Manchester United Banter Archive June 23 2015

23 Jun 2015 23:04:55
Looks like Firmino is Liverpool bound. Very good player but honestly we are overloaded with players in the same ilk and had we signed him it would have meant less game time for young players.
I think we need a centre back, central midfielder, right back and forward of more urgency.
I think Lvg knows what he's doing and could be a few shocks.

24 Jun 2015 08:05:59
Totally agree. let's hope you are right!

24 Jun 2015 08:30:32
Someone mentioned yesterday that by buying firmino we could potentially block the progress of players like Wilson and januzaj. So I'd rather see what these two can do beforemember we invest in attacking players .

24 Jun 2015 09:45:47
We have got two potentially great strikers waiting in the wings in Henriquez and Wilson these kids could be goalmachines I think LVG should take both on tour before wasting money on a striker of similar ilk like Harry kane who would be number 2 to Rooney anyway who IMO should be sold were starting to get predictable with him up front we need pace and power

23 Jun 2015 21:40:41
Firmino to liverpool then, shame really as he looks a good prospect, a good buy for them.

23 Jun 2015 22:37:41
Sly Spurts are just as unreliable as the red tops mate. According to Sly Spurts they're about to make their 4th, 5th and 6th signing of the summer and we're not even into the international window yet.

23 Jun 2015 22:45:19
Im not going to lose sleep over it if i'm honest we have more than enoigh attscking players, and if buying him would have ment players like januzi, wilson and perera(spelling) don't get as many games then i'm glad we havent.

23 Jun 2015 22:59:42
Why do we keep missing out on these great talents?? Sack LVG NOW!!!

23 Jun 2015 23:02:34
Wasn't Memphis on his way to Liverpool a month or so back too!?!?

23 Jun 2015 23:57:40
Hello one and all posters readers and eds. First time poster here been reading for long time though and love all the banter and rumours transfer time is the best though. Doubt i will post much seem to have more fun reading as many times as can get on here in the day. anyways i am not worried about players arriving at the our fantastic club. There seems to be a few worriers on here the club know who they want and will do all in there power to get said players in. we will prob be shocked somewhere along the line. we will also more than likely get one or two out of the 200 plus we been linked too. It prob not that many lol but sure seems like it. so let's keep the faith. I REMEMBER my mate 99 champ league final about 12 of us in the hollywood pub edgerley stockport. me in my black green trim around neck. big burnt iron hole in it because for some reason decided to iron it that night, but still wore it because never lost a game when wore that shirt. Anyway getting of subject here. thing is its getting near end of match, there putting munich ribbons on cup my head is in hands i saying can't believe it and my mate says keep the faith. We score CELEBRATE SO BAD IN THAT PUB CHAMPAGNE FLYING ABOUT. IT WAS AN AMAZING FEW SECONDS THAT FELT LIKE A LOT LOT LONGER, AND AS YOU PROB REALIZED BY NOW MISSED THE ALL IMPORTANT WINNING SECOND GOAL. BUT GUESS WHAT WHO CARES. THAT FEELING FROM GUTTED TO ESSTATIC WAS PRICELESS.KEEP THE FAITH BOYS AND GIRLS AS MY MATE ONCE SAID TO ME

{Ed007's Note - Welcome to the site, Tosh.}

24 Jun 2015 00:23:29
Cheers Ed007

24 Jun 2015 08:32:21
Nice post.

23 Jun 2015 13:45:49
Quite an open ended question.

We are linked with at least 5 players from Real Madrid: Ronaldo, Bale, Ramos, Benzema and Varane. We could easily be linked with Modric and Coentrao too as well as Carvajal.

Will we actually sign anyone from Real Madrid this summer? I don't think we will get any of them but they will get De Gea for sure.

23 Jun 2015 13:52:02
I don't see why they should get De Gea for sure. If 13milis what they are offering, I'd rather keep him for a year and let him go for free. He could be the difference between winning the title and not.

Dortmund made Lewandowski stay. Why can't we do that with De Gea?

23 Jun 2015 14:20:14
De Gea won't be sold without any movement from Madrid, IMO. We don't need the money for the lad. We can afford to keep him another year and let him move on for free next season, where other clubs might become interested.

23 Jun 2015 15:00:33
Lets all stop being silly now.

De Gea WILL leave for a minimal amount of money, we're not the type of club to keep players against their will, he wants out, it's as simple as that.

Madrid always get their man and will get their man, they hold all the cards here, they know if they don't get him this year they will have him next year for nothing and that might even suit them better. A year for a club is nothing.

We won't get a player in exchange because not only are Real Madrid on a different level to us at the moment but they also don't NEED to offer anyone in exchange.

Madrid will get De Gea for under £20 Million and that'll be that.

23 Jun 2015 15:22:39
@Jose Moonrinho

The clubs negotiating tactics regarding De Gea so far don't reflect the kind of defeatist attitude that you seem to have. Provided one of the said Madrid players wants the move, we will get one of them I think.

We have no need to sell De Gea right now and certainly aren't a club in need of cash from the sale. If he is to leave it will have to be a significant cash offer or a player coming in the other direction. The club will look at the low balled offers and think "we'd rather keep him than let him leave for a pittance". He may well need to make a transfer request and make it ugly and I'm not sure he is prepared to do that.

23 Jun 2015 15:47:48
We will hold out for a while, I think £20 million given his contract situation will be seen as okay by the club. That money will be reinvested in a keeper who actually wants to be here like Lloris.

We won't keep a number 1 keeper that has his mind elsewhere.

23 Jun 2015 15:48:03
The truth is that Madrid need a new keeper more than we need to sell. If Madrid think they can sign our reigning player of the season for less than £20m, regardless of what is left on his contract, they're being silly. If De Gea stays, he will act like a professional because he doesn't want to spend a year on the bench. If his performances are anything like the last few seasons, he could be difference between us winning a trophy, or getting through to the latter stages of the ECL. This is worth more than the money Madrid have purportedly been touting.

Madrid can put pressure on De Gea to hand in transfer requests, but the fact of the matter is that he has a contract with us for another year. If he is that important to Madrid, they will stump up a fair fee, like with did with RVP. If not then we are under no obligation to sell a player for a lower value because they want to move. In the same way that De Gea doesn't owe us a new contract, we don't owe him a cheap move home.

And I don't for a second think we will get any Madrid player in a swap.

23 Jun 2015 15:49:17
No matter how much money we have heads will roll if opportunities to make money are not taken. The reason we have money is there are people that do their best to make it for the club, ergo why would we let a commodity worth £15m+ see out his contract when we could get that money? It doesn't make sense commercially.

We have a less happy player in a key position, we lose £15m and we can replace him now with several keepers who could do just as good or near to as good a job, who will be committed. We are about to re-build our defence, it makes sense to have the lynch pin secured long term.

Obviously if this was a game then it wouldn't matter, but in real life £15m is a lot of money to shareholders and some accountant who doesn't know anything about football is responsible for signing off on these things, or reporting incompetence!

If he wants to go, ship him out now so we can focus on building the team from the back and not having constant upheaval, unsettling everything.

23 Jun 2015 15:50:56
Jose, since Fergie's era ended, a lot has changed at the club, can you really be sure of the type of club we are presently?

23 Jun 2015 16:58:13
If it is true that we signed DdG for £17.8 million thereabouts then he should go for at least 10 mil more!

23 Jun 2015 17:43:16
We have a new manager and a new chief executive and since Woodword took over he hasn't shown anything to back up that he will sell De Gea for a pittance all for the sake of making 13 million quid. LvG might think he's worth more than the 13 million on the table and other areas are priority. I think De Gea would be a consummate professional and give his all if we decided to keep him for another year.

23 Jun 2015 18:03:19
I think most of you are seeing things from a slightly tinted point of view.

I don't have a defeatist attitude REDFAITH, I just don't care whether he leaves or not, he's a very talented goalkeeper but he isn't the only decent keeper around.

United hold nothing here, do you look at Sterling and go Liverpool hold everything? No of course you don't because the player wants to leave.

De Gea wants out, it's clear as day and he will force that move through one way or another, the club won't risk upsetting the dressing room when we've got a very good goalkeeper in Valdes still at the club who can take over.


MBD, I do actually think we've become worse so to speak, every transfer since Ferguson left has been in some regards embarrassing in terms of fee. Fellaini £28M, Mata £38M, Shaw £30M, Di Maria £60M, etc. not to mention the wages.

It shows an attitude that we're willing to do whatever it takes to get our man granted, but if the player wants to leave then what is the point in keeping him?

Whether it's £10M, £0, or £40M the money makes no difference to what the club will and won't spend.

Get rid of him and put more effort into player who want to come to the club and who we're trying to sign.

23 Jun 2015 18:18:19
Lads we signed RVP for 20mil plus, Arsenal knew we wanted him and got the best money that could be got. We should be holding out for at least 20 Mil for DDG. If we don't get that or get a player in return we should just keep him and let him go next year. Real run that risk of maybe losing him to someone else.

23 Jun 2015 19:42:39
Guys, why do you think united signed Valdez earlier on, when they shouldn't have? because they know the de gea situation will linger on this way. They expected it and the club is ready for it. Like it or not, Valdez will be united number one keeper next season and de gea won't go for cheap too. United will hold on for the maximum fee from de gea and this is no joke because the truly prepared for it. Wheather the make loss in keeping de gea or gain in selling him now is up to de gea and Real Madrid. Make no mistake united won't sell de gea for anything less than 20 pounds.

23 Jun 2015 19:50:29
Although I think DDG will be used in exchange for a Madrid player.

My view, as I said before, I hate a player who is contracted holding the club to ransom (yes that's Rooney too). I would love the club to make an example of him, it would be for the greater good in terms of future player anarchy. At the very least this would push his worth up. I don't care for 'modern professionalism'. Taking a club like manchester united for a ride should not be optional for any player, we are not a stepping stone. He should sign the contract, develope more and learn to direct his defence like a truly world class keeper. And then we will get top whack like we should for him. Or if not stay.
Modern professional my arse. It's statements like that help footballers and their agents walk all over us.
The shareholders etc will get their money's worth, as players won't make a mockery of our club to the same extent as recent years have shown. Commercially we are on top of world football, so we should show the world we are no pushovers and are here to stay.

I'd swap him for Lloris in a heatbeat, the ability to organise your defence is worth more to a team than a reflex shot stopper.

Rant over 😥😰😆

23 Jun 2015 20:15:50
We are too money driven to turn down 13 million for a player who wants to leave, can you really see the Glazers saying no to that income when we have a replacement at the club already?

23 Jun 2015 20:34:08
They can stick the £13m where the sun don't shine IMO.

😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈

23 Jun 2015 20:55:21
You guy so gullible to believe the 13 mill figure reported by the bs publication. He will not be going anywhere unless there is a substantial offer.

23 Jun 2015 21:30:30
I'd like to see us go for £10-15 million + De Gea for Ramos. He will leave, if not this year then next so we may as well use him while he is such a desirable asset.

23 Jun 2015 22:39:10
Fresh, Sergio Ramos has the best PR team ever, this is greatest work to get a new contract I've ever seen with dozens of media outlets reporting a deal.

GCU, He'll go for less than we paid for him imo. Perhaps you are gullible for thinking the club will keep an unhappy player?

24 Jun 2015 07:13:26
Who said he was unhappy moonrinho?

24 Jun 2015 08:13:36
Mourinho

The site is full of gullible post at the moment and this happens every window and then people disappear. He will go more than we paid for him, do you want to wager on that:) a lot more as well.

You seem to forget how this works, unhappy as you claim, which he has always said he loves the place and very happy, if a player wants to move the buying club/s have to meet a certain criteria of the selling club. If we went based on your theory there would a be few hundred player going for a peanuts to other clubs because they want a move. In reality its the farthest thing from it.

Based on your theory, Sterling who has said he wants out should go for 10 million then assuming he is worth 30:)

We should be able to get Lioris for 10 million too because he has made a lot more statements indicating he wants out :)

24 Jun 2015 09:05:49
Ddg will go for around £20m. He is worth more to us than that and will be to RM. Reality is he has 1 year on his contract and wants to go there for family reasons.
It may get dressed up so as to not lose face with another player involved but realistically it will be £20m.
Without the injury I think Forster would have been tempting, Lloris works be great and Cillison makes,sense. Just don't expect us to make money out of the saLe and purchase (unless we buy no one and stick with valdes and lindegard)

24 Jun 2015 14:52:36
DDG wil go for more than 20 million. It seems like players are going to move for much higher numbers than being reported. Firmino and Martinez seem to confirm that.

Hoping City put a stupid big offer in for Sterling LOL, that will sort them out for a window or 2.

23 Jun 2015 11:58:38
I posted yesterday about Hernandez potentially heading to Athletico Madrid, but it didn’t get posted. Now one of English papers is reporting it (can’t remember which one it was), also Fox Sports. I suspect both are following the original Facebook rumour I spotted.

But it got me thinking. If he were to go to Athletico Madrid, could he be used in a player exchange deal? I realise player exchanges don’t happen often, but they are a bit of a media favourite at the moment i.e.: Ramos / De Gea

So, who would you take from Athletico Madrid?

1. Oblak? The papers have linked us with him. I don’t know much about him. Is he any good?
2. Miranda? Again the papers have linked us with him, not so much this summer. I reckon he is too old.
3. Koke? Quality player, but Chelsea seem to be sniffing around. Has he signed a new contract?
4. Griezman? Would probably cost a small fortune. Bayern is probably his most likely destination.

Is there anyone else? Is there any chance of any of them coming? (preferably either of Koke or Griezman)

23 Jun 2015 12:14:33
Not that I think it would happen but Godin is obviously a beast and there is a young defender Giminez or Jiminez who I think will be a real star. Also Saul Niguez in midfield is a top talent.

Some real good players at Atletico at the moment .

23 Jun 2015 12:15:38
Diego godin

23 Jun 2015 12:43:34
No one!

23 Jun 2015 12:47:12
Godin, Koke or Saul

23 Jun 2015 12:51:29
I don't rate Miranda and am not a huge fan of Godin. Not sure why, there's just something that puts me off.

I'd happily see Koke come in, and Griezmann, maybe even Juanfran.

Atletico are a strange one, they aren't a great team of individuals, but they are a great team.

23 Jun 2015 12:56:32
Does anyone else think the Manzukic sale was pretty cheap? I don't rate him that highly, it just surprises me how little he went for £13m I read! Italian teams don't half get some bargains.

23 Jun 2015 13:01:28
Fresh are you joking? Miranda and Godin are absolute guns.

23 Jun 2015 13:37:41
Miranda just went to Inter Milan. Fresh, good point about what a great team they are. Definitely more than the sum of their parts.

23 Jun 2015 13:44:11
I get the feeling that the two compliment each other so well and that is why they are so good. I think each on their own would be lacking in something.

23 Jun 2015 14:20:47
I hadn't considered Godin.

Fresh, good shout on the "better then the sum of their parts". That is definitely the case.

Simone has definitely built a powerful team.

23 Jun 2015 11:31:36
Anything new to report on Firmino? I see a lot of scousers getting giddy that he's joining them. I would expect he'd want champions league football. The Liverpool link however is gathering pace.I do hope we beat them to him.

23 Jun 2015 12:48:11
I'm same as you Irwin, another one up on the Scousers would be great!

23 Jun 2015 12:54:58
Twitter is going mad that he has signed for Liverpool. But the exact same happened with Sanchez so who knows.

23 Jun 2015 19:27:31
I just hope Firmino doesn't go to pool? I'd like Peireira gets a chance, but Firmino and pool don't sit right with me? Seems like one missed? Let's hope it's like the Sanchez situation last year eh?

23 Jun 2015 01:08:47
Jesse Lingard:
"I've always wanted to play for Manchester United and that's still my ambition." Lingard seems to be a good player and a good lad. Tough break last season with his injury after a bright start.

I am rooting for him to do well, but there will be a lot of competition for places on the wings. I have been impressed with his attitude, work rate and ability to shoot. I haven't been able to see more of his qualities. Does he have a good shot to break in to the first team this year?

23 Jun 2015 07:35:30
With the players at his position i don't think he will get much game time. I would rather see him loaned so that he has a better sale on value

23 Jun 2015 09:07:23
On the Tour two years ago, (I Posted this back then also) my sister in law was in a coffee shop in Sydney and overheard people in Man United tracksuits(She said they were older and not players) talking about someone called Jesse, Now the only reason she was listening is my daughter is called Jessie and this spiked her curiosity.

They essentially said he will be very very good but will never reach the Cristiano level or the level the very top players reach, now this was under the Moyes regime so maybe louis' advisors and coaches think something different but he was looked on positively under Moyes but who knows now, but with the right attitude he will go far.

23 Jun 2015 09:13:29
zidaniel,

Unfortunately, as much as I would like him to, because as you say, he seems like a good lad and he wants to play for the club, I have a feeling he is like you say only a 'good' player who isn't quite going to make it at a top team.

If he could improve, which obviously is still possible, then he could have a shot but I have a feeling he is not going to quite be good enough, he could possibly be a squad player at best but we may have to let him go to a lower premier league side in order for him to get games and fulfil any potential.

23 Jun 2015 09:41:49
I rate Lingard and think he could be a good squad player for us but I honestly think his best chance was last season. We'd had such a terrible season before and we had lots of injuries at the beginning of last season. Unfortunately he was one of them.

Since the the first game of last season we have seen new signings like Di Maria and Depay, as well as players getting back to form such as Young and Fellaini. The positions Lingard is most effective are currently occupied by these players and it looks like we want to continue to strengthen.

It is a shame but it's very rare that a player is going to come through the ranks at the age of 22 at a club of United's size. While that is still young, generally they have either made it into the first team by that age or they have/will be let go. I'd like to see him given the chance because he played well out on loan last year and the last couple of pre seasons he's looked good.

23 Jun 2015 11:05:41
Probably best to keep him as a squad player. With all the strengthening we need to make and a limited amount of top class home growns to fill them, it makes sense to keep some HG players at the club.

Rafael & Evans likely to go.

Jones needing a new contract and possibly being sold (no rumour just theory).

Rooney, Carrick, Young all reaching or in their 30's. We have a serious lack of top quality home grown players for the next 3-5 years - possible problem.

23 Jun 2015 12:54:48
Beast,

You might be right about the HG players, it is a bit worrying though that the homegrown rule is supposed to mean that English players get to play at the top level, but I would imagine a lot of them will be signed or kept on just to make up the numbers and not actually get regular game time, which takes away from the whole idea in the first place.

This is not a dig at you Beast obviously, just a lead on from your post about something that worries me a little. I guess if you aren't bothered about English players doing well then it's not really an issue, but I am a proud Englishman who supports the national team as well so it would be nice to see more English players at the top level.

23 Jun 2015 13:31:12
Thanks for the input, guys. I will be rooting for Lingard but my gut feeling as well was that it will not be easy.

23 Jun 2015 15:53:38
Didn't scholesy say a couple of years ago on the Pre season tour of Asia that he's like a young iniesta or Xavi with his passing and vision? Pretty special if the one and only paul Scholes is saying that about you, I like that he's pretty versatile he can play left or right wing, false 9, attacking midfielder and showed he can do a decent job at RWB. I've always thought he's always had a very small frame but I suppose that doesn't stop special players like silva and mata.

23 Jun 2015 17:54:12
Thought Lingard showed some good signs in pre season but injury came and he didn't get the chance to shine- fancy he will be loaned out tbh but looking at the situation re newcastle and the maclaren link to us; with Ashley being a tight arse and newcastle needing a full team to stay up could, evans, rafael powell etc be the answer to their problem and save our wage bill and possibly bed some youngun's in? Similarities to bruce at s'land buying a couple and bringing a couple on loan ?