Manchester United Banter Archive March 21 2018

 

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21 Mar 2018 22:35:20
Hi ed0333

That long ago I can’t remember what we talked about. I remember revealing my Mancunian loyalties but he wasn’t bothered and the rivalry wasnt as toxic as it is now, seems to have worsened when Liverpool stopped being top dogs, doubt I would have mentioned Norman though. Re drinking, see my other post about a certain Thursday evening back in the eighties, he wasn’t the one laid unconscious over the bar.

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{Ed0333's Note - ok mate will do. I honestly think the hostility nae toxicity has diluted somewhat, maybe this is due to the fact that your not winning everything in sight anymore or hopefully both sets of fans realize it’s only a game of football and there are more important things in life like world hunger, poverty, persecution etc etc and 22 guys kicking a piece of white leather around pails into insignificance.

22 Mar 2018 02:07:35
its not a real rivalry like celtic v rangers, and that's not me trolling as my united leanings are well known, i find all the english derbies quite tame, up here you have to be streetwise and have your wits about you going to and coming back from old firm games, people have been murdered up here for the rivalry which is about more than just football sadly.

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{Ed001's Note - real rivalry? It is no such thing. It is bigotry and disgusting sectarianism and stupidity and moronic and you fools celebrate it and call it a 'real rivalry'.}

22 Mar 2018 12:46:20
did i not put in my post that its sad the rivalry is about more than football? I think you'll find i did, my club Celtic are non sectarian and open to all, the other fools as you describe them had an anti-catholic sectarian policy for over 100 years, that's why up here rangers are called scotland's shame.

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{Ed001's Note - are yes of course Celtic never did anything of the sort, such as when Jock Stein was told he would never go any further as he was Protestant. Just accept your 'rivalry' is nasty and you lot up there need to grow up and stop celebrating stupidity, instead of coming on here casting scorn on other rivalries as not 'proper rivalry'. If you can't see that what you wrote makes you a fool then you are an even bigger fool than I thought.}

22 Mar 2018 13:11:18
Ed007 will tell you, Aberdeen v Hibs used to be a pretty tasty fixture back in the day. Amongst the supporters at least. Especially during the height of the Casual scene. Mind you, Aberdeen people tend to hate everyone with equal enthusiasm.

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{Ed007's Note - Aberdeen didn't mess about, Stevie. When I was about 17/18 they threw me through John Menzies on Union Street's window.}

22 Mar 2018 13:40:44
it just makes me look like the decent football fan i am who has no hatred or bigotry in his body and was merely going on about the severity of rivalries as someone who has also attended manchester derbies and united v liverpool games, as my point was i find them quite tame and relaxing compared to glasgow derbies.

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{Ed001's Note - that is not what you said is it. So perhaps you should think about what you say before insulting other rivalries that are just as real as yours. Hatred and violence does not make something more real, just more stupid.}

22 Mar 2018 14:21:12
again you missed my original point, i'm talking about the intensity of the rivalry not the cause of it.

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{Ed001's Note - it is not me missing the point. Still going over your head I guess.}

22 Mar 2018 14:26:45
Ed there is hatred and rivalry in England when it comes to football and when all the clubs join together for international games England are the most hated in world football.
And in other countries Italy, Germany, Brazil Argentina and so on are full of hatred where football is concerned.
It's everywhere in football
I don't agree with it buts it there.
The last time England came to Ireland they ripped up the stadium and I was there and will never forget the look on some kids faces, they were frightened for their lives.
I hope it has moved on from that now. but there will always be a handful that will start it off.
Give some clowns 6 pints and they are off.

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{Ed001's Note - you are missing the point as well. I was saying that you cannot judge a rivalry by the hatred. Everton-Liverpool, for instance, has lost a lot since it becoming hatred rather than a friendly rivalry. Hatred does not make a rivalry, it does nothing but produce idiots who glorify in it. Has Liverpool-Man Utd rivalry become better for having more hatred in recent times? Not at all, it has just made it nastier, not better or more real.}

22 Mar 2018 18:09:03
Ed01 is right. For some daft reason the Glasgow clubs seem to wear there 'rivalry' as a badge of honour.

It often gets disgusting and nothing to be proud of. Certainly nothing to come on a united message board and boast about that's for sure.

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22 Mar 2018 18:49:30
What ever happened to being rivals without hating each other? Why the need to hate? I'm a very competitive person, which has a tendency to create quite a few rivalries. However, I don't hate anyone. To be honest I find the idea of hating someone foolish, time consuming and self destructive. You hating someone has a far greater effect on you and your emotional state than it does the person you hate. Just let it go.

I grew up with loads of Liverpool fans, the kids of glory supporting fathers who have no connection to Liverpool but they were the best team when they grew up. Then I had to endure taunts of being a glory supporter because I'm not Mancunian and United have done very well during my life. Yet I was a United supporter because I was brought up (within football) by United supporting Mancunians. Yet I don't hate a single one of them. Because I know that they know deep down United are just better. lol.

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22 Mar 2018 19:56:14
who was boasting? i was talking about the intensity of the atmosphere, who would want to talk about the bad side of it? and i'm talking on a manchester united site because i'm also a manchester united fan of 40 odd years.

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21 Mar 2018 19:44:35
Here another one for the youngsters. Back in the day thee was s ure fire way to get a cup final ticket and that was to collect tokens. Every programme had a little square token that could be cut out and stuck to a token sheet. To make things interesting the club would sometimes put a token in the programme for a reserve game so you often saw huge attendances for a reserve game as fans turned up purely to buy the programme (for the token) . When the tickets for a final went on sale they would be sold first to fans who had all the tokens, if any tickets were left the required tokens were reduced by 1 and so on.

I remember crossing everything in 1983 waiting for the League Cup Final tickets as I had a token missing. The good news is I got s ticket, the bad news we lost. A memorable game for Whiteside leaving Hansen for dead and Grobbelaar assaulting Gordon McQueen and getting away with it, we wuz robbed.

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21 Mar 2018 20:05:30
I’ve been told about that before AJH, was a great idea.

I’m still a bit worried that you’ll start talking about rationing and working with a spinning Jenny if you keep going.

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21 Mar 2018 20:18:54
We used to turn up at games and pay at the gate, some times the queues were dreadful and fans would get locked out because the ground was full. We used to arrive really early to avoid that happening, sit on the bar at the front of the Stretford End with our legs through the bars (sounds silly now doesn’t it) .

It’s Red Man’s fault, he’s clearly ancient but he has me reminiscing about the early days. I started supporting a United in ‘75 when we were in Div 2 and I still remember sitting in the he car in Stockport whilst my parents were shopping hearing of our promotion. My first game was in ‘79 when we beat Fulham 1-0 in an FA Vup 3rd round replay.

The thing about the pre success years was you never knew what might happen. We might win 3-0, we might lose 3-0. It was more about the experience and the camaraderie than the winning. Football has changed so much, evidenced by the obsession with staying in the Premier League irrespective of achieving any cup success.

I’m so lucky to have lived through 20 years of success but my favourite game remains the FA Cup semi final of ‘83. Arsenal scored first and then Robson and Whiteside scored screamers. Unbelievable atmosphere and game.

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21 Mar 2018 21:14:15
I’m getting all misty eyed, and I wasn’t even alive until the early 80s.

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21 Mar 2018 22:05:26
In cork we got butter vouchers from the government so we went to the local shop and traded them for 10 fags. True story.
How did Roy Keane ever make it.

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22 Mar 2018 02:11:03
ah the old pay at the gate days tony, i can remember paying 60p to go in the boys gate at celtic park lol.

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22 Mar 2018 07:40:39
The token system in the programme was open to abuse though, people simply bought a few programmes whilst at the game and filled in more than one sheet thus making it possible to attain a ticket for someone that had not attended a single match.

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22 Mar 2018 09:05:25
AJH, you reminded me of the times myself and a friend used to sit with our legs through the bars at the front, is my mind playing tricks, or do you remember lads walking round the edge of the pitch with a tray round their shoulders selling snacks like in cinemas?

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22 Mar 2018 13:06:36
I don’t remember the snacks but it was some time ago so you may be right. Paying in the day was great, we used to go in different parts of the ground from game to game. In the Stretford Paddock you could stand anywhere from the corner to he half way line.

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22 Mar 2018 18:18:02
Georgieworst

It was the elusive youth team token issued on a rearranged game on a Tuesday evening that caused problems. It was hard to get to know about the game in time, media is not like it is now, there was no internet, no emails, basically you checked the last programme, the MEN or the football pink. First team programme tokens alone didn’t get you a ticket. There was a black market for those rare tokens, I also remember people were steaming them off token sheets but the club got wise and marked the sheet once the ticket was issued.

I also remember queuing around the outside of the ground, then in and around the terraces for cup final tickets, hours of fun to get to the then small ticket office.

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23 Mar 2018 16:34:31
AJH, I remember all that and funnily enough at the Brighton game we were talking about the lads selling snacks. Chipmunk crisps and Bovril. Great days and a lot more enjoyable. Bring back the Doc i say.

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21 Mar 2018 18:49:28
A lot of papers still linking us witj a move for Danny Rose.
I know he is Englands 1st choice lb and a very fine player but wiuld he be worth the risk aftrr the physiological damage and humiliation poch has put him through this sesson in front of his colleagues?
Doesnt even make the bench most weeks which seems unususl for the countries no1
Reports that poch blanks him completely and hasn't spoken to him for months and has refused to meet with him for a 1 to 1.
Cl cup tied him before xmas brining him on in injury time in a group match.

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21 Mar 2018 19:08:03
Been a nice vibe on the site today.

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21 Mar 2018 19:24:39
Poch the bully 😂 England's poor left backs.

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21 Mar 2018 19:30:22
Got to be honest I'm not a massive fan of rose, decent player but at 27 only really had 1 good season imo .
Had a awful run with injuries since that good season to be fair to the lad .

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21 Mar 2018 19:45:12
Should stay clear of him. i'd much ratherprefer Sandro or Phillip Max. Aaron Martin might be too young at the moment as he might have the same issues as Shaw.

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21 Mar 2018 19:46:03
Just to mention Rose is a fantastic lb but he is quite injury prone and hasn't played much recently.

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21 Mar 2018 19:52:35
He doesn’t look a top quality full back to me. He has struggled with fitness too this year.

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21 Mar 2018 20:20:05
Roses best performances were at sunderland on loan. For christs sake even I would look a canny prospect in the sunderland team!

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22 Mar 2018 07:43:34
I'd steer clear of him solely for his injury record. Good player when fit though.

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22 Mar 2018 08:09:56
Huge upgrade on anything we have right now.

id Take him in a heart beat. We are so unbkanaved not having two quality full backs it’s untrue. Young is doing a sterling job but he’s not the level we need.

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21 Mar 2018 07:31:07
Redman, what a great post pre SAF. I am surprised however that you were so damming of Ron Atkinson's team.

"I went to away games because we thought we could win the league, only to be shattered by a bunch of prima donnas and that was awful in the end, nice football but nothing to show for it. "

I remember the Luton game when we were going for a 10th consecutive win at the start of the season. A season when for me when we were the best team and would have won the league barring Robson's crucial shoulder injuries. Equally we lost Hughes to Barcelona and he was no prima, indeed his return was vital. Both of these losses impacted the form of Norman Whiteside who at that point was playing out of his skin in midfield. Even without him Remi Moses and Whiteside are players we'd drool over right now.

I was 19 when he was sacked and had endured the various failures before, however I felt Atkinson was tremendously unlucky. Personally, and we all have our opinions I felt he produced an exciting team - indeed at a time when domestic cup competitions had much more value to both clubs and supporters we were one of the best. What cost him was our performances against the top-4 in the league. Ironically as we sit now a more balanced pragmatic approach then with a dose of Mourinho would have won us the league in 85/ 86.

There's many players I'd parachute from that 85 squad in to today's - indeed there's many traits of Atkinson I'd parachute in to Mourinho's outlook of the game. For me Atkinson was a key part of the transition to SAF. He brought some dignity back to the trophy cabinet and certainly put a smile on my face.

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21 Mar 2018 08:08:59
Totally agree timbo. Atkinson was very unlucky with injuries. At least he went out to win and entertain. Who can forget Barcelona 84, Robson 85 semi and Whiteside 85 final with 10 men. Personally loved going in the 80’s in the utd road. Standing needs to be brought back but it won’t be.

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21 Mar 2018 08:24:31
Timbo

I was at Luton when we drew and at Sheffield Wednesday I think it was when we lost.

It was frustrating because I had never seen us win the league in was it 18 years and they just fell apart. Yes injuries played a part but I stood on the Stretford End singing won eff all again Atkinson. Was it two FA cups in 5 years, the problem would have been Liverpool winning Leagues and European cups at the same time. Tough given the many years of failure.

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21 Mar 2018 10:26:15
Oh yes, Luton and the plastic pitch. I liked that team but post Christmas did we win a game, our form pre and post Christmas was polar opposites. That disappointment led to Atkinson’s downfall the year after, the interesting parallel with SAF is how his team kicked on after the disappointment of ‘92.

Hughes’s head was turned and that was a disruption but we did fall off a clifff.

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21 Mar 2018 12:57:56
Hmmm a side with several notorious drinkers having a dip in form after Christmas and New Year. Surely not. I jest of course. I was to young to really appreciate the Big Ron era and childhood memories always have that nostalgia tinge.

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21 Mar 2018 15:39:32
Timbo. I will definitely take Robson from that team. What a player and what a leader.

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21 Mar 2018 19:05:22
i remember once he was sacked he told the papers he had Terry Butcher and Gary Lineker lined up to join us.

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21 Mar 2018 19:45:33
Is that true BFB or tongue in cheek? Never heard that before.

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21 Mar 2018 21:35:20
No, its true. I remember it very clearly.

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21 Mar 2018 21:46:47
Timbo. found this : Events of the season

During the close season, there was speculation that manager Ron Atkinson was about to be sacked and that Aberdeen manager Alex Ferguson was going to be appointed in his place. Atkinson tried to fight back and prove the critics wrong. He attempted to sign the England defender Terry Butcher from Ipswich Town, but lost out to Rangers (who were managed by the former Liverpool midfielder Graeme Souness) .

But I distinctly remember him in an interview saying Butcher and Lineker were keen on joining and that's why he was shocked he was sacked as the board were backing him to his face but going behind his back. elsewhere I read he said UTD dithered over the fee for Butcher and Rangers stepped in and offered European football.

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21 Mar 2018 21:51:54
Tmbo. from the independent september 2016 :

He was the one who arrived to make Manchester United great again in the 1981 penury of the pre-Ferguson years when, as he remembers it “Sir Matt Busby owned the club Megastore and only opened it on matchdays” while he, as manager, had to sell players to buy.

“I think I spent £7m and recouped £6m in all, ” he says. “The one I really wanted to buy at United was Gary Lineker. I had him all lined up from Leicester for £600,000 but we had to sell first and Everton nipped in. ” I know he also said once Utd couldn't afford 1 millon for Butcher until they sold players first.

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21 Mar 2018 23:17:07
Wow. They would have been exceptional signings.

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22 Mar 2018 06:33:04
I should add to this that I remember this very well as a point of frustration with Atkinson. The rumour back in 84 was actually that Atkinson ignored Lineker who the fans wanted and bought Alan Brazil instead. There was a rumour at the time which I was told by an in ground steward, that Lineker turned up to United for talks to find Atkinson had gone on holiday and he went and signed Brazil instead. We know what happened next.

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22 Mar 2018 07:05:52
Absolutely. Not to mention Lineker got Match of the Fay whilst Brazil ended up on Talksport. A face for radio. 😂😂.

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22 Mar 2018 11:58:58
Liniker has said he had an offer from United but that was 89 under fergy.

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Review Of The Day 21st March 2018

21 Mar 2018 06:12:35
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 21st March 2018

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21 Mar 2018 06:44:24
God, that's some debt Davies wiped off!

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{Ed001's Note - must be nice to be able to do so!}