Manchester United Banter Archive May 01 2013

01 May 2013 23:11:41
Newcastle fan in peace (not in any position to ruffle feathers now anyway if you know what I mean). I was wondering what your thoughts were on this situation. You buy Ronaldo and Lewandowski, What do you think will happen to rooney and welbeck? they will both want to be in the starting 11, maybe drop rooney into midfield and tell welbeck he stays on the bench or sell welbeck or rooney or both?

Geordie Al

I'd quite happily let Rooney leave, I don't think I'd notice that much if he weren't in the team and that in itself says a lot compared to a couple of years ago when I thought it would be devastating.

I'm not saying I want him to leave, I'd be happy to see him in midfield, if he could sort out his fitness and think his short passing leaves a bit to be desired.

Welbeck I like, think he is a good young player, and a loyal one at that, something very rare in the modern game. But I can't see him ever being a week in week out starter. Given our current crop I'd be happy to keep him as a winger but that again depends on signings.

01 May 2013 23:36:53
Welbeck's young he'd accept rotation. Rooney can like it or lump it.

Id have to agree, Rooney as been massively overrated the past 3 seasons. In the world cup a few years ago the press were saying will the world cup be remembered for rooney or messi? To even mention rooney in the same breath as messi is daft

Geordie Al

01 May 2013 21:32:53
Lol, did anyone else hear the Bayern fans singing footballs coming home? Fair play to them for destroying Barca in both games, Bayern made them look positively ordinary throughout. Everyone on her raves about the Dortmund team but they lag a long way being Bayern in the league. Should be a great final

The Germans, after winning 96 actually adopted the song as their own and the players started a sing-a-long from the balcony of their hotel. So it is no surprise to me that the Bayern fans started singing it whilst the why were garrunteed to be playing at wembley for another trophy!

Paso

01 May 2013 19:30:00
I think Fergie saying 2 possibly 3 players to be signed will be Rodriquez if the likelihood is Bale stays at spurs and then one of Strootman/Gundogan who by the way looked a quality player against Real last night with either a possible 3rd being Lewandowski if he becomes available this summer.

TomP

I think Strootman and Rodriguez could well be 2 signings this summer. Exactly what we need.

Gundogan as much as he's a good player I think he'll be staying at Dortmund for a couple of seasons yet, people just like the idea because he's looked good recently.

01 May 2013 19:30:00
I think Fergie saying 2 possibly 3 players to be signed will be Rodriquez if the likelihood is Bale stays at spurs and then one of Strootman/Gundogan who by the way looked a quality player against Real last night with either a possible 3rd being Lewandowski if he becomes available this summer.

TomP

01 May 2013 17:33:51
Surprised to see cleverly playing for the U21 s might be in contention for the weekend

Does seem a bit strange and I'm sure 'certain' posters will come to the conclusion that he's on his way out or is being taught a lesson. I think you might be right though, he's been rested and kept out of the limelight recently so perhaps SAF is getting him ready for the last 2/3 games now (in terms of fitness) by playing him in the U21's.

He getting sold! Only joking, but he better get fit for the next campaign. Its a big season for him next year, this is where we see if he's capable of be a Nicky Butt or an Eric djemba-djemba.
Who remembers Liam Miller?

aaallj5

Aaallj5, although I agree it is a big season for Cleverley next season, he is already far better than Djemba-Djemba & Liam Miller. Next season will determine whether he is a regular in the line-up or a very good squad player. He is in zero danger of being sold.

Sydney!

Well the theory of him being rested goes out the window. I think next season will be a telling year for him as to where his career goes with United.

Shahram

Shahram, how on earth does it prove he wasn't being rested? Very odd post.

He has been rested for a month playing zero minutes. He will need to build his fitness up again before he returns.

Seems he is being carefully managed for next season. We do have the one of the best sports science team around.

Sydney!

Shahram

I don't think it's been a case of purely resting him but also keeping him out of the limelight and out of the high pressure of the run in. I think he did OK earlier in the season, but played a lot and started to fade. This is purely good man management by SAF. If Cleverly is to play again this season (now the pressure is off) he needs to build up a bit of match fitness, which the U21's is ideal for.

I would think SAF sees Cleverly as a good squad option who still has time to improve. But for next season I hope we buy a top CM to take the brunt of the action away from him.

HBadger

Sydney

You said you thought he was done for the year based on the theory of having played too much football. That theory does not hold as what is the point of him playing in the U21 3 weeks before the season is over. I would agree if it was start of the season and he was just getting some game time for fitness sakes to be followed by first team action.

I am not a cleverly basher and very undecided on him but it might be that the manager just did not pick him the last few weeks because of his form.

Shahram

Shahram, I said I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't play another competitive game this season. He has been rested for over a month since 2nd April, it's not surprising he has had a game in the reserves. When you are being rested you still need to keep your fitness levels up. His performances were starting to dip a couple of month's ago through fatigue. You reduce the number of games, but you cannot stop exercising completely, you still need to keep your fitness levels up.

Sydney!

01 May 2013 17:07:36
Strootman is the New Gareth Barry. Why would we sign an Average Midfielder? He is slow Even Jordy Claise and Leroy Fer are better than him in the Eredivisie. The only player who would improve our Midfield is Luka Modric. Fact and Fergie knows it! {Ed004's Note - So the Dutch midfield captain is no better than Barry?}

Don't talk nonsense. You obviously have never watched Kevin Strootman in your life. He is an all action, box-to-box midfielder with a terrific left foot and he doesn't shy from getting stuck in. He reminds me a lot of Steven Gerrard, and if he ends up half as good then he will be some player. He is the captain of the Dutch national team for a reason.

GRD

GRD

There is nothing remotely even comparable between gerard and strootman. I wonder if you have ever watched him (not utube s. t) after making that statement.

Shahram

01 May 2013 22:48:23
Exactly Shahram well said. One's over rated and the others Dutch

I've watched him on five or six occassions and each time he has reminded me of Gerrard in the way he gets about the pitch, plays passes short and long and is a great leader. Don't insult me by trying to educate me on spotting a football player. As for Steven Gerrard being overrated that is ridiculous. Are you telling me you wouldn't have wanted Gerrard in our engine room for the past ten or so years? Of course you would have. He'd get a game for us even now. One of the best, if not the best, central midfielders in PL history for his ability, leadership, drive and longevity. If you are telling me Steven Gerrard in his prime was anything less than world class then your opinion is void to me. Only a bitter person who is anti-Liverpool would disagree.

GRD

I am not insulting you but they are in no way similar. Gerard at his peak was a great player and Strootman is not Gerrard.

Strootman lacks pace and a very different player. He is difficult to describe as he is ok in many parts of the game but not great in a specific area. The closest player that comes to mind is Khedira.

Shahram

Gerrard has been one of the best England midfielders of all time but I highly doubt his ability and skills as an engineer GRD

Gerrard is pants i'm not bitter but the lad plays in a really below average team an has done for a long time I don't know much about strootman but if he is like Gerrard then keep him. I think Gerrards loyalty to liverpool has stopped him developing to a truly great player with another team. i'm not saying he is the worst but far from the best an someone said the best over the past few years em paul scholes has being the best hands down.

CAIN

I noticed the post about Strootman being as good as Barry is never left his name. I don't blame you. you know nothing about football spouting crap like that.

Simmo

Gerrard is a person who shoots at every oppurtunity at goal without looking for other options and technically inferior in midfield.

gerrard is not fit enough to lace scholes boots

nikz

Guys/GRD

Gerrard according to the manager turned us down on 2 occasions so obviously SAF saw a lot in him. He is not what he used to be but in a united shirt would have been unbelievable if you can get past the fact that he is a scourer.

GRD you are overrating Strootman, I find his lack of pace worrying in as recent as the Ajax/PSV game as Erickson just ran rings around him and completely outplayed him. The funny thing is I am not that big on Erickson either and out of the current Ajax setup rate Fisher the most as being United quality in a few years.

I am also not convinced we are even going to sign Strootman and personally believe we will all be surprised by our transfer signings.


Shahram

Im actually convined he won't even buy a midfielder so I can carry on moaning about it on here all next season.

Simmo

01 May 2013 16:02:45
sir Alex you will have to puy the players you want quickly because other teams might try to do a better deal

I don't think he comes on here mate

Brendan81

I'm sure he's reading this and thanking you for the advice

Ok, will do mate.

Sir Alex Ferguson

Sh!t really? Ok I'll get on it now!

Alex

Lol Gav

Damn!

Not to self - 1) these jokes don't work when you're signed in 2) I was beaten to the punch anyway!

All in all, ignore my 1st post, it was a travesty!

Next time hb, next time

01 May 2013 15:29:17
Ed 004 - should've addressed it to you in the first place.

Reports on Guardian suggest that Lewandowski will not be moving to United. Big Blow. Any truth in this?

Raghav. {Ed004's Note - I've no idea Ed 2 has said nothing has changed regarding were he is moving to}

01 May 2013 14:41:48
I know that I change my mind a lot on here, but I'm going to stick my neck out and say exactly what I think will happen in the summer, so:

I think that we will sign 3 first team players, I don't think Zaha will affect this as I think we bought him a year sooner than we wanted give the interest of other clubs, our hand was forced so to speak. So I think the 3 will be Ronaldo, Lewandowski & Strootman. Why? Well all three are nearing the end of their deals, like Kagawa & RVP they therefore represent good value. Ronaldo is in his peak and the other two will peak within 3 years I think. SAF has said that essentially you can never have enough top players in one position so I think Lewandowski in particular is likely. Signs point to Ronaldo and Venus is lining up with Jupiter and all that and I think now is the time to make our move for him given the situation at Madrid and what's going on in his personal life and SAFs age. As for Strootman, well the signs of the agent suggests a move, we know we're interested and he seems the most likely.

So that's my 3 INS, as for OUTS. Well the writing on the all is plain to see for Anderson, Nani & Macheda. Nani & Anderson will be put in the shop window. Macheda will hopefully be bought by Stuttgart. Bebe's attitude stinks so I hope he leaves and its time for Scholes to retire. Its then between Herndandez & Rooney. Given Hernandez attitude I think he will be kept, Rooney for me will go, his wage is too high for the role he is seemingly moving into. a squad role. I don't see us offering him the same deal. IF he stays then it will be for a considerably lower wage. Expecting PSG to move in for him though. I also think that Lindegaard will be on his way and Amos will be number 2 with Johnstone number 3 choice. Its about time that we bring another home grown keeper through.

As for the youth and Fletcher. Well Fletcher I think will come back in a limited role or become a coach, that's the most I see for him. Youth wise, Januzaj is the one that I expect to step up. Henriquez, Keane's could make it but a loan is likely. Tunnicliffe, Cole & Lingard will get loans but realistically they won't make it. We may see youth come in, perhaps a pre contract agreement for Jon Williams from Palace?

So in conclusion:

INS: Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Zaha, Strootman.

OUT: Anderson, Nani, Rooney, Scholes, Macheda, Bebe, Lindegaard, (LOANS - Henriques, W. Keane, M. Keane, Virmijl, Tunnicliffe, Cole, Lingard).

Realistically we are looking at £100 - £120 million spend with £30 - £40 million back in. But sponsors allegedly will take care of Ronaldo which would ease the pressure on us.

I think fergy is right we will sign 2 first team players prob strootman and gatain

I'm with you but I think Hernandez will go to Real as part of the deal for Ronaldo. We may also go back for Baines. We'll get about £25m for Rooney, £15m for Nani, £8m for Anderson, then about £5m for Macheda, Bebe and Lindergaard in total bringing in £53m.

Ronaldo would be about £45m with Hernandez included, Lewandowski about £20m, Strootman about £12m and Baines about £13m so total spend of about £90m. Therefore we would only be spending around £37m in total. If Chevy are interested in helping with Ronaldo's wages we'd have 4 excellent signings for not much money really and the first 11 would be much much stronger.


Brendan81

I do completely agree and it would be good to get Baines however Buttner and Fabio will get their chances next year I imagine. I'd be happy with either scenario, don't care who doesn't think that Ronaldo will come back, it's all opinions at the end of the day!

Fresh!

01 May 2013 12:45:35
Gds were paying arsenal in 4 staggered installments for rvp apparently, i'm over the moon he came but paying like that if its true is not exactly splashing out lol.
johndenton

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John,

I deliberately didn't mention anything about money in my post as I know our limitations when it comes to that, my response down the page was to one suggesting we 'do not buy big'. It is not about how much you pay but the quality of the player. If we signed Carroll for 35 million or rvp for 24 million that doesn't mean Carroll is a better player. I know that isn't quite what you were getting at just want you to be aware I associate buying big with buying quality not expensive players.

Also to the no name below slagging me off for daring to suggest you leave a name, how can you not see that if you leave a name it helps get your point across. If you don't then your posts just get ignored or disrespected as they could easily have come from a scouser or a WUN. Most people on here are more likely to read a post from Sydney, shappy, AJH, gav etc and have a nice little rapport. Hence why the eds created the sign in.

Obviously it is up to yourself but if you just want to post banter there is 100% no reason why you wouldn't leave a name I can think of. I have hardly been 'no name police' I just respond to no names by calling them no name, how else am I meant to address you?

United paid Arsenal in a one lump some, barring a £2m bonus which I think was dependent on whether we won the league or not. We did so AW will be rubbing his hands together.

Transfer fees are amortised over the length of a contract, so say RvP cost an initial £22m, for the purposes of the accounts it will show £5.5m leaving the club for the next four years.

Sydney!

01 May 2013 13:46:05
I think most of the no name no value posts are all the same no name. I also suspect them of coming from Stockport or Bootle. Bertie Wooster

01 May 2013 15:27:21
GDS,

Seriously think your wide berth idea was spot on, you are wound way to tight, you must of just lost the EPL to city or something.

A little bit of humour does you good, turn that frown upside down.

No name,

Thanks for proving my point you person.

01 May 2013 11:27:06
A change of direction from the normal posts on here atm. There is lots of talk about who will be coming and who'll be going. But the youth players seem to have been overlooked when looking at it.

Now i'm not talking about the Januzaj's the Powell's and the other players of that age, but the older youth players for whom this summer will be pivotal to their future careers.

We have Amos, Thorpe, Giverin, Vermilj, Blackett, Tunnicliffe, Petrucci, Lingard, Cole, Bebe, Macheda, Cofie and Van Velzen.

Here we have 13 players some of whom may have a future at the club and some which need to move on to create space for more talented younger players and for their own careers.

Bebe, Macheda, Giverin won't make it at the club unfortunately and need to move on.

Cofie and Van Velzen are unlikely to make it and haven't progressed as much as they threatened to earlier in their careers.

Amos I think has a future as a solid understudy for De Gea with Lindegaard possibly leaving this summer.

Blackett and Vermilj are good prospects who I think will be given another year or two, maybe even go on loan.

Thorpe and Tunnicliffe I think are at a key point, Thorpe for me if he makes it will probably be a midfielder as there is too much competition in central defence.

Cole and Lingard need a loan to progress further, I think both should be kept.

Petrucci I think is the tricky one, he has the talent to be a top player but seems to be made of glass, went to Peterbourgh and was injuried within a few weeks. He can't handle the physical nature of british football. Maybe loan him out to Ajax with the view of trying to find a buyer for him in europe where he the league isn't as physical.

What do you guys think?

You missed Ekangamene who I think will be a beast, some of his tackles are brilliant but he sometimes has the knack of giving the ball away after making such a brilliant tackle, so if he can work on this aspect I think he can have a future here.
Everything else I agree with, with the exception of loaning Petrucci to Ajax, surely it would make more sense to loan him to our dutch feeder FC Twente

Winston

I think there's 8-9 on that list that won't make the grade shappy, bebe, macheda definate departures, I also don't think tunnicliffe has kicked on, blackett needs a loan, cole I don't think will make it or coffie. if we sell lindegard and bring in a n/o2 to deg hea then amos will leave, at his age he needs regular game time. thorpe has been used in defence and midfield so offers versatility so might progress?. I think we have got more probables in the u18 squad with 6-7 very talented individuals who hopefully will make the grade.
johndenton

I think blackett has got more time to progress than any of the others you mention shappy but he needs to go on loan next season, Since lingard has come back from leicester he looks very low on confidence and hasn't really improved from last season so I don't hold much hope for him, the same i'm afraid applies to tunners, love his passion but most of the time he just looks like a headless, angry chicken and again imo hasn't shown much sign of progress, as for petrucci, I really wanted to see him make it but unless he can keep himself injury free, others will always be in front of him, On the goalkeeper situation, I can see both amos and lindegaard leaving as I think sam johnstone has more ability than amos, whether he's ready to be number 2 yet though i'm not sure.

phil

Agree with most of what has been said, I think johndenton has guessed pretty close to what will happen in reality.

HBadger

01 May 2013 13:32:16
I left Ekangamene off as I feel he will be here for another year or two yet for him to develop.

With Lindegaard likely to leave I see Amos staying with Johnstone as third choice.

I don't think Lingard Cole or Tunnicliffe will ultimately make it, which is a shame as they are great lads.

Shappy, there is absolutely no chance of our three keepers next season being DDG, Amos & Johnstone. There is no way the manager would do that. If Lindegaard is sold an experienced keeper will come in. The club will need to decide whether they go with Begovic or an experienced keeper that is willing to sit on the bench.

Sydney!

01 May 2013 15:48:35
If Lindegaard leaves then I don't see the club spending money on someone to sit on the bench. The only way I could see us sign a keeper, is if we sign someone in their mid-late 30's to help DDG and fill in. But it would be counter productive to sign someone who would challenge for the first team spot.

DDG is first choice, I understand there being a worry about a lack of experiance if we only have DDG Amos and Johnstone but DDG is first choice at his age and will play nearly all the games. Amos can sit on the bench just in case and play a few cup games. I don't see the point in spend money on a player who will sit on the bench most of the season and who has no chance of becoming first choice.

There is isn't enough experience Shaps, it won't happen my friend. You have to prepare for the worse, what if DDG gets a cruciate, Amos is not ready to become a MU number one. It will not happen Shaps.

Sydney!

01 May 2013 17:41:07
I agree with Shappy on this one. Ben Amos is a very decent back-up keeper and Johnston is even more talented and has been brilliant on loan.

The Keans imo will be here next season and are not far off from the first team, especially Michael. I expect Will to get some time to get back from injury before beeing loaned out.

You left out Veseli though, who has been playing really well recently. He can cover CB, midfield, and both fullback positions. He needs a loan next season to the championship though.

Lingard, Cole and Tunicliffe have not done enough this season to warrant a place in the squad especially Lingard who was a major disappointment after his performances on tour.

Petrucci is one unlucky lad. His attitude is top notch and he is probably the most naturally gifted player in our youth levels, on par with the likes of Daehli, Januzaj and Powell, but it:, 's just not happening for him. This season was supposed to be a breakthrough season for him, but it just wouldn't happen for him especially with two long term injuries. I think a full season on loan in a league outside the top 5, for example in the Eredivisie or Ligas Sagros would do him a world of good and if he manages to keep improving, he can kick on and become a regular in the squad.

Blackett also had a poor season. He has bettered by James at left back, and is not that good as a centre back, but he is still 18 years old and has time on his side.

Henriquez needs another loan deal. Either championship or like Petrucci. Januzaj needs a good half a season on loan, championship or a bottom pl club, depending on how his pre season turns out. Powell should be blooded in the first team and given more games in the first half of the season, and should be shipped out on loan to a premier league club.

Michael Keane should be loaned out to Ajax, he is ready. If Fabio comes back, Vermijil shoukd be sent on loan to the championship, if not he should start guetting the occasional game filling in for Rafael.

That leaves the younger players. From the u18s, a couple of players stand out. Daehli is the first that cones to mind. Half a season at U21 level and then a loan deal to Molde or a championship club would be nice. James Wilson and Andreas Pereira, who has been having a bad season and has not progressed as expected, should stay at U18 level.

Another academy player who doesn't get mentioned often is Ben Pearson, who is crazy talented and has the exact same playing style as Paul Scholes in his early 30s ( mind the gap in quality.

I forget mentioning some of the players, Ekangamene for one. The lad is a beast, very Tiote-like and should be shipped out on loan. i'm not sure if he has enough quality on the ball to make it at the top level, but he deserves a fair chance.

Some have mentioned Tom Thorpe and say he might make it due to his versatility, but Veseli offers that same versatility with better distribution and quality on the ball.

As for Macheda, Bebe and Cofie, I think all 3 shoukd be sold. Macheda and Bebe don't need an introduction, but Cofee on the other hand. well he is big, strong and extremly powerful, in the RVN mould, but we have a lot of up and coming strikers who are simply better than him. Will Keane, Henriquez, Wilson, and even Tom Lawrence ( argubly ) are better prospects than him. Did I forget anyone?

Mick

Watched the u21 quite a lot mick and only my opinion but I've not seen enough from vesseli to think he will make it I could be wrong, I agree with you on ben pearson though every time I see him play he stands out, he's got a great engine and never stops running.
johndenton

Nice write up Mick!

Unfortunately I haven't been able to watch much of the U21's this season but just to echo one of your points - I've noticed Blackett has been starting on the bench regularly. I'm surprised because I was expecting him to make great strides this season, so it's a shame things have not progressed as well as we'd like. He is still young though so hopefully he takes a step in the right direction next season, see how he gets on in the U21's again then possibly a Jan loan if he shows promise.

02 May 2013 00:25:22
You say Amos is not ready but imo he is no worst than Lindegaard but with more potential. So he is a better option imo.

If DDG can be trusted at his young age than an older Amos can also be given a shot in those circumstances.

Signing another goalkeeper will only serve to damage DDG confidence and waste money we don't have on players who will only be needed if DDG has a serious injury.
By that logic we need another RB because if Rafael gets injuried we only have Smalling and Jones who can play there and neither of them are as good as Rafa and they are about the same age as Amos who can't be trusted at his age to play for the first team.

We looked at other keepers earlier in the season when DDG was having a tough time and Real and Barca were apartently interested in him, I would say that it is prudent to keep an eye on other options when there is a chance you could lose a key player. Begovic is the only keeper we were really linked too and he is too good to sit on the bench but not as good as DDG imo and he would cost at least 12m. It's a total waste of money.

The only way I see us signing a keeper at all is if it is someone like Friedel who is at the end of his career and is happy to step in if DDG is injured and could pass some vital experiance onto him. But wouldn't expect to be first choice.

Other than that I expect to see DDG as first choice next season with either Lindegaard or Amos as back up.

01 May 2013 10:14:19
Considering QPR are relegated now, most of the players will move out as they will not be able to afford the wages. Can anyone here think that we should look at Granero?

Is he the type of player in midfield we are looking to recruit? {Ed004's Note - No. I don't think we should be looking at any QPR player and the only player I would consider looking into signing would be Cabaye if Newcastle go down}

Although I agree with the Ed, if we were to go for a QPR player I would say Cesar as a backup to DDG. However, I don't think he would do it, and I'd prefer Begovic.

MEF

01 May 2013 08:53:53
It appears that Rooney is seeking assurances over his future. First he held us to ransom over his wages, now he's wanting assurances over his future.
How about we tell him to get of his fat butt, train properly, come to pre season in reasonable shape, learn how to control a ball, build up his speed to 90% of what it was 5 years ago. And then, we might start appreciating his undoubted talents.

Well said no name, my thoughts exactly.

Brendan81

It is ironic that these rumours have come round and bit rooney on the backside - Fergie talked him out of leaving- gave him a new bumper contract and now he's no longer top dog.

I for one believe selling rooney would be a mistake, as on his day he is the world's best but he has some changing to do - I have never seen him so slow and lax with poor control - I can see him taking up a midfield roll but I don't know if he has the temperament and composure that carrick and scholes bring with the position.

Utd have a decision to make - cash in on him now when you can still get a decent price or hope he gets his form next season - although having rooney, RVP and lewandoski would be a steller forward line

The only trouble is McMoan has 'previous' in caving-in in this area.
Didn't Rio hold you to ransom over wages after his enforced absence due to forgetfulness?

Puzzled

Giants14,

If Rooney is moved into midfield do you think he is capable of becoming one of the top midfield players in the world?

If the answer is no, then we shouldn't be offering him a new contract. I don't see any sense in paying a player £12m a year on the off chance that they might become a top class midfielder. Keeping Rooney only makes sense if he gets his act together, gets himself in shape, and if we don't sign Lewandowski. On his day, when he actually behaves like a professional athlete, he is an excellent forward. But if we sign another top class forward then Rooney needs to be sold. As a midfielder he isn't worth anything close to £200,000 a week.

Danny Pughnited

01 May 2013 11:03:10
As on the nail as that post is, please beware that GDS the self proclaimed No Name Banter Police will be all over you shortly like a tramp on chips.

Danny Pughnited

Good post and good points.

Personnally I don't know if Rooney will be a top midfielder, seeing him a couple of times in that position this season I would say no but can he adapt?
I do believe this could have been Fergie's plan all along to play Rooney in a deeper position and role.
His long passing is second to none - he has the pass and the vision to suit the role but his general play, control/touch and discipline to play in midfield is up for major debate - a lot of people are praised him for the passing and controlling the game in midfield specially in the Stoke game but he did give the ball away a lot as well - his discipline on the ball and awareness needs to improve for midfield role - as a forward giving the ball away doesn't have an awful impact but giving the ball away in midfield can be costly, that's why Carrick is so good, he gets the team moving and sets the tempo - one thing I don't thing rooney can do at this moment in time.
Saying that he has played forward for his entire career, saying he can't play there from now is impossible cause only time will tell.

I would be surprised if we bring in Lewy and a forward doesn't leave, if this happens I see rooney dropping into midfield

No name is that is wrong, every1 here likes people to leave a name so we can have a discussion with that person.
When speaking to people in person do u switch off all the lights?

Well puzzled how much did stevie me hold your club to ransome for a few years ago?
Bet all the poor liverpool fans still wake up in cold sweats after that nightmare, well loyal that bloke la!
P. s i'm very happy for 10 games at least the prem is a safer place without Hannibal playing, does it still hurt u? Are u all still getting owned by Ed002 in your page?

01 May 2013 04:19:13
Manchester United are intrested in signing 27-year-old Italy international midfielder Claudio Marchisio from juventus.

I'd love him at the club but I'd much prefer Vidal, 2 years younger and better equipped for the type of midfielder we need