Manchester United Banter Archive September 01 2011

01 Sep 2011 23:24:27
Dear mr Ralph you trying to tickle ngiak aren't you? how many times has ngiak been to OT you mean? and what value does that add to your argument dear sir? does spending money to watch a winning team mean you are not a glory hunter? what if they drew with west brom etc and are 12th in the league? will you do the same? or will all these people here criticizing the club now do the same? we are playing breathtaking football built from a good foundation of players and youth yet people here are begging to spoil it with mercenaries and are putting our players down what more do these people want!

Gan
It matters weather u have been to ot because if I spend 000s a year to go c my team I dont deserve to be called a glory hunter because I expect some of that money to be spent on top class players.i dont want mercenaries I want a cm who would improve the team I love. And I dont think someone who im guessin doesnt contribute to the united coffers at all can get on his high horse about glory supporters. Btw I have been supporting utd since before the glory years.they are my local team .can u say the same I very much doubt it. Ps i.am not starting the argument about where u being from affects what team u support just pointing out im not a glory hunter. Ralph

01 Sep 2011 22:51:14
I don't think it would have been so good signing sneijder I think we should have signed somebody a lot cheaper like danny from zenit st.petersburg or should have got Vidal before he went to juventus

01 Sep 2011 22:16:24
Gan-have u ever been to ot.ur argument when people ask for signings is usually calling them glory supporters as utd bring there youth through. I dont think people like.me who pay 000's of pounds a year followin my team can b called glory supporters"""
dear mr Ralph
you trying to tickle ngiak aren't you?
how many times has ngiak been to OT you mean?
and what value does that add to your argument dear sir?
does spending money to watch a winning team mean you are not a glory hunter?
what if they drew with west brom etc and are 12th in the league? will you do the same?
or will all these people here criticizing the club now do the same?
we are playing breathtaking football built from a good foundation of players and youth
yet people here are begging to spoil it with mercenaries
and are putting our players down
what more do these people want!
gan

01 Sep 2011 21:44:54
Why don't you just shut up tonight Gan and look what your beloved Glazers have done. Have you no shame? How dare you of all people criticise our supporters. RAINFISHTROMBONE"""
dear mr rainfishtrombone
you tell gan to shut up and call him names
yet you say ngiak can't criticize others
you constantly quote the sir Matt busby way
yet you constantly bitch for big money buys
do you really know what you are talking about?
you and your snotty, rude, embarassing and clueless bunch of supporters?
do you really know how sir Matt rebuilt this history?
with millions and a hoard of mercenaries?
or a bunch of kids with their heart in their feet?
gan

01 Sep 2011 20:57:45
If anyone watched SSN last night, did anyone find the Arsenal developments a bit uncomfortable?

I respect Arsenal as a challenger because they are not a sugar daddy club, and imo they have earned their previous success not bought it.

I found it a little uncomfortable because I was thinking how an experienced manager like Wenger got himself into this last minute buying frenzy mess.
I mean, we are used to Arry and Levy doing their last minute Arthur Daly deals, but Arsenal?

Watching their desperate fans gathering around the SSN presenter last night, cheering the propect of a reject sloppy seconds loan deal from a London rival in Benayoun, the signing of a poor man's Fabregas in Arteta, an immobile plank of a defender in Mertasaker, and a Brazillian left back from a Turkish club was, I thought, a bit sad.

It's what can happen if you are picked off by stronger rivals.....

Glazers, be warned, we will always keep the pressure on at United.

Mysterious stranger

01 Sep 2011 20:18:22
Glad we don't see sneijder in our kit to be fairly honest with you guys. Do not get me wrong, i like him as a player and he could bring certain aspects to the team but with rooney who comes deeper and playmakes for the team we would not have space for him. I dont believe we will go into january intentionally looking to add players but if somebody chases a player we are interested in i think we could be forced into a signing. But i don't think our aim is to win the champions league, well it will be but not as big a priority as the league title #20.

We have a good squad, but i think we may look at a LB and an attacking midfielder. I dont think we need an attackin midfielder more than a defensive, that was our only fault against arsenal, keeping possession. And what i believe we have lacked since roy keane.

So just gonna throw some names out at a guess of interest next summer:

De Rossi
Javi Martinez
Rodwell
Goetze
Ganso
Marcelo

And marcelo is the only LB as far as I AM aware of that we may have had interest in.

I think we will sign Goetze. We'll see.
I am confident we will win the league and either the FA cup or league cup. Maybe final of Champions league and lose again to barcelona either way, look at their squad their gonna be hard for years to come, which is why fergie is looking to do the same.

My last post till January. Enjoy the season.

IN SAF WE TRUST

GDHREDDEVILTILIDIE {Ed007's Note - Your last post until January? Part timer!! I was going to delete this just to pee you off ;-)

01 Sep 2011 20:17:46
*Press Release from the Desk of Sydney Gill*

Fellow supporters,

I know many of you are unhappy with the absence of a certain promised world class central midfielder, I know that many of you are wondering about the current state of your club, and that is why I Sydney Gill, have been commissioned, I mean decided to set a few things straight.

Firstly, United considered purchasing a plethora of midfield players, however, these players were either not good enough, unavailable or out at the shops when we rang. And my sources can assure you that we did ring.

Secondly, the reason that United pulled the plug on the Sneijder has nothing to do with money or our glorious leaders, I mean the Glazers. The simple fact is that Ferguson didn't want the deal. Most people believe that football managers want world class players, this is simply not true. In fact despite the Glazers begging Ferguson to buy a number of expensive world class talents, he said that he would be forced to quit if they didn't stop pestering him.

Thirdly, there was never any Ronaldo money. The Ronaldo who is currently playing for Real Madrid is not the same person who played for United. This is simply a myth that the press have fabricated. The truth is that the Ronaldo who played for United quit to run a chippy on the Stockport road.

Finally, to all those misguided people who heard that I would disown the Glazers if we failed to sign a world class cm. Well firstly we did, we signed Cleverly back from Wigan, and secondly the Sydney who made those claims is not the same Sydney as me. In fact he left the board to run a chippy on the Rochdale road.

Just wait until next season when we have Bebe "3 year project" back and fighting fit. Barca will be quaking in their boots.

Yours sincerely,
Sydney Gill
____________________________________________

Danny Pughnited

01 Sep 2011 19:47:21
Hey all you reds, Scottish football has suffered a loss of face recently, but in one field we still lead the way, In the EPL currently are SIX Scottish managers. Ferguson, Dalglish, Coyle, McLeish, Lambert and Kean and just like the famous Glasgow Celtic Lisbon Lions, all born in or near Glasgow. Hail hail Timalloy

01 Sep 2011 18:19:42
I cant understand why man utd have not bought big all summer. to me they need a top class striker and midfielder they are arguably the biggest club in the world and who have they bought? young, ok he looks a good addition. jones looks quality and will surely be a world class defender. de gea still looks iffy to me. i personally dont blame the glazers, david gill has said many times that the ronaldo money was there to use. personally its got to be down to fergie ok he's putting his trust in the youngsters like cleverley who has had a good start to the season but what about in the real big games when you need that killer pass or ball to open a quality defence up i'm not sure that we have that. i think that we will challenge for the title no question but i dont think barcelona or madrid will be more worried about man utd this year than last. barcelona have added fabregas and sanchez 2 world class players. so for me we should be wanting to challenge barca this term but tink they have got even better than us in terms of purchases made. look at nasri, gotze or schnieder surely they would of improved our team for the champions league? think we should of snapped up these players before man city or another club pinches them players like ganso, neymar and lucas look top quality why not snap them up before real, barca or city get them. like i say i still think we will challenge for the league but the champions league is a no no for me and as far as i am concerned in fergie i dont trust.

01 Sep 2011 18:04:12
So David Gill's busier than usual summer consisted of allowing the biggest club in the world (that's Manchester United by the way), to miss out on Varane, Sanchez, Nasri and Sneijder.

Plus a nice reduction in our salary budget for Uncle Malcolm.

Poor Mr Gill must be cream crackered...I think all United supporters should have a whip round and send the lad on holiday so he can recover.

It must be tiring to make factuous comments as he did last year that the club is comfortable with its debt, and that it doesn't affect our ability to COMPETE for the world's best players.

Then a few months later the owner state that they have to sell a portion of the club to COMPETE in the transfer market. Somewhat of a contradiction.

However, the word COMPETE is the key.

Its like me saying I can COMPETE with Usain Bolt in the 100 meters...I could get to the starting line, but I have no chance of beating the opposition.

The proof is in the pudding, Mr Gill, so did you SECURE one of the world's best players for the loyal 76,000 supporters that fill Old Trafford every home game, the thousands of lads and lassies who spend good money to support the team away from home in the EPL and Europe, the millions in the UK who kick every ball paying their TV subscriptions, the worldwide MUTV subscribers and on behalf of all of the 330million worldwide supporters who buy merchandise, including a new home and away kit now produced every year (thought we hadn't noticed that) that makes us the best supported sports club in the world enabelling a record financial turnover?

Answer...NO...Bonus for Mr Gill

Most of us know we are short in midfield, some are even swallowing that young Tom Cleverley is the second coming.

Barca is the example. Did they suppliment their already brilliant team with established world class players..yes.

So with City, Chelsea and Liverpool significantly strengthening their squads, where does this leave our club's ambition, as Wayne so eloquently put this question to the club last year?

01 Sep 2011 17:44:28
Here are my thoughts on how the transfer has ended and how we will do in this season:
I believe we should all get behind cleverly and ando right now and have faith in them. I know if we face barca or real in the CL they might be overpowered but we are not going to stop supporting them.
Yes Sneijder would've added expreince and intelligence in our attacking mid but ando and cleverly showed this against city and arsenal.
If we look at our lines and evaluate each one seperately we will find out that we are a strong squad. Offcourse its not as strong as barca but who is stronger than them.
Our central defenders are the best in the world even barca dont pass us in that department. Our right back is solid and have the attacking participation.
Our left back is our weakest link and if you noticed one thin in both CL finals against barca the five goals were assisted from our left flank. If we need to strengthen this january this area should be the first one. Or promote younger players to fill the weakness.
Our mid (the most area everyone thinks we should strengthen) left wing is been covered by young . He is no giggs or ronaldo but he has a great delivery into the box and scores goals. With our training coaches and offcourse SAf to train him he will definitly get stronger and stronger and develop into a world class left winger. Our dm is excellent if we don't play carrick in that position. Ando and cleverly are great also Johns is greater so no worries. As for the am Also cleverly and ando are great and they are linking fantasically with our strikers. Rooney also can feature in this position and no one can top him in that as we all have seen.
The right wing is our stable position with nani and valncia both with great delivery and attacking skills.
Dont forget Fletcher the missed soldier in the two confrontations with barca. Had he played those two games the result would have changed ad he is definitly better than busquets and carrick. We could have won the FA cup if he was on the field instead of carrick.
Our attack: rooney, chica, wellback. The three are terrefic no doubt in them at all . Macheda is ok .
Our goal keepers: whatever you have seen so far from de gea is not his best. If you have followed the europa league and la liga you would never doubt this guy at all. He is the perfect fit. All our keepers incliding VDS had the same mistakes or even bigger than that of De Gea but no one mentioned it at all. Give the guy a break and be patient he is one of the best in the world
If we find out that our midfield is not up to the task come this jan then we should strengthen but definitly we should cover our weakest link in the left back.
Man Utd 4 Ever

01 Sep 2011 17:28:21
i have a early rumour for next summer? this is gospel............... WE HAVE MONEY BUT THERES NO VALUE?? therefore saf is happy with his squad!!! THE GUVNOR

01 Sep 2011 17:05:19
Bond, have a look at this: betting.betfair.com/football/premiership/the-201112-manchester-united-lookalike-xi-010911.html

G.A.G.U.S {Ed007's Note - That is brilliant GAGUS mate lol.}

01 Sep 2011 16:49:35
"You are right about our achievements in the Pl. My argument is that we should not just be giving it our 'best shot' in europe, we should be buying the best players now to win it. Saf said himself we needed to strengthen the midfield, why didn't he do it.

J Bones."

I would call Semi Final, Win, Final, Quarters with harsh exit, Final as much much more than just giving our best shot. We have been the best team in Europe after Barcelona, who are probably the greatest team ever. SAF did not strengthen the midfield because he did not feel the money involved with "that player" was not worth it.

I would put my neck on the line and say Cleverley and Anderson will have a much better season this year than "that man".

REDFAITH

P.S. Gutted about Nasri though (although he certainly isn't worth the 185k a week) , and even Hargreaves if he gets back to what he was in 2008.

01 Sep 2011 15:29:29
giggs and scholes ere not bought. Great clubs like manchester utd don't buy great but make great player

01 Sep 2011 13:54:53
Where's The Seagull today with his "here's what we could have had" list? Lol
MB

01 Sep 2011 13:44:44
can we move on from sneijder now, he didnt join and he wont join. time to let go and move on!!

Del Boy

01 Sep 2011 13:38:34
transfer window was a big let down for me we needed at least 2 central midfielders didn't sign one, only young, jones in shouldn't have been surprised really we haven't signed any good players since 2007 or before, glazers any coincidence. anyway the only saving grace is that arsenal, chelsea, spurs didn't sign anyone of note.

Things could be worse could support, liverpool.

01 Sep 2011 13:35:50
What to expect January market? Nothing really. Maybe some players sold. I can see Berba actually getting an extension because I just don't see SAF letting him go. And for the midfielder part, maybe SAF will start searching another midfielder but signing one would be very high expectations.

01 Sep 2011 12:36:19
What does our inability to land a proven World Class CAM and CDM show ?
It is obvious we have no intention of competing with Barcelona if it requires significant expenditure.
They invested in Sanchez and Fabregas to further strengthen the already world beating triumvirate XAVI,INIESTA,MESSI in the middle.
We have seen Ronaldo go and Scholes go and have failed to re-invest in players but have reduced the Glazers debt.
It shows that business and $$$ dictates everything under the Glazers and that SAF is part of the $$$ machine - no doubt with his own incentives built in regarding the upcoming share issue in Singapore.
Are shares more attractive (valuable) if the company posts a profit of £30m or are they more valuable if, like this week, they announce a profit of £110m.
The wage bill has been massively reduced also.
Neville,Scholes,VDS,Brown,O`Shea,Obertan,Bebe all have been taken off the wage bill and that has to add up to a very significant amount of money which could easily have met the wage demands of TWO Sneijders ! If we were actually serious about taking on Barcelona then that would have taken priority over the IPO on the Singapore Stock Exchange.
If Football is the most important thing you invest in players.
If selling shares to pay down your debt is more important then you reduce your wage bill and keep your money in your Balance sheet.
You may well attract investors but will lose ambition and credibility.
SAF and David Gill have to explain why the fans have been duped yet again (at the same time the Season Ticket sales/uptake were sluggish) - We were all but promised a "Marquee" signing "It is going to be a VERY busy transfer window" Gill - It is now obvious we have been used as cash monkeys for the cynical men who now see business before Glory at our beloved club.
Dont bother buying CL tockets this year because Fergie isnt serious about winning it - That much is clear now.
He will retire with plenty of money to indulge in the Sport of Kings. Class 1 Horse racing is not for rich men but VERY rich men and I guess the priorities on the field have been eclipsed by ambitions on the racecourse.

01 Sep 2011 12:03:11
Sorry the questions for sydney n gan were from me

Ralph

01 Sep 2011 11:57:38
Ah well....at least we got Ed 007 on loan fron Celtic :)
MB {Ed007's Note - Hardly Brian McClair proportions though :-)

01 Sep 2011 11:46:34
i am slightly dissapointed with the lack of signings this summer i believe saf has tried and failed in his pursuit of his summer targets,ie sanchez and nasri.the man knows what he is doing,he has built many a great teams,i believe this next one will be his greatest,but he wont rush,he will build with patience,without disrupting the players and wont be dictated to by no man,come next summer i think carrick and berbatov will be gone,replaced with younger players and he will make his move for someone if he has identified them and they are availiable,saf is a legend,we will always be the ruling team in england while saf is in charge,so come on everyone forget this summer we don't build like city or chelsea,rip them all apart boys and smash everyone to the title,joeyored

01 Sep 2011 11:35:51
So we didnt sign anyone and at least now we know the people on this site who talk bul*s*it and have absolutely no football contacts whatsoever, fair enough deals can fall through, but 1 or 2 people here have been talking ''in the know'' the past 3 months and just kept saying ''we will sign...'' but it never happened, We know who to believe now and RAINFISHTROMBONE was right all along, no signings, gutted.

Red58

01 Sep 2011 10:01:35
Fancy David Gill lying to us again saying we'd sign a marquee signing this window!I'm thinking this £100 million has been used on other things than the transfer pot now!

01 Sep 2011 09:14:56
So what do we do now then for the next 4 months?

01 Sep 2011 08:24:35
Gutted but lets see why SAF has not made a signing.

We beat Barca.
We beat Man City
We destroyed Arsenal.
Unbeaten all pre season.
Id say this says it all, if we need to buy in jan it will be from south America.
Gill and Fergie did say no more signings...the RIGHT player is not available.
Inter have said sneijder was not for sale, Its obvious that he wanted a move but not to rock the boat he sat and waited till last minute but nothing came, he then posted a thankyou. To United fans.

I believe Rooney might end up CAM at times this season due to Welbeck and Lil Pea needing games too.

Simon.

01 Sep 2011 06:36:46
Well were are all the posters who said don't worry ws 100% signing a lot of people have lost credibility on here ie united forever amonst others complete jokes

01 Sep 2011 03:49:47
Rainfish,
that is one of the best posts. turns out you were right. the yonks have shown that trophies matter little compared to profits. Gill has once again proven he is a bulls**tter. disappointment is an understatement.
-RomanRunner

its a typically terrible post from the boner

How is he right? He speculates. ass you me

I havent seen gan or sydney all out defend the glazers anyway. havent seen anyone all out defend. doesnt mean we are not scrutnizing just more considered

If you look at all the targets and the current squad you can come up with perfectly plausable resons why no more additions were made. he could be right but as equally he could be wrong. To me they look like run of the mill business men. not entirely agreeable but I havent met a money chaser that is. but to say they dont care about trophies is first class stupid. trophies equals success equals money equals strength in the sellers market when the time comes.

I will harp on about anderson and cleverly. rainfish you just dont know how to enjoy it or support the players who wear the shirt. it wasnt three games it was nine or ten including preseason in which young cleverly anderson and welbeck and the return to form of rooney has been continuelly impressive. every game won so far. with a much better attacking verve than last season.

whats important is what happens on the pitch. that is the root of the club. not business men that will be gone tomorrow. your a fool if you think alex and charlton and every great persona involved in the club would let them abuse the club to an extent that we fall. you care for the history of the club but you insult all the greats still attached.

the galaticos bought will be remembered not as the greatest team ever but barce a team that developed will be.

could it be the original plan was get a mid. then pre season happened and made them think hang on plan b might be worth pursuing or at least if our main targets dont work out.development. the club cant be held to ransom sets dangerous precedent for future business. there are other clubs with rich history they may choose instead and the level we have reached in quality in terms of continuel challenges means the pool of players is even smaller to choose from. then what is there lifesyle? do they want to play for the club? and in my opinion we needed a player that could hit the ground running and they are few.

so it doesnt turn out conclusively your right but admittadely its given more fuel to your cynisism. sorry but you get on my goat. ones things for sure that cant be confused with speculative cynasism. the midfield can prove you are wrong.

my own opinion is that it will be long term useful to give more game time and more responsibility to anderson and cleverly before adding another to the mix. opinion and not dressed up any other way constantine red

01 Sep 2011 01:16:31
I'm getting sick and tired barca this barca that we won't be barca they're too good Jesus wake up everyone noes were not food enough for Europe anymore let barca city real who ever have there time we will be back we always make a way back to being the best on the planet we are the best on the planet f*** sneijder we've got clevers and ando promising starts and of all goes pear shaped well buy in jan once again shut up about barca and messi whatever they'll have there time and well have ours well have the last laugh so get excited about no.20 and enjoy laughing at city when we beat then laughing at Liverpool too and arsenal when we beat them 8-0 at the emirates BELIEVE is that not our moto nuff said!
MaccaTheRed!

01 Sep 2011 00:46:17
In the past five years players in and out, our nett spend in 57m, just 11.5m per season! We've been outspent by Spurs, Villa, Sunderland, pool, Chelski and of course Citeh with a massive 88m per season nett spend!

Big signings excite the fans, create sponsorship and boost merchandise. Our great clubs is crying out for a big name and our lack of activity will catch us up in world of marketing in time with all the others making the headlines!

There better be some good news in January!

01 Sep 2011 00:18:28
Well I'm disappointed. This idea put forward by Gill earlier in the summer, that only a world class midfielder would improve upon what we have already have is a myth. It's simply not true. I'd agree with G.A.G.U.S, any one of Vidal, Defour, Witsel or Sahin would have improved the squad and added some much needed competition for places in the midfield. You could add Kagawa to that list. Are these players not an improvement on Gibson? Surely they would offer something to the team? Before anyone pulls me up on it, I'm a big fan of Anderson and Cleverley, but there's simply no way they can keep up these energy levels throughout the season. That's not even counting injuries. The midfield is thin. I just don't want to have to see a 38 year old expected to win games in the middle of the park this season, but with a few injuries here and there, it could easily happen.

But I will always back Sir Alex 100% and whoever he puts in his team. Hopefully the right call has been made this summer. I guess we'll have our answer in May. It's just a little strange that another summer goes by without THAT midfield signing, the one that everyone on here has been going on about for well over a year now.

Matthew...

01 Sep 2011 00:10:34
For all those people who have had a bad day and are gutted about the transfer window....Dont turn on ITV2. Batman and Robin is on...it may tip you over the edge.

TK-Red

01 Sep 2011 00:02:04
The one thing that people are forgetting is that Fergie and Gill have acknowledged our team is not good enough. They have admitted they have tried to sign a player, but they have failed to do so.
If Sneijder was too expensive, where was the plan B?
Its not about "in Fergie we trust" its about why we can't attract the top players. Wouldn't Mata, Nasri, Silva to name but 3 have improved our midfield?

Alarm bells should have been ringing when Fergie encouraged Gary Nev to carry on beyond his capability, and then he admitted he tried to get Paul Scholes to sign for a further year, when Paul knew he wasn't up to it.

Fergie is likely to retire in 2 years, so you short-term glory hunters better start thinking of another club to follow therefter, because if the current owner leeches are around once the great man has gone, we will be picked off like Arsenal been this time round.

It is a disgrace that the so called biggest club in the world wouldn't stump up for Sneijder, and deep down, although some of you are in denial, you all wanted that "BREAKING NEWS..SNEIJDER SIGNS FOR UNITED" banner on SSN today.

I think our loyal millions of fans around the world deserved that.

Glazers, I sh*t them.