Manchester United Banter Archive June 24 2015

24 Jun 2015 19:37:06
Firmino can he do it on a wet cold nite in Stoke,
Doesn't matter, none of the other Liverpool players can do it anyway

24 Jun 2015 20:09:09
Looks like a great basketball player

24 Jun 2015 20:37:04
Lol harsh but true story

24 Jun 2015 18:28:58
So that's firmino out of the way. How about we give adnan a good chance playing through the middle which is supposed to be his best position. He has bulked up a bit and he IS very talented. I think he's a bit wasted on the wings as he is not that fast(I'm talking ronaldo, messi, robben pace) and his crossing is poor. However his passing is very good and he could learn a lot from mata in that position.

24 Jun 2015 19:45:49
The thing with that theory is it does not generate excitement for us fans in the way of new signings.
Yet if ithink worked as with pereira and Wilson we would love it and prefer it. Just a risky strategy

24 Jun 2015 20:08:15
IMBS, come on, as pretty much everyone says, he needs to go out on loan. Get with it man

24 Jun 2015 21:36:18
Ajh
Lol
And yet if he was belgian(oh wait) and played for another team, like say ajax or psv, he'd be worth 20m+

24 Jun 2015 18:07:36
Some people appear to be growing increasingly agitated with transfers or lack of it, suffice it to say the international window still isn't even open, as many posters have pointed out. Last year we didn't make any significant signings until the 26th June (Herrera and Shaw) and a quick glance at my watch and I see its still only the 24th. For these reasons I'm quite content in the knowledge that behind close doors things are probably progressing.

{Ed001's Note - sometimes I think they just forget about Depay!}

24 Jun 2015 20:16:04
Transfer window not even open across Europe yet but we've signed, bar the formalities, one of the most sought after young talents in Europe. Apart from that depay deal which PSG forced our hand I think we are conducting our business with no fuss, under the radar. Only a couple weeks ago LVG said himself he was relaxed over transfers and he's literally just got back from holiday. Keep the panic until mid August if depay is still the only signing. Obviously we're interested in RB, CB, CM players at least.

24 Jun 2015 21:17:06
We haven't lost out on any major targets Hummells heart isn't in the move.We didn't really push for Firmino.Im confident we are enquiring about good players

24 Jun 2015 17:27:51
Just a couple of points to discuss!
First raheem sterling. City and Chelsea have been mentioned for about £40 million and apparently we declared our interest. There's been a big furore about a player WILL NOT move from Liverpool to Utd ( or vice versa) I'm not saying I want him at Utd but if we were to bid £50 million, would that not be accepted?
Do any of the eds know what the relationship is like between the glaziers and Fenway group?

The second is the r/b position! I wouldn't be surprised if we were not to sign somebody for this role. The longer it goes on I think L.V.G will use Jones or McNair to convert as a Gary Neville type full back!!

{Ed033's Note - the Glazers and FSG have no issues, but FSG are aware that their standing with the fans is not good, so they would not want to sanction a sale to Man Utd at the moment. If they had an extremely popular manager, who wanted the sale to go through and was willing to make sure it was on his head, then it would be a different matter. Right now though, they are busy avoiding any possibility of a sale to United. I really expect him to end up at City, I would be shocked if United would even consider working with the leech who represents Sterling. It is also that which will make it very difficult for Berahino to make a big move this summer.}

24 Jun 2015 17:59:17
The agent looks like a right shady so and so. I bet he has his grubby little fingers in a lot of dodgy pies.

His client list speaks volumes IMO: young impressionable players who want it all right now.

{Ed001's Note - in my opinion, Ward is what is known as an enabler. He does not try and help players to make the most of their career, he just enables them to do what they want in order to line his pockets. Not all agents are like that, sadly most players are too thick, greedy or both to realise that they are throwing away their potential for a few extra quid now.}

24 Jun 2015 18:54:49
I'm getting increasingly more worried by the day that there are such few good right backs available. Clyne doesn't convince me at all after reading the eds comments and Coleman is likely to cost an arm and a leg, Alves is done and Rafael won't get in this team, for what reason I don't know.

I really hope we don't stick with what we've got and have Valenica with McNair as understudy and Jones as cover, really that's not good enough at all, not seen anything of Darmain or Fabiano, what are they like guys?

{Ed001's Note - what have you thought of Roberto Rosales the Malaga CF right back? You have been scouting him in the Copa America apparently. He looks rapid and works back well when caught upfield, at least he does in internationals.}

24 Jun 2015 19:21:02
I couldn't agree more, Ed001.

Do you think that the FA and PL could get together and bring in definable parameters for agents to operate in, making the whole process more transparent so to speak, to ensure that players - especially young players - are properly looked after?

I know SAF had a particular disdain for a few agents. Probably one of the reasons, IMO, why we missed out on so many big names.

{Ed001's Note - I think it is becoming a bigger issue, but unfortunately agents have too much power to allow it to happen.}

24 Jun 2015 20:42:38
That is indeed the sad truth of the matter.

24 Jun 2015 20:48:18
Thanks for the snippet Ed001!

24 Jun 2015 15:51:20
Hey Ed
Please put your in put on William carvalho and our interest.

{Ed004's Note - Good player who we are very unlikely to move for}

24 Jun 2015 16:02:19
The Ramos rumours are really picking up pace, I don't want to get excited because I'm almost certain it's for a new contract but today's stories are that Ramos has asked for the club to listen to offers and its €30m+ DDG.

He's one of the best in the game and we'd likely get many years of service out of him too, he's only 29 and for a defender that's not really anything, especially considering he's never really had any injuries.

Schweinsteiger, Ramos, Di Maria and Falcao in the space of a year, if you'd told me we were going to sign all those 2 years ago I'd have laughed my head off.

24 Jun 2015 16:16:10
Anon

Hard to believe as that would mean we would have a valuation of 45 to 50 million pounds on Ramos. That is quite steep for a defender.

24 Jun 2015 16:27:11
if true just slap mugs on woodward and the glaziers face, not a chance we would give them dea gea plus 30 million euros.

24 Jun 2015 16:36:17
Anon - we certainly would have all laughed mate, but Schweiny & Ramos are anything but close, Falcao is now at a rvial and ADM was a joke last season!

It's just all messed up at the minute. I think I'm just going to close my eyes and ears until first game of the season because everything is so unpredictable and the lies being told are just horrible!

24 Jun 2015 16:40:27
Luiz did go for, what, £50m? Going rate for the Madrid captain who's won everything there is to win in the game.

24 Jun 2015 16:53:18
When you think about if there is no reason why defenders should be any cheaper than wingers. Keeping goals out is every bit as important as scoring them.

24 Jun 2015 16:54:26
GCU,
A 29 year old defender for that matter.

24 Jun 2015 17:07:32
Especially when Otamendi is available for less money and is willing to move and will probably take half the wages.

24 Jun 2015 14:54:53
Personal terms agreed with Lloris according to some french newspaper.

These are the type of headlines that people see and assume we have basically signed the player.

Let's pretend this headline has some facts behind it and it is actually true. There is still a long way to go. We need to negotiate with Spurs and more importantly Mr Levy. Agreeing personal terms is often the easiest step. Daniel Levy is yet to be elbow deep in our behinds and set a fee yet.

Long way to go (If true!)

24 Jun 2015 15:38:31
You off work today, Harry?

24 Jun 2015 15:53:42
is it obvious?

24 Jun 2015 15:42:36
Levy is ALWAYS a thorn in the side.

Lloris would jump at the chance, Levy will want double his worth. It would not surprise me if we paid £30 million for him.

24 Jun 2015 16:00:36
He is worth 25 mill for sure. We lose vey little between him and DDG. Not saying that because DDG might be leaving.

24 Jun 2015 16:04:01
Madrid are still yet to bid for DDG.

24 Jun 2015 16:14:24
Getting the feeling the GK situation is going to drag on all summer. Hope the rest is sorted quickly.

24 Jun 2015 16:38:02
Is De Gea set on leaving? Or is all pressure from family / agent?

I am not aware of De Gea actually saying he wants to leave, similarly I haven't heard him say he wants to stay.

It doesn't look good, but maybe there is a chance he stays (and signs!)

One can wish I suppose!!

24 Jun 2015 18:53:41
Yep. Me too. Nice being off when the rest are at work. Apart from the students of course. From memory, they're ALWAYS off.

24 Jun 2015 14:17:34
Despite the lack of transfer activity thus far which I believe is nothing to be concerned about as I am very confident there is work going on behind the scenes, I am actually rather pleased with how it is coming across, the way we are handling ourselves in the market this year. For example, Ed004 has mentioned that interest seems to of moved on from Hummels. Now, although disappointing, at least we are not spending the whole summer chasing a player with no success like we did with Thiago Alcantara a couple of seasons ago. We expressed an interest in Hummels, no positive response, move on. I also like that it would seem we are playing hardball with Madrid and not just accepting De Gea will go there for a tiny fee and if a deal is to take place, we are trying to get more money or a player as part of the deal. The liklihood is that De Gea will go there but at least it seems we are toughening up in the negotiation aspect of how we handle business which for me is a positive.
I also think if we can sign Schweinsteiger, this in the long term could be a positive for us in any potential transfer targets who are German. The Germans seem to rarely leave Germany but if Schweinsteiger makes the move, it may open the eyes of other German players as he is, I assume, an Icon and role model amongst German footballers.

24 Jun 2015 14:48:01
I think schweinsteiger is brilliant and has 4 or 5 years of football ahead of him and if he comes i agree with you it is a fantastic signing.

Just catching up to the news, Athletico Madrid seem to have done very well by getting Martinez and Vieto and getting rid of Mr Lumpy Manduzic, who I think is rubbish and seems like Turan is also getting moved on. Credit to their scouting and how they recruit.

Interesting none of the big clubs with financial muscle have made any major signings, i.e Chelsea, Real, Bayern,City,PSG, United. Granted PSG and City need to sell players to buy given FPP restrictions. Interesting to see what happens once the window is open and the rest of the summer with players like Verrati, Pedro,

Juve buying Manduzic and Diaballa as replacement for Tevez also seems to have improved that team. Expect Vidal or Pogba to move now given the fact they also bought the midfielder whose name escapes me.

Arsenal have done very well again with getting Cech.

We might see us move for Vidal and the stories about Gundogan staying must have something to do with us potentially looking elsewhere and not making a bid.

24 Jun 2015 15:12:21
Sharahm, if you think Manduzic is rubbish and AM are better without him, how has Juve signing him, improved them? :)

24 Jun 2015 15:40:25
Khedira GDS?

24 Jun 2015 15:40:39
Meant GCU*

24 Jun 2015 15:42:13
And you've got me in such a fizz, you've made me spell his name wrong, too. TWICE!

24 Jun 2015 16:03:18
Noucamp

Because they signed the Palermo Boy too(dyabala) so over all they lose Tevez but add more depth in their striker position. The Palermo boy is the improvement and yes I think Manduzic is just a lump lol.

24 Jun 2015 16:06:22
Anon

Not Khedira as he is not a natural replacement for either Pogba or Vidal and more a holding midfielder. They signed the guy from Udinese. South American midfielder Roberto Pereyra.

24 Jun 2015 12:49:31
I have to comment on something Brendan wrote below about us becoming the Northern Spurs. Personally I agree. It's quite clear we've become a small club, with small ideas and no money to back them up. In fact I'm sure it's a dire plot by the Glazers to drive the club into the ground, while maximizing short term cash flow. We're doomed. A Northern Spurs is probably the best we can expect. And now that we've already missed out on every single one of our 73 transfer targets this summer - even before the transfer window has officially opened - the die is cast. We'll be lucky to be ahead of Liverpool at the end of the upcoming season.

That's it then. It's over. No point in even watching the games from hereon in. They will be dull mediocre events played in front of a virtually empty stadium. The team has become a metaphor for the Manchester weather, a cold drizzle. To quote that old blues classic, the thrill is gone. But let's look on the bright side, maybe we can wean ourselves off this obsession, and look forward to spending our weekends doing more productive things like shopping. Which brings to mind another quote, by one Martin Luther King Jr. "Free at last. Free at Last. Thank God almighty, we are free at last". Was he talking about all the players who have finally fulfilled their desire to leave our club, and seem to keep doing so on free or virtually free transfers?

24 Jun 2015 13:14:55
Never agreed with anything quite so much, top post!

24 Jun 2015 13:16:03
Never thought I'd see a quote from martin Luther king Jr on this page, that was pretty special.

24 Jun 2015 13:31:05
Someone's had too much sun.

24 Jun 2015 13:37:25
it's like fishing inception :o

24 Jun 2015 13:32:52
Even Fresh won't bite at this one!

The funniest thing about this is that on my lunch I was looking at some articles on the MEN website and the comments on the bottom are actually like this, and being genuine. Some people need to get a grip.

24 Jun 2015 14:37:59
LOL
Top quality post.

24 Jun 2015 16:07:13
We are doomed and will most likely be looking for a new manager by christmas.

24 Jun 2015 12:08:09
I'd like to think LvG is handling transfers as we speak. So to take my mind off it, how about a question. Which of the three promising youngsters we have (Wilson, Januzaj & Pereira) do you guys think will do the best this season?

24 Jun 2015 12:30:56
Providing we don't buy another striker, I think Wilson might get more game time than the other two, so probably him, with the benefit of more first-team action.

I'd like to see Adnan get plenty of game time, too - thought he was trying too hard to impress last season, knowing he was only in for a game every full moon. A bit more maturity in his final balls, and a bit of bulking up, and I still think the fella will prove a lot of the doubters wrong.

I think Perreira is exciting, but still a good bit off regular first-team action.

If Adnan isn't going to get the game time, I'd reluctantly have him on loan at a Spurs or Everton-type side, who like to play similar football to us. No point in him stagnating on the bench. Same with Wilson, if we buy another striker.

Personally, having watched a lot of the U21s over the last three or four seasons, I'm excited about the long-term prospects of all three.

24 Jun 2015 12:37:49
McNair ;)

24 Jun 2015 12:40:14
I would put Januzaj and Wilson out on loan as their development seems to have stalled. Both excellent in the reserves but unable to consistently step up to the first team.

Januzaj needs to get his mojo back - maybe at a smaller club where he'll be the star and will get the wind back in his sails.

Wilson seems capable enough but lacking first team experience and maybe a bit naive again grizzled established defenders. Again, out on loan to become more worldly and, ahem, tactical.

So I'd bring Perreira gradually in, maybe as right sided AM or even no.10. Maybe the reason we didn't go for Firmino (as well as the reticule us price the Pool have paid and the apparent guarantees of playing time he's also allegedly demanding)

On another matter, hope Di Maria goes - never settled, wants to go back to Spain and could be another Veron - and hope we don't get Ramos. Would he want to come to us for any other reason but massive wages? Get someone in who really wants to play for us and likes a bit of Rojo.

24 Jun 2015 12:58:42
Stevie,

I could have written all of that mate, saved me a job, agree with all of it, especially about being excited about all 3.

Other players I am excited about are Timothy Fosu Mensah, Donald Love, Ben Pearson and Ashley Fletcher, all 4 of them have impressed me in their age groups this year. Donald Love I have never seen mentioned on here, but I have yet to see him have a bad game at Under 21 level.

Another player who I admit I have not seen enough of but scored a fantastic goal against City at Old Trafford in the Under 21 game is Matty Willock, still only 18 and promoted to the under 21s he also looks like he could have something special about him.

24 Jun 2015 13:40:32
Forgot about him mbd! Love me a bit of McNair!

24 Jun 2015 15:15:00
GDS, I hit the agree button on your post to make it 1-0, and I come back an hour later, and we're 3-1 down! What have you been doing while I was away? :)

24 Jun 2015 21:35:56
My stalker is back today mate, it's sweet.

24 Jun 2015 11:58:51
Hi All,
When are you all going to realise even though we are Manchester United we just don't do it in the transfer market. Spent loads last year to show financial muscle nothing else, how many of them were a success? Only one I can think of and that's the little Spaniard and even then it took 6 months for him to be given a chance.

Its that time of year chaps, any targets of ours will go elsewhere as always, we will then panic buy towards the end of the window.

Kondogbia - Class act just what we need, joined Inter for peanuts when not even in Champions league, we are being linked with a 30 year old passed his best in the same position.

De Gea going - we have let Cech join Arsenal

Hummels - won't happen despite months of chat
Real Madrid players won't join in any swap deal.

Pleased with Depay but guys that's the best it is going to get this summer, we need to forget about it because as usual we will either buy late and expensive or do nothing as usual.

Usual summer of disappointment guys, we were lucky for years with the Magician that is Sir Alex getting more out of players than he should have, now we need to spend big we are not the same force on the pitch.

24 Jun 2015 12:16:26
Oh Clarkdog.

Schweinstiger is 4 or 5 times the player Kondogbia is and probably ever will be.

You can complain about Schweinstiger being passed his best and the moan when we don't get a 33 year old goalkeeper, who is past his best. Just doesn't make sense.

Hummels is a dissapointment i must admit, but how do you know any Real Madrid players won't join? no-body knows and that's half the fun in the transfer market.

End of the day we all banter back and fourth but no-body other than LvG and Mr Woodward know who we want.

Hope i speak for us all with this post and say there is no need for the doom and gloom. But then again i may have just bitten on your rod (No innuendo)

24 Jun 2015 12:48:33
You can't possibly say who will or won't sign, did anyone expect di maria and falcao to sign last summer? Despite them underperforming it shows we can get some very big names in, there's loads of time left chill out.

24 Jun 2015 13:03:58
Harry,

I think unfortunately this post is genuine, you haven't been caught in a rod.

Clark, how tall are you? Herrera is 6 foot, not sure he is a 'little Spaniard', or did you mean Mata (I don't think you did).

Well done for getting 'just what we need' into the post. Always nice to see new posters, but we have enough doom and gloom merchants through the season without them coming out of the woodwork in June.

24 Jun 2015 13:44:19
Thank god GDS2 - I can't be seen having another posters rod in my mouth. The doom and gloom makes me laugh though. Comparing Kondogbia to Schweinstiger is like comparing Joe Allen to Ander Herrera ;-)

24 Jun 2015 13:49:10
Kondogbia is not a class act, a decent player with potential but to label him class at 22 is a bit ambitious,

and as for letting cech go arsenal(we were never interested in him), we already have a keeper ready to take over from dea gea if and when he's goes in valdes,

and there's been talk of several cbs not just hummels so how do you know he is the main defender we want?

schweinsteiger being passed it is not a serious comment is it?

all this talk about other teams buying players, were not getting anyone and blar blar blar, who have city got? chelsea? arsenal? spurs? all classed as champions league contenders, they have bought no one. other than liverpool who haven't bought players who we all sitting here worried about, ings= average, milner = isn't really a game changer is he, and as for this flimino or what ever he is called how many people even new he existed a month ago.

get a grip of yourself

24 Jun 2015 14:27:47
Clarkdog, be patient man. I too really wanted Kondogbia but we have to trust that LVG has other CM targets, hopefully Schneiderlin. On Cech, we have to respect the fact that he wanted to stay in London, where his family had settled. Time will tell regarding Hummels or other CB options.

24 Jun 2015 11:35:41
I don't understand all the negativity and hate surrounding the interest in Sergio Ramos. Whether we will sign him or will we be used to get a new contract at Madrid by him remains to be seen but to question is ability and quality as a defender does not make any sense to me.

He is not only a strong and tough defender, great in the air and makes crunching tackles, but also is very good on the ball and is excellent at bringing it out of defense and has a lot of pace. Add to that he has been there and done that at the very highest level and has bags of experience. This is a player who has won the Champions League, a World Cup and two European Championships. He is a leader on the pitch and is in line to be the next captain after Casillas. Real crumbled in his absence last season and the games in which he was either injured or out of position were the ones that ultimately cost them. You simply don't last at Real Madrid for as long as he has if you are not a consistent world class player.

Yes, he can make a few rash challenges and has made some mistakes, but which defender hasn't? Plenty of opposition fans could point out the same things about Rio and Vida during their time here. He does have a bit of nastiness about him, but I like that. You want a couple of those kind of players in your team. We've had them in the past and I'd rather he line up for us than against.

To me, he is amongst the top 3-4 center backs in world football without any shadow of a doubt. He is 29 and can easily play for 3-4 seasons with top quality performances.

So I see three options for center back at the moment :-

1. Ramos - De Gea plus cash (I wouldn't mind De Gea plus maximum 20mil pounds). May be using us for a new contract, but may also genuinely want out after having burnt his bridges with Fiorentino Perez. ** Its important to note that he is not in the "protected by Perez" camp which includes the likes of Benzema and could be likely to leave and could be the key to them landing De Gea this summer. Age 29.

2. Hummels - Will take a huge bid, doesn't seem like he wants to leave and neither are Dortmund willing to sell. He also lacks a bit of pace and is also prone to lapses in concentration and isn't the "tough nuts, will put his head anywhere for the cause" kind of defender. He is the top target but looks unlikely at the moment. Age 26 (this works in his favor).

3. Otamendi - Has played in a top league just for one season. Will cost 50mil Euros. Isn't as good on the ball as the other two, although is a very tough defender and difficult to play against. There may be some concerns over his height. Age 27.

Of the 3, if we have to spend big money on someone, Ramos is the best bet and minimal risk (although not in terms of age) imo. If age was the concern, I'd rather see us sign Hummels. Otamendi should be the last choice of the 3.

But if he is available, signing Ramos is a must imo and he will instantly improve our defense.

What are your thoughts, posters and Eds?

{Ed004's Note - I would be very happy with Ramos and think he would compliment Smalling. I think a partnership of Smalling and Ramos would be very good. Both very quick so can play a highline, Ramos is an excellent ball playing centre back and Smalling has improved massively there IMO. Both are also very good in the air and if we sign Ramos and Schweinsteiger I reckon we would have one of the strongest if not strongest spine of a team in the league (would need one more cm tho like Pogba, Vidal or Gundogan)}

24 Jun 2015 12:06:28
How would people feel about swapping di Maria for schweinsteiger plus 30-40million and buying arda turan who is said to be in talks with a CL prem club hopefully us got a feeling it might be Chelsea tho. Turan definitely fits LVG philosophy more than di Maria does and he works his socks off for the team which we badly need

24 Jun 2015 12:28:19
We need to clear this please. How come each time we are linked with a player (especially a high profile one) and we fail to secure his services, we always come up with the excuse that the player used us to get an improved deal with his club. This I find funny. Come to think of it,are we the only big team around? Why are these players not using other big teams to get an improved contract?
We should stop deluding ourselves with this kind of statements. I'm not saying it isn't happening elsewhere,ourselves is rampant. At least,I've come across it here quiet a number of time.
I think we should face the reality that not every top player will like to play for us and not every deal we go for will be positive.
In other words,there may be a genuine interest in Sergio Ramos and other players we are linked with, that it doesn't materialize,doesn't mean these player use us to get an improved deal with their club sides. Thanks.

{Ed004's Note - Blanc basically came out and said that Dani Alves was using PSG and Manutd to get a better contract. So your point doesn't really hold up well. It is a common thing for footballers to do}

24 Jun 2015 12:57:00
Thanks end,but don't you think we lay too much emphasis on this point each time we failed to secure the services of a player? I may be wrong though, it seems to me this is very common when it comes to Manchester United.

{Ed004's Note - It tends to be used more here because we are linked to far more players than any other team due to our large fan base}

24 Jun 2015 19:37:54
Ramos just isn't going to happen. It's sad really.

24 Jun 2015 10:57:16
I have just had a read at what Harry Redknapp has said about the growing influence of agents in the modern game. He claims that most agents are getting very friendly with board members and Chairman at clubs and will often go directly to them with their propositions without even giving the Manager a heads up.

He reckons "unless your someone like Wenger who has complete control of the club" as a Manager you are irrelevant in most negotiations. If this is the case is it time to permanently get rid of the 'Club Manager role' and replace it with 'Head Coach'?

24 Jun 2015 12:36:13
At some clubs that's true, but Arry is just trying to deflect any blame for the mess he made of QPR by pretending that he had players forced on him.

24 Jun 2015 13:12:23
I totally agree with both of u.

Redknapp has spent the last few months trying to deflect blame after qpr and I do agree with jmb that a manager now seems irrelevant to some degree in football.

24 Jun 2015 10:51:50
What is everyones opinion of Januzaj? As a spurs fan I think he hasn't lived up to the huge hype about him when he came on the scene. Seems too lightweight and afraid to run at people or commit defenders. just wondered what the united community think of him.

24 Jun 2015 11:11:32
Lightweight needs to beef up

24 Jun 2015 11:22:39
he did seem to have bulked up a little towards the end of the season, maybe we were developing him this way last season, I said a few weeks ago, I think he will have a much better season this time around.

24 Jun 2015 11:41:55
You think he hasn't lived up to the hype? He's just turned 20, he has a lot of time to do that. The English media like to talk teenagers up so when they inevitably struggle for a bit they can call them failures.

In the under 21s he is a class above, sometimes it seems a bit unfair on the defender trying to mark him, he just needs to make that step up which is sometimes easier said than done. You don't have as much time at the top level and every mistake is criticised, hopefully this year we will see some more improvement when he plays for the first team.

24 Jun 2015 12:02:35
he hasn't lived up to the hyp no, icant remember the las united game I thought crist the januzaj looks a good player! so no he hasn't progressed GDS2.

There are young players that have lived up to the hype so wondering what's happening with him that's all

24 Jun 2015 12:05:10
Januzaj is a brilliant player, maybe needs to bulk up, but LvG is the best manager for this. Adnan said recently that he wants to stay at United and become a legend, so he also seems focused and determined. He will be better this season with a few more appearances.

24 Jun 2015 12:16:10
The lad needs a run of games, just like anyone else. Whether that's with us, or on loan at a good Premiership side. This stop-start thing won't help him in the slightest to progress.

I still have very high hopes for him - I can't forget some of the performances I've witnessed from him in the U21s, and in the full team last season.

A bit more strength, and a bit more maturity in his decision-making, and I still think he'll be a top player for us.

I remember people having the same doubts about Ronaldo - the whole show-pony thing, but he turned out alright.

24 Jun 2015 12:28:18
I think he needs a good season just to remind people what he can do. he's gone bit quite last year or so that is all I was saying, he has bags of potential just needs to show t a bit more

24 Jun 2015 12:53:18
He either becomes a Giggs or an Eagles. Fingers crossed for the former!

24 Jun 2015 13:17:48
boddey,

I would agree with you there mate, lots of potential but didn't quite show it last season, there is a lot of time for him to do that though, we are too quick to judge young players sometimes. Shame he isn't English, 3 good games next season and we could get 50 million for him.

24 Jun 2015 13:18:12
I think he's a 20yr old that like most 20 yr olds is inconsistent. The boy has amazing talent and as long as he works hard and keeps his feet on the ground he could reach the heights of other very good players.

If in 3 years it's the same yes he was over hyped but for now he's allowed to be a young inconsistent player while learning his trade.

24 Jun 2015 13:51:39
if he was English city would be offering 70 mil for him haha. just think he needs to get his head down and maybe take few more risks when on the ball. seems like all he does is pass sideways because he's scared to lose the ball. get to the by line and take the full back on and whip dangerous balls in, u do that and van persie will improve his goal tally as well. I would try and build the team around him in the cup competitions and see if he thrives being the top dog and give him the freedom of the park. I'm sure you united fans aren't that bothered if you get knocked out of the carling cup so take a few risks with the boy.

24 Jun 2015 09:40:14
I have some sad news.

This morning i fell victim to something i like to call 'excitmentitis'.

I saw a Ramos rumour, i started thinking, 'but what if he isn't using us for a contract upgrade, what if there is actual interest'. I started imagining him in our team and how good it would be.

I got excited. I apologise. But just imagine. He's a World Class Defender.

I know we won't sign him and i think my bacon sandwich was the remedy which cured me.

24 Jun 2015 07:19:25
Anyone else a little concerned that we are not getting our deals done early so that they can attend the full pre-season with us?

24 Jun 2015 08:03:54
Well its early days but LvG did say he wanted deals done early. Liverpool are busy, and City, Chelsea and Arsenal are all active, yet despite the best attemps by various newspapers to generate our interest with stories of just about everyone being on our 'radar', very little is actually happening. Is this another 'big spending' summer when we don't actually spend big?
At least some of our youngsters are pushing for places, though I wouldn't want to rely on them just yet. For me, our problem areas are still waiting to be sorted out and I would like everyone inplace before we head of to America. Bored of allthe made up stories and players using us to get their new contracts.

24 Jun 2015 08:05:10
We have ALREADY SIGNED Depay for a CONSIDERABLE amount of cash ALREADY. What more do folk want? Clubs haven't even done their end of season evaluations yet!

24 Jun 2015 08:29:46
If we don't sign AT LEAST 6 first team players by the 2nd July, we can kiss good by to challenging next season and we may not even qualify for the CL group stage!

24 Jun 2015 09:04:54
I must be missing something with the many posts about how we have as yet, not signed anyone. I thought the window did not open until 1st July.

If that is right, then no transfers can have taken place?

24 Jun 2015 09:18:26
I think we will do a big "reveal", to show we are totally organised this season. It is disruptive to preparation if you have new players drip fed into the squad throughout pre-season. LVG for all the criticism I give him does get a thumbs up for being prepared (or wanting to be), and goes that extra mile to ensure players are ready.

Getting all the new faces in for the first day of pre-season will be his aim and from a commercial point of view having one big bonanza day will do wonders for the stock price and cause minimum disruption.

Alternatively - we could just be waiting for our players to be moved on so we aren't caught short and held over a barrel finding replacements.

Who's knows, but I do know several players have moved for reasonable prices already that would have done a fantastic job for us - am I naïve to think we have a master plan or are we just winging it aqain like we did last summer?!

24 Jun 2015 09:24:03
JMB has got it spot on there. Weirdly it's not at simple as pointing at a player and clicking your fingers.

24 Jun 2015 09:25:42
JMB,
I am sure you can come up with what we want as you probably want the same, question should be "at this time?" Hopefully we will get that DMF and CB in time to understand the philosophy.
JTRED,
Ayew hasn't moved to Swansea, we haven't signed Depay and Milner is still a City player. Surely the 1st July thing can't be right?

24 Jun 2015 09:44:44
It's all getting so very tedious half the players and managers are still on holiday,the international window does not open for another week and all the deals we are probably working on are not straight forward so I think we should all show a bit of restraint and calm down.

24 Jun 2015 09:48:21
I'm with Brendan, it's the 24th June and we have signed one dutch player. Pfft, how on earth are we going to compete with the big boys. Might as well give up now.

24 Jun 2015 10:37:51
Beast which players do you speak of mate?

Just out of interest.

24 Jun 2015 11:02:02
JMB - I thought we would have Firmino, so I'm not exactly reliable here. But I have a strong suspicion Clyne is done, I hope Otamendi and Vidal, but to be honest I haven't a clue because there are so many variables.

I just don't believe we would be sat twiddling our thumbs whilst key players are being snapped up. Maybe the Copa America is holding things up slightly, but I do think we will name 2-3 signings in one day soon.

24 Jun 2015 11:53:12
Its funny you talk about key players being snapped up when in reality you have no idea who LVG actually wants to sign.

A little patience is required there is around 7 weeks to the beginning of the season, if nobody is signed in say the next 3 to 4 weeks then start to worry.

24 Jun 2015 14:31:13
Nate- I say "key" because they are being talked about in glowing terms and will be/should be big players for their teams.

I don't know who we are after but this is a football rumour/banter site after all!