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24 Jun 2013 23:37:40
Spanish newspaper AS reported earlier this afternoon that a move for Thiago would be irresistible for him and did confirm his father returned from talks with Manchester United officials on Friday with the offer on the table and the Daily Star have followed this up by saying a deal will be completed within the week.
24 Jun 2013 21:52:52
C'mon Eds.
Lets get busy.
Block the persons.
I've heard Lewandowski may be on.
Sydney?
Chief.
I think Lew is hanging out for the BM move, but I think if that falls through we are next in line. If we can hurry up and sort this Thiago stuff out, we can get our best men on the case.
Sydney!
24 Jun 2013 21:29:08
Hi Ed's, have you really stopped commenting on this site? If you have then the whole viability of the site is threatened and I'm sure you know this. If some individuals are being over abusive then why not post a code of conduct. If people don't abide then they get a public warning then barred. Some posts, of course, should be barred with no warnings.
I hope this is not the end of the site but if you stop contributing then I guess I'll not be as keen to visit or comment.
Best wishes,
24 Jun 2013 21:42:33
I've not been such an avid follower of the site for a while but what have I missed regarding the eds?
Are they sick of the abuse and all of them not commenting?
Did the abuse get that bad?
I'm surprised ed 04 and 07 would let that get to them unless they have been told to not reply?
Anyone got any insight or did they just stop one day?
Ed's please come back! Don't let some minority spoil it for the majority. Really appreciate your input, the website isn't the same otherwise.
24 Jun 2013 23:02:00
In light of there being no football but lots of speculation there has been a peak in the number of posts, and particulary posts asking the Eds questions. The Eds have done their best to answer these questions as best they can. But there are always some persons, and for every person post that makes it onto the page I would imagine there are at least 20 abusive and stupid posts that the Eds have to deal with and not post. I think people under estimate the amount of post the Eds have to read then delete. And the amount of abuse they get in those posts.
They have decided to make a stand and not reply for awhile. And I fully support that stance. They shouldn't have to put up with abuse from small minded cowards. Yes its a shame about the loss of their knowledge and in put to the site, and I agree the site is poorer for it.
There have also been loads of posts whinging at the Eds to get back on. This is unfair and boarder line emotional blackmail at times.
We need to suck it up and deal with the Eds strong and correct decision to for the time being with hold their input.
In time i'm sure the Eds will return, as i'm sure they must get pleasure out of it in some capacity. Even if a few persons might ruin it from time to time.
For now the best course of action is to let the Eds be, to stop asking them to come back and to stop whinging at there self imposed exile.
And maybe when they do return we can all treat them with the respect and good manners they deserve. And value them a little bit more.
The Eds got some stick from a person and downed tools. drawback is let's imagine someone from a different club wanted to shut a clubs site down? Why just go give the Eds stick on another site arses need to stop giving stick to someone who provides a service freely
I'm with Shappy, we need to respect their decision. I think it's important to remember that the Ed's are unpaid volunteers who put in loads of time and effort into making this site great so any abuse to them is totally disrespectful. Hopefully one day they will return as it's not the same without them but for now we must respect their decision and get on with it.
Shappy
Its not a point of people whinging, its a point of letting the eds know they do have decent people on here who support them and miss there input. I thought you was intelligent enough to understand that, guess not.
HERBIE
Totally agree. though I have made my heartfelt pleas to get the Ed's to come back I respect their decision and fully support them.
I'm sure they'll be back when they feel the time is right. until then though they will be missed
25 Jun 2013 08:59:13
HERBIE, intelligence doesn't come into it. My beef is more with the people who say things like they won't be using the site anymore because the Eds have stopped replying. Its like blackmail. But I understand that everyone wants the Eds to return, why do you think the Eds left in the first place? They knew we would all miss them, and they knew we would all want then back. that's the point, if we didn't then there would have been no point in doing it.
When more than half the page is full of messages begging the Eds to come back, over and over and over again. Then it does come across whingy. Again this is a perception and has nothing to do with intelligence.
If you respect the Eds then you'll respect their decision, and as such will allow them to make their own decision on when to come back.
Do you have kids Herbie? If you punished one of them for misbehaving and they kept on at you that the punishment was unfair over and over and over again. What would you call that? Whinging? Or constructive arguement? Just a thought on perspective.
Shapps
I call that 'smacked bums time'
haha
Shapps
I call that 'smacked bums time'
haha
25 Jun 2013 10:58:14
Careful Jono, you can't smack a kid anymore. Or at least you can't get caught doing it. Lol.
Lets call it "if you keep on you'll be sorry time" lol.
Shappo perspective is intelligence. the more intelligent you are the greater your perspective is.
dave
25 Jun 2013 11:44:16
Dave, generally speaking that's right. But you gain intelligence from taking a greater perspective more so than you have a greater perspective because you have intelligence.
Also the situation changes many things. I've seen highly intelligent people struggle to have the perspective to see things clearly at times. Of course this does come from them being strongly emotionally involved, which will always restrict your ability to gain perspective over the situation.
I would say that I generally make intelligent decisions because I always try and step back and consider every aspect of it thus giving me a greater perspective and allowing me to make the intelligent decision.
But sometimes i'm just a pig headed plonker and run into the mire all guns blazing and make an person of myself. But I do only tend to do that the once though. Lol.
Shapps
You still can in Scotland ;)
24 Jun 2013 21:33:11
Anybody watching the U20 world cup? Not seen much but so far: Varela didn't get to see enough off but he sure looks quick and strong. Henriquez was utterly awful for Chile, missed a sitter and was poor all game, though seemed to play out wide weirdly? Also another player we have been linked with in the press Bruma of Portugal. I read him say he wants to stay at Sporting a while but they seem to want to cash in on him. Not sure he is "quite" ready to move to a big club but certainly looked a real talent from tonights game, first time seen him play, very quick and very fleet footed. He looks and seems to play similar to Zaha. I guess depends on our formation next season and maybe they are a bit similar dependant on that, but Zaha on one flank and Bruma on the other could be a very good wide partnership in the longer term. Also have to say Suso of Liverpool looked very good for Spain as well. Missed the France game anybody see them and if so how Zouma and Kondogbia played?
Invisible STuey
Invisible STuey I didn't see the France game mate but my brother watched it and said he played a blinder? Just passing on!
24 Jun 2013 20:15:42
Any thoughts on who United might turn toward should Thiago Alcanthra opt to remain in Barcelona?
Possible Van Ginkel? If that's his name. I am pretty confident for the Strootman and Thiago signings though. If he was to make the most beneficial move for him he would chose us.
If becoming Paul Scholes' replacement isn't enough then I don't know what is!
24 Jun 2013 20:04:23
just read an article (possibly not a reliable one) that said moyes is considering purchasing thiago's younger brother, Rafinha. in order to persuade thiago to move with him. barcelona are meant to be looking for a loan deal for rafinha with everton one of the former potential suitors.
as always this could be paper talk. just curious to see if any of the Edds have any info or knowledge concerning a move for rafinha.
cheers.
I would be so happy if we got Rafinha as well! he's such a talented lad!
Reminds me of a 19 yr old Hazard in that he always looks to take on his man but knows when to pass.
The Moon.
24 Jun 2013 20:04:01
Bring back the edds. These rumours need clearing up. Will thiago sign? Is strootman a done deal? You always get 1 that spoils it for everyone else.
Marm
The Eds don't know everything, I can clearly answer your questions.
Will Thiago sign - UTD have bid for him and are in talks with him. unfortunately I cannot predict the future and I cannot read his mind.
Is Strootman a done deal - probably not, I expect there a few loose ends to be cleared up.
The Moon.
Wow that was insightful. not come back eds we obviously need you before this poster answers more questions with the painfully obvious
dave
24 Jun 2013 19:27:33
This is a statement rather than a rumour. but isn't Kagawa a player! Saw the Japan v Italy game last night, ( late, I know), and the vision, workrate, passing and general movement was superb. and a cracking goal too. I for one can't wait to see him have a much greater influence next season. A magic little player.
J - Stand
Could be our very own iniesta!
Personally I think Kagawa has the potential to be better that Iniesta. Big call, but Kagawa has hat same vision and movement, he can find space where there looks to be none and he can play passes that look to be impossible, and he has a great eye for goal.
24 Jun 2013 19:23:47
One point i'd like to make to all opposition fans is your under estimation of our squad and targets next season just serves as fuel for the team.
A lot has been said about Sir Alex retiring and how the team could progress/decline under Moyes. One thing I think rival fans forget is the majority of our squad have worked with Ferguson a considerable amount of time. Winning has rubbed off on the players.
Do you honestly think that our players haven't got even more hunger and desire than usual to succeed under a new manager? Wouldn't you think these players are out to show that it wasn't just Fergusons management that makes us a great team but their know how and talent to win and keep challenging?
Manchester United will NEVER give up, we as a club have laid the foundations to succeed time and time again. What have Chelsea got? An insanely rich Russian tycoon who chucks money where he wants? City? Exact same!
Arsenal fans too are doubting us! A lot of respect for arsenal and would rather them and Tottenham challenge for the top spot because they have traditions and history. But come on arsenal fans, if I were you i'd worry more about whether Tottenham improve or not. Soon enough they will be finishing above you if they keep Bale and progress onwards.
Just my two cents.
To be frank I'm not sure they are doubting us at all, perhaps it's more a case of bravado during the close season? It's a lot easier to be brave in your predictions when there is no football to be played for a while and there's a clean sheet for everyone. We'll see if this bravado still exists in our opposition fans come the business end of next season - they usually pipe down a little by that stage ;)
24 Jun 2013 18:32:17
Guillem balague tweeted that thiagos dad is just back from manchester and wants to meet with FCB to tell them his son wants to sign with united hope he is right this time
Guillem Balague is about as reliable as Steven Gerrard's fitness.
It may still happen - but Balague is the one who started all of the rumours that Falcao would be moving to united!
For what it is worth - he also added that he expected Barca to try and convince Thiago to stay.
redseven
Same here fingers and toes crossed. A quality player.
Mad Hatter
Yeah I know what he said about falcao that's why I wrote I hope he is right this time
But I still think we will get our man
To be fair to Balague, he never said Falcao would move to United, he merely said we had paid a fee, as had other clubs, that would mean we would be kept informed and be given a chance to match any bids submitted for the player.
TK-Red
24 Jun 2013 17:06:03
This is a post for the eds. please guys cn u come bk. I say this for all of us, with out u guys this mufc rumours site isn't the same. Every1 please support this post. Thanks. T45
Your post gets all my support. Thanks to some no name scummy chav persons we've lost the was who spend their valuable time keeping things ticking over on this site.
I'll echo what others have said that maybe its time have compulsary registering to post
We all miss you Ed's. Please don't keep us out in the cold much longer
I could not agree more. This page is just not the same without the insight, opinion and banter from the eds.
I have even found myself reading other teams pages just to read their comments!
It is a real shame that a few numpties spoil it for the rest.
Matlock Red
24 Jun 2013 17:00:00
Hi Eds,
Long time reader, first time poster. I have enjoyed the site since its creation, and the main site before that. It has been nice to see the site continually improving, and the addition of all of your comments has been a big part in that. As we are in arguably the most exciting time of the year as far as rumours are concerned, I feel it is a great shame to lose such insightful comments at a time when they are most appreciated. This great forum is losing something in your combined absence, so please reconsider your self-imposed exile, your work is appreciated by many more than just your regular posters. The persons who are sending abuse may not deserve it, but this site and community that has taken all this work to build needn't suffer as a result.
Thank you.
24 Jun 2013 18:00:29
Haha, that chelsea fan has given me a laugh, I remember last year a Liverpool fan came on here and was chatting how we were a club in decline and that we had 4th place to look forward to, well we went and won the league.
I am willing to put a lot of money on us finishing above chelsea this season. For all of the chelsea fans who have hope mourinho will be as good as last time he won't.
They have lost Drogba and Anelka who scored most for them, Essien, Lampard and Terry have nothing left. Ashley cole isn't as good as he was and Peter Cech is a lot less consistent.
I will lay it down now and say Us 1st, City 2nd and Chelski 3rd with spurs close behind. Also I really do get stitches when I here a Blue say we are desperate to get someone when they feel the need to pay everyone 200000 a week.
1redarmy
How much money pal? We ain't in 2011 nomore pal I hope you noticed Anelka and Droba both left over a year ago, but can you believe that was not the dumbest bit of your post that of course is when you say Lampard is finished ehen you have a 58 year old giggs in your side and that Camel at the back rather have a half fit Lampard then a fully fit Tom 'the brand' Cleverley emjoy your dinosaur football under Moyes pal and keep that trophy nice and glistening for us cheers
CFC1905
Where are all these Chelsea fans coming from?
Always spending big but never delivering the goods. Go battle Arsenal and Spurs for a top 4 finish while we fight for the top spot.
That camel was one of the best defenders last year "pal"
Chelsea's top earner is Torres on £180k a week. United do pay more with Rooney and RVP both on £250k. Not sure why we have to lie and make out we don't pay top dollar?
My gut says that we will pip Chelsea to the title this year - but it will be an extremely close affair. I certainly wouldn't want to have any money riding on it.
In the end it will all comes down to who each team signs.
redseven
I thnk Chelsea will be the main threat. Their midfield is frightening, if they sign 1 or 2 strong strikers they will right up there.
Ajh
I agree I think if they get a good forward they will be a very good team next year
Jred
Who really cares what other fans or clubs do or say. let's concentrate on our GREAT club winning more trophies.
ps Come back Eds.
24 Jun 2013 21:24:11
neither rooney or van persie are anywhere near that sort of money, certainly not in terms of basic whereas I imagine a few chelsea players are on more than that.
24 Jun 2013 17:10:23
I have been reading everyone's posts since the season ended and speculation began about new players, don't know about end of the season but transfer window open is more of a squeaky bum time for me, loving some of the posts and hoping we get our targets Thiago and Strrotman would be great additions with me and I also hope we keep Wayne, I think if we do with a new manager he would be more focused and title no 21 will be on the way as well as a good run in the champions league, firs time post so be gentle lol
Stickz the red
Do not rise to the bait. Ignore the fool and he will go away.
Guillem Ballague just confirmed Thiagos dad just back from Manchester and will inform Barcelona that he wants to sign for United, Barca are continuing their fight to keep him but this is looking very promising for us.
Dylan
24 Jun 2013 16:54:30
Well the panic and concern on these pages over the last few weeks has been palpable.
The thought of it all going horribly wrong is getting to so many of you. Hardly surprising really as you are becoming a very unattractive option for the majority of top players.
Your latest quest is the desperate chase for Thiago, a young player who has to make a bigger name for himself somewhere for a year or two before he heads back off to bigger and better things.
Your position in the top 4 of the Premiership is most definately in the balance this season. Us, City and even Arsenal if their signings come off are going to be leaving you behind.
My feelings are it's between us and City, way better squads than yours, you may get near Arsenal but I'm not even convinced of that. Probably more likely scrapping with the Spurs, Liverpool and Everton for the Europa.
Obviously your, we're the biggest club in the world ego's will mean you'll rant and rave about it, deep down you'll know the likelyhood of it happening is massive.
Try not to be to down though, it has become slightly embarrasing to read your page lately, look on the brightside, when you've got those 4 points from your first 6 games Moyes will jack it in and you can get Harry up from QPR to save your bacon.
Marcellus Wallace
Much better squad? I doubt it buddy, uv not even signed anyone yet. It will be us and city battling it out again. Chelsea are miles behind us
Big Mac
Which team do you support? Stoke? That's one team that has STRONGER squad than us!
Sorry who seem to have lost out on cavani recently? What top signings have u made? Once again u have shown yourself to be a muppet!
And all this coming from a fan who's club has struggled to finish top 4 two seasons running!
But if it helps your little deluded world to try and convince yourself we are on the wain do be it, I look forward to seeing u in may next year when it has all blown up at chavski again, after all u do have the manager in charge we deemed not good enuff by 2 of the biggest clubs in the world, instead he had ti re-sign for chavski which he wouldn't of done had he or even roman got their way.
Lol all that money and u still have no class, my friend u are wot is referred to as vermin.
Y dnt u post on the chavski page i'm sure when someone logs on u will get a reply in 2 weeks!
Chris the REDman
Comedy Gold. what an absolute clown you are Marcellus Wallace!
The mind boggles when you read crap like that.
Especially the bit that reads "unattractive option" and "desperate chase"
What is "desperate" about trying to buy one of the top young players in the world and it now looks like we are going to get him as well.
"Unattractive option"Just ask RVP how unattractive we are and i'm sure he will put you right after all we beat Manchester City and a whole host of other clubs to his signature last season.
Don't you worry about us, we will be just fine.
Simmo
Funny that,
last time I checked Chelsea were struggling for top 4 football, now all of a sudden you're going to win the league because Mourinho is back?
In fact, I think he'd be gone by April, your club is a mess. yeah you've got quite a good balance, but Luiz looks like he wants out, Terry is coming to the Carragher stage of his career, Lampard is only going to get worse.
I can see you guys finished 3rd with the Carling Cup. I think we'll storm the league again with Thiago, Strootman and Lewandowksi/Ronaldo in the set up.
City, I think will finish 2nd, and I also think Arsenal will be within touching distance of beating you to 3rd spot.
So we'll see.
The Moon.
Marcellus Wallace, what a feeble, unfunny and pathetic attempt to wind up Utd's supporters. Really not worth the effort to reply, sad man.
Well that was an impressive heap of s***
Red Joe
How the mighty have fallen-the only thing you can gloat about now is the rumours page!
Firstly and most importantly would be: mind your own business, concentrate on the soulless non atmosphere ground and club that is chelsea fc
2nd : Unattractive option? Man United? Really?
3rd: our position in the top 4?
we are NEVER battling for top 4 only ever battling for the top spot.
4th: your feelings don't mean anything to anyone on this forum
5th: Marcellus Wallace isn't your real name is it, its fake and your opinions are truly misguided and more importantly wrong.
6th: Fernando Torres
Chin up mate.
What a completely moronic post Marcellus!
CD
We will be much stronger than last season after the transfer window has shut. Remind me, where did we finish last season? Was it top? I think we will finish there again next season.
Chelsea on the other hand, spent over a billion sterling on players since Roman arrived in 2003. Whereas we have spent half that amount since 1992 when the EPL began.
Difference is we have used our own cash for our success, you have used your owner's cash to bankroll your success. Manchester United have done it the correct way. Pure class.
Sydney!
Before making all of these predictions, are you even sure that you will end the season with the current manager?
REDFAITH
Forget Pulp Fiction Marcellus-Pure Bollox instead
Haha that's made me laugh cheers pal. It must be pretty embarrassing being so far behind last year considering we have as u put it such a weak squad? And Chelsea signings don't worry me u would be aswell having Del Boy trotter as your scout! 50million for Torres best piece of business in a long time! U do have a track record for buying quality!
Gman1286
Marcuellus WallceChelsea? A club with no history and in trouble with FFP! Now go jog on Boy
Get back on your page
LOL if the rumours of the special one getting rid of Mata, your best perhaps only player last year. Good luck.
24 Jun 2013 16:32:40
So I'm hearing thiago's father has just flew back to Spain from Manchester to tell Barcelona thiago wants to go to united. It is believed Barcelona are going to try and convince him to stay. Fingers crossed the deal goes through. If only he hadn't scored that hat trick in the final the deal would most likely of been done already.
24 Jun 2013 16:29:41
Now I'm not going to claim to be in the know about anything as I don't! I enjoy reading what people with far more insight than myself have to say so I'm just going to give my opinion as a fan.
Ronney is a fantastic player despite mixed opinions but I don't feel he justifies his hefty wage. I'm not going to say I'd love to see him go as I wouldn't, but if there was the chance of a ronaldo return I would happily see rooney sold on to free up the wage bill somewhat as the two players would take up an onscene amount of the wage bill. I couldn't see a part ex to madrid happening and I think he would like to remain in England and with his wage demands, in my opinion that would mean chelsea a likely destination.
We are in desperate need of some new midfield talent and after reading someone elses post about Thiago AND Strootman possinbly signing that would certainly fill the void and I'm sure make a lot of fans extremely happy. Me one of them!
To balance the books further and with Zaha coming in I wouldn't be upset if Anderson and Nani and even possibly Valencia were sold on. I don't feel Nani or Anserson have either lived up to their iniitial promise and I don't think Valencia was as effective last season as he has been in the past.
Look forward to reading your comments!
Well my view is this, we are a better team with Rooney in the starting 11, however, we would be an even better team with Ronaldo in the starting 11 instead of Rooney! For me, although Ronaldo is a year older, I think in the next 4/5 years we would get more from Ronaldo then we would Rooney and we'd probably get maybe 6/7 years from Ronaldo as he takes care of himself and could play until he's 35.
I wouldn't be unhappy if Rooney stayed but not at the expense of a pay rise, by all means extend the contract but not with a pay rise. But if selling Rooney meant getting Ronaldo, I would jump at the chance.
Problem I see with Rooney is to where he fits in the team. If we get Thiago and Strootman then I would not want him to start in expense of RVP, Kagawa, Thiago, Stootman or Carrick, my point being Rooney can play in the positions these players occupy. So this leaves either side of a central 3 behind RVP, of course, assuming we go 4-2-3-1 which I believe is the formation we should adopt because if we go 4-4-2 then who partners Carrick? Kagawa would be wasted wide left and Thiago like wise wide right, basically Stootman can't play either flank so should partner Carrick, or we drop Carrick which we definitely should not do!
So unless Rooney plays as second fiddle perhaps he should move on, but there is a danger he could go the same way Gazza went if he moved to London and I can't see him moving abroad and being a success.
For me next season I would love Carrick and Strootman as a 2 and then Ronaldo - Thiago - Kagawa as a 3 behind RVP. Rooney could obviously play where Ronaldo is but has stated he wants to play up front so will he have a whinge and moan being to the right of a 3?
Totally agree, these signings will definately make everyone happy. But you're going to have to wait until next season for Ronaldo to come back.
24 Jun 2013 16:29:30
Appreciate the eds aren't around at the minute. Would some 1 mind clearing this up for me please? If a player has a certain buyout clause and it is met is he free to move to that club if he so chooses? Only asking because I've seen a lot of us being in discussion with barca over thiago, hope I'm not sounding thick ha just a little confused
There is a difference between Buyout clause and release clause. You mean the latter. And no, its not as simple as pay the release clause and get the player, there is lots of other complexities that need to fall into place before a deal goes through.
REDFAITH
24 Jun 2013 16:18:18
Why has ed002 frozen us out? The same message about not standing for abuse was posted on other teams pages yet he continues to share his much valuable input with them.
Guessing Us United fans are getting the blame : (
Fred the red
Hi maybe united fans are getting the blame but maybe its warranted (not saying its you, I or anyone in particular but there must be a valid reason). Come back though eds I miss your input and let's hope good triumphs over evil like in the movies ;). Bookedredmole
24 Jun 2013 16:18:10
Thiago and Strootman will sign any time soon
Fact
Old Trafford is heaven
24 Jun 2013 16:06:30
AS are saying Utd have offered Thiago an 'irresistible’ contract and another paper is saying that he is on holiday mulling over his next move. There’s no doubting the fee has been agreed already.
Barca offer him a new contract…they probably have but why sign when they put in such a clause previously and have failed to deliver to the player to then be offered something new with more false promises? Money!
Behind Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas and Busquets…Neymer also in…tripling his £30k a week at least…his dad saying he should move…your fate in your own hands…I would be surprised to not see something announced soon.
SB.
24 Jun 2013 15:10:57
Anyone know why we aren't in for Wanyama? I know we were rumoured to be linked with the player last season, but have heard nothing since. Saw him a few times in the Champions lge and he was a beast in midfield. IMO looked like just what we needed. Now he's been linked with Saints for 10mill. He is a bargain at that price.
Boyley
Agreed. He's had a good season with Celtic. And showed both games against barca that he can live in that company. So why are we not in form him?
Nomidfield
24 Jun 2013 14:31:54
Apparently Barca have offered Thiago a new deal, but he is expected to turn it down.
REDFAITH
Barcelona have offered Thiago a new deal according to Miguel Delaney too. I cannot imagine it will be on par with what we will offer him, but it may be enough for him to stick around for one more year. Hope he doesn't though. Barcelona are disappointed that they could lose him for such a little amount. Yet, if they valued him enough then he would have been playing more often. Surely in a WC year, replacing Scholes in midfield is the way to go? He could be a massive player for us next season and it would do his Spain chances no harm at all.
Sydney!
He would also be taken a chance in regards to the wc, I think he would def get more football at United but it may take him 12 month to settle in
Jred
I too think he is likely to stay.
REDFAITH
Scholesy is very well respected amongst the Barcelona cohort. Been publicly praised by Ineista and Xavi and i'm sure this would trickle down into the youth system. So our main approach should be: "How would you like to be our next Paul Scholes"? We know all too well about what happens when we don't give a talented youth player a chance. Let's take advantage of this situation.
Gar
I can't imagine he'd have much problems settling in Jred, after all he's good friends with DDG, speaks better english than him. Sure Chicha would help him settle too.
Ozwald
Buddy please send us your contact details. so that v can thank you later according to whatever happens.
Ajay
India
Ozwald
Your prob right but then look a kags or pires u just never know
Jred
Thiago would hit the ground running. He speaks fluent English, will be moving his whole family over with him according to his dad, but most importantly he is a very talented player. He would go straight into the team. Kagawa had Rooney to compete with so was never going to play that often this season. He was learning English and was pretty much on his own.
Sydney!
Syd
Love the way you can see into the future.
He's a young lad and the EPL would be very different to playing in la liga for barce.
I think he is a real good player and would expect him to be a success in the EPL.
But to say he would hit the ground running with any certainty is pure guess work for me.
Jred
Jred, it's called optimism. Something a negative man like yourself hasn't got.
The reason I think he will hit the ground running is because he is a very talented, confident, positive player.
Sydney!
Syd
No not really
As I pointed out in my op there is always two sides, if thiago is looking at his wc chances, well yes he will prob get more games for United but he would have to also take in to account he would be playing in a different country, with a different team and a different style it may or may not take a while to adapt.
Most players do.
I'm I negative, I don't think so just realistic I don't wear the same red tinted glasses you do.
I don't build players like cleverly or welbeck up to be world-class just because there at United or build any player that is linked to us up.
As I have said many times in the past thiago will be a top player, but he may take a while to adapt to United and the EPL. I really hope we sign him I think we need a creative cm just like him
I also think the player himself will be clever enough to realise this 20 good games for barce in his home country may do his world cup chances more good than 30 average games while he finds his feet in England
Jred
25 Jun 2013 14:29:55
Thiago would play a lot more than 30 games if he remained injury free Jred. And what is to say they would be average performances. You really are a wally.
Sydney!
24 Jun 2013 14:29:54
My father who works as a hot dog seller inside the theatre of dreams informed me a month ago that he served no other than Cristiano Ronaldo (CR7) and had a brief chat with the Old Trafford legend CR7 informed my father that he would be coming back to the theatre of dreams and was quoted as saying he is 'buzzing' to meet David Moyes and said Sir Alex was a 'winging *******' #VIVARONALDO
Brilliant! Love it. U sure it wasn't the Brazilian Ronaldo buying hotdogs?
Boyley
Apart from most of this being very unplausable. I just can't see Ronaldo eating a hotdog.
My dad works at OT too, and he says your dad is a moron. I hate transfer trolls.
RedDub
*cough* scouser aleart
Curis the REDman
I think there are 3 main forms of transfer messages on this site. Firstly, there are the well thought out and totally feasible messages (which may even contain information not yet publicised). Secondly, there are those who regurgitate sh*t that everyone knows or the half thought, non-feasible ones. (Which are most annoying). Or lastly, every now and then, you get a gem like this, something so utterly ridiculous you can't help but smile.
Gar
Should be a disclaimer at the top of this rumour warning it's a waste of time lol
Ozwald
I thought it was pretty funny tbh :)
Top effort, beats my wife's brother's aunty's cleaner
AJH,
Is that you or your cat?
24 Jun 2013 14:26:46
How about we use Rooney in exchange for Ozil? I still doubt ronaldo, thiago will join united, Madrid would love to have Rooney to play with ronaldo and Ozil will sort our midfield issues?
Red Poltergeist!
24 Jun 2013 13:14:11
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaLjeGwuChs
to those who said they haven't seen Rafinha play.
Here he is, imo more potential that Thiago, so to get Thiago and his younger brother, to me would be huge.
although Rafinha is rated extremely highly at Barcelona, I just wonder if we have a chance of doing a 'chelsea' and getting both of the brothers.
The Moon.
24 Jun 2013 13:49:49
Isn't he a right back though? Or do you think he could be pushed further forwards?
Second post the Rafinha you're thinking of plays for Bayern Munich
This Rafinha is an attacking mid
24 Jun 2013 14:18:44
Doing a Chelsea? Rafa and Fabio were first! They did a UTD!
No name is confused with Rafael ;)
Invisible STuey
No name, that Rafinha is the RB, I would rather not have him if its all the same ;). haha.
Well Chelsea do it a lot with their players, more so than we do haha.
The Moon.
Fairly sure Rafinha has been playing more as a CF as of late? Tbh I think it's clear Thiago has a much better footballing brain and he's only two years older, but Rafinha still looks decent.
Ozwald
24 Jun 2013 13:02:40
Cannot reveal my source but here is what is going on inside Old Trafford. The club is working on deals to sign four players. One forward/winger. two midfielders. one defender.
Moyes and Ferguson had a lengthy discussion as to what was needed to improve the squad. The main areas were agreed by both and Moyes has been told about the deals that Utd have been trying to put together for months. He will though decide who he wants as he wants to succeed or fail by his own judgement. He is very happy about some targets.
The problems faced by all clubsnot just Utd are firstly that the Confederation, Under 21s, and Under 20 world cups hinders deals. Secondly no club wants to lose their best players to a potential rival. Thirdly they would rather sell abroad if they have to than to one in the same league. Fourth they generally don't want to do swap deals and prefer to have replacements lined up. Fifth is that players are loathe to go if they get reduced wages.
The last three points making it difficult are ones that Utd just cannot deal with easily and this is the weather and City of Manchester and the billionaire owners of some clubs. It just has to be accepted that as a location Manchester just does not appeal to a lot of players. Given the chance to go to London or Paris or Madrid or Barcelona and now to Monaco it is only natural that players will choose these places before Manchester. In pure footballing terms Chelsea, RM, Barca and Bayern are definitely our equals. Then when you factor in the money to be earned especially at Madrid, PSG, Monaco or Chelsea then you can see how hard it is for us to get the very best. That is without factoring in City who try to outbid us for anyone prepared to try England but outside London. Now and again some players have the sense of history and are mature enough to choose us because the overall package we provide still gives them scope to win trophies and get paid very well. RVP is a case in point. Yet even he might have chosen not to move to us if Sir Alex was not in charge. and that is Moyes's biggest obstacle. players just do not know how good he is or will be. The top players agents are advising their men to go to proven winners like Mourinho and Guardiola. they know that winning means big bonuses and that their players values maintain or increase. If Utd have a lean period trophy wise the opposite will happen to our players.
So all in all it is proving and will prove to be a hard summer for making deals. Please bear the above in mind before you criticise Moyes or the Club if they cannot get who you all think we need.
Why do you need a source to know that?
REDFAITH
Lol wot a load of bobbins u are talking, so ure sorce must of sat in on meetings between the two I guess to be privvy to that info, but dnt worry we will keep it hush hush just incase any other teams realize our weakness in midfied.
Honestly mate wot a waste of ure time!
Chris the REDman
Chris,
To be fair a lot of this makes sense, in fact it is kind of what we know already. No point having a go at the no name when his post actually makes perfect sense when you look at some of the posts on here.
I stand by my comment.
Chris the REDman
24 Jun 2013 12:24:53
Ed002 I agree you should not have to take abuse or stand for some of the crap you get but there has to be a better idea. a lot of long time posters an readers come here for your opinion on certain situations an I feel that by not postin or replying to posters your doing not only yourself bur the site q great injustice. You owe nothing to us "regular passer by" readers but the respect we afford you. Since this embargo on info I have found myself not wanting to look on this page because without your knowledge an screening of posts they have become mind numbingly boring an clich�. Please don't make the guys who respect you turn there back on this glorious site. Ban the bully boys an the crap talkers name an shame the persons an give us some good solid information. Love the site love the work you do hate the embargo.
CAIN
This is how I feel too cain, I just think because of the minority we all have to suffer and it's only making the haters more happy that ed isn't replying
Singh
Dear Ed's incl Ed002
my first post, I read the site regularly though, too nervous to post under normal conditions, this is not normal.
I fully understand your anger with regards the minority of persons and their attacks and lack of respect to you and your colleagues.
That said on behalf of the majority of posters and readers who fully respect and appreciate what you do please, please come back soon!
Sack those causing the problems from the site for good!
Byron {Ed002's Note - Thanks Byron, I am sure the other Eds will be around at some point soon to pick up some of the posts.}
Ed 002
Good to see you back. Its never the same without your and Bond's wisecracks ;). Btw, I can understand your stand, not the first time the abuse has gone over the top. Looking forward to your RTP replies ;)
Deeps. {Ed002's Note - I think you misunderstand Deeps - I am done with these pages.}
Ed 002
That's a shame, it won't be the same with out u
Jred
Agree wholeheartedly Cain
I don't post too much andsometimes when I have the eds have disagreed with what I, ve said and told me so in no uncertain terms but that is there opinion and there entitled to it I have never once then comeback and abused them they do a great job and I just hope they come back soon as they make the site much more interesting
Onecut
Come on Ed002, your views are very much appreciated on here by 99% of the posters. You are always going to have knuckle scrapers wherever or whatever you do and you shouldn't let them ruin it for the rest.
I come on here for a break from the wife, but this past week with you going on strike, it reminds me of her at that special time of the month, when she gets even more unreasonable than normal.
Do we need a 'We love the Eds' petition to show how much you are loved? Will you come back to us then? I will be happy to sign it.
Brendan81 {Ed002's Note - Just stick with the other Eds - you'll get used to it. I really have zero interest in the MUFC page now.}
Well, well done to the persons that are so insecure about their own posts that they have got us all punished. Ed I dnt blame ure stance its f-ing stupid that some people can't act in a civil manor.
In all honesty are u sure they were united fans or trolls from other pages?
Chris the REDman
24 Jun 2013 12:24:56
Afternoon Gents,
Obviously the LB position at United has been a long debated topic. Today I see Stoke are interested in Erik Pieters of PSV, at 24 and with a good history of Dutch footballers, surely he should be a player we should look at? Anyone have any thoughts on him?
The LB position has been a problem for a few years now, but nothing has really been done about it. I think either SAF became too attached to Evra or there wasn't a suitable replacement for a reasonable enough fee. I thought 2013 was always likely to be Evra's final year, unless we signed Baines last summer, I thought there may have been a chance of Evra leaving then. There are very few decent LB's out there at the moment and Baines is 29 this year. Will Everton lower their asking price? Unlikely I'd say, so we may have to deal with another season of Evra's defensive frailties. He has been good going forward, but I'd hope Moyes would want to strengthen our weakest area of defence. Not sure Pieters is that good. Not much of an improvement on Buttner or Fabio.
Sydney!
Syd,
He's played 17 times for Holland and would of been more had he not broken his metatarsal which ruled him out for 9 months.
At 24 for £4 Million and nearly played 100 times for PSV, I think he should be worth a look at.
For Shappy, think you responded to wrong post.
I agree about Blind and Williams and would choose them if we had the chance, not sure what those chances are but if Pieters is available for £4 Million and the other 2 are unrealistic then surely worth a look at?
To be honest, as long as it's not Baines I'm not to fussed about who we start at LB :)
24 Jun 2013 15:13:08
Opps, I must have been half asleep. Lol. Pieters isn't quick enough of good enough going forward. He plays more like a traditional full back rather than a more modern wing back/full back hybrid. that's why I think long term he'll move into the centre of defence.
There are much better options than him imo available. Personally i'd like to see Buttner be given a fair crack of the whip first.
24 Jun 2013 12:22:06
Have a feeling thiago is a done deal and were just waiting to complete the deal for strootman before announcing the acquisitions of thiago strootman and garay together. This gives us time to focus on the 'major signing' or see the possibility of getting one.
TRUMORS
24 Jun 2013 13:14:29
Daley Blind, Jetro Willems and Alexander Buttner are all better dutch left backs. Pieters will probably become a centre back long term too.
I think you replied to the wrong post Shappy.
Red Joe
I also completely agree with you TRUMORS, I think signings are done or pretty much done already.
It looks a lot better for the new manager too be unvailed with reinforcements already in the bag.
Red Joe
No deal will be done till moyes is firstly back from his holiday and secondly in charge of mufc 1 July I always agree though we will sign 2 are 3 July the 1 st. The are probably sorting the paper work and agent's fee's. Don't kike all the negative posts vig change s at are club do we need good players to replace the great manger we had. The best Ever saf
24 Jun 2013 12:08:57
Moon, so you think Zaha for £10m is a little steep, but you think it's unfair for me to judge his fee against Alberto's £7m fee because we haven't seen how he turns out. Well you do not know how Zaha will turn out so isn't it a little unfair for you to say £10m is a little steep?
With Zaha being English and therefore having a premium, is £10m really that excessive? Especially when you consider that the payment structure is in yearly installments.
@Sydney!
I think both are a little steep!
I actually think Alberto will go on to be a very, very good young player. As do I think the same about Zaha. I just feel at this moment in their careers when so far neither have done anything of any real achievement there fees are unjustified.
Its great to see we're paying to get a young player with huge potential, and I'm glad we've gone out and secured the deal.
but, how much better would it have been if we had a real affiliation with Palace where they would take the Keanes, Petrucci, Tunners, Januzaj, etc. on Loan and in return we would get players like Zaha, like Williams, Like Clyne last year for minimal fees? - this is my issue here, the reason IMO why English clubs get charged a premium is because we treat lower league clubs like dirt, not just United but every big club in England do not respect smaller clubs.
The Moon.
You are paying for potential. You will also pay a premium on an English player. It is a gamble agreed, but I would say Liverpool are taking a bigger gamble than us with their player.
Sydney!
We are both taking a gamble, both buying young and talented players, both will be able to have the luxury of time and defiantly in Zaha's case we could easily get £10m back for him in 3 years if he doesn't stand out.
1redarmy
24 Jun 2013 13:18:48
I don't think lower league clubs are treated with disrespect at all. For many of them the transfer system is the only thing that keeps them afloat, hence the higher fees. For a club like Crewe 5 million was a kings ransom and paid for their whole season last year, yet if you ran things you'd probably have given them buttons for Powell. Is that not more disrespectful? 5 million was nothing to United. As for stuffing a team like Palace full of United kids on loan, what effect would that have on the kids from Palace's academy, they'd probably be denied game time and their development would suffer as Palace would have to play the on loan United kids rather than their own youth products. And then when they get promoted what then? I don't think you've thought it through enough Moon. What works in Spain doesn't necessarily mean it will work in England. In fact it sounds like you'd pretty much turn the lower three leagues into just feeder clubs for the premier league with each premier league club having four or five feeder clubs up and down the league system. That would cause huge problems in terms of the league and cup competitions being competitive. Which is the biggest accusation against La Liga. A better way of doing it would be to distribute and allocate the tv money more fairly allowing more of it to trickle down the league system to the smaller clubs. If they were earning more money then they probably wouldn't over charge on transfers. Also with clubs having more money they could be encouraged to plough more of it into youth development. Hire more coaches. Which requires more qualified coaches. Which all starts to have an effect. I think that's the way we need to go, take lessons from the Germans, French and Dutch and improve our own system. That and change the law on coaching time. MrE
MrE -
it has nothing to do with feeder clubs, its about relations between the clubs. A transfer fee for a player doesn't really do justice imo.
I'm talking about real relations, where both clubs work together to provide a better level of coaching and a higher standard of players.
in Spain, Germany and Portugal this happens a lot. there is a reason these 3 nations are some of the best teams on the planet.
In England, we simply take their players, nothing more, nothing less.
in terms of a relationship with Palace, if they got promoted like they have done then it wouldn't be a problem, because they wouldn't be a feeder club per say. they would be an affiliate where we get first refusal on their younger players and they can take ours on loan.
similar to what Getafe have with Real Madrid.
The Moon.
24 Jun 2013 11:58:10
I know he has a bit of off the pitch issues, but is there any chance on signing iker munain?
Amazing player IMO and is a much better option than young.
What are your opinions on him?
If we could get him for around 15 mil. Thanks
TRUMORS
I have always like him and most people forget how young he is. I don't know about the off pitch problems but also think he is being wasted at Bilbao and can be something incredible at a better club with better players and coaches around him.
Shahram
24 Jun 2013 11:46:22
I have this little scenario in my head that I would LOVE to happen but I don't think it will.
Thiago is very close with his brother, who goes by the name Rafinha, now Rafinha is 19 and is already an incredible young player.
If we could get Rafinha for £1-£4M then Thiago would be more likely to come because his family would be relocating anyway.
I would happily pay £25M for the pair of them.
both great talents with huge futures!
although Rafinha is apparently wanting to play for the Brazil national team instead of Spain which is a bit if a disappointment for me! haha.
so yeah, if any of you that have seen Rafinha play, would you take both of them if it 100% meant Thiago was signing.
its hardly a keep him happy sort of situation like Ljajic and Tosic.
Rafinha has just as much talent as most.
The Moon.
Moon, it's certainly possible that we could be trying to sign them both and that could be the hold up. I wouldn't be surprised if that is a tactic Chelsea would use to try and secure Thiago.
Sydney!
Moon,
Can't say I have heard of Rafinha before but the scenario you have spoken about seems similar to Chelsea signing Hazard and then his brother.
I think for a player who has had their football schooling at Barcelona, for a price between £1-£4 Million, it would be worth a gamble. If it would help Thiago settle as well then even better.
Maybe loaning him to Everton to keep a good relationship between Moyes and them would be good and also give him game time he probably wouldn't get at United to see how he fairs in the Premier League? Also with Martinez there you have that Spanish connection (although I appreciate you have mentioned he wants to play for Brazil!).
Could be a good avenue to explore.
Sadly for you Moon seems his bro is going on loan in Spain next season
SYD
You are quoting from caught offs**** which is the worst site and useless.
Chelsea have no interest in additional midfielders and with De Bruyne (which I rate) coming back from a loan spell plus they have by many accounts Van Ginkel signed and will have an abundance of talent and an issue with players not getting enough playing time. Lampard, Luiz, Ramirez, Hazard, Oscar, Debruyne, Oscar, Van Ginkel (possible), Mikel is enough to decorate a christmas tree.
There will be no guarantees that Thiago can even crack that midfield and get enough playing time, which is his issue with the current Barca set up.
I would bet a lot of money he is either staying or coming to us with an outside chance for Bayern but they also do not need any midfielders and sure as hell are not going to sit Schweinsteiger or Martinez or Goatze to give Thiago playing time.
Shahram
Moon, rafhina has a buy-out clause of 12 million Euros until the 2012/13 season and this will increase to 30 million in the 2013/14 this info is from a barca press release from 2011 when he signed his new contract, not something I've made up. hope this helps
mick the red fireman.
I haven't quoted anything off of any website Shahram.
What does it say?
Sydney!
Ah right, now I know what you are on about. You think Chelsea are not interested in Chelsea and that I think Chelsea are interested based on some poor football website? Chelsea have an interested in Thiago Shahram.
MU, Bayern Munich & Chelsea are interested in Thiago. Barcelona want to keep him.
Sydney!
LOL, that's "You think Chelsea are not interested in Thiago".
I am sure Chelsea are interested in Chelsea ;)
Sydney!
Mick, I did not know that, its amazing that we haven't snapped him up for such a low price!
The Moon.
24 Jun 2013 10:07:33
Was watching u21s highlight of netherlands. Specially of strootman. People here were moaning a lot about his displayes so I kept comment reserved.
Now I can say he has been good. Hard tackler. I can say a batter version of carrick at this age. Fearless in tackling. Quick passes although his speed is bit concern but it can be covered by his lot of abilities.
Over all will be a good signing for sure.
Rodio17
Somebody who's been watching him regularly would know how good he is.
While I agree he is a good player, I thought he was poor in the under 21's, would much prefer Vidal but as I don't see that happening i'm happy with Strootman.
24 Jun 2013 09:59:12
its a pity that higuain isn't coming here instead of arsenal, brilliant player.
Completely over rated. I certainly wouldn't pay 20-25 million pounds for him.
Rooney, RVP and streets ahead.
Simmo
Id Rather Benzema to Higuain if their was achoice to make!
ms85
Wouldn't want either over any of our current strikers.
Red Joe
24 Jun 2013 08:36:53
Well, moyes is back today so I'm sure we will see developments soon.
Nomidfield
We can say much talked rooney talks to be sorted soon. And as player don't want to move its not hard for him to convince him either. just confusion and will be sorted quick. Even if he don't want to play for moyes it will be a quick talk.
Rodio17
Rooney's future will be dependent on our signings.
Sydney!
I think Rooneys future will be sorted out very soon before before we start signing players
Jred
Rooney won't be going anywhere he's just mr. mardy because persie is better than him.
Jred, do you think Rooney will sign an extension very soon?
Sydney!
I think he will to be honest but time will tell.
I think Chelsea would be a good move for him but I don't see him leaving United but one way or another I think we will find out very soon
Jred
Jred, I will be astonished if he signs a deal or gets sold before we sign someone. Perhaps if Lewandowski signed for BM or indicated to us that he will not be joining us. It is a difficult one to predict, but I genuinely think what happens with our targets will determine Rooney's fate. I think it could drag on. We will hear rumours about Rooney staying, Rooney leaving. I even expect Moyes to say he is staying, but I think in reality nothing will be sorted until August time. I think that is when he will either sign a contract or be sold. I can see Chelsea becoming interested if they miss out on the rest of their striker targets. Although you would think they would learn their lesson when buying strikers past their best (Shev/Torres).
Sydney!
24 Jun 2013 11:50:30
he has no future at united and I for one will be extremely disappointed if we give in to his spoilt brat tantrums again.
Syd
With your track record I would say we will def find something out soon then
Jred
Should prob explains my op a bit better, I think Rooneys future will be sorted out very soon one way or an other I don't think we will be trying to buy a replacement before that.
I expect to find out what's going on in the near future
Jred
My track record?
I would say I have been pretty spot on with my predictions of Rooney thus far. I predicted this mess over a year ago.
Sydney!
Syd
you have gone on about lewandowski in and Rooney out all season in fact were you not told Lew had agreed a move last summer.
Rooneys a big name player going in to the last 2 years of his contract it's not rocket science.
Evra/baines, Rooney/lew who are you planning to go on about all next season
Jred
Jred, so do you not believe MU want to swap Rooney for Lew? You know damn well that if Lew was signed Rooney would be out on his ass this summer.
This is exactly what I mean by incoming players will determine the fate of Rooney. let's see if he signs a new deal before we sign our next player.
I also still believe SAF wanted to sign Baines last summer to replace Evra. I also think it didn't happen due to us running out on cash due to the signing of RvP.
If this Rooney mess was so predictable, then why have you spent a whole year arguing with me about it? IMO Rooney's only chance of staying is if we miss out on our main target. Lewandowski.
Sydney!
Syd
I have argued the points you have made.
As I have said before the ed confirmed that we had an interest in Lew and you then made every scenario possible up why this would happen, I even think you had Rvp playing wide right at one point.
I actually don't think Rooney will leave and I don't think we will sign lewandowski.
As I have said before I don't see lew as a Rooney replacement as for me they are different types if players.
But that's just my opinion I would love to know how you are so much in the know and what your sources are that you feel you know what's going on at United to the extend of telling others if there right or wrong
For example how do you know lewandowski is our main transfer target.
I also don't think we ran out of money for baines I don't think fergy ever intended on selling evra
Jred
Little sad isen't it? That our main target keeps rubbing it in that "his dream club is Bayern". Syd you will have to admit it that, ever since you got a sniff of our interest in Lewandowski ( from your sources and ed 002), you have always been directly linking it to Rooney's exit. In fact your were almost 100% sure that we have a "gentlemans agreement" with BvB. I know you will say Lew was swayed once Goetze made the move, but I think that's not true. May be United knew of Lew's preference? I still believe when fit and firing Rooney is easily the better "all round" player.
Deeps.
And the current mess has got nothing to do with what anyone predicted last year. It is because SAF decided to throw Wayne under the bus. Yes you did say, SAF never forgets and you were probably right about it. Wayne is most certainly paying for what he done 3 years ago.
Deeps.
Deeps, a 2009/10 Rooney was exceptional and I would take him over Lew in an instance. Sadly we will never see that Rooney again unless you have a time machine? Or you can reverse the aging process? As it stands Lewandowski is a much better player than Rooney in attack and we have a very good Kagawa who could slot in behind RvP & Lew if needed. That Rooney is gone now. He is still a decent player and will get us goals, but Lew would have taken us to another level.
Lewandowski was linked to MU well before Ed002 confirmed it. Months before in fact. Us being interested in Lewandowski and me thinking Rooney may be sold this summer is completely unrelated. Rooney's performances have dipped a lot over the past 18 months and he was on the slide 18 months before that. I have my eyes wide open and can see that, although 18 months ago I was like you and Jred. I chose not to see the obvious. I didn't want to believe that a 25 year old Rooney was starting to go downhill.
In October I was told by a friend of mine, an old friend of my pops, that there had been a gentleman's agreement between MU and Lew to join this summer. More recently I have asked him where he got that from and he was told that by someone whilst watching an MU U'21 game. But after doing some of my own research on the very day I posted that rumour there was an identical story in the Guardian. So I think that is where it had originally come from. I don't think it was a "rumour" per se, more of someone repeating what they read from a newspaper.
Sydney!
Jred, you also said that Lewandowski was overrated and that I only rated him because we were linked to him.
Crash, bang, wallop, four goals against RM later and now he is a world beater. I rated Lew because he is a top class striker.
Sydney!
Syd
In other words it was a load of ba11oks.
The issue I have is that you are still stating your opinion as fact the same way you did with evra, baines, welbeck, cleverly, bale.
I didn't think you were right with your opinions on any of them players and said so at the time.
for me the Rooney thing is all tied in with ed and Lew and your argument would stand up a lot better if there was a single negative post from you on Rooney last summer or at any time through the previous season.
I just think your trying to back up your argument.
For the record I think Rooney had a poor season this year but the previous year with 34 goals I think he did well.
Jred
Syd
He ain't no world beater for sure. The 4 goals against RM certainly did not influence my views. He is a very good player. But he has yet to do it outside BvB, and the supply line there was worth wetting your pants. He hasn't impressed me one bit with Poland. So a good player, that's nailed on, but a world beater, not yet. In the future, may be. We are being too quick to write Wayne Rooney off. Now that its clear that the last 6 odd months had a completely demotivated Rooney, if he puts his s*** together, I will be naive to write him off. A motivated and hungry Rooney playing for someone else. Hard to fathom!
Deeps.
Syd
I said he was over rated by you my opinion on him as a footballer has never changed.
as I have pointed out many times my main issue was that we all ready had rvp and I felt to acomadate lew we would have to either move Rvp or play 2 up top, neither of which I would be in favour of.
It's not fifa you can't just buy all the best players.
And if I'm honest I do think the only reason you have gone on and on about him is because we were linked to him the same applies to strootman
jred
Jred, yes, but a blunder on my part really as I should have asked him more about where the info came from. I took it as if he was told by a decent source, but it seems he was just told by someone, who told someone, who told someone what they had read in the paper. I assume so anyway as when I have looked back at the post I sent, the exact same day it was in the Guardian paper. So it was a rumour, but originated from a newspaper (I assume). Either that or the Guardian got their story from a similar source to a journalist who often visits Carrington.
I rated Lewandowski highly before he was linked to us. I rate Strootman as a decent player that is on the verge of stepping up his game to the next level. That is my opinion, it isn't fact. Nothing I have said about any of the players you have mentioned I have claimed to be fact. They are my opinions and for some reason you feel the need to get teary eyed about them and have a paddy just because those opinions differ from yours.
Sydney!
Syd
Not teary eyed just a bit sick of you thinking your opinion is fact, after your views on them other players I thought you might of accepted your views are not always right.
But no it seems you are again convinced you are right about a player, in this case Rooney.
You might be right maybe Rooney is in terminal decline and will be poor again next year, personally I think we will see a much better Rooney be it for United or somebody else.
I guess we will have to wait and see
Jred
24 Jun 2013 04:52:26
Aint posted for a while but read through the site every day.
Ed002, Please come back, your witty reply's are missed by many on here, your football knowledge is second to none on the site and its just not the same without you.
I understand you don't need/want abuse from the inbred people who troll the site but they are only a few. The massive majority on the site are behind you and support your good work. please reconsidor, come back, and stick your middle finger up to the noobs.
Here here
Maybe the dick-heads who upset them could man up and apologise?
24 Jun 2013 01:32:09
Is there a possibility that Thiago himself would want a buyback clause? For instance play for united regular football for 2/3 years then return home to replace Xavi. It would be very hard for him to turn down almost like Cesc. It would suit Barcelona very well, sell for 15 and buy for 30 in 3 years time. They probably would have payed close to 15mil in wages over those 3 years if he was on there books so its would almost be breaking even. A long term loan to develop the player to his potential something he wouldn't be able to do if he stayed. Thoughts?
Sulei
Forget that. We're Manchester United, the biggest football club on the planet. Why should we nurture players for other clubs? I don't think these clauses should be allowed at all. They either want the player at their club or they don't. Barcelona are arrogant and think their way is the only way. I can't stand them.
Would Manchester United want a player who viewed us only effectively as a loan deal? If he was already planning his exit back there in three years I would not want to buy him
I don't believe that is the issue but more likely Barca disputing the terms of the release clause. There is another scenario, Barca have suddenly decided to sell someone in Thiago's way that enables him to feel assured of more playing time. For example Fabregas
Red Man
No name I would say Barcelona amongst another coupel of clubs are just as big if not bigger than our club if we are honest, certainly as a lure for a lot of football players. I would agree with your sentiment though of why an earth would we agree to a buy back clause in three years time, that is ridiculous, IF Thiago comes and Barca want him back in three years they can negotiate then IF the players wants to move and IF we are prepared to sell at that time.
Invisible STuey
Red Man, three years of Thiago is better than nothing. I would do everything in my power to sign him even if it was for three years. By then Januzaj, Pearson, Daehli & Powell will all be ready.
Sydney!
Agree, Noway we would play second fiddle to barca. We are a bigger club by all measures except total revenue which is a function of their direct TV deals that we can't do as part of the PL.
Whilst it does hurt us as a a club but it has made the PL the best league in the world and vice versa the spanish league a financial shamble.
Shahram
Sydney
I am glad you are not negotiating of behalf of the club :)
Shahram
So you wouldn't take Thiago on loan for three years Shahram?
Sydney!
Sydney
Buy back clause thing is deceiving anyway as it is only the right to match the best offer if the player is available in the future.
We are not a club that accepts players on loan and generally do not get involved in complicated deals whether it is co-ownership or buy back stuff.
Any player has the right to ask for a move away from any club and when and if it happens you deal with it.
If this is a condition to buying Alcantara, I would rather pass and go all out on Verrati and Gundogan. Both very Young and one can argue just as talented.
Shahram
You would be silly not to take Thiago for three years. He would have immediate impact, be a crucial player and may stay longer. If he doesn't then you can just sell him back to Barca for a large fee.
Didn't we sign Tevez on a two-year loan deal?
I would obviously want to buy Thiago with a clause, but if it was the only option then I would still go through with it. RM want Gundogan and Veratti isn't available so would you really risk another season without a creative midfielder due to a buyout clause? Thiago for three seasons is better than no Thiago for three seasons.
Sydney!
"Agree, Noway we would play second fiddle to barca. We are a bigger club by all measures except total revenue which is a function of their direct TV deals that we can't do as part of the PL. " - No offence but that is ridiculously naive. Along with Real Madrid, Barcelona is the biggest club in world football if you took your blinkers off and were realistic. We are I would say in the rung below them with AC Milan and Bayern Munich. I do also totally disagree with the idea of a three year loan however as it gives the wrong signals, even though ironically, signing the player we could of course lose him again in three or four years if he wishes to move back or on to another club. Also though both Gundogan and Verratti have had very good seasons, they have only proved themselves at the top really this last season and though I wouldn't mind either, personally I think Thiago is already a better player than both and within the next 2-5 years will be miles ahead of both of them, so although I totally disagree with the idea of a "loan" I would certainly much rather have Thiago for three years than either player you have mentioned, both of which would NOT in my opinion play over 100 games for Barcelona in the next three years, which Thiago has already accomplished.
Invisible STuey
Stuey, I didn't actually mean a three-year loan. I meant buying him with a clause in the assumption that he would return in three season's time.
Sydney!
Strange how peoples opinions are changing 48 hours ago thiago deal done and dusted now we are talking of three year loan deals, buy back clause, let's not get excited wait and see what players we actually sign
Fair enough Sydney, and though I agree would rather have him for 3 years than not at all, after all Cantona was only with us 3/4 years, I really don't like this buy back clause stuff. Saying that if we do sign him on say a four/five year contract then if he wishes to leave in three years we pretty much would need to sell anyway for the right price. The players really have all the power now regarding a transfer. but yes I just want us to have Thiago pretty much no matter what, not been as excited about a player since Ronaldhino
Invisible STuey
23 Jun 2013 23:50:48
Window not even open and my nerves are shot to pieces already.