Manchester United Banter Archive September 21 2013

21 Sep 2013 21:36:54
Before the derby, on a lighter note, thought I would share a "collection" of Brendanism (Famous quotes by Brenton Rodgers) that I stumbled onto!

"When we have the football, everybody's a player."

"It was a perfect away performance, apart from the first 10 minutes."

"I've always said that you can live without water for many days, but you can't live for a second without hope."

"My biggest mentor is myself because I've had to study, so that's been my biggest influence."

"I started coaching for one reason and that was to make a difference for people, not just as footballers but as human beings."

"You train dogs, I like to educate players."

"When you've got the ball 65-70% of the time, it's a football death for the other team. We're not at that stage yet, but that's what we will get to. It's death by football. You just suck the life out of them."

"I always say a squad is like a good meal - I'm not a great cook but a good meal takes a wee bit of time, but also to offer a good meal you need good ingredients."

"All I'll ever do is all I've ever done in any job, and that's promise to fight for my life for the people of the city."

"I've always worked along the statistic, that if you can dominate the game with the ball you have a 79% chance of winning a game of football."

"We play with 11 men, other teams play with 10 men and a goalkeeper"

"We will always fight, that's what Liverpool football club is all about. We never accept SECOND BEST. Our main target is to arrive at the TOP FOUR".

I think he is the greatest human alive. LFC and TEL must be feeling like demi gods.

Deeps.

He's the gift that keeps on giving :D

Deeps

That is very funny and must of taken you forever to gather all that.

I think they are having a come to jesus moment on their page today. Some of them actually thought they where going to win the league LOL.

Shahram

I found all of 'em at the same place. Won't be wasting a lot of time trying to pluck Brenton's nuggets of wisdom ;).

You heard what he said y'day? According to him, the only positive from yesterday's game was that Luis Suarez will be back on Wednesday. LOL

Deeps.

Since he got suspended they have enjoyed their best run of points and form and yesterday was their first loss going back to last march. He is a very good player but not sure if that will translate into better results for them.

He does come out with some cringey things. Talks utter cobblers which you can tell he has prepared it hours in advance too. Since his move from Wales he has been getting fake tans, had his teeth done, he's been on that exercise bike. Bought a suit or two. He's slowly looking like Jiminy Cricket ;)

21 Sep 2013 19:35:47
I don't watch a lot of youth football and my whole knowledge came from reading this site in the past. Whenever discussing about the academy players none of you actually thought Lingard would make it to the first team. But watching him perform in the preseason and now in the championship he seems a good player. Maybe he is just getting lucky ;)
Anyways are there any other players in the academy who you think are massively underrated. IMO Brady would have been a better player than Young as both would be used as squad players. Diouf actually did good in German league.

21 Sep 2013 21:42:03
Lots of talent but so many never breakthrough. especially strikers but we have 2 young strikers who look top bracket Will Keane. Coming back from a cruciate so needs a run of games. and Wilson who just scores goals. Its the hardest position to get opportunities but these 2 have all the potential to become. dare I say it shearer like.

Its always difficult to bring youngsters through, even more so now than ever. You just have to pick the best and hope for the best. There will always be some who go under the radar and develop later. Michael Keane is a good example, wasn't that highly rated in the academy but now looks like he could be an effective squad player. Same goes foe Jesse.

Ken
I would say Keane is more a Sheringham type. Not a huge amount of pace but has great positional play, can assist, and has an eye for goal. I can not wait to see him get back to full fitness, and maybe go out on loan to a top championship side next year.

HB
I agree. Our academy produces so many good players on a consistent basis. Just look at the sides in the premiership that have filled their squads with our 'cast-offs'.

As for Jesse, anyone who has read the site for a few years knows he has always been rated by us all. However there are still question marks over what his level is. In the position he plays it means that to lack in one attribute can mean you never make it right to the top. But we hope he equals and betters most of our expectations.

Good post El Paso,

It's never as easy as some people think to bring youngster's through and whilst Lingard looks very talented it will take a lot more for him to have a big impact on our squad given the position he plays in. Hopefully he manages to make that step up but there are no guarantees. I'm still dubious TBH even after his impressive début for the Brummies but I always hope for the best.

I think most on here have always rated jesse, in my opinion he is already a better option for us than some of the established names, he has a quick brain alongside his quick feet and an eye for goal, other players to look out for in the coming seasons are the keane twins, andreas perreira, james wilson in a few more years and demi mitchell could be great in a few more years.there are others but i'd be on here all day.

Perreira looked very good in the euro u19 league.

21 Sep 2013 18:55:57
Just can't understand what some players think before deciding to join a club?

Thiago at Bayern. not going to get lot of game time
Willian at Chelsea. not going to get lot of game time
De Bruyne at Chelsea. not going to get lot of game time

Pretty sure Thiago is injured. and as for the two Chelsea boys, I think it's just a case of Mourinho taking his time in deciding what his best XI is. IMO Willian and De Bruyne won't be in his first choice XI whenever he does get one nailed down.

Thiago has a serious injury and out for a few months. I believe it is an achilles or ankle injury.

21 Sep 2013 18:23:20
Jesse had a first half hat trick for Birmingham today, didn't see the game.

21 Sep 2013 18:10:51
Not United related but considering many people wanted Mourinho as our manager, what on earth is he doing with Chelsea? Apparently, Mata isn't good enough to play and he loans out Lakuka (spelling) when he needs a striker. Signs an aging Eto and puts him into the starting the lineup. If this was any other manager he wouldn't last more than a week. Hopefully he causes more agitation in the squad.

Jose wants things his way or no way. I expect him to get three points tonight, but the "Jose factor" is looking like fantasy at this moment in time. Still time to turn it around though. But the players do not look happy.

I don't get the thinking in letting lukuka go but I think Oscar is being picked over Mata

LOL, Well he has dropped Luiz and willian today too and looks like trying to make a statement about who is the boss. It works fine as long as you are getting results.

I really think they will have a problem with having too many quality midfielders and keeping everyone happy.

In a world cup year, I don't think mata will be too happy playing carling cup games for chelsea.

Mourinho is a very good manager, but he its all about him. He will do what is best for his ego and image. To be fair, he did do very well at Porto, which set him on his way. But since then he has won many more thophies with very strong teams that he has inherited. Then he has come into those teams and been given massive amounts of money to spend. No doubt he is a good manager, but he isn't up there with the very best.

Would love us to move for Mata if we are looking for a left sided player.

Betty, let's be honest Jose is a quality manager, the problem is he is a clown. Sometimes that fact comes back to bite him on the ass. Chelsea will challenge, but I think people like Red Man may have calmed down a little after seeing Chelsea up til now and realised that they will not run away with the league and Jose is not football's answer to god ;)

Fresh, there is ZERO chance of Mata unless it meant Rooney going the other way. Chelsea will not sell to a rival, especially after the Rooney saga.

I always liked Moyes appointment and did not join the ranks on Mourinho.

On that note I like how moyes through his various statements is making it clear who(vidic and rooney contract extensions) is in charge but very different to Mourinho is his approach and how he manages people.

SBR was absolutely right when he said Mourinho is not the type of manager suited for United.

You don't win the league until May but if Chelsea win today are they top of the league?
Judge Mourinho in May

21 Sep 2013 17:15:57
So, a draw in the London derby and a win against City would put us top. Now that would be a good start to the season

Before you all pile in, I clearly got my Londom derbies mixed up. Doh

I would be happy with a draw tomorrow after the start we have had.

I also expect to see Chelsea win today. They are dreadfully boring to watch under Jose so far and look very scrappy at times, Fulham should have gone one up with Bent one on one with Cech. I expect Chelsea to win, but the fans must be worried as they look poor at the moment. I think City will be a big contender and Chelsea will be there or thereabouts, but I think we have a great chance this season whatever the result tomorrow.

Bent just missed a golden chance. Mourinho getting some heat and if they don't get some good results soon and the honeymoon might be over.
I have them winning today and would be shocked if they don't.

I think Mata is going to leave by the looks of things and would love to see him.

There is also news that Witsel is going to be available in January for 30 million Euros.

Those 2 and shaw/baines would be great.

Shahram, SAF had an interest in Witsel, but I think we do not need a midfielder of his type until Carrick retires. We have Jones, Fellaini & Carrick, would have loved to see Thiago arrive but that ship has sailed :(

Sydney

I don't rate Jones for a midfielder as he seems lost for any ideas once he crosses the halfway line and he is a centre back and a very good one once he gets his chance.

Carrick is 34 soon and all top teams seem to have a wealth of talent and options in midfield, we are fine as long as they stay injury free but still short of options and will have issues if one gets Injured.

I think we will end up buying a couple of midfielders next summer and clear out Anderson and Fletchers as his contract is up next summer if I am not mistaken.

21 Sep 2013 17:01:31
Eds and syd

regarding to my post further down the page!

If we did sell shares? are the shares in the form of you don't actually gain anything from buying them so the glazers keep complete control?

Should it be wise to think maybe 2022 will most likely when the debt would be below 100 million obviously depending on what glazers are planning.

if our sponsors and income keep rising each year i'm sure we will always be stable and be able to spend big {Ed002's Note - The shares are the same as any other shares Big V. You have an interest in the asset the shares are associated with - in this case the business and club. You won't be allowed to pick the team.}

21 Sep 2013 16:13:48
Its been a good day so far for current and ex Manchester United youth players, Lingard has a hat trick on his debut and Brady and Morrison have scored for Hull and West Ham respectfully.

Four now for Lingard, and I obviously forgot to mention the two Macheda has for Doncaster.

Macheda & Ajose.

I always thought selling brady was quite odd as buttner has never doe anything for me.

Brady is a winger/left sided midfielder. He cannot defend.

Sydney

Neither can Buttner :) Why pay 3.5 million for a guy that played 3 games when we had a young kid who could do that for us for nothing and the difference between the 2 is not much.

Another thing with Brady is that he is young and now getting his chance to play on a consistent basis, which will help his development.

Speaking off the young lads, read Petrucci had a very good game yesterday, so seems like all the young kids are having good loan spells.

"Neither can Buttner"

LOL, I was going to type the same thing :)

21 Sep 2013 15:59:17
Delighted to see Jesse Lingard bag a hattrick on his Birmingham debut. I think he is a player that we should be looking to include in first team matches soon. It is a strange time to loan him out given that we have the Carling Cup game next week where he could of got some first team time.

He's on 4 now! And Macheda's bagged a couple on his debut as well!

I think we can let Young go next summer with Lingard Zaha and Januzaj coming through.

I'd like to think we could, but I don't think we will take the risk. Young won't be going anywhere.

IMO we need to AT LEAST get rid of Young to make space for these youngsters. That's not slight on Young either but we have far too many players taking up space in these positions and at the end of the day none of them are world class, so they should leave to allow for the development of players like Januzaj and Zaha who could actually go on to be something special.

Couldn't agree more HB.

21 Sep 2013 15:38:33
Wow, Jesse Lingard has scored a hat-trick within his first 32 minutes of his debut! Macheda has also scored for Doncaster!

Four!

Kiko's got two. Should be easier to sell him in January.

21 Sep 2013 15:33:35
Lingard enjoying himself this afternoon, scored twice already!

21 Sep 2013 12:57:29
To the Eds

Man united recently released there profit for the year etc
it also included that our debt had gone down 10% to 389 million I think it was . well around that anyway

Now apparently if we are going to be debt free by 2017 -18 surely we need more than 10% off the debt each year? {Ed002's Note - The debt was mainly in the form of bonds that were repayable in 2017 but Merrill Lynch has provided the funding to redeem the bonds early. The debt will decrease by considerably more over the next two years and at some point further shares will likely be sold to pay the debt down.}

I think if the Glazers want to take dividends which I think they want to do, then it's only fair that they get rid of the debt and debt interest. Of course they are entitled to take dividends as it's their asset, but taking dividends and paying interest will swallow up too much of the club's cash and could limit our transfer spends. {Ed002's Note - They can do what they wish as long as the debt is serviced Syd.}

I know Ed, like I said it's their entitlement. But it would be nice to see that debt diminish before they take dividends.

21 Sep 2013 04:51:14
nobody's picked up on this apparently but Alan Stubb's coming out and saying Baines wanted to join United might interest our fellow everton posters here

Baines was desperate to come. We got up to offering 13 million for him and Everton wanted 18. Things with Fellaini got very nasty in the end as Fellaini pushed the transfer through. Load of rubbish about him giving up his 4 Million though. He gave up 600 grand. United paid 27 million in two stages

21 Sep 2013 00:45:36
I know Rio will play Sunday but his lack of pace is makin him look bad as his will to put his head in like Vida is lacking like the Liverpool goal and Tuesday maybe smalling or Jones would b b better

You can bet that Smalling will play at RB with Rio and Vida and Evra completing the back four. We looked solid for the majority of the Leverkusen game, especially with Carrick and Fellaini sitting in front.