Manchester United Banter Archive June 22 2018

 

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22 Jun 2018 20:35:22
How would Mitrovic be as a backup striker to Lukaku? Also I think if Mata ever leaves we should get Shaqiri.

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22 Jun 2018 20:42:55
No and no. Both bang average.

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22 Jun 2018 20:45:50
No and No, One is a bigger donkey than the next.

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22 Jun 2018 20:47:15
Both mitrovic and shaqiri have been good, really good game .
I actually thought the same about mitrovic after the first half.

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22 Jun 2018 21:03:21
Mitrovic on that performance would be a perfect player for Jose to bring of the bench .
I though shaqiri was excellent there.

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22 Jun 2018 21:10:26
Mitrovic is an absolute nightmare as a person, would fall out with Jose in less than a minute. Shaqiri only puts in an effort when he wants a transfer, wants people to forget how average he has been for Stoke so he can blow it at another big club.

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22 Jun 2018 21:55:04
I think this proves the point from the other day that watching a player in the World Cup should not be how a player is chosen to sign. We all know that these 2 players aren’t good enough for united but both of them looked really good tonight, Mit a real handful especially in the first half. Definitely a no for signing both though.

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22 Jun 2018 22:04:13
It also shows a bit of football snobbery imo .
Same way so many fans are against fellaini even tho the manager likes him .

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22 Jun 2018 22:44:24
No no no no NNNNOOOOOO. Please stop it. Karel Poborsky 😆😆.

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22 Jun 2018 23:01:35
It’s hardly snobbery to suggest that two players who have struggled in the EPL with other sides shouldn’t be targets for a team looking to challenge for the title.

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22 Jun 2018 23:16:05
Danny
Neither are bad players both have been highly rated from a very young age .
I would be very surprised if United signed them but they can both play .
I could see mitrovic having the attributes that Jose likes especially as a second option of the bench .
Shaqiri is a good player better than lingard imo . And I have been one if the few to stick up for lingard.

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22 Jun 2018 23:35:47
Shaqiri is one of the laziest player in the league. He has plenty of talent, but has proven time and time again that he simply isn’t capable of putting in the work necessary to make it as a top player. His career has been a series of missed opportunities, with him being shifted to progressively worse sides. At Stoke, where he was given top billing and should have shone, he showed up for one in every ten games. He’s putting in the effort during the WC because he needs a move, and will revert to type as soon as some club falls for it.

As for him being an option off the bench. That’s what Bayern tried, and he stropped, and completely stopped trying until they gave up and sold him. The lad expects to be first choice but doesn’t want to put in any effort to deserve it.

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22 Jun 2018 23:55:48
Danny
Who mentioned shaqiri as an option of the bench? It was mitrovic who does look a Jose type and comes with a very big rep in his younger years .
Shaqiri is a talented lad still only 26 imo a better player than lingard.
So I think it's snobbery .

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23 Jun 2018 00:46:08
Is this a serious chat?, a player who has been dreadful at Stoke all year even when they were going down couldn’t be bothered to work back and help the team yeh mourinho would love him and a player who Newcastle loaned out to a championship team because he wasn’t good enough for them wow is that what we have become 😩.

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23 Jun 2018 01:08:01
Jred he can hardly get in the Newcastle team. A good championship player more like.

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23 Jun 2018 06:47:01
Shaqiri last 100 attempts on goal for Newcastle.
74 off target
26 on target
3 goals
He waa ok last night i don't think its football snobbery to say he isn't good enough for united. He wasn't good enough for bayern inter or stoke so i think its a fair call to say not good enough for united.
But its definitely football bolloxology to say he is better than jessie when he falls behind jessie in nearly every single stat on record.
But its a game of opinions. Signing players like mit and shaqiri or the like of fellaini blind darmian morgan depay that has seen us make boo title challenge for 5 years. Much more improvement this seazon when those lads hardly had a kick in the league.
Im still counting the days to 30th of june when fellaini contract expires and i dread the possible announcement of a new contract for him. We need to get shut of the average joes in the squad not sign 2 more players that have failed miserably in the epl.

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{Ed001's Note - you have not even mentioned the fact that it was his best game for years because of the extra motivation of facing Serbia. Same as Xhaka. It was not a coincidence that the two of them performed better in that match than they have all season.}

23 Jun 2018 07:24:48
Yes ed i agree. But intl football is not the place to judge players imo.

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{Ed001's Note - totally agree, totally different pace and the style of the game is different. Players are given more time and space on the ball than they get in club football and individuals can make more of a difference as teams are not as tuned into each other as they get playing together every week in club football. That is why any international team that pulls together as a team tends to ridiculously outperform the quality of the players.}

23 Jun 2018 07:52:10
Bang on 001.
Lots of dodgy signings made over the years by lots of clubs based on a players wc performane.
Of course there will be exceptions to the rule but scouting players is not as easy as it seems and due diligence is vital.

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{Ed001's Note - exactly mate. There is far too much money involved to just take a chance. The thing that gave Liverpool and Man Utd sustained success was their recruitment. Both clubs used to do a massive amount of due diligence. Geoff Twentyman, for instance, would get to know a player's family before he would decide whether to recommend buying them for Liverpool. If he didn't like their background, he would not recommend them.}

23 Jun 2018 07:59:18
Jred going WC crazy.

It's amazing how the world cup can do that to people. Have a good tournament and soon enough you're good enough for united. Shaqiri is another player on the long list of players better than lingard yet doesn't come anywhere near his consistency levels or reputation for actually being able to perform at a big club. Shaqiri is a joke.

Mitrovic? Could barely get into a championship team.

Last night was like a derby match due to the fact of the long long history Albania have with Serbia. Swiss players were incredibly fired up.

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23 Jun 2018 08:57:30
A player who struggled at Stoke and got loaned to the old 2nd division is not united quality. Who cares what his reputation was 5 years ago as a youngster. What's his reputation now?

And Shaqiri is the epitome of talent who threw it away from laziness and poor attitude. He couldn't hack it at Bayern so why should we sign him as their the level we're supposedly aiming for.

If we're going to sign players off the back of a hood game at the world cup then there's plenty of others to look at who probably would be a better fit.

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23 Jun 2018 09:32:43
Ken shaqiri never played for Newcastle?

Decent player shaqiri on par with lingard and Mata.
Mitrovic is also coming of a very good season with Fulham 12 goals in 17 .

How much better is dalot than them 2?

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23 Jun 2018 09:36:23
Ken
You can't wait till fellaini leaves?
The fact Jose really wants him tells it's own story about the style and type of player he likes.

No wonder our style of play is what it is maybe it's the manager you should want to leave?

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23 Jun 2018 09:54:09
That's the fastest I've ever seen Shaqiri run last night, you wouldn't see him running that fast the other way.

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23 Jun 2018 10:01:39
Is Jred having a Kanye moment?

Player who was distinctly average for Stoke for the last three seasons.
Jred- better than Mata and Lingard.

Player who Newcastle didn’t think good enough to play in the EPL.
Jred - Jose would love him.

Everyone - you talking nonsense Jred.
Jred - why does everyone hate Fellaini?

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23 Jun 2018 10:26:34
Danny I think Jose and mitrovic would be a good fit same way Jose and fellaini are . Both players have the attributes he likes .
Imo shaqiri is as good as either Mata or lingard.

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23 Jun 2018 10:55:51
Aint good enough Jred. Shaqiris bern at stoke for 3 years nearlly. If he's that goid a top 6 manager might have noticed before a world cup.
Mitrovic is a poor mans Giroud.

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23 Jun 2018 11:39:23
we are supposed to be after willian and shreks donkey is better than him.

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23 Jun 2018 11:45:47
How the mighty have fallen 😞.

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23 Jun 2018 12:26:14
Jred's lost it. Jred your unique i love it! . 😂😂😂.

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23 Jun 2018 15:48:56
I think shaqiri will do a job for us on the right wing. I don't see why all the hate towards him. If he goes to Liverpool or Chelsea, then everyone on here will be saying we should've got him. We need a right winger, he's an excellent winger. Loads of pace and aggression and scores goals. I'm with jred on this.

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23 Jun 2018 16:28:46
AAA shaqiri has an incredibly poor attitude and has been average or worse in the last 5 seasons. Not sure why people believe he'd do a job for us.

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23 Jun 2018 16:44:59
Did i say shaqiri played for Newcastle jred?
Why would i want the manager to leave jred. Just because i don't like fellaini.
Does jose want him? Oh yeah he said he did but his actions speak differently which is not unusal that he say 1 thing publicly and does another.
If he stays he stays but i don't want him to.
Shaqiri as good as mata or lingard? i tbink you are either fishing or you need to take a lye down. 😂😂.

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23 Jun 2018 16:53:04
Aaa
He isn't fashionable enough.

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23 Jun 2018 17:02:10
"Shaqiri last 100 attempts on goal for Newcastle. "Ken
I think you did.

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23 Jun 2018 16:34:42
Shaqiris attitude is poor.

And Fellaini isn't snobbery. Its acknowledgement he's very one dimensional.

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23 Jun 2018 18:38:27
Sorry meant stoke but i'm sure u knew that.

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23 Jun 2018 19:37:24
Ken he scored 8 league goals last season so I've no idea who your stats are about.

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23 Jun 2018 19:38:10
By the way I've never mentioned United buying him just that he played well .

Upsets a few tho.

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23 Jun 2018 19:49:57
In fact he scored 5 in his last 15 games for stoke not bad for a wide player in a struggling team .
8 goals in a poor team Mata has only scored more than 6 once for United in 5 year.

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{Ed001's Note - Shaqiri was not playing wide, he was given a free role and everything went through him. If a pass didn't go to him he would throw a childish strop. It is nonsense to compare him with Mata. They have completely different roles in their respective teams, playing completely different styles.}

24 Jun 2018 05:15:13
Bang on ed.

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24 Jun 2018 20:14:20
Mata at his best is very good, don't ever compare him woth that idiot Shaqiri.

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22 Jun 2018 15:56:25
Picking which is better between Ronaldo and Messi is just like picking which of your bollocks is better.

In the end there is little between them, and you should just be thankful you have both.

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22 Jun 2018 15:59:35
Shappy there is plenty between mine 😉
I think Messi is the more talented more of a team player if Messi plays well the whole team does .
Ronaldo more an individual .
Both great players.

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22 Jun 2018 16:06:56
Speak for yourself Shappy. There is plenty between mine.

:) )

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22 Jun 2018 16:14:19
haha, maybe you mean 'ears' Shaps.

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22 Jun 2018 17:36:39
And Neymar can be the d**k. 😂😂😂.

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22 Jun 2018 17:45:44
Quality Scholes.

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22 Jun 2018 18:26:49
One of mine is bigger than the other😀.

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22 Jun 2018 19:30:20
Neymar, god, don’t get me started, embarrassing player with his falling over.

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22 Jun 2018 19:47:34
Good for nothing only show boating,
Slows down the teams play so he can do a few step overs, not a team player that neymar. falls over himself then.

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22 Jun 2018 23:21:57
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂 people should take a minute to appreciate just how funny that post was.

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22 Jun 2018 12:27:44
Ed002, I know he wasn't on the list of players you said the club was interested in. However, Tanguy Ndombele has been touted as a possible target with Milinkovic-Savic looking unlikely due to Lazio refusing to drop their asking price. Has the club shown any interest in Ndombele? Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any approach for him by MU but there have been from elsewhere.}

22 Jun 2018 14:20:20
Think Ruben Neves would be an excellent shout for that 'additional' midfielder, what do you think Shappy?

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22 Jun 2018 14:57:40
Thanks Ed002.

Scholes, I like Return Neves. He has been excellent for Wolves this season. For that reason I expect him to stay there for at least another season. He can be first choice in the EPL for a side where he is a hero or he can be back up for a side challenging for titles. I expect he will wait until he has proven himself good enough to be first choice for a team challenging for titles.

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22 Jun 2018 11:51:41
10 years of greatness, 2 poor games in the World Cup and everyone is slaughtering Leo, WOW! i'm so sure there wasn't this reaction when he dragged his team through the 2014 WC and CR7 got knocked out in the group stages.

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22 Jun 2018 12:11:22
Scholes fair point . Just the 45 goals Messi this season .
What a striker aguero is tho.

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22 Jun 2018 12:18:27
He also dragged them through the qualifying stage with a hatrick I the last game.
Still the best in the world in my opinion.

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22 Jun 2018 12:24:07
It's a tough debate, which is better Ronaldo or Messi. As such there is always hyperbole around both good and bad performances for either of them.

International football does throw up a different perspective on the debate. Portugal have managed to win their first international honours with Ronaldo in the side. Whereas, an arguably better group of players in Argentina haven't been able to win anything with Messi in the team. Although it must be said they have made it to 3 or 4 finals in that time.
So an argument can be made that Ronaldo has done a better job on the international stage than Messi has currently. I think that is a valid argument, albeit there are so many variables that it becomes hard to fully prove one way or the other.

I find the whole concept of which is better rather strange. I think it could be indicative of the constant need to create division in modern society, forcing people to choose one camp or the other which no middle ground. We have seen it on this site in the form or Jose in or Jose out. With no middle ground.

In reality the middle of the scales is always the most balanced. But that isn't an acceptable stance in modern society you have to pick either side in its most extreme form.

I try and stay as balanced as I can. With the Messi and Ronaldo debate?

Who is better? I say does it matter? We are being treated to see two of the best ever players grace the game at the same time. Invariably you'll probably find neither would have reached the heights they have if the other didn't exist pushing them on.

Ronaldo is a special player, blessed with genetics that give him the ideal frame and build for a professional athlete. Combined with his determination and drive to succeed he has made the maximum of his talents and is a role model to all aspiring footballers.

Messi is blessed with the kind of natural poise and talent that very few have. He also has phenomenal drive and determination to overcome the limitations of his genetics to become the player he is. He is capable of things only the greatest can muster. Moments of pure brilliance.

Who's the best really does come down to who you prefer and nothing more. You can justify it however you want, but at the end of the day it is just one personal opinion of over 7 billion personal opinions no more valid than the rest.

Argentina are likely to exit the world cup early this year, and rather than revel in their failure IL be a little sad that we will be denied any chance of seeing those moments of magic from Messi in what will likely be his last world cup, or at least his last world cup where he can be the main man rather than a bit part player.

I know England are unlikely to win the tournament so all I want is to be entertained, a world cup without Messi will probably be a less entertaining world cup. So in my opinion we all lose if that happens.

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22 Jun 2018 12:24:43
Not sure how you can say he's the best in the world when he's literally miles behind Ronaldo in terms of personal accolades now.

Ronaldo might not be the all-around 'better player' but he's the single most influential player this sport has ever seen and that can't be disputed.

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22 Jun 2018 12:35:23
Well said Moon. A world cup without Messi will be less entertaining lolll. I have been more entertained by russia then i have by watching Messi. He really sulks when he plays for argentina, he is one of thos players that will blame his team matrs rsther thrn taking responsibility and doing it on the big stage.

Ronaldo relishes responsibility where as Messi gets under pressure.

In all honesty Argentina is a team full of superstars like the England team when we had Beckham, Rooney, Scholes, Neville, Gerrard, Lampard and Ferdinand but we couldn't win a tournament because everyone used to play in different teams and each wanted to be a star in the team.

Where as teams like Croatia, Portugal, Spain, Germany play as a team althought Germany have been pretty whack this year but i believe they will come good.

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22 Jun 2018 12:40:28
Its obvs Ronaldo, when Messi does it in the Prem and wins something at international level then we can have a discussion, not even a debate anymore.

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22 Jun 2018 12:44:08
He's never hot the same heights country as he has for club. Maybe the effect of xavi and iniesta has been underestimated. He didn't exactly drag them to the final in 2014 either. His performances waned as the tournament went on.

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22 Jun 2018 12:44:40
Miles behind Ronaldo in terms of personal accolades Moon? They've got a similar amount of individual trophies and Messi has more team trophies aswell (bearing in mind Leo is 2 years younger) . On Ronaldo being the 'most' influential player this sport has ever seen, didn't Maradona win Argentina 2 WC's pretty much all on his own? Not to mention what he did for Napoli.

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22 Jun 2018 13:00:42
There's a toss of a coin between them but right now it has to be Ronaldo.

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22 Jun 2018 13:15:46
Argentina are not a team full of superstars, Singh. Aguero and Messi are the only 2 in last night's starting XI, imo.

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22 Jun 2018 13:22:10
The irony of Singh saying Messi sulks but completely ignores what Ronaldo does when his team-mates don't pass him the ball, i. e. saying i'm possibly leaving Madrid when Bale scored the 2 goals against Liverpool.

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22 Jun 2018 13:31:41
So Messi has to do it in the Prem WRD? let's discredit Iniesta and say Fabregas is better as he did it in both La Liga and Premier League?

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22 Jun 2018 13:58:26
Also Singh, Argentina have attacking 'superstars', not a team of superstars like you say. The rest of the defence is incredibly average.

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22 Jun 2018 14:00:49
If your comparing them then yes you have too, as stated stats and trophies similar so where do you differentiate, Messi has never done it in another league like Ronaldo and has never done it on the international stage like Ronaldo so therefore there is only one winner.

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22 Jun 2018 14:05:14
He takes responsibility and performs where as Messi flops. that's the big difference, sulking is in human nature but some come out on top and some just and continue to sulk to make people feel sorry fr them.

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22 Jun 2018 14:12:31
Agree Scholes. Many of us would say that Paul Scholes was one of the if not the best midfielder in the last 20 years but only played in England. Similarly Paolo Maldini is probably the best defender of all time but never left Italy or played outside of the Milan team. I don't think Messi needs to play in England, Germany, Italy etc. he is undoubtedly one of the greatest of all time.

I get the argument that he's succeeded with Iniesta, Xavi and others alongside him, but Ronaldo has hardly played with poor players. Both are phenomenal and raised the bar in terms of consistency and ability to determine matches season after season.

The only question I ever have with Messi was how much his ability etc. was a result of the growth hormones he had as a child. I'm not a medical expert but there are some suggestions around whether he'd be anywhere near the same player without them. Ronaldo is simply down to his hard work and desire to be the best.

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22 Jun 2018 14:14:14
The thing with trolling is when you throw the stone you must not except rose in return.
Ronaldo's Portugal aren't favorites all this time but Messi's Argentina is. That's why Messi's international records are played down.
Messi doesn't have fighting spirit of Ronaldo. You can say it easily. For all the talent he doesn't have the heart. You can tell from his body language. As a captain he needs to marshal his troops instead it's his shoulders are down first in the team.
Both are different players. Each have different qualities in which they are the best. So enjoy yourself till they play.

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22 Jun 2018 14:14:53
Yes, not like Ronaldo sulked in the last WC is it?

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22 Jun 2018 14:15:52
One takes responsibility and the other flops, did u say that in 2014 aswell?

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22 Jun 2018 14:17:44
With that logic Kroos is better than Iniesta and Xavi WRD?

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22 Jun 2018 14:25:40
Lubo Moravcik was better than both of them.

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22 Jun 2018 15:30:50
The Prem and La Liga are the best leagues in this world and one has done it in both leagues the other hasn’t plus one has done it internationally the other handy so to me it’s a no brainier, we are comparing Ronaldo v Messi so I’ve given my reasoning for why as they have both won lots etc, Messi is undoubtedly great but in comparison he falls short for me out of the two.
Ronaldo drags his country thru where Messi Just does not, can you say Messi would leave and have the impact Ronnie had elsewhere, he’s not done it to compare so one Jas’s the edge, in the case of Ron v Leo there is one clear winner.

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22 Jun 2018 15:31:26
Singh
I really don't know why you would make such a statement it's ridiculous. Messi like Ronaldo record speaks for its self.

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22 Jun 2018 15:56:28
Messi 9 league titles
Ron 5 league titles (only 2 at Madrid)
Messi 4 CL
Ronaldo 5 CL
Messi 5 ballon d'oh
Ronald 5 as well.
Messi 552 goals 637 games for club
Ron 573 goals in 763
Messi 80 goals in a 149 for country
Ron 85 in 152 for country
Not much in it really.

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22 Jun 2018 16:37:12
Ronaldo all the way. Much better human being.

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22 Jun 2018 16:38:33
Think someone has a man crush, or shall I say fetish?

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22 Jun 2018 16:41:44
Jred u forgot Cr7's euro title, that is a big tilt.

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22 Jun 2018 18:23:35
its only like messi copa america title mbd.

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22 Jun 2018 19:28:57
Mdb
I never, Messi obviously never played in the euros so I left it out .
Same as Messi Olympic gold or copa finals .

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22 Jun 2018 09:47:57
Hi, Ed002, you told us last summer about utd being interested on Willian (Chelsea player) . Is he still an option for this summer?, since there is constant rumours linking him with Utd.

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{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

22 Jun 2018 10:11:05
Thanks Ed002.

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22 Jun 2018 15:35:17
Moon
Is he really miles behind Ronald in personal accolades.
Must be fishing.

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22 Jun 2018 09:36:19
Wanted to see what people opinions were on Dembele of spurs.
One of my favorite players from opposition teams past few years. Thought Utd should have tried sign him when he left Fulham.
Available according to reports and would be an upgrade on current midfield options. Still only 30/ 31 so couple years left.
Thoughts?

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22 Jun 2018 09:56:05
I think his play has been getting worse in r3cent years. He isn't the same player he was few years ago.

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22 Jun 2018 09:59:13
I'd do it Tonebags.

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22 Jun 2018 10:05:02
Always rated Dembele. I go to quite a few Fulham games and when he left I said he woukd have been perfect in our midfield.
Now i'm not sure he is what we need now. Fred, Pogba and Matic I asume will be first choice. Herrera and Mctominay will get games too. I woukdnt say Dembele is better than Herrera tbh. Herrera is more mobile whike Dembele is more physical. Both good players on the ball and Herrera never shirks a tackle.
Plus Dembele is already touting himself to China and U. S apparentley. Wants one more big pay day.

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22 Jun 2018 12:34:41
Fantastic player, great in so many aspects of midfield play. However, his injuries are catching up with him now and he is on the decline. I think he would be better off heading to a less physical league. Seire A or La Liga maybe. But sadly I feel his time of being able to boss midfields every week in the EPL is coming to a close.

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{Ed004's Note - I have to agree with Snappy here. Injuries are taking their toll on him and I'd rather recruit a youngster with a lot of potential. Realistically our midfield 3 will be Matic, Pogba and Fred with Herrera as experienced cover for all positions and McTominay cover as well. A Barella or Ndombele would be perfect for next season. If Jose rates him high enough then Perreira could assume this role}

22 Jun 2018 16:36:25
I don't really see the point on going for players on the downward slope. We missed the boat when he would have been a good signing.

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Review Of The Day 22nd June 2018

22 Jun 2018 06:14:06
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 22nd June 2018

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