Manchester United Banter Archive January 24 2014

 

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24 Jan 2014 23:54:55
Ed, do you see our Shaw bid as an attempt to price Chelsea out of a deal? Shaw seems adamant he would rather join Chelsea.

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you mean.}

24 Jan 2014 23:42:43
Ed is there any chance we could get vidal now? Juve seems very interested in nani so might aswell grant them nani not many will be to sad about the fact that we getting a really quality Cm for a very wastefull winger? DM let's get vidal & prove to everyone you are the CHOOSEN ONE:) believe in Moyes & his boys

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24 Jan 2014 23:36:09
002, I know with all this Michael Owen nonsense we all have Vidal/Gundogan in our minds. In your honest opinion do you see either of these two at Manchester United come February 1st 2014?

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

24 Jan 2014 23:34:57
Telegraph are reporting Rooney will re-sign a new long term deal worth £300K a week in the near future. Perhaps this was what Michael Owen was tweeting as "more good news" for United fans given they are good mates.

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I can't see how the club baulk at 'high' transfer fees yet give such huge wages to players, especially one who has 2-3 more good years in him! The fees extortionate which says a lot about the player to be honest Surprised he hasn't been linked with every club under the sun again to increase it even more

Would rather sell him and use the money to fund someone like Vidal who would command about half that wage!

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How is 300k a week good news for our club. you must be joking.

That puts him in the top 5 best paid players on the globe and I would argue he is not even a top 5 best strikers. I hope it is not true and for 300k a week I hope someone else flips the bill.

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It doesn't really work like that, that's why the Ed says it's better not to discuss finances.

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Bennett, How about we keep Rooney and also buy Vidal? We don't need to sell players to generate funds for new players and why would we sell one of our best players when we can sign him to a long term contract?

Who cares if its 300k a week?

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I wouldn't believe the numbers you read in the papers.
Andy green has blogged in the past that Rooney is on 160 a week not the reported 250

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GDS

How exactly does it not work like that?

Whatever way you want to word it he is going to get paid extortionate money when frankly he is not worth it.

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Are we paying Rooney's salary directly out of our bank accounts? No, so would you rather the money went into Rooney's pocket or the Glazer's pocket?

We do not have to sell Rooney unless he wants to leave. I say give him a new deal, keep him fit and make sure he stays fit, then in 2-3 years sell him.

Rooney will not be able to play at a high level deep into his 30's, but for now he is playing well and he is still one of our best players. Buy first, sell later.

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DD

We are not paying it out of our bank accounts? Worth it? Was Bale worth what he got sold for? Was Herrera worth triggering his buyout clause? We also have a problem with our club not forking out the extra few millions to get players. It can't be both ways. Keeping our best players
is what I would want our club to do. As it is the Glazers haven't done us a lot of favours. And Wayne Rooney is a massively important cog in the wheel for our club from a commerical standpoint. He ends up earning the club more than what he costs.

Deeps.

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24 Jan 2014 23:34:45
Haven't posted on here for a very long time, but still keep up to date every day.

I think I now understand where we are weakest, and I will gladly explain it.

If you think of other top teams, City, Chelsea, Arsenal, PSG, Real, Barca, Juve, Bayern and Dortmund. they all have a first XI which picks itself week in and week out (depending on injuries ofcourse).

We, on the other hand don't. bar right-back, who is our 3 other defenders each match that we can say "These are our best two by far". and likewise with midfield, who are our strongest midfielders?

All other top teams have a first team which picks itself, we don't. We chop and change our team every match.

De Gea, Rafael, Januzaj (based on this season), Rooney, RVP. 5 players, who we could -with confidence- say our the best we have in those positions. Mata will no be included in that list. We have our front 4, with Rooney out for a replacement in the summer hopefully. However, elsewhere MAJOR additions/improvements are needed.

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I'd strongly disagree. Whilst our first 11 is rather poor there are only really 2 or 3 spots up for grabs.

-----------RVP--------------
?(JANUZAJ)-ROONEY---VALENCIA
----CARRICK-----?-----------
EVRA---VIDIC----?----RAFAEL
------------DDG-------------

As you say - Januzaj is one of our best players atm and so left wing is pretty much his. The other cm spot is between Clev, Jones and Fellaini and most would suggest that Evans is our best CB (although Jones may be in with a shout).

It would be fair to say that our first 11 is poor - but it does more or less pick itself. Evra, for example, has been poor for a few seasons now but I doubt there's anyone who thinks Buttner or Fabio is a better option at the moment!

I'd say that Chelsea (LB + CDM), Arsenal (CM + CB) and Man city (CM + LB + CB) are all quite similar in terms of spots which are up for grabs. Even Bayern Munich's midfield is wide open - although that's down to a ridiculous array of talent to chose from!

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24 Jan 2014 23:29:35
If we signed mata, Vidal and shaw this window then this site would qualify for one of those new urls that end with .xxx!

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24 Jan 2014 23:00:33
Report we have made made e bid for Luke shaw

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24 Jan 2014 22:58:21
Anybody know where Marcellus went? Here Juan day, gone the next.

Oh well, no mata.

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Wow you deserve a Oscar for that line but be warned you venturing in hazardous waters anyway leave you to enjoy your mid table battles

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Haven't got a Kalou.

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Maybe Marcellus has gone to Cech if his Willian is still there?

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Awww. CFC, isn't that so nice, jumping in and defending your wee mate, So sweet :)

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Some one should Cech him out!

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24 Jan 2014 22:54:41
Luke shaw next according to the mirror

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24 Jan 2014 22:52:29
imagine if we can't agree personal terms with Mata haha oh god

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24 Jan 2014 22:36:23
If anyone is interested. Barcelona have disclosed the details of the Neymar deal and it is an eye opener to what actually goes on behind the scenes.

No wonder Ed002 does not like to get into financial discussions:)

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24 Jan 2014 22:40:52
Fan on the Liverpool site: 'Lucas moura has got to be worth a punt' haha love the stuff they come up with. They can dream.

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24 Jan 2014 22:39:20
David moyes seen taking notes on partrick herrmann kroos and shaqiri tonight. Maybe dante to but he's going for a attacking approach in mind. I feel vidal and shaqiri will be 2 signings that we will make. Herrman looks good to. Quick player but shaqiri maybe his man. Nani looks to be off to juventus.

Word is that young is going to be given a chance to prove himself and zaha will complete loan move to cardiff over weekend.

Plus least we know why mata hasn't completed his move today. Moyes looking for more players to improve squad

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According to Ed002, in one way or another, it was Xhaka we seemed to be monitoring.

But he had an absolute stinker. Kramer on the other hand didn't do himself much harm.

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24 Jan 2014 22:35:03
I do admire wenger's success, however it's a bit rich him making those comments since they sold us RVP last year KNOWING how much of an impact he would have, as well as offloading the likes of clichy toure adebayor and nasri to city and not to forget Ashley cole to Chelsea. Couldn't care less what pellegrini has to say, if he doesn't win the champions league in the next two or three years he'll probably get sacked for underachieving. On a positive note, what number do people reckon Mata will be? I've been at football and missed out on further updates haha

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His issue is that Mata will improve our chances against other teams around us whilst being unable to do any damage to Chelsea as we've played them twice this season - not that they've sold to a rival.

In a way I see his point - but there's nothing stopping Arsenal from strengthening this window as well. We could have signed Mata after our first game with Chelsea as that was before the summer window closed and I doubt anything would have been said then. You could argue the other way and say that Spurs were at a massive disadvantage as they did not have a chance to strengthen in time for their second game against us.

Swings and roundabouts. He's just nervous - and I don't blame him given Arsenal's tendency to collapse in the second half of the season!

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I do understand his point, but at the same time I've got to agree with what mourinho said in that Wenger always loves a good moan haha

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24 Jan 2014 22:25:23
Strong rumor that juve have accepted a cash deal for Vidal, but are still asking for nani to be included in the deal. As long as they value nani appropriately 7-13 mil) I'd jump at that chance. If they lowball on nani then pay the cash and sell nani to another club for cash. Either way, could be very good news for united if we can get Vidal this window. Fingers crossed.

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I'm liking that rumour.
We could manage with that,
concentrate on defence in the summer

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I think it would be an incredible signing and bigger that mata in many ways given his importance and standings in that team.

I am not optimistic but the only thing that gives me a glimmer of hope is that Juve's is trying to sign another CM.

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In some respect it wouldn't matter in the long term how much utd were to pay for vidal. Juventus current kit sponsers Nike end in 2015 with them switching to adidas, with utd sponsers being nike and nike having a big finacial hold in chile it would be cost effective and smart for utd to sign him and a big bargining point with nike to extend our relationship with nike. United also know this was themself having a big fan base in chile would me a high amount of merchandise sales there. signing now a day ain't just about the player its the money they can bring to the club and there image rights in said country

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24 Jan 2014 22:23:11
whats a MATA with Wenger and Pelergrini ;)))))))))))

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There will be nothing the mata when draxler & co rips you apart on 12 feb. Mata will not stop the middle of your midfield and defense getting ripped apart.

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Think draxler is out injured until March anyway

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24 Jan 2014 22:18:48
Deal pretty much done.
37 million and a top top player.
Many said it wouldn't happen, we won't spend big, we won't buy in jan, nobody decent will sign now we not in top 4.
We are still a massive club if we will spend big money then great players will arrive.
More to follow(lets hope vidal in jan)

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24 Jan 2014 21:01:24
Well done to the eds in the last couple of days especially ed002. I've only read a few of the posts talking to you as if you are expected to answer the same question repeatedly. I admire your patience and I certainly would'nt expect you to reply to every "mata deal done yet?" post over the weekend unless not completed by say the end of Monday but do you know of anyone with a strong chance of coming in this window, apologies if it's already been asked in the last couple of days but struggle to rtp's because a lot are falling off the end due to the heavy traffic. Many thanks eds again at this tough time of year;)

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{Ed002's Note - I can't answer "strong" Supersub but there is interest in a couple of players as I have explained.}

Vidal and filipe still?

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I second that to all the eds must have Been a trying couple of days on all sites thanks just in case no one has asked Do we have any interest in vidal of Juventus ;)

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{Ed004's Note - None at all ;) and your welcome}

24 Jan 2014 21:18:54
I got a sneeky feeling we are about
to buy Javi Martinez . He wasnt in
the Bayern squad again tonight and
i seem to remember DM making a comment
about him in the run in for the Champions
league final . He would be great for
us so let hope its him DM has gone
to speak to and not the ageing Dante.

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24 Jan 2014 21:10:17
confirmed by united that mata will sign subject to medical

happy days!

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Awesome signing! WELCOME JUAN MATA!
"o//O/o/~ There's only Juan Mata, only Juuuaan MaaaaataaaO/o//O/"

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Great signing.
A proven performer who may feel he has a little bit to prove?
I think £37m is a good price.

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24 Jan 2014 21:08:58
Juan mata confirmed. Great start to a new era.

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24 Jan 2014 19:02:46
Some say he's a highly knowledgeable football agent, who learned all his social skills from watching Martin Clunes in Doc Martin.
Others say she's a flame haired temptress, who makes Ed 007 hot under the sporran.
All we know is. they're called Ed 002! ;-)

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Ed2 is prolly the only trusted source on the Internet for me.
Hats off to him for dealing with us and for coming back to the United page

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Ed 002 is indeed a mysterious legend!

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24 Jan 2014 18:57:03
rumours surfacing again that RVP is unhappy and wants to leave because of the results so far this season.

1# he know this is moyes first season and is going to take time for whole team to gel and get to fighting form.
2# he's won the league once and wil win it again with utd.
3# signing matter shows him the intent that utd have to build a sucessful side and win more trophies.
4# he's been injured to a few months and he's not had the influance to win games so its out of his power, so why leave because your sides not winning and you not playing cause of ijury!? makes no sense to me does it to anyone else? supid reportters needing storys to fil colloms and pages in papers to earn the wage.

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24 Jan 2014 20:56:33
I'm an everton fan and struggle why united fans seem to write everton off for the 4th spot and then do not write of Liverpool or spurs, we've finished above Liverpool the last 2 years and in my opinion our teams are even bar suarez obviously?

Also I wanted to get uniteds thoughts on if they think fellaini will be a success at united long term?

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You are a better side than Liverpool without Suarez.

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Ryan, despite Everton performing admirably, they lack the quality that Liverpool and co possess.

Liverpool have better individual player, Tottenham have a significantly better squad, and we have both a larger squad and better players.

When going through a rough patch, Liverpool can rely on Suarez for inspiration and he can win games on his own.

Spurs have either better players or at least players of the same caliber all over the pitch. Their defense is just as good ( bar Baines ), their goal keeper is better, let's not get started on midfield and their attack has more class to it, especially when/ if Lamela finds his feet.

We have Rooney and Van Persie to rely on ( you can also count on Mata now ), our midfield is bad, obviouly but we till have more depth than you do. You have a more consistent defense atm, but it has more to do with our defenders not finding form than your own players.

Everton are dark horses to finish in the tp 4 imo.

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As for Fellaini, we'll see when he gets back. I'm personally not completely convinced with him, nor am I with Moyes, but he still has time on his side

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24 Jan 2014 21:20:13
cheers syd! it gets on my nerves that people write us off and don't realise were a good side. like ADZ-MCR said on a post I had on the Chelsea page that were a small club when infact were not and we have a lot of quality players.

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I hope you finish above them! Hate em. Hate city as well but can't see finishing above them. As far the second question! No!

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Everton are in great shape right now and Martinez has done well for you but IMHO a lack of strength in depth is why you may fall just short. Mind you, even grabbing 5th and having some European action next year would be a good achievement surely? Not that i'm writing you of 4th altogether, mind, just think it will be difficult.

On fellaini, I've never been convinced he is mobile enough for what we need, however I'm willing to give him some time to prove me wrong. As I said below Moyes knows him better than anyone.

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As u well know, Fellaini will be awesome for us.

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24 Jan 2014 20:49:07
It's nice to feel a slight lift of positivity on this site from the prospective signing (nothing confirmed yet so not going to count my chickens) of a genuine top quality player.

Anyway, going with the theme of positivity, whilst there are some major concerns over moyes' tenure at our club - and I won't pretend i'm 100% convinced although I will be patient and back him - I would like to point out one thing i'm happy with about David. I know, sue me! Some people label him as 'dithering' and you might see why but I'd prefer to think of it as 'thorough'. Who knows, maybe that's what SAF and the Glazer's saw in him, seeing as they seem to want to look long term?

The lengths he goes to in scouting a player and looking into all aspects of them, paired with many good signings he made at Everton on a limited budget, give me faith that he is capable of making at least some of the right signings we need going forwards. Mata sounds great, the whispers about Vidal, garay and Lb's even if they don't come off give me some faith that he is looking in the right directions. We cannot afford to get too many wrong like city/chelsea so I appreciate the patient approach even if, in the short term, it gets a bit painful.

I'm also glad the posts about moyes travelling around Europe as some kind of master illusion to pretend we're looking to buy players should stop(hopefully). That's silly imo, nobody at this level of the game has that much spare time on their hands, this is real life.

Moyes still has it all to prove but at the least he may provide the 1st step in building a quality squad, putting all his due dillegence to good use. And before anyone starts on fellaini ;-) let's give him a chance first and nobody knows him better than moyes.

Sorry for the long post and enjoy our free weekend!

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This post is mine, Honeybadger. Having a bit of trouble with the login on my phone this evening Ed's, no bother just thought I'd let you know.

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24 Jan 2014 20:45:30
Jaun mata will sign guys, stop panicking, these little hold ups happen with loads of transfers, it's just highlighted more because it's such a high profile signing, moriniho as said its imminent, this is a genius signing by us, we need that star quality in our team, we all no we need that cm but we need that creativity, and mata is a steal at 37mill in this current market, great work by moyes and yes woody for pulling this one off, fingers crossed we get the announcement sooner farther than later

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24 Jan 2014 20:08:40
Moyes pictured at the bayern game? Which player do you lads think he's looking at? Possibly Mario Mazukic(spelling)? He seems to be definitely leaving in the summer? Dante? 31 in October and don't think he'd suit the pace of the English League? Herrmann never heard of him before?

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Anyone know if the Schwein is playing he would be immense for us?

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Has to be one of Xhaka and Kramer.

Kroos is an outside bet though, with him not looking like he will sign a new contract. Ed002, do you have any info on the matter?

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{Ed002's Note - On what matter?}

Ed002, if Moyes is scouting a certain player at the Bayern vs Monchendladback game

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{Ed002's Note - Se earlier answers.}

Cheers Ed, missed that one. He did have a horrible game though

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24 Jan 2014 18:56:11
If I was a guessing man it may be something to do with structure of payments. It's hard to say as there are so many different types of add-on clauses these days. I think it's probably too far along now for MU to back out as it will make the club look very silly. We should trust the editor if he says it will be resolved soon.

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I was thinking the same, on another note, Guillem Balague is at it again lol. Just tweeted:

1. United won't do a medical with Mata unless they have a signed transfer agreement
2. Chelsea waiting till all done on their other transfer. But don't worry, it will happen

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Yeah £37m transfer agreed Woodward wants to pay a pony down and a fiver a week :).

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I think its due to the fact Moyes is in Germany watching bayern game tonight, and he will probably be allover Europe this weekend looking at players as we don't have a game.

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FZZ, Moyes has nothing to do with transfers. Not a thing.

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It seems moyes is getting the blame for everything! Hopefully the woodenhead and gang don't mess this up .

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:) I hope he doesn't

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So is he just watching the game for fun?

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Sydney I know woody does the deals but i'm pretty sure DM picks th player's

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Hmmm Disagree wiv u here Sydney, of course Moyes has something to do wiv transfers lol

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Dubmanu, I am merely saying the hold up has nothing to do with Moyes being in Germany. In other words Moyes is not needed in England for a deal to be completed. It's not his job. He can name the players he wants, then it's up to the club to do the business side of things.

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It's not his job to complete the transfer, but they know the medical will be done the same day as the presentation, and Moyes will be there for that. ;)

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24 Jan 2014 18:50:11
today was a prime example for what i've been saying for ages, our CM's are so bad its unreal. Mikel, Lampard, and Ramires can't pass the ball or face up against a defender and dribble past them to save their lives. JT completed nearly 90 passes yesterday. Its because we are unable to move the ball forward because the technical ability of our midfielders is so poor. Look at united, Carrick, Giggs, Cleverly all pass the ball quicly and move it forward. Arsenal, Wilshere, ramsey, arteta, can all play good forward balls and can run past defenders. Man City, Toure and Fernandinho drive city forward because they are able to keep the ball under pressure. Liverpool, Gerrard. Tottenham, Dembele. The reason our strikers don't score is because our midfielders don't play quick enough to open up space for strikers to work in. People think signing Falcoa, Cavani, Martinez would solve our problem. None of those guys, including lukaku will be able to score goals if we aren't able to pass the ball through Stuela Bucharest or some other rubbish team. We need to buy gundogen or someone similar. I come on here and say ravel morrison is just the player we need and someone said I need to get my head checked. Morrison is literally exactly what we need, a deep lying playmaker with pace and can dribble past people. I don't like posting on here because most of the people on here don't know anything about football and just ask are we interested in Matic? nine thousand times. Matic isn't even the type of player we need. He does the same thing mikel does, but he can shoot. we need someone like toure, modric, kroos, dembele who can keep the ball under pressure and control the tempo of a game. It such a glaring issue, I don't get how mourinho can keep fielding lampard, ramires and mikel, they are so bad, ramires is only in the team for athleticism and the others waste space. Play oscar, luiz, de bruyne in the mean time FFS.


Just saw this on the Chelsea page made me chuckle just goes to prove there is common ground between all fans ;)

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Lol @ Cleverley

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I bet Barca fans call their midfield crap aswell ;)
We just have Xavi iniesta and Fabregas
Stoke city have Charlie Adams

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I thought it hilarious that this is How a rival Fan Sees our midfield :)

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24 Jan 2014 18:36:50
After a long day sometimes I read back to see answers and occasionally comment.
From GCU
"Just because you were following the club in it's lean years does not make your views any more relevant or correct", "being a constant pessimist without taking into account all the facts, makes you look like an old man" "having a rough 4 months"

I express an opinion and that is what the site is for when I last looked but instead of banter you attack and make it personal, it seems as if you are trying to control the sites opinions. You talk about being positive after a rough 4 months, you should have been around when we got relegated, when the Scousers dominated for 20 years that was when you had to have faith.

Now to this other member of the Glazer/Moyes coven, Katef

To quote "we have been made into the monster of a club we now have today Partly done by the Glazers clever business sense"

Sorry but the monster of a club was made from a bombed out ground masterminded by Matt Busby, the same man who took us to the top ten years after losing the team at Munich, then then the genius of SAF who gave us our pride back. The Glazers hocked us up with a leveraged buy out, and then credit to them they know how to do deals. They have done little to improve the ground, the only improvement paid for by the cash left by the plc.

"please we have brought plenty of good players and won the league five times and the European cup once with two finals since the Glazers brought the club in 2005"

Head in the sand and won't acknowledge that the top players, the core that brought us success since 2005, Rooney, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Neville, Giggs and Scholes were there before the Glazers and now they have grown older they need replacing. They were what gave us the quality and much less what the Glazers did.

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Red Man

I like you and often agree with you. However, you do post the same view several times - I guess we all know how you feel by now. Still love you though

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Wasting your time redman as I posted earlier today all these fantastic deals the glazers have done have only lined there pockets.they inherited a utd side at its best and now were seeing the miniscule investment in players since then come back to haunt us big style.including sales utd, s nett yearly transfer spend for the last 5 years is £20 mill for a club of our size and income that is pitifull

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I'm not going to disagree with a word you said, John.

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REDMAN

Please don't take this as a personal thing and it is just banter.

No one is trying to control anything but I feel obligated to respond to what I believe is total overreaction and over the stop stuff.

You made a point of having a running banter with someone just 4 or 5 months ago about this idea that we had a 30 million cap on transfers and where never going to make the step up and today that theory is down the toilet.


You constantly post these theories/views of yours which is more about heresy and zero fact. i.e the club will not back the manager with money, the manager will not be able to attract top players, etc ted and it just seems there is no end to you repeating the same thing but under different disguise.


Having been a supporter in the lean years has no relevance and constantly being the bogey man is tiring. it is like the guy who can ever tryst a girl and always miserable in anew relationship because his last girl cheated on him.

Get over the 70s and 80s mate, things have moved on since then. In your world it is guilty until proven innocent and in mine it is the exact opposite.

Today is a good day or Manchester United and let's look at the positive side of things.

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24 Jan 2014 18:26:50
Hi eds
Your opinion on Sunderland making an approach to Valencia for ever banega. Surely united should go in for a player of his quality. Thoughts please

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{Ed004's Note - I don't rate him that highly}

24 Jan 2014 17:01:41
Interesting interview with SAF on BBC. For those who want to believe the manager not being backed at the club, you should watch it.


He does talk abut the process of appointing someone and also old fergie comes out showing his teeth when he basically cuts the guy off for even bringing up clubs commitment to DM.

A lot of stuff we are seeing at the moment is people trying to stir the pot with no substance.

Quite looking forward to getting RVP and rooney back and back to the business of playing football.

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GCU

The press may be enjoying the mess but the fact is we appointed a manager without the relevant credentials. SAF should be embarrassed at the moment at how it is going. When we get Mata on board and a CM it must improve, otherwise excuses will be running out.

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Stirring the pot with no substance? We're in 7th spot. We got knocked out by Swansea at home. We lost to Sunderland in the semis of the Carling cup. We're playing boring, slow, heartless football. We're losing at home all the time. And you are saying the press are stirring things with no substance?

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That is it: in a nutshell.

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Nomidfield

Spot on. The press and critics have no digging to do, our problems are laid bare for them every time we take to the field.

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Its a shame some fans don't back the manager as the old one does the home and away fans always cheer there is no discontent in the stands some time I have been a little dejected but we still clap cheer the team on, I have not heard any fans shout for Moyes out yet which is testament to there loyalty and trust. after a hard start to his new and job and let's be honest its probably the hardest job in world football to come in and replace the legend SAF I am glad Fergie came out and said the club is backing him, it would not happen at city or chelsea but we are different and should be proud of it

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Nomid

Read what I said and listen to the interview. The manager has the board and the club backing and they seem to be okay with giving him time and will not be making any crazy decisions. This was not about our league position but what SAF said in the interview.

REDMAN

SAF has nothing to be embarrassed for and nothing to prove.

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24 Jan 2014 16:59:44
I think mata delay is due to getting carried away with sight seeing, and seeking out the cafe hot spots in manchester.

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The hold up is because he got arrested on the m6 northbound for doing a u turn :)

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24 Jan 2014 16:45:55
I've heard today that Chelsea are trying to sign Ross Barkley, if so why don't we make a offer for him as moyes knows exactly how good he is

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I think everyone needs to lay off the coolaid as it is about to reach hysterical proportions reading the posts today:)

It is odd we are not involved in FA cup ties this early and get to be a spectator however given our injuries maybe it is a blessing.

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And confidence

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24 Jan 2014 16:05:00
A question for the ed. Apparently Chelsea waiting for salah to agree to join them before they sign Mata papers off, it's said it might take a few days for that so just wondering will this delay have possible effect on us buying anyone else this window?

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{Ed002's Note - No, you have been misinformed.}

Well am glad you saying that. Can't wait to officially hear that Mata is a United player been waiting since yesterday and I wonder what the other big news will be.you have any idea ed? Or is my guess as good as yours

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Ed's Don't Guess. They See all and know all

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24 Jan 2014 15:51:00
BBC REPORTING (VIA GUARDIAN) that Mata transfer has been delayed with no further details at present.

Has he failed a medical do you think?!

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{Ed002's Note - No, I have explained that something needs addressing first. Why not read the posts.}

24 Jan 2014 15:49:53
Given the high confirmation of Mata, I can't wait to see the next game with Mata, Wayne and Robin working together, not to mention Adnan and Fletcher.
I believe we have seen bottom of this season already and should start to climb the table ladder. Would be awesome to have another or two signing and stamp the serious spirit of the biggest club in the world to ensure we qualify for CL.
Another point is that, there was mention of the possibility that the Glazers were not giving Fergie budget to spend last season only to leave. I am beginning to subscribe to that idea. It makes sense. Only thing is I hope DM will buy the right players and start showing he actually knows what he is doing.
Go Man United Go!

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Fletcher?

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24 Jan 2014 15:38:25
Jack Barmby to Hartlepool on 1 month loan deal

Always good to hear young players going out on loan to gain first team experience

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Young Jack has a good left foot but you ponder with Januzaj showing such talent whether Barmbys path may be more difficult. There is also a young lad Dimitri Mitchell who also has a real talent. Good luck to Jack I always like to see our youth succeed.

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24 Jan 2014 15:04:27
So now mata is arriving shortly and rooney is mabye away to sign a new deal, what happens now do u think that's it till the summer or will try and sign vidal or guarian, mabye a new defender, your thoughts ed, in this great transfer window were having.

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{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

24 Jan 2014 14:58:19
Hearing Wenger and Pellegrini moan about a potential Mata transfer is pathetic. Has Wenger forgotten that he has sold RVP, Nasri, Cashley Cole etc to his rivals? I am bound to think that premier league big teams are still frightened of United, and why shouldn't they? Just a 'mata' of time before usual service resumes for us.

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I always liked Wenger, but he doesn't half do some moaning.

He's also picked an argument over an issue with which he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

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I think it is good to know that with addition of a good player that Wenger and Pellegrini may suddenly have a little bit of concern about playing us in a one off game. They would have been better to shrug their shoulders and say it won't have any impact in other words we think we are too good anyway.

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Imagine in the summer (where the same management team had longer than a month) had signed players of mata's quality for cb, lb, cm, cm and lw?

Maybe the whole league would have been worried about playing us ;)

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24 Jan 2014 14:53:09
Good afternoon all, big thanks to all the eds who seemingly have a never ending amout of patience and knowledge.
I think the mata signing is a very shrewd piece of business(assuming all goes through)
There is no doubt that the club are working hard to strengthen the other main areas of concern LB and CM in this window. I really hope that we can get those sorted in Jan with Vidal/Gundogan and there appears to be nothing clear on which LB I think Moyes is holding out for Baines and hoping we can get Mata and a midfielder in which would allow Moyes to use cleverly/young as bait for Baines, but time is moving fast, Baines still has not signed his new deal that tells me Baines is holding out until UTD make their move
In the summer we can then look at center back/another CM and an attacker
If we get Mata + LB + CM in this window we will close the 6 point gap and secure CL football for next season, and perhaps even secure 3rd when Arsenal have their usual collapse I don't fancy Arsenal to finish strongly although they look more solid and detrmined this year but they will collapse under the strain of 8+ years without a trophy IMO.
Personally I would prefer them to win above the russians or city but I can't see it happening they will finish closer in points to us than top of the league.
Ken

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24 Jan 2014 14:26:32
Anyone know what Michael Owen was on about when he said the was more good news to follow today? Rooney deal seems to be the most popular idea

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24 Jan 2014 14:13:05
Just reported on tv that there is still some negotiating to do between both clubs regarding Mata? I thought it had been accepted. Don't like the sound of this and am now confused

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{Ed002's Note - There is something that needs to still be agreed. It'll be fine I am sure.}

Ok cheers Ed. Is it anything major or just some minor tie ups towards the deal?

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{Ed002's Note - Measured how?}

I was just checking to see if u knew exactly what hadn't been agreed or whether it was just something minor

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It'll probably be a win bonus v Arsenal the way Wenger is going on ;-)

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Ben

Classic haha

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24 Jan 2014 14:06:33
An hour or so old now but Jose has confirmed Mata is joining United. Never saw this coming in a million years but a quality acquisition. "In the previous two seasons combined, before Gareth Bale joined Real Madrid from Tottenham Hotspur, Mata was directly involved (Scoring or assisting) in 43 Premier League goals, one fewer than the £86m Welshman (44)." - Bargain.

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24 Jan 2014 13:59:16
I think jose has acted well with the mata move with his latest comments! Surely i'm not the only one that thinks the best part of it is that he stated its what mata wanted and its what he asked for! An amazing player and who mainly wants to play for the club all we could ask for

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24 Jan 2014 13:50:04
Well this whole Mata transfer has everyone up and talking about possible transfers in.

It seems to show that the Glazers are prepared to pay what is needed within reason to sign top players.

One thought I have had is whether finances were being restricted as they didn't want Sir Alex to spend big on a player only to retire and the new manager not want that player.

But since Moyes has taken over we have spent 27m on Fellaini and have had a 37m bid accepted for Mata. that's 64m on two players.

It has also allowed us to start dreaming, like with Vidal.

If we could get Vidal and maybe Alex Sandro in January along with Mata then that would be half the work done before the summer.

Then we would just need a CB another midfielder and another attacking player in the summer to really turn the squad around.

Personally i'd like to see Schar, Reus and Koke in the summer. Maybe use Kagawa as bait for Reus and Hernandez as Bait for Koke.

I'd love to see a line up of DDG, Rafael, Evans, Schar, A.Sandro, Vidal, Koke, Mata, Rooney, Reus, RvP

That could win everything, even with Moyes as manager. lol

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24 Jan 2014 14:13:46
If januzaj was playing in any other league at his age then we'd sign him - he is a first choice player for us. They don't come around often! He's in the starting 11 mostly and even more so now he's been thrown in!. Out of interest to fellow posters. What do you value him at? Obviously value is what a clubs willing to pay etc but ignore that as I'd like opinions? Also other fans - would you love to have him (honestly)

Adz

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Wouldn't be buying Schar when we have Smalling and Jones who are good young centre halves . I'd rather see an experienced centre half come in

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Swap Evans for Jones and that would be an excellent team.

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Jones is much better than Evans and I would like to see more than just one English lad in my MU side.

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As good as Reus is, I'd much rather see Januzaj stay in the team.

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Where's Adnan?

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Januzaj will be in and around the first team but if we had a stronger squad and first team then he wouldn't be getting as many games as he is currently getting.

I'd like a more experianced centre back but there is a lack of options, that's why I prefer Schar, he will be a great CB. Many have mentioned Mangala but I feel Schar will be just as good but would cost far less at this present time.

Thats why i've put Evans in the first team ahead of Jones as his experiance will be vital if we are to bring in a younger CB.

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I too would like to see Sandro as our left back but guess what a friend ( Aberdeen supporter but we don't hold that against him and give him a constant supply of sheep) who watches German football suggested Bastian Oczipka. So I did a search and Shappy is rating him a year ago.

I'm not sure we need 2 CM Fletcher is playing very well. Carrick getting older and injury prone slow as he is could do well alongside Vidal. Fellaini (yeuch spit) we are going to play and he deserves a chance. Cleverley even would benefit with playing alongside Vidal. I get the impression Moyes sees Jones as CM too and though I have argued, against it in the past, I think he is right.

I can't say I know Schar but Mangala or Kondogbia for me. Reus or Griezmann and we are set.

So Sandro, Vidal (please I'll be good lol), Mangala or Kondogbia and Reus or Griezmann along with Mata, our best player, not much to ask for surely.

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Syd, Adnan would be rotated around with the front four. It's not settled whether Rooney will stay or not, if he moves on then i'd move Mata in field and play Adnan on the right. But even if Rooney stays then there will be games that RvP or Rooney will be rested for and the same for Reus and Mata in which case Januzaj will play then.

The only reason he has played so much this season is the lack of quality in the squad.

But we shouldn't be relying on an 18yo and we will need to take the pressure off.

I'd also expect to see Nani, Kagawa, Hernandez, Young and maybe Valencia leave between now and the start of next season. if that is the case then Januzaj Lingard Welbeck and Zaha will be our only back up options, I would put Januzaj well above the other three so he'll get plenty of playing time.

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IMO we should stop differentiating between squad players and first teamers.

When Utd have been at their best Fergie regularly rotated the team but what made it work is that the players coming into the team were just as good as the players which were rested.

We should be aiming for a small squad of players, none of which will weaken the team if they play. Keeping the Cleverleys and Valencias is pointless because they are second rate.

A successful Utd team will be playing about 60 games a season. Two world class players in each position would get 30 games a piece and that's if they both stay free of injury.

Of course, I'm over simplifying the reality of the situation but i'm sure you get my drift.

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Grund, Its true I do rate Bastian Oczipka. I think he could be a very good left back for a top half EPL team. But at the time I put his name forward there was a real lack of world class or potentially world class options available. But now Alex Sandro could be available, as could Fabio Coentrao or Ricardo Rodriguez or even Luis Filipe all are current better options than Bastian Oczipka so that's why he has dropped off my radar.

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Just to throw one name yet to be mentioned and i'm supprised is nick powell!

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24 Jan 2014 13:40:45
Hi, new to the site and wondered if you had heard any rumours about Cabaye. Would love either Gudagon or Vidal but maybe we need to be realistic.
Thanks

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Think PSG want Cabaye! Real want Gundagon and we have real interest in Vidal.

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Welcome mate! I think Gundogan is Madrid bound in the summer, and Cabaye will probably move to PSG. The eds have said interest is in Vidal, but I personally can't see a January move.

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24 Jan 2014 13:00:27
Just reading what jose mourinho said during his press conference, the mans a class act, albeit I am glad we picked moyes. If essien is available as he seems to be do you think that he would be a good stop-gap in the midfield to tide us over until summer?

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Moyes has said he won't make any kind of stop gap signings bud. He stated if the players he wants aren't available then he won't sign anybody else just for the sake of it.

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24 Jan 2014 12:53:09
So Jose has left some nice comments for Mata. It seems like a good break-up, you know the type I mean, where you remain friends ;)

Ed002, Hulk on loan to Chelsea?

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{Ed002's Note - Luton Town?}

Syd

There is a lot of sh!t people spout about Mou, while some of it might be true, a lot of it is crap. Moral high ground yada yada yada, the press conference was classy to say the least. To add, extremely entertaining. Noone can answer questions like he does. I loved the "May be Brendan Rodgers is right" bit haha.

Deeps.

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Oh my god "Wenger complaining is normal, he always does".

Deeps.

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24 Jan 2014 12:31:21
Not united related lads but Hulk is in London today. What do we think, chelsea?

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Possibly a trip to madame tussauds then a matinee viewing of lion king in the west end?

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24 Jan 2014 12:49:54
Woohoo confirmation!!

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24 Jan 2014 12:49:31
Jose Mourinho has just confirmed that Mata will be joining United with the deal being done "Sooner rather than later" . And they received a Fair deal and its the right move For Juan.

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24 Jan 2014 12:22:47
Hi all,

I'm a life long Gooner and appreciate your season has been pants up to now but a long way to go and a few more days to add to Mata so not really all doom and gloom by any means.

I understand as current Champions you'd expect more but the problems are there for all to see. I work with a few United lads and like a lot of you they have been pulling their hair out for the last few years not just this one.

Anyway sorry to waffle, my visit was to ask what your thoughts are on next season, with yourselves undoubtedly picking up some more quality between now and then, Vidal would be a great signing by the way, how hard will it be to win the title next year.

I know we've been considered also rans and the 4th place trophy hunters but you have to admit that has changed and with more additions for us, like I said you, Chelsea and City it will be one hell of a fight next year.

I can't imagine anyone could call next years winners, barring Syd of course ;-). Lol.

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I can confirm AW will go at least a decade without a trophy :)

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24 Jan 2014 13:22:47
Thanks Syd, I knew you wouldn't let me down ;-)

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I'd say arsenal must win the league this year or struggle on for te next 8 years trying to win some silverware. I'd also say if Liverpool or spurs don't get top 4 this year it's only going to get harder for them as us city and chelsea strengthen.

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Oh no Sydney, hope the prediction doesn't go the same way as we'll finish 30 points ahead of Liverpool!
As it happens, I don't think Arsenal will win the PL. The won't win the CL. So the FA cup is the only realistic chance they have.

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24 Jan 2014 12:07:36
Completely out of left field, but something I heard, do we have any interest in Hulk?

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24 Jan 2014 12:25:34
I would like to see Rooney sign a new contract if only to enhance his resale value, and prevent the risk of him leaving for little or nothing.

The last few years of the Ferguson era were marked by a weak youth and transfer policy. SAF's ornery cantankerous nature, and his refusal to move with the times in respect to the market and value, coupled with a lack of available funds, were a pretty lethal combination. Not only were our signings relatively poor, but the digging in against agents representing great youth prospects resulted in inexcusable losses. United went to great lengths to get hold of Pogba in the first place; it might have cost some extra wages and some playing time assurances, but the potential gain was far higher than the loss - a player/asset worth 40m compared to 2m in wages over a couple of years. Not signing Bebe would have more than covered the wage expense.

This stubborn recalcitrance, Presbyterian thrift and incredible hubris may have led to a final championship, however that may also be considered to be something of a Pyrrhic victory. A mortgaging of the future to satisfy the short term goals of the general.

If that policy is the one that's changing, and the money's loosening up, I'm all for it. In the process of transitioning into the modern era the Board may or may not get the right manager first time around, but if they bring in players of inherent quality and retain young prospects, I am confident they will eventually get the manager right too.

United, we'll rise again.

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Peashooter, the Pogba case was far more complicated than just giving Pogba a little more in wages. For a start his agent was whispering in his ear as he wanted to move Pogba on to recieve a big 2m agents fee.

Look at Pogba's current situation, he is on high wages(reportedly 45k a week) and he is in the first on a regular basis at one of the top european sides, everything he should want and yet there are still stirings that he could move on yet again to either us or PSG. And once he moves to PSG in the next year or two then he'll be there for a year or two before he moves on to Madrid or City or Chelsea or whoever else would pay his agent hansomely to get him to sign on the dotted line.

This is the same agent as Ibrahimovic and Balotelli, and Pogba is destined to have a similar career as those two.

So if we caved in and paid Pogba the extra money and gave his agent a slice of the cake to get him to sign on with us we would just be in the same situation a couple of years down the line.

But we would have created a rod for our own back by setting a prescident of caving in to agents and players demands. Thus we would be held to ransom by every talented young player who comes through our academy. It may even have lead to us being unable to tie Januzaj down to a new deal or at least paying through the nose to do so.

That would have been a crazy and reckless move, the day we start allowing 19yo unproven youth prospects dictate to us is the day United start to fall down the slippery slope that Leeds went down.

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Peashooter . A lot of different ways to define Fergies "arrogant/stubborn" mentality, but hey why use everyday English when there's a chance to flex the auld cerebrum and show others that you have / appear to have a greater grasp of the vernacular .
Anyway my point is this, it's a bit of a stretch to describe last seasons league win as being tantamount to a defeat . It was always going to be hard to replace fergie regardless of who came in . He did a great job winning the league last year and over time I believe Moyes will get it right . I suppose you will be advocating a director of football as most other teams have one .
Also why would you mention "Presbyterian Thrift", you should never bring religion into a football conversation plus Fergie is a Protestant not a Presbyterian

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To the much justified criticisms:

I am sure my generalizations were misplaced, and a tad hyperbolic. Yesterday was crass poetry, this morning it was unsupportable and overly simplistic invective. Still, I think the general gist holds some water. Without wishing to give in to agent infused hot heads, there needs to be some acceptance that in this environment we have to pay to get and retain quality players. Agents are real, and Pogba was a very costly mistake. There is no point in railing against reality.

As for Protestants and Presbyterians, I believe the latter is a reformed version of the former. It was more supposed to be a deeply subtle but playful jab at the oft referenced carefulness of our northern brethren.

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I think your missing the point Peashooter, even if we gave in to Pogba and his agent we would still be in the same boat a couple of years down the line.

Your acting as if Pogba is the only midfielder in the world.

Yes we have to pay the going rate for the right players, and hopefully with Mata we are showing that we are prepared to do that.

But Pogba was the wrong player with the wrong agent, he may have had all the qualities to be a huge success but with his attitude and his agents greed he would not have been worth us making special exceptions for.

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Shappy, my response is really based on financial/business considerations. Sometimes, giving in one an issue allows you to profit on the next. I think everyone recognized that Pogba had exceptional talent, correct? So, had we done a deal, and he had grown into half the player he is now but with us rather than Juventus, then we would now be in a position to profit either on the field or through the transfer market.

I have a suspicion and concern that our competitors are not adopting such an intransigent transfer policy and this in part (along with a lack of funds) is/has been causing us to miss out on both ends of the spectrum. Agreed however that this is not a pretty situation; it's all become rather grimy.

Can we at least agree on the need for United to spend some money on top players at the price the market dictates?

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24 Jan 2014 12:01:20
ssn say that David Moyer will be at bayern Munich game tonight

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Alaba would be nice.

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Javi Martinez has not been getting much game time this season?

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Martinez, now that would be a good signing

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Kroos doesn't seem like he'll extend his contract

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Jred, Dust, could we be looking at Martinez as an alternative to Vidal if Vidal isn't possible? Mata and Martinez would be team mates and Martinez does not feature much and will feature even less when Thiago returns. It's probably to watch Dante, but we can live in hope.

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It probably is Dante, but I'd do time for Martinez.

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Javi Martinez was someone I was supporting for SAF to buy before Bayern bought him, a top defensive midfield player who was pushed back into defence. In our midfield he might be very effective

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24 Jan 2014 11:46:24
Sir Alex named uefa coaching ambassador!

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24 Jan 2014 11:22:08
I expect at least 1 more signing in January. With mata in I can see another big player coming in this window

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24 Jan 2014 11:02:16
I've figured it out Michael Owens tweet means he's coming out of retirement to save our season and spearhead our attack! Yes!

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24 Jan 2014 10:34:40
Michael Owen has tweeted about the arrival of Juan Mata and also saying there is more exciting news coming soon.

Hopefully it will be Rooney signs a new contract or Vidal signing.

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24 Jan 2014 10:33:48
Just so the ed doesn't get annoyed I think he has said that Alex Sandro but in particular Filipe from Atletico are our new left back targets. Madrid were holding out for £20 million for Coentrao and we would only pay £15 million - hoping this is right?

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24 Jan 2014 10:31:41
Anyone got any news on injuries? Rooney, Van Persie, Nani etc.
cheers in advance.

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I asked the same thing before Sunderland, without any replies,
I think the only thing that Mata's here is Juan Signing

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Thanks DJ :) I won't keep going Juan about it;)

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Haha, in all seriousness I expect them to be atleast on the bench vs Cardiff, RVP, Rooney. Fellaini could start given Carrick is injured :)

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24 Jan 2014 10:06:41
Couple of reports this morning. First being united trying to tie rooney down with a new contract. Would love to get your guys ( and girls ) opinion on this as rooney seems to split the fans 50/50 on weather we'd want him to stay or go. And secondly apparently ath madrid want kagawa. My thoughts on that would be i'd rather keep him untill summer and use him as part of a deal to bring in reus/gundogan I feel he could be the difference between dortmund willing to do business.

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{Ed002's Note - Rooney won't be moving to Dortmund.}

Ed, he meant to say that ATM are interested in Kagawa, not Rooney :)

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I think he meant Kagawa Ed as for Rooney I think everyone will be delighted if he commits to the club.
The only problem people had with him was stalling with signing a new deal holding the club to ransom and causing an unease around the club.

Him signing would be a huge boost to the whole club. Showing the football world we don't sell our best players and we are in control and not imploding.

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I would like to see Rooney stay obviously he is a great player, But if Mata comes in I don't think we will be as reliant on him as we have been meaning that if he goes in the summer it would not be the end of the world.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that he has signed a new deal over the next week or so with one of the reasons being if we do sell we will get a more respectable fee similar to what the club did with Nani.

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In the summer I believed MU would sell Rooney had we bought our targets in. I think if we had signed Cesc and a LW, then that would have been the end of Rooney. I am hoping the club have not bought Mata as part of a replacement to Rooney, but I do get that doubt in my gut. Hopefully Rooney accepts what the club offer him, but maybe they are expecting him to go.

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I thinking signing Mata and selling Rooney would be one step forward one step back .
I want as many good players in the team as possible as there are to many average ones in my opinion.
If I was Rooney I wouldn't be in a rush to sign as he is in a very strong position. This will be Rooney last contract and possibly his last year's of playing at the very top. There is a lot of uncertainty at the club at the moment and if I was Rooney I would wait and see who we bought in the summer and what direction the club was taking before I committed my future to the club.

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I think that he will stay Syd.
I think Moyes has spoken to him about what he is trying to do and what players they are trying to get in.
Mata is a great start. let's hope for a central midfielder, that would be brilliant. Vidal would be superb!

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Jred, I agree, it would be pointless signing Mata then selling Rooney.

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I believe Rooney will be sold come this summer and maybe a final destination is already in place.

I believe we are at the start of seeing a major change in personnel and style and will see some surprising changes.

I think we will migrate to 4231 and have too many strikers and not enough midfielders/scoring midfielders and will see a shift.

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24 Jan 2014 09:37:59
Some folk seem a little concerned about where Mata will play. To be brutally honest, who cares? The bottom line here is that he is clearly better than our current options in midfield.

I also have a feeling that he will connect well with Rooney.

It's been a tough season so far. Let's at least hope that Juan helps bring some flair back to the team.

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This is to true mata is going to bring the best out of our attacking players especially Hernandez me thinks

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24 Jan 2014 08:29:07
Excuse me if this has already been covered, but can anyone enlighten me on the "third party" bid?

What are the benefits of doing it this way? Is I just so that MUFC can officially say they haven't made a bid?

Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - It is of no relevance at all - clubs often use third parties and specialist negotiators.}

This is just business jargon IMO it has no relevance to supporters it is just a business transaction.

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24 Jan 2014 08:10:34
Michael Owen reckons that "A little dickie bird" has told him there is more good news on the way for United fans. Now, I don't think he knows more than us when it comes to transfers but I know he is close to Wayne. Could it be a contract renewal?

Also just wondering why United or Chelsea haven't confirmed that we have agreed a fee for Juan Mata? As soon as Chelsea agreed a fee for Salah yesterday they announced it?

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Just about to post the same thing.,

I'm hoping for another player, Vidal would be amazing.

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24 Jan 2014 07:16:20
Juan Mata would be a very good signing but buddies what happens if Chelsea pulls the plug on Juan M deal with Manchester United in last minutes? I'm not trusting Jose M. You know when we went in for Juan, rumour has it that he brought up Rooney issue again and we rejected, I think he was hoping to come back for Rooney in Summer and now after he had sanctioned Juan's deal and noticed we immediately want/ try to tie down Rooney he may feel we want to be wise ie, he's good enough to want to give us Juan and we aren't not magnanimous to let Rooney go/let him have him.
Remember what he did to Arsenal last minute with regards to Demba Ba, the man is sometimes heartless, can change his mind anytime.
I don't know I'm just having a weird feeling. what do you think guys? Juan M would be a great signing, I mean he's so creative/ great and would make us a force, restore that fear factor.
Your opinions?

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Think you need to calm down, mata will be a united player by this evening.

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Think u need to calm down

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Dont worry mate it is hardly last minute as there is still a week of the window left, plus I think this is as much to do with Roman as it is Jose seems that Chelsea are trying to get there house in order due to FFP so fair play to em it works for all parties involved and Juan Mata will be a United player today.

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I do not understand how it isn't last minute, didn't all the Everton fans tell us that Moyes only buys players last minute and we are stuck with a manager who will not buy attacking players?

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24 Jan 2014 01:26:43
Are we really thinking about hernandez for guarin? I so this on the telegraph website.
thanks.

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24 Jan 2014 01:13:46
"SK, why the sarcasm towards anyone who disagrees with you. Its the lowest form of wit" Nomidfield

I'm talking about the posters who come on with one line posts of 'Moyes Out' halfway through each game, or after a defeat - it's embarrassing, and it is over-reaction.

I wasn't referring to you, or Red Man for that matter, though you seem to have taken offence, and for that I am truly, deeply, unbelievably, from the bottom of my heart, sorry, for the obvious distress and pain I have caused you.

:)

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Stevie your wasting your time these are two classic examples of the glass is half empty even if its full they cannot see past the glazers and the debt and don't see the positives we have won plenty with the debt, and will win just as much if not more when its gone, they would be unhappy no matter how we play they bang on about how we should be copying city this copying Bayern that copying Dortmund with ball shooting machines copying Chelsea on marketing copy this team because there doing this and that, in for this player because he flavour of the month how about we keep doing what Manchester united has done for a long time how about we stay as we are with plenty of success and if you like the way other teams do things so much why not go cheer them on because your not really supporting our club there never happy with anything and before you all go on about how the Glazers have ridden us with debt that has killed us buying all the best players well we seem to still be winning plenty and for me they have kept our tradition of keeping it the United way

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Katef

Won plenty with the debt? Check when the quality players arrived or came through that won us trophies before the Glazers saddled us with debt. Check when Giggs, Scholes, Ferdinand, Ronaldo, Rooney, Neville came in. They were pre Glazer so to start get your facts right.
The owners are now under extreme pressure and I say good let's see them spend properly.

As to opinions well I pity the young inexperience almost naivety of some posters who have only known success and SAF, they never knew or experienced the70's and 80's where the ups and downs were because we kept getting the wrong manager. All through two decades we were there on the terrace supporting garbage on the pitch, screaming support to get ordinary teams over the line particularly in cup games. Cup half full you said! Well at least I know what life was like where cups were our only chance and appreciate far more the joys of where we have been for 20 years. I was over 30 before seeing and remembering us win the league, the problem with some posters is that like you they are spoilt.

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@katef you can't really believe what your saying about the glazers surely! they have prostituted the clubs name just to service the debt they have saddled us with and it will only get worse if we miss out on the European cup.

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Stop it, Red Man. You sound like something out of a Hovis advert.

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REDMAN

Just because you were following the club in it's lean years does not make your views any more relevant or correct and in some ways I would eject more.

We had this banter before and being a constant pessimist without taking into account all the facts, makes you look like an old man, who lacks any logic.

We are great club having a rough 4 months and will be better for it in a few hers when we look back. Just accept it for what it is at the moment and look at the positives of what is happening, as there seems to be no shortage of effort by the people at the club to fix things.

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Opps a few spell stuff. LOL

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What a load of rubbish Red man and racket. I have been going to old Trafford my self since the 80s and we had very good teams just not as good as Liverpools and to lesser extent Everton which will never happen again, we have been made into the monster of a club we now have today Partly done by the Glazers clever business sense, Globally we have the most supported team and the best paid franchise in the world and when the debt is gone we will have more money to spend on the team. I hope they don't sell the club to the wrong people in a ideal world the club would be owned buy the supports but that will never happen, I would not like to see us sold to some billionaire who views the club as his toy or some consortium that want more cash than the Glazers do better the devil you know sometimes, and please we have brought plenty of good players and won the league five times and the European cup once with two finals since the Glazers brought the club in 2005 we have an even brighter future just a shame some other can not see this its must be murder for you guys who live in a negative way of thinking

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Didnt know malcom glazer had a daughter called katie? katie your either very naive or on a wind up everything the leeches have done is geared to putting money in there pockets.including sales our nett spend for the last 5 years is £20 million per season, that's why were in the state we are now with ageing and average players.fergie said the money was there, I don't believe him he's left moyes a poisnous challice of a job.

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