Manchester United Banter Archive September 22 2013

22 Sep 2013 22:17:14
How do you legislate for players not bothering to track runners in a derby match?

Tony V - hang your head.
Fellaini - hang your head.
Rio Ferdinand - HANG YOUR HEAD.
Evra - hang your head.

Forget summer signings guys, that has been and gone. Forget formations and team selections, it's far simpler than that:

Eleven MEN have to go out, full of pride that they are wearing the shirt, and they have to fight for the bragging rights of Manchester.

Well done to Vidic, Carrick, Rooney (at times) and Cleverly (when he came on).

Moyes needs to overhaul this team for Wed night - Nani, Zaha, Rafael, Buttner/Fabio, Evans, Chica dare I say it Ando all need to get their chance. Januzej should also feature.

Question is, will Moyes stick with some of these fringe players in if they perform? I hope so, this team looked stale and devoid of ideas with the ball.

Agreed (mostly).

Vidic's tracking on their 4th wasn't great eirher - nothing more than a lazy jog inyo no mans land.

And I can't recall a crunching tackle until near the end.

Overall I think they kust wanres it more whixh is disappointing.

Hopefully the fringe players get a game in thw week knowing that they can play themselces into the team.

Gav

I completely agree and they should sit these guys down and show them replays of the game.

I also believe some of these guys don't have the legs to track back anymore and not suitable for games like yesterday where they were just too fast, physical and slick for us.

22 Sep 2013 21:53:37
Sir Alex Ferguson the best manager football has ever seen (pains me to say it but true) retired from his job any man to come after is going to have his work cut out for him he needs time to get his stamp on this team a transition period was inevitable. Manchester United ain't going nowhere fast unfortunately;) I wouldn't panick utd fans.
AFC fan

Well said and I think a lot of people on here should take your point on board. Only 5 days ago many people on here were praising the team for the great win against Leverkusen.

Lol come back in dec and see where the ars are u had easy games so far its only 5 games in and u think u won tittle already

Dengel at what stage did I say anything about arsenal in that entire post only to say that I was an afc fan. You wouldn't know a compliment if it jumped up and bit you in the ar@e.

22 Sep 2013 21:29:58
Ok speaking as someone who was at the Council House today the only people connected to United today who can walk away with their heads held high are the supporters. We were magnificent today no matter what that shower did on the pitch. There was a groan around the crowd when everyone realised RVP wasn't playing and I think the team felt the same. They seemed to have no confidence without him. And in Rooney and Welbeck they had 2 strikers who failed to make Hart make a save till deep into the second half.

Their is no point me going through the team as they were pathetic and Ferdinand probably the worst


Today was the perfect demonstration of the difference between the two teams.
One has brought in a forward thinking tactically knowledgeable manager who has proved his worth in Europe. The other has brought in someone who can work on a shoe string.
One got all its transfer business done early and quietly bringing in quality throughout the team. The other just embarrassingly staggered from one transfer target to another before eventually paying 4 million pounds more than it needed to for a player they could have bought months ago.
One has got owners who have invested in the team the club the ground the community the City. The other has owners who are just bleeding the club and concentrating all their efforts into making it into a brand like Nike or the LA Dodgers or Coke rather than a football team.

Moyes and the team did not deserve us today as we did the club proud and showed City that they may be able to beat us on the pitch but can't match us off it

Yet again Kloot I couldn't have put it better myself.

Grow up will you City have spent £700 million since their new owners took over and won nothing last season, they had one English player and if this is your idea of how an English premier league club should be run then your deluded!the Glazers are not to blame for that performance today the team that started and fans like you who obviously got very giddy during the build up City needed it more than us and that showed they are 3 points ahead and given our opening fixtures you should take that instead of wasting time and energy on our owners, it may derail us then again we may just respond like we always do and go on a long unbeaten run but the owners can't influence that the squad and management can

Manchester United a great Club but City has much better squad. The last 3 yrs they just humiliated us so badly.

Agree with kloot. How much care and affection do the glazers show in the footballing side? Zero.
Real, barca, bayern, city go out and buy the best players, while our lot go around offering £27m for Fabregas. Pretend they were not interested in thiago. Turn their noses at ozil. Offer Bilbao £13m under the asking price for Herrera. Talk for three months about garay then pull out. Basically, it is all talk.
And why shouldn't we expect to buy the best players? What is there to be ashamed of if we bought ozil for £55m?
We're not wanting to change the whole team, we just need to start competing with the other teams for the TOP players.
Real buy bale, isco, ilharmendi, we buy fellaini. I said at the time that city had bought very wisely and I was laughed at. I think the gulf in class showed today.
One last word, we signed a manager who is safe in his approach, defensive in his play, naïve in his tactics and we're expecting him, somehow, to develop into a world beater. People are saying Ferguson achieved nikthing in his first few years in charge. Well I would like to remind you that when Ferguson took over, united had gone 22 years without winning the league, it took Ferguson four more years to win it. However, Moyes has inherited a team that won the league last year, but needed reinforcements to move to the next level, but that hasn't happened, and if anything, we've gone backwards.
Of course, we can't blame Moyes for everything, though he chose the team and played the clueless tactics with two wingers, while city had four midfielders. However, the players had very little fight in them. And that is unacceptable.

Humiliated us are you sure, they lost at Cardiff and drew at Stoke a weeks a long time in football, be patient and wait for the reaction it's going to blow you Neg Heads away.

Sorry JG but you are guilty of burrying your head in the sand mate!

Nomidfield ozil refused to go to utd.

get over it

JG

You personify the set of fans who until we truly have a disaster of a season, just believe things will be good.

If you can't see the gulf in ability and quality, you are beyond banter.

I do not understand why people would use another teams slip up to accept how poor we are as if being mediocre is ok as long as the rest also have their occasional slip ups.

What on earth does City losing to Cardiff have anything to do with us getting smashed by a much better group of players and a vast gulf in quality.

I guess as Redman put it, maybe missing out on CL qualifying and having to work our a. s off for a top 4 spot might get people to wake up.

There is damn good reason why our football has been poor for a very long time and it did not start yesterday. We are stuck with some of the most underwhelming players for too long and have done nothing in terms of investments in a top player for 3 to 4 years excluding RVP.

People need to realize that in today's football environment, you need to spend 50 to 60 million a season to stay competitive.

Kloot that is pathetic. Rooney was the only player who can come off that pitch with his head held high, he never stopped working right up until the 94th minute and was by far the best United player on the pitch.
It's a pity the other players didn't follow his lead.
Going off your previous posts its pretty obvious that you have a real problem with Rooney. Get a grip!

Simmo, what's your problem?

Neither Rooney or Welbeck hit the target til deep into the second half. Are you disputing this? If you're not, then what's with the overreaction?

Rooney lovers are so sensitive.

StevieK

StevieK

Im not a Rooney lover but it was pretty easy to see that Rooney was head and shoulders above all the other players.
What difference does it make if he hit the target in the first half or the second half? The point is he did hit the target and scored a very good goal and played extremely well and worked his bo**ocks off.

22 Sep 2013 21:10:55
since moyes and woodward have taken there respective jobs they have turned our global club into a laughing stock whether it be moyes tactics and woodwards dealings with transfers yes I no its only one game but the gulf in class is getting bigger not just with the big clubs but even mid table clubs moyes and woodward are now being found out the trouble is our fans just accept it in beleif that the next transfer window we will make a statment which won't happen its our club and only us fans can do anything about it ore dark days ahead

22 Sep 2013 21:06:10
Embarrassed . yes. pissed off . definitely. confused. of course. From the kick off we never pressed the ball and never got into our stride. Moyes is made of tougher and its going to take time for things to come together. In all honesty there is blame to be laid at someone's feet and that is Ed Woodward. We need to strengthen so please get your finger out Ed your a joke .

CAIN

Cain, while I agree that Woodward is not flavour of the month with any of us. He didn't make that pathetic selection with young in the left, he didn't see it fit that a player who was voted German league player of the year twice should be sat on the bench for all our matches. He didn't pick young and giggs to play at anfield.
No, the transfer window is shut, and all blame for now, lies at the feet of Moyes and the players.
That performance today, together with the gutless performance at anfield, the boring and predictable play against Chelsea, lies with our manager, his team selection, his tactics, or lack of them.
Send lingard on loan while we play young? Come on. Is he belong serious?
Playing vidic and Rio five matches? Where is the rotation? If they carry on this way, they'll be knackered by the new year!
Sorry, Woodward has not covered himself in Gold, but our manager, his staff and the players are to blame for these performances.

No midfeild . as you are aware the players that started wer not good enough well most of them either through fitness or shear laziness. Now what my beef is that none of the bench kagawa included would have stopped that onslaught or really changed the game at all because wer we need class and depth we have really yet to address so as clear as that has being Woodward done nothing to sort it and failed on all fronts leaving us wit an abundance of squad players and little class .if moyes had the right balance of class an depth we well could of turned the game on its head an avoided an embarrassing situation

CAIN

22 Sep 2013 20:42:08
we, ve been here before lads, let's not kid ourselves, we all know what needs to be done and I have every trust that the manager will pull us through, a few words with god(fergie)and we go again

22 Sep 2013 19:28:21
I recall a similar drubbing in 1989, early in SAF tenure, however there was a difference back then. It was their cup final where we had the quality that didn't perform. This time they brushed us aside as we have done with challengers to us in the last 20 years.
This didn't just happen today, it has been building, look at recent derbies and they are a better, more talented, stronger quicker team than us with quality, real quality in key positions. Kompany, Toure and Aguero are quality and those on here who dismissed their manager must be embarrassed as they ripped us to pieces until they took their foot off the gas at 4 nil. I except Rooney from criticism as he was our outstanding player, quality and also Carrick and Vidic. Carrick and Vidic are well into their thirties now but what have we done to put quality around them? How many on here who wanted Rooney out would be happy with the remainder of the team we saw today?

I submit there is a fundamental flaw in the clubs strategy from the very top down. Brilliant at marketing a club that is visibly declining because of lack of player investment but there appears to be a strategy of buying at a level that keeps us at a level rather than trying to improve. None of the top players arrived at our door, they all went elsewhere. Other teams are improving and we are not. That letter explaining our transfer plans is frankly embarrassing after today's effort

The arrival of Fellaini was buffed up by United pundits too scared to say what they really think and those that do show concern dismissed by the arrogance similar to some on here. Fellaini is a decent player but slow and deliberate. If Kagawa was not seen as the type of player needed why keep him.

Now RVP and Rooney are watching us and must be wondering what is the future? There is one thing I sense and that is we are becoming Everton, with an Everton mind set and that is worrying. Five games in and the pressure is rising as I explained it might, a major proven manager would have more time because we would KNOW he knew how to get it right, Moyes doesn't have that. The tipping point I believe is Europe, fail there and be off the pace in the league and the pressure rises another notch. City are better than us and it is folly to say we will be Champions this season.
We lost a game today just one game but the difference in quality was very very worrying and the spectre of Liverpool 1990 is around us unless there is a step change in strategy from the very top. The Everton model may be admired by our owners keen to maximise cash but we are not Everton.

22 Sep 2013 19:59:25
i was thinking the same red man, but I also think if we don't do something about it and struggle winning the game the sponsor's will leave and the fans will boikott(spelling) coming 2 see the game and stop buying season tickets then the glazer will loose a lot of money and then they will either sell or invest in the team, I hope so.if this is the only way 2 make glazer's spend then I hope it happens or we lose 4-5 game in row or draw's. young evra out and welbeck 2. zee

I agree with a lot of what you say.

We 90 million in the bank and projecting to make 120 to 130 million this year with a 3rd place finish in the league and just making it out of the CL group stages.

I sounds bad but a off year would not be the worst thing for us and then we can truly judge the manager, CEO and the ownership on their true intentions for the club.

By all accounts we will have more cash in the bank than any club on the face of the planet come next summer and bout time we spent it on some top talent and not the second tier of the transfer market.

22 Sep 2013 20:35:56
i hope we start useing some of the money soon, zee

The money there to be spent, getting top players in, not sitting on our arses etc is all good. But then, what can you do to get rid of that cowardly attitude we have in big games. It is as if a draw is like a moral victory.

Do we have any excuses at the end of the day when we had only 1 substitution in the match even after being 0-4 down? City brought in Dzeko FFS even when they were leading. We are trying to keep Kagawa and Nani all nice and shiny for the photoshoot I guess. And Zaha and Januzaj will get their chances by 2016. Few things that happened today were inexplicable.

Deeps.

Well said redman, I will feel embarrassed with the stick I will get off work collegues, friends and neighbours today and tommorow.it was boys against men today and we were tpotally overwhelmed.all the people on here saying we will win the league again and trotting out we won it last year with the same squad open your eyes 7 points from 15 is midtable form not top 3.this squad is carrying too much deadwood that wouldn't get near any of our main competitors teams young not good enough danny welbeck unfortunately not good enough, anderson not good enough, evra great battler but can't defend anymore, rio last season, carrick great servant but getting older, vidic not many years left at the top.we couldn't of done any worse if we played our up and coming youngsters today at least they might have shown a bit more passion .the problem we now have is to replace the deadwood and the ageing players would take a massive investment and unfortunately I can't see the purse strings being loosened that much

I'm sorry, mate. But if you thought Rooney was the stand out player in our team today, we must have been watching different games.

Don't let a very good free-kick detract from an awful performance full of poor first touches, inaccurate short passes, and aimless running around.

Very similar to a lot of his performances last year.

This isn't an anti-Rooney post, because the rest were just as bad, but please don't come on here making him out to have been our best player, just to back up yours, and a lot of other's on here, defence of the guy over the close season.

He was poor. They were all poor. And I'm one of optimists on here!

Red Man

Quality post, quality

Deeps

Well said, we were poor in the 1st half but changed nothing. I hope I am wrong but DM didn't seem to know what to do when we were getting spanked.

Face facts we are finished as a major force unless the glazers cab be ousted which ain't going to happen.All this nonsense over the summer being linked to big names was just a smokescreen.I can't really blame moyes but he is out of his depth as he doesn't do flair football. Blackpool Red

Sorry Stevie

We most certainly were watching two different games then. If he was not our best player, who on earth was? The only one who tried to create something in the final third, the only one who went past defenders, the only one who actually got forward passes going and deservedly the only one who scored a goal from our side.

I think your dislike for the guy is clouding your judgement. Yes he was not incredible, but the only one in the team today worthy of wearing the shirt and putting in a shift along with Vidic. You see so much for you guys calling for his blood.

Deeps.

StevieK

Sorry but Rooney showed more passion and ability than anyone else in a red shirt today. I totally disagree with your assessment of him, totally.

Deeps, we didn't have a best player today, mate.

Red Man, I think a lot of people on here confuse headless running around after the ball, with 'passion and desire'.

I expect a bit more than that from our main player, sorry. I could do that for £50 a week!

A great free-kick, no doubt, but don't let that, and the fact that everyone else was so awful, mask Wayne's own shortcomings today. Watch the game again, take away the running around a lot, and just watch his close control and short passing. You might then see why he has to run around so much - he's trying to get the ball back.

No-one deserved to be called our 'best player' today, not even poor, hard-done by, little Wayne.

Agreed with red man and deeps, they were all rubbish, but Rooney at least had some guts in him.
If the team are playing like rabbits in headlights, then Rooney was never going to get any chances. The support to him was nonexistent. So are we expecting Rooney to do it all on his own?
Back to red man's post, I think he was spot on. Cover it any which way you want, but city have invested heavily in the TEAM, while our lot go out and sign more sponsorship deals. This transformation has not happened now, it has been ongoing for the past few years. We saw deals for hazard, Moura, Herrera, Fabregas, thiago all collapse because we are not prepared to go the extra mile. We even deluded ourselves that we should not be interested in ozil.
Where us this club going? Where are we going, when the only truly creative midfielder we have, kagawa, cannot even make the starting line up in any of our matches, while the likes of Ashley young bet picked all the time.
If anyone can see any POSITIVES from today's match in particular and the season in general then they must be the eternal optimists.

StevieK

"Wayne Rooney was outstanding, " said Moyes."He didn't deserve to be on the losing side today. He was first class." Suggest you re think your comments.

Generally,

My post was not about Rooney but the general lack of quality due to owners who haven't sufficiently invested in the team, who have watched our team slide and relied upon SAF to carry it whilst we had the advantage of City, Chelsea and co having poor seasons last one out. We have been embarrassed in Europe and yesterday was a wake up call of vast proportions, not for me because I have consistently identified this issue but for those like Sydney on here who continue to pander to the owners and tell everyone we are still great.

Why? Because DM said so? The man was clutching at anything, trying to find a positive from that debacle.

According to most on here, DM made a lot of mistakes today :)

StevieK

I thought Rooney done ok yesterday it was hard as the service was awful and the movement of the rest was even worse.
But a hard day at the office as kompany was outstanding, fantastic performance

22 Sep 2013 19:14:37
A good fan will never blame players or
coach. A good fan always accepts
defeat. A good fan always support
when the team lose or win. MUFC Till I die.

If a match going fan wants to voice their frustration they can . Never heard so much bull!

22 Sep 2013 19:05:08
Not a good day to be a United fan for sure.Today everything we planned before the game simply failed.We headed into the game with two experienced established center backs, one solid center back as a right back, two very defensive players ahead of the back four and two very defensive-minded wingers who always track back when on the back foot.Nevertheless, we conceded 4.We never seemed dangerous on the counter attack, which I think was the plan in the first place.Fellaini was supposed to keep Toure as innefective as possible, but he didn’t achieve that, at least in the first 45 minutes.Van Persie being injured not long before the game started didn’t help either.I think what we missed the most today was concentration.The first goal was due to poor marking on the wings by Valencia and Smalling.The second goal was for me the one that could have been most easily avoided.At this level two poor markings at the same set piece will always be punished.The second and the third goal both came at crucial times right before and after halftime respectively and that’s why I think our confidence was dropped to 0.But I’m sure I’m not the only one that has noticed we lack cutting edge, especially in the big games so far this season.That’s why Kagawa SHOULD be one of the first names on the team sheet for us, even if we play against physical sides.The same goes for Nani.If those two hit form, then I think we’re going to be unstopable.Why on earth didn't Moyes bring one of them into the game?

I’m sure we will come back stronger though.Can’t wait for the League Cup tie, hope we see Kagawa, Nani and Chicha all play then.Those who write us off, I suggest you have a second thought ;).

Good post Nicholas. agree 100%

Forgot to mention two other points as well:

I agree with the people on here who think that this was the chance to play Rooney and Kagawa at their best positions.In addition, it's clear that we miss Rafael badly.

Nicholas

Are you being serious. We are poor mate and our head to head record against decent opposition is poor.

I am very worried as we are yet to play Arsenal, & Spurs and their midfields are going to be a difficult group to handle.

There are way too many substandard players in this team who do nothing to deserve the backing of the fans, which is commendable.

Typical, I don't think having rafael today would have made a huge difference and to be frank they took their foot off the pedal at 4-0 or it could have been worse.

We need better players and I guess a few more of these type setbacks in big games and will convert you guys.

I am sure you will say all is good if our second string beats liverpool's second string on wednesday.

God created United.

I believe Fellaini and Carrick will be enough to handle Arsenal's and Tottenham's midfield.It just wasn't Fellaini's day today.All in all it wasn't OUR day.

I agree that Young and Welbeck are below standard though and shouldn't start that often.We could do with some reinforcements.Or at least play Zaha, Januzaj, Nani and Kagawa more often till next summer and spend big then.I think we have the players to be a team challenging for the league.It's the team selection that has let us down so far.I'm sure Moyes will learn from now on.Anyway, two defeats don't destroy our whole season, do they?

I don't care too much about the Mickey Mouse Cup to be honest.I just see it as a chance to get some players to hit form.

Nicolas your midfield will get hammered by the mighty arsenal.

Nicholas

Spurs midfield is stacked with quality players and I rate their midfield even higher than city's mate.

Carrick and Fellaini will not be able to handle them and hope Dm has learnt his lesson and puts out a 5 man midfield in those games or we are going to be in for a very long season.

I wouldn't write us off yet either; we have to much quality in the squad for that to happen. Moyes' needs to improve his team selection though. Apart from the game againt bayer leverkusen, he has got all his team selections wrong, IMO.

I agree with your view of giving other guys a run out as they could be no worst than some these guys.

We are not only playing poor but also risk losing players like Hernandez and Kagawa, because of players like welbeck and young getting starts and doing nothing to justify their selection.

Rio, Welbeck, Young should be used only when we are short of fit players. Evans, smalling, Janusaj, Zaha, Hernandez should get a proper run of games and not the token 15 minutes or half and back to the same rubbish.

There were people here who went as far as claiming Zaha could be as good as Ronaldo, I am confused how we can spend 15 million on a player and he does not even make the bench and has seen zero minutes playing time.

"I don't care too much about the Mickey Mouse Cup to be honest"

Come on. That cup forms part of LFC's "famous" Treble.

22 Sep 2013 18:01:49
Lets not blame Moyes for all of it, we never really dominated City under SAF as well.

I can't really remember if we ever have taken the game the City and humiliated them? Embarrassed them?

They have done it to us thrice including today. Yes we have won against them but we have never outplayed them or embarrassed them.

100% agree. I think they have by far a better team and squad than us.

You spend 300 million and you're bound to have a better team. But not a better club. We r united. We'll come back stronger.

You can when there are better players in the squad that can not even get a game anybody who says I don't think thiago woul be good enough for the prem ore we don't need anybody like ozil realy dose not fill you with confidence dose he

Time for a squad clearout. Carrick, Cleverley, Young, Welbeck and even Valencia. Just not up to the standard. Carrick is the most over rated player I have seen in years. Not fit to lace Keano's or Robbo's boots. Its like starting with 10 players with him in the team. Valencia has turned into a one trick pony and rarely beats his man or provide telling crosses.Cleverley is just plain muck . Young and Welbeck are ok against weaker teams but up the anti??

Bullseye.

Are you talking about the midfielder called Carrick?Michael Carrick?I thought he was our player of the season and one of the few good players for us today.

Can you explain exactly anything positive he does? Not too bad when we are on top but definitely not the person to get us on top in any game. He is a passenger most games always a 6/10 rating but never a match winner.Just not good enough

He was one of our best players today and don't get why people are mentioning him for having a poor game.

I thought Fellaini was very poor today and looked like he is in slow motion and lost Toure on the second goal and stopped tracking Aguero back for the 3rd goal.

22 Sep 2013 17:35:59
Buy Fellaini they said.
We won't get bullied by City anymore they said.

p/s: syd, how can United will get 25 points more than Liverpool if they play like this?

Where was the Fellaini that bullied us last year? Who was the imposter in a wig? He was a lightweight today.

What about Carrick he did absolutely nothing at least Fellaini tried what is Carricks purpose in that team?Midfield is not Fellaini alone

Well Fellaini looked very slow and worried he will struggle against faster midfielders.

We were defensively very poor today and did not track back and they opened us up on the wings with ease.

Fellaini is way to slow and lazy once in the game he actually ran, the rest he was jogging it was like he was still warming up.
Because of a select few it was the reason united lost I don't think city played great they just had to much space and time.
Rooney was expecting him to get sent of in the first half especially when he nearly killed aguero:).
But the second half he calmed down and started to play and deserved his goal.

22 Sep 2013 17:30:34
Dreadful. Moyes completely out of his depth. Liverpool to finish 25 points behind us? Don't make me laugh.

Bit strong going on about everton .i posted a few things which are now coming to your attention about moyes.you all said it was sour grapes.moyes loves his senior pros.he would rather draw a game than try to win it.he is so negative it is untrue.and also fellaini played upfront for everton and played very few games as a true c.m. chelsea. liverpool. man city.no wins.his record is there for you to view.its horrendas against big teams .he will never get another job like he has now. but he has the gift of the gab.so looks like your stuck with him.AND THIS IS NOT SOUR GRAPES.

Bit strong going on about everton .i posted a few things which are now coming to your attention about moyes.you all said it was sour grapes.moyes loves his senior pros.he would rather draw a game than try to win it.he is so negative it is untrue.and also fellaini played upfront for everton and played very few games as a true c.m. chelsea. liverpool. man city.no wins.his record is there for you to view.its horrendas against big teams .he will never get another job like he has now. but he has the gift of the gab.so looks like your stuck with him.AND THIS IS NOT SOUR GRAPES.

22 Sep 2013 17:18:19
Well well said it from day one our tranfers where shocking said we needed four or five players and got slated this is going tae happin when we come up against teams like that missed out on the bargain of the season in eriksen of spurs take a gid look woodward?

22 Sep 2013 17:13:20
Embarrassing is the only thing to say could b 6 or 7. What's our reaction to going 4 nil down. Bring on Tom cleverly.

I stopped watching after I saw Cleverley jump out of a tackle with Kompany. I couldn't care less how much bigger he is. I remember two footing year 11's when I was about 12!

22 Sep 2013 16:58:49
Why does Young get choosing to start? Our wingers are average at best and we have Zaha and he can't even get a minute. Last goal was a killer

Agreed, I have never understood, why we bought Young or why he gets picked. He is simply not good enough for United

22 Sep 2013 16:56:14
So we have two very exciting wide men in Zaha and Junusaj(sp) and who does Moyes field? Valencia and Young! Both are totally useless. City sign 5 very good players and we sign one, and doesn't it just show? We don't have a single midfielder with an idea in his head,,, Its embarrassing David! Does it mean more to us than you? FIX IT!!!

22 Sep 2013 16:49:43
Maybe next season we can build a team that can really compete for the EPL. 45 minutes, no goal attempt, no imagination and peolpe said that we didn't need Ozil.

I know some guys will find "Positives" thing to say or will use the December effect.

This is not pretty at all.

Nick86

There are no positives, we look are poor and WTF does Young do to get in the team.

We are players short as we know but this could end up badly.

Praying for a community shield type come back but can't see where from.

22 Sep 2013 17:13:57
United are looking and playing scared. What's the answer you ask, well according to Moyes it's Cleverly. Yikes

Spot on. Wrong choice would have been happier with Martinez as boss before moyes and that says it all. Why didn't we go for laudrop would have been perfect with his attacking philosiphy

22 Sep 2013 16:14:16
Really annoyed at the selection I wanted to see Kagawa step in behind Rooney and Welbeck on the left.

22 Sep 2013 15:39:35
{Ed002's Note - We don't discuss the subject Ryan.}

22 Sep 2013 15:26:56
Setting up for a draw is not going to win Moyes any admirers imo. Really disappointed in the team selection.

Why is this setting up for a draw? He is playing Welbeck up front and has swapped Young for Kagawa. How is that negative?

Playing Young on the left instead of Kagawa/ Nani is obviously more about his defensive abilities than attacking qualities. Same could argubaly be said about both Valencia and Welbeck

AJH, bc if you had ever watched a United match you'd know that playing Young and Valencia ensures that the best result possible is a draw, but most likely a loss. Can't throw away two positions on the field with such non-threatening, non-creating, non-defending players.

Cause wel beck and young are useless

It is negative because Young is ball bag. You name me another team in the top 4 of any top league that Young would get anywhere near the squad, let along first XI. Moyes is a top 6 manager, he will get results against lesser opposition, but put him against any top team and he reverts to negative, stop them play tactics. Very very poor.

RomanRunner

22 Sep 2013 15:12:49
Time for Rooney to really step up.

22 Sep 2013 15:09:29
NO RVP or Kagawa. Young and Welbeck instead.

22 Sep 2013 13:37:41
Just catching up, on yesterday's games. What was Mourinho thinking letting Lukaku go out on loan? The man is a beast and given they have Ba and Torres and the ageing Eto'o the decision was very strange. And what a top bloke Baines is, a real shame we didn't get him.

Chelsea may be top but they don't convince. I think if teams go for them they will struggle.

And hats off to Brucie for a great win up in Newcastle

And forgot to mention, Di Canio, what a complete loon