Manchester United Banter Archive November 01 2012

 

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01 Nov 2012 17:50:19
I have a question for fellow Redmen. What is total debt of our club? Last weekend there was a documentry on one of the American chanels on the Glazers and there business interests. Up poped Manchester United and debts of $750 million were being discussed. Yet £360 million is on our balance sheet. What is PIK? And why are our accounts in one of the most secretive states in the US Delaware. This really worries me, if they have nothing to hide, why go to Delaware? Finally how much did they raise with share sell off and how much of it went into the cub, this was unclear on the show. If some money from share sell off went to US, where exactly did it go?
Belfast Red {Ed002's Note - I don't know the debt right now but it will be in the order of $750M. The debt can only be reduced by buying back bonds and some holders will not want the money before 2017. The PIKs are nothing to do with the club. The share sell off is nothing to do with the club - the owners sold a small amount of their shares. The money is theirs. Delaware is tax advantageous but financial statements for the club are produced regularly.}

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Gross debt stands at £360m according to Edward Woodward. Gross debt stood at £432m as of June 30th which can be seen clearly in the club's accounts. Since then £63m has been deducted. The £63m is from the floatation. The next quarter will show the current gross debt and it should stand at £369m. We will see soon enough.

Sydney!

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{Ed002's Note - If the £63M went to pay down the Bonds then it would have almost certainly been as a loan to the club or it would have been taxed.}

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Ed002 why would it be a loan to the club. The club raises money through a listing and some proceeds of the lsiting were used to retire some of the bonds. The bonds are due in 2017 and I believe they club will continue to buy back and retire the bonds over the next 4 years and the proof of that will be the next financial statement and the interest expense/coupon that will be stated.

Shahram {Ed002's Note - The club did not raise the money through the listing, the owners did.}

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I understand that Ed002, but why would Edward Woodward say the club has a gross debt of £360m if it isn't true? It also said in the listing brochure that the £63m will go towards paying down the club's bond debt and the rest of the money will go to the Glazers. I think we are due a quarter so we will know for sure soon enough. I will see if I can dig out that brochure if that's the correct name for it.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I have no idea what EW has said Syd and generally find the whole matter pretty tedious. The reason for the owners saying that they would use the funds to pay off some of the debt is as a precursor to a larger floatation that will not now happen in the short term. It is also not necessarily possible to buy pack all of the bonds early as some bond holders will not want this money on their accounts as it would then become taxable. It is critical to remember that any funds raised from shares sold are the owner’s funds not the club’s funds. It benefits the owners to use money to pay back debt as it keeps the share price buoyant – but they are under no obligation to do that. They could float 25% of their remaining shares and not put any of it in to paying off debt, but they would raise proportionally less money from doing so.}

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Ed002, I couldn't agree more and I fully understand that the Glazers are selling THEIR shares, and that they are not the club's shares. I understand that they can float 25% more for say £400m and then blow it on whatever they wish. They could buy a baseball club if they wished. I do understand all of that, but the £63m/£64m was earmarked to pay down the bond debt and according to EW they have done just that as debt stood at £430 odd million and according to him it now stands at £360 odd million.

I understand many will not want to sell back the their bonds, but according to Andy green the redemption fee is the same as the initial value of 8.75%. I thought that was strange as it is usually higher. Ed002, can I ask what you believe the Glazers plan to do with the rest of the £360m debt (if correct)? Do you think they will refinance in 2016 at a much lower interest rate or do you see them keep paying it off like they are doing until the interest payments get so low that the revenues will just keep paying it off quicker and quicker each year? Thanks for your time and opinions anyway.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - You cannot force the bond holders to sell Syd. It is perfectly possible for them not to want the cash, even with interest fully paid up now, as it becomes taxable now. I really don't see any significant moves in teh short term. The debt is being managed.}

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Ed002, Thanks for your time. Can I ask now January is approaching is there any United news your end? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Beyond those mentioned, the interest in Sampirisi is serious.}

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Thanks Ed, I am sure the sale of Wootton would be inevitable if this materialises.

Sydney!

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01 Nov 2012 17:23:57
3 sensible main signings i wud love to see come in january/summer...
Strootman
Rodriguez
Baines
who would be your 3 be peeps .

JEB

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Baines, hallenovic (spelling) and wanyama

Caolán.

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Sven Bender
Rodriguez
Baines

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Coentrao, Rodriguez and Wanyama...... Not going to happen but still.

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Lars bender/ wanyama
Muniain/ Rodriguez
Papadopoulos/ Hummels
and a couple of youth players would not be too shabby either.

Mick

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Sign ronaldo
and get an attacking trio of
ronaldo rooney van persie
no need to sign a good midfield :P

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01 Nov 2012 17:22:04
Guys I noticed januajz was in a couple of under 21's squads recently, anyone know how he got on and is there an under 21 game tonight?

Caolán.

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I didnt watch the matches but i was told he looked ok. Didnt set the world alight but was effective and did his job. Expect him to improve steadily.

Our next match is on monday against stoke if my memory serves me right

Mick

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01 Nov 2012 17:19:12
Just throwing a question out to the floor. Who do you think will be our next long term left back - say for the next three or 4 years. I'd like it to be Fabio, I'd like him to do as well as Rafael but I'm not sure if he'll make it. Likewise with Buttner, he has a lot of work to do. And then Evra, well he only has a year left at this club I would think. Blackett isn't yet ready either. So where do we go from here? Who would you want?

Fresh!

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Baines

Caolán.

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Cole
jred

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The french left back for lyon is pretty good.

Shahram

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Hmmm.. I have been mulling over this question for a year or two as I have been hoping we had bought Baines by now and sold Evra but we haven't so.... Fabio to me hasnt got the ability to be a full back he would be better as a winger imo. Buttner is a far better attacking full back than defending ad that my hinder his progress as a good player. Blackett imo has the potential to be sensational imo he reminds me of Micah Richards but a left back. So in 3 or 4 years Blackett should be and I hope he is and maybe chucking him in at the deep end may have proved fruitful instead of brining in Buttner.

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I'd like to see fabio given a chance for a season.

Desired.

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Fabio is potentially a better prospect than rafael.

Supasub

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Supasub that might have been true 4 years ago but constant injury hasn't helped fabio and has stopped his progress. Playing constanly has helped Rafa massivley and he's over taken Fabio.

I'd rather keep Fabio as back up to Rafa and go sign a proper left back. Would have been Baines in the summer but i think that ship has sailed. And i want Cashley nowhere near this club.

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Would have to plump for Baines

Gav

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Ogbonna has been spoken about recently. Not just an impressive CB but can also play left back.

TJ

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I was actually hoping to see Brady given a chance at left back the other night when Fergie was re shuffling the team in the 2nd half. I know he's essentially a left winger but SAF seems to think he might have a chance at left back. Nothing chanced, nothing gained.

An Dun Red Devil

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01 Nov 2012 15:59:23
Just finished watching the game. what a game. both of them.

and so chelsea edged it. Matteo got his comeback.

fine showing from both sides. when we click, the talent we have is easy to see. I thought, at times, the most inventive of the football that's been played this season. Tired defenders whos fitness will improve in maturity, tired mistakes against Hazard Mata and Oscar, hats off clever players, they did well
it was a good game to watch, good showing of potential
Nanis Chicaritos and Giggs' goals fine goals

..cons..

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01 Nov 2012 15:27:43
I think everyone agrees on the positions we need strengthening on in the transfer windows, whether it's January (Highly Unlikely) or certainly in the summer. Left Back, Centre Back and Midfield...

I can see some big name departures happening in the summer, the obvious ones being Giggs and Scholes. Still have influences on games but it will be their experience in big game situations that will be the main loss in the dressing room. Maybe keep Giggsy on as part of the coaching staff.

Other departures will include (in my opinion) Ferdinand, Evra and Nani aswell as a few fringe players who have had their chance and flopped (Bebe, Macheda etc.)

Now yes these may be past their best and one jut under performs 9 times out of 10 but yet again their experience is crucial and we will miss that.

My ideal summer replacing these would be;

Rodriguez
Hummels
Gundonagan
Baines

But we all know this will never happen, we just simply don't have the funds for some of these transfers but I expect a shrewd bit of business in the coming summer from Sir Alex (If he is still manager) and I think the summer could shape up like this...

Thomas Ince (£5 million) or Isco (£17 million)
Mats Hummels (£20-24 million)
Kevin Strootman or Yann M'Vila (£15 million)
Ashley Cole (Free transfer)

For a start I think we all agree Ashley Cole is an absolute tw*t but if a world class left back like he still is comes available on a free, I would and I'm sure Sir Alex would bite the hand off and seal the deal. Still talented and is a very experience player (Also very good mates with Rooney).

Kevin Strootman or Yann M'Vila- Strootman as we all know has interested Sir Alex for some time and he will be available in the summer. Yann M'Vila could be a 50/50 option, yes he has had his problems and with him training with the reserves because of off the field problems he would be available on the cheap. No question of his ability and would add that steal that we are missing.

Hummels- Best centre half in world football, Composed on the ball but also a big physical presence. Has the best attributes from Ferdinand and Vidic and would build a solid partnership next to Smalling or Evans in the future.

The Ince and Isco one is a tricky decision to make. Ince would be a cheap, british option and their is no question about his pace and ability. Isco could be WORLD CLASS, his buy-out clause is currently £17 million and that is definaetly reasonable. I would personally go for Isco but it would depend on how much we spent in other positions.

RedKnight

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If ferdinand stays, cole comming in would be difficult.

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That's why it says... Ferdinand in the sold list

RedKnight

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I think Cole is morel likely than people think. I can see Evra leaving and Ferdinand going to West Ham or US. Hummels or Subotic is possible, Strootman is highly likely and Ince also is. I still think we may go for Muniain/Rodriguez/Isco.

So, in terms of incomings, I'd say:

Tom Ince £6 million
Matt Hummels £25 million
Kevin Strootman £15 million
Ashley Cole - FREE
Victor Fischer £4 million

That'd be around £40 million spent, and we would have some significant income from sales. So I think we'd do very well with those changes.

Fresh!

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I hate to burst your bubble but almost all of those transfers wont happen.

Hummels is off to barca to replace Puyol.

Strootman is not UNited quality.

M'Vila, do you really think fergie is going to go anywhere near him with his problems?

Cole again do you honestly see him at United? If he doesn't sign at Chelsea he's off to City. He was a good player but he's a grade 1 mercenary and that sort of player we can do best to avoid.

Baines lost his chance in the summer.

Ince is about the only one anywhere near likely but is he good enough?

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Subotic - 15m Hummels will prob go to barca
Tom Ince - 5m
Sven bender - 15m
Ash cole - Free
Viktor Fishcer - 5m

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If Vidic finds his form again and when jones and smalling return i dont think we will need to sign any additional defender.

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Gundogan is very talented but very overrated. He is suspect defending and is not effective in keeping possession. Imo not any better than strootman and neither is goos enough to be the main playmaker in the team. And more importantly we need a defensive midfielder.

Papadopoulos : 15 m/ Sakho : 25 mil/ Mapou Yanga M'biwa : 10 mil
Muniain : 25 mil/ isco : 20 mil
Lars bender/ yann m'vila/ victor wanyama : 15 mils

I havent listed any borussia dortmund players because i beleive guetting them will simply be too hard! I mean why would dortmund sell, and why would the player want to move? they are a big club and well have to overpay to get any of their players.

Mick

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Why wouldnt fergie want m'vila, i know he has been banned from first team matches for rennes but fergie would be able to control him and m'vila might also be available at a cut-price so why not? as for cashley, i hope he stays at chelsea or goes to psg because he and rio dont get on and id rather have rio than him

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No offence guys, but if we make a serious attempt to get that whiny, snarling, arrogant, hateful little p***k Cashley, then I will be seriously ashamed with the powers that be at our club.

I've said it before, but I'll reiterate it - knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing would pretty much sum up our leaders if this was the case - show some class for God's sake.

We're Man Utd, not a retirement home for ageing primadonnas!

StevieK

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01 Nov 2012 14:43:53
Score predictions for Saturday everyone?
Im predicting a nice 5-2 win with a van Persie hat trick a Rooney goal he always scores against arsenal and a goal from chicha he's on great form!

Caolán.

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3-1 to united (RVP 2, Rooney) (Walcott)

Big Mac

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4-1 for me RVP 2, Rooney , Chica for us
and Podolski for the ages without a trophy team.

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3-2 to arsenal. Rooney and scholes for united

Walcott Mertesacker and evans OG for arsenal.

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2-1 united

shahram

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9-2?

;)

-JakeW

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8-2? Rvp all 8 ;)

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01 Nov 2012 12:51:41
While I think our second string did well last night, Buttner is starting to give me a bit of deja vu. I know it's harsh to judge him on a handful of games in a new league, but the lad seems to lack any sense of defensive awareness. The whole thing reminds me of Obertan a few years back. Both players were considered to be well below United standard in their respective countires, and it came as a big surprise to their clubs when United made offers.

I know it's early days but the lad has looked completely out of his depth in the last two games, and he's not exactly a youth player. In fact, he looked far less capable and composed than Keane and Wooton who have minimal experience at senior level. When we loaned Fabio I thought that we must be looking to get someone in who can really push Evra for a starting berth. Buttner isn't looking like the player who can do this.

Danny Pughnited

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He reminds me on dani alves good going foward risky defensively.

Caolán.

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He reminds me of Rafael of a few seasons ago. Great going forward but needs to work on his defending. I wouldn't write him off yet, both Evra and Vidic were a similar age when they came to us, and to start with both were abit suspect. Look how they've grown and lets just be patient with Buttner, he's only played three games.

Shappy

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Dani Alves is about 500 times the player of buttner at the moment!

GDS

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That's kind of the problem though Shappy, a couple of seasons ago Rafael was a promising teenager. This is how Buttner has been playing, he has bags of energy and pace but he seems completely out of his depth defensively. The problem is that he's 23 and at this stage he should be far more compotent both positionally and in terms of composure.

I'm not writing him off, but when he moved a lot of Dutch football writers claimed he was nowhere near Champions League/International level. Ultimately he needs more games if we want him to improve but he's proving to be such a defensive liability that it's difficult to play him.

Danny Pughnited

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Lads WISE UP!!

the first game he played for us defensively and attacking he was sound and every1 here was calling him the messiah to replace evra....

he has 2 dodgy games and everyone thinks he wont make it blah blah blah.......if rooney for hear say had 2 bad games you would just put it down to bad form knowing he would eventually come good again.....in fact rooney was rubbish for about 6 or 7 months a couple of years ago and every1 was calling for him to leave........

lets just keep things going the way they are, victor moses is a beast of a player, most players struggle to defend against him due to his pace and strength....buttner did seem lost i admit but give the fella a chance ffs!!

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Sorry guys i can't even see how you can compare him to Alves. Alves has more ball skills in his toe than this boy. I know we all support the club but surely you can see if the guy has talent or not. Rafael always possessed great ball skill and lacked awareness. Buttner is useless and will be another wasted signing.

Shahram

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If Dani Alves didn't play for Barca, he wouldn't be considered half the player he is concidered. Really Overrated.

Hoppy

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Shahram :

I beleive they are comparing him to alves in terms of playing style not ability, same way we compare Daehli to Iniesta, cleverley to xavi, Powell to gerrard. It doesnt necessarly mean they are as good, but the playing styles are comparable.

Mick

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Everyone remember how bad evra was on his debut, and how everyone said he wasnt good enough to play for the club. the next few seasons he was one of the best fullbacks in the world. give buttner some time to get adjusted to playing for us and with a settled team before judging

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01 Nov 2012 12:43:56
Hold on hold on...Anderson has had a half decent game and now some of the fans on this wesite say he has to start, he's better than Carrick etc etc.
Get a bloody grip will you!
Just shows how fickle some of you are.
Unbelievable!

Simmo

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Anderson is a bloody good player - and thats not based on a couple of games.
You get a grip,

Mike

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Anderson put a motm performance and did what carrick could never do: push the team forward. When is the last time that carrick shone? You might keep saying he is underrated and very useful, but i dont think he has enough quality to be anything more than a squad player.

Look at the 99 team, he wouldnt have got a game with the likes of keane, Scholes and Butt in midfield. Shows us how worse we are atm.

Mick

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Ok Mick based on what??
Why is he a bloody great player.
The guy is in his 6th season at Man United, what exactly has he done to be credited as a bloody good player because im struggling with that one my friend.
What has the 99 team got to do with this topic of discussion, we are talking about a completey different gereration of players who by the way had more talent in there left toe than the whole of Andersons body.
You can't just say he's a bloody good player without backing it up so lets hear it or can you not think of anything.
Give you head a wobble mate!

Simmo

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Actually i think you re confused. There's Mike, and than there's Mick.

Anderson is not a bloody good player. He is a bloody talented player. If he improves his fitness, he can be one hell of a player. But even on current form, he offers more to the team than carrick ever will, since we never have, and never will, play the tempo that suits carrick.

We play fast attacking football. Carrick is a slow player, both in terms of pace and decision making. He holds onto the ball way too much. Basically a midfield version of berbatov ( minus the skill and vision of course ), and thats not who we need.

Anderson on the other hand, the second he gets the ball he just runs towards the opposition goal, and thats what makes him so dangerous. Now if he loses all that extra weight, and improves his fitness, you can only imagine how much more dangerous he would be running up and down the field with a range of passes, skills and vision that carrick never has and never will have. Same goes for cleverley, who will never have the ability of anderson, and that's unfortunate.

Mick

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I tell you why he is a great player, I recall when gerrard was at his peak he playe him off the pitch same with fabregas and he was phenomenal last night.

Caolán.

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Simmo i can understand your frustration about ando, but you cant deny the boy does have incredible talent

his fitness and injuries have always went against him since he arrived, fergie i feel is also to blame, the guy was an attacking midfielder when he came from porto and the majority of the time fergie was playing him in a deep playing midfield role, sometimes central........

everything has just gone against him, he played like a proper box to box midfielder last night and i was so impressed and happy to see him pull off a performance like that against a near full strength chelsea midfield which he ran in my opinion

if he can stay injury free, get more fit and play like this the majority of his games then i feel we wont have a need to buy another midfielder that most of us think we need....

Robbo

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Oh yeah that game when he played well against Gerrard...what year was that again??
Robbo - im sorry you can keep saying he has talent but when will he show us this talent? Six seasons he has been here and he has done jack Sh*t!
Mike - i was taking the Mick...nevermind it's wasted.

Simmo

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1 good season plus 10 to 15 games in the following four years is well below my criteria of what makes a great player.to even suggest that he could be the long term solution to our midfield problem with that kind of track record is stupid.

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01 Nov 2012 12:25:18
Giggs Goal on chelseas mishap. pure class
respect the composure

..constantine..

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01 Nov 2012 12:13:03
With his latest excellent performance, complete with match-winning injury-time goal, Juventus fans are beginning to realise that in Paul Pogba they now have a fourth central midfielder ready to play regular first-team football. Manchester United supporters, however, are perhaps cursing the fact he was ever allowed to leave Old Trafford.

For those who had previously seen the 19-year-old at close quarters, his recent impact has come as no great surprise. At a club famous for its ability to nurture players through its youth ranks, Pogba stuck out among United's budding youngsters for some time, before making his controversial switch to Juventus Stadium this summer.

His supreme ability on the ball, excellent balance, power, great passing range - off either foot - and tall frame, made him stand out for United's youth teams, and if anything, the one drawback was that he would switch off when games became a little too easy for him. Even at international level, Pogba found the going rather simple, and for those who followed him it was obvious he was already primed for first-team football.

But, when United failed to offer him that on a regular basis last season, he jumped ship. "I didn't renew with them because I didn't find a deal with Sir Alex Ferguson," Pogba explained after his winner against Bologna on Wednesday. "So I decided to accept the offer from the one team that was really interested in me, that being Juventus, and now I am very happy to be here."

Ferguson himself saw it differently. "Pogba signed for Juventus a long time ago as far as we're aware," the United boss told MUTV shortly after the transfer. "It's a bit disappointing because I don't think he showed us any respect at all. To be honest, if they carry on that way, I'm quite happy that he's away from me anyway."

Yet with each passing performance, he must be making United increasingly unhappy, just as he is bringing joy to Juventus.

Pogba is the first youngster in decades that the Red Devils really wanted to keep but failed to do so and their folly in inviting the Bianconeri to Gary Neville's testimonial in May 2011, three weeks after Pogba had turned in a Man of the Match display for United's Under-18s against Juve's youth side, simply came back to bite them. Add in their hardball stance during contract negotiations, and if Juventus' transfer committee did indeed get to Ferguson's prized asset, it was not as though United had done their utmost to keep the Frenchman out of their reach. They did not protect him, they flaunted him, and for that they paid the ultimate price.

Whatever the truth behind the move, Antonio Conte is fast coming to terms with the fact he has a twice-weekly selection headache to contend with. He may only be 19, but Pogba has a bit of everything talent-wise, and is clearly ready for first-team football. If he does not get it at Juventus Stadium, his agent Mino Raiola will ensure he finds it elsewhere, and with the qualities he possesses, he has every right to be impatient.

Now he will surely see more football. For the opening two months he has been largely used as an occasional alternative to Claudio Marchisio, Andrea Pirlo and Arturo Vidal, but his recent increased exposure to the first XI must be the catalyst for a potential rethink. At the very least, he is already the fourth man in a genuine rotation, and he has enough in him to eventually upset the order and make a starting shirt his own.

While Ferguson's men come to terms with having to make the most of their weakest midfield in a generation, the 'one that got away' is only getting started in his potentially glittering career with the Old Lady.

WE REALLY MISSED A TRICK HERE...

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People say 'forget about him' etc., but then go on to say we desperately need a 'strong', 'physical' 'top quality' centre midfielder. Well we had one. His name is Paul Pogba, and we're already being proved wrong about not doing more to keep him here.

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Yes 'Forget about him' - i say we need a strong, phyiscal midfielder - we offered Pogba a contract, correct me if im wrong but the largest contract ever given to a youth player and he signs for Juventus, I dont care for players who think they are bigger than the club, he might become a world class centre midfielder or he might not but he's not a United player anymore so why should we care?
Plenty of players have left United and become better off - Pique, Forlan etc but doesnt mean we should cry every time they have a good game.

Giants14

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Seria A isnt compariable to the EPL in terms of physicality or quality imo

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Pogba forget him in 3 years time mats daehli ander perrerria and adnan januazj will all be ready and better than him.

Caolán.

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Can we please stop talking about this? He was a young player who had his head turned by his agent. It happens all the time, deal with it and move on, it's boring. I come on here to read and talk about United not Juventus match reports and cut and pastes of every article written about an EX-PLAYER!! {Ed007's Note - Seems like a good and fair shout to me.}

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01 Nov 2012 12:10:37
Keane- I know he has inexpeirence but i beleive he could be immense , he needs a chance of first team football regulary

anderson ! - i have always beleived he has got potential!

He loooked slimmer last night which might comfirm rumours of strict diet!

his performance was great, if he does this on a regular basis we could have our midfeilder were in need of in terms of winning ball and running past and powering through players!

Big V

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Anderson slimmer? dont know about that ;), probably the same size as me and im not a professional sportsman lol

Giants14

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01 nov 2012 12:08:47
hi guys!!

i know we have a lot of good strikers in our squad but how about replacing welbeck with either jordan rhodes from blackburn rovers or charlie austin from burnley ...they both can b good squad players

redcore!!

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LOL.

TRUMORS

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.....is the worst idea I've ever heard.

TK-Red

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Well why not keep him, and not buy the other 2. Great idea that is !

Mick

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Charlie Austin went from being a brickie (I think) to europes top goal scorer in 3 years he's scored more than messi and Ronaldo this season.

Caolán.

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01 Nov 2012 10:45:20
Why are so many posters going on as if we were the only team to play youngsters last night, just look at the following, the Chelsea starting team had 6 players who were 23 and under and they brought on another 2 players under 23, whereas we started with 5 players who were 23 and under and brought on 3 players under 23. The fact that most of the Chelsea team were first team regulars tells you the strength of their youngsters and the strength of ours, the fact that they are not home grown makes no difference to the results on the pitch. If Nick Powell or Kagawa fulfill all of their promise will posters on here be saying it doesn't count as they weren't home grown, of course not, it is about quality, pure and simple.
For me last night it was a Utd squad/reserve team against a very experienced Chelsea team whose manager was desperate to win. As such we were fantastic and were really unfortunate not to see it out, as in the last ten minutes we were under considerable pressure. I think we missed a trick by not having some experience on the bench (Scholes), if only to be used as a last resort to see the game out should it be needed and that was exactly what we needed, hindsight is wonderful !!
The downside was yet again the performances of Buttner, Nani and the continued loss of form for Welbeck, whilst the performances of Ando, Chico and Rafael were outstanding. The exit door beckons for Nani and Buttner needs to do a lot of work on his defending as he has been responsible for 3 goals in his last 2 appearances.
A special mention for Keane who impressed yet again and he looks to have a big future if he continues to develop and also gets games. Sadly for Wootton he lost his confidence after conceding the penalty and will struggle to break into the first team squad.

Keanooh

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It is not a matter of there age it is there experience... Hazard may be young but he has played internationally and cost £30+ million Oscar cost £25 million..... They ended up with all internationally played players on the pitch and had like their first team that played sunday bar Ivanovic, Cole and Torres.... We had Buttner, Keane, Wooton, Powell they havent played 20 games for us all together and cost less than £10 million all together. We had no Rooney, RVP, Young, Valencia, Cleverley, Carrick, Evra, Ferdy, Evans, DDG. 10 players not even used that were played at the weekend that is the point they had to bring on there big guns as clearly Di Matteo was using the match as revenge and Fergie really wasnt that bothered.

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No name - That is exactly my point, the likes of Hazard, Oscar etc have experience because they play at the highest level every week as they are good enough to do so, whilst our youngsters don't, as they are not good enough to do so at the moment and some never will play for us on a regular basis.
Some people have been going on as if we were the only team that played youngsters and that just isn't true. Others are saying that our youngsters are home grown, unlike Hazard and Oscar etc, but then conveniently forget that we reportedly tried to sign two youngsters for the first team this summer, Hazard and Moura, not forgetting that we actually signed Kagawa.
Like I said, it was our squad/reserve team against an experienced Chelsea team with a manager who was desperate to win and the players put up a great performance.

Keanooh

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Hi keanohh the reason these guys play every week for Chelsea is the fact they have nothing to get in the way off they went straight into the team. At united it's different if you want to get in the side you need to be a supernatural talent.
Strikers- we have rvp the best in the world Rooney welbeck, heck Hernandez hardly starts!
Midfield- yes our midfield isn't great but it's the most important part of the pitch in my eyes and you cant just throw an 18 year old in at the deep end.
Defence- Evans jones rafael vidic evra Ferdinand buttner. How is anyone going to break through there?
Finally goalkeeper- how is anyone going to dislodge de gea in about 2 years he will be up there with the likes of neur the young keepers will be battling for the number 2 shirt.
It's not that Chelsea's younger players are better it's the fact they don't have half as much competition for places as we do.

Caolán.

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Caolain
hazard and oscar would both get in our team as would bertrand and mata
jred

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Ramires, Mata, Hazard, Oscar and Bertrand could all play for our starting eleven.... Maybe even Cech could. The point is there players may be young but they are special talents with experience Wootton will never make it at United and Keane will end up like O'Shea.... Just look at the teams from Sunday and the teams from last night and there is a few changes to their side that is classed as their first eleven and then our side where 10 players were missing.

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Caolain - Please swap seats with me at OT as you obviously have a far better view than me.
It's hard to know where to start, so here goes, you really believe that none of Oscar, Hazard or Bertrand are better than we have and they wouldn't get a game at OT.
You reel off names in defence like Rio, Evra, Evans etc, is this the same Rio and Evra that are criticised every week on here and the same Buttner who has gifted 3 goals in 2 games. As for the rest of the players you mention in defence only Rafael has played consistently well this season.
Up front, I agree RVP is world class and Chico seems to have re-discovered his form, Rooney is a quality player, but for me Welbeck has lost some form and if he wasn't at Utd I can't see too many people on here asking Fergie to sign him.
Midfield is weak and has been for years, so just compare what we have done in comparison to Chelsea, they offloaded Essien, Meireles (spelling) and have put their old stager Lampard on the sidelines whilst signing Oscar and Hazard, what did we do, we asked a 38 yr old to come out of retirement. They also have a world class 24yr old in their midfield called Juan Mata, now tell me that none of those players are better than what we have.
You mention having to be a supernatural talent to break into our team, well we did have a 19yr old who was recognised in world football as being that good and what did we do, not play him and off he went. I don't know where you get the idea of throwing 18yr olds into our midfield and I certainly haven't advocated that, but I do believe that if you are good enough then you are old enough.
Having written this post it has suddenly occurred to me that your reply was just banter and you never really meant a word of it.

Keanooh

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No I mean it's easier for them to get a game because of the fact who do Chelsea have who play in their position? No one of they get injured who replaces them, our younger players have far more competition for places.

Caolán.

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So you suggested in the tightest of title races last year to go with an untried youth player or experience. If Paul scholes didn't come out of retirement last year we would have been no where near the title he transformed our season.

Caolán.

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Caolain

i am not sure how much football you watch and what you base your views on mate. Complete left field stuff the players that are mentioning would get into our team and our young guys are not getting in because believe it or not they are not good enough period.

It has nothing to do with having supernatural players ahead of them. We have an old midfield that has no pace and an aging defence and they are still better than what is available in the youth ranks. The truth hurts sometimes but get some objectivity if you are going to post stuff.

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CoalAin BTW chelsea has more young talent waiting to break through than we do and they are a team that is one or two players away from being incredibly good. we On the other need 4 or 5 changes new players. 2cm. Lb, lw,cb.

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01 Nov 2012 10:28:34
Well apart from piazon (whom they brought HAZARD on for) chelsea had their strongest team out today. United had a pretty much reserve team tonight and had a good go.

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We had rooney, RVP, carrick, scholes, kagawa, cleverley, rio, evans, vidic, evra, de gea, valencia and young all rested...

chelsea were missing terry, torres, ivannovic cole and lampard..

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Terry, Torres and ivanovic were not rested, they were suspended, and lampard is injured. That means cole was the only player really rested. Well done our reserve team.

GDS {Ed002's Note - Cole is injured.}

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Chelsea rested no players then lol...

GDS

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Never said rested GDS mate, said missing...

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Wasn't arguing no name, was adding to your point. They didn't rest anyone and we rested the full team. Not sure why Chelsea want to win the COC so much, maybe they think its the only trophy the have a chance of winning ;)

GDS

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01 Nov 2012 10:01:24
Fergie publically blaming Nani for giving away the ball that lead to their injury time peno....dont think there is any way back for him now (thankfully).

IrishRed

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I really want to stick up for him but it's very difficult. Great goal but little else. When he gave the ball away at the end I cringed as the ball was swept upfield. His manner suggests he is past saving, another very frustrating performance form a player who promised so much.

AJH

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01 Nov 2012 09:58:01
Ofcourse jred
I think drop youth system nd heavy purchase nd salaries on that level. Youth scouting also. From the heavy money we save from ther we can buy some international quality young guys whenever needed.
Anyways our youth system hasnt produce any great since beckham era gone.
I m loosing faith in youth system at manchester united. Hope i see some kid prove me wrong. But i dont see any1 even at pogbas level.
Rodio17

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Am so you haven't seen daehli or januajz?

Caolán.

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Remind me if overhyped youth make it to first 11..will you?
Rodio17

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01 Nov 2012 09:45:08
Well well well, who would have seen that coming, Utd conceding 5 goals, and against a Chelsea team with all their big guns too. You didn't wanna be in that cup anyway, you know big club only going for big Trophies, what is it now, 18 titles….bla bla bla. The one good thing was to see the obvious class of your youngsters you've been going on about so much, you know, Kean 19yrs, Wooten 21yrs, Tunniclift 20yrs and Powel 18yrs, they certainly lived up to your hype, safe to say the future's looking bright for you, as opposed to us, what is it now 6 years since we won a trophy but hey we've only got Frimpong 20yrs, Coquelin 21yrs, Gnabry 17yrs, Eisfeld 19yrs and of course young Jack at 20yrs, mind you I did forget Clevely and Welback for you and boy didn't he enhance his rep as a killer striker last night.
Also at least you didn't resort to league 2 tactics at the end and start trying to kick lumps out of the opposition as they ran rings around you. Like most of you said you can be so proud of that performance, knowing all the players you previously said are sh**e are now actually ok again and your two young central defenders will only get faster as they get older, I think that's how it works isn't it.
And like one of you said, why on earth would you compare Chelsea's 21 yr olds, Hazard and Oscar with your young players, well I guess because of the age and ability thing, but you guys hang on to the belief that their cost makes them naturally gifted and better.
Look on the bright side guys, Nani scored and I'm sure that SAF will take up the option at the end of his loan period to sign up Lee Mason on a permanent contract.
Looking forward to Saturday should be a good game and don't worry about that feeling you have right now it's just the truth hurting.
Anyways looking forward to your intellectual reposts, oh for most of you that's not how you pronounce it….if you know what I mean…..ha ha ha ha ha ha ha……Laters.

Stoner

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Stoner, didn't you get enough love as a child - and now come on here to seek the attention you craved as a youngster ?

Or maybe you're just a bitter gooner fan haunted by the fact that your trophy less club (well for the last 6yrs) will see another year drift by without any silverware.

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Pathetic - You are not even any good at trolling mate.

By the way - yes you have a few good youngsters - all of whom will undoubtably move on to big clubs - just like all the rest.

Mike

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Nice try muppet but the "kids" did brilliantly.

Oh and by the way its a record 19 times bla bla bla but counting your trophy haul wouldnt be high up on your list of things to do ha ha ha...Laters.

Devil Dust.

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Lol if a poor reading side went 4.0 up against your amazing youngsters imagine what that chelsea side last night would have done to you. did you actually watch our game last night?up until the 90th minute our young lads were fantastic,3.3 after 90mins was nothing to be ashamed of,i admit i cant see wooton making it at utd but ive always said that anyway,they all did themselves proud,the only player i thought let us down was nani. tell me stoner,is wenger going to treat your youngsters like he has with wilshere who hes brought in so young its nearly destroyed his career,only time will tell if he comes back the same player,as for the others,ive never heard of them,see you on saturday,i bet the feeling your having right now is the rubbish rubbing in your pants after imagining what RVP is going to do with your awful defence...laters.

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I love that you think you are the intelligent one yet you cannot spell Tunnicliffe, Powell, Wootton, Welbeck, Keane or Cleverley correctly.

Also every single season Wenger uses the League cup to blood his apparantly phenomenal youngsters yet how many in the last 10 years have actually come through to become 1st team Premiership players? Not many.

Enjoy Saturday when no doubt RVP will score a couple. For your sake I hope you don't concede 8 at Old Trafford again.

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01 Nov 2012 11:56:01
Get in the back of the net....love it, especially yours rjutd, that's what I mean about intellectual, now was it 18 or 19 titles and is it 6 years for us or 7, thought you'd at least spot those rj, never mind poppet, chin up. I love banter with you guys...get at least 3 bleeders every time.

Stoner

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Save it for Saturday Stoner....

may the best team win..

Oxred

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01 Nov 2012 12:43:14
Oxred, I did say looking forward to the game Saturday and genuinely am, it's going be tough as f**k but like to stay positive.

Stoner

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Stoner....


4 words......robin van persie hatrick!

how many do you think he will smash pat your awful defence not to mention the battering rooney will give them im going for 5-0 rvp hatrick!

Coombesy

P.S i wouldnt come on here on saturday if i was you.

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01 Nov 2012 09:36:44
In regards to yesterdays game against chelsea, i have to say that united with the fringe and young players playing played better than the first team of chelsea. If RDM says that it was some sort of justice for the match on sunday he is delusional. How can he be proud of chelsea first team against unted second team who lead for 90mins of the game. They were lucky in the end as our youngsters who havent been put in situations like this before cant be blamed. In regards to some of the established stars, Rafael and ando were playing really well. Ando has to be praised for both the first and second goals. On his other side of the game he needs to learn how to play for the full 90mins as he was so tired after the 65th min. Rafa has become imo one of the best right backs in the world and as his versatility showed yesterday he was pretty good at LB. most people will slate welbeck but imo he is one player with qualities we have missed. He may not score goals week in week out but like rooney he works hard. Just cos he is not a big name player we slate him but welbeck tracks back, goes forward looks for clear cut chances. And he is still young. He needs to bring in that side of the game...hernandez on his own upfront had a lot to do most of the time but when he had his opportunity to shine he did. As for the next player i am going to mention he had the worst game of all the players around. Nani may have scored yesterday night with a very sublime finish but he cost us the game in normal time by showboating. With a couple of seconds to go in the game he lost the ball which resulted in wooton (who doesnt have much experience playing in games like these) to make a rash challenge. Imo nani may have played his last game for united. I think until jan his replacement should be lingard from the reserves. Player is fast, has skill, can put in deliveries and score, albeit for the reserve but if he given the chance for the seniors he will take it. He can also play either wing and he could be the answer. As for our youngsters like keane, wooton, buttner, powell, tunners was a really good learning curve for all of them and i see with these players they can actually come really good for us. Add is the likes of smalling, jones pettruci, will keane, lingard, blacket, these are players that will show what fergie has been doing for the last ten odd years...building from the grassroots...the busby way

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01 Nov 2012 09:04:24
A great game and we should have posted another 2-3 away win, a clumsy challenge gave away the win albeit wooton did have a fine game alongside an impressive keane. Buttner looked dodgy at times, raphael immense, ando superb. The game highlighted nani's brilliance and inconsistent contribution to the teams effort. I took a lot of positives from the game, we can field 10 second stringers against one of the prems top teams and give them a proper game, as I said we should have beaten them! In summary: ando and chico really deserve to be playing against the arse, nani should be sold in Jan and we must re-invest in a wide player a dm and perhaps a cb.

A man united!

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01 Nov 2012 09:01:37
Well I think that we did brilliantly. Chelsea, at the end, basically had their best starting XI out - without Torres and Terry. David Luiz & Cahill certainly have more experience than Wooton and Keane (who did brilliantly). Ultimatley, Wooton and Keane didn't have sufficient experience and I think they were at times exposed for pace. But you really cannot fault them. Hernandez is looking brilliant, Fletcher looks solid and Anderson was excellent as he played further forward. Giggs even had a good game.

I am going to say that Nani had a good second half. He did rubbish things as always, but his goal was very very good. However, I fancy that he may have got an earbashing from the boss after the game. In SAF's interview he said that 'Nani decided to try to beat a man' when we were in control - he lost the ball, they went down the other end and won a penalty. So Nani's good points will have been overshadowed in the eyes of SAF I think - he hasn't done himself many favours.

Overall though, very pleased with how we did. Not at all bothered that we lost - a great experience for some and a good game for others to use for fitness.

Fresh!

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01 Nov 2012 08:51:10
What a game, I am so proud of the squad. Chelsea had to literally throw everything they had at us to win that game.
Not sure i agree with all I the comments about nani though, I thought he was sensational a times. But then with seconds to go, ball by the corner flag, he gets arrows away and try's to beat a player and we end up conceding a penalty.
Great performance by the team as we deserved to win the game, being a Chelsea fan must be strange this morning, are they generally pleased with their team/squad? I think not

PJ

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Well we're quite pleased as we're through to the quarter finals and you're not...

PR!

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01 Nov 2012 08:14:11
Thought the team played really well last night and should be very proud.
Very unfair to critisise to much the young lads, they are very inexperienced, they have to learn and playing good opposition and learning from mistakes is what they need.

Special praise for both Anderson and rafeal.
Anderson's only failing is his fitness. I can't believe for one minute that he can't be fit enough, surely with the training they do he has to be. I think it is match fitness which is totally different. If he starts to get a regular start hopefully that will come.

Rafeal was outstanding. Moses was there main threat, he looked really dangerous every time he got the ball until rafeal swapped sides. When he did he completed snuffed him out to the point where Moses had to swap wings to get away from him!

Karllap

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01 Nov 2012 07:57:58
Thought the team played well and were seconds from beating Chelsea's first team.
However if were going to carry on playing these crazy tactics, then Ferguson has got to get in a strong defensive midfielder. We can't carry on conceding goals like we are.
NoMidfield

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01 Nov 2012 07:15:04
C2 Game Chelsea

After the weekend Chelsea fiasco at Bridge I expected them to get off the blocks all cylinders firing but it turned out that our very inexperienced defense with the exception of Rafa, did a great job till Buttner went viral to give a soft penalty. We took the lead three times only to surrender it each time, first and the last being unnecessary penalties and a free header in between.

Even with the number of missed chances our defense did well against some real world class attacking players, looking at the teams on the field by the end of the match one could see how badly Di Mateo wanted this win but if not for the three silly mistakes, two penalties and a back header our team would have been in the next round with ease.

No regrets, our youngsters got the much needed run in and they will surely learn through their mistakes and improve, Keane was excellent on the ball as well as in the air and will surely get better with more games, Wootton, apart from his two mistakes that led to goals, was really good for his age and should improve with experience, I was wrong about Buttner initially, he needs improvement to be in the 1st team. Lindagard was good at times but surely not better than DDG, DF was good till he had juice in his feet after that he made a few errors and gave away the ball, Ando the pick of the players, energy, movement and tackles were all there, he would certainly be my MoM, good to see him play well. Nani except for that one moment of magic to score, he was utterly useless, tried too hard to go through crowded defense too often and ended up losing the ball, as a result on two occasions the ball ended up directly or indirectly in our net. Probably Fergie has already made up his mind about him.

Wellbeck was way off his best especially on the wing, he did not add much to the attack either but Chicha was a revelation, he sure has a good sense of movement and the finish too was class. Giggs was ok but not great. I think we missed a bit of experience at the back but no regrets as our kids got a good run in. Chelsea had more procession and missed more chances but comparatively our finishing was much better and if not for Nani's adventure of taking on three defenders at the death we would have won the match, with only seconds to go there was absolutely no need to rush at goal instead of holding on to the ball probably we were destined to lose the match we led most of the time. A lot can be learnt from this defeat especially by the youngsters. I am sure we will have much fresher players for another high voltage encounter on Saturday. All the best Red Devils, let's put this defeat behind us and go for the Gunners.

BTW it was funny to note Di Mateo complaining about the handball, the ball did touch the hand but it was deflected off the back side of the arm on the chest, which was not intentional were as he failed to mention about the handball that had struck David Luiz in the last match straight on the hand that was more than a feet away from his body. Some people do tend to suffer from amnesia of convenience - Fred

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Whilst Nani scored a lovely goal, he cost us the match - 2.5 mins into 3 mins of injury time he had a simple pass out to the right wing (not sure who to?) and we could have taken the ball into the corner to see out time. Instead he goes for some 'hollywood' dribble towards the goal and the rest is history! How frustrating!!
Doc Ock

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01 Nov 2012 07:00:12
The performance last night should show everybody why we don't play our young guns more. Simple fact is they aren't ready...undoubtedly some potential there from the likes of Keane and Tunners, and Powell is going to be a great player. But they just aren't ready for the big games quite yet. Pretty much everyone on here is saying how good a performance it was etc, and for the most part it was. I disagree with people who say it was Chelsea's strongest available team, it simply wasn't. By the end of the match is probably was...but that was where we lost it. The inexperience of our side came to the fore when just one or two of Chelsea's big names came on to the pitch. I believe we should of started one of RVP or Rooney, with a view to winning the game. Not just to advance in the competition, but to prove that we don't need a referee's bad decisions to beat the top team twice in a matter of days. It would of been a great boost for the club and would of really shut our critics up.

Andy!

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30 seconds away from an excellent victory
Doc Ock

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Nonsense. The team were immense. If Nani has used some common bloody sense we would be saluting a 3-2 win.

AJH

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01 Nov 2012 06:38:16
My thoughts on last nights game. LindegAard did well bt he looked abit shaky, the defence ws strong n the future is bright, greatly impressed by wootton n keane, buttner still has a lot to learn bt he is young, n wow rafael ws all over the pitch, a great performance by hm. Fletcher ws really good n hs comeback is ever so encouraging.. Anderson had a sensational game, he needs more games now.. Giggs lasted the pace n did well.. Wellbeck still needs quite abit of work bt hernandez has improved his overall game. Lastly Nani, he defended more than usual, got a good goal bt hs performance was average and SAF openly criticising hm shows the end is near for hm.. Powell n tunnicliffe had a good run out bt couldn't exactly influence the game.. Your thoughts? Wayne Ronaldo

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01 Nov 2012 04:33:27
Sudenly i m reading a lot of praises for ando.
Where were u guys when people like syd wanted him to be sold? I sticked that he is good in squad and on game when get time.
People can find that debate in search function.
In short what i always say is its not game of stating 11 only..
So we need to keep hold of the quality if we have alreay purchased it with big money
Rodio17

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Anderson was superb last night he just needs to get his stamina up

Pardoe

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01 Nov 2012 04:29:38
I didn't see the match, but was it basically Chelsea 5- Manu Reserves 4?

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Very very similar
U.T.I.D (Tommy)

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I don't like these posts saying we played with reserves and they played with first team players...

Every match is competitive.. that is all

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Ha, you sing about Giggs yet you class him as a reserve...What about Fletcher, Rafeal, Welbeck, Hernandez, Nani and Anderson, are they all reserves...My oh my...

PR!

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01 Nov 2012 02:58:05
Had a good laugh when i read this on the chelsea page!
"This coming from a fan of manchester united...champions of.....oh wait i forgot you didn't win anything last season. You're not worthy of talking to fans of the champions of europe, sorry"
The reason I laughed is Chelsea fluked their way to it, then when the tried to play football against athletico falcao destroyed them, then against us rvp destroyed them. Can't wait for around 5 years time when our youth have all reached their potential as on the evidence off tonight we will give them I right hammering.

Caolán.

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Fluke or not, they are the European Champions. Their youth also looks a bit tasty and whilst I admire your optimism, I hope it isn't misplaced.

AJH

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01 Nov 2012 02:25:00
That rainbow flick from anderson was absolute class.It signifies his performance yesterday
RD27

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Have been waiting for someone to post that... it was magical...

Trident!

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Our academy simply doesnt teach that. When is the last time a squillful player was brought up? Why cant we produce a player capable of something called dribbling past a player?

Apart from giggs ( who was brought and not really an academy graduate ), the only player that looked like he could ind his way in a crowded defence is Ravel Morrisson, and the only player in our reserves that can produce some real skill ( a la berbatov ) is Petrucci, and we got him from roma.

Mick

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Mick, Giggs joined at 14, how young do you want them?

AJH

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01 Nov 2012 02:17:06
pogba got MOTM again for juve, maybe we should try and buy him back.

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Please for the love of god forget him.

Caolán.

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Or maybe we should stop mentioning him considering he doesnt play for us anymore,sick of hearing his name.

phil

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Hardly got MOTM, more like he just scored a goal

RedKnight

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01 Nov 2012 01:33:20
I have seen quite a few posts saying that they thought Nick Powell looked like he was playing too deep and looked a bit dodgy.... Well I have to say I agree with it all and I am very worried that he may be ruined as Anderson has been and turned from a special talent attacking midfielder into a holding midfielder.

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01 Nov 2012 01:23:48
I didn't see the game tonight guys but from what I've heard we can be very proud of the lads can anyone just give me a general review of the game that would be great. What I don't like to see is people coming on here saying how bad certain young players were, now I didn't see how Wooten played but I heard he wasn't great, but give him a break he was up against the likes of Sturridge mata hazard ramieres.
Cheers.

Caolán.

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Wooton actually had a good game up until the penalty which knocked his confidence,i still think keane looks the better of the 2,chelsea had to send on all their supersubs to win the game which says a lot about how well the young lads did,he scored a good goal but overall nani was the only player to let the team down,i know wooton made mistakes but they were honest mistakes,every mistake nani made was because he was playing for himself and not the team,if his time wasnt up before i think it is now.

phil

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01 Nov 2012 01:00:44
That pass from Hazard was what you pay the big money for - absolute class.

StevieK

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It was in the 115 minute against a young inexperienced defense pushing for the equalizing goal, you make it sound like it was Messi against Madrid. What did he do on Sunday vs our regular defense and Rooney and RVP out there.

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Wise up would you.

It doesn't matter if it was against my wee lad's under 11 team, the vision was still superb. You either have that or you don't.

StevieK

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01 Nov 2012 00:34:58
The Chelsea fans are hilarious, they think tonight was a good win where as we will come away with far more than they will. They may well be in the next round but they cannot say they have given their youngsters a brilliant run out that will give them bags of confidence and experience. It's laughable. Very proud of our lads tonight and our support was tremendous, only heard the 30,000 Chelsea fans when they scored.

Anon {Ed 003's Note-There's an idiot on the pitch, now disappeared amongst #mufc fans in Shed before stewards can catch him. Firework also thrown just before ( A well known journo who was there) ..........tremendous stuff}

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Guessing you've never been to a football match 003

Anon

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The majority of our youngsters were playing a important NextGen game, so that's why they weren't available...

PR!

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01 Nov 2012 00:17:08
We have that missing midfielder and he is Anderson. Utter class tonight. Thought the team were great. Bit of inexperience at the back but otherwise great to watch. If vidic was there wed have won. And they played sucha strong side at the end they had their first team on. Hold the faith we look good

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Tell sydney this personally.. Desperatly pushing for his sale in last window. And at that time a very few like me have said he is the answer. Just needs games ahead of carrik.
Rodio17

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01 Nov 2012 00:23:51
chelsea looked a better team when the 21 year old oscar and hazard came on.
when judging our young players that should be the bench mark
jred

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Ofcourse they did, those are 2 of there best players, brilliant observation on your part. They paid a fortune for those 2 and for a reason, you think its fair to judge are young players with these 2? Wrong

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I think before some on here start raving about some of our players being worldclass they should rate them against the real deal
Jred

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01 Nov 2012 00:23:17
I don't ask for a win every week, all i ask for is to be able to be proud of my team in defeat. And i can be tonight.

We played a weakened side with two young lads at the heart of our defence and they played their hearts out against a team that are top of the league and are reigning champions of europe. And they looked equal to them at times. If we win the league this year it will be down to the strength of our squad as was shown tonight.

Hopefully the performances of Keane and Wootton should show that if we are to buy another CB then it's pointless signing someone young with potential as we have several already in Smalling and Jones and now we can add these two to the list. I just hope Wootton doesn't dewell on his lapses and focuses on how well he played in the most part.

Tunnicliffe showed he was up for the fight with the best players in the league, he just needs to learn when to dive in and when to hold his ground more. But this will come with game time.

Powell showed that in time he might come to be recognised as the best signing we made in the summer.

Rafael showed why he is probably the best full back in the league atm, and to think some people questioned his ability only a couple of months back.

Anderson was a breath of fresh air, driving runs and forward passing from midfield. If only he could up his fitness and steer clear of injuries.

Hernandez is starting to recapture his form again and is smiling again. The break in the summer has done him the world of good.

Now a couple of negatives,

Welbeck has struggled this season for some reason. I thought he was excellent last year and really showed improvement, this season sadly it looks like he's slid backwards abit. But he is still young and is learning.

Buttner is a good player but he needs to be part of a settled defence, you can't ask someone to come in to a make shift defence then moan when they don't set the world alight. It will take time but i'm confident he'll be a good player for us.

Now my big gripe of the match.........Nani. He played like a spoiled brat at times tonight. He tried to take on the whole Chelsea team single handed and twice gave the ball away though his poor decision making which lead to Chelsea breaking and getting goals against us.
I'm sorry but I'm past breaking point with Nani now, i had a soft spot for him as we share the same birthday, but that means i know that in a couple of weeks we'll both be 26. He should be in his prime but he is still awful and brilliant in the same match.

We have to accept that Nani will not get any better than what he is now, and even though he is brilliant at times he is always a liability waiting to happen.

I think our strongest team atm would look like this:

____________DDG
Rafael__Smalling__Vidic__Evra
__Cleverley_Carrick_Anderson
___________Rooney
______Hernandez_RVP

Obviously once Smalling and Vidic are fit.

Shappy

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01 Nov 2012 00:06:32
i think the team to put out on saturday should be

---------------de gea--------
--rafael---smalling---rio---evra----

-------------carrick------------

-------clevs---------ando------

-------------rooney------------

--------rvp=--------chich------

this team has lots of energy and a bit of steel in it with ando playing, i think arsenal are a very average team and it could be another thrashing for the arse at old trafford im going with 3-1 rooney with 1 rvp with 1 and smalling with 1.

coombesy

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31 Oct 2012 23:54:07
i thought fletcher was good tonite gave anderson freedom to attack .

marlow

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