Manchester United Banter Archive October 20 2018

20 Oct 2018 19:10:49
Pride and Passion is back, the team is together and looks like they are playing for Jose. Let's keep it going, if these displays continue we will be moving up the table very quickly.

20 Oct 2018 20:04:56
Nice to see that, players looked 'together', need to start on the front foot from now on though.

20 Oct 2018 20:25:54
90 minutes against juve and a win is certain at home not just 45.

20 Oct 2018 22:36:26
Just imagine if we had of signed a decent centre back. We wouldn’t be shipping as many goals and today would of probably been a win.

20 Oct 2018 23:13:44
Alderwireld maybe?

20 Oct 2018 23:28:45
Almost as if Jose knows what he’s doing and knows what he needs. 👀.

21 Oct 2018 03:47:07
Almost. Martial has More goals than any Utd player since his debut, he would probably have a few more if he as a regular.

{Ed001's Note - I wonder how many centre backs Jose needs to sign before he finds one considered decent?

As for Martial, he is not a good winger, put him up front where he belongs as Lukaku is like a bumper in pinball. He doesn't control the ball, it hits him and bounces off with no one knowing where or how far it will go. Especially him.}

21 Oct 2018 05:39:51
eric if he knew what he was doing, it wouldn't be pogba's 3rd season without anyone knowing what position he should be playing in or us spending 70mn on cb's only to have mourinho throw them under the bus. Also remember that martial and especially shaw would have been shipped off this summer if mourinho had his way. If that is a guy who clearly knows what he is doing, i am really worried for us.

21 Oct 2018 07:06:49
I am happy that rivals are now worried, CSM.

21 Oct 2018 07:27:40
The signing of lindelof didn't make sense at the time and still doesn't make sense now. We had a relatively promising centre half in bailly, he needed to be paired with a more experienced defender.

On martial and shaw, good thing woodward vetoed mourinhos attempts to ship them out as they've been our best players this season.

21 Oct 2018 07:12:51
ED001 i'd love to see Rashford and Martial up front.
Terrorise defenders.
Lukaku will always score goals, but he will never be a world class player.

{Ed001's Note - defo agree mate, those two have so much more potential. Lukaku is a flat track bully, he scores multiple goals in games when it doesn't really matter, then goes missing when it does.}

21 Oct 2018 11:37:49
Don't you rate Bailly Ed001? Big fan on him but Lindelof, not so much. Also, don't any of the Ed's do match predictions anymore?

{Ed001's Note - it is not me who doesn't rate him, it is clearly United fans who want Jose to buy 2 'decent' defenders as they think he has none and that is why he plays the way he does. As for the match predictions, I keep forgetting to collect them now I am not doing match previews. My fault.}

21 Oct 2018 11:47:54
worried about what UA, because last i checked we are 9th, 9 points off the top that too just after 9 games.

21 Oct 2018 12:10:20
Them fans want shiny new signings every year Ed, t's a norm. Personally think we only need one, maybe Alderweireld, to partner Bailly.

{Ed001's Note - Jose wanted 2, that is the point.}

21 Oct 2018 12:40:40
CSM, your poont being? Last time i checked you were one of those who said - "performance matters more than results". So quite down and enjoy the performance now. Forget where we are because that doesn't matter for you.

21 Oct 2018 12:57:15
Not good enough from Jose that, Bailly is good enough, Lindelof is his mistake, maybe one needed, certainly not two. Can't just get rid of Bailly, he's fantastic.

21 Oct 2018 13:51:25
I really have never said that UA, Also just to indulge your train of thought, wouldn't performance mean whole of the performance rather than just the goals.

Until martial equalized we were very much the 2nd best team if you could call us that, on the pitch. Even after that Chelsea had more than enough chances to put us away. It was a good performance from some individuals, as a team performance we were rubbish. Matic, Lukaku, Young, sanchez, rashford and lindelof were poor or mostly ineffective. Is half your team being poor now considered a good performance, mourinho fanboys never cease amaze me.

Also weren't you and other mourinho fanboys telling everyone how the 3rd season burnout of mourinho is a myth and how we were on the up because we finished 2nd, funny how performances now matter because results aren't going our way.

20 Oct 2018 15:01:00
Shaw and martial excellent today.

20 Oct 2018 15:40:15
They were pal. Ones signed on hopefully the other follows.

20 Oct 2018 15:59:57
Mata was good aswell. Would people droo Lukaku and play sanchez.
Attimes Lukaku is like a donkey. Slow to turn, but on the other hand at least he has scored wel for us.

20 Oct 2018 16:32:21
I think the way we were pressing from the front today suits an interchangeable front 3 of martial, Sanchez rashford. With mata and pogba linking and playing balls through to that fluid front three could be extremely effective. Lukaku just looks woefully out of form, but worse he looks disinterested. Sanchez deserves an opportunity at cf. we showed today that we can be a very good side. But the energy levels and work rate must be higher.

20 Oct 2018 17:06:32
I though pogba had a good game second half as well, not great defensively but brave enough to get on the ball .

Martial is like Shaw just needs games imo gets a lot of stick on here but he really is a talented lad .
Was playing his best football when we bought Sanchez and dropped him .

20 Oct 2018 17:16:07
The martial goals were so like his first season. Deadly. He placed the ball in exactly the corners. He was very very clinical.

20 Oct 2018 17:16:26
Very good game from Martial, Shaw and Mata today.

I hope these guys carry on from here and let these players play together for a few games.

Lukaku does look out of touch but i would still play with him for now as he is close to scoring a goal very soon.

Really shame about the assitant incident with Mourinho and it will most likely make Mouinho look bad in the press even though it was the Sarris assistant's fault.

20 Oct 2018 17:27:31
Mad Hatter- I would play rashford through the middle dropping RL and try sanchez on the right. If sanchez doesn't work out mata or linguard but RL is playing like emile heskey . loss of confidence but only in a utd shirt?

{Ed025's Note - maybe he has juve on his mind cooky?...if he goes there..as les dennis would say...i will give you the money myself..

20 Oct 2018 17:44:17
Agreed jred. I'm so happy to see them playing to their potential.

The interreaction between jose and marital when being subbed was nice to see too.

20 Oct 2018 17:45:11
And you would play Rashford? A bigger donkey. That guy is a waste of footballing space.

20 Oct 2018 17:51:51
How'd you do in your professional footballing career united addict?

Score many goals against Spain?

20 Oct 2018 18:04:43
I dunno about anyone else but I came away from today gutted that we drew and I would have ripped your arm off for that before the game.

2nd half we were brave and played very well I personally think Chelsea have been the best team in the league this season with the best player and we went toe to toe and should have won.

20 Oct 2018 18:21:25
Agreed deano.

Gutted in the moment but happy overall. The players need to build up their confidence. After today Jose will be ram it home that we are more than capable.

20 Oct 2018 18:25:57
Park - I agree although I thought Lukaku looked better in the second half! I'm not convinced about Rashford on the right either.

I think Martial and Rashford should continue to push each other on the left. I'd give Sanchez a chance up front as I don't think Lukaku is offering us that much at the moment. I think Mata deserves a chance at 10. Can't help thinking we might have wasted a very good player in that position over the years. We've got Lingard that can play at 10 as well. I think we're weak on the right and can't see an obvious solution maybe Pereira or even Chong!

Jred - I agree about Pogba mate. He's brave and courageous on the ball I think we just have to accept that he can fall asleep defensively at times and hope he influences the game enough to cover for his lapses in concentration.

I don't think anyone was expecting us to line up in a 4-2-3-1 formation today. I think it was so Mata could stop Jorginho influencing the game and playing a third deeper midfielder would have give him too much time and space.

Moving forward maybe we should revert to that formation. Thinking back to the start of last season it was a Matic-Pogba axis in midfield with Martial and Rashford pushing each other from the left which had us playing the best football under Jose. The wheels fell off when Pogba got injured and we had a few bad results including City beating us at home. Some consistency in team selection and formation might just help us build some momentum on the back of two very good second half performances. It's going to take a monumental effort just to get into the top 4 and clinging on today would have been a great start. I guess all we can do now is hope for a run of good results and ask some questions of the teams above us!

20 Oct 2018 18:53:25
Yeah Angelred, that one game covers up for more than 3 years of hopelessness. grow up and speak facts not emotions. no matter what you will say, Rashford isn't and will not be a Manchester United level player for me.

20 Oct 2018 19:22:30
We look a better team in 4231 always think we look flat 433.
Sanchez? Really he has been awful since we signed him.

20 Oct 2018 20:10:32
Jred - I agree re 4-2-3-1 and in relation to Sanchez I think he might just give us more mobility and guile up front! Yes he's been very disappointing so far but he looked so sharp playing up front in pre season and perhaps more importantly forged an almost telephonic understanding with Mata. In fact the only good thing about pre season was those two!

If we play 4-2-3-1 and give Mata a chance at 10 we might just stumble onto something really good. Lukaku's had a dip in form, he's not giving us much at the moment so why not give it a try?! If Sanchez is poor bring him off and it might just jolt Lukaku back into action.

20 Oct 2018 21:00:26
Lukaku has been excellent for Belgium.
And has scored more goals for United this season than Sanchez has since he signed .
Lukaku has had a poor couple of games, Sanchez a poor 8 month .

Don't get the love in with big names, Sanchez has been massively detrimental to martial and Rasford . Martial in particular.

20 Oct 2018 21:05:45
He's been there a few seasons now united addict and scored a good few goals so he's doing alright for 'not a united level player' 😂.

20 Oct 2018 23:27:59
United addict seems to have another addiction. Needs to phone Frank.

20 Oct 2018 14:52:57
Lukaku is truly awful, he gets the goals but we won't be winning the league anytime soon with him leading the line. Poor movement and touch that makes emile heskey look like Messi.

Good game, bitter at the last minute goal but that's football I guess.

20 Oct 2018 15:21:16
Who you going to single out next week with your witty anecdotes? Slating players of a team you supposedly support and trying to come up with creative ways on how to ridicule them (are you sure your not a Liverpool supporter from your previous posts) is what grips my *h** about some people. The emphasis on particular players on this site over the years has been embarrassing. If you talk about it to people/ friends with knowledge of football then it seems to be different but once people have access to a keyboard it seems to change amongst some. This is covered under the big umbrella term wheeled out by Ed002 as "Toxic".

20 Oct 2018 15:42:33
Lukaku was poor though. Or aren't we allowed to say when players under perform. I'd like to see him dropped an Sanchez played through the middle. We need a back up striker or a first choice right winger an give rashford minutes up front. Lukakus played every minute of the recent games he needs a rest.

20 Oct 2018 15:54:05
Although Lukaku does have a terrible touch and poor movement, and is not a top CF. That is the truth.

20 Oct 2018 15:55:47
So everything is fine and no one should have an opinion.

20 Oct 2018 17:39:16
That's not what was said. I'm sure you'd be fine if Lukaku knocked on your front door and likened your misses to having a face like a plumbers tool bag. Is that everyone entitled to an opinion? My bet is that Lukaku will now be added to the long list of vilified players over the year. It's getting boring now.

20 Oct 2018 17:45:07
And where has irishroy come from? 2 posts ever? Only today? Oh dear.

20 Oct 2018 17:45:26
Lukaku is a very good player. Dip in form, confidence seems an issue.

Won't last long.

20 Oct 2018 18:06:41
How's about you get behind your players when they are having a tough time? I can't believe some of our "fans" atm.

20 Oct 2018 18:32:56
Supasub, how dare you be so rude. ROY KEANE joins us and you have a go at him. IRISH, you are Keane aren't you, please say its true?

20 Oct 2018 20:06:37
When we need him the most, Lukaku goes into hiding. A few goals up against a team from the lower half and you can bet on him scoring, not good enough tbh, though i hope it works out for him here.

20 Oct 2018 14:36:21
That last minute equaliser hurts. Worse than getting spanked. Really enjoyed that second half. Thought the team looked so much better pressing and playing on the front foot. Who would have thought?

Mata centrally makes us look a much better team. Martial was phenomenal. Shaw and young brilliant. Smalling was brilliant second half. We are missing that rw so badly that gives us balance. Lukaku is a worry. He looks disinterested.

Just a bit gutted. Feels like a loss. Just want to add how classless Chelsea fans are to Jose. The manager that made them relevant.

20 Oct 2018 14:45:57
We did very well today. Looked dangerous on the counter attack, and contained their best players.

Jose got it right today, and was let down by two lapses in concentration when defending set-pieces. Mata was very good, Martial top class, and Matic was excellent today. The equaliser hurts because we were the better team.

20 Oct 2018 11:03:36
Mike Dean. what are the odds we’ll see a red card? a penalty? Jose sent to the stands? a less pessimistic me?