Manchester United Banter Archive March 22 2014

 

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22 Mar 2014 22:38:21
Happy with that, we played some quality football, Kagawa and Mata looked good and so much more fluid compared to when they're asked to play on the wings.

We did okay defensively, I was dreading it seeing Carrick/Jones at CB but fairplay. Good 3 pts, Rooney's first was incredible!

But, City will give us a drubbing.

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Yes, agree with all of that. City will beat us. But if it was a choice of City, Chelsea and Liverpool winning the league, I'd prefer City and if they get three points against us then so be it. The lesser of three evils. For me this season is a right-off, I wouldn't ever want City to win anything, but if we aren't challenging then they are the lesser evil. Just my opinion mind.

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Write-off sorry, i'm drunk.

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{Ed007's Note - You do know that your spelling mistake is going to get cast up to your for months now mate - especially by the Merseyside branch of your fan club! #SydneyFamily}

Syd,

for me, Chelsea are the lesser evil just because I respect the sheesh out of Mourinho. I'd rather he get the glory than our city rivals or the Scousers. But, saying that, I like Pellegrini and wouldn't begrudge him winning it.

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I would rather have 25 years of Aguero getting last minute league winners, than the scousers winning the league under any circumstances whatsoever.

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Well said, GAGUS.

Still hoping Arsenal will pip them all :)

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Ed Syd was posting pathetic and clueless comments on the LFC page every day for over a year but funnily enough not been on for about 5 months so its not surprising some come over to remind him of his stupid comments. If he could take the banter he would of been on the the site and LFC fans wouldn't of had to post about it on here

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{Ed007's Note - The fact you know all that is pretty creepy, did you mark it off in your diary? I will assume the irony of using the word 'pathetic' is lost on you.}

I would rather non of them win it, but if I had to pick, b I think Chelsea will be the pick.
I would never want to see the scousers win it and City are City, I never want them to win anything either.
I hope we can dent their title hopes on Tuesday.

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Gaz31, to be fair I used to post on the Liverpool page when Liverpool fans like Blair and others would come on here several times a day and I would follow them. That doesn't really happen anymore for whatever reason. Believe it or not I can take it as much as I can give it Gaz, so if you ever want to pop over here for some banter, I am always here. Liverpool are having a great season as opposed to us and even though I do not like it, I will still enjoy the ride. When we are back where we belong us MU fans will look back and have a giggle. You cannot win everything for ever, I don't have to tell you that.

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Lol ed you want to look at your own 2 comments before suggesting mine is pathetic.how is it creepy that I read the LFC site daily and remember him posting. Its the same as if Marcellus posted one of his stupid comments on here daily for a year then suddenly not. Non of you would forget he was posting everyday. One thing I will give Syd is Blair was just as bad

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{Ed007's Note - This is your second ever post, both have been about Syd. You yourself have said he hasn't been on the LFC page for 5 months, so you have waited a whole 5 months just to come on and post for the first time, and specifically about him- that's creepy!
And at least Blair tried to be funny.}

I agree with Syd and Gagus. Would rather see us lose 10-0 to city than help the scouters LOL.

I would rather see city win because god help us if mourinho's chelsea wins. It will do the man some good to go trough a few years of disappointments as it builds character.

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In order of preference who to win the title mine would be Everton, Swansea, West Brom or Southampton but in reality it would be Arsenal, Chelsea, City and last the Scousers. If the Scouse win it I could cope with their fans but the press would be unbearably sycophantic.
If Chelsea won it I would have a wry smile because I believe Mourinho will win far more than Moyes over the same period

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Red Man
If Mourinho wins you will smile because you believe he will win more than Moyes!
What?!

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Red Man, you and one or two other's love for Jose is borderlining obsession :)

If Chelsea win the league then they will be very hard to beat in the future.

We will not have Ronaldo to bail us out this time. City winning it is better for us.

Arsenal have no chance, I never believed they were genuine title contenders.

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Will

If we can't win then I would prefer Arsenal, then Chelsea of the present top four.
Perhaps I didn't write that right, I would smirk, not for long, because whilst we obviously didn't go for Mourinho last summer I believed at the time we should have done and if Chelsea win the league he would show what we missed out on, it would flag our appointment decision. Irony basically. Over time I believe Mourinho will win more than Moyes because Jose is a top manager who is brilliant tactically, I won't smile about him keep winning but likely feel more frustrated with our own club for the choice made.

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Anyone who wants city to win the title obviously doesn't have bluenoses for neighbours or employ them at work.also it grows there standing in the pecking order and makes them that bit more attractive to glory hunters support and grows there brand.beware what you wish for

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John, very true, I guess I may have a different opinion had I still lived up near you. But my brother in law is a Chelsea fan and I have numerous Liverpool fans as mates so City is the lesser of three evils for me.

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22 Mar 2014 19:44:19
Spot the intruder:

JM: 53 passes, 94% passing accuracy, 5 KP, 2 accurate crosses, 50 % crossing accuracy.
SK: 56 passes, 91% passing accuracy, 4 KP, 2 accurate crosses, 66% crossing accuracy
AY: 37 passes, 80% passing accuracy, 2 KP, 2 accurate crosses, 205 crossing accuracy.

I think that today, we just found our optimum formation. Not the perfect players, but the perfect formation. We had a mobile striker, 2 brilliant technical attacking midfielders, a wide winger that gets released down the wings by those 2 attacking midfielders.

I think we should play the same way against city. High pressing, counter attacking formation. I'd rather keep Mata and Kagawa, allow them to interchange and drop back and keep possession, creating play just like they did tonight, and have Januzaj offering width down both wings, targeting the weaker fullback. Against city, he'd be mostly on the right, occasionally popping up on the left, to keep them guessing.

Rooney offers a good first line of defense, really pleased with his contribution tonight. He worried the defenders, and even dropped back at times to release Mata/Kagawa.

Carrick proved how much we miss Evans. A capable passer in the defense is very important for the team.

One last point. Fellaini. I think he performed quite well.
I don't mind his constant fouling, it breaks up the opposing team's attacks but he should try not to do it in our own half though. Statistically speaking, he was the best midfielder on the field. he made more interceptions, tackles, dribbles and clearances than anyone else in our team ( 3, 4, 3, 13 ). He effectively joined attacks and provided the needed physicality to complement the technicality of Mata and Kagawa.

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Some of the football in the first half was brilliant, kagawa and mata together behind rooney is quite a beautiful spectical on todays showing, ashley young just not good enough for Manchester United though, not now and not ever.

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Well at least Young had 205% crossing accuracy.

But yeah, he was a weak point in our attack. Mata and Kagawa look like they can play well together, but they need another player who can offer more than running the line and hitting hopeful balls into the box. But a good performance overall.

I doubt we'll see Kagawa against City. I suspect that it will be Valencia on the right, Welbeck on the left and Mata behind Rooney in a much more rigid formation.

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I thought Kagawa and Mata were fantastic; a real pleasure to watch.

That has to be the best performance of the season for me. The quality of football today, was top notch.

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When Rooney plays that role I think he brings more people into the game. I honestly think when Rooney plays well the whole team does

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The big question is what do we do when RVP and Rooney are both healthy? How do the pieces fit to complete the puzzle? Imagine how good we could be with this formation if you add a good LB and better RW.?

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{Ed004's Note - What I think Moyes is trying to do is he will try to partner Rooney, RVP, Mata and Kagawa all playing narrowly and being able to roam around with two attacking full backs like Shaw and Coleman. The midfielders Fellaini and a new signing will cover the full backs and we will play a higher line with a cb signed to play with Jones or Smalling. I don't know if that would be better than selling one of Rooney or RVP and signing a winger. You have two 20+ goals a season strikers there}

Imagine Van Persie up top and Rooney, Kagawa & Mata behind? That would have been okay in today's game, but against a better team I think we need one winger with pace.

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{Ed004's Note - What if speed came from the wing backs?}

Yes that could work 004. That would also allow us to use Mata and Adnan/Kagawa more centrally with Rooney. We need to go out and pay what it takes to get Shaw.

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{Ed004's Note - There are other alternatives. Moreno, Coentrao and Rodriguez all offer a lot going forward}

004, there are always alternatives, but signing Shaw would be a huge statement as he is and will be very highly sought after.

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Sign 2 beasts to play in the middle, sign 2 attacking full backs, luke shaw ideally because this kids got the lot and I think I heard somewhere that dani alvez was available but not sure how true it is, have them 2 bombing forward giving the width allowing mata and kagawa to roam infield and we might just have some sexy football on our hands next year.

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Kagawa and Mata were always going to play well together, both very technical and fluid passing style about them.

Fellaini is getting better each game, now the spotlight isn't on him so much, and after his wrist surgery hopefully he can keep improving.

I think Buttner deserves a mention as he rarely gets a chance in the team, when he came in yesterday he didn't look out of place, defended well and passed adequately. I honestly think he should play ahead of Evra now, he's got as much skill if not more, just needs game time to get into the swing of things.

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Buttner Jones Smalling Fellani Mata Kagawa all have to play in the same team if they are to progress together and on Carvalho he a technically better Wanyama from what I can see

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22 Mar 2014 19:21:42
It was a bit of an ordinary mid table clash brightened by Rooneys first goal. The absence of RVP meant Mata and Kagawa played and played more centrally, they also combined reasonably well without being outstanding. First half we broke with more pace and purpose yet second half dropped the pace. Interesting when West Ham got the ball ready to cross Fellaini dropped in to help Carrick and it seemed to blunt the usual Carroll onslaught. A couple of pats on the back to Carrick and Fletcher who remained assured. We looked more fluid than other games but were under little pressure, in fact West Ham played with no pace whatsoever in their game. If I was a West Ham fan watching that every week I would be even more bored than we have been, yet it seemed their usual level of motivation to beat us wasn't there, perhaps because of our frankly abysmal season, they almost like to stop us winning something.
It seemed a mid table game with little on it and Tuesday may be a little different.

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Nothing like being condescending and diminishing the fact that we went away and won at a difficult ground with a makeshift team quite comfortably. Great tactics and great result.

You have to wait till tuesday I guess and hope we lose so that we you can spend the next 4 days thereafter talking about moyes out yawn yawn.

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I cannot believe how poor West Ham United are.

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I think some credit needs to be given to the level of performance today, when compared with the majority of performances this season. We were excellent IMO, and could have won that game by a landslide.

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Sam, I was happy with the MU performance, but I couldn't help feel sorry for West Ham United fans. I thought they offered nothing offensively. I expected them to be better and they were. Their midfield was non-existent. If we had Ronaldo instead of Young, we would have scored sh!t loads.

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I thought we broke with speed and purpose. But the performance was good but not brilliant.
It was efficient and we beat west ham, but let's face it, they are a poor team.

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GCU

It wasn't "great tactics", RVP being unavailable forced the managers hand because even you must acknowledge that if RVP had been fit he would have played alongside Rooney. The shape of the team changed slightly because of it and actually I agreed with the team, bar Young, as we need to have more fluidity.
The key for me was that West Ham play at a slow pace and hope to use Carroll to cause problems. We have played cautious slow football under Moyes for the vast majority of time and yesterday found a team that played as slowly as us and as we have better footballers we had time to play.

In terms of Tuesday, the result of one game will not change my opinion of Moyes plus I didn't mention him in the OP which was an honest opinion of the game.

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Red Man

LOL, So when we win it is the players and poor opposition and when we lose it is DM. Am I getting that right?

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GCU

If you want to proclaim greatness after a win away at struggling slow West Ham then that is your opinion.
We are in seventh and the manager is accountable for that win, lose or draw.

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Oh GCU

Of the teams in the top half of the table, United have beaten just two, Arsenal and Aston Villa. They have lost to Chelsea, Liverpool (twice), City, Everton, Tottenham and Newcastle.

In 11 years at Everton, Moyes never won at United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea, so in the big games, the really big games, his record is poor. Therefore I wouldn't glory him up based on yesterday's game, he needs to do a lot more this season, beat City and away at Newcastle and Everton might start to show some ability, but beating the big teams as I said above was something he never showed he could do much at Everton.

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Who said anything about glory him, it is about having a balance view.

If you are going to sh. t on him for every bad result, then you should also give him credit for the good ones. You can't say when I win I reward no one or recognise no one and when I lose I blame everyone, Life does not work that way.

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GCU
You said it was quote "great tactics"

My OP was an assessment of the game and didn't mention him. We won a game we were expected to against a team that played very poorly

When he wins a big game due to his team selection and "great tactics" I will give him credit. I already have given him credit at times but frankly he hasn't done much has he.

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22 Mar 2014 19:01:25
Good performance so far from us, were looking a lot more solid. rooney is said to best as a no. 10 role but he offers so much more as an out and out striker and seems to play better, especially with the creativity from kags and mata who have worked really well together and I hope moyes sees this. it seems hopefuly that kags is starting to get some time before bayern which I really hope he starts. fellaini and mata have been the most impressive for me. really happy. ggmu

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22 Mar 2014 18:48:03
Is this Manchester United I am watching. Are you sure, the football is watchable, there is pace and movement. it is Utd. Just a shame it has taken until mid/ the end of March to do it.

If we could only have started doing this in January, how diffrent our league position could have been.

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22 Mar 2014 18:42:51
I think I've forgiven Rooney after that.

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22 Mar 2014 18:06:34
I respect every team's right to play to their strengths, but my goodness, West Ham are a poor team to watch.

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They are going t bombard us with hight balls in the last 15 minutes. C'mon boys score 2 more and we can get rooney and mata rested for city.

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22 Mar 2014 17:38:00
You beauty, he's FINALLY got his lob.

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What a goal. I have to say Young and Buttner are so limited as players.

Not sure what on earth Fergie saw in these guys to buy them.

C'mon boys score a few more, DDg has had 20 back passes in the first 30 minutes. Rafael on a yellow :(

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Odd half of football. That is the best we have looked passing and countering all year with a makeshift line up. Rooney could have had a hatrick. The second one was a bit of luck but still good to see.

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22 Mar 2014 18:29:43
Yep, going to win the league now ;)

In All seriousness, please please beat man sh***y

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22 Mar 2014 17:04:28
Going to see Kagawa and Mata in the same team today.

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22 Mar 2014 17:03:46
Rooney up top, good call imo

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Yeah, I think I would probably choose that too, especially after Welbeck running his socks' off midweek. Looking forward to seeing the trio link up.

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3:0 makes my bank account look very good

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Did you go for Rooney first goalscorer?

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Really, you picked that scoreline again. We should have 3 but for a final ball.

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Yer had Rooney as well @45s, thought we might of pinched a third but not ti be

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Jred

I think Fellaini should have been awarded a penalty.

I am due to make a very large return if Spurs/Southampton tomm is a scored draw :).

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Jred, you were unlucky, could easily have been 3.0.

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Win some u lose some syd.
Gcu I think there will definitely be goals so good luck

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Jred, I am struggling this season. I had a good win on the opening day and have struggled since. I always win more than I lose (money wise), this season I am off the pace. Then again so was my Liverpool prediction ;)

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I've done ok on the football the European nights keep me in the black

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What was your Liverpool prediction again, Syd?

I've never seen it mentioned since you made it.

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{Ed007's Note - He wrote right-off instead of write-off earlier, that's comedy gold to LFC fans right there, I doubt he'll ever live this one down. I'm surprised it's not all over their site already.}

007, to be fair I doubt 99% of Liverpool fans even knew it was misspelled. How's that for a stereotype ;)

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22 Mar 2014 16:24:49
This Liverpool team is quite capable of taking on the likes of Bayern. Their attack is devastating . And OGS took over at Cardiff at just the wrong time

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Liverpool are playing with no fear, that is a major plus point of being an underdog. However, next season they will be under a lot more pressure as people will expect more from them. They will also have to juggle Europe and domestic so it will be tougher again. I think Chelsea and City will improve a lot next season, probably Liverpool's best chance to win a title will be this season.

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They concede too many goals and good teams will shut them down offensively and score against them.

I expect Chelsea and City to take points off them on upcoming fixtures and theta will be the end dog the scouter dream.

Sounes is a person and I hate having to listen to one person after another, week in week out on Bein Sports.

Interesting line up today, talk about scrapping the bottom of the barrel for cb, I think we are in trouble.

I think first time for rooney, mata and kagawa together, let's see what these boys are capable of.

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"theta will be the end dog the scouter dream."

lol, That will be the end of the scouser dream was what I meant to say.

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I couldn't agree more Sydney next season liverpool will be under a lot more pressure and this season with 1 game a week they can keep the same team but next season with being in Europe and have to play 3 games a week they will have to rotate but with players like aspas they need to improve there options so if we get Europe league I hope we just play kids and are squad players in the early rounds

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22 Mar 2014 14:52:27
Ed, I've heard recently that hamish could well be on his way to the premiership this summer. Do you have any info?

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{Ed002's Note - Sorry.}

Sorry meant Hamsik Ed, bloody phone.

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{Ed002's Note - If Hamsik were to move then the EPL might well be an option. But for now that does not look like the case.}

ED/Supa do you think we need him?

As far as I know he plays as an Attacking mid and we already have Mata, Rooney, Januzaj and Powell who can play in that position(assuming Kags will leave)

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{Ed002's Note - Manchester United has not shown any interest in him.}

22 Mar 2014 13:58:20
Just watched the second goal against Olympiakos again.

Did anyone notice when RVP ran to jump into Rooney's arms, obviously expecting to be lifted up, Rooney jumped up as well, rather than stooping to lift RVP, leading to a rather awkward, split-second of bumping bellies.

These two are clearly not on the same wavelength, and is symptomatic of their lack of understanding on the pitch. Obviously.

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RVP gets bumped by Rooney's belly and suddenly he's out for 6 weeks.

Coincidence?

I think not. He's lucky to be alive.

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22 Mar 2014 14:59:50
Is this a joke? So your making assumptions based on the way they celebrated a goal? Get out more mate. go for a beer or seomthing

Stuey

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Stuey,

It's not a joke mate Stevie is right, why would it be a joke when people on here don't understand one anyway ;)

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Post of the month Stuey. I agree this Stevie lad is crazy. I heard he chases pigeons and is the founder of the "Wayne Rooney is bigger than Manchester United" fan club

Deeps.

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Stuey

It's no joke. There were several times when I saw RVP looking at Rooney in a funny sort of way. This proves they hate each other.

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Ah, Stuey. There's always one, mate. If it's any consolation, you're in good company on here :)

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22 Mar 2014 13:41:15
ED Cleverley and Henderson were almost about the same level at the end of 2011-12. But in the 3 season since then Henderson has gone on to make 90+ appearances for Liv whereas Cleverley has barely made 45.

This is when we are short of players in midfield. What do you think went wrong with Cleverley? I mean if Henderson can show so much improvement(consistency yet to be judged) then why hasn't Cleverley been able to make his mark?

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Cleverley hasn't progressed the way the club have expected and he has had a fair chance to be fair. He has been hampered with injury, but for me last season and this season he needed to step it up a level and he is yet to do it. Most of the team have struggled this season so perhaps we may see him play better when MU finally start to play better, but for me he has had a great opportunity to make the midfield his, and he hasn't.

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@Mumbai Boy

Henderson has pace, power and strength and is strong in the tackle. All qualities which Cleverley lacks.

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In my opinion its due to a few different things, Cleverly is not the kind of player who will make bone-crunching tackles or dribble pass 3 or 4 players or even Hollywood passes, Cleverly is the kind of player who keeps possession moving and seeks to make space or better passing opportunities for others.

Henderson is a more versatile player and was always going to be better than Cleverly, simply due to the fact he can pick a pass or win the ball back. For Liverpool Henderson has been used in a few different positions and has played well in almost all of them, this to attributes to his number of appearances.

But Overall Henderson always had more potential than Cleverly.

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Cleverly was better. At the moment henderson is confident, playing for a team on form and to be fair Rodgers is getting the very best out of him. I still don't believe he is a better player than Cleverly although after recent performances it is difficult to argue that.

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I think its to do with pressure, talent wise I think cleverley had just as mucb talent as Henderson, but one has less pressure on him (Henderson ) then the other. Liverpool at the time were low down in the premier league table and hendersons had the freedom to express himself. Where as when cleverley came to the scene he was rated highly by ferguson and was labeled the next big midfielder, cleverley has also had a long injury at the time of his natural progression because when you are young you learn majority of your football.
my personal opinion is expectations from both were high but one handled the pressure well and has been played in his natural position (henderson) and the other been unlucky with injury at the time where he needed to be on the football pitch not hospital and you never know rodgers probably given a lot of confidence to henderson to perform where as moyes probably doesn't beleieve in him as much as fergie used to.

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Giggs proved that you don't exactly need pace to play in that position.

The best part of Giggs' performance was that each and every pass that he was trying to make was forward.

Cleverley doesn't have that attitude. He's a safe passer.

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Mumbai
Cleverly simply isn't that good I'm not saying he is a bad player but he is average. He has been lucky to get as many games as he has for team like United but says a lot about our cm.
Henderson is a decent player took time to settle at liverpool but looked a good player at Sunderland imo

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22 Mar 2014 12:56:52
Another shaky start from the Arsenal defence. Similar to the Liverpool game at Anfield. They need the next goal or it could be a similar scoreline.

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It was going wide anyway, but a certain red card and penalty for me.

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Ref : "Gibbs, you are off"

Ox : "But ref it was me"

Ref : "Shut up Walcott, get on with the game."

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Very good MB, very good my friend.

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SYD, Eng vs NZ T20 on ;)

(We beat arch rivals PAK yesterday :) )

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Kieran Gibbs has just been found guilty in the Oscar Pistorius trial

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I think they are also saying he is responsible for the missing plane plus the Russian invasion of crimea

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22 Mar 2014 11:19:59
Disney - my intention was not to knock the lad.
He is injury prone (as was Jamie Redknapp) it
happens. My point is don't buy an injury prone
player and then be surprised when he misses a
lot of the season. Not too many go 2 seasons
without any injury but I am not talking here of
missing 2 or 3 games - I am talking RvP which
means missing 10/12 games a season.
Whether he puts country before club as Shano
states I will let others decide as I'm not too
fussed

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I didn't say you were knocking the lad, I merely said you cannot blame his latest injury on him being "injury prone" as it was caused by another player and it could have happened to anyone.

In his early years, from like 22-27, he was always suffering with muscle injuries, as did Giggs. But it seems those days are behind them both as they manage their bodies well.

In three seasons he has had one or two niggling injuries. That is pretty good going.

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Disney- no wish to go around in circles here but injuries caused by opposing players can still be covered by the injury-prone tag.
Most players get kicks in matches.
For strikers make that ALL players.
But some strikers (witness Suarez)
seem to shrug knocks off whereas
injury-prone players do not.

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You can't shrug off a sprained knee.

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Like Gagus just said, a sprained knee is a sprained knee. If Suarez got a sprained knee, then he would be out for up to 6 weeks.

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Oh dear - the whole point of my posts has been about RvP's overall
fitness (or lack of) record. Look back at the 10+ years he has been over here and he must have had a hell of a lot of sprained knees

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A sprained knee isn't always a sprained knee, if your knee and rest of you is made of glass! If RVP worked in an office I guarantee he would have the most sickies with cold and flu over Xmas time, he is just feeble.

Great player, but just feeble.

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22 Mar 2014 00:22:57
With us being linked to Shaqiri and the manager being linked to the other two outstanding Swiss young players when he was at Everton those players being Granit Xhaka and Ricardo Rodriguez. None of these players will be at the world cup maybe for there hols but that's it lol, two need to move to bigger and better and Shaqiri is not getting enough game time at present Ed 02 says Bayern are looking to of load him let's hope so as he would be perfect for our team as would the others it would be a very wise move by Moyes if he could pull off a triple swoop, there realistic transfer targets unlike Cesc was, all three are young which fits the rebuild they all play in postions were we need to strengthen all be it a centre half although I bet Granit can play there if needed, there all from the same country Switzerland which should help them settle and all play with a togetherness on the left hand side which they all play. I think Moyes could well have been watching these players as he has before I hope so because for me it makes so much sense

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21 Mar 2014 20:35:57
dose anybody know if there is any truth in reus giving barca a ultimatum about signing him in the summer as he says it is his preferred destination or is it just paper talk thanks

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{Ed002's Note - And how would he do this? It is nonsense.}

22 Mar 2014 07:19:55
Just thought of something that might interest people. If the whole squad was cleared out, but you could pick 3 players to keep (excluding those on loan from this by the way), who would you pick for your new look united?personally, I'd pick januzaj, mata and de gea. However jones was up there!

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De gea
Rafael
Mata

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De gea, mata, kagawa.I feel with the right players around him kagawa would be excellent

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If Klopp was manager Kagawa would have been played a lot more, and be going nowhere.
Mine
De Gea
Kagawa
Mata

Moyes'
Rooney
Fellani
Mata

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{Ed002's Note - Klopp was never going to be manager. This is just nonsense.}