Manchester United Banter Archive November 21 2011

21 Nov 2011 22:03:30
Evening folks. I personally don't think Fergie will sign anyone in January, well anyone that will be a first team contender anyways.

I was just wondering. Apart from the January with Vidic and Evra joining, has anyone else moved in during a January window and been a success?

Mumbles {Ed004's Note - Smalling, I think he was signed in January?}

21 Nov 2011 21:46:16
Hi all wandered if anyone had heard anything more about nani to juve? I know its paper drizzle but to be fair if there thinking on 30mill i would be happy to let him go! Maybe offer that plus berbs for bale? Something like 15mill plus diouf n gibson for rodwell? Maybe cahill for free in the summer? Hopefully a replacement for evra. As his defending is awful and we could still command a fee! Hopefully players leaving
Kuzshak
Gibson
Berbs
Carrick
Anderson if moneys right
Nani same and replacement signed
Evans cos hes useless
Rio if cahill comes in
Owen
Diouf
Maybe in
Alba
Rodwell
Barkley

21 Nov 2011 21:23:25
Will somebody please tell me why we didnt get Scotty Parker? Has been absolutely immense for tottenham so far this season, and england. Everybody says we dont need a stop gap? We obviously do if Fergie isnt gonna trust Pogba/Morrison. Our midfielders of current are performing well under par and seriously need looking at replacing. Yes he is 30? maybe even 31 now but not one of you could argue he couldnt do a better job than Carrick, Anderson and Fletcher.

RedDevil92

21 Nov 2011 21:09:38
What do you think to this? These changes are quite radical, but for me its the way to go for the next 10 years. The rebuilding has to start from the back for me. I think there are weaknesses all over the back line, but the LB spot is the one that for me needs immediate change. Evra has been on the slip since the 2009 champions league final. He defiantly has not been his best - Alba is my number one target, quick, quite strong on the ball and has a lot of bite, he also gives us left midfield cover. For the fee that we sign him for (no more than 10 million) we would get it back in the sale of Evra. Fabio will also give really good cover and competition as would Fryers.

At CB, we have a good crop, maybe one addition in summer - that would be Cahill for free but i don't think thats needed. We should get a DM that can cover CB. All you Evans haters, where would we get a better 5th choice center back from - support him!

Centrally is where the biggest changes are needed, i feel that we would be better if we had a 3 in midfield with players that can adapt to other formations. Real Madrid's interest in Gotze could mean that Ozil becomes available - if he is then i can only see us as being his destination. He's better than Silva and would quieten those noisey neighbours. For a bit of steel in there my first choice is actually Rodwell - most of you hate him but SAF clearly see's something in him which we have to trust in! He played well against Chelsea, City and ourselves so he is worht a go. That would leave a midfield 3 of Rodwell (holding), Ozil (attacking midfielder), Cleverly (pulling the strings). If you look at Ozil's stats you can see that he made 25 assists last season alone, imagine that with Rooney and Hernandez in front of him. Formidable.

If Rodwell comes in, then Carrick has to go. Gibson in my mind is gone already. Anderson and Fletcher will stay, Park can also play there too. Id keep Park here due to the Far East revenue, football is a business and he is so useful in that way - and he works so hard for us. I hope Giggs retires because i think SAF will rely on him whilst he's here and its not productive.

The forward 3 i'd like to see Rooney, Hernandez, Nani/Young in place. That would give flexibility and there is so much different talent up there. Playing this system there would be no need for Owen, Berbatov, Diouf and maybe even Macheda. Macheda might stay though, we wouldnt want another Rossi on our hands!

The squad looks like this with these moves:

De Gea, Lindegaard, Amos, Rafael, Fabio, Smalling, Alba, Jones, Ferdinand, Evans, Vidic, Fryers, Valencia, Park, Nani, Young, Cleverly, Anderson, Ozil, Rodwell, Fletcher, Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck and Macheda. Pretty good?

Thoughts guys?

ManuFan19

21 Nov 2011 20:21:38
Let me say before i start i am not a huge fan of the Glazers!

I've been reading todays posts and see somebody commenting on how the glazers have stolen £500 million from United.How do steal what is already yours.

I don't know the exact figures,but if we wern't paying interest payments surely the glazers(or anybody else that owned United)would be taking dividends every year so how much extra cash would we have to spend.When we was a PLC we paid dividends.Anyone who baught the club (apart from a rich arab who had more money than sense)would want a decent return on their money so again how much better off would we be than we are now.

To be fair to the Glazers they appear to let Fergie do as he wants unlike a certain rich Russian we know.All of you Glazer haters go on as though they havn't spent any money on the squad(50 million last summer is hardly small change)or the infrastructure.They do appear to be bringing in more revenue than ever before.

If any of you haters were in the position to buy United(albeit borrowed money)without putting any money in yourself and letting the club pay the payments you would jump at the chance.

Is it the Glazers fault we havn't baught a world class midfielder or is it Fergies or is that the players we want don't want to come?

We may be riding our luck a bit and playing crap but we are still only 5 points behind City and in all the cups so it isn't panic stations yet.

Marky Mark

21 Nov 2011 18:03:45
I see Rodwell's future lies as a CB. Right now he is in a training phase and gaining experience at various positions which is very important for a young lad. Same with Phil Jones. Can see the two forming a formidable partnership at the defense for the future England team and hopefully for United as well.

Mr Noname

21 Nov 2011 16:36:11
I'm bracing myself for the disagrees here, but realistically the only signing I can see in January is Rodwell for around the £15-20mil mark. And I personally would be reasonably happy with that if it was as a stop gap til the summer when I believe we would need another quality CM. Rodwell in for £15mil and Evans (£6mil), Kuszack (£2mil) and Gibson (£4mil) out and you've surely got to say that's good business?
Possibley a couple of youngsters too in Jan if available, the likes of Briggs perhaps. Other than that I'm not sure If anyone will be brought in of much significance. And I don't believe that will be because Fergie thinks the Midfield is good enough, it's just difficult to deal in January. People seem to think we can nab all these quality players in Jan 'under the radar' and 'on the cheap'. It just doesn't work like that.

APC

21 Nov 2011 14:43:56
I feel like we are playing like last season without any flair or creativity but still winning games.

initialy the season started off so well and then Cleverly got injured and the midfield flair has seemed to have disappeared with Nani and Young being abit inconsistant.

In January i feel that it will be unlikely that SAF will buy the players being floated around on here etc. He doesn't usually sign big players in jan.

I think Rodwell is still some way off from being ready to play in a UTD shirt but saying that we already have a few players that shouldn't be wearing UTD shirts as they fail to deliver.


Hopefully Fabio will play instead of Evra. Im fed up of seing A.Young trking back to play LB because Evra is too lazy. Few games on bench or even being dropped from squad may force him to buck his ideas up.

I can see Flecther and Carrick in midfield against Benfica seing as Giggs played on saturday. Anderson isn't playing well enough whereas as Fletcher and Carrick will get a job done in terms of breaking up play but they won't particularly create chances so Nani and Young and or Valencia will need to create alot on the wings.

21 Nov 2011 13:38:29
Ed's, Syd, see alot of people calling for Alba and Martinez who in an ideal world would be fantastic signings but realistically these are going to be difficult to snap up so I think we should look at Erik Pieters who is 23 as an alternative for LB and maybe De Marcos from Bilbao at CM who is 22? Also, Muniain is highly rated, any chance of him?

Ports

21 Nov 2011 12:07:35
Ive been thinkin a lot lately of who, if anybody will be brought in to replace Evra. I think that Fabio/Rafael will be competing for the spot with Zeki Fryers being promoted to the first team as cover, when Evra leaves. However i think it likely we would bring somebody else in. Barring Alba - as i know near enough everybody would want him. If we couldnt get him, who would you choose?

I would go for maybe Cissokho or Izaguirre.

RedDevil92

21 Nov 2011 10:36:23
David beckham won the mls cup, i wonder if hes got any energy in those legs, for half a season. Fergy was complementing him on how well he has done over in america. Could become useful at the back end of the season, more numbers in the squad. give us that killer pass and help us out with the set piece situation, stop those annoying corners that hit the first man.
get a defensive midfielder to back him up, or let hi sit in front of the bak four and bring in a box-to-box cm.

aaallj5

21 Nov 2011 09:26:08
Tevez wasn't anything special until he joined City, of course he was a good player, but he was just another United player to us who was mainly sat on the bench.
sydney

syd
tevez was a very good player at united and you are right he was just another player to us who mainly sat on the bench and i think this highlights how the quality of our squad has declined , if we had him now i think he would be a big player for us.
jred