Manchester United Banter Archive October 22 2012

22 Oct 2012 22:53:15
Ferguson has said when asked about James Rodriguez,
"I hope not because it costs a fortune getting a player from Portugal".

My guess they'll want 25-30mil for him.

My guess is only PSG and russian clubs would be willing to pay that kind of money.

Shahram

During the summer the club bid for both Witsel and Rodriguez without any luck. I think the manager is referring to this and perhaps Gaitan.

Sydney!

22 Oct 2012 21:52:47
I hope Wooton gets a start. I feel like we should be pushing him more starts this season. Right now I feel we're way too weak and maybe he'll be surprise us. He's impressed me when I do see him play.

22 Oct 2012 20:36:15
I think the main reason why saf has been developing diamond style of play is the fact that guardiola will replace him at hte end of the season,so the players are ready to play like-barcelona style of play under guardiola's command

Or. - if you read the piece in the Times this Sunday - he thinks that tactics are evolving Nd that their is less need for wingers.
Very interesting piece well worth reading - was covering the latest reports from the Uefa technical team.

Mike

22 Oct 2012 20:24:08
part exchange offer of Vidic and cash for Busquets? Exactly what we are missing IMO.

Dan {Ed004's Note - No.}

Don't want a ballerina in the squad let alone the league, he is a wasted talent.

-JakeW

Oh My Goodness... NO!

No no no, wouldn't want that fairy anywhere near our club.

Sydney!

Yeah.. i hate this guy Busquets
But truth be told, he is one hell of a player... sometimes when you watch him, you get a feeling that he is better than xavi
Not that I want him in our team.. just saying he is absolute quality imo

No way SAF will sell vidic guys unless we end up with a Hargreaves situation where the injury he has becomes chronic.

He is about a couple of months from returning and I have a feeling he is going to come back as good as ever and will be immense to us in the second half of the season.

People forget that a healthy vidic and his influence on the team is still better than almost every defenders around. The cost to replace him would be substantial.

Ferdinand will go first IMO as he will be asked to take a big pay cut for a one year extension and we will end up buying a top quality defender to partner Vidic if Smalling is deemed not reliable or ready.

Depending on how players perform we might even go with Vidic/Smalling and Evans/Jones back up and end up only buying a tope quality LB in the summer. SAF never does anything on the panic and will give the injured players plenty of time to prove they can come back.

Shahram

22 Oct 2012 19:17:35
To the guy who thinks we can beat Barca what planet are you on? We have never been further away from their level.... We could play both Lindegard and DeGea in goal ans still probably get beat.

Totally agree there Valdez is better than de gea ATM , Alves it better than raffa at the moment , there cb are better at the current moment as a pair , alba is better left back than ours there , xavi iniesta an masc or busquets an song at better cm than ours Sanchez villa pedro thiago are better thn wa we got an then messi is better than any player we have so tbh they got 10-11 better players in there starting line up than we got ! Fans are just to bias about there own players think they are better than they are most of the time a fit vidic maybe the only player to make it in there starting team

Dio {Ed004's Note - Sorry I completely disagree with Valdes being better than De Gea, just my personal opinion but I have never rated Valdes highly. The Barcelona defence is dreadful. Look at the goals they conceded at the weekend. I personally think our defence is far better than theirs and I feel both Rooney and RVP could make a case in starting in the Barcelona team. However, saying all that I think they are still a far superior team and if we were to get anywhere near their standard are midfield needs some work done to it.}

I didn't say we would beat them but the team I chose would have a chance and mate I also think that you should watch more football everyone said chelsea would be slaughter by Barca, the beat them and deportivo gave them quite a scare they are not the team they were 2-3 years ago.

Caolán.

De Gea

Rafael Smalling Pique Alba

Cesc Xavi

Rooney Iniesta Messi

van Persie

Would be my team from both clubs

Caolain

Is it not quite indicitive of how far we are away from the best in Europe now, when, even if 'Barca are not the same team' as a few years ago, most (IMO) of us STILL think we wouldn't get near them unless we got very, very lucky.

We shouldn't have to depend on other top teams getting worse mate, just to be able to grab onto their coat-tails.


StevieK

I understand that but did you think we would win the champions leaue in 99 with 3 mins left did you think we would win it when terry stepped up in Moscow? But we did most people don't think we can eat Barca but stranger things have happened!

Caolán.

Everyone's already beaten before we even take the field. I stand by what I say... We'd have a chance if we got the tactics right.

DodgyBanter

This caolijn guy seems to b very young,i think everyone needs to take this into account when arguing with his very very naive opinions.
Mick the red fireman

Mick optimism never hurt anyone.

Caolán.

Just to back up Ed004, for all of their defensive frailties at the moment (what with puyol getting injured whenever he nears the 1st team, and Pique just having quite a lot of injuries) the worst player at barcelona is, and has been for a long time, Valdes. On average he saves less than 50% of the shots on goal. he is the school ground definition of a goalie (someone who wanted to play football, but was sh1t so they put him in goal). DDG may have his weak points, but only god can tell you how Valdes has stayed in "the best team ever", he is a shocking goalkeeper.

Jaxer

Alves better than rafael?

pfftttt what planet are you living on son

defensively my 2 year old daughter is better than alves...hes pish

Robbo

22 Oct 2012 18:45:17
SAF has confirmed that evra and ferdinand will not feature vs braga and with jones smalling and vidic out who is going to start with evans in the centre?

Keane, Wootan or Carrick.

Scott Wooton is my guess hopefully not Carrick!

Caolán.

Wooton?

22 Oct 2012 18:28:51
top 3 young players in european football, taken of an official site-
1/raheem sterling.
2/paul pogba.
3/jesus fernandez saez, aka-suso.
things are not that bad at liverpool eh, dont know much about pogba , but hey he must be good to be put up there with suso and raheem...............lfc {Ed004's Note - You can actually brag when they have made it at your club. At the minute all this means is that people have high expectations for them, a lot of players have been predicted to reach great heights and failed.}

Well if they are going good then thats amazing, cuz as it stands u are in a relegation fight lol
Chris the REDman

Yeah like Richie Partridge and Neil Mellor, the new McManaman and Owen weren't they what happned there?

I wonder if you would have had pogba at no.2 if he was still with us - you would be calling him over hyped. Sterling does look decent for englands sake lets hope he has a bit more about than walcott and knows how to use his pace. Adam

An official site? Please let us know what site for a start. Also, with those three being the top 3, it seems slightly biased, as all three would be well known to British people, perhaps not elsewhere. I'm pretty certain there are a few gems that played their youth football outside of England, that are comparable to those three.

Paul pogba , having watched him on youtube , all i can say is saf- what a big, big mistake you have made...............lfc

This post would carry more weight if firstly you named the "official" site that you gleamed this info from and secondly you added young players from around the world because this is where all the "big" clubs are getting their young talent from.
Raheem Stirling is a good young prospect, but would struggle to get in the top 50 of world wide talent. The likes of Neymar, Oscar and Lucas Moura, 3 from one country would make him look ordinary.
As for watching Pogba on youtube, Stuart Downing looks good on youtube. Pogba was a player with talent but couldn't wait for his chance, if he stayed another season and was more patient he may have made it, but we'll never know. he's gone to the 4th tier of European football and may shine in Italy but it's not the premiership or La Liga.
Flyhalf Mitch.

Raphael Varane, Thiago, Eden Hazard, Mario Gotze, Iker Muniain, Yann M'Vila, Kyriakos Papadopoulos, Mateo Kovacic and even Oxlade Chamberlain all better prospects than Stirling.
Flyhalf Mitch.

Sterling is like Walcott all pace nothing else, suso, looks decent but to light and if you ask me mats daehli would top that list any day of the week!

Did you get this off the official liverpool site?

19-20 MUFC

Flyhalf mitch

Add to that Oscar, Neymar, Lucas Moura, Lucas Ocampos, Isco and Veratti. That allows you to see the extent of the deludedness of liverpool fans.

Mick

22 Oct 2012 17:36:09
i see on caught offside that juve r lookin interested in rio what r peoples views on rio goin to italy...in my opinion i would be to get rid if we had more options at the back, or do some kind of swap for vidal....he has been our week link at the back this year and this could b our get out of jail card...just wonderin whats ur opinion

Firstly, if it's on caught offside, it's probably nonsense. Secondly, weak link? Think you're confusing him with Patrice. Thirdly, even if it were true, can't see Rio wanting to go overseas.

AJH

Don't believe anything Caught Offside has to say bud.

They make their money by people clicking onto their page, hence why they make up very attractive stories to attract football fans to their site.

Very exciting prospect to invest in, if I say so myself.

MPez

No-one's going to listen to you until you learn to spell mate.
nov00

Swap him for pogba

22 Oct 2012 17:13:52
The team for tomorrows match is a tough one to call, really is! Braga have threats in both Alan and Eder. Alan in particular could cause some trouble down the right, so hopefully Buttner will be able to track back well, because a counter attack will more than likely come through Alan. I think the team we'll see will be something like this....
--------Lindegaard--------
Rafael-Evans-Wooton-Buttner
-----Fletcher--Cleverly----
----------Kagawa----------
Nani------------------Young
----------Rooney----------

Andy!

22 Oct 2012 17:05:37
just watch Norwich City v Arsenal

how can arsenal fans come here and tell us they got a better team ?

desiRED

They didn't muster a single opportunity in the whole game. A pathetic performance and it will be a massive struggle for them to get into the top four this season.

Sydney!

22 Oct 2012 16:45:57
So Wootton could be starting tomorrow and the Rio/SAF rift was sorted out in an instant. Buttner should start and we could well look to play the diamond with Kagawa and Cleverley rested. Are you happy with all of that Red Man? A genuine question, I'm not being sarcastic.

Sydney!

Sorry, that's rested at the weekend I was meant to say.

Sydney!

22 Oct 2012 14:50:07
Team for tomorrow then gents?

SAF has said he is resting Rio and Evra (can't wait for papers headlines being Rio dropped! Jokers) and that Smalling and Jones are still a couple of weeks away.

So:

____________ De Gea
Rafael __ Evans __ Wootton __ Buttner
___________Fletcher
____Anderson ____Cleverley
Nani __________________ Young
__________Hernandez

I've gone for this team based on SAF saying Rio and Evra rested with the Chelsea game coming up so I'd imagine he'll want to protect RVP, Rooney, Kagawa and Carrick? I think (hope) this team would still be goo enough to beat Braga!

Also, pleased for Brady getting drafted in to the Champions League squad, potentially have him ahead of Young but I doubt that will be the case!

Looking forward to it though!

Ports

Same team but i think smalling in for wootton and i think maybe lindegaard will play this one.

phil

I think Kagawa on Cleverly will play

De Gea
Rafael-Evans-Rio-Evra
Fletcher
Cleverly-Anderson
Kagawa
Rooney-RVP

Dont underestimate Braga i think a stronger team. possibly rooney and VP. tough call as such a biggie this weekend.

ms85

I think kagawa will play and maybe rooney as well
jred

Sorry wootton in for smalling,should of read the team news before commenting!

phil

Too tough to call to be honest.

Sydney!

___________DDG
_____Woots______Evans
Tony______Fletcher______Butt
____Clevers_______Anders
__________Kagawa
____L.Nani________Rooney

You have to think Nani and Anderson will play against a Portugal side. Players need games, but I doubt the manager will take Braga too lightly. Jred said that Ev isn't playing which is good news, but bad news that he will be playing at the weekend. I didn't expect to see Rio play and I think Carrick will get a rest too.

Sydney!

___________Linders
Toni___Smalling__Evans___Buttner
______Cleverly__Anderson
Welbeck____Kagawa_____Young
____________RVP

Fletcher may also get some involvement. The game is important in that we rest the right people for the weekend and also give playing time to those who need it.

I fancy that the boss will try to give Smalling 90 minutes in the hope of playing him against Chelsea. Cleverly and Kagawa will play given that they weren't involved during the weekend. We cannot afford to underestimate Braga though, so we will play a strong attack that will feature either Rooney or RVP - its anyone's guess as to which one the boss goes for.

Fresh!

Ports I think we will play a much stronger team and it is stupid to underestimate Braga and drop points and possibly open up the group. A win pretty much gets us through and leaves us needing to beat Cluj at home and then have the luxury of resting players for the away fixtures at Braga and Galatasaray and even give some of the younger guys a run out.

my prerffered line up is Lindegard, Evans, Buttner,Rafael, Fletcher, Kagawa, Anderson, Cleverly, Valencia, rooney. I know I am missing a defender but can't figure out who we play in the centre. It will be a big step up for wootton. Maybe robbie brady somewhere in there.

I hope, smalling and ashley young get a run out as subs. Don't be surprised to see giggs in the starting lineup and captaining the team.

BTW does anyone know what is going on with smalling as SAF said he was potentially available for the stoke game but did not even make the bench.

Shahram

Fresh, I didn't realise Lindegaard was fit. Someone mentioned last week that he had done his ankle in, I didn't look to see who was on the bench at the weekend. I have to agree that Lindegaard will start tomorrow. I think Rooney will play ahead of RvP due to him needing games and it looked like RvP took a knock at the weekend.

Sydney!

22 Oct 2012 14:44:22
A lot of the people on here has no idea about development,this isn't fifa manager mode,there alota factors to consider it not an exact science,welbeck will learn a lot in the next 3 years of playing top flight,its the highest level of football not sunday league,he has done well so far and reading of the game will improve and so will technique,Nani thou is completely down on confidence I think he got talent but we don't suit him,he needs to move get he's career back on track without united pressure on him,like it or not Alex isn't always right when it comes to man management but this is he's united while he here no ways we would have had this success without him,he'll always do things he's way that's a great character.Best ever imo

22 Oct 2012 13:29:01
i'm sick of hearing about Falcao. Yes great player. Yes him with van Persie and Rooney looks great on paper. I doubt it would work in reality. Especially if we blow our whole budget on a striker we don't need and the midfield behind them is still dirt! Lets have some common sense and prioritise: CM, CB, LB & LW Are what we need not more strikers!

Amazing player but out of our price range these days. Chelsea bound i fear

Hopefully he will go to some foreign country like russia for money

19-20 MUFC

22 Oct 2012 13:02:22
I cannot believe some of the comments that people come out a say on here without looking at the bigger picture.


Welbeck - People are questioning the lads ability on here which I think is unfair, unfortunately Strikers are judged on Goals but how often has Welbeck started as an out and out striker? Someone said that when he has time to think he struggles but all good strikers play on instinct and the two back heel goals for England he has scored should tell you the ability he has, these were not flukes, we once spent £7 million on Andy Cole, a record fee at the time and he used to waste chances galore and had a hard time from United fans but he came good, like GK's, Strikers get better as they get older. Alan Shearer became a regular at Southampton at the age of 19 and in 3 seasons he played a total of 143 games and only scored 40 goals, give Welbeck a chance, he has shown he can score a variety of goals, he just needs more composure in front of goal which he will get as time goes on, the biggest thing, like Andy Cole is that he keeps getting in the right positions and getting the opportunities and although frustrating if he scores 1 in 5 chances, at least he's scoring, the boy has pace, strength, a physical presence and a good touch so please stop hammering the kid.

Pogba - The kid got offered a big contrat for his age, Hernandez and Cleverley were on small contracts and after showing they could cut it in the Premier League got offered a bigger contract, money will find these players if they are prepared to wait. And before people say Pogba was not given a chance, at Youth level he was a standout performer, he went to the Reserves and senior football and wasn't bossing games like his talent may of suggested he would of, the step up from youth football to senior football is massive, speed of the game, the physical side of the game, the premier league is so different to when it began and it is not as simple as just throwing kids in like it was in the early days, they have to be eased in, not just the game but everything that goes with it, fame, spotlight and the attention you will get add to that these agents who want to sign you up and get their chunk of your worth then it is important these kids are protected, Pogba and his agent obviously felt differently, only time will tell but SAF's record with kids is second to none, whether through the ranks or brought in, he manages them correctly.

Pettrucci - Great player, not sure the situation with him, some people seem to think he's signed a contract, some not? All I know is the kid had 2 years of bad injuries therefore he is 2 years behind on his development so he needs regular game time in senior football, the reserves before making the step up to full time and I think we will see him come the new year, it's a shame we pulled Newcastle and then Chelsea in the league cup otherwise we could of seen him earlier.

Anyway gents, we are second in the League, top goal scorers, going well in the Champions League, still in the League cup, we attracted the best player in the German League and the best striker in the Premier League in the summer so I don't think things are as bad as some fans are making out, just relax and trust the man that put us on top of English Football again and has seen off Wenger, Dalglish, Mourinho, Keegan, Ancelotti, 1, 2 or even 3 bad seasons will not be the end of us, Arsenal have had 7 years without a cup!

Ports

Completely agree with the Welbeck situation, he's only 21/22, give him some time playing with Rooney and RVP up front and we're laughing.

I also have a bet that Welbeck will score more than Lambert, Pogrebnyak, Carroll and Lukaku, I bloody hope he comes good!

Hoppy

22 Oct 2012 11:36:26
A lot of talking points the last few days. On Pogba, I can't believe that people still think he had decided to join Juventus at the start of last season. I would assume that if people on this site knew he had agreed to join, then the club would have known too, and if the club knew he was leaving he would have been nowhere near the first team. Personally I think it's a combination of money and managerial ineptitude.

We offered him the biggest youth contract in the club's history? Well tough, Juve offered him more, and if you want to keep a talented player, regardless of age, then you have put up the money. We were willing to stump up £30m for a player only a year older this summer (and in my opinion Pogba would have been a lot more important), so we could have easily matched Juve. We chose not to because the club didn't want to set a precedent. But that's a pointless stance because the precedent has already been set by other clubs, so in the future we can either pay more or see our top academy players walk one by one out the door.

The second factor was, as Jono has pointed out, a lack of faith in the lad. In a few months at Juve he has been given more chances than he got all last year. And Juve have central midfield players that are far far better than what we have. Last year we had no Scholes, Cleverly and Anderson injured, and Fletcher on the sick bed. Pogba must have thought, that his chance had come, but no Fergie played an average player he was set on selling, a hard working journey man, a young right back, a young centre back, and a 38 year winger instead. After this he begged a retired player to come back before playing Pogba. This isn't about a player being impatient, it's about the manager taking the piss out of the best young midfielder to pass through our youth ranks since Scholes. The few cameos toward the end of the season can't mask the fact that Fergie didn't give him a proper chance when he was clearly the best midfield option we had.

On the issue of Welbeck. He has all the physical attributes you could want in a young striker, tall, athletic, fast, but his development as a striker has been really slow. He played a lot of games last year but didn't actually look like he got any better positional understanding or became more clinical in-front of goal. Welbeck can be a top class player, but only if the training is top notch. Hernandez is another case in point, no development of his game in the last two seasons, and now that defenders have learned to cope with him, he looks predictable. If players in their early twenties are stagnating then the club really needs to take a look at its coaching staff. The youth coaches seem to get the players into a good position, but after that there seems to be a lack of development, even in cases where young players are getting regular game time.

Danny Pughnited

Totally agree with you about Pogba Danny. If I was him, the Blackburn game would have finished me with the club, a disgraceful selection by SAF.
Regarding Welbeck, you make a very interesting point about the coaching.
Look at Nani, Anderson, Fabio - they have not improved. Jones and Smalling are always injured. Young has had no long term impact at the club. What is going on?

J Bones.

Hear, hear! This is an intelligent and direct analysis. One hopes that a number of matters will change quite sharply when Ferguson steps aside. That is looking increasingly likely as he embarrasses both and himself and the club with his vacuous and petulant outbursts. In my opinion his distemper and gratuitous aggression accounts for the instability of Nani, and the forever tragic waste of Anderson's talent. Quit while you are (recently) ahead!

Aesop

"He (Sir Alex Ferguson) told me that my time would come, but then it never came. And I wanted to play.

"Today was just one game. I won't let it go to my head."


When exactly did fergie suggest he would play... when there were only 10 more fit players so he had to play......

agree J Bones... the blackburn game must have really pissed him off.. it would have me....

Oxred

Agree with you completely Danny. Pogba did what was right for his career. When he came on he looked real class and would have been exactly what we are looking for.
But saf decided to be stubborn and yet again, he lost out and more importantly, we lost out. What a ridiculour situation to be in.
On the training issue, when you have Phelan as your right hand man, you are taking the piss out of every United fan by employing such a useless coach. Is it any wonder these players have not improved?
NoMidfield

Perhaps you should all scroll down to see what the editor has to say about this situation.

Sydney!

I have read what ed002 has said Syd, and I take it on board. But at the same time, the idea that Pogba had decided to join Juve a year in advance flies in the face of all the evidence right in front of us. If someone outside the club knew that Pogba had decided to join Juve, then we must assume the club would have know too, i.e. if ed002 knew then Fergie and Gill knew too. But then a number of things make absolutely no sense.

Why put a player who is definitely leaving the club anywhere near the first team? What do United get from this?

Why offer a player you know is leaving the biggest youth contract the club has ever offered? You know he isn't going to sign it, so all you are doing is setting a precedent for other youth players in contract negotiations.

Why re-introduce him into the first team, very publically, at the end of last season? This doesn't make sense unless the club thought there was some chance he would sign.

All in all, there is no way that Pogba's future was resolved last summer. Juve had clearly sounded him out, but Fergie knew this and made some very public attempts to convince him to stay. Nobody will know the exact reasons, aside from Pogba and his advisors, but as I said, money and playing time, are what I think are the biggest factors.

Danny Pughnited

I do not think he was joining Juventus a year in advance. But he was planning to leave a year in advance. PSG & Marseille were both approached over a year ago by his reps. I imagine the manager held some sort of hope that he may be able to change his mind with money, but the manager would have known it was fruitless and didn't see the point in promoting Pogba to go and leave at the end of the season. In my heart I have no doubt that he would have played far more last season had he signed, he would have been first choice this season. The boy was offered a chance of becoming a Manchester United first team player, but he was advised poorly by a couple people to move away from United so they can exploit their cash cow. United would have been too powerful for them had he signed with us so they needed him to part company with is. SAF was a massive fan of Pogba and he went on TV to say he is a 1st team player numerous times, he said he will do the right thing and stay numerous times. Rarely you see the manager beg a player to stay, especially a youngster. The manager and player had fallings out on a couple of occasions last season as the manager knew he couldn't keep him. Why play him and make him famous for him to f*ck off and join someone else? I fully understand why the manager was reluctant to play him due to this. I would have been. The manager's remarks about Pogba after he went said it all, the manager was gutted he left as he knew he was going to be a world-class player. He was my favourite player at the club and I think he is a real top talent. A 19 year old Frenchman away from his family was no match for Mino Raiola and Co.

Sydney!

I dont NOT believe that Pogba was intending to leave anyway. But this isnt an isolated incident - none of our other talented youth are getting a chance ahead of tired, aging players.

Are they all joining Juve next season as well? Of course that aren't. So the idea that Pogba left due to not being played is far from ridiculous.

RED_SKY

I think danny makes some good points on the pogba issue.
pogba may well of been looking for a move away but would a run of games of changed his mind, I guess we will never know.
i always though it was strange that we offered him such a good contract but never really gave him a first team chance
jred

Jred, well according to Ed002 he was never going to sign a new deal. I tend to agree, you and Danny disagree, lets move on.

Sydney!

22 Oct 2012 10:56:27
alright lads.just wondering do you think kagawa could play as part of a midfield two with a strong dm or b2b midfielder?

No! Never!

J Bones.

It would ruin his ability. He would only do well in a midfield 3 and him being the top of the point.

-JakeW

22 Oct 2012 07:55:54
Are we seeing the end of Rio Ferdinand at OT? There seems to be a battle brewing with SAF over the "Kick it out" shirt affair, and as we know, if you take on Fergie you are very soon shown the door? Next summer move to the MLS? I think it could be on.
Mike B.

What do you mean the end of rio, you should be saying its the end of Man United and whisky nose. After are bad start we are picking the points up now and i guantee you mancs we will be above you by the new year, Rodgers is the new fergie remember that. Ben x5

This story is really quite pointless, just being magnified by the media as they always do with United. At the end of the day Rio should choose what causes he wants to support, not Ferguson. What was it Ferguson said, no one man is bigger than the club, we'll i believe he is starting to think he is. what about his antics with the BBC when he was costing the club thousands for not being interviewed.
Rio doesn't believe the F.A is doing enough against racism and he is right. How is Ferguson going to punish Rio, give him a 4 match ban and £250,000 fine?
Come on its pathetic, the media are trying to unsettle the camp, and they believe they have Sir Alex both ways, if he doesn't punish Rio he is weak, if he does then he punishing a player sticking up for his brother. What we all fail to see is that Rio Ferdinand not wearing the shirt has brought more attention to the "Kick It Out" campaign, and what should be going on at the same time, an investigation about racial abuse to England players against Serbia.
Of late Rio has been very good to United, a great servant for the team, especially in the last two seasons, when all other defenders have been dropping like flies, he has keep himself fit and in front of de gea, even with his own problems.

aaallj5

Deluded scouser!
Wow you scraped a result against a team which destined for the drop.
You really are a pathetic bunch arn't you!

Simmo