Manchester United Banter Archive July 24 2013

 

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24 Jul 2013 23:08:53
So bored of our players being slagged off on here and how we should sign tom, dick and harry.
We are the champions so our players aren't too shabby. Heard the same rubbish last year about how good City and Chelsea were going to be.
Let's have a bit of faith, yes we need a CM or two to help Carrick but we will get there.
I think Wayne will stay and we will still have the best frontline in the league. Too much gloom and doom on here.

Red Daz

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Harry wouldn't fit our type of play, so i'm not sure why he's being mentioned, I reckon we'll try all out for Tom but it'll take ages and we'll end up with Dick

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We're not slagging them off, we're just giving an opinion on what we think of them. We all have our favourites and our least favourites.
We'd be hypocrites if we just said every United player was brilliant. {Ed052's Note - no. It's called support}

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NO - its called 'blind' faith or burrying your head in the sand

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Common sense from RED DAZ! Burn him! Burn the witch!

I agree totally RED DAZ, far too much negativity on here.

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The Ed must be a Liverpool fan :D

BornInToIt

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24 Jul 2013 23:06:19
"We tried really hard to sign him, we gave Man United a blank cheque, we talked to him, his reply was short and simple, If you want me to play for you, you'd have to buy this club. One of a kind, he didn't even have an agent, so it was hard enough" - Morrati (Inter's President) on Paul Scholes

Nuff said.

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We need more players with those kind of attitudes at our club.

How I miss Scholes already!

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Great post, Paul Scholes, one of the best, privileged to have seen him play!

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Legend

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Here's hoping that our current crop of talent will provide us with people of a similar attitude rather than the get rich quick players

19JackC94

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I read that Michael Owen is starting a business to offer advice to young players re: backup if they don't make it, how to handle it if they do, etc. If he manages to get Scholes, the Nevilles, Beckham, Giggs plus the guys from their group that didn't make it - then that is one hell of a business! Too many young players think they're sorted for life when they sign a 3 year contract on £10k a week and forget why they're in it in the first place. The fact the likes of Januzaj and co can and probably have had a chat with the Scholes and Giggs of this world should hopefully stand them in good stead. And dare I say it our friends down the road have a similar grounding within their club with the likes of Carragher and Gerrard around to offer advice to the youngsters. Different clubs, same values - and values that are priceless for the future of the game, regardless of which flag you have nailed to your mast! Fingers crossed we get more kids come through with the Scholes attitude!

Ben

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One of a kind

Singh

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We'll "chase" our apparent 'targets' and either end up with either sod all or end up panic-buying on deadline night
Fantastic business by the 2 mercenaries Moyes and Woodward linking us with big names while its season ticket renewal time then probably bringing Scholes out of retirement again and probably Phil Neville while Moyes is at it too

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24 Jul 2013 22:49:14
First time poster on here, over the past few seasons we havnt made big signings (apart from RVP) and u know the way we work is to develop players, but I feel we need two solid and class players in our midfield, that is the main priority, agree? With 3 weeks till the start of the season, do you guys think we will have additions of a left back and the midfield problem solved? And who do you think will come in?

Trev the red

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I still think we may see marchisio here if I'm to be honest

19JackC94

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Only if we draw juventus in the cl :)
johndenton

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24 Jul 2013 22:46:47
Alex Song on tv saying 100% Fabregas is not leaving Barcelona. I really, really want him to sign he's the exact player we need in my opinion! And I would pay anything up to £37-£38m to make it happen!

Waiting and hoping

Alex Ferguson Condom

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Thats like Anderson saying Nani isn't going anywhere.

They have no idea what the player will do.

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In the interview Song admitted he hadn't spoken to Fabregas so in effect he was just expressing an opinion

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Fabregas is still away on holiday, how can we be sure he's spoke to Song?

Nathaniel

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24 Jul 2013 22:26:06
The Cesc transfer is puzzling to me.

1) I've never known us to be so public with a transfer target so much so it could be deemed 'unsettling' towards Fab.

2) Would Cesc leave so soon after joining his 'dream' club?

3) Surely to go in with 2-3 bids we must've had some encouragement somewhere.

4) If arsenal is his love then would he not choose to avoid anyone else but his beloved gunners?

5) Usually when a player isn't for sale or interested you'd hear the player say he's happy where he is but I've seen no quotes from Cesc or his agent.

A mixed message kind of deal this is.

Welsh Red

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1 - Agreed - but given that we need a marque signing and have so far failed to bring in anybody - it makes sense that we would go public.

2 - There's arguments for staying and leaving. He isn't a first 11 player at Barcelona and hasn't had much game time in a CM position. If they accept an offer for him it suggests to him that he's not important - and in that instance I can see him wanting to leave. On the other hand - it's his boyhood club and he is winning things there while still getting game time. Xavi will play less and less over the coming years and Thiago has just left as well meaning Cesc will play more as a CM.

3 - That would be my guess. There's no smoke without fire.

4 - Arsenal don't need him back. Their midfield is pretty good at the moment. I doubt they could afford him either. Add to that the fact that his chances of winning things at Arsenal are not great - and I don't see him going back there. In my eyes he'll either stay where he is or come here. Probably the former.

5. He has made such statements in the past - but to continually make statements when it appears as though the club may be looking to sell him makes little sense. If he comes out and says he want to leave and ends up staying the fans will hate him. If he comes out and says he wants to stay and then ends up being sold it says to the fans of the new club that he would rather have stayed and that he had little say in the deal.

redseven

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Redseven,

we have more available cash that is not being propped up by a sugar daddy than any other club in the pl.

we may not spend it but your quote is way of the mark.

malaga gooner

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24 Jul 2013 21:15:54
I remember last year and o interest in signing RVP, and when we finally signed, Sydney said "we got him lads" I really hope you can repeat that phrase this year for Fabregas, and each year it can be your catchphrase.
KevDarko

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Ahhhh, good times lol.

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Maybe ill s*** myself again but at this stage I think most posters wil combust at any new signing.

CAIN

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24 Jul 2013 23:10:37
Barcelona have just come out and said you can have fab you give us Rooney and nani plus 10 mill, slysports

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Sydney has given us so many memories over the years, he holds a special place in all our hearts.

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24 Jul 2013 23:21:20
Yes I too heard Barcelona want Rooney nani plus cash for fab, let's do it now while there new manager agrees, come on moyes think your man enough

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Pretty sure the above rumour is rubbish - but I wouldn't go for it even if it were true.

Nani is worth £10m-£15m and Rooney as much as Fabregas. We'd be paying £25m over the odds.

redseven

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That and Rooney and Nani are (in my opinion) better suited to Real than Barca.

Straight swap with Rooney would be ideal but Barca aren't stupid!

Ben

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They wouldn't want nanni and nanni is worth ten apparently and Rooney 25-30 so I would defo pay 40 for fab him. Just to gets him he is perfect for mufc.

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24 Jul 2013 21:10:49
With a lot of the talk about Fabregas and Fellaini at the moment, I have a question for the regular posters or any other poster for that matter.

If you could sign one player for United this season, other than Messi, Iniesta, Ronaldo, Bale, or any player who has just moved, who would sign?

For me I would say Vidal, since he would be the complete centre mid and he would complement Carrick (and Cesc?) perfectly.

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One other signing along with Fabregas? I would take Mata.

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Gundogan.

Would be the perfect player for our midfield. Does all of the defensive duty while giving 100% while going forward.

Think of him as a much more improved Ramires from Chelsea.

Vidal is also a good shout Gilly! Another player who would fit perfectly.

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Javi Martinez would be my choice.

My dream summer, if I could choose 4 players for United to sign, would be Luke Shaw, Javi Martinez, Cesc Fabregas, Ronaldo.

Brendan81

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Verratti for me!

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Xavi. Old as he is he would still do a job.

Ozil, Aguero and Draxler would also be fantastic additions.

redseven

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Mata without a doubt the boy is class,

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Fabregas along with Hazard.

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I don't like him as a person but franck ribery is unplayable at times

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24 Jul 2013 22:54:32
Gundogan as I feel he will be one of the best all round midfielders in the world in a year or two's time if he isn't already. If not Gundogan then i'd love to see Marco Reus in a United shirt.

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Redseven, Aguero would be class, but Xavi although very good, he would do the same job as Carrick. Brendan, that would be a great summer, though I would prefer Vidal to Martinez. Weggy, Gundogan would be superb next to Carrick and same for Mata really.

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Fabregas luis gustavo baines. That's a realistic summer imo. Belfast red

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Martinez but there's no chance so break the bank for verratti
Jred

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In a dream scenario Fabregas and Verrati but De rossi and Fabregas would also be great.

Ship nani and anderson out and get Draxler, Febregas & De Rossi or Verrati. Now that would be some summer transfer window.

Shahram

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Gilly - please do not try and compare Xavi and Carrick. Xavi is twice the player Carrick is. Anybody who thinks otherwise has obviously never seen him play. Question his age and fitness as much as you like - but his ability speaks for itself.

Also, seeing Baines on a list of 'if you could sign ANYBODY' tickled me a little - so thanks for that Belfast red!

redseven

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Wilshere

He's a proper little pitbull in the middle of the park and could defiantly be our English version of keano. Plus would love to see so many English players in the squad

19JackC94

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Schweinsteiger and de Rossi. one unrealistic, the other a possibility if we tried.

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Vidal

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24 Jul 2013 20:55:09
If Fellani is bought without a quality creative midfield purchase I will throw this laptop against the wall. It would be throwing the league away, in my opinion. I don't understand the conspiracy that all this Fabregas talk is to appease the fans before signing the Afro. They do completely different jobs on the pitch! It's like trying to buy a brick layer and then turning your attention to a bulldozer.

Scholes needs to be replaced. They have had years to earmark his replacement! If Fabregas or a comparable player is not bought, this window will have been an utter farce.



BornInToIt

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Imo we need a fellani type player, but we need a replacement for Carrick more! if he was signed with Fabregas i'd b a very happy boy lol!

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24 Jul 2013 20:40:00
Just out of interest who would people prefer, Fellaini and Fabregas or Gundogan and Gustavo?

I'd go for the two G's myself.

J J

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I don't believe Gundogan and Gustavo would have much attacking creativity in it for the front 4.

Would much prefer Cesc and Gundogan! ;)

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I would go for Fabregas and Fellaini as both have prem experience and they are completely different players.

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In an ideal world I would take Fab and Gun. I would then have Jones handcuffed to either one of them in training.

BorInToIt

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24 Jul 2013 22:57:59
No brainer Gundogan and Gustavo all day long.

Gustavo is at a level Fellaini will never get to.

And although Fabregas is currently better than Gundogan it is only a matter of time before Gundogan surpasses him. And Gundogan is 4 years younger so we would get much more mileage out of him. Plus I think people seem to forget Fabregas' injury record in the prem wasn't good.

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Cesc is the player we need and Fellaini offers something that we simply don't have. I would want Fellaini as 3rd choice central midfielder to rotate with Carrick or Fabregas who in my opinion will make a brilliant pairing if we can pull off the deal.

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Iv have to say fab and gun as well. Them two linked with a advanced kagawa would dominate the possession of almost every game

19JackC94

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24 Jul 2013 20:21:31
Evening Girls,

See you've moved on to Fabregas as the next in line to the throne.

Funny that if Barca except a bid that he will automatically chose you over Arsenal and that no one else will bid for him.

Fantastic player, he'd look great in light or dark blue. So much as I appreciate you having banter with your new nearest rivals, the gooners, don't think that it would be a two horse race for his signature.

What if PSG, Monaco etc make some crazy bid. You girls are so far up your own ar5e5 I'm amazed you can breath.

I don't even rate your chances if you got Fabregas, not even he can drag that crud midfield up to snuff.

I even read one of you lot listing that you had 6 world class players, one of which was Carrick and you're going to be playing like Dortmund. Of course you are.

Dont put yourselves through it, you are going to be so disappointed.

Great to see you're starting pre season just as you finished in the league, utter 5h1te.

Roll on the season, let's get you on that losing streak! See how the ginger prince shapes up in the big league.

Marcellus Wallace

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Cool story

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Reading your post reminded me of
the film PULP FICTION and remember
what happened to MARCELLOUS in
the basement by Z don't you my
pretty. stay off our page big boy.
Bye for now

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"he'd look great in light or dark blue. " That sort of stuff normally stays private on this website, but if you're that way inclined don't worry we don't discriminate.

Sparky

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What's this I hear about Mourinho trying to switch games to help you guys out? Seems he is already worried about the coming season, and going by your regular presence on our page, I think your well used, southern bum hole is already twitching.

Brendan81

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Don't know who you support but your obviously very bitter about how your team did last year. Who is your team? Have they strengthened? United won the league last year with a " mediocre" midfield by a country mile. Have they sold any of the players from last year? One player has retired and he barely played! What makes you think the league is going to be any different this year? Good luck to united this year, at least they turn over massive profits consistently and are lowering the debt every year. Without making Too many additions to their squad and spending ludicrous sums of money they are still able to increase the fan base every year also!

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Sorry, we don't want plastic fans of plastic clubs on our page. Do please leave.

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24 Jul 2013 20:09:42
Wat a joke southampton made bale the player he is. GDS your a joke

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I was making a point no name, it's called banter.

Anyone else want to point out why 'your a joke' is ironic, I don't even think I need to point it out.

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24 Jul 2013 18:43:44
Good evening gents. Just an observation but Cesc is not in the Barcelona starting XI or on the bench tonight against Bayern. Does anyone know where he is or if he's injured?

Timbostarr

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Break after the confed, same as Neymar, Iniesta, Busquets and many others

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Neither is xavi, iniesta etc etc. they played in Confederations cup

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Extended leave due to confederations cup

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Yes, confederation cup players aren't playing. Don't let the press sway your mind with none stories.

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Hes on his way to london for a medical.

unlucky lads he wants to play free flowing football not moyes defensive strategy.

malaga gooner

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Malaga

Almost a good point. I think you meant he wants to play free flowing football and win nothing

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Malaga gooner - What is it with you? You seem to think that all of a sudden youve won 20 league titles and a treble and can compete for the Premiership! You hassle us about our team have you looked at your own lately? Free flowing football may be pretty but how many titles have you won with it cus you didn't play like that when you were successful. The dust must be everywhere in the cabinet in the so called trophy room.

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Malaga gooner

Your bold predictions are outrageous. Just been over to your page where I see so far this summer you have promised your fellow fans that Higuain is a done deal, Casillas will be coming to be your no. 1 and that you'll get Lewandowski, Jovetic, Fellaini among other's. LOL

I don't think we need to worry ourselves about your inside knowledge, even the Arsenal fans have you rumbled.

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Is he joining Chelsea? I'd stay unlikely since they have an overstoked midfield

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Sorry unnamed poster.

i thought I was on a banter forum.

i don't think I have been offensive to any 1.

malaga gooner

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Dellusional not offensive :)

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24 Jul 2013 18:17:17
Seems like moyes is having a good look at some of our more talented youngsters which is great news

is this current crop are as good as the generation with beckham scholes, the nevilles etc when they first broke in to the first team?

can we win things with these kids?

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The class of 2013 is what I reckon we have this season, jazuaj lingard cole keane henriquez

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Please don't come moaning later in the season if he decides to go with the so called class of 2013.

They aren't ready (Adnan will get games) but some of the guys you mention aren't even on the tour.

In DM's own words he is looking at some whilst he can until it get's serious and then you will see last years squad plus incomings with the 2013 group playing the odd cup games.

If he goes with these we won't make CL next season.

When the class of 92 came in we had exceptional players around them and with the exception of one or two the quality isn't the same now to help these lads develop in such a way.

I honestly don't think the 2013 version is anywhere near as good as 92 version, I will be quite happy to be proved wrong.

A

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A - So we won the league last year at a stroll and yet without improvements we wouldn't make 4th? Man City have bought some talent but I wouldn't say they have drastically improved and Chelsea have bought a few players but not massively improved either and then don't get me started on Arsenal they have no chance.

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No Name please read what I said, if we go with the youngsters mentioned then we won't get fourth.

They aren't ready.

Simple but clearly difficult to understand.

Personally think City have bought very well, Chelsea will be stronger and both starting 11's were stronger than us last season. If you don't see that then you are more biased than me and believe me that isn't easy.

Spurs if they keep Bale and improve their forward line will be up there.

If Arsenal pull Suarez or Rooney off then so will they.

It will be far closer than last year.

A

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Adnan will get some game time if he doesn't go out on loan, likewise keane could play a bit part depending wether we buy garay or not. more likely he will go back out on loan. henriquez will go out on loan and cole is no where near the 1st team in my opinion other than carling cup games. we are probably never going to see as big a group as we did come through at the same time ever again.

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24 Jul 2013 18:16:21
According to a newpapaer (can't remember which one) it's says we will turn our attention to reus if fabregas fails.

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Yes, it's called "you just made up the rumour" newspaper.

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24 Jul 2013 18:10:50
Reading the website is very interesting, I check it often nowadays.

I know we all have a wish list for players, probably some from our lists will sign and some will stay put.

I want all loyal fans to just stay behind the team and the manager whatever we sign, whether it be Fabregas, Modric, Fellaini, Cabaye, Gustavo, Kroos, Ronny or Bale.

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Any of those players mentioned would greatly help the cause.

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24 Jul 2013 18:02:27
It's quite funny to see the Arsenal fans trying to rile us. Don't know about anybody else but I quite like Arsenal so I find it hard to get too bothered when they have a go. We used to be rivals and it got a bit tasty but nowadays, they are good to watch without being a real threat. Not sure why they feel the need to try and cause trouble on this page but I won't be rising to the bait, other that's say 2 words - eight years

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8-2 enough said.

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Arsenal still see us as their rival team, while they're not even on our radar. I think it's cute how they try to rile us up, silly gunners.

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AJH,

I tend to agree I quite like them too, the rivalry is long gone. I presume the fans feel they need to keep rivalry going so they are still in competition with the premier league winners.

As much as they say we are 'on the way down' they need us at the top to continue the rivalry / continue to hate us more than spurs.

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Couldn't agree more - I admire Arsenal and prefer them to the money teams but each summer their fans seem to forget they are now in a competition for the 3rd-5th spots and haven't won a bean in years whilst us City and Chelsea have picked up most major trophies. They are beginning to remind me of Lfc fans but I will never treat them with quite the same contempt :)

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24 Jul 2013 18:00:12
A lot of talk but very little action been done. I've never seen us so open about transfers and it's starting to make we wonder is DM out of his league, he's a bit like an ugly guy going out with a stunner, doesn't know how to handle her and knows everyone thinks he shouldn't be with her. We normally do most our transfer work behind the scenes, but are been very public this window ( maybe were chasing others and this is a smoke screen ). We won the league last year with 6-8 games left so we don't need loads of changes. I still think we need to let cleverly, smalling, jones, kagawa, develop plus give few of the young lads a chance. Changing squads every season doesn't mean success. You need youth getting a chance otherwise why have a youth system. Personally I think DM is the right choice once he settles in and realises to keep his transfers and other stuff to himself. I think Rooney should go, but has been badly treated by the club. I'd like to see 2 new players in but that's all, we don't need huge changes. Out would be Rooney nani Anderson. We could hold on to our money and see how we get on and make the big changes next season when we know better. We've always rebuilt teams that can win 2-4 prems rather than city quick fix and one prem. one little idea if we do want to spend huge is, we have 500m supporters worldwide, why don't we all send �1 in and we'd have �500m to spend!! Love the site

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That's a good point made at the end there, imagine a site where every united supporter paid 1pound a year resulting in as you said 500m coupled with a poll every year where people can vote on which player they want to see wear the shirt

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Not too dissimilar to the bring ronaldo home campaign. Without official club backing it would fail - just as that one did.

redseven

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Nice idea but many fans already stump up ticket money so probably wouldn't go for it.

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Tell me this is a wind up

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24 Jul 2013 17:37:09
As much as i'd like fabregas doesn't anyone else we should test dortmund with a 35m bid for ilkay gundogan

Discountdave

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Think*

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It wouldn't be so simple, and if Dortmund showed any interest in cashing in on him, Barca and Real would become interested.

Nathaniel

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Definitely. I think we should try to buy them both at £40 mill each if that's what it takes

to my mind that would be good business

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It's a slippery slope. Once you start paying over the odds - people will expect you to do so every transfer. Deals like Fernandinho's and Cavani's are a prime example of that.

Gundogan has 1 good season under his belt and has only just 'come good', having shown potential while at Nuremberg a few years back. £35m-£40m for him is ludicrous (considering Gotze and Thiago went for less and Neymar for not much more).

Gundogan is worth £20m-£25m, Fabregas £25m-£30m - although with the market the way it is paying £5m over the odds wouldn't be the end of the world. £10m-£15m would be mad though.

redseven

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I would have Fabregas over more of less anyone in the world. I think he and Carrick would be brilliant together, even if we had to use Jones in there when we need a 3 I would be over the moon.

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Well if that's the case why didn't we just pay that little bit extra for thiago then we would have had one player we need you can only blame I've got this look at me woodward and that crap from moyes we didn't whant him was just a cover from the slap in the face he got the lads farther even says he was close to signing it was moore ore less woodward penny pinching he could of been signrd before pep got involved a red united fan

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I would love to go for gundogan, I think he would be a real general for us for many of years. Barca don't have the cash to go for him and real are focusing on bale and have just signed casemerio and illameredi for that role

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24 Jul 2013 16:55:46
I don't like Fellaini but if we don't sign any midfielder I would accept Fellaini.

He would definitely improve our midfield.

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So would Leon Osman but I don't want us to buy him

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So basically you would settle for him. IMO we should never have to settle.

redseven

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24 Jul 2013 16:02:58
I think if we went in for Luis gustavo, Bayern would be willing to sell in a heartbeat, and we'd probably get him on the cheap. Why?

Well' it's no secret Bayern are interested in Jordan Rode, who is a very promising young German defensive midfielder, but with Schweiny, Martinez, Thiago and Gustavo ( maybe even Kroos at times ), they're already overstoked in midfield.

Bu buying Gustavo, we'd add a fair bit of strength and quality to our midfield, and they'd be able to buy Rode.

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Lets go and buy Rode ;)

Sydney!

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24 Jul 2013 16:41:01
You mean sebastian Rode? I thought he'd already agreed to join Bayern over a month ago.

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24 Jul 2013 16:47:48
Not to mention he can play CM, CDM, LB and CB! Only 25 and plays for Brazil regularly! ffs Moyes for �15m what a buy he'd be!

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Sebastian Rode, I have no idea why I was thinking about Liverpool's Jordan Ibe.

syd, Rode is a young german international. if given the choice he would go to Bayern, not us. And even if he joined us, he's be like Fabregas waiting for the opportunity to go to his hometown club and would wait for the opportunity to join the bavarians. And atm, Gustavo is the better player, and we need immediate quality, not just young talent.

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24 Jul 2013 15:34:04
So what is happening with Di Maria? Sh***y have Jovetic who's more of an old fashioned lefty, Chelsea have Mata, hazard etc who can play there.
I'd take him over young any day of the week and he has a soft spot for us.

Supasub

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Well I'd take Di Maria over any of our wingers. He's one of the fiercest dribblers in the game and not only would he be a great addition, he would also give the crowd something to be exoted about.

I would much rather have Lamela tbh, scores more and is more creative, and while he doesn't have the pace of Di Maria, he is much stronger and wouldn't kiss the ground everytime someone touches him.

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Lamela everyday of the week for me

19JackC94

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I cannot see us moving for Lamela. Really do think we are going for Ronaldo big behind the scenes while the Fabregas story is front of house.

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Hi Fresh!

An Ed on another page seemed to think Man City are ready to table a bid for Ronaldo, I tried to cut and paste it last night but it never got up. Not sure what to make of it at this stage but thought I'd share.

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24 Jul 2013 15:24:19
Sven Bender would be a brilliant signing for us. Probably a cheaper option than Fellaini & wouldn't cost the earth in wages. Would also compliment Fabregas brilliantly were we to get both of them. Moyes should definitely be having a look.

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Sven bender plays fopr Dortmund, and they have no alternatives for him ( expet an aging Kehl ). If they are to sign him, it wouldn't be for peanuts.

Id rather have Luis gustavo tbh.

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His brother Lars is the better player in my opinion. As far as I know he came through at 1860 too so might not want to run back to Bayern. very good option.

Rk16

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Lars would be the better option, easier to tempt to move and would have a smaller price tag.

19JackC94

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I have been far more impressed by Sven. Does a far more effective job than Lars imo.

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24 Jul 2013 15:22:09
Just My honest opinion

I feel if we meet Barca's Valuation of Fabregas they will sell and he will then choose us over any arsenal bid. (He's a winner and now he has had success at Barca will want to continue to be at the forefront of a title chase)

I think Fellaini is next on our radar and a top winger with Nani on his way out - my choices would be Di Maria, Lamela * Draixler as realistic - Bale & Ronaldo if we sell rooney to fund this although I feel replacing rooney is a must - Lewandowski on loan would be great business - keep him for a year let him fall in love with the club pay BD £5 - £8M for his services and fight with Bayern next year for his signature. Thoughts?

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24 Jul 2013 15:56:42
Sounds awesome on paper but why on earth would BvB loan Lewa to anybody?

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Well they will most likely keep hold of him until the end of his contract and let everyone fight over him.
I just think if we paid an amount up front - covered his wages and sent a player their way with the loan lasting till Jan they can then decide to sell for cut price but hopefully by that point he has had a great few months, got the fans on his side and swayed him away from Bayern.

DREAMLAND here I come

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24 Jul 2013 16:25:46
Finally someone who agrees with my out of the box idea to get RL on loan for a year! I reckon BVB would want more than that though. He wants out and it would be better for them to loan him to us rather than sell him to Bayern and I doubt they'd get much from Bayern. But even if he only stayed a year, a loan fee plus wages couldn't be much more than Rooney's wages alone.

Ben

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24 Jul 2013 16:50:41
Dreamland hwrebi come is a big understatement! I just don't see him fitting in if all of that was to go to plan, and if van Persie was to get injured I can only assume Chicharito/Ronny would be first choice cover at Striker

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24 Jul 2013 15:09:57
Barcelona financial director has said that from a economic point of view the sale of thiago was a good bit of business as they got 25 mill when his buy out clause was only 18.
maybe while United haggled over the price Munich just came in and paid what barce wanted.
Top player for �25 mill imo
jred

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According to Thiago's father it was Thiago's decision to choose BM. Guillem Balague also said MU were willing to pay the €25m, but the player chose BM.

Sydney!

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That was me
Jred

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24 Jul 2013 18:14:37
Syd
balague is the most unreliable person ever.
Did Graham H. not say at the time the issue was barcelona wanted tax etc paid on top of the 18mill.
In fact, I think you also posted something similar at the time.

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I don't understand why anyone would pay 25m if his buyout is 18m

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No name, there were tax issues that meant if the release clause was paid, Bayern would pay nearly 30 million but Barca would receive only 18 million, whereas with Bayern paying 25 million, Bayern only pay that 25 million and Barca receive 25 million which meant that paying more for the transfer fee had financial benefits for both clubs.

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24 Jul 2013 23:09:58
Sorry Jred, had to pop out.

Graham H. said there were two details left to be sorted out before a deal can be completed: 1) Fee (tax issue) and a detail in the player's contract. MU wouldn't have needed to speak to Barcelona about the tax until a deal was agreed with Thiago. So due to MU not agreeing a deal with Thiago the tax was never an issue. That also coincides with what Barcelona have said about MU not making an offer.

Like you said 25m euros is cheap for a player of his talents, I think MU would have agreed a deal with Barcelona like Balague said. That's just my opinion though.

Sydney!

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Thiago's father never said we were willing to pay 25 mill, he actually said we had discussions and were close but could not agree on terms.

Shahram

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24 Jul 2013 15:06:41
Why would we feel embarrassed for trying to run United down? I believe most of the gooners worldwide hate United more than Spurs. We had to sell players to fund the stadium, simple as that. Higuan went to Napoli because they paid the sum Real wanted. We just didn't wanted to stump the extra money Real wanted. We have cash now, which will be invested into the team, so with a few good acquisitions we can consider ourselves challengers. Also stating that Fabregas will ruin his career with us shows your ignorance towards other teams. You seem to think your club is the biggest and all that crap. I want to officially inform you that your time has ended. When I see Fabregas and United in the same sentence only one thing occurs on my mind - a pizza slice in the old drunk's face.

GoonerMKD
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With regards to the rivalry between United and Arsenal, it goes back only as far as the Keane and Vieira days. Frankly, that rivalry no longer exists, at least not in the eyes of United fans. The matches between both teams are no longer the fierce battles they were, which is a shame, as they were much more enjoyable than the two plastic clubs.

You hate United more than Spurs? Well, I don't see why, because, as I said, you are longer a rival. Perhaps it's bitterness. If so, it says a lot with regards to how far you have fallen.

You say you have cash now, well I haven't seen it spent on a player yet. You're linked with Higuain, Rooney, Suarez, yet not one of these will be at Arsenal next year. You will end up with another average young player or two, and will lose out to Tottenham for 4th place this time, because they are building a real team there right now, and Arsenal are trying to buy a problem in Luis Suarez, but it's obvious you won't get him, because 1) He wants to go to Real Madrid 2) He wants to leave England 3) Why would Liverpool sell to an English team?

It's common knowledge that Manchester United are considered one of the elite clubs alongside Barcelona and Real Madrid. Arsenal are below that. You are smaller than us.

Now we come to Fabregas. Ah yes, the pizza in the face. May I remind you who won that day? I think we ended an unbeaten record? Fabregas was a great player for Arsenal. He was one of the best midfielders Arsenal ever had. But, he left you for a bigger club and his boyhood club. It hasn't gone as planned. He has been on the fringes at Barca, and he is clearly not vital to Barca's plans. Now if he leaves, where does he go? Does he swallow his pride and return to Arsenal (provided they pay enough), seen as a failure at Barcelona? Or does he take a sideways step, to another elite club with a big chance of winning the PL and CL? No doubt you'll say he loves Arsenal, he would never join United, but let me take you back to a certain Robin van Persie in 2011, 1 year before he left for a bigger club: "I don't have the inclination to go anywhere. This is the best team for me to be in.

"The bottom line is that I want to win trophies with Arsenal, not with anybody else. I know you can win trophies in many countries and in many ways, but I want to do that in our way and in an Arsenal shirt.

"I'm sure I could win things at another team in another country, but would it feel like our trophy, my trophy? I'm not sure it would. Anything we win here will come from the heart and that's what I want.

"It's my dream and I see no point in speaking about other teams when I have these dreams. I think other people know that about me; I'm just hungry to win with Arsenal and that's it. "

And where did he go?

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Gooner got parred

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I have to admit, we have some great gooner fans on here that are great at banter, stoner and a few others, but this fool and that other dope paul are just plain Muppets who couldn't banter with their own reflection and win, come on guys u really are making yourselves look like fools and bringing any credibility others have acquired down

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Hello chris mate where have you been?

i want you to be the 1st 1 to go on the arsenal page to congratulate arsenal being pl champions next season.

get in there you little nugget.

malaga gooner

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Starting to see similarities between Arsenal and Liverpool. Next year is yours mate, or Liverpool's. Who knows

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24 Jul 2013 14:27:54
Afternoon All, I'm an avid reader of the site, I read daily great for others opinions and have supported Manchester United for 20 years!. 1st POST. I will apologise for the long comment but I like everyone else is not as optimistic as usual regarding our current squad and our actual chance of defending our title and in Europe to - I find our transfer activity rather strange - I have a feeling we have pursued a number of players but with the 2 bids which are public (Baines & Fabregas) there is a lot left to be desired. Baines for me is not good business - they will ask for around £18M for a player who has 4 years MAX! and in a position where we have 3 players (EVRA who may leave BUTTNER & Fabio) Fabregas I rate very highly and would be our best midfielder if he came but unless Barca except he will surely not ask to leave - it's his home club in his home land with his best friends who he plays with for club and country. Fingers crossed though but this signing would not be enough.
We need 2 midfields and a wide player IMHO and we will not get those players. Look at other teams and compare how good our midfield squad actually is
Chelsea - Lampard Essien Shuurlle Van Ginkel, Hazard, Moses, Mikel, Mata*, Ramires, Oscar

Man City - Navas, Silva*, Nasri, Toure*, Barry, Milner, Fernandinho, Rodwell, Javi Garcia, Sinclair

Bayern - Ribery, Martinez, Robben*, Shaquiri, Goetze*, Gustavo, Schweinsteiger*, Emre, Kroos, Muller

MANUTD - Carrick, Zaha, Nani, Kagawa, Cleverley, Jones (DM), Valencia, Giggs, Fletcher (when available), Anderson

Reading our players after those 3 midfields and ask yourself are we capable of dominating the midfield - the answer would be No, they all have 1-3 world class or close to it midfielders*and very good options after those - we have good in Carrick - a potential great this season in and no ball winners at all. Bayern have 5 or 6 midfield players better than our current best midfielder Carrick. The following should be shown the door - Anderson & Nani & replaced with one top winger e.g Di Maria, Bale, Ronaldo and Anderson to be replaced with 1 or 2 players e.g Fabregas, Fellaini who will bring a real presence, aerial threat and nuisance to our team, De Rossi (who has gone quiet in the window) Verratti (who will become a top player), Vidal, Marchisio.
We need a ball winner and a playmaker in midfield by the end of the market otherwise midfield battles in Europe and the top teams in the PL will be lost more times than won and ultimately with our current squad I can't see us dominating as we have previously as we are the only team yet to improve. Open for comments.
MCMC

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You are spot on, can't argue with that and I have been saying the same for some time.
Its not about us buying players like confetti, it is about us buying TOP players. Top players cost money and big wages, but we need to make up out minds whether we want to keep up with the likes of bayern real barca, city and Chelsea, or just reinforce with average or potentially good players. We have bought a load of those in the past few years, nani, Anderson, bebe, obertan, bellion, tosic, young and these cost a lot of money, but have been a disaster on the field and financially.
Sometimes, you just have to go out and buy the best to improve. Rvp is case in point.
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Totally agree. if you add up the money wasted on all the dross listed by no midfield it would probably be enough to buy a quality proven player

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24 Jul 2013 14:39:29
Why David Moyes not targeting some other quality players like Bender, Gustavo, Dembele, Marchisio rather than sticking with fabregas?
Why not bid for Kaka or Modric for 15 M, may get 1 or 2 years of service from them?
Javier pastore from PSG?

Midfield_maestro

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Thank the good lord your not dealing with utds transfers.

phil

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Probably because we are either not interested or we do not want to settle for second best when there is a chance of getting our 1st target. Kaka is utter dross now and has a huge contract Modric will probably looked at after Fabregas if we do not get him and will probably cost around £25m and would be around for longer than 1 or 2 years.

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I love watchinh Dembele play. I genuinely think he is one of the best midfielders in the Premier League. However Tottenham would want a fortune for him, we all know what Levy is like. Sir Alex should have signed him from Fulham.

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24 jul 2013 14:39:07
utd should go all out for bale and fabregas, keep rooney. never mind the left back slot, evra, buttner and fabio is enough.

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In agreement there I would even take fallaini if we got fab, bale keeping rooney is the right thing to do unless lewy signed which is unlikely

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24 Jul 2013 14:09:20
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If u want to sell somebody according to your points. then valencia should have been first to go. then our beloved EVRA. shouod have gone 3 seasons back.
Then age old giggs and than nani.
Befor Rooney.

One can have off season.
THE PROBLEM MOST UNITED SUPPORTERS ARE HAVING WITH HIM IS THE TRANSFER REQUEST HE HAD PUT 2 SEASONS AGO.

Rodio17

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Rodio17 - The problem is not just that, it is many problems with Rooney. The transfer request 2 years ago, turning up to pre-season overweight and struggling with it all season with no form, his touch and pace have deteriorated drastically over the last 2 years. His ego is bigger than his talent, he does not want to play for us any more and wants a huge contract when he does not deserve it at all. At the end of the day he has been a very good player for us and will be remembered for years but every dog has his day and his has gone at United. Thank him for his services get as much money as possible and replace him with a younger player who is eager to put on the United shirt and put 110% effort in.

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George, I think you know and we all know that radio 17 is right on this one. Some united fans hate him because he put in the transfer request.
You say his touch has deserted him, his place has deteriorated. But he still scored 16 goals and made a load of assists playing out of position.
All the time, the other persons like nani, Anderson, cleverly, young, were quite happy to take the salary and play total dross. But they didn't hand in a transfer request because no team in their right mind will want them, simple as that.
Rooney goes up for sale and there is a queue of top clubs waiting to sign him, does that not give you and clues as to why this will be the case?
Do you honestly think that mourinho and Wenger, two of the best coaches in the world, are stupid chasing after him? I think deep down, all Rooney haters know that if he goes to Chelsea, he will be devastating.
We are finding it difficult to attract any of the top players over here, so why do we want to get rid of one so easily?
Nomidfield

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I think even those who say Rooney is declining know that he is still a dangerous player who will do well for whoever buys him (initially at least).

The problem people like me have with keeping him is that he is a disruptive influence with a big ego that surely must be, and will continue to be, damaging to the squad.

He may do well for another club, but I don't think he would be as good for us, simply because he is unhappy and unhappy players don't play at 100%.

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No based on my points the players with the lowest value in our team would be Valencia Giggs and Evra not the first to go. As I'm sure people will agree as Valencia is worth 5-10m Giggs doesn't have a value (Priceless to us but doesn't make financial sense buying a 39 year old so 'worthless') and you'd get 5 mil for Evra.

A point I did forget to mention is that age also is a contributing factor.

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24 Jul 2013 13:54:13
Adnan being quoted he rather fight for a place in the first team than be out on loan.

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24 Jul 2013 13:45:30
We need to be completely honest with ourselves here and accept the fact that Fabregas/G�ndogan/Modric/�zil will not be joining us at all so my question to all of you is if you we're to stick your neck out then who would you call the shots on us signing realistically this summer
I'll go with us signing Cabaye and perhaps Fellaini in a very best case scenario if we're very lucky
Your thoughts?

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Why will we not sign any of those players?

I think Fabregas & Modric are both real possibilities.

I'd say Fabregas, Fellaini & Baines.

Still think there's a possibility of Bale or Ronnie to. Although I think Bale is more likely.

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I think we will get one of the 4 players you said will not be joining us. They are a necessity and we clearly have the funds available.

Leave a name, makes your posts seem like they aren't from a Liverpool / Arsenal / troll.

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I'm lucky, I just got an Ice cream.

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24 Jul 2013 15:34:08
I'm going to stick my neck on the line and say I don't think we have any interest in Fellaini. With Moyes' connections at Goodison I would have imagined if we had any interest then something would have happened by now. He has a buy out clause and Moyes will know what that is.

I don't have any real facts to back up my theory, its more of a gut feeling.

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If we are lucky? Talk about being a pessimist, Jesus! We are one of, if not THE, biggest clubs in the world, why shouldn't we be aiming for the best players around? I'm glad Moyes is at least targeting the types or players that can improve us even further. Get a grip

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Shappy,

Would you not agree with me when I say Moyes is being smart & knows that united fans are split I've Fellaini, thus he wants to sign a Fabregas/Modric or someone of that stature first. Then possibly turn his attention to Fellaini?

I think they could both be in red next season.

I guess we'll find out soon as I've heard Fellaini has a release clause in his contract for 22mill that expires soon. Surely Everton will push for 25-30 once it has.

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24 Jul 2013 16:10:13
There's a reason for me to think differently to you
Manchester United are one of the biggest clubs in the world as you say, maybe you're right but that doesn't change the fact that we're minows in the transfer market
Since we play hardball with teams in trying to get the price as low as possible a bigger team ALWAYS gazumps us and beats us to it as they were willing to pay top dollar for their player and they got him
This is why we have to settle for second-rate players (Fellaini, Cabaye) as they wouldn't attract big name suitors and ultimately that is why we are falling behind in Europe and will fall behind even quicker in the EPL too
As much as I'd love to see the names mentioned I think we have to accept the fact that it's all pure fantasy and that we have to settle for the third and fourth rate players

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24 Jul 2013 16:47:52
United we stand, I just don't think Moyes wants to bring Fellaini to United. He knows about the clause and he knows when it expires. There is no reason not to move for Fellaini if he wants him. I think Moyes is more concerned with winning titles then keeping fans happy, if he wants to win titles then it is best to get your squad all together asap.

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24 Jul 2013 13:04:33
Just been trolling the Barca rumours site
to see what their feelings are about Cesc
REDFAITH has been stirring them up good
and proper WELL DONE FELLA

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Why you gloating. nobody cares.

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24 Jul 2013 12:16:31
So Fabregas seems to have opinions torn as to the likeliness but let's assume that happens, most people are convinced we will then pursue fillani for around 24 million, my opinion is that if we have 24 million for him why on earth wouldn't we try for Modric first instead? He would sure move for around that figure perhaps a little more and I for one would love to see modric fabregas carrick and cleverly as our CM options, eds/posters do you think this is at all likely? {Ed004's Note - Or Ozil? Madrid seem to be trying to selll players to raise funds. I reckon a midfield 3 of Fabregas, Carrick and Ozil would be brilliant with Rooney being sold to raise money for a right midfielder like Lamela}

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That's a lot of creativity and not a lot of Steel or defensive midfielders

19JackC94

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Or Gustavo, khadira, Alonso, kroos etc etc etc.

choose your favourite. there are many better mid fielders we could probably sign for £24 mill or less

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I think the idea is to have Carrick sitting back orchestrating things, a strong box-to-box midfielder like Fellaini and a creative midfielder like Fabregas playing further forward. I see a 4-3-2-1 formation with Kagawa and another (Zaha, Rooney, Bale, Ronaldo?) playing off RVP with the width coming from the full backs (which might be why signing a left back could be vital).

I have no sources or evidence to back that up. Just a theory and one that would makes sense if all of the players united are linked to go ahead. We'll see. Still plenty of time. Stay positive.

Matt

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24 Jul 2013 15:22:17
4-3-2-1?

The Terry Venable Christmas tree from the mid 90's?

might work nowdays, I didn't then tho'

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BloodRedSummer

I don't think it would be as strict as the 'Christmas tree' and that the players available would make it quite a fluid system. The game has changed since the mid 90s too. It's all about possession now and I honestly think it would work.

Matt

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24 Jul 2013 11:34:31
I have seen arsenal fans talking about united as if we are going to suddenly finish outside the top 4 this season and that fabregas would be stupid to come to us and will go to them because they now have loads of money and are buying all the big players.

The last time I checked united won the premier league last season and have not sold any of what would be called the first team. We are expected to sign a centre midfielder and a left back and probably one more meaning we are going to be stronger than last season.

Arsenal finished 4th (just) and have yet to buy anybody or show that they suddenly have all these finances. I keep hearing arsenal fans saying 'lets hope Uniteds bid gets accepted for fabregas then we can swoop in and bring him home. ' Is it just me or would fabregas be ruining his career going back to arsenal, he left for a reason and it wasn't just because Barcelona was his dream, he deserted a sinking ship and rvp followed afterwards.

Looking forward to the next week, think we will finally see some transfer market action and the team will start to come together for the new season, then it's full speed ahead wembley 2 weeks on Sunday!

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Fabregas wouldn't go back to arsenal that's like going from the first team back to the reserves. this new found money arsenal have isn't doing them any favours they haven't attracted anyone big as of yet, even higuain picked napoli. so to say there on the up is rubbish but they said all this when we signed rvp
red dev

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Ruining his career?

we made his career.

malaga gooner

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Completely agree, and why have you added a 2 to your name?

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I couldn't have wrote this better myself. If I was a gooner I'd feel embarrassed when trying to run United down.

Arsenal have been a selling club for a long time now yet suddenly their deluded fans think they're challengers once more.

Even funnier is the fact many think we have had our day when in reality the team that won last year is still there & we WILL 100% add to this.

So if anything, come the start of the season we will be stronger & for one cannot wait to see Arsenal try & fend off Spurs. If spurs keep Bale they'll finish above arsenal this season.

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24 Jul 2013 12:40:23
It's disappointing to read stuff like this, Arsenal decided to build a stadium for the future, the only reason we are or were in that position. We are out of it now and will no longer sell. That you are ignorant of that shows your lack of understanding.

It may not be this coming season but we now have the opportunity to greatly improve.

How do you know what Cesc thinks, maybe he has set this ball rolling to return to Arsenal. That you see it as a step down from you is a little silly, but no less than expected I guess.

We have removed a lot of dross from our team, you talk about challenging for the UCL, do you imagine you're are going to get remotely close to that with the likes of Cleverley, Nani, Anderson, Welbeck, Young, Valencia and co.

You are as far behind the big guns of Europe as we have been behind you. Difference is, we had a reason, what's yours?

Stoner

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Malaga,

I 100% agree that you did, and I appreciate the emotion that is involved when discussing Fabregas with Arsenal fans, this is pretty obvious. A lot of them clearly believed him when he said he would never play for anybody else in the Premier League and would feel like he has betrayed them if he was to do so.

Unfortunately it is like saying that Southampton made Gareth Bale, he isn't going to go back there as it would ruin his career and he would be better off at Spurs.

The love for Fabregas is genuine from Arsenal fans I can see that and love does make you do and say some very strange things, maybe out of desperation even if you don't believe them.

The funny thing is, we would be signing Fabregas from Barcelona and it has nothing to do with Arsenal, but for some reason Arsenal fans have felt the need to lay into United and tell us we are on the way down now, how awful Moyes is etc etc. Fabregas isn't an Arsenal player, it is not like last year when we signed van Persie.

Why don't you go on to the West Brom page and slag them off for signing Anelka, after all, you made his career.

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Why would we feel embarrassed for trying to run United down? I believe most of the gooners worldwide hate United more than Spurs. We had to sell players to fund the stadium, simple as that. Higuan went to Napoli because they paid the sum Real wanted. We just didn't wanted to stump the extra money Real wanted. We have cash now, which will be invested into the team, so with a few good acquisitions we can consider ourselves challengers. Also stating that Fabregas will ruin his career with us shows your ignorance towards other teams. You seem to think your club is the biggest and all that crap. I want to officially inform you that your time has ended. When I see Fabregas and United in the same sentence only one thing occurs on my mind - a pizza slice in the old drunk's face.

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AJH,

I tried to explain the other day but the eds deleted the part of the post. My original name was banned for abusing an editor on another site even though I had never been on another site. I emailed them and they said the best thing for me to do was to rejoin using a different name so I have done.

Eds if you want to change any of the wording of this I am more than happy just wanted to answer AJH.

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Stoner, you are mentioning squad players and 1-2 of them will be sold this summer. You need a large squad to compete, we have a great squad and now we just need to improve the first XI.

Sydney!

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Stoner, you have heard that a family called the glazers saddled utd with a little bit of debt.

so since you ask, there are about 500 million 'excuses'

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GoonerMKD - That is where football has gone wrong by building too much of a rivalry between competitors that have no rivalry just because they are both decent teams. Your rivals should be Spurs and you should despise them just like we despise Man City and Liverpool because they are our neighbours. Your ethic of most Gooners hate United more than Spurs is where modern football fails.

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MKD,

YOU feel that YOU can OFFICIALLY say our time has ended?

How exactly do you work that out? Bearing in mind we are the Premier League champions, surely we aren't doing too badly!

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Can someone please tell me where all this enthusiasm from Arsenal fans is coming from? Who exactly have they signed that is going to close the gap from last season?

A move for Higuain which hasn't materialized yet and Napoli look to be moving forward with it. A 40mil bid for Suarez, which has been rejected with Real Madrid expected to make a move. Even if they do get him signed up, is it going to be anywhere near enough to elevate them to the top level? Apart from these rumors, what do Arsenal have really? They are being successfully conned by Gazidis.

Its a team that struggled to get into the top 4, nothing more.

With or without Sir Alex, we are better in attack, better in defense, better in the goalkeeping department and one midfielder short of being better midfield as well. Hell we dominated the Arsenal midfield even in its pomp with the likes of Fabregas, Nasri etc in it. It was so bad for you lot that Wenger couldn't deal with the midfield genius that was Darren Fletcher and moaned about him stifling your play.

I can understand they are sentimental about Fabregas, but there is no way he would want to return to Arsenal right now, but he could come to the English champions, who are willing to pay a big amount (which is the only reason that Barcelona might consider selling him). Gooners have been living in their fantasy world of a 50% sell on clause, which later turned out to be a 50% of profit on sale clause and are living in the bubble that somehow they have inserted a clause of 25mil buyback, a figure they somehow picked out of thin air!

A hard negotiator like Barcelona accepting such a clause for a player they knew was desperate to join them? No chance! It will be a high release clause perhaps, or just a clause in which they are informed about bids and allowed to match them if accepted, nothing more.

When push comes to shovel, I expect Fabregas to stay at Barcelona.

At United we are aware of our shortcomings in midfield, we are aware that Rooney isn't the same player anymore, we are aware of the challenges that lie ahead without Sir Alex. Unlike Arsenal fans, people here are living in the reality that we are a top club in England, but we need to improve in Europe and in midfield.

The challenge won't come from Arsenal this season to our premier league crown, it will be from City or Chelsea.

REDFAITH

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GoonerMKD, to suggest 'our time' has ended, insinuates a sheer lack of football knowledge on your part. To put it mildly: you're talking out your backside. United are one of the biggest clubs in world football, with one of the biggest operating profits. A team of United's size ans stature, will not fall apart. We will simply buy our way out of trouble; and that will be the case, as the top brass have realised that Moyes isn't Sir Alex, and he isn't going to be expected to create miracles. He will be given the funds to strengthen in any area he see's fit.

We will sign Fabragas, along with other players of top quality.

Arsenal are a spent force, and Wenger is a puppet - used to aggrandize the wealth of your owners. I mean, all your best players end up coming North. So one has to ask: is that a sad indictment of the city of London, or your dross of a team?

Samthered

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Typical Arsenal fan. GoonerMKD.

You hate united more than Spurs because we have maintained our level both domestically & in Europe, whereas you lot have for backwards, badly. To the point where all your best players wanted to leave. Cesc & RVP are very good examples.

The point I was making is that I would neve slate another club just for the sake of it (city & liverpool excluded). Arsenal fans have been on here & other sites I visit consistently saying united are a spent force. We've just won a land mark title for god sake. We will improve the team & I really hope Fabregas is one of those improvements so I can say I told you so.

Regardless of signings, if we are a spent force would you like a little wager we finish above you next season? I'll even give you a points handicap.

You need valid points to hold the high ground in a debate. Arsenal have failed in recent years, we have dominated domestically so your argument about us being done is ridiculous & smacks of desperation.

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GDS

I had the same issue. I was told I had been abusive on another site and was also barred for a while. There is an AJH on the Liverpool site so I assumed it was him. All sorted now though

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Malaga gooner,

Your name would be much better if it was just malagooner

Jaxer

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Wat a joke southampton made bale the player he is. GDS your a joke

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You tell them stoner

malaga gooner

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24 Jul 2013 11:28:34
Does anybody think Cleverly should be given shooting practice lessons.
Give him credit he tries hard and does the odd good thing, but he couldn't hit a barn door from five yards out.

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He couldn't hit a barn-door with a Banjo.

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Yer

J J

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He should be given the Spanish Archer (the el-bow)

Simmo

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I think he needs a bit more than shooting practice

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I don't like to run down our own players but I don't think he's united class. Never rated him. He's a squad player IMO.

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24 Jul 2013 11:10:31
I know a few on here see Cesc Fabregas as the midfield problem solver, but could it be that the club see him as Rooney's replacement and that is why we are so interested in him and so adamant of signing him? It is pretty obvious the club will not sell Rooney without signing a replacement first and it all seems to fit into place.

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Perhaps the plan is to sign Cesc and then sell Rooney. Perhaps we will see Cesc playing in the hole just behind RvP?

Personally I think he's better deeper and think Kagawa should play behind RvP, but perhaps that's the way the club are looking at it?

Sydney!

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Have been thinking this for a while, to be honest I hope it happens. Fab is an upgrade to Rooney as he's a total pro and doesn't give the ball away.

Red Joe

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That is what I am thinking Moyes wants to do, maybe the fact that he did a pretty good job for Spain as a centre forward backed up Moyes' idea to play him there as he is a very good finisher.

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I can't see that, one of Fabregas complaints at Barca was playing to far forward along with not being played in the big games.
Fabregas wants to play in midfield and it's where we need to strengthen.
If we got Fabregas I would follow that up with Fellaini and Baines and if Rooney is sold replace him.
that would be a very happy summer for me!

Simmo

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Perhaps we will play a 433 like barca and see carrick deep with fabregas and kagawa playing along side infront however I do not see carrick good enough to play that role alone

19JackC94

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24 Jul 2013 10:56:50
Why is Manchester United not linked to Christian Eriksen?

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Because he has whored himself around Europe since not getting a move to Real or Barca.

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I think Mr Eriksen thought that he was better than what he is spouting off about wanting to play at Barcelona, Real etc.
He was never good enough for Real, Barca or Bayern and now his agent is trying deperately to get some clubs interested in him.

Simmo

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Correct he wouldn't get in barca real or bayern due to there incredibly strong midfields but let's not forget that this is definatally an area in which we lack and I for one think he would be a great addition to our midfield options and with just a year left on his contract there is a possibility he could also be quite cheap and I don't think we should let this one slip through

19JackC94

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If he is not good enough for barca real and Bayern then he is not good enough for united

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24 Jul 2013 10:20:31
Why do United not offer 70 million for Bale? Statistically he's better than Ronaldo at the same age. Its clear Real's purchase of Ronaldo was a great buy, they made Millions back in shirt sales and got a sure 40 goals a season from him. To me that's great business.

Assuming Bale continues to develop, which i'm sure most of you would agree he will do, he could be just as useful to United as Ronaldo has been to Madrid.

Thoughts. ?

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Stats don't always tell the full story. the premier league was much better and harder back in 2007/8.

Also Ronaldo played mainly on the right where as bale played most of his games this season CF.

Bale was more consistant at a younger age than Ronaldo (18-21) but when Ronaldo hit 22/23 he was the best player in the world and won the Ballon'dor.

Also 70m for Bale just isn't worth it, we could get 2 world class players for that price.

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Ronaldo at his age had just scored 42 goals, something unheard of in the EPL.

Bale constantly shoots when he gets the ball and managed 20 goals.

I would put Bale in the same league as Eden Hazard, he's a good player but dream on if you think he's better or 'statistically better' than ronaldo.

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Wasnt Ronaldo 24 when he banged in 42 goals for us in one season? Where are the stats to say Bale is better?

1redarmy

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Ronaldo is on another planet to Bale. Ronaldo is a freak like Messi. Bale maybe 4 years younger, but physically they are probably around the same age. With Bale's poor injury record, I would sooner have Ronaldo and think Ronaldo will have a longer and more injury-free career. If the club did want Bale and was willing to spend £70m on him, then I would be asking questions as to why we didn't by a fitter and better Ronaldo instead.

Sydney!

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24 Jul 2013 11:08:27
I've no real idea why people get so hung up over these two guys. They are simply fantastic players and at the top of their respective games and any team would have either of them in a heart beat no matter who scored, passed, ran, shot, dribbled or had the cooler hair cut.

If Real Madrid end up with both, geez.

Stoner

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Bale isn't better than Ronaldo when Ronaldo was 24 and Ronaldo is still streets ahead of Bale at the moment but I would sooner spend 70 million on Bale. Ronaldo is nearly 29 years old, it's crazy money for a 29 year old. Having said that 70 million pounds is crazy for any footballer.
The worlds gone mad!

Simmo

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Lol, it takes an Arsenal fan to talk sense on this one

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24 Jul 2013 10:20:00
for 22m Fellaini would be a brilliant buy, better than Cleverley, Anderson, Fletcher and giggs.

would love to see this.
Fellaini Carrick
Zaha Fabregas Kagawa
RVP

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I agree. I would like to see this lineup too. With this we could control the midfield for a change.

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Now that would be good.
I wold still keep Rooney or if Rooney does go I still think we need somebody to come in a replace him.

Simmo

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Simmo I agree, what about something like this.

___Fellaini__Carrick___
Lamela___Fab___Kags
_________RVP______


Don't forget if RVP gets inured we will have Hernandez who given Fab and Kags behind hi will thrive off of the through balls plus Welbeck (yeah I know) and Zaha who imo could be a stellar singing but also Fabregas played CF for Spain so he can obviously do a job there if need be. {Ed004's Note - I would far rather the money spent 24 or so million would be spent on De Rossi or someone of that class or even someone to play were Fabregas is and drop him back like Ozil}

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Ed004 - Same mate but I think the club see Fabregas as Rooney's replacement whether that is position wise or stardom wise I don't know but I prefer him as the Xavi type firing balls around the park and getting into the box when need be. Obviously Fellaini is not my first choice but Moyes is a mega fan of his and can see it happening.

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24 Jul 2013 10:08:11
I am getting good feelings about a few things in the transfer market. The fact that we are still pursuing Fabregas shows promise and he is allegedly considering his future. It surprises me that this is seeming so likely. We then have Perez who keeps saying how Ronaldo will end his career at Madrid despite no word what so ever on the subject from Ronnie.

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Damn Fresh you just put the curse of the cat p1ss on it

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24 Jul 2013 09:48:37
i have to say the mancs are a better class of supporter on this forum.

always have a bit of fun you boys.

must be hard being a scouser, ha

malaga gooner

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Cheers Malaga,

As long as the banter is kept to just that, banter, then everybody can enjoy it. And some of the comments from Arsenal fans below can definitely be described as 'banter' even if a little deluded if they believe them.

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Malaga

Depends on the Manc and the Gooner to be honest. We all have fans who like a bit of banter but we also both have our fair share of idjits

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24 Jul 2013 12:59:14
EASY he is not rated by your own management
he peeked earlier in his career than RVP. Ok
im a liverpool fan but I would say he's down the england pekin order as well. Likely that he will be behind the likes of Ox and Sturridge before long.

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24 Jul 2013 09:15:18
HELLO ALL.

I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE A QUESTION TO ALL HATERS AND SUPPORTERS.

1) CAVANI 53M
2) HIGUAINE 34M
3) SUAREZ 40M+
4) JOVETIC 23M
5) soldado 25m
And I m not mentioning another city striker of 24m.

Now why reported clubs bid only 20m or 25m for rooney?
Is he that down rated. By states and reputation he is above all of them that why such bias bids?

Why our own supporters are in favour of selling him for around 30 to 35m?

Specially there is no replacement available at same price and of same quality.

He should not be sold for anything less than 50m if above transfer happened at mentioned rate. FIRSTLY I M NOT IN FAVOUR OF ROONEY SALE AT ALL.

I FEEL WHEN WE PLAYED ARSENAL WE HAVE BEST STRIKER IN ROONEY AND NOW SUDDENLY WHEN RVP IS HERE AND PEOPLE HAVE SOME GRUDGES ABOUT LAST CONTRACT DISPUTE HE HAS BECAME SECOND RATED?

SOME PEOPLE ARE SO BIAS.
HE IS STILL THE BEST STRIKER AT UNITED.
AND PLEASE don't COME WITH LAST SEASONS STATES AS HE HAS PLAYED EVERYWHERE OTHE THAN STRIKER.

I OPENLY SAY WITHOUT FEAR OF GETTING DOWN I SUPPORT ROONEY TO BE HERE AS HE IS THE BEST.
AND IF CLUB let's HIM GO FOR SPORT POLITICAL REASONS, THEY WILL SEE THEY DID MISTAKE.

RODIO17

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Value of players is a complex formula. You can't just value them in comparison with others.

It all boils down to a few main points:
Length of current contract
Current Form
If the player wants to leave/ submitted a transfer request.

The three things mentioned above determine a valuation and let's see what this implies to Rooney.

2 years Left
Sh!te
Is reported to want to leave.

All of these lower his value.
If we went back to two seasons ago BEFORE he handed in his transfer request then his value would be significantly higher.

However all this will mean nothing if the owner (s) doesn't want to sell.

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Well said. I too do not want rooney
to be shipped out. Until he is seen
infront of a camera telling his side
of the story I am under the impression
it is all guff- (rubbish to sell papers)




BFRO

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No need to shout Rodio

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It's more to do with the fact he wants to leave really!

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I agree with some of you statements but the caps lock looks childish. On the player, Rooney is a very good player, and a very talented player, a maverick maybe. The fact is Rooney scores and makes loads of goals even when he plays at an average level. So many people just look at Rooney with a lot of hate, whereas all the top managers and club want to buy him.

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Dodgy

There you go again making me spit my drink out!

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I wasnt shouting HONEYBADGER.
As I started. I was just poin8ng out some points. And by caps was highlighting them.

Rodio17

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Rodio,

I don't think you 'highlight a point' by putting the whole thing in capitals, it just looked like some mad rant and to be honest, I've not even read it.

Can you see the DIFFERENCE between this and this.

I AM CLEARLY SHOUTING BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING IS IN CAPITALS!

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Lol Rodio, Honeybadger and DodgyBanter! Got a little confused there mate.

Deeps.

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24 Jul 2013 09:15:03
Not directly United related, but I can't wait for Suarez to come out and say he wants a move to Arsenal after all his ludicrous comments about being targeted by the media. I don't suppose any Liverpool fans will come on here and admit we were right about him all along, but at least they'll be sick as parrots.

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A Liverpool fan I work with reckons he will want to talk to Arsenal to try and force a bid from Real Madrid

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24 Jul 2013 09:06:23
Cesc is on his way 35m now build on
this and go get Gustavo Fellaini Baines
Zouma and put your arm around Rooney

U and I T E D!!!!

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Cesc will be Rooney's replacement mate.

Not sure we will go for three midfielders either.

Sydney!

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24 Jul 2013 08:16:58
Good day y'all. I have not posted since February but I visit almost daily. This silly season is nerve wrecking. But to take my mind of it, I just need opinions on this issue. I didn't see much of Giggs while growing up (started watching live matches on TV in 2004 and I have never been to Old Trafford, Kloot). Who is better Giggs at 24 and Bale at 24?. Valid points will be appreciated. Thanks


PeeBoaiy

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If bale can continue his form for another 8 or so years he will be the better player no doubts, but I have my doubts about that.
Giggs was a wonderful player and in his middle 20's if he could of stayed fit would of been in the top 3 in the world consistently. But come the end of bales career i'm sure he will say if has 1 25% of honours giggs has, he will of had an amazing carrer

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Giggs was better when he was 19 never mind when he got to 24.

Think Bales got a long way to go to match Giggsy

(Bagolego)

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Giggs all dayy. giggs was so good eatch terrrorising defences.

singh

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Giggs is a better winger, Bale better central.

Sydney!

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I think it depends where you're playing them. As an out & out winger Giggs Was the best I've seen in his twenties. His pace, dribbling & ability to go past a player were second to non. I think Bale played more centrally is better. Where he can turn & get shots off.

I'm die hard united so will always say Giggs.

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Giggs at 24. sorry I can't remember that far back he's so bloody old! Lol.
Nathan

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Yes and gigs is still being selected on past performances replace him soon as possible

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24 Jul 2013 03:20:35
I am going to give Gan some credit and say he may be on to something if Fabregas is a target along with Ronaldo/Bale then there would be 2 sets of funds made available with 1 being substantially larger than the other. It would also explain why we never bid for Thiago I would think we made his agent aware of what we were willing to offer him and see if he wanted a move to us. I do believe we had an interest but knew he wasn't going to come to us. I am worried that things are taking longer but considering that our main targets have played in the Premier League already you would think with their ability they would be able to fit in with relative ease. I am not saying we should draw out our transfers any longer because I would like to see what the team is going to look like instead of worrying until the last day of the window. I have faith that United will make the big decisions for us to compete we will not end up like Liverpool. It is easy to become a doom merchant but you must back the team and trust that they know more than us. Excited about what's to come have a feeling there are big things coming hang in there guys and girls.

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24 Jul 2013 02:54:11
23 Jul 2013 21:41:38
ngiak/gan,

with regards to your earlier post, how large are the sums of money that you are referring to?

TS87""
dear mr ajh
ngiak thanks you for the compliment
however, penguins do not have feathers
there is serious turmoil within the ranks at OT as the processes of change have been instituted
the backroom transition have been very smooth
however the player transition is in a mess
the wantaways and the unwanted have been notified
but with the incoming deals hitting snags
the club will be desperately short in quality and numbers
it's getting a little disconcerting
dear mr ts87
ngiak has no idea about the amounts
a rough guess from the activities should be one deal under 30 and another above 40
it's not rocket science but all ngiak knows is there is a significant difference
any others with any ideas on what these deals are?
gan

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So mister penguin, if we fail to get some of our targets, we might end up keeping the wantaways and the deadwood?

In other terms if we fail to get Fabregas rooney is going nowhere?

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Dear Mr Gan penguins DO have feathers. Hope your other postulations are more accurate!
SOC

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Dear mr mick
that may very well be the situation
ngiak finds it scary as it may lead to a dressing room with a few bad apples and unhappy campers for the start of the season
that's ngiak's worry
the other rather viable option is.
get rid of the lot. aka the time when hughes, kanchelskis, ince and the lot were sold
and the first ever fergie's fledglings were introduced who "would never win anything with kids"
moyes' minions, anyone?
gan

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Sounds good to me. And get Lamela and Draxler andwe'd have a team capable ofbuilding a legacy and driven by Van Persie ( like Cantona in the 90s )

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24 Jul 2013 01:35:54
I thought I had logged in to my account. A first for everything we should say, from now on a stalwart amongst the ranks hah!

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24 Jul 2013 00:51:29
My problem with letting Ando go is if we let him go and his new club decides to play him in his right position and then he becomes world class and then we will say if only we had done the same.

SAF has murdered to many players by playing them out of position and I fear a lot of our players could have been far better/progressed more if they were used rightfully.

If we only get the right players for the right position then our team would have been where Barca/FC Beyern/ Mardid/ Dortmund are now.
Too many make shift players.

diego

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Agreed. cumulating in the farce of playing Rafael in central midfield which contributed to pogba leaving and our desperate need for central mid fielders.

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Anderson will never be world class. He is good for twenty minute spells but not world class. Let him go as he's achieved nothing in six years.
There again, some think nothing of selling Rooney who apparently had a disastrous season and still managed 16 goals and loads of assists. Both are, but only Rooney gets it in the neck.
Now if we do sell Rooney to chelsea, we're going to find out very soon that he is world class.
Nomidfield

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One more example. he has stopped nani from being trick master and asked him to keep it simple so he changed his style. And he is gone. He was worst player changer

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My god!

Please explain to me then in what position has Ando done anything of note for anything more than 45 mins in a couple of games before getting injured again?

Maybe SAF knew his body wasn't up to the fatigue caused by performing a more advanced role consistantly? Maybe his first big injury caused him mental problems that cause him to balloon? maybe he just is not good enough and the 'promise' he showed in a massive 20 games for Porto (and a broken leg) and in the first season for us was just a flash in the pan?

Going by his other 5 years, yes 5 years with us learning from Scholes, Ronny, Rooney, Giggs etc he still has not produced ANYTHING of note!

This guy doesn't warrant a space in the squad and if Gan is to be believed that the outgoings are effected by incomings then we can look forward to his 5-10 70mins worth again this season. Joy!

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Why do people keep rattling on about Anderson becoming world class. it's just getting really boring now.
If anything Anderson is getting worse, the older he gets the more overweight he looks.
He will never ever be world class.
He's been absolutely useless in the six seasons he's been at United.
Waste of space, waste of earlt potential!

Simmo

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24 Jul 2013 00:41:29
Followed the site for the past 5-6 years now. Rare poster. But I've decided to participate now more fervently what with the prospect of next season and prospective signings. That is of course to mention fabregas who I can see us definitely signing. Moyes pursues his targets differently to how SA did, he did it at Everton and I like the fact he doesn't mind being particularly frank. He will pull all the stops to get fabregas and he will arrive after our next bid of €41, which will be realised within the next few days.

Having watched us play since football has undergone gradual change from counter attack to intricacy and positional play we haven't quite kept up with the pace but have won trophies with signings such as RVP, the goals of Rooney and the performances of players like Valencia and Carrick, as well as being very solid defensively. The recent signing of Kagawa, Nick Powell and now fabregas show that we are slowly changing our dynamics. I think this coming season we are to see a serious improvement in our play. We still retain the pace and power out wide with Valencia (whose form will be rediscovered with his becoming accustomed to. his awkward leg length discrepancy) and the exciting Wilf Zaha.

As such I suspect our team will change in terms of balance where the three behind RVP will be kagawa fabregas and zaha. Both kags and zaha have the ability and cunning to cut in. Here Anderson or Jones will partner MC in midfield depending upon the difficulty of opponent midfields. A variation on this (which I am most excited about, and is what I suspect most of fans want to see) is Carrick and Fabregas as DLPs, with kagawa immediately behind RVP, and Zaha / Valencia / Young / juanzaj inhabiting the wings, albeit in differing capacities to coincide with that games' particular tactics.

Yes, Young isn't going anywhere and neither is Anderson. Nani will leave. As for the obvious exclusion of my banter, WR will depart. By the by I envisage either Lingard getting his chance, or less likely the signing of an exciting winger to push our current lot.

All in all I'm a seriously excited Manchester United supporter! {Ed007's Note - Welcome to the site. One bit of advice though, try and come up with a nickname or a tag to sign your posts with. It gives your opinion more credence and allows better interaction.}

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Valencia actually started really well when he returned from injury, however since then he has not performed. Personally I think Rooney will stay and I think Fabregas will join as well. That would be a very good summer.

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24 Jul 2013 00:05:45
Iker Muniain hasn't been mentioned on here for a while. Even though he has had a torrid season, he's still highly talented. Eds, has any teams shown any interest in signing him?

On another note, anyone else thought Kagawa's chest heart monitor piece looks suspiciously like a bra? {Ed004's Note - Haven't heard of any interest in Muniain}

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