Manchester United Banter Archive July 20 2012

20 Jul 2012 23:32:07
Enjoyed watching Brazil tonight. Neymar was good as were many others but Oscar really impressed I thought. I liked the look of Moura when he came on - he'd do our counter attacks the world of good!

Looking forward to watching Brazil in 2014. Am starting to hope we can get Moura too (thought it was specualtion at first)

Gav

20 Jul 2012 22:03:05
Powell isn't going straight to the first team so we will sign one last 1st team player- a left back, baines or someone cheaper. Then maybe Moura.

Powell went straight into training with the first team, and although I doubt that won't play any games with the reserves - I would've thought from Ferguson's reaction to the transfer that he will command a place on the bench and get some minutes this year.

Plus - how this would have any bearing on whether or not we would sign a left back I don't know.

Joe

20 Jul 2012 21:44:19
Has anybody claimed the no7 shirt. If not, then Lucas will be wearing it....

Desigan moodley
South africa

Valencia got it a couple of weeks back


dwright

Valencia has petal...

Joe

20 Jul 2012 21:39:49
I've seen enough of Moura to say break the piggy bank Fergie!!
Mitch.

20 Jul 2012 21:03:05
Watching team GB and only Rafael is having anything like a good game

Joe Allen having a better game tha Cleverly and Giggs - come on SAF get us a couple of midfield players!

That Stuart Pearce has no effing idea mind.

Pedro

Cleverley is still trying to get match fit. He did miss most of last season. Rafael ate Sinclair alive.

Sydney!

I thought Cleverly did very well considering it was his first 90 mins in about 9 months.

20 Jul 2012 20:36:27
Is anyone else getting annoyed at the number of bad tackles Cleverley is taking on his ankles? Thats 3 or 4 times now they've gone in late on him.

Shappy

I know, it's like his ankles are magnetic. He is so unlucky.

Sydney!

It was a bad tackle by sandro at one point but I would like to see him here

20 Jul 2012 20:37:06
Brazil are playing well but would of loved to see our full strength team with the likes of smalling, jones, Wiltshire , welbeck, bale. Shame the olympics were just after the euros.
Plus point Allen looks very good.

REDP

Allen looked pretty good in the first 20 minutes, since then he has been chasing shadows. Since the 70th minute he has been looking very tired too.

Sydney!

Ramsey looked ok when he came on

20 Jul 2012 20:27:37
I hope by Sir Alex confirming we bid for Rvp isn't just a way of saying ''well we tried'' like what happened for the past few seasons with Nasri, Ozil, Benzema, Sanchez, Hazard and now maybe Modric.

I hate using this site during the transfer windows mainly due to posts like this.

We did enquire/bid for all those players above (although i cant recall a modric bid being confirmed) however:

Ozil, Benzema and Sanchez made it clear their preference was to play in Spain.

Nasri wanted the biggest pay check he could muster and so went to city for something like 50k extra a week.

Hazard had the choice of us, city and chelsea who all had fees and terms agreed (cofirmed by Hazards agent not us) if chelsea hadnt won the cl i believe he would have been a united player.

If we wanted to play the whole 'well we tried' card surely we would have made an anoucement of the RVP bid before Arsenal denied it.

To all of you wonderful editors thank you so very much for putting the time in to keep this wonderful site going in spite of the overwhelmingly large number of negative, repetitive, and gullible 'fans' who frequent this site daily.

To you sirs and ladies i doff my cap.

Paso {Ed007's Note - Thanks Paso.}

20 Jul 2012 20:11:38
i think man. united should try and get joe allen from swansea, plays very simular to paul scholes and would only cost around 15 million would be a good signing.

20 Jul 2012 19:26:53
Anyone else fancying Moura to get a goal or two tonight and Sao Paulo to Demand the 50million?

Cban

No they dont want 50 million they say Neymar is worth 50 and he is just behind Neymar!!
Caolán.

I don't think Neymar is worth £50m, £35m would be a fair amount for him. Moura should be £25m. Oscar £25m. Ganso £25m.

Sydney!

Oscar looked good tonight but so did Moura when he came on. Theyr'e guna have one hell of a squad in 2014

Gav

Syd no player is worth 25 million. But football has come so expensive that even andy Carroll cost 35! When if he was playing 20 years ago it would have been 35,00!

Caolán.

I've seen quite a bit of Neymar and his going to be a very special player if pastore and hazard are going for 30/35 mill Neymar is worth 50 mill
This also shows how mental the transfer market is
Jred

20 Jul 2012 18:41:10
Thiago Silva has backed Lucas Moura to become the next Cristiano Ronaldo if he completes his move to Manchester United.

Sir Alex Ferguson has reportedly seen a £30m bid rejected for the 19-year-old, with Sao Paulo seemingly wanting £50m to allow their star asset to leave.

And Brazil captain Silva says that the forward has every chance of emulating Ronaldo if he does move to Old Trafford.

"I see many possibilities for Lucas to play in English football," said the Paris Saint Germain centre-back.

"Despite being a short guy he is really strong and powerful. It is really difficult to stop him.

"In Manchester particularly, they play with two wingers - it used to be Cristiano Ronaldo and now it's Nani. He has the same qualities as these players.

sorry for copy and paste

It would be GREAT if as Brazil Captain he tells Lucas this, and advises him that coming to us would turn him into a world star

oxred

20 Jul 2012 18:35:11
any league pin for the sun fantasy?

may the best team win ;)

TRUMORS

I'm trying to sort it, but it's not working for me for some reason :/ Anyone know why?

G.A.G.U.S

Are you using the same email, but with a different password from the Euros Dreamteam? It may not allow you to use your email with a different password.

Sydney!

So what is the mini league for the sun one?

is there one? Thanks boys

Cban

20 Jul 2012 17:09:03
Hi guy's arsenal fan I was just wondering how you see your team lining up this season thanks
1732

___________DDG
Rafael__Small___Vidic__Baines
______?.?.?.?___Clever
TonyV_____Kagawa_____?.?.?
__________Rooney

I would guess at Baines for LB, but uncertain about the rest. Not sure we will get your RVP, but if we did it would be tough to see where he would play and how the team would line-up.

Sydney!

De Gea

Rafael Smalling Vidic Baines
Carrick

Kagawa
ToniV Lucas

RVP Rooney

Welsh Red

With what we have now:

DDG
Rafael - Rio - Vidic - Evra
Carrick - Clev
Tony - Kagawa - Young/Nani
Roo

B

I think the one problem with your line up Syd is you seem to think that Cleverly has a right of passage to play. He has potential, but Carrick I suspect once again will be the main main in midfield, regardless of who we sign. But I agree that one central midfield spot and the left hand side of midfield are probably the areas that are most up for grabs.

RedDevil19

I like B's team, except I'd rotate Scholes with Cleverley.

#ags

De Gea
Smalling Jones Vidic Evra

Carrick

Valencia Kagawa/Moura Nani/Young

Rooney
Welbeck


RamoN 19

RD19, I think if Cleverley stays fit he will be first choice next to either Carrick/Witsel, Cleverley will rotate with Scholes. Against City we may play Carrick and Witsel (example) together, but against weaker opposition it will be Witsel/Carrick alongside Scholes/Cleverley.

Cleverley needs games to get back to where he was, remember he was out for longer than Valencia was when he broke his ankle. Cleverley will be a first teamer once he gets going.

Sydney!

I agree with RD19 I think Carrick will be first choice ahead of Cleverly but it will depend on who we sign in CM, if anyone at all

Gav

20 Jul 2012 17:23:13
Just looked at Lucas Moura on YouTube and he does look very good with the ball at his feet but much like Ronaldo was at his age he doesn't release the ball as quick as he should, if we get him I'm sure SAF can do a great job with him just like Ronaldo. Let's see how he performs tonight. I think we should hold out for a bid of 41 million (£31.9 million approx) would be a great addition to the team IMO we may well see the team with a bit of a spark to it again just like we did when Ronaldo was here. Any opinions Ed's ?
Members of public ?

I agree he is world class when dribbling and taking on players but that is it he is very selfish and doesnt get his head up enough or quick enough to see other options....imo he could be one of the greatest to ever live if used correctly and fit for his whole career.

20 Jul 2012 17:07:50
Hello guys I'm back.

First off TK I'm in the league as Yoghurt Slingers FC ;-)

Really struggled with my team as I wanted 10 utd players and Cabaye haha stupid max players rule!

On the performance the other night.

I have watched a re run now and Berba had a few good touches, Jesse / Petrucci / Tunners played well, Blackett was ok and Brady played like a LW in LB ha. Did a job but clearly not a natural. Hopefully he is used as sparingly as Toni is at RB. Was disappointed Kags only got 3-4 mins but even in that time he played a cracking through ball to Berbs had he stayed onside. Lindergard looked good overall but his passing to the FBs was a bit wayward. 1st game though so not to bad overall.

On to the negatives.

I know it's first game etc, etc but if we were trying to switch formation and use the high pressuring game I hope more first team regulars can implement it. There was maybe 1 player pressing and that allowed them to move it out from the back rather easily IMO. Here's hoping tomorrows game can show more enthusiastic pressing and far better link up play.

On to the link up play.

Jesus Christ. What must Ando do on the training park that gets him in our team? We can argue all day it's the first pre season game and whatever other excuse is needed but did Scholes look bad? Carrick? The youngsters? Ando was crap. Must have tried around 8-10 passes that were easily cut out or put the guy tryin to get there under pressure straight away. His highlight was the pass out wide for Blackett into acres of space but when he passed it Blackett had to rival Mr Bolt just to reach it! IMO he it totally useless. I'll no doubt get pelters from his fans but I would rather have the actual Mr T in CM instead of him! Really disappointed in him and hope he is moved on. Ando rant over haha.

Scholes looked good with his nice dinks and accurate passing and carrick showed he can pass accurately (no doubt due to the level of the opposition). One thing I picked up on allot was the positioning when we were building from the back. Anyone else notice Scholes always further back than Carrick? You would think that would be the other way around. I'm not looking into it much yet I'll see if that happens again tomorrow before trying to figure out the managers plans.

On to the GB - Brazil game tonight.

This will no doubt be a first proper look at Moura for a few people (only around my 5th game I'll have watched fully) but let's hope he plays well and we don't have a hoard of negativity on here about wasting money and the likes. On the prospect of signing him I really feel if we are budgeting then Nani will be gone. I cannot see the manager missing a LB and a CMer again this season. Even if the youngsters produce on the tour that by no means makes them ready for the first team straight away. Between them I think they will cover League Cup games and play in about 10 prem games each. Basically covering 1 first teamers spot. Which is the way it should be IMO. With Scholes, carrick, Clevs and another youngster making a massive step up in Powell we only have those options. If the rumours are true about Sahin then I'm certainly glad we have moved on from the Madrid battle and focused our attentions on another target as I feel we certainly need new blood and top quality in there. You all know who I would prefer but seems unlikely we are moving for him unfortunately. I would b happy with the youngsters covering 1 slot and a new CMer for my wanted 2 midfield players this summer. I really hope we get 1 CMer that we can bring in and will undoubtedly improve our starting 11.

LB.

I have read the recent discussions between the regs on here and I (like Syd!) am certain we will sign a LB. a player that can probably be a challenge to Evra and hopefully after Evra's first game of the season, take over from him haha. It seems as though Baines is the target but I feel him or Izzy could come in and be an improvement. Just hope the baines price tag doesn't go higher than 14m. I would be happy with that.

Well can't think of anything else at the minute apart from unlike Constantine I'm not going to apologise for my length ;-)

Jono

I guess you do enough apologising to the missus ;)

Sydney!

I think the reasoning for scholes being the deeper when picking the ball up is, fergie will have seen Pirlo do so well doing it and with scholes being better he can do that job for Utd

fearny

Haha and her sister Syd!

Jono

I was an Anderson backer, but i do feel that his time surely has to be coming to an end. Most likely next summer rather than this summer I think though. Mort

Scholes was playing deeper cos he collects the ball of the defensive and plays it forward. Carrick doesnt he collects then gives it back to the cb to pass out.

Cban

Scholes often drops deeper to get the ball from defence but when the opposition is breaking onto us it's Carrick who had to cover back more as Scholes doesn't have the legs for that. A bit like the Pirlo role as someone mentioned

Gav

Idk why but i see cabaye as a future united great. maybe he will be scholes' replacement when he retires if cleverley doesnt cut it. i would even saay i prefer him to moura especially that he is needed atm while moura is a luxury.
Mick

20 Jul 2012 16:53:39
I'm still not convinced that the RVP thing still isn't a cover for another option,thinks it more of a back up&if can do cheap enough deal then will do it,All it shows that fergie wasn't happy with forwards last season,lot of chances missed which he commented on&also at times a sub was made with swopping welbz for Hernandez or other way round not lot long after a sitter missed,I get the its great Welbz local Utd supporting lad making it but I'm not convinced he ever gona be a 25 goal a season forward not a good enough finisher,work rate can't knock him for,gives everything but work rate may create chances it won't finish them!Even Hernandez didn't look same last season maybe due to that long run of games but at times looked weak. Fergie knows to get that title back can't keep wasting the amount of chances we create

In his early stages of his career at the club Rooney was never a 25 goals a season man... Once Welbeck gets a few seasons under his belt he will be up there with some of the best strikers in the world. Has all the ability in the world just needs working on and he will be a great man utd player.

fearny

I think it could be a smokescreen, for Lewandowski.

He mentioned the other week 'the dream' of playing in the prem, why not with the guy who supplied him alot of goals last season?(kagawa)

I think for his age, 20m would be a good investment, although i think he could be a target next year maybe,

rooneys horse's uncle's trainer told me soo... jokes all my own speculation.

Cban

20 Jul 2012 16:15:54
Shaps dont worry about it mate think we got our wires crossed on a few points. pulled shoulder muscle kept me up all night I wrote with gritted teeth, too tired to go over the points.

made me chuckle a little you saying getting carried away with your mammoth posts lol

no worries pal I re read your post. it was fair point. but from a phsycological stand point. a marquee signing would be good for the club. and a little overdue.

..constantine..

No worries mate, I totally get your point on the fans needing a marquee signing. Especially after the way the season ended. I think thats why we've gone for Hazard Rodriguez and now Lucas. I just don't think it's healthy to get to carried away and put.the lad under undue pressure.

Hope the shoulder gets better soon, i'm nursing a.bad back atm. Its not a lot of fun when your in pain.

Shappy

20 Jul 2012 15:36:41
Ed002 if we were to sign Lucas Moura how would you think he would fit into the team ? i think just as a swap for Nani {Ed002's Note - I really never see beyond squads of players. Perhaps Ed004 would like to answer that when he is released.}

Oh okay are you watching the womens football?

20 Jul 2012 13:55:46
For anyone who didn't know there is two games televised today Womens Team GB vs Sweden and then Mens Team GB vs Brazil i think the kick offs are 4.00pm and 7.45 pm respectively on BBC One

The Women's Team GB is playing its Swedish counterparts ? Please tell me they swap shirts after the game :)

Halesini

Haha a swedish player swapped with a male fan once (i think it was sweden) il tell you what i wouldnt be surprised if theres more viewers for that match due to it being women but morally its for all the wrong reasons but as a man its all the right reasons

Looking forward to seeing Moura hopegully as been generally under whelemed in the games seen in him so far. I expect many either:
a) We have to up the bid and sign this player references

or

b) He isnt worth that much, why didnt we go for Oscar references

or

c) We should take a risk on Pato or Hulk
references

Also, apart from midfield does the GB team look pretty rubbish or is that just me?
Invisible STuey

How good does the brazil team look
jred

20 Jul 2012 13:24:17
Does anyone know if Brazil vs Team GB is televised or on the radio? Would be interested in seeing Moura

BBC1 at 7.30

Dylan

Think bbc 3 show them womens first then mens

20 Jul 2012 12:07:17
Man utd's new away kit on JJB website!

Mr

Still not convinced about the Red Gingham :(

White Away shirt also looks quality tho and I'm a bit partial to the Blue goalie kit!

Halesini

20 Jul 2012 11:46:32
According to Steve Bateman who claims to have good sources at United, United do have an interest in Sahin. I have a feeling we may go for both Moura and Sahin. Apart from the fact they play in different positions, I believe RM maybe willing to loan Sahin out. If not he would be available for around £15m anyway. A much wanted £15m if they want to sign Modric.

Sydney!

I'm sure I echo the thoughts of many United fans that if we got a fully fit Sahin for 15million I'd be over the moon. He is still young and has bags of ability. 15 million for him or 35 million for Modric I would be picking Sahin all day.

Rjmanutd

Id like to see Sahin signed but with him being young yet still getting injured id be put off especially in the toughest league in the world .... id love to see Javi Garcia but i couldnt guess what sort of valuation hed have maybe £25million

I would be made up if them two players were bought Syd.
I would give us great options wide and in the centre.

Simmo

If we get both then i for one will be very surprised, RVP also linked....
HERBIE

I think we need m'vila i think hes better than sahin but i think we could loan him with the option of buying at the end of the season

I have a feeling Sahin will move on loan to someone with a view to a permanent move. Even though a very talented player it is a lot of money to spend on someone who has been injured and unplayed for so long. Think Kaka
Invisible STuey

20 Jul 2012 11:22:32
I think we are all sceptical about this Moura transfer because we have a soft spot for all the players in his positions.

Nobody wants to leave Valencia out of the team, hence the reason everyone keeps saying put him at right back. Nobody really wants Nani to go, even if it is secretly, as we know he is still a star name regardless of his inconsistancy. Young has only just come in and he wasn't too bad last season but could have been better, there is no chance of him leaving though.

Everyone is excited by Kagawa so nobody wants to see him wasted or moved out of position and nobody thinks either Hernandez or Welbeck deserve to play less, which they will if Moura comes in.

This leaves me with a question, why do none of us feel for our CM's? We all say sign Martinez or Modric etc but surely that would mean most )Carrick, Scholes, Cleverly, Giggs, Ando and some of the younger players) will be forced out.

It may just be me but I feel for all of our current players and I would find it very difficult to force them out of the club, so that would rule me out ever being a football manager.

I know our squad needs a little bit more class but I also feel the predicament we have is that we have maybe too many players who deserve game time.

I think even players like Tunnicliffe, Lingard, Petrucci, Cole and Blackett will want gametime soon which they wont get with a Modric or a Martinez or a Moura in the team. Hell I even feel sorry for Lindegaard as he is a cracking keeper that will not get the gametime he deserves.

To finish off my ramble I have to say the more I think of it, the more I would be happy just to sign one more player, a leftback who wouldn't command first team football but is good enough to cover Evra, probs Izzaguire. That way maybe we will see some of the younger players be given the chance to step up and become our very own Moura or Martinez....

...Yet after all that I still want one of them to sign...
its tough being a United fan :P

1redarmy

Good post, I'm a huge fan of Nani and Valencia, and would hate to see Nani leave or Valencia be left out. Hopefully SAF won't act on sentiment, if he feels leaving one out is better for the club then you can only respect his decision and back the club.

RedDevil19

Getting game-time for everyone is always a concern but its up to Ferguson to manage that. A successful season will be 60 games long and I've always believed we should be putting out teams that not only can but should win, regardless of the opposition.

We have a real opportunity I think in using Giggs and Scholes for example with the youngsters coming through like Tunnicliffe, Cole, Blackett, Petrucci etc in some of the games against lesser opposition and cup games.

It may sound like herecy but I think Giggs and Scholes roles now should be a more mentoring role for the youngsters, albeit in live games, rather than playing as first teamers.

Personally I think Nani is on the way out as we continue to be linked with others who can play in his position. Anderson too has been mentioned in dispatches in potential swap-deals tho the United Board let alone Fergie would want a return on their £25m investment we seem unlikely to get for the Brazilian.

I think certainly in midfield there will be room created for Moura, Kagawa, Powell, Petrucci, Tunnicliffe etc by:
-selling Nani
-selling Anderson if the right deal or player exchange could be brokered
-Giggs and Scholes taking on a more elder statesman / mentoring role and playing limited 'first choice' games.

I think Fletcher is unlikely to come back or if he does it wont be for the first half of the season which again frees up another berth in the squad.

I understand what you're saying abouot in essence keeping everyone happy (by giveing them the appropriate game time). I kinda think of the United players like they are my own children: I love them all, want them all to be happy but occassionally get annoyed with them!

....and very very occassionally I think 'you're 18 now so time you find somewhere else to live' lol.

Halesini

If he is a better player than them and playing in the same position I dont mind. Both decent wingers and Valencia is likable very much as a player. Saying that they arent a patch on the wingers we have had the last 15 or so years where we have been spoilt in Ronaldo, Giggs, Beckham, Kanchelskis. If and its a big if, Moura is anything like the player he is being cracked up to be sentiment is irrelevant
Invisible STuey

20 Jul 2012 11:04:27
I really hope RVP chooses correctly and comes to OT. City WILL offer him more money, FACT, but I just hope that money is not the be all and end all for him.
He should think about the formidable partnership he could have with Rooney.
I know hes getting on, 29 years old, but surely anything less than 20 million is worth it for a good 3 seasons? anyone agree?
Also, if he does join us, I have already thought of the chant...
Van persie ooooweeeyooohhh,
Van persie ooooweeeyooohhh,
He came from Ar-se-nal,
And now he'll win it all!

20 Jul 2012 09:43:26
Some talk that if we get Moura will Nani be on his way out. That may be peeps putting 2 and 2 together with his contract talks stalling but given we also bid for Hazard and alledgedly Rodriguez too who could also player in Nani's position his 'boss please can I have an extra £30k per week' wouldn't look to be the strongest negotiating position in the universe.

My simple question on Nani: is he world-class ?

The answer for me has to be no as, accepting that he can have some fantastic games for us, his consistency is woeful. Players of genuine class have good or great games 80% of the time if not higher.

Rooney, Vidic, Ronaldo, Beckham, Keane and the slightly younger versions of Giggs and Scholes epitomise this. Class shows its class consistently. These players would walk into any team on the planet in any era.

In my opinion we have had players who have been short of being as top class as those above but they are in the team on merit as though they may only be an 7/8 out of 10 they do that 95% of the time.

Denis Irwin was not a world-class player but I can only remember him making one mistake that led directly to a goal! (Arsenal away in our awful grey strip if memory serves)

Nowadays Carrick is not world-class but he is so under-rated as he consistently performs well to the best of his ability.

On his day Nani can be an 11/10. But truthfully how many of those days have we seen in a red shirt ? Contrast that to the number of 4/10 performances we've seen.

I think Nani has been given a fair crack of the whip by Uncle Fergus but ultimately in 5 seasons he has not produced the goods.

Personally I dont think he is worth anywhere near the £30m that some seem to think he is worth but I would take someone's hand / arm / upper torso off if any club bid that type of cash for him.

Halesini

He is easily worth 25-30million maybe 35 if a bidding war gets going but it all depends on whether Moura will sign imo

£25m-£35m Nani would fetch.

Sydney!

Halesini, I like you're posts but I cant stand this Uncle Fergus noise you make, who the hell calls him that?

1redarmy

1redarmy

I prefer Uncle Fergus to SAF / Fergie!
Come on mate, next thing you'll be telling me I can't jokingly shout 'Fergie Out' when we go a goal up! ;)

Back to the Nani situation ...

Syd - I think £25m for him would be great business. And yes I accept he will probably mysteriously go on to be a great player for someone else but just dont see it at United.

Maybe its down to position or he just needs to play 100% of games. Forlan (pronounced for-lorn) looked a good prospect when we signed him and subsequently improved to be a very good player for Villareal but the same player just didn't 'work' at OT. C'est la vie.

Halesini

Has Syd turned into Yoda?

Danny Pughnited

The reason I say up to £35m is because if it gets to the final week of the transfer window and PSG or Anzhi still haven't got their winger, it could easily be a bidding war. But we would fetch a bare minimum of £25m.

Sydney!

You really think a bare minimum of £25m, why? Not saying he isnt a good player and young and talented but £35m I think is highly unlikely. I dont see him going anyway to be honest but if he did I would have thought it would be nearer what we paid for him more like £18-25m. Of course one of these rich clubs could go mad but £35m sounds obscene to me, mind you Thiago Silva was a ridiculous fee
Invisible Stuey

If Nani was available for a measly £18m we would have had several clubs trying to sign him. Probably 20 clubs minimum. He is easily a £25m player. I think he will sell for between £25m-£30m, closer to the latter. His independent valuation is £31.5m.

Sydney!

20 Jul 2012 01:15:35
Has the m'vila to arsenal move collapsed?

Caolán. {Ed002's Note - No.}

Yes wenger was going to sign him but then at the euros he had some off field problems with i think the coach and now wenger doesnt want him anymore

i think we should sign him because he wants to sign for a epl team and he would only cost around 15 million quid and he fills our problem

20 Jul 2012 01:16:39
shaps really i should be sleeping mate. couldnt this have waited?

dont be a wet blanket. the noise thats coming out of brasil is that hes second only to neymar. im not saying thats a guarentee but sometimes you got to take the risk. whatever the inconsistancies of him there is general sweeping consensus that the boy is a bit special and then some.

shevchenko veron ibra at barce if I made the effort I could come up with countless made stars who have fallen short. there are no guarentees at any stage of development when changing leagues.

but what he has more than established is room to grow and at an age at which good training is still an unfillied canvass. its no small thing to be established in sau paulo either

there are two sides to every opinion. mine is that once the debt is paid off we will have alot of money available. the outlay for moura would be considered relative peanuts and the gamble minimal.

and believe me on a transfer this size the club would have done the homework and Saf we know is a stickler for level headed grounded players with the desire to improve.

players like this do not come up often and even less to want to end up in manchester. you should be glad theres still life in the wallets of the club and the balls to make that gamble.

your doing a good impression of a redman rft lovechild. finally we have a possibility to fill the gap ronaldo left. this shoudnt be a glass half full moment

this is a marquee signing the club desperately needs and we are not just buying a player we are creating a buzz for a realistic possibility of greatness again. if the blue mancs are spending half a billion pounds to create that buzz. whats thirty odd mill? see the bigger picture.

he is huge in brasil and that is a market opened more than the twins or Anderson could achieve. it also inspires the worldwide fans of which nearly every football fan walking has a love and respect for brasilian football.

it also makes the ipo more attractive as investers dont wont safe, safe lets opportunities go. real money makers spend to make. they take calculated risks. it gives the impression the glazers are doing some work for thier return.

or maybe nani will be sold and that means nothing
however

the buzz this would create within the team, aligned with the fans buzz would have a great affect on the pitch. inspiration that will reverberate through the club is priceless. we are not just buying a player, we are keeping in touch with the ideals of the club that brought us best and charlton and the likes. well worth thirty mil.

maybe im being ott but the game breeds itself from passion so I wont apologize for it.

the fans need this shap. and all respects genuine to you, give it a rest about the glazers were lumped with them.

..constantine..

This wasn't an anti Glazier rant, I know we are stuck with them and although I can see the damage they have done to our club and am not gonna judge them until their long term intentions are clear. It's obvious the global recession put a huge spanner in.their plans.

My main concern is with people bigging him up having never seen him play properly. They are putting huge.pressure and expectation on a young player. He is a talent but lets not hang the label of messiah around his neck.

Also you say we can expect him to be amazing as we will have done our reasearch on him but we also have done it.on Hazard and Rodriguez both of which would.find.the move easier.to make. It just seems like were desperate to.sign.this type.of player.

I just think people are getting carried away.

Shappy

19 Jul 2012 23:13:08
I'm very satisfied to hear were sniffing round RVP and Lucas moura . Rvp one of the stand out players, top scorer and voted pfa player of the year in this country last year and Lucas moura one of the best young footballers From brazil which have produced the greatest teams and players of all time . Yet people slate this and talk about baines , dembele and a whole host of second rate players. Make ya mind up here lads are we trying to plod along or set the football world on fire . We're still united and regardless of our off field issues which I will be bitter about till my final breath ! We should expect the best not average Jo ! I'm not sayin be a dreamer , just keep believing . And after everything fergie has done for our club I'm ashamed to see people question him. Too much glory has made some of our supporters expectant. Some of us hold the memories of the dark old days close to our thoughts cause it makes us realise how lucky we are !SHANDY