelsea with a timid transfer policy.

I remember signing Rio but we now have different businessmen running the club who are happy that fans are not too demanding. This summer we can't keep up this appeasement or Moyes will be exposed.

Red Man

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For God's sake red faith, we want the best players and the best team at United. Are u serious in allowing Ronaldo to go to city? Are u satisfied with Jones man marking him and for the rest of season, he bangs goals in for city.
what is it with our fans who think we should never buy the top players?let the glazers worry about the money side. We need top players here.

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"Are u serious in allowing Ronaldo to go to city?"

Lol no-name, chill out I don't think Red Faith is personally allowing any such thing and am sure he'd like to see Ronny at United given the chance.

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1. I would be disappointed if I see Ronaldo in a blue shirt, of course! But I don't think it matters who they buy as long as we buy the right players, get to the 90-95 points in the league mark and beat them. Chelsea having Hazard, Oscar and City having Aguero, Yaya, Silva didn't matter this season since we bought good players in RVP and Kagawa and ones like De Gea and Rafael improved.

Finally you realize that team spirit is more important as was proved against Madrid. As long as we have that in the squad with good players in there, there is no reason to worry about City and Chelsea.

2. I too believe Ronaldo is unhappy, but I believe that he wants a new contract and not a move away from Madrid. let's see if Bayern show ambition to sign him, may be then I could see your point. If he leaves, it will be next summer imo, and it will be to PSG or Monaco and I won't be losing any sleep over it.

3. I don't think not going for Torres was a sign of no ambition, United saw his decline as a player and were clearly aware that Liverpool won't sell to us.

Berbatov didn't work out as hoped though (i have previously stated that) I think he did better for us than Torres has done for Chelsea and we learned something from buying him and didn't commit the same mistake with Torres.

4. Bayern have paid Goetze's release clause and a similar offer was made by Arsenal last year but he has chosen to stay in his own country.

Why are Bayern going for Goetze and Lewandowski when there is clearly "a level above that" as you like to call it in Ronaldo and Falcao?

Surely you can see that they are making the more financially sensible deals rather than pipe dreams of expensive players who aren't likely to move anyway?

5. My problem with you is that you keep citing deals you know will not be done like Torres from liverpool, Like Fabregas from Arsenal, like Ronaldo from Real Madrid or Falcao and use it to say "no ambition" when its clear that we are ambitious enough to spend 100mil plus in the last two years and have the largest wage bill in the country.

6. Didn't we do something similar to Bayern by buying RVP, a top keeper in De Gea and paying the full release clause for Jones? I honestly don't see our transfer policy as much different from theirs. You can check Bayern's and United's spending in the last few years and it is very similar.

The difference between Bayern and us is that they have the advantage of having top german players coming through like Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Muller, Gomez and having players like Dante and Alaba while the English players are of significantly lesser quality. That is where we are lacking and the English clubs are at a severe disadvantage to their German and Spanish counterparts as a result.

They are also able to buy out their closest competitors since they aren't as good financially while we don't have that advantage with City and Chelsea with an endless pile of cash.

Also you will see that they sell the likes of Ribery, Gomez, Robben to finance their spending.

I want us to do the same by selling Rooney, Nani, Anderson and bringing in Lewandowski, Di Maria, Strootman but I just don't understand why we are trying to keep Rooney even though it makes better financial sense too to sell him and go all out for Lewandowski.

7. For the record I was sad that we couldn't get Hazard and Sanchez before that summer. I still can't come to terms with why we bought Ashley Young or Bebe when there were better players to be bought.

We need good players, but wasting our time on deals like Ronaldo, Fabregas, Torres, Falcao is not the solution.

We aren't City, Chelsea, Monaco, PSG in the market, we won't be even without the Glazers. It doesn't bother me as long as we have a better season than them on the pitch.

Iniesta, Messi, Schweisnteiger, are all players that I admire and would love to see them at OT, similar to what you do with Ronaldo, Fabregas, but I just don't see them leaving their clubs so I don't cite not going for them as a lack of ambition.

8. Fabregas might want to move next summer I think if he still hasn't cemented his place and I would be in full agreement with you that we need to go for him then. Right now, Thiago looks the likelier to leave and we should get him while he is unsettled, he is a quality player.

REDFAITH

P. s I know this post will not matter one single bit in changing your outlook and that you will continue to take the easier way out of blame the CEO and the owners instead of seeing the bigger picture.

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Ronaldo is not available so a pointless discussion really. He wants a bigger contract at RM. Nothing more, nothing less. If he was to have a bust-up and demand to leave (highly unlikely), then I wouldn't expect him to rejoin United as the club would be bonkers to pay £80m for a player they sold for a similar amount four years before. It's time to move on. People need to stop comparing our spending to City and Chelsea too, they are not self sufficient run clubs. Debt or no debt we wouldn't spend £87m on Ronaldo, Glazers or no Glazers we wouldn't spend £87m on Ronaldo. Time to move on.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - I am not sure but I reckon if Bale and Ronaldo were going for the same price I would probably favour a move for Bale however, Ronaldo is the far superior player I just think Bale will have a bit more to offer in the long run and he works slightly harder defensively for the team}

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Neither Bale or Ronaldo will join this summer. Both are vastly overpriced. MU will not pay well over the odds for a player. That has become pretty obvious. We are looking at Di Maria as Rodriguez at £35m was overpriced. Di Maria could be available for just €20m and IMO Di Maria & Zaha added to Young & Valencia is good enough for next season.

Sydney!

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REDFAITH, it's not just excessive fees that Sugar daddies are happy to pay for their new toys. It's excessive agent fees and finding fees or whatever. The greed doesn't just stop at the selling club, the agents, leeches, players etc etc want a piece of the pie too. The truth is there just isn't enough top quality players around to buy and the one's that are available are being snapped up by the toy clubs. Sad but true.

Sydney!

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REDFAITH/Sydney

On Ronaldo if it was just about the contract I would have expected some comment from him after Perez said about making him the highest paid player in the world. To me there is something else but whether it will drive him out of Madrid I have no idea. You would be Disappointed if you saw him in the blue shirt, just disappointed! sorry but I would be beyond disgusted with our owners for allowing that to happen. Yes we differ on that but as I have felt before both you and Sydney are more amenable to what the owners have done, your post seems aimed towards us all accepting the way we buy players now, almost to hopefully make us more agreeable to them.

I mentioned Rio, well if we had the attitude back then to transfers that you accept of our owners now then we would have bought a Richard Dunne type because after all he would have been reasonable and available. Would that have been reasonable?

I think there are a few on here now who have never known anything but success and don't realise the situation we are in right now with the change of manager. I sense too much over confidence in some that the team will just keep rolling along without the type of investment we need, with other clubs determined to make the type of investment in their own teams that we used to.

What drives me is a real and genuine concern we have missed the boat in Europe and accepting inferior players to those signed by our competitors will not get us up to that level again.

Finally I understand team spirit more than most but team spirit with quality will beat just team spirit and we are looking at that situation unless we are more demanding. I get the sense that both you and Sydney are a little too defensive of our transfer strategy and ultimately our owners decide that.

Red Man

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Red Man, regarding 'Perez'. Talk is cheap. It's okay him saying he will make him the best paid player in the world, but nothing has been agreed. I am sure when Perez meets Ronaldo's demands we will see a very happy Ronaldo who will claim he wants to end his career at RM. If Ronaldo was available both Monaco and PSG would have got him. He is simply not available.

Also I am not "a little too defensive" about our spending, I am just realistic and not as naive as you.

Sydney!

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Sydney is right United will not pay over the odds for a player I've been arguing the same point for a couple of years now.
Redman makes a good point with Ferdinand a while back we needed a cb we went out and payed a record fee for a cb and one of the very best in the world.
Would we pay that amount for a cb now, I very much doubt it.
The team is crying out for a top class cm, will we go out and break the bank for a Vidal or a Martinez no imo we will go for someone like strootman.

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Sydney

Rio Ferdinand or Richard Dunne?

I am far from naive but demand more from our owners, after all what was the breakdown of where the proceeds of the share sale went?

Red Man

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Red Man, I do not mean that in an insulting way, I just realise that MU are a self sufficient club and I do not expect us to copy Chelsea & City who are being funded by their owner.

Sydney!

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When I look at Chelsea there is only the Torres deal that I thought " your paying to much".
Essein drog matta Oscar hazard etc I think where all good deals.

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Red Man, Rio Ferdinand or Phil Jones? United do not always go for the cheapest option. We could have went for Dunne instead of Jones who SAF was a fan of. We could also have went for Stekelenburg for £5m instead of spending £18m on DDG. This is not the actions of a club being run on a shoestring.

When we bought Ferdinand we had a fully built squad so SAF had the luxury of spending all of his kitty on Ferdinand. Squads are bigger nowadays so you are never done building a squad these days. There's always several ways you can improve it. Bayern are proof of this. They are about to win a treble yet they are going to spend a lot rebuilding the squad.

Jred, Overspending is not just the transfer fees. Hazard's total cost would have been nearer £40m. Then factor-in salary and he is a very expensive 21 year old. I agree Torres and Shev were excessive amounts and to be fair to Chelsea they are trying to become self sufficient. They are still a long way away from that though and will need their owner's help for a while yet. Don't forget the amounts they spend on players that never play for the club's senior side, players that are out on loan.

Chelsea and City have net spent well over £500m in a few years whereas United have net spent less than £200m since 1992. I am pretty proud of that.

Sydney!

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Sydney

City and Chelsea may be funded by their owner but can you or REDFAITH enlighten me what happened to the share proceeds?

Red Man

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Red Man, you say you are not being naive yet you are complaining that the Glazers only used £64m of the share proceeds to pay towards the debt.

You are forgetting one very very important factor here Red Man. Whether we like it or not, it was THEIR money, not the club's money.

Sydney!

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Syd
I'm aware of that but I still think hazard was a good buy he's going to be a great player.
No one is saying we are run on a shoestring the issue is are we going to buy average or players with potential and resale value or top of the market.
You say ddg or stekelenburg well I would argue strootman or Vidal.
For me the best team in Europe is Munich a self sufficient club that last year went out and payed 30 mill for Martinez nearer 40 mill with agent fees etc even thou they all ready had a good midfield.
And have all ready payed 30 plus for gotze even though they walked the league and won the cl.
I can full understand Redman point of view, I think we could afford 2 top class players who would make a massive impact to the first team, however I don't think that is club policy at this moment in time

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Jred, Vidal isn't available my friend. Martinez was a good buy and at the time a luxury signing for BM. Goetze signing was a clever signing. Not just have they gotten a top player, they have weakened their only rival and opened a door for Lewandowski too who didn't believe had a chance of signing for them. Ed002 did say that next summer United were planning on going for Goetze. Hazard is a good signing, but I do not believe he is worth £40m.

Sydney!

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Also Jred, I think you and others maybe underestimating Strootman. We had a similar discussion about Lewandowski only a few month's ago and I maintained he is a top striker whilst others said he was overrated, four goals against RM later and he is the talk of the town. Strootman will be a top player, but probably will not be given the credit until he's signed for a top club.

Sydney!

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Sydney

It was money raised on shares in the club. You make it sound like we should be so grateful they gave us £64m to lower the debt. Hang out the bunting, wave our flags.

However, thank you, exactly the point, the owners of Chelsea and City put their money into making the club better to buying the top players but what happened in this instance with our owners?

What standard of players could we have bought with the rest of the proceeds?

Red Man

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Red Man, I am not saying we should be grateful for the £64m, as I was hoping for more to go towards the debt, but I understand that it is not the club's money, it's their money sadly.

After spending £500m+ on Liverpool would you expect FSG and their investors to put 49% of the club on the stock exchange and then put the £200m or so back into the club?

These are not real figures, but I think you get my point?

Sydney!

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4 goals don't make a player I would still have rvp over lew.
Vidal not available? All players are available at the right price, I think that's the whole point.
Strootman, I think you have said yourself he wouldn't be your first choice do you think he will be better than cleverly.
But I think you are missing the point Redman and myself to some extent are trying to make.
Also was Martinez a luxury buy or did Munich go out and buy Martinez because they want to improve an all ready good team.
Munich have shown the kind of ambition myself and Redman would like to see,

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Syd your banging your head against a brick wall mate.

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Exactly Jred

Sydney

Why should we not expect the owners to invest in players to improve their own business?

Are you really trying to justify them taking money out of the club whilst making us buy inferior players because of it?

Red Man

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I would rather RvP as well, but Lew & RvP would have been better than Rooney & RvP. My point was and I didn't mean just you Jred, Lew was overrated and not even mentioned by people before his four goals. Then when he scored his four goals he was the bee's knees. Since we have lost out on him Red Man mentions him as a top player (convenient that).

Vidal is not available and has said he has no interest in joining the EPL. My point with Martinez is that BM didn't necessarily need Martinez with the players they had. So he was a luxury and they could spend their budget on him as they didn't need to strengthen elsewhere. I am not sure how much Martinez actually cost and whether or not it was paid in bits. But I would say that RvP is proof that we are as ambitious as BM.

Sydney!

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Red Man, 99. 9% of clubs have owners that take money from the club. It's how a football club is usually run. Most of the time it is in the form of dividends, salaries or bonuses or a combination of all. It is a very small percentage of clubs that have owners who put their own cash into the club without ever taking cash back out or do not plan on taking cash out in the future. If the Glazers didn't pay interest I would expect them to take dividends. Either way they would be taking money out of the club. I do not expect the Glazers to put money into the club as it's not what normal owners do.

Who are these inferior players?

Sydney!

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We wouldn't off got rvp if he wasn't in the last year of his contract

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Syd
Vidal is an example of the quality of player we should be looking at.
What is your point?
Are you happy with our transfer policy would you be happy with strootman as our only cm reinforcement?
Do you think we can afford 40 mill on a player?
Do you think we should overspend on a player of top quality that will improve our midfield like Rvp improved our attack?
Munich are a self run club with the ambition to be the very best.
Jred

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I was wondering the same on these inferior players.

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Sydney

Putting money in "it's not what normal owners do". Come on Sydney what are City and Chelsea's owners doing, then ignoring the Russians like Anzhi I will ask what are Monaco doing?

Why do you defend the owners like you do? This thread has gone on so long, probably long enough but I was interested how far you would defend them.

We will get whatever players the owners decide whatever we write on here, let's hope they are good enough

Red Man

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Red Man, I am not defending the owners, I just don't expect an owner to buy our players for us. I expect us to buy our own players with our own money. That is how a football club should be run. That is how our football club is run.

Out of thousands of football clubs around Europe, you have just named five clubs. If you consider the rest of the world and other sports (Rugby, basketball etc) too the number of club owners who pump millions of cash into their club is rare wouldn't you agree.

Sydney!

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Jred, Vidal is not available. You cannot sign players who are not available. Could Anzhi sign Messi?

Do I think we can afford £40m on one player? Sure, but it would limit the cash to be spent elsewhere.

United are a self run club with ambition. Didn't we just win the league by 11 points? £100m in two summers.

Sydney!

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No name, join in and leave a name. We don't bite. We are not Suarez ;)

Sydney!

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Syd
read it again a pal, Vidal is an example of the quality of player we should be looking at.
If you had your choice who would you buy this summer

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Sydney

I named five clubs and in those are ones that matter

You do defend the owners methodology

The fact is that if the share money went to buying the players to improve the team we wouldn't be having this discussion but it isn't is it.

Red Man

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I better be quick as I'm on a promise ;)

If I could choose a LB, LW, 2xCM'rs & FW. I would go for Shaw, Reus/Di Maria, Strootman, Veratti & Lew. But I also understand they are not all going to be achievable as Lew wants BM move. Shaw likes Chelsea. Reus isn't available. Di Maria has international friends at PSG and Veratti isn't for sale.

Sydney!

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01 Jun 2013 10:41:50
I wonder if Suarez will do an odemwingie?

Andrew b {Ed002's Note - Seen outside Loftus Road this morning.}

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01 Jun 2013 09:42:05
WAYNE ROONEY has been told by Paris Saint-Germain that he can name his terms for a £30million move to France this summer - with the club ready to pay him £300,000 a week after tax.
Sorry to copy and paste ginger

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01 Jun 2013 09:26:36
Tel 1949 here boys and I wanted to give you my predictions on both United and LFC for next year.

United are about to enter a phase that you havnt seen for nearly 20 years. The team that won the title, in my opinion fair were lucky. They did not play brilliant football and at times were very mediocre. Dare I say it, if it wasnt for a few lucky wins and dodgy decisions, you could have finished 4th not 1st. You have now lost Scholes ( magnificent player ), Fergie ( old school but still a good manager ), Giggs is finished, Ferdinand is too old, Vidic will never return to his earlier form ( great player but too old now ).

So who are you left with that you could honestly say is world class? Van Persie ( great player but moody ), Rooney ( world class but surely on way out ). I honestly can't think of anyone else who stands out?

Moyes, what can I say? The man has won NOTHING in his career NOTHING. I still laugh when I think of last years FA Cup semi final. Everton were winning 1-0 and freewheeling to the final. At half time Moyes put 11 men behind the ball and invited LFC to attack, which we did, and of course we won. He is just not good enough, and thinks completely differently to Fergie i'm afraid. If United get a poor start I can see you being mid table by Xmas, then what? Moyes won't turn it round as Fergie used to. I can see big problems ahead for United, anageing team with no real backbone any more. The days of Scholes, Giggs and Ronaldo will just seem like distant memories as United falter and become mediocre.

LFC are not good enough to win the title yet, but we live in hope. new manager who has settled in well, playing an exciting brand of football at times, just a few key people short of a great team. There are some fantastic young lads coming through our ranks Suso, Kelly, McClaughlin, Wisdom, Sterling etc. We will need a couple of more years of sustained growth before we can become great again, but the young lads coming through give me hope.

My 2013 predictions:
1) United win nothing in 2014 and finish 5th in the league. Moyes sacked. Fergie comes out of retirement, but fails to progress the team that Moyes has built. German manager appointed for start of 2015 season
2) LFC win League Cup or FA Cup and finish 4th followed by winning title in 2015.

Kindest regards (from my hospital bed)
Tel 1949

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I needed a good laugh this morning, thanks for that.

RebelRed

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U lost the plot when u said u live in hope. every donket live in hope of becomming a racing horse. so at end of the day. a donkey is donkey and a horse is a horse.

Worry about your club. thank u for your concern. But we are millions around the world to worry and show concern for our beloved club.

And mind u. for us. its not next season is ours. its every season is ours.

Rodio17 {Ed004's Note - One question here for Tel? Do you actually believe what you write if so I'm beginning to really worry about you}

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Ha funniest post in a while. I mean seriously? I'm embarrassed for you.

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Yep got to be lucky to win by 11 points. Or as I prefer to call it 4 games BETTER than the rest of the league.

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Come on Ed004, Tel 1949 is clearly on the money here, the only issue I can see with his post is the replacement for Moyes.

Clearly it would be either Mark Hughes or Steve Bruce, with an outside chance of Roy Keane!

K79

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You slate a manager who lead a squad of less talented players to a higher league position than you. Yet you think with a far superior world class squad he's going to finish below you?

Nat

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01 Jun 2013 10:27:30
Tel,

You're unbelievable, where did you come up with that 5h1te about Wayne Rooney being world class!

Marcellus Wallace

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01 Jun 2013 10:28:39
Thank you for your concern ED but I really do believe what I write, even thugh its hard using a pc in my bed with all these drips in my arms.

When I see players like Phil Jones in a United shirt, and the United supporters all trying to justify how good he is, it absolutely amazes me. He is a good kid full of enthusiasm and heart, strong etc. but dear me he has no footballing skills. His touch is poor and he reminds me of those old fashioned centre halfs who were fearless, but also had very little actual football skills. He has no vision and is a very poor passer. If he played for LFC most United supporters would be laughing at him, he is no different to Steve Bruce. There are other players in your team who clearly havnt performed, notably Young, Valencia. They were both bought by Fergie and are clearly not United type players, hence the continual use of Ryan Giggs last season.

I like Chicorito, RVP, Rooney and young Wellbeck has real promise but honestly who else have you got?

My own beloved team has Gerard, Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho, Agger, Reina, Johnson. with a host of very promising youngsters coming through. McClaughlin, Wisdom, Coady ( England Captain ), Henderson, Ibe, Allen, Suso, Morgan, Sterling, Teixeira etc. With the exception of Gerard and Reina. all very good players, capable of taking us to the top.

Liverpools youngsters are on the verge of just breaking through now, with 7 young lads blooded last season alone. Of course I delighted with our prospects, what supporter wouldn't be with a squad like ours?

From 2015 onwards I believe the top 3 clubs will be City, Chelski and Liverpool. with nited and Arsenal fighting it out for the last Champions league spot

Football works in cycles, and the loss of Ferguson will hit Uniteds future hard. He is virtually impossible to replace. I know you must all be a little worried if your honest with yourselves. My advice would be start getting used to mediocrity, because that were I believe your heading. honest!

Best regards
Tel 1949

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Moyes who has won NOTHING still got Everton to finish above BR's Liverpool (who BTW has also won NOTHING). Now he's got a far superior squad at his disposal so I don't understand your logic, lol.

Suarez & Carragher out, Aspas & Toure in - yeh I can see now why you're excited about 'next season' (LFC fans catchphrase) can't wait!

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I've no interest in Liverpool, I don't have an interest in any mid table team to be honest. You're right though, Moyes hasn't won anything, but he will soon enough. I'm not 100% sure but I don't seem to recall the mighty Rodgers winning any trophies either, in fact the man who replaced him at Swansea managed it in his first season. I think I'm right in saying Moyes lead a small squad at Everton to a higher league position than your own club! If I was a Liverpool fan, and I'm glad I'm not, I would be more inclined to worry about who will replace the hard done by Suarez than anything to do with United. I would also be concerned about how much of the Suarez transfer fee Rodgers has to spend and hope that they don't waste it all on a player like Andy Carroll!

I'm looking forward to a summer of you history boys telling us all how your great club won't win anything next season but you will the one after, again!

Big G

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I hear you say how well Brendan Rodgers is doing, yet moyes still topped Liverpool (who have a stronger set of players than Everton) AGAIN, yet you say how average he is?
Plus, when you talk about the stand-out players at united, you forget arguably our best player last season, Michael carrick.
Furthermore, more than half of the youth you spoke about being so promising for your cherished Liverpool, I'll probably never hear of again.
I don't worry about Moyes, I worry about the backroom staff. I rated rene meulensteen, and I believe moyes should have kept him at first-team coach for at least another season. I mean, he's obviously there for a reason, right?
I can also see moyes wanting to stamp his authority on the club, offloading players such as nani, Anderson and more, even possibly rooney, as I doubt moyes will want want-aways on the get-go. Then he could bring in one or two big players, we all know who they could be (hoping for a bid for Bale)
But Tel come back on to this brilliant website, when you learn not to be biased and when you learn a bit more about football. I agree Liverpool will improve (if Suarez stays, but that doesn't look like its happening) and I can see us coming 2nd or 3rd this season, but I can also see us 1st. Not getting 1st in the first season under moyes won't bother me, I just want to see a strong campaign in Europe (semis), to stay in the top 3, and possibly an fa cup. That's realistic isn't it? Unlike your predictions tel.
Brand

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01 Jun 2013 11:24:45
i love how you big up your youth but ignore ours. What was the score in the last U21 game? If your pinning your hopes on them then be afraid. Scholes was a great player, but he contributed nothing this season. Vidic actually looked to be getting back to form and someone put the stats up yesterday on goals conceded with and without vidic. Doesn't look like he's on his way down to me. Rio also had an amazing season despite being old with a bad back and all the england farce. As most of us keep saying we just need four signings. You really think we will just stand still? You talk about your team and ignore the deep issues you have. You have a dodgy keeper. You have a suspect defence that has one good player and your signing a mercenary and a bloke from relegated reading. Gerrard is in decline. The rat has jumped off the sinking ship. Sturridge will soon get bored. Coutinho only joined to earn a big move. Your future is bleak. MrE

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01 Jun 2013 11:32:32
I know your worried boys, and I can't blame you either. The curtain is being deployed on a remarkable chapter in Uniteds history. It will not happen again, trust me.



Regards
Tel 1949

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Tel I get it that you are lonely and bored ever since your season ended in Christmas but this is not the way to go about spending your time trolling.

You need a girlfriend mate.

REDFAITH

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Tel, but why should we trust you when you've been spouting the same old rubbish on here for years? I know you're getting frail but you must remember making similar non-sensical statements last summer and the summer before etc.

It's getting old, just like you.

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01 Jun 2013 12:32:15
Redfaith more like he needs a puncture repair kit. Most deluded scouser around.

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I have a feeling tel thinks this winds us up or that it is funny. When in fact we are just laughing at him. What a tit.

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Tel. You need to have a word with your doctors to reduce your morphine drip.

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I was wondering why you were in hospital. Going a little mental Tel?

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31 May 2013 20:12:58
1. Arsenal having a "first option" on Fabregas gets mentioned quite a lot. Has it actually been confirmed anywhere?

2. The biggest wishful thinking from the Arsenal side is that they inserted a clause of being given 50% of any transfer fee for Fabregas should he move anywhere other than Arsenal. I simply cannot see a club like Barcelona agreeing to such a deal.

@Ed002 or any other eds do you have any idea if these clauses in Fabregas' contract are a reality or just newspaper and twitter rubbish?

REDFAITH {Ed002's Note - Any clauses in his contract are nothing like what is being suggested. There is a release clause and I understand an option for Arsenal to match it if anyone should offer it - and they won't. It is best to avoid all financial and contractual matters.}

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Thanks Ed002. Thought all that was being said in the press was BS anyway. If he doesn't cement his place by next summer in the Barcelona side in his favored position then it could be interesting but I don't see him leaving this summer.

Thiago more likely.

REDFAITH

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01 Jun 2013 08:53:52
Chelsea's philosophy is to buy young 'quality' players. so why would they want Rooney

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They don't

Andrew b

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Chelsea's philosophy, seriously
DHK

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Chelsea philosophy. don't make me laugh. Ba?

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01 Jun 2013 06:50:47
Now the express is reporting PSG are interested in Rooney and they are willing to pay him £300,000 after tax, they could even raise his pay.
They are ready to pay £30million to United for his services.


Ed, have you heard anything on this.?

MD_11 {Ed004's Note - No but Ed 2 said PSG would become interested}

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01 Jun 2013 04:22:12
ED do you think we will loan Zaha back to Palace?

I know we have had loan deals in the past where players have ended up warming the bench more than playing but with Zaha at Palace we can be sure he will play all 36 games if fit. {Ed004's Note - No I don't think so}

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01 Jun 2013 00:45:38
Does anyone know when Adnan Januzaj contract expires? ED?

REDSB

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June 2014

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I believe I read somewhere he had signed one recently but don't hold me to that!
Tommy!

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01 Jun 2013 01:02:34
If Rooney were to leave we would need someone to fill the gap upfront and despite the talk of lewandowski and other various strikers I'm suprised a certain Roberto Saldado has not been mentioned. I personally rate him as one of the best strikers in the world with him being constantly scoring goals and being near the top of the scoring charts in la liga year after year. Is there a reason he is rarely linked with a move because I would love him at Old Trafford next season.

Sparky

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01 Jun 2013 07:35:21
I'm not so sure anymore. If we play with one striker then RvP and Hernandez will get us loads of goals, Welbeck and Zaha can play there if needed to. So we would have four strikers for one place in the team. I think Hernandez deserves to be given a more prominant role within the team. He is a hard worker and never causes problems, he is a natural scorer. Plus he has worked very hard on improving all the other aspects of his game, and he has done.

Then in the hole we have Kagawa who is potentially world class if given the chance. Giggs for experiance and young Powell coming through along with Januzaj. Then if the rumours are true then Thiago could well play there if needed.

So we have no where to play Rooney and you could argue if we sign Thiago then no need to sign anyone else to replace Wayne with.

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Another Hazard, Moura, modric transfer tussle doubt he's Manchester bound if the scouser Ballaguie is hinting/praying we may miss out.
Hope DeGea can persuade him!
Dylan

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Agreed sparky. Strange that he's not got a move to a big club. He's a superb striker.
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Don't think we need another striker as it stands but if Moyes did decide to change things around the. I wonder what all you lovely folks would think of signing benteke?

he certainly knows where the net is, something welbeck could do with discovering and soon.

of course, he'd have to lose the silly blonde dye job, but we have hairdressers in Manchester. it could work.

Andrew b

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Doh, sorry just realised i'm an person. benteke doesn't have blonde hair. doesn't seem to stop him scoring goals though.

Andrew b

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01 Jun 2013 00:40:03
According to Tancredi Palmeri, Thiago's agent (his father) has given Real Madrid permission to negotiate with Barcelona over Thiago. He states Madrid are now in the driving seat ahead of United for his signature.

Take it as u wish.

Shot stopper

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Never trust agents. Typical price rising strategy if what you say is true. Say another team is interested so utd come in with a bigger offer.

Ste.

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01 Jun 2013 07:49:35
Interesting, Thiago's only reason for leaving is supposed to be about playing time. I wonder how he rates his chances of getting ahead of Alonso, Khedira, Modric, Ozil, Ronaldo, Di Maria ect. Also with Madrid without a manager how can any assurances over playing time be made. I would say from Madrids point of view this move may be more about getting one over on Barcelona rather than signing a key target.

He would be better of moving to United where he will get loads more game time and play at a high level. The only concern he could have is whether he would fit into the premier league. If he is only worried about playing time and doesn't want to leave Barca then maybe a loan to one of the other champions league qualifing teams in Spain would be best.

Although i'm hoping he moves to us.

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01 Jun 2013 12:39:28
Barcelona won't sell him to Real Madrid, and I don't think Real have any interest at all. They have bigger fish to fry this summer and he won't get any more game time there than he gets at Barcelona.

Unless the move is motivated by money I he won't go to Madrid. Just twitter rubbish or his agent trying to stir up interest imo.

REDFAITH

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01 Jun 2013 00:12:33
rumour is strootman and fellaini to utd as moyes will be playing a 4-2-3-1 formation and strootman and fellaini will be the 2 mid players! also eds I've also heard we could be signing a player called bruma? never heard of him could you shed some light please :)

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01 Jun 2013 08:00:09
Hmmm, I would expect to see Carrick as first choice next season still with maybe someone else being bought next year to replace him. Maybe Wanyama.

Bruma is a very talented winger playing at Sporting Lisbon, deja vu anyone?

He is a top prospect but I would worry about the nunber of young talents we are being linked with, Shaw, Varela, Bruma ect.

Now signing youngster is a key part of our identity but we need to tempur that with signing players who are ready to be a part of the first team right away. If we only sign players who are 5/6/7 years away from being at there peak we'll end up like Arsenal, forever having a team waiting to peak and reach their potential but losing the best players before they do so.

Bruma is a great young player but so are Powell Zaha and Januzaj. So with three young players who play in a similar role who are all very talented and are trying to break into the team already it begs the question of why do we need another? Surely those funds would be better used bringing in players who are needed for the here and now, or maybe future talents in other areas which are more needed.

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