24 Oct 2011 23:44:52
Dalglish vs Fergie
1985/86 - Liverpool 1st United 4th
1986/87 - Liverpool 2nd United 11th
1987/88 - Liverpool 1st United 2nd
1988/89 - Liverpool 2nd United 11th
1989/90 - Liverpool 1st United 13th
1990/91 - Liverpool 2nd United 6th
1992/93 - Blackburn 4th United 1st (a newly promoted Blackburn)
1993/94 - Blackburn 2th United 1st
1994/95 - Blackburn 1st United 2nd
The only 'failure' for Dalglish is Newcastle and that is because he wasn't given enough time to convert a aged team with most their star players into the early thirties.
And as for that t**t Bond, how you can cite a corrupt t**t like that is beyond me, he is at the right place now alongside the infamous 'wheeling and dealing' Harry Redknapp, i would love to take a look at their tax books, i think you would have a better chance of getting the 'truth' from Thatcher. I will never forget the day Walshy gave him a beautiful shiner, and the week after he coped another one and looked like a panda haha.
Fergie fears Dalglish, as simple as that how else can you explain spending 16.5-20m on a young centre-back when everyone knew you needed a creative midfielder ala Scholes? Simple Fergie wanted one over Dalglish, get him back for Hysen to the detriment of his team.
And 'red man' how you can call Dalglish resigning because of his mental state after the Hillsborough disater, 'running away' is disgusting but hey whatever gets you up in the morning mate.
The King is back to claim is crown.....
Jatt YNWA {Ed001's Note - calm down Jatt, by Bond I would think they were referring to our very own Ed007, otherwise known as Bond. He is a Celtic fan and so saw Dalglish's era at Celtic, which was not good.}
Manchester United Banter Archive October 24 2011
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24 Oct 2011 23:35:08
A lot of names are being banded about on this site of who we should sign to get on the level of Madrid, Barca etc. Well, let's have a look:
Defence: Who'd have thought we'd be concerned about the defence back in August. The reality is Ferdinand and Evra are just not good enough. Evra can f**k off for all I care, because the amount of goals/chances we have conceded this season is largely his fault. 3 goals scored by City on Sunday were his fault. Ferdinand is past it. Has been for a while now. I don't know what to say about Jonny Evans. He's been here all his career and he's got the same physique he had in the academy. He needs to bulk up or he's gone too. Now, I think we should bring in Gary Cahill in January for £5-7million. He's cheap, relatively young and a decent 4th choice centre-back behind Vida, Smalling and Jones. Izzaguire looks like a good option for left back, although Alba and Pereira are options too. As for Azpiliqueta at Marseille, not sure if he's needed when we have the twins.
That leaves Rafael, Fabio, Smalling, Jones, Cahill, Vidic, Izzaguire, Evans, Fryers, Blackett
Midfield: This is a massive problem area. The need for a solid, creative partnership in midfield has never been more apparent. Anderson has had numerous chances, he has blown it. The player we hoped he would become will not happen. I'm not sure about Carrick. He's valuable for away in the Champions League, but he's got no confidence to move forward with the ball. Park is 30. Giggs is 38 years old. Cleverley is 22 years old and he is our best midfielder. He's a great prospect, but come on, it's his first real season at United. We need two midfielders. I would go all out for Javi Martinez at Athletic Bilbao and Mario Goetze at Dortmund. Javi Martinez, along with Jack Wilshere, is the only player I have seen stand up well to the Barcelona trio. He will be expensive, but he won't want high wages. We would keep the ball a lot better if we signed him. Mario Goetze is phenomenol talent. He can change a game in a second. He would offer some real flair in this team. Again expensive, but wages are low. He can play RM, LM, CAM and CM. Of course Pogba and Morrison need to get their chance.
That leaves Cleverley, Pogba, Martinez, Nani, Young, Valencia, Morrison, Goetze, Park, Fletcher.
Forward: I can't believe we kept Berbatov when all we are doing is keeping him on the bench. Berbatov should be sold, because he is wasting his career on the bench at United. Macheda will never make it at United. Where is Will Keane? He is a natural goalscorer, and should be well ahead of Macheda in the team. Maybe send Dioouf on loan. We would need to replace Berbatov. Maybe we could make a bid for Van Persie who will have 1 year left on his contract next summer.
That leaves Rooney, Chicharito, Van Persie, Welbeck, Keane.
In:
Van Persie- £12-15million
Mario Goetze-£30million
Javi Martinez- £30-35million
Gary Cahill- £5million
Emilio Izzaguire- £8million
Total- £85-93million
Out:
Berbatov: £12million
Macheda: £3million
Anderson: £10million
Giggs: Retired
Ferdinand: £5million
Evra: £8million
Carrick?: £5million
Total: £43million
Net spend: £42-50million
Wages will be low for every one of these players. Yes, the fees could be high enough, but that's what you have to pay these days. Thought's?
G.A.G.U.S {Ed001's Note - would you want to rely on the twins to stay fit?}
24 Oct 2011 23:11:19
Do you think van der vaart would be worth going for in January. He wouldn't be cup tied for cl either.
24 Oct 2011 22:34:08
The league is neither won nor lost in October. Pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down. Don't write united off just yet.
24 Oct 2011 21:33:46
Shaun, you absolute clown! Yesterday was a bad day for all United fans, but to suggest Fergie step down is taking it too far. This man was in charge when we lost 5-0 to Newcastle, 6-3 to Southampton, 5-0 to Chelsea. He overcame every single one of those barriers. He has taken on Wenger, Dalglish, Mourinho, Ancelotti and Benitez and won. Who's to say he won't get the better of Mancini? Don't be so naive would ya? Do not ever write of Fergie.
G.A.G.U.S
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'G.A.G.U.S', you absolute clown! Fergie took on Dalglish and always lost! Go research your facts first mate.
Jatt YNWA
24 Oct 2011 21:00:28
Now were all in agreement that the squad needs freshening up and the dead wood needs shipping out, for too long we have held onto players who aren't quite good enough rather than spend on bringing either world class players or players with world class potential. The trick is how do you do it? If you go for the brutal Wenger way and just ship out everyone then who is left behind to guide the youngsters to glory? To teach them how to win on a cold monday night in the middle of febuary at the Britiannia, experiance is vital to a young squad. So were left with what to do.
In the short term(between now and january) i'd drop Evra for a few games and give Pogba his chance. Hopefully the return of Cleverley will help. In defence I'd go for a starting back four of
Rafael Smalling Vidic Evans
Now i know i can here the moans at Evans inclusion but we need someone who will just defend our left flank and not bomb forward. We need a settled back four so they can work effectively as a unit. I give Evra a chance again mid november to see if he's got his act together. I think Smalling offers a more calming option to Jones in our back four and it releases Jones to play further up field if need be.
In midfield i'd look to give Pogba his chance and maybe give Jones a run of games in the centre of midfield along side Cleverley. I'd rotate Fletcher and Anderson around abit just to keep everyone fresh. Stats wise Anderson has been our best midfielder this season but even i'll have to admit he just doesn't seem able to live up to his potential for some reason, I'd keep him until the summer then we maybe better placed to judge what to do with him then.
Our forward line doesn't need much doing with it atm, Nani and Rooney just need to find form again.
Medium term(January-summer). In january there needs to be a purchase but more importantly we need to shift some dead wood, I'd sell Carrick Gibson Kusczcak Berbatov(his sulking can't be help team moral) and Macheda. I'd Keep Evra(unless he's started causing trouble due to his being benched) Evans(good squad player and is settled at the club) Anderson Owen and Diouf at least until the summer as you don't wanna lose to many experianced players in one window and it's awkward to get the best prices in january.
I'd bring in a midfielder(only one at this stage) and proberly a left back. The midfielder i'd bring in would be either Marko Marin(my 1st choice) or Marvin Martin(2nd choice) as both could play in europe for us and both have the qualities we are missing, also neither would cost too much. The left back spot is alittle trickier to sort, the three best candidates are
Jordi Alba- hugely talented but cup tied and Barca are sniffing around him and we just wouldn't win in a battle for his signature against his boyhood club.
Alvaro Pereira- proberly second best left back but again cup tied in europe.
Emilo Izaguirre- third best player on the list but not cup tied, and has very good potential.
So if we sign someone in January then unless we sign Izaguirre then they won't be able to play for us in europe, or we could wait until the summer depending on whether being benched for abit has a good effect on Evra, either way we are likely to need to keep hold of him until the summer to get the best price for him. Personally i'd like Alba but he maybe unreachable if Barca step in, also if Valencia are still in europe which looks likely then they won't wanna sell. Maybe sign Pereira and just use Evra in europe. We'd have to wait and see how things are in january before making a final decision on this position. That should be it for january signings, i'd look to intergrate the new player/s and push for silverware.
Long term(next summer) we'd need to see how the players have done over the whole season, but i'd expect Owen Evra Diouf Giggs Ferdinand and maybe Anderson(depending on how he's done over the whole season) out with a midfielder and a forward player with abit of spark coming in, who? well we'll need to see who avaliable and what we need at the time. Evans Fletcher and Park stay as they are all good squad players who have experiance that is vital as they need to pass it onto the other players coming in or being premoted into the squad.
Shappy
24 Oct 2011 20:42:56
syd
never mind silva did you know that united didn't push through a deal for torres because there were concerns he would not be strong enough for the pl
source andy cole
jred {Ed002's Note - Many clubs look at many players, it does not mean that they were "missed".}
24 Oct 2011 20:18:59
I was saying all summer we needed to buy quality in the midfield area but that the Glazers wouldn't do it and all the time I was shouted down now all of a sudden you lot are waking up to the fact that whilst the Glazers have taken £450 out of the club city's owners have invested their own money into the club and yesterday was the result. Some of you are finally waking up to see the truth. As I revealed last week Ravel Morrison will play tomorrow lets hope he steps up to the mark. RAINFISHTROMBONE
24 Oct 2011 19:33:55
Yesterday was an humiliating occassion, but as we all know, the league trophy is not won and lost in October. A 1-0 defeat would have been bad, but you shrug your shoulders and move on with a "that's football". However, this was a catastrophic result.
Now sit back and watch the master as he manipulates this situation.
United against the world, the long awaited demise, humiliation at the hands of our neighbours. Over the next days, weeks, months, this type of rhetoric will be ringing in the ears of every employee at United, and everyone will be in no doubt what is expected. Have absolutely no doubt whatsoever, Manchester United, the wounded animal, will come out snarling and fighting.
We have suffered batterings in the past, and come back stronger, more focussed and hungrier than before. If anyone wants to write us off, do so at your peril, you know the great man will have us absolutely flying again as a consequence of yesterday.
24 Oct 2011 19:27:52
i have been a united supporter since late 80s and it pains me to see my team lose.yesterday was an all time low and confirmed what i have known for a while......we are in decline and if we do not invest some serious money in jan/next summer then we will have to settle for a top4 finish at best next season.
the united team, historically, has been built on a strong midfield.now have probably the worst central midfield in our history. the defeat to barcelona showed millions across the world that united are in decline.
if the glazers really, i mean REALLY want united to be successful then they will provide sir alex with the money.i dont see it happening so the only scenario that can save us is a takeover from the qatari royal family.
24 Oct 2011 19:18:38
Well said that man. i wonder how many of the SAF we trust mob who slated anyone that dared to critise SAF in the summer window are on today? the club needs a serious shake-up. Thanks for everything you have done in the past fergie but it is time for a change.
shaun
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Shaun, you absolute clown! Yesterday was a bad day for all United fans, but to suggest Fergie step down is taking it too far. This man was in charge when we lost 5-0 to Newcastle, 6-3 to Southampton, 5-0 to Chelsea. He overcame every single one of those barriers. He has taken on Wenger, Dalglish, Mourinho, Ancelotti and Benitez and won. Who's to say he won't get the better of Mancini? Don't be so naive would ya? Do not ever write of Fergie.
G.A.G.U.S
24 Oct 2011 19:07:50
we are letting too many talented players slip through our fingers, we could of had a team like:
_______degea_______
smalling_rio_vidic_evra
____toure_sneijder___
nani____silva____mata
_______rooney______
*silva would of cost 25m in the summer of 2008
*toure wouldn't of cost any more than 15m at the time when barcelona wanted to sell him.
*mata would of cost 20-25m
*and sneijder could of been apart of the ronaldo deal.
what a team we could/should of had.
(post in banter please)
24 Oct 2011 19:00:11
I won't be around for the United vs Aldershot match... Does anyone know where I could watch it when I'm home from training tomorrow night?
Percy
24 Oct 2011 18:28:34
Maybe yesterday was the best thing that has ever happened to us. Maybe it will finally make Fergie realise that we need to bring in a genuine WORLD CLASS player or 2. Maybe now, Fergie will realise the likes of Anderson, Evra and Evans don't belong in this team. People will say this was a turning point for City. Well, I disagree. I think this is a turning point for United. I think this will make us stronger in the future. It's like Boxing. Sometimes a boxer needs to get a good battering to make them a stronger and more determined fighter. Well, yesterday we got a good battering, and we will come back a better, stronger and more hardened team.
G.A.G.U.S
24 Oct 2011 18:27:35
The majority of this site all agree we need to spend this summer to improve. I would like the following to happen
Outs:
Carrick - 8 millionish
Gibson - 4 million
Anderson - 8 million
Evra - 10 million
Evans - 8 million
kuschack - 4 million
Berbatov - 10 million
Ins.
Bale - 25 - 30 million (hopefully media attention dies down)
Rodwell - 10 millionish (cover for midfield and defence.)
Izaguirre - 7 million (cover LB so Bale can play LM at times)
Martinez - 30 million + add ons (Brilliant player)
Gotze - 25 million + add ons. (brilliant partner)
Total - 50 million
....................De Gea.
Rafael....Smalling....Vidic....Bale
............Martinez...Gotze
Nani..............Rooney.........Young
..............Welbeck/Hernandez
Subs: Lindengaard, Fabio, Jones, Rio, Izaguirre, Rodwell, Fletcher, Cleverley, Pogba, Valencia, Park, Welbeck/Chicharito, Diouf, Owen, Morrison.
Now I think the first team would be brilliant. It would be the best defence in the league with players with huge potential. Bale is brilliant going forward, is strong, fast and tall and is a good tackler, all he needs now is to work on his defensive position. I rate Rafael highly and think he could be a brilliant Right back, just needs a bit more experience. Smalling and Vidic are a phenomenal partnership. Just like Rio and Vidic in the past but Smalling is better in the air.
Martinez, Gotze and Rooney would be a brilliant midfield. Martinez will do the dirty work and defend and he is brilliant at that. He is also phenomenal at passing and could be as good as Xavi. Gotze is creative and will IMO become better that Modric. And we all know how good Rooney is.
Our attack is really good, Nani and Young are brilliant players and Valencia is a brilliant sub to have. Welbeck and Cleverley will both score goals and good for different games and I think Diouf offers something different and is a good player. Owen also plays well when he is played.
So who would you like to be signed?
The Red Manc {Ed004's Note -
24 Oct 2011 18:00:24
on a serious note here , is there any chance utd fans stop being so mean and nasty to their own team , as it leaves us liverpool fans with very little to post , thank you...........lfc
24 Oct 2011 17:22:57
Sydney you have a serious pair of red tinted glasses
24 Oct 2011 17:22:10
Have to say i'm still in shock after that hopeless display yesterday.
It confirmed what most of us already thought, we need a clear out and we need to strengthen in Midfield and Left Back areas.
In my opinion players to be sold:
Evra- Have stuck up for him before but he is actually now useless and just doesn't defend.
Rio- Just past it i'm afraid, has been a good servant for the club but his time is up, his pace is gone.
Evans- Just not good enough, constantly makes mistakes and gets knocked off the ball.
Gibson- Where do you start?
Anderson- Has had his chances it's now time to cut our losses, he is lazy and overweight and never tracks back.
Fletch- Has never been good enough, a good solid squad player at best.
Giggs- Man is a legend but it's time to put him out to grass.
Park- Have always liked him and does well in big games but now feel he is past his best and just runs around a lot it seems.
Owen- What is the point of keeping him just to play him in the Carling Cup, let him finish his career playing football not just warming the bench.
If we get rid of those it will be a start, I would liked to have seen Berba and Carrick in the team yesterday, we need to use Berba more.
Welbeck is good but there are better forwards at the club than him.
A bid for Sneijder or Gotze has to be made in January and we could also do with a defensive CM, we should put in a cheeky bid for De Jong.
Red Daz.
24 Oct 2011 17:08:18
Who thinks Subotic would be a good buy? We've been linked with him today - in caughtoffside, a very unreliable source but nevertheless seems to make sense to me!
24 Oct 2011 17:05:44
Why don't Man United try and get Rafael van der Vaart. He is 28 years old, plays as an attacking midfielder. He can play the left wing as well....and scores plenty of goals. For the 2 past seasons, he played 35 times ans scored 18 league goals. I'm not sure, but I believe he wasn't included in Spur's european team selection either.
He would be a great buy, with great passing, an intelligent football brain and lots of experience. Anyone agree?
24 Oct 2011 16:50:48
Some of the reaction and comments on here by so called Manchester United fans is disgusting. How many of you actually bother to go to games or even have a true understanding of what the club stands for?
Yes yesterday was a painful experience but the scoreline did not reflect the game in my opinion. No doubt Evans deserved his sending off for a stupid tug on Ballotelli's shirt and that changed the game. And when did Ballotelli suddenly become a world class player? After one game? Please.
The reason it ended up 1-6 was that City scored 3 goals in stoppage time when United, admittingly, were naive in defending and were still trying to attack. But that is the United way and I would rather see us go for it at 1-3 than just sit back and accept defeat. That is why I support United.
So those of you that are saying ridiculous things like sack Fergie or that he is outdated and we need a fresh approach need to take a long hard look at themselves. United rose from the ashes of Munich and have built a dynasty since that will never be matched. Some fans do not know anything but winning, but being is supporter is to back the club in it's good and bad times.
I do not disagree that we need some investment in midfield in particular, but do you honestly believe Fergie has no clue as to what he is doing? Forget all this Wesley Sneijder talk. Fergie will buy players that fit into our club and more importantly want to play for us.
United til I die.
Rich The Red
24 Oct 2011 16:41:01
If we have the money, we should sign:
De Rossi/ M'vila
&
Sneijder/ Ganso
Id settle for any one of those to be honest....
UNITED_LEGENDS
24 Oct 2011 16:13:49
SAF and Phelan are always saying that they're monitoring all the talented players and we end up with Djemba-Djemba, Bebe, Obertan, Anderson, Berbatov, Owen, Kleberson and many others. We spent like every teams in Europe but the big difference is that mst of them are flops and expensive. We could have bought Silva, Ozil, Mata, Suarez... Instead of all those up there. There's never value in the market but we end up buying Bebes, klebr, djembas. And then we ran back trying to buy big players very xpensive.
24 Oct 2011 15:50:25
Dear oh dear, after one heavy defeat I'm actually stunned by the amount of 'United' fans that come crawling out of the woodwork to post utter nonsense about Fergie not being good enough and other such tripe. Maybe I'm naive...
Oh and by the way, the reason we are getting such stick from opposition fans, is because they don't often get the chance to.
Congratulations to Chicarito on his contract, fully deserved for the lad. Humble, honest and a great asset to the team.
APC
24 Oct 2011 15:18:24
the biggest problem at the moment is rooney. not his performance as he has been great but his position. as he is playing behind the striker it means there must be a another striker on the pitch and with 2 wingers it means there can only be 2 cm. when rooney was played up top or on the wings it allowed fergie to play 3 cm against the top teams which he always did. rooney needs to be pushed back up top or onto the wings and then utd can start dominating the middle of the pitch. barca chelsea arsenal madrid city all play 3 cm and thats why the they can dominate the game.
GMN
24 Oct 2011 15:12:10
well that was one long day at work, city cant fill there stadium but managed to get 60 000 fans in my office this morning.
I think yesterday has been blown a bit out of per portion
yes we got absolutely stuffed but the red card had a lot to do with the final score.
i found getting played of the park with 11 men twice by barce just as embarrassing
now city are no barce but on there day are a very good team and i'm sure some city fans would argue man for man are a better team.
but i think some of our performances in europe this year have been worse.
some of the back 4 are getting a lot of stick and i can understand why but lets reserve judgement until we have no injuries and a back 4 who have played a few games together.
at the start of season when we were playing well i never belived we were a great team and now after this result i dont believe we are a bad team.
but i think we are behind barce madrid munich and getting further.
is this fergys fault or could there be more going on behind the scenes that we dont know about personally i find it hard to believe that fergy has become a poor manager
jred
24 Oct 2011 15:04:07
I genuinely cant believe some of you are suggesting fergie should go......go give your heads a shake yeh?
Every challenge put in front of us..blackburn, newcastle, arsenal, chelsea, liverpool weve overcome.
Yes i hated yesterday as much as anyone but these results happen from time to time we got spanked 5-0 by newcastle in 95/96 who won the league?
Mavis!
24 Oct 2011 14:54:57
Just like to say all those people in the summer saying jones and young made are team better and that we didnt need a cm cos of cleverly clearly no nowt about football or are biased reds,
imo, we should have signed 2 top cm with scholes retiring, sold berbatov and got a new striker, yesterday was just a freak result they got there goal against the run of play and we had the majority of the first half, when evans, who is not good enough for united, was sent off we were all over the place at the back and they could have had 10, rio is shot as far as I'm concerned he couldnt keep up with dzeko and that guy is biz, fletcher needs 4 touches to control a ball.
Our midfield has been poor for 2 years now and fergie still hasnt addressed it, were further behind barca than last season, I personally think the glazers wont spend and the sooner there out the club the better.
I still think we will win the title as city will collapse when the cold wet nights come, and chelsea are in transition, but for me we are a poor team with the exception of a few.
P.S. Could be worse we could be liverpool down there in 6th were they will finish yet again. YAWN....
24 Oct 2011 14:50:42
Does anybody on here have any news on what happened to our interest in Dodo?
ONE UNITED
24 Oct 2011 14:27:14
I have not posted here for a very long for several reasons but I really feel I must because of these "kneejerk reaction fans". I hate to be so rude to other United fans but you really need to all shut up, stop & have a think about the crap your posting!
Yesterday we were on top, controlling possession & creating more chances than Man City for most of the 1st half. Even when they scored it was against the run of play & was caused by our own mistakes (not closing Balotelli down). We were still in it until Jonny Evans for some unknown reason did what he did (He was in front of Balotelli but just gave up & pulled him back). After that I knew it would be a hiding. If it had happening to City instead I think the same would've happened, it's a derby & that decision gave them the psychological edge & the confidence they needed whilst stripping us of ours. But don't get me wrong & it really pains me to say it, City got what they deserved & we got what we deserved.
As for all this SAF knew we needed a midfielder but did nothing about it, that is absolute nonsense & you all know it. Even SAF said it himself on several occasions. During the summer we held various talks to sign Wesley Sneijder (who plays in what position?) but it didn't happen for whatever reasons. He made an inquiry for Mesut Ozil (who plays in what position?) & I believe he looked at others too. If he indentifies players but for whatever reason he is unable to sign them, does that mean he knew but did nothing? Of course not, it means he couldn't sign the players he wanted.
SAF usually scouts players over a long period, looking at the personable attributes as well as the footballing attributes. So I ask, should he just go out & spend X amount of millions on players he's not sure about whether they'll fit in at United just so he's spent millions on a player to satisfy all the football manager know it alls out there who think they know better than someone who has won everything over a long period of time spanning several different eras in the game.
Fergie also stated he would be happy with what he had if he didn't sign anyone. Are you honestly so naive that you don't know why he did it? Imagine that in an interview he stated "My midfield is utter garbage so I need to spend millions & get rid of all the crap midfielders I have". Now just say that for whatever reason he couldn't sign the players he wanted, how would the players at the club react. Would they give their all for Fergie, would they hell! So he had to say that, as any good manager would because as we all know, football is a confidence game.
Now to address the argument that Fergie has lost touch with the modern game, is that so? This, the same Fergie who time & time again has come up with the goods whenever a new challenge has appeared & may I add, has made United an even more successful team in Europe in the last few years than ever before. That seems like a man who is still very much in touch with the modern game & player.
The man has made some mistakes, he's only human. Even geniuses make mistakes, Albert Einstein made the mistake of denying the possiblity of an expanding or contracting universe despite the fact his theories showed him as much.
It was a terrible defeat, mistakes were made & our weakness in midfield was highlighted but stop blowing it out of all proportion. We are a team in transition, the team does need strengthened but I'm absolutely positive that Fergie will, if the opportunity arises will sign the players we need to get us back to the top again. He has proven that over the last 25 years. Also bear in mind that with a weaker team last year we got to the Champions league final & won our league. Sometimes its not about the individual players but about the team that they become!
Sorry for the rant but the immatures ramblings from all the "kneejerk reaction fans" has really got on my wick.
'Spirit of 68'
24 Oct 2011 14:15:17
Its interesting to see some liverfool fans are interested in United more than their own fool team... this shows us how important our team in thier mind...
whats more interesting is that they are worried about our future...
after yesterday's result, to be honest I was not disappointed at all.. In fact I believe its an omen that we took a beating from the title challenger because I recall in 99 we did lose to chelsea 5 -0 and ended up winning the treble with a squad that was similar to the one we've got today.
maybe we didn't have Evra back then but almost the same..
ManUtd4ever
24 Oct 2011 13:44:14
It was about time we got a spanking its been coming should have lost more games really. how does welbeck get in front of little pea beats me and evans wouldnt even get into a league 2 side. well done fergie for buying us a world class midfielder thought he said that was us main consered after the champions league final defeat.
24 Oct 2011 13:36:09
It is funny to read people's reactions to yesterdays game.
Last season we were playing worse football at this stage, had the Rooney debacle to deal with, and didn't even have Cleverly, Welbeck or Jones to look too as "up-and-comers".
This "terrible" Utd squad won the league last year, and was very classy in stages in Europe.
This "terrible" Utd squad has already beaten City once this season, coming from 2 goals behind. Already beaten Chelsea and Arsenal with a bit of style.
And Rooney's form isn't that bad. He's just feeding on scraps because our midfield has temporarily lost it's mojo - TEMPORARILY.
We will see come the end of the season where we finish. And if it's 2nd behind City then we'll just have to regroup and come back stronger. Chelsea's golden era of league titles lasted just 2 consecutive seasons (I know they then won one with Ancelotti - who they sacked!!).
Utd will always be there or there abouts, even without Fergie in a few years.
Enjoy your gloating for now ABU's. But you just watch us win some silverware this season. League, Champions League, FA Cup...who cares... we will probably win something - and how many football fans around the country would give their left leg to watch their team win something in the top tier.
Some good things will happen from the 1-6.
Evans - will hopefully be dropped now.
Rio - will probably be used more sparingly and not against dynamic attacking teams.
Fergie - will adopt a new formation next time we play City. Like he has done over the past against Arsenal and Chelsea. He eventually finds a winning formula and get's us back on top.
firebear83
24 Oct 2011 13:01:55
Hernandez finally signed a new 5 year contract.... Sweeeet.... HERBIE
24 Oct 2011 12:49:09
I have noticed a lack of United fans on the Liverpool Banter page over the last 24 hours, usually its full with posts from Sydney, GAYGUS and Sir Alex x, but today and last night nothing, I was wondering if this has anything to do with the Stone Roses announcing their second coming, maybee everyone in Manchester is so excited about this news that they have no time for winding people up on their computers, but then I remembered that 1 - 6 hammering you got off the noisey neighbours and it makes more sense that there all sitting around licking wounds with their tails well and truely between their legs, you have been found out, you should have lost last week too but luckily for whiskey nose and his crazy team selection you got lucky, but this week another idiotic selection from your once great manager seen Evans in instead of Jones which really cost you, Fergie has lost his marbles, United have lost their way and your midfield has lost its......well actually your midfield doesn't exist.
Samson Rasher
24 Oct 2011 12:30:54
I've held back my negatively for long enough.
Yesterday we really found out what level we are on compared to the leagues and Europe's other giants.
chelsea should have beaten us and we've been taken apart from top to bottom by a masterclass from City.
I haven't talked about the midfield issue to a major extent but my god, we need a holding midfielder and a decent one at that.
Don't get me wrong, Fletcher, Anderson, Carrick, Park and Giggs are all good midfielders but we should be seeing someone with a bit more presence in our starting line 11. we shouldn't be sitting here saying I hope Cleverley returns and i hope somehow we play like we did for the first month of the season.
I don't think it's as simple as that.
For days, I was defending myself for saying City will win the league, well they've had their first 'are you up for it' challenge and they've passed with flying colours.
Take this as you will, but it seems that this season United won't be top dog in Manchester Let alone England.
I think we'll be fine in the long run but right now we've got our work cut out for us to retain our league, at the moment we can claw it back but if City keep impressing (as they've done so far).
Then it looks like it's the Chelsea era all over again.
The future may be bright, but the present seems a little dim.
As I mentioned earlier we need a midfielder or two, and it also seems that we've lost our discipline and become a little arrogant with the way we're playing (as if we're expecting something to happen without making it happen).
from what I've seen so far this season, City and Chelsea deserve to be champions a lot more than what we do. In fact from what i've seen even Newcastle deserve to finish above us so far.
I'm sure we'll be fine come the end of the season, but as of late i'm very dissapointed in our squad and the way we've been playing and portraying ourselves. hopefully this was a wake up call.
The Moon.
24 Oct 2011 12:26:21
From reading the posts on here from so called Manchester United fans you would think we had been relegated and would never win a game again!
Yesterday was painful, embarrassing, woeful and abjective in it's performance. Manchester
24 Oct 2011 12:20:05
When Arsenal were the 'invincibles' we shifted systems for matches with them, playing a three man midfield with the wingers tracking back. We should of done that yesterday, we wouldnt of been beaten i don't feel. Some teams you have to change for, we tried to match their system and they have players better suited to playing in that way.
24 Oct 2011 11:48:54
Can someone please tell me whats going on with Berbatov, the game yesterday was taylor-made for him, and Carrick also i might say. They both are the best in the squad for holding the ball up so why does Fergie hate Berbatov so much? Despite the fact he was our top scorer last year and played bloody well in the big games (hattrick against Pool for a start). Please, just give him a chance..
Anyone got information on this?
24 Oct 2011 11:42:06
Right, moving on. Aldershot away. Who will we play, bearing in mind we have a vital away game at Everton this weekend?
Ideally, I'd like to see a full youth team with one or two veterans. If our youth is as good as SAF and the trusting posters say, then play 'em against a team like this.
Amos; (no idea who in defence, too many injuries and players needing a rest.....Jones should def be a starter though)
Pogba, Morrison, both playng at least 40mins for me.
If we lose, sod it, we aren't even that bothered about the cup. But we need to test the youngsters and appease the likes of Pogba who might get his head turned if we keep leaving him out.
Thing have got to change, and it starts tomorrow.
RED_SKY
24 Oct 2011 11:41:36
A few seasons ago we had great flexibility, Tevez, Ronaldo, Rooney, Nani could all swap places. Scholes sat and broke forward at times and was played alongside someone like Carrick who was happy to sit and get the odd goal. Here is my proposal, get the flexibility back - with a change of formation which isn't as drastic as it sounds. JUst moving a couple of players around the pitch.
4-2-3-1, it would require two midfield signings, or maybe even one if we think Carrick is good enough to partner Cleverly to hold the ball up just for now. Even if we do think that i'd still sign Rodwell, gradually bump up his experience and get him to world class standard which he can be.
The versatile player I want however is Mario Gotze, 19 years old, runs past players, uses both feet and can play anywhere in midfield (apart from DM). He could work in tandem with Rooney, running past him or sitting just behind him while we play Rooney as the top striker. Of course you will say, some games Chicha OR Welbeck will start! Fine, two options, you play a midfield three with Carrick, Rodwell, Gotze and Nani, Rooney, Chicha up top. Or you play 4-4-2 with Gotze in a two or leave him out, or lastly you keep the formation, play Rooney in the whole, Gotze on the wing much like Silva did yesterday. Give Gotze the flexibility that Silva has and you're onto a winner.
To fix the defence I think a CB and a new LB for now would be sufficient, although in the future a right back might be needed if the Da Silva's are struggling with injuries like they are now. It may sound like i'm Dortmund happy, im not, they just have what we need. Subotic would be graet, commanding center back to play and learn from Vidic, he would eventually take over the great mans role. And, for now, I'd say one of him, Smalling or Jones should take over Rio's role whilst Rio should be moved on. He's lost it, totally, so has Evans, although he never had it in the first place.
Left back it has to be one of Alba, or Alvaro Pereira, the two best left backs in the world for me, probably would cost in the region of 15-20,000,000 but a good investmenet, you'd get many seasons out of them both.
So the team would be something like this:
De Gea, Rafael, Subotic, Vidic, Alba, Rodwell/Carrick, Cleverly, Nani, Gotze, Young, Rooney.
OR
De Gea, Fabio, Smalling, Vidic, Pereira, Rodwell, Cleverly, Nani, Rooney, Young, Hernandez/Welbeck.
As you can see, a very flexible squad, with not too many new players to upset the balance and the chemistry of the squad. What do you all think?
And btw, my first choice is Bale as a LB, but its unlikely - although SAF has big interest in him and always has.
EJ19
24 Oct 2011 11:31:19
orry but how fickle are you United fans? Fans moaning about the biggest embarrassment they’ve ever had to face, you have the worst manager who’s spending too long in the hot seat and he’ll end up like Clough. A whole list of players who now are no longer fit for purpose, the empty seats after 62 mins, the alarmingly quick disappearance of the canary yellow and green scarves, Young goes from being the transfer of the season to a chump in 90 mins, Rooney back to his South African form.
Dear, dear me. You lot have some growing up to do and a rude awakening to get used to. This is it now. This is the start of the slide. I’ve been telling you for the last couple of years.
I have to say thoroughly enjoyed the whole match and just want to make some very interesting comments. For the first time in a long, long, long time all the decisions went the way they should have done and look what happened? I’m not just talking about the major decisions but the constant amount of 50/50’s in the middle of the pitch that always went United’s way for the best part of 20 years. Yesterday this never happened and without this understated but crucial element to the game, United were dire.
Being a LFC fan I can be objective. De Gea is an awful goalkeeper, a terrible buy. Luckily for him the size of defeat masked his awful performance. Badly at fault for the 5th and 6th goals, he becomes the only keeper in the Country to be chased down when the ball goes back to him. Aguero then Dzeko did it at every opportunity regardless of the fact he had 25 yards head start.
Ashley Young is what he is. If you’ve watched football then you’ll know that when the team is on fire he’ll turn up and play. If you want him to knuckle down, work hard and feed off crumbs then you’ll be asking the question ‘where the hell is he?’ He is a poor man’s Ronaldo. Can you afford to carry him and Nani in the same team? You have Giggs well past his sell by date, Fletcher not a patch since this ‘mystery’ illness and my old mucker Anderson who yet again picked up his customary £40 fine for crapping on the grass. He was abysmal.
Then you have a captain in Evra who has decided to turn into a renegade full back doing what he wants to do, when he wants to do it and to hell with the team. What he thought he was doing second half playing left side of midfield and making little to no effort to get back behind the ball is beyond me. In fact for the 5th goal the nearest defender to Silva was Welbeck chasing back.
Rooney showed the attitude from last year as soon as he was asked to drop back and you got nothing whatsoever out of him in that position and I wonder if he thinks ‘why should it be me always playing out of position at the first sign of any trouble?’ He has a point.
And finally on to my favourite defensive partnership of Evans and Ferdinand. How fergie sees that as the partnership to stop the runs of Aguero and Silva is beyond me. Ferdinand seriously cannot get out of a jog and for the past 4 years the best centre half in the World has hidden that fact from many. Was Vidic injured to not even be on the bench?
Combine a poor Ferdinand with the erratic Evans and it is a recipe for disaster. Then combine Anderson coached with the role of shutting down Silva, combined with Nani and Young being asked serious questions by two excellent full backs, combined with the wrong striking partnership and yesterday has always been waiting to happen.
And try not to deflect your Armageddon away by looking on the woes of LFC. I am pragmatic enough to realise we are still miles away from the top. The issue is it appears you are as well but you lot just won’t accept it. Looks like THFC, LFC, CFC and MUFC, AFC are all fighting for those three CL spots left.
Get used to it for I have a feeling it’s all downhill from here and it’s quite a drop for 90% of your fans who won’t remember Dennis Law’s backheel. I shall enjoy your journey with relish.
Sir Bob the Red
24 Oct 2011 11:30:28
Gooooooood Mornnnnnningggg Uuuuuunnnniitedddd !
This is your friendly DJ The Real KB coming through loud and clear from Radio 616 on the Mersey Delta.
Weather this morning in Salford City is low low cloud and rain, this afternoon rain, tonight rain, boy it's rainy.
We got a traffic update from the Mancunian Way from our eye in the sky reporter Penny Lane.
How's it going there Penny ?
There's real bad traffic backed all the way into Trafford. Maybe 70,000 cars stuck fast, been like that since around 4pm yesterday afternoon, they're just not moving, all trying to head south.
Thanks Penny, avoid that one folks if you can.
In the news, King Kenny I of Scotland has offered emergency aid to the beleaguered people of Manchester after a seismic earthquake at the weekend. Geologists say the quake was caused by the impact of half a million jaws dropping to the floor at the same time. King Kenny is to fly out ten planes worth of Alan Hansen's new DVD "Shocking Defending" to keep the people amused whilst the army tries to get to grips with the disaster.
But it's music time folks. Its 10.54am on Monday, start of a new week. We got a dedication to the guys - Stevie, Jamie, Charlie, Glen - of A Company currently on a training exercise in the highlands of Melwood. This one's by the Godfather of Soul himself, the one and only James Brown.
Yessirr, it's "I Feel Good".
Wowwww, hit it James....
The Real KB
24 Oct 2011 11:28:32
some right awful comments on here. Sack the manager? And some person wants mclaren in? The same bloke who just got fired by second division forest for not being up for it.
Do need changes though. Evra and rio
both need to go. We have four centre backs don't need another one. Do need at least one left back. Also the twins need to get fit and stay fit
i'd monitor them over the season and carrick, fletcher and anderson and if by end of season get rid. Use the youth let them show what they got. Get rid of berb.
24 Oct 2011 11:08:34
Can't wait to get cleverly back and hopefully Fletcher will never start again. Fletcher embarrassing and I'm sick of people saying he's world class he was made to look like a Sunday league player yesterday. Keane, robbo, ince, butt, scholes, becks would never have let that happen to them because they were class and hard. And evra for me was a disgrace yesterday walking round not a care in the world leaving his position wide open, and he's r captain. We need midfielders Anderson again 5 great games but now seems to be dropping in standards like he always does. Come on fergie get some players surely u can see were not gonna do much this year with what we've got. One more question why was jones dropped yesterday and we played Evans who for me is horrendous for ball watching and getting caught on the wrong side every week, good players have sussed him out.
Neil the red. Manchester
24 Oct 2011 11:04:35
After yesterday i just thought i would give my take on things. First of all its only 1 game and its october! First half utd did ok, had the better possession and looked dangerous. Evans sending off killed the game. On the performance side of things Anderson for me will never be a Utd player. He's been there long enough now to step up to the plate and earn his place. His passing yesterday was rubbish and he looks at least a stone over weight. I've listened to others on here who suggest he'll be a world beater and simply dont see it. Those who question Carricks ability for me are wrong, he keeps the ball, certainly better than Anderson yesterday, gets in the right place to defend, and looks fit! for me the most alarming thing is the complete loss of form of Evra. He has been a shadow of himself for 1 year now and although we need a midfielder my priority would be left back. His positioning is ridiculous, city went down his side for almost every goal. Even when Fletcher was at right back they still attacked down Evras side. Welbeck lost the ball for the 5th goal and ran past Evra to try and get back even though he was 30 yards further up the pitch. He lacks the desire to play for Utd now and its time to go. If he worked as hard on the pitch as he does giving his opinion on everything and everyone he would be better served. All in all if city finish above Utd then they will win the league, but i wouldn't bet on it. Rant over!
24 Oct 2011 10:57:27
There are some serious questions that need answering from yesterdays performance and the biggest question of all is why the hell is evra captain and why is he still playing!
Yesterday ( think it was the 3rd goal ) Danny Welbeck was busting a gut to get back whilst the captain and leader of the team was no where to be seen , even though it was down his side .
Evra needs to be removed from the team as this has been going on for the last 18 months.
The midfield is a crisis area but left back needs addressing urgently too!
CRAIGY!
24 Oct 2011 10:36:57
Well guys that hurt yesterday. Seems a long time since the Charity Shield, Arsenal and Bolton. The mauling we got has been on the cards for weeks and be interesting to see how we come back from it.
We now lack strength in depth, sorry but Ferdinand, Evra and Vidic seem to a shadow of the players they were and we need to look to start injecting some pace back into the team. I don't understand why he didn't start with Jones and Smalling at centre half, would given us much more pace and mobility .
Midfield - desperately need 2 class central players. Toure ran the show yesterday and we had nothing in return. Sorry, but Anderson has had enough chances and we have to find someone better . Fletcher's battery seems to be half of what it was 2 years ago .
Looking forward to seeing how Fergie responds to this. One thing is for sure, we need to spend the money that we should have spent last summer . Citys bench was made up of players that would fit into our first team and the gap is widening , solely because of their ability to spend.
Next few weeks will be interesting
24 Oct 2011 10:34:07
This is when it sets in and really starts to hurt. at uni and getting ribbed about that dismal performance yesterday. Proper gutted! Can't believe what happened yesterday, not many teams can lose at home 6-1, maybe we should of played pogba and morrison in the middle, they might have had a bit more desire and skill than anderson and fletch(Good goal though, but when he scored it should of been 1-1 and us going for the win.)
Some people on here thought yesterday I was calling for sir Alex to be sacked, but i meant nothing of the sort, I just think every dog has his day and sadly it is sir Alex's. I know everyone thinking what will we do after him, but any good manager would love to inherit that team. we all seen Brian Clough, probably the finest english manager ever (Apart from Bobby Robson) and sadly he held on too long, so the last memory everybody had of him was relegation (Not saying thats going to happen to us), which is not fair to such a character. I sadly think its time for Fergusan to take a back seat and get a board of directors job, i would rather see him go out in blaze of glory, than leave with nothing. I had an incline that last year could of been the year, but Barcelona stole his final champs league. I love Fergy and i am sure all use do, but we all know it maybe time, and im sure if you all are honest you would agree with this. The man is a living legend and he has created the foundations of another great, young Manchester United team. Fergy can't excuse his selection policy for the last couple of seasons and its not just the last few games, its been a while.
West brom last year when we had 4 centre midfields on across the park, the couple of champions league finals we lost, where through wrong players on the pitch. o'shea, carrick, giggs, even evra, all these are not going to win against Barcelona considering the pace and skill of the opposing team. And who actually thinks a draw is a good result against Liverpool, when you consider we could of thrashed them with a stronger team. Please inform me, when did Manchester United settle with a draw against anybody. Our succes is based on our winning mentality, not our drawing mentality. I can't believe some of you's where happy with a draw, when if you watched the game we had the talent to win on the bench.
If the fans are able to see that some of the players in the squad are not good another, how come the professionals can't. it must be so frustrating for rooney when hes got all that skill and energy and hes got the likes of evans, anderson not putting the effort or desire into their game. We all know if the fans where the manager players like evans, anderson, carrick wouldn't be at the club and whats a matter with Berbatov, you sell him or you play him, if not don't waste a subs position on him, give it to a young player.
I have always admire Fergusan, but we all know it doesn't last forever and sadly his time has come. We all knew this was coming except Fergusan.
And City think they have won it already, well guess what guys, take it from a team that has won many championships, its easy to get points on the board at the start of the season, it becomes difficult at the end when the pressures on, see you in May.
Once a Red, always a red no matter what the times are like.
aaallj5
24 Oct 2011 10:29:20
nobody want to say how s**te yesterday was? the fact rio, evra and jonny evans are useless?
ash young can you hide anymore??
fergie gd luck sorting this out but of course u no best right? pfffft
MWS
24 Oct 2011 10:17:48
Transfers i would like to see in WINTER/SUMMER windows:
(Financial implications also considered)
1. Shinji Kagawa / Nicolas Gaitan ( can play wings and CM and looks similar to what Ronaldo wad at Lisbon )
(Ozil if all that crap about him wanting to leave Madrid is true)
2. Yann M'Vila / Javi Martinez
3. Gary Cahill / Christopher Samba
( I would have chosen Thiago Silva or Giorgio Chiellini but i cant see them leaving their respective clubs )
- Carrick can be decent if we play a 5 man midfield with Rooney up top (we would need to play that formation in some european games)
- Berbatov is a 50-50, cant see why SAF isnt playin him in games tailor made for him.
- Diouf i think deserves more chances.
- Would like to see Evra and Fabio alternating with Evans and Fryers as back-ups for LB
- Please some more exposure to Pogba and Morrison
Outs:
1. Anderson (dont want a player who cant play well on his own and gives only 1 % effort in each game )
2. Macheda
3. Rio
(sell Rio to spurs before even Redknapp starts hating him)
4. Owen
5. Kuszczak
6. Gibson
MUMBAI_BOY
24 Oct 2011 10:17:00
do you think one good thing could come from yesterday and that being the relsation we need some bite and creativity to the cm and that the penny might finally drop
24 Oct 2011 10:14:59
I was one to say we had a good enough squad at the start of the season Jesus what a wake up call he needs to spend in january,don't slate me lads it's just an opinion but do would ya still use Ferdinand and vidic as first choice cb? I no vidic wasn't playin yesterday but when he does lately looks average,ad for evra??don't even get get me started on the other tool,guess who I'm talkin bout?and does anyone one else think city could walk this league?
Bernard
24 Oct 2011 09:50:11
Man City fans have not seen a win like this since they were Chelsea fans.
24 Oct 2011 09:32:43
To all of you who said we didn't need a player like WS I hope you are all happy with our team now. We were outplayed in every position on the field and im gutted to say we are now well behind city in terms of quality. They could have changed every player and still beaten us. That result did not just happen yesterday, it has been coming due to our lack of action in the last 3 transfer windows. Shame on you sir Alex. You are arrogant to the point of foolish banging on about no value in the market. There is no value for anybody but they still buy, this isn't the weekly shopping we are talking about. Is there anyway we can make him see how bad our CM is. Disgraceful day for our great club. The managers position has to be under scrutiny this morning, the buck stops with him.
24 Oct 2011 09:29:46
Does anyone know how Rhian Davies is progressing?The Aussie lad brought over.
24 Oct 2011 08:46:23
the first 5 - 10 mins i thought we looked good especially any time the ball was given out to young on the wing......but then everything went down hill and city comfortablly dominated the rest of the match.....
silva was the difference in yesterdays match, the guy simply oozes class and the united midfield/defence didnt know how to handle him...i would honestly rate him as the 3rd best player in the world atm just behind messi and ronaldo, he really is that good and i cant believe we let city get him!!
Fergie MUST get the chequebook out in january, its blatantly obvious that the midfield needs sorted out and since he never bothered his arse in the summer to sort it out when he had the chance too.....i say to hell with everything else, just go out sign sneijder or goetze and sum1 such as mvilla for holding midfielder keep young and nani on the flanks and have rooney and chico up front......anderson just aint good enough and he never is going to step it up to the level that we need (disappointed as i expected special things from him after his spell at porto before us) and the rest of the team for that matter weren't fit to wear our shirt yesterday either......such a poor performance!
Such a gloomy monday morning now it has to be said, but seriously hats off to city for doing what they have done as its one hell of an achievement to never mind beating us, but completely humiliating us!!
Raging haha...all we can do is "believe" like the rest of the summer "believers" that thought we would go all out and sign all these world class players blah blah blah.....i think its time we all woke up and smelt the coffee......the glazers are to blame for us not going out and spending simple as!! time to get the green and gold army out again if nothing is done in the next transfer window.........................
Robbo
24 Oct 2011 07:40:13
Well hopefully we have all got over yesterdays major hangover and hopefully Fergie now realises our centre midfield just aint good enough.... I wanna see the chequebook open in January but I just car'nt see that happening, hope I'm wrong.... HERBIE
24 Oct 2011 07:38:45
Waking up this morning it hurts obviously
But the score wasn't a true reflection on
The game. We were still in it till the sending off. Remember saying similar things this time last year about our sqaud? and we ended the season as league champs and in a champs league final. Although I am worried about our midfield same as the rest of u but I'm far from at the point of questioning saf, a true utd fan shud know by now that we have the staying power to win the league and the manager to do it.
Redrum182
24 Oct 2011 07:31:21
This defeat was coming. Our defensive frailty has been there all season and City simply didnt respect our ability to defend. If other teams came full ahead at us (and now they will) prepared top attack we will ship even more goals than those to date. Our midfield has lacked consistency and control for a long time and with no settled back four, what else can we expect. IMO Phil Jones in time could be a holding midfielder but the rest of our midfield come up short of top class again and again. Glaziers take note, we need investment there.
24 Oct 2011 07:26:33
6 REASONS TO BE HAPPY THIS MORNING
easy easy man united that's all i heard yesterday
championship clubs could have played better
24 Oct 2011 07:21:24
Still cannot believe yesterday we were sadly lacking in centre mid if nay we had brought silvan5 years ago when fervid was looking at him!! We need a creative centre mid now any ideas who?
24 Oct 2011 06:36:28
Best team in the league?
Second best team in the world?
You're not even the best team in Manchester.
Peeps
24 Oct 2011 02:48:41
The game has gone forward but has fergie?
He sticks with ordinry players who are club men who don't rock the boat
Worst day in years all cos fergie totally over confident in ordinry players who are not fit to wear the shirt
24 Oct 2011 01:33:38
Lads I think fergie is struggling to pick out his best team!I dnt know why he puts faith in welbeck b4 Chico!when you have players that gel together well like Rooney and Chico do,then you stick with them!it's the same with central midfielders,but unfortunately we don't have a good combination in there,with the players he's got!our engine seems to be broken down!were not gelling together well!when we gel with good combinations it brings good familiarity and when that happens it creates confidence in each other!the team is bein changed around far too much!I would even go as far and say the team fergie put out v Liverpool actualy shocked the players and has put them out of sorts!I noticed our play even wen we had most of the pocession in the the first 20mins there was no zip or sharpness to our play!we actualy looked rusty!then bang a goal down,and wat happens,the heads go down!they never looked confident enough after that to go on and win the game!I cud see even then that we cud get a thrashing here!even tho the sending off made a big difference,we could get organised at the back.at that stage fergie made a few bogy decisions!all I would of done there was take Anderson off put jones on,straight swap for Evans,put Chico on for welbeck,keep nani at least we would of had a solid bk four and we would of being able to stretch city on the counter.
I even think some of the players are looking over there
shoulders at the other top teams in the premiership and
thinkin we haven't enough and maybe there actualy wondering why utd didn't buy one or two midfielders in the
summer!we are man utd,we have to compare our midfield to the top four in premiership and the best in Europe and in my opinion I sadly have to say we have the weakest bunch of central mids...fletcher,Anderson,cleverly,carrick,
And Gibson,would ja give us a f***in break glazer's.I'm sorry but they don't fill me full of confidence what so ever!none of them would get there game for Chelsea,arsenal or city wat so ever,never mind real Madrid or barcelona!it is absolutely disgracefull,shocking and down right suicidal that we didn't find and purchase two decent central midfielders....it's a shambles at the moment,and only fergie can get us straightened out...we have to count ourselves lucky we have him but a manager can only do so much with the players he's got........
Super red
24 Oct 2011 01:15:38
And so the dust settles and the knee jerk reactions have died down, so what do we do? We need to get owners that will match City financially for a start, football is a money game now, theres no loyalty, its all about wages and transfer fees and anyone who says otherwise is deluded. If Ferguson refuses to admit that our midfield is in dire need of a shake up then he seriously needs to resign because we can all see that Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick are not good enough so that means we definitely need at least 3 world class signings no matter how much it costs, if the Glazers wont spend then we need to get them out of the club before they rot our club beyond repair, if its a case of the Glazers willing to spend and Fergie comes out again and says theres no value in the market then, as much as it pains me to say it, he needs to either resign or move upstairs, I know Im gonna be slated for saying that but the fact is that nobody is bigger than the club and we cannot allow City to get away from us, we have won more league trophies than anyone else in history and Alex deserves all the credit he gets but you have to be honest and say that Sneijder should have been signed, it was sticking out much in the same way that Cantona and Keane were made to be United players, forget about his wage demands, they were on a par with what the City players are on and who can blame them for getting as much as they can? It obviously hasnt harmed their motivation - they just beat the most successful team in english football history 6-1 in their own backyard, thats as big a result as any in european football, even barcelona couldnt beat us by a scoreline like that and they also played us off the park. As much as I'd hate to see Sir Alex leave I think its time he spent the money on the improvements needed and keep us at the top of world football, otherwise the final years of his legacy will be in ruins.
RED