Manchester United Banter Archive June 23 2014

 

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23 Jun 2014 21:10:53
Here is a question, are we(utd fans) too quick to bash our players? are we too honest about their ability

By this I mean that I have Liverpool friends who will agree whole heartedly with me that cleverly and young are useless but will fight me every step of the way when I suggest that Henderson and lucas(for example)are average! Are we giving up our players to be bashed too easily or should we (like Liverpool fans do )stick up for even our worst player's more than we do? (it also leads to uneven banter between us too as they never give an inch where as we aknowledge mediocrity in our squad mostly)

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23 Jun 2014 21:29:37
I think u will find Liverpool fans are even far more worse than most for bashing there own players and staff.

Im happy being a United fan and honestly think Liverpool fans are some of the worst going, but i'm sure they will say the same bout us lol

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IMO you can not argue football with a Pool fan, they are never wrong and are very bias against MAN UTD, they are open to discussion with any other team though.

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Theres nothing wrong with criticising players when they have had a long spell of poor performances and deserve it. I hate blind loyalty, you should always try and formulate your own opinion. The thing that annoys me is the opinions made up over watching a player for 90 minutes and hounding the Ed's "Are we interested in him?" or likewise, someone has a bad game and they're public enemy No.1 not fit to wear the jersey. that's the worst type of fan!

You'll find every club has their knee jerk reaction fans, some more than other. I think if you scroll back through the archives from the last year, particularly because we were so poor, you'll find every single player in the squad bar De Gea would have been sold by the posters. We've been fairly critical but over a longer period. The Liverpool lads tend to be more knee-Jerk!

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I put it down to some kind of hallucinogenic in the water on Merseyside.

There's no other explanation for such mass delusion.

Makes for good fun though, listening to the mickeys; how they're going to win the league/champions league every year.

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I agree mumbles but that is my point, we seem to be more willing to admit our player's are average than they are, even though they have even more average players than we do, one good season and suddenly they have 8 world class players!even when we were winning leagues and reaching champs league finals we would say we have 5-6 world class player's max!

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23 Jun 2014 21:01:18
Alright, who do you think will be the last surviving player of manchester united at the WC?

My pick would be. evra.

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23 Jun 2014 21:30:25
Messi ;-)

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23 Jun 2014 21:37:30
rvp

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NANI
lol

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23 Jun 2014 22:54:23
Robben, Schweinstiger, Hummels, Di Maria and Herrera

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100% RVP

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23 Jun 2014 20:04:45
You can call it cynical, you can call it anti football but one thing is certain it was effective and got the job done. So far this tournament Van Gaal has played various systems and tactics and they have all worked. can't wait to see what he employs for Man U and hopefully it will have the same effect.

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Anti football is way too harsh a word here. If that's anti football then what is sam allardyce's play and what was JM's inter vs barca?

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23 Jun 2014 21:33:25
effective/ tactical/ robust but not anti football. there are many ways to win a game of football Holland have shown us 3 different ways in a week each time setting up to nullify the opposition with a view to countering at pace. He has not got the players to go toe to toe with Chile so he found another way to play with the players at his disposal that's what good coaches do. Top class game management not anti football.

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Top class manager. A manager who can adapt to different tactical situations.

In short - a top manager who is soon to take over our great club.

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Sorry my anti football comment was a reference to a commentator referring to the over aggressive (in there opinion) failing in the game. I too would take that next year as the passion would be in stark contrast to this year.

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23 Jun 2014 19:59:03
Here is one that I'd ask you to keep an open mind on.
For some time I have had the feeling that Valencia could play a central midfield role, he has a lot of the attributes that LVG likes his midfielders to have. Could he do with Tony V what he did with schweinztiger?

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23 Jun 2014 20:18:07
Hmmm no, he's very one footed and lacks the positional sense to play that role at the highest level.

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23 Jun 2014 20:35:48
agree with the one footed but short passing is very different to crossing. but i'm not sure schwiney had the positional sense of a midfielder when he started there, in fact had never played centrally even as a schoolboy, I was reading an interview with him and at first he thought LVG was mad but he found it easy to understand due to what he called effective communication from his coach.

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Valencia has played a central midfield role for Ecuador on a number of occasions and he simply isn't good enough! If this is our hope for the future then we are in trouble! The fact is we haven't got enough quality in the centre mid position and we need to buy not convert!

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23 Jun 2014 19:41:19
Please eds I beg you, tell us we are not going to bid for Nigel de Jong. He did not exactly set the world alight when he was at City.

I have concerns when we are being linked to de Jong, vermalen and a raft of other average players. We all know it is quality we need.

If guarin has opted to go to juve (if you believe the media), does that mean someone is leaving? Potentially an amazing Chilean midfielder?

Please enlighten us in these dark days. Only 7 days to go and the window will be open.

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23 Jun 2014 20:30:40
There are players who do specific jobs in LVG's set up. IMO lvg would like other options but if they don't materialise then De Jong is a player he knows and trusts to fill this particular role and he does it well. Not ideal but for 6m not the worst option WC finalist and still in this one doing his job and allowing others to do what they are good at. He is a players player not a supporters player. He would do a good job for a couple of years until LVG either develops or buys the ideal candidate

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23 Jun 2014 19:09:13
Memphis depay looks a real talent never heard of him till this world cup. Hope were interested in him.

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If we could get him for say, 15million, I'd much prefer him to Young, Nani or Valencia.

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23 Jun 2014 19:47:10
He looks like a great prospect probably a little further on in terms of experience and physique, If LVG asks he to join us I think he would, if LVG does not ask him to join then there will be a good reason.
Adnan IMO has more potential

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23 Jun 2014 13:30:55
Any interest in the young Bosnian lad, Besic? Whispers of premier league clubs interested, is that the case? He looks a baller to me

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Strettford

My old man to used to go on and on about how George best was the greatest footballer ever. Like you I have seen many clips and the 68 cup final v beneficial. But maradona was the greatest I saw in my era twice a good players Messi is.
And he said that George best was the greatest ever. That's good enough for me.

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23 Jun 2014 11:04:51
are there any older man utd fans on here that were around when george best was playing? before my time so I've only seen clips of him and seen the full game of the 1968 cup european cup game, my old man says george best would be the best player in the world today for sure with todays light balls, fields like snooker tables and defenders not allowed to tackle etc. he's biased towards the that era though so i'd like an unbiased view if thers anyone out there that was around back then.

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I was around, and your old man is wrong.George was way better than that. Playing for NI he took Scotland apart single handedly, and destroyed some of the best defences in the world. It's impossible for anyone to overrate George. For me, still the greatest player ever!

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The main factor would be his mentality. To succeed in this era may require a level of personal discipline that GB could never have maintained. Or not. perhaps in this age, where the cult of personality is ubiquitous, it would have been possible to prevent him from falling foul of his demons.

He had amazing talent. He could dribble, pass, he had vision and could create and score. He could make defenders commit themselves or even fall over with the jink of a shoulder. And because he was a complete footballer, his skills would most likely have have transcended the tactical shifts in the game since the 1960s.

If he came back today and applied himself I'm sure he would have been right up there with the very best. With discipline, and the protection finesse players receive today, maybe his star would have shone at the top of the tree for longer than it did. And of course we would be able to analyze and enjoy every goal he ever scored or set up because it would all be archived.

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OT7, how can he be much better than being the best player in the world?

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Believe'
Because he was "out of this world."
Patrick

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Yes, I was around in the days of Best and Law and Charlton. Law was a fantastic predator an Charlton was immensely influential, but Best was the most talented, innovative and exciting to watch. He would have thrived today. However, it is very, very sad not just for him but for United too. He destroyed his playing career because of his wild drinking and late nights before matches. I suspect that his antics would not have been tolerated by Fergie and certainly not by for Van Gaal.
Red Setter

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Would he have been able to score the volume of goals that Cristiano & Messi do though?

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Easily Believe. There is a whole universe out there ;-)

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Believe, George scored a lot of goals when 'wingers' were usually responsible for assisting more than scoring. Two footed and great in the air, he scored from anywhere, and he was a great showman. All before step overs and Cruyff turns too!

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23 Jun 2014 17:37:44
I said before, I think George would have played more today as he wouldn't be the only global superstar.

Back then, he was the first. Nobody would have known how to cope with that level of fame, as there was no precedent.

The best I've ever seen, and I only saw him in his twilight years - still head and shoulders above his younger opponents.

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Stretfordender Best had the skills to be better than anyone I truly believe he would have made Messi look onlg a good footballer.
Saying that mentally he wouldn't apply himself as he said he spent all his money on wine women and song, the rest he wasted, pretty much summed him up
Sir Matt said he could play any position including goalkeeper

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23 Jun 2014 19:12:36
Watch this goal, this was when George Best was well passed it.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U2HWUbFGHMU

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I was lucky enough to see George at OT live just the once. I was young, sat in South stand and it was something magical. Georgie was perfectly two footed, could head, had pace and scored goals at a time when lumps were kicked out of players and the pitches were horrendous beyond belief. The one thing that struck me about him was the most incredible balance.
I didn't see enough of him live. Whilst he was the complete footballer I may not be popular saying this but Ronaldo has the edge for me. It isn't just the skill but also the dedication and longevity. Perhaps also I felt a little let down by George as he was our dream player who messed us about.
Georgie was a boys idol who retired before his prime yet was the most amazing player who had it all. We admire Ronaldo but all wanted to be the one and only Georgie Best

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23 Jun 2014 20:12:29
Best by name best by nature all that needs to be said

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23 Jun 2014 20:37:24
I was not about in that era, but here from people a little older shall we say. Quite a few state that Duncan Edwards was the best they had ever seen, but tragically his life and talent were cut short. They say that if he had lived to play more, then he was the number 1.

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23 Jun 2014 10:18:37
Barcelona no longer in the running for mangala and its between us and Chelsea with the player(apparently)prefering a move to us, he is exactly what we need and is the type we should go for ahead of the bargain basement martins indi's and garays of this world.

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23 Jun 2014 11:36:19
He is exactly what we need.

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I distinctly remember one of his interviews in which he stated he would prefer London to Manchester though.

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Him and w carvalho would go a long way to solving our obvious deficiencies, add shaw(or Rodriguez) and a depay(or someone similar)and I think we would all be happy, not to unrealistic either

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Why hasn't Carvalho featured for Portugal? Is he injured or something?

As for Mangala, it would seem that the French manager rates Sakho higher.

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23 Jun 2014 01:11:37
Anyone know much about a quality player I saw tonight, Luis nani I think his name was, scored a cracking goal, looks like exactly what we need.

I noticed he had a star shaved into his head, was probably meant to be a cross but he made the wrong decision.

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I can't handle this amount of banter.

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Nani is absolutely shocking for a player who has been playing for Manchester United for the length of time he has. Hasn't improved at all.

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Same player who miscontrolled every ball, gave the ball away all the time!? Though I must say, he was excellent in second half.

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You have to be on a wind up gds, other than the goal and 1 other shot which hit the post he was shocking and gave the ball away time after time.hes had his chance

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23 Jun 2014 11:35:12
Could my post have been any more obviously a wind up? I give up on banter, think I will stick to serious conversation from now on.

Thanks G.A.G.U.S for appreciating it, at least somebody did!

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Nani was outstanding last night. Such a good player. I think he's up there with Ronaldo, Messi, Reus, Bale, Neymar and Di Maria.

All hail Luis Nani!

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Yes I think most caught it GDS as it would be an almost impossibility for Nani to be anygood full stop

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Nani's confidence must be shot to pieces. The guy has talent; but he lacks consistency.

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23 Jun 2014 20:27:52
I found it more funny how people didn't clock the sarcasm rather than the original post.

Tell you what though, that Ronaldo fella looked decent, eds, any interest in him from us?

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23 Jun 2014 00:40:49
V impressed with wiliam carvalho strong, fast, always seems to have time on the ball, good in the tackle and also seems like a decent passer, think we should snap him up

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1st time I've seen him play, looked very good in a very poor portugese team

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I think he proved last night with his quick thinking, quick passing and good tackling that he could sit in the number 6 role for MU. But he would be an expensive option.

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He is a beast with not only great strength but also a great touch and decent range of passing(which is rare), he is probably an achievable option too so this is why I think we should go all out for him

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Roonbest, I was impressed by his control, how composed he was on the ball and how accurate his passing was. Will definitely keep an eye on him during the Ghana game.

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LOL, shows you how much I pay attention. I didn't even notice him playing.

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23 Jun 2014 19:31:50
Here is an idea, swap deal fellani and Anderson to Porto plus a big bag of euros with young William carvalho coming the other way. Sound like a good idea?

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Huggy you can throw in cleverly and young too and it'll still be a winner for us lol

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