Manchester United Banter Archive September 20 2013

20 Sep 2013 20:04:19
How about that. Usain Bolt is giving himself credit for Moyes buying Fellaini and playing Kagawa. That guy has a bigger ego than Ronaldo imo.

But I sure wish we'd employ him as a club ambassador in the future. Charismatic, world famous and adored by fans, not to mention he is one funny guy.

Imagine five years from now Beckham, Cantona and Bolt as club ambassadors. doesn't get much better than that does it?

Mick

Beckham yes, Bolt yes, but Cantona? Eric is my favourite United player but I'm not sure he has the international profile we like to think he has.

Interesting but would Beckham become a global ambassador for the Glazers? Let us not forget he put the green and gold scarf on and yet we don't know how he feels about them. No doubt he loves the club who he has always supported but since retirement he hasn't been around United as much as you might have expected. Would he really want to be the conduit for making money for the owners?
He hasn't accepted an ambassadorial role and we don't know if he will.

Cantona - and especially his new partner (the top actress in France) is massive there - don't suppose he would have the time or inclination to be an ambassador for us?
Cosh

I want Dennis Rodman to come out as a Utd fan - he is responsible for North & South Korea not starting the 3rd World War apparently! A "Brag-Off" between him and Bolt would be great viewing. Jokers.

Red Man, as long as SAF is at MU Beckham would never be offered an ambassadorial role. Beckham would do anything for MU. If he was asked by MU to do it he would do it in an heartbeat.

Ah right Sydney

Of course it would have absolutely nothing to do with the owners at all

Red Man, Beckham loves MU. He wouldn't turn down a chance to represent us. A fan chucked a green and gold scarf towards him and the fans screamed at him to put it on. What do you expect him to do? Of course like us he will be wary of the ownership, but I don't think he would have put a green and gold scarf on in another circumstance. That's all I meant.

20 Sep 2013 14:29:21
Big Pete was the best signing.

Top 5 made up by Cantona, Ronny, Keane and McClair IMO. Loads of very close ones like OGS, Irwin, VDS, Rio etc.

Now for a debate instead of worst signings what 3 players did in your opinion he sign with high hopes of but never met them?

Mine are Veron, Cruyff and Poborsky.

Veron for sure, Macheda has been one of my biggest disappointments as he was absolutely prolific when he arrived and described as one of the best SAF had seen 1 on 1 with the keeper.

Bebe, Djemba-Djemba and Massimo Taibi. Not everyone will agree I know haha. If it was a top 5 I'd shove in Bellion and Veron, simply for what we paid for him.

It's got to be kleberson, veron was disappointing, but I still think he added something to the team. If I remember correctly, kleberson was brought in under high hopes and a rather large transfer fee, but was a flop on every single level. Couldn't pass couldn't shoot, couldn't defend, had no pace. Awful signing. Would rather have had a team of djemba djembas than klebersons lol!

Massimo Taibi, Ralph Milne and William Prunier.

Diego forlan

I suggest Jono and Supasub watch the Spurs game where we are 3 down and go on and score 5 in the second half . Veron was a league winner that year. If you remember he was a panic buy by Fergie after Vierra originally agreed to join and then changed his mind at the last minute. Veron's touch and passing was sublime it was just the pace of the English game he struggled with

Anderson was disappointing.

I agree kloot, he was good that season but as an overall player, for what we paid for him I think he was similar to Anderson, except had a bit more to him. Brilliant when he wanted to be but majority of the time he was just filling a space. But no one will take away the title from taibi I don't think. Shocker of a keeper!

Any of the above but can remember also William prunier, he had shocker when he trialled for us.

KLOOT

I remember the game well and whilst I agree Veron generally got a hard time that he perhaps didn't deserve, he never dominated like we hoped he would. Another example of SAF buying someone and not being sure what to do with him

KLOOT is spot on, Veron genuinely improved us in Europe, he just needed a bit more time on the ball than he was allowed in the league.

Top 3 worst signings in the modern era: Bebe, Manucho and The Blind Venetian Massimo Taibi.

KLOOT I know the game well thanks, read the question at the top again fully. Veron also had some good games in CL for us but he didn't deliver for 28 million imo. He was a top player at sampdoria and I never expected us to sign him. But he was not value for money for the time he was with us. I'm surprised it never worked better with Scholes, Veron and Keane as a central midfield.

I actually liked Veron, think he gets way too much stick

Brian McLair, good shout. What a true pro and I am so glad he was a key part of the team that finally won the league. I loved the moment when Winterburn tried to shoulder barge him and ended up in a heap. Brian picked him up by his shirt and snarled at him before dumping him back onto the floor.

Between ourselves and sampdoria veron played for parma and then lazio where he was awesome and instrumental to the romans winning the scudetto, RVN was devastated when we sold veron as was i.

Veron would have worked had Fergie played a 4231 but was never suited to our style of 442 and Keano by his own admission was not greatest teammate with him and he never settled in.

Did we ever play Scholes, Veron and Keane in the same line up?

Yes we played all 3 sometimes in the CL as we were vulnerable as a 442 to counter attacks. SAF in Europe then opted for 3 centrally to neutralise counter attacks and continued ever since. We then always continued with and odd number in central midfield particularly 1 person sitting very centrally which has transfered into the premiership, that man being carrick.

KLOOT

I think you have maybe misread the meaning of the post. I personally thought Veron was amazing in Italy and when we signed him I was over the moon but the expectation of what he could do was never lived up to and so unlike the Kleberson's, Djemba x2 etc who came with far less expectaion Veron didn't live up to his billing on a bigger scale.

I fully agree his adaptability to the pace in England was a big issue but had he been played in the hole IMO he would have flourished with that bit of space. I remember well the game you are talking about and he also had a very good debut in the pre season ga, e v Celtic scoring a free kick but in general a mixture of his adaptability and position made his tenure at us an underwhelming time in comparrisson to what we all no doubt all expected from him.

Easy first up, Danny Wallace big money move back in the day! Second, bebe pure rubbish! And finally Cruyff

20 Sep 2013 14:07:01
Eds. can you tell me why all my posts are being sent to the Man United Teams page?
Normally they go to the Man United Banter page which is where all the action is. {Ed007's Note - Well your last post was what you thought the team on Sunday should be, if you send in a team selection where do you expect it to go?}

That told me didn't it!

BOOOOOM!

20 Sep 2013 12:21:04
I have never been so excited for a derby match as I am for super suday clash against our noisy neighbours, who do u think should be lining up for the match? I'd go with the team against leverkusen but with slight changes, evans for ferdinand and young/welbeck(if fit) for kagawa. What do u think guys.

Why in earth would you want Young for Kagawa?

Likewise, I'd go for the same side except change Kagawa for Welbeck. If we can get a firm grip on the game then Kagawa can always come on but I think we could do with Welbeck's energy to help out Evra otherwise Navas will skin him at every opportunity.

Fresh young is harder working than kags, and a more direct type of player, which IMO would suit a counter attacking style which I have a feeling is what we will play on sunday.

Not a fan of Young, but have to agree his is excellent in a swift breakaway situation.

20 Sep 2013 10:29:53
Just read an article saying that Carrick is in his lat year of contract and we haven't tied him down to a new de yet. Why does the club seem to have problems with getting our best players under contract. Really poor.

It's called a rolling contract Fresh.

Try to chill out ;)

Also wouldn't be worried about Carrick's contract he loves playing for United and I can see him retiring here.

That isn't the point, I dislike the way that we act about contracts, we take the assumption that everyone well stay and can't be attracted by other top clubs.

Fresh,

Once players get to a certain age we give them a rolling contract knowing full well they will stay. That then means if they have a lack of form or when they come to the end of their career we do not have a player 3 years longer than we should have. The players we do it with are ones we know won't be going elsewhere.

20 Sep 2013 08:27:23
Morning. It was good for Ferguson to praise Rooney after the match on Tuesday.
However, Rooney still does not look happy. In my humble opinion, he is still angry about Ferguson's comments that he asked for a transfer. When clearly he hadn't as no proof has emerged from united.
Wouldn't it be good if Ferguson just came out and retracted the statement? I think that is all it will take. Is it so hard to do, or will Ferguson's ego get in the way?
Anyway, I am delighted Rooney is here, because he has proved that we are a different team when he plays. He had an off season last year, yet still managed 16 goals and a load of assists. Better than most in the Pl. And some posts I read that he will be finished in two years due to the shape of his body, are laughable. I can guarantee, that baring a bad injury, Rooney will not be over the hill in two years time.
Let's get behind the team, including Rooney and go and beat city. I don't normally do this, but I think we will get a result on Sunday!
NoMidfield

Nomid

No one doubted his value when fit and motivated, how ever you seem to want to conveniently make yourself believe that he did not ask for a transfer and it is all fergie that was up to no good. I think his silence, his refusal to deny it and the clubs statement of saying they were focused on keeping him all points to the fact that he did ask for a transfer. Whether this is contract and money driven or based on playing time, position asked to play as some people think maybe the problem is anyone's guess.

The reality is there are too many things that point to the fact that he asked for a transfer and it was not granted. In your case you want winning at any cost and willing to turn a blind eye to stuff in my case I love winning but not at any cost.

I am pleasantly surprised Rooney has been playing so well this season. See what happens when you keep your ass in shape? Stay fit and the rest will take care of itself. We may have won the league by 20 points had Rooney looked after himself last season.

Keep it up son and number 21 is just around the corner.

There have been several articles in newspapers that have said that United accept that Rooney did not ask for a transfer. I believe he saw SAF to express frustration and concern about the changes to where he was playing or being dropped and it was the interpretation of that frustration that was the error. I think it would be natural for anyone, given the way he was played last season, to ask the question to his manager and to himself do they want me? That is not a transfer request and for me it needs clarification

SAFs new book could either resolve it, ignore it or blow it up but I would be angry in Rooneys position if I was accused and vilified of something that was not actually the case and would feel that way until it was made clear. It is about personal principals and I hope SAF comments are the first step in the clarity needed

Red Man, SAF clearly done his best to rock the boat this summer. I think he wanted Rooney out of the club. We know they haven't got on since 2010. But Moyes is manager now so it's his call and I think Moyes genuinely wants him to stay. When playing like this it's hard to justify selling him, however on last season's form/commitment I wasn't fussed either way.

Rooney is a striker I think he has said that himself, playing him left or right or especially cm was ridiculous .
After last season I could fully understand why he would want to move to Chelsea and play that role.
It now looks like moyes is going to play him up top and look at the difference. He's had no pre season but after only a few games all ready looks a different player.
So much for him being finished it looks like it only took a couple of games to change people's minds

Credit where it's due Jred, you did say you think Rooney will have a good season this season and you were spot so far. We are only a few games in but I am impressed up until now. We can see what happens when he puts in the hard work and gets fit. Shame he couldn't do the same last season when there were times when we really needed him.

We have Fellaini which has strengthened the midfield. We have Valencia & Rooney returning to some kind of form, it's almost like they are the same person. Both poor last season, both looking good this season. We have Nani yet to properly feature with a new contract and raring to go and we have Zaha, Powell and Januzaj waiting for their opportunities.

Things look good at the moment. I hope we can get the three points at City. That will put us in a great position so early on.

Syd
We need to judge at the end of the season but things look good at the moment .
I would of liked us to buy more creative players but if we are going to play 4_4_2 we probably didn't need to .
From day one I believed a Rooney rvp partnership could be something special it works so well on paper, hopefully we see that this season

We are still missing Rafael too. Jones as an option in midfield for Sunday and Welbeck who usually has a good game against City. It's a strong squad, but how good would have we looked with Thiago at the club? Such a quality player.

A lot of people on here, seem to think Wayne was very hard done by, by that old monster, Fergie.

Can someone please tell me what his reason was for wanting to go the first time?

And please don't give me all that aul keek about some fiendishly clever masterplan to force the Glazers to get the moolah out.

NM

I think he looks pretty happy, happier than RVP at the moment anyway. The standing ovation will have helped and he certainly looks motivated right now. Fingers crossed he stays fit and focused.

Steviek
in 2010 he wanted a big deal, at the time he was one of the best players in the world and wanted a deal that reflected that

Just for the record I had absolutely no problems with Rooney wanting a bigger salary in 2010. He was our best player and playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world, he should have been on a bigger salary than £90k a week. I didn't like the way he went about getting a new deal, but perhaps that was the only way he would get one? What I wouldn't be happy with is if Rooney is demanding a bigger deal again on the back of last season's performances and using Chelsea to get one. That is what Desailly believes he is doing and to be fair I agree. What Rooney is doing now is playing his way into a new deal and that is what he should have done last season. I hope he can continue this form as I have doubt we will win the league.

That's fair enough jred, even though the way he went about it was clumsy at best.

By that token, why is everyone so quick to see the good in him now, knowing he has form, and portraying the whole fiasco, as bad Fergie messing with the little, innocent Wayne?

Steviek
Fickle fans as simple as that

20 Sep 2013 00:09:04
Looking through SAF's signings, cantona, Ronaldo vidic and Schmicael are the ones most admire by opposition fans and mainly by us to but for me Ole Gunnar Solksjaer should be on the list of incredible signings not just from a united fans point of view but from any general football fans! He never missed and it's a shame that injury robbed us of and even better career that he would off had! But watching a few videos of him tonight I just can't help but admire his finishing right foot, left foot and headers from all kinds of angles! Superb player and hugely under rated by many football fans. {Ed007's Note - Roy Keane for me Caolan, he is my all time favourite sportsman, not just football player.}

Absolutely adored keano too bond! But I think keane is admired by many outside of Manchester United whereas ole hasn't got the recognition I think he deserves {Ed007's Note - A fair point.}

Stam, Irwin and Van Nistelrooy were pretty good too to name a few.

I think you are all forgetting Ralph Milne :-)

There are so many to pick from but for me the best have to be|

1. Cantona for the impact he had
2. Schmeichel - what a snip
3. Giggs - it's easy to forget just how good he was

I think bellion has to be the best, followed closely by obertan, tosic, jemba jemba.
But seriously, cantona was the best signing as he was the catalyst for all the success that followed.

I loved ruud! One of the most clinical strikers to have ever played for us. If he had the ball in the box 9 times out of ten it was in the back of the net!