Manchester United Banter Archive July 24 2018

24 Jul 2018 23:23:17
Well, this is my little take on things;

We need to identify our style, type of players that fit, an ethos, a youth system to fit, backroom team to fit, get a sporting director in and let Woodward concentrate on commercial aspects and let that be the ethos going forward time after time, I cannot believe after decades of Fergie we would go and appoint manager after manager the total opposite to what we've done and been successful at for yonks.

Anyway, I'm not a Jose hater, I know there's more than one way to win it just seems odd we'd rip it all up and lose our way so speedily with seemingly no idea how to recapture it.

24 Jul 2018 22:44:52
Terrible times at OT isn't it, 2nd best team in Britain, last 16 of Europe, one of the perceived best managers around, World Cup winner, top players in the squad, it's such a terrible time.
Try being Wrexham, not so long ago the kid fans was taking piggy banks into the club shop to save the club.
Think on, we are privileged.

24 Jul 2018 23:02:03
It's a hard life being a United fan.

24 Jul 2018 19:07:04
Hi guys first time poster but always come on here and read the views of everyone.

I just want to ask what everyone’s reason is for constantly saying about playing the academy players. I get we had a golden generation and that we’ve brought through a decent player now and again but the likes of TFM, Tuanzebe, Pereira etc get mentioned on here a lot and maybe Rashford aswell to a degree when they haven’t done enough to start.

TFM went to palace did he perform like he should be starting for United. I don’t think so now you may say that’s over critical because palace weren’t amazing but they had their backs against the wall enough for the defenders (if good enough) to outshine the attackers.

Tuanzebe - went on loan to villa from January who were challenging for promotion and played 5 games so he must be good enough right 🤔

Pereira - went on loan to Valencia played 23 times and scored once in a league most of us would say is weaker than the premiership but he’s got to have a chance right. no not at all if he doesn’t do something to show he’s good enough then he isn’t going to get games.

Rashford - I still think he’s got massive potential but even he didn’t shower himself in glory last year (I know the team didn’t in total) . He played 35 games and scored 7 yet wonders why he never goes up top. He needs to get the clinical edge back like when he started.

As for transfers and people on here saying we need fullbacks it’s not strictly true. At the moment we have shaw who needs a season where he’s trusted and not cut apart on live tv by the manager he’ll be awesome. Dalit looks like a player but will need to adjust to the league. As for right wing Sanchez played there for Barcelona he can play there, Rashford or martial could play there they just don’t want to. Every one of our wingers except mata is selfishly looking at themselves wanting to play on the left to cut in. This is what happens when you go hung go with transfers with no plan.

24 Jul 2018 20:14:07
Great first post that mate. You are right about the Academy players, many of us are desperate for them to succeed but perhaps are looking to have them play too soon. Those that went on loan didn’t set the world on fire.

Whatever happens, it does appear there is a level of negativity around the place right now.

24 Jul 2018 20:15:04
Many moons ago before Sanchez went to Spain we were heavily linked with him, I went on youtube to look at him and was very impressed as anyone would be as he skipped past players time after time. usually head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch - but it was 75% all down the right hand side, why he ended up on the left baffles me.

24 Jul 2018 20:16:52
Red Rom, to be fair, TFM by all accounts played very well in a struggling Palace team, while Tuanzebe only played 5 games between the end of January and the end of the season due to injury. Pereira's one of the few bright spots in pre-season so far. i'm not saying they're all going to be world-class, but I think they have more potential than you're making out. Welcome to the site, by the way!

24 Jul 2018 21:15:59
Hi welcome red rom. Good post. I don't agree with all of it tuanzabe was injured tfm had a very strong back end of the season at rb which is probably not his best position he played all his youth and u23 games centrally. I like them both and would be happy for both to be squad members to be honest. Rojo blind jones and darmian costing best part of 400k per week hardly kicked a ball last season and performed no better than tfm or tuanzabe a capable of imo.

25 Jul 2018 11:24:27
i still can't believe there hasn't been a bid for Seamus Coleman yet Ken.

24 Jul 2018 18:08:15
Jose said 2 more signings, any guess? Ask I think it might change based on sale of Martial and pogba.

24 Jul 2018 22:39:23
Toby and Bale or left back.

24 Jul 2018 15:03:53
Ed002, quick question from a grim, rain soaked, uncultured, asmatic, diseased Manc with bad feet and a poor judge of character:

Many of us toxic fans perceive Man Utd to be poorly managed and requiring major changes. What's the perception of the club among those who work professionally in the football industry?

{Ed002's Note - That they are underachieving and will improve if the planned changes are made this summer.}

24 Jul 2018 16:23:54
Thanks Ed.
Any insights what these plans are?
Would be greatly appreciated.
Is Ribalta leaving part of the plans?
Or collateral damage?
Or totally against plans?

{Ed002's Note - Players.}

24 Jul 2018 18:00:17
Ok thanks Ed002,

I thought it was about structural changes in the club maybe.
Not really overl confident in signings being all that’s wrong.

It seems to me most of the signings started off promising and then severely dropped off after half a year.

But let’s hope you are right and we stop underachieving this year. And hopefully even overachieving sometime soon again.

24 Jul 2018 18:58:13
Ed 02.

Apologies if I'm pushing it too far, but you seem to have given us something that we didn't know before. It would be incredible if you could explain a little more about these changes are?

{Ed002's Note - players.}

24 Jul 2018 12:45:47
Morning all.
Seems a lot of doom and gloom around at the moment but trying to be optimistic- still 16 days to go so players could be coming in and leaving;stay positive. Things that will be are out of control and tbh the squad is far from being the poorest in the EPL is it. Could be worse, imagine benitez at newcastle for instance- a decent club with respect to fanbase, revenue and Fat ashley has given the fans/ manager nothing at all. FGS I walked near the ground last week and nearly got a contract, so really all will be good.

24 Jul 2018 14:36:48
I believe that Liverpool were looking for groundskeepers alright lol.

24 Jul 2018 12:08:59
Ed02, if you don't mind, I'd like to ask for your opinion on Mourinho and the club moving forward with him?

It's still very early days, but his general demeanour and negative attitude don't exactly bode well and give much hope for the season.

It wouldn't be that much of a surprise if a meltdown ensues and he leaves / is sacked before next summer.

{Ed002's Note - Mourinho is a really nice guy and a really great coach. However, he is stuck in a city he doesn't like (understandable) because it is grim, wet and walking on the cobbled streets hurts the feet. A city which has zero culture which he will be missing, is blighted by smog, and where there are dead & dying pit ponies laying on the street. There remain a couple of people at the club who are convinced he is still really a Chelsea guy so he is not getting their full support. He knows he was not the preferred choice as manager and the toxic fans forced the unplanned change. Going forward, he will leave.}

24 Jul 2018 12:39:00
Do the club currently have a plan in place if jose happens to leave suddenly ed?

For example do they have an idea of the sort of manager they would like to replace mourinho with if the situation arises.

{Ed002's Note - Next Thursday you mean? I would doubt the club has a plan for that.}

24 Jul 2018 12:40:36
Ed002,

I am guessing a lot of that is tongue in cheek but I invite you to Manchester any time and I will show you around our 'zero culture' city you talk of, pretty offensive that to be honest a lot of us are very proud of where we come from.

{Ed002's Note - Maybe you should make the offer to Jose Mourinho who really doesn't like the place at all.}

24 Jul 2018 12:57:06
You say he is a nice guy Ed002, but he still gets so much stick for being, apparently, an awful person?

{Ed002's Note - That would be the fickle and toxic fans.}

24 Jul 2018 13:30:45
Hey Ed02 thanks for the info. A quick question on the strategy, obviously LVG inherited an ageing squad which had a sprinkling of poor Moyes additions. Was the plan for LVG to transition the team through the period of change lowering the average age of the team and to give more opportunities to players coming up through the youth teams, utilising a agreed tactical system of play then handing over to another manager after a set period of time who utilises a tactical system similar to that LVG was implementing?

{Ed002's Note - No, the club did not come up with any convoluted plans.}

24 Jul 2018 14:20:48
Thanks for the response Ed.

24 Jul 2018 14:43:09
I don't think anyone has said he's an awful person. I've heard and read lots of good thing about him, and away from football I'd bet any money he'd be good company. Unfortunately it's not away from football that's the issue.

24 Jul 2018 15:14:08
Hey Ed02, thanks for the reply. It’s quite interesting to get snippets of info on the inner working with regards to strategy in terms of succession planning. I’ve been a business director for quite a few years and it’s one of the cornerstones of business. It sounds like the planning on the playing side from a staffing and tactical standpoint when compared to other businesses is very reactionary.

Really appreciate you taking the time to reply.

Rewz.

{Ed002's Note - The issue is that most coaches have jobs already.}

23 Jul 2018 19:46:39
Javier Ribalta, Man United's head scout has left the club to join Zenit as Sporting Director. Clearly this has been in the pipeline for a while so has that got anything to do with the lack of business so far Eds? Any feedback about Ribalta and the effects of him leaving would be greatly appreciated. Cheers.

{Ed002's Note - It is to do with people being transient - a year or so ago he left Juventus and this is a much better job. It is no big deal.}

24 Jul 2018 10:44:24
Could this be Mourinhos last season?
In my opinion, yes.
From what ED002 has said he's not happy here.

We started last season so well l, until we went to Anfield, dug a trench and played very defensively against a team, that at the time were there for the taking.

Roll onto pre-season. Mourinho still looks unhappy. These pre season games are only to get the players fitness levels up plus for the club, further developing the commmercial brand.

The team. on paper is one that can challenge for the league.
Focus on our strengths not weaknesses.
Remove those shackle, go out and attack.

Perreira and TFM are like new signings, particularly if both stay.

Things aren't bad. We are in good shape.

Martial, Sanchez, Lukaku and Rashford.
Thats a good attacking line up, with Mata/ Lingard in the 10.

Ive often wondered why we didn't play both players behind Lukaku with Rashord and Sanchez/ Martial. played out wide, particularly against the weaker teams.

Fingers crossed Tuanzebe, TFM, Perreria, Gomes and Chong (the latter two, less likely) get more game time.

In a way, its a shame LVG didn't stay as he would have had no qualms playing the younger players.
Sure, ill get shot down for mentioning LVG.
Someone will. mention his style of play etc.

Onwards and forwards. Let. the new season commence.

24 Jul 2018 11:34:23
as much as we would like to make more signings, i do believe we already have a team capable of winning, BUT and its a very BIG.

24 Jul 2018 12:42:42
big but, is that we have to change the style, we have 2 capable center half's already in bailly and lindelof who we have spent a lot of money on, why not trust and play them.


have tfm rb with Valencia and dalot. and trust shaw.

defense sorted we don't need to be wasting 70 million on ageing defender when we can trust what we have.

go out and get bale and bobs your uncle.

24 Jul 2018 06:34:08
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 24th July 2018