Manchester United Banter Archive September 24 2014

24 Sep 2014 22:45:00
if we were to sign just one 'GET-ABLE' player in january who would you all go for ?

a cb is obviously needed but there's no way hummels will join us in january if at all.

what about ashley williams for a short term fix ? or west hams reid ? or even vlaar ?

all would be attainable in january i think

25 Sep 2014 00:02:11
Williams and Vlaar are important players for their clubs and would cost a fair bit to get the clubs to sell. Additional to that they are simply not good enough, although on par with our current set we should be still going for the much higher quality players around Europe.

Plus why on earth did you just mention Reid? He is an awful defender and would be more of a downgrade, would rather play Fellaini at the back before signing him.

Weggy, both vlaar and Williams are streets ahead of smalling and Evans and are less injury prone.
Personally, I've always wanted vlaar and Miranda.

25 Sep 2014 08:40:32
We need to sign the right players or none at all. There is no point spending good money on players no better than what we have currently. I would rather play Blackett over all the players you mentioned. He has potential, is home grown and is around their level atm but has a much higher ceiling then they do.

We are walking the FFP tight rope atm and we can sign new players but we also need to off load players and bring the wage bill down. So spending money on players who aren't going to be first choice for the majority of their contract is stupid.

We are having an injury crisis atm but these things happen, when everyone is fit we will have Evans, Jones, Smalling, Rojo, Blackett, Blind and Carrick who can all play at CB, we don't need another stop gap player but a true world class player to lead them and bring them together as a unit.

But is a truly worldclass player going to come in January and like nomidfield said all ours are injury prone so i would say they are better then the ones we have

25 Sep 2014 09:17:14
Shappy,

The problem is, how many 'injury crisis' are we going to have before we accept the centre halves we have are just injury prone?

25 Sep 2014 09:31:02
They are injury prone, but we have a large enough number of CBs at the club atm. Imo we need to move on Smalling and Evans and bring in two top quality CBs then have Jones, Blackett and Rojo battle it out with them.

My issue is none of Williams, Vlaar or Ried are top quality so we would just be replacing a player who isn't good enough with another player who isn't good enough. And it would eat into our budget to boot. There is just no upside to doing it.

I understand what you're saying shappy but who do you think personally is available in January who will come ?

Also hearing smalling is injured now as well ! we just need somebody solid and experienced just to get by or we can forget the top 4 this year. plus i think we will sign a top class cb next summer

25 Sep 2014 12:10:45
I think your over reacting, is Smalling Jones and Evans out injured until the end of the season? They will be fit by january. So why waste money on players who may not be needed by the time we sign them.

Atm we have Rojo, Blind and Fellaini who can play at CB and they will have to do until we get a couple of players back from injury/suspension.

So you wouldn't move for any cb in January ? I think that's a massive gamble

25 Sep 2014 13:17:55
I never said that, I would only sign a top quality CB if one was available, if not then I would wait until the summer when one will be available.

We are in a mess atm precisely because we have signed too many players who just aren't good enough.

Signing more won't help.

I'd have Shawcross over everyone mentioned

We need somebody comfortable on the ball as part of their skillset, for that reason Shawcross isn't likely for me.

I think the Kagawa deal was very convenient for us when it comes to Hummels - there has got to be some sort of preferential treatment aspect, foundations surely will have been put in place.

25 Sep 2014 18:20:50
Regardless of which CB to buy we really should bring back Michael Keane as he's a strong, tough lad who has more experience than Blackett. If only he didn't go out on loan I reckon he could have had a chance to fill in and show everyone how quickly he could slot into the first team.

Shappy

Those centre backs are questionable in terms of are the even good enough and add to that their injury history, they are not people you build teams around so have to disagree and think we will struggle as long as we hang to these guys thinking they will come good. 2 in and 2 out from Jones, Smalling, Evans and keep the younger guys and see if they can push for a place in the squad.

Also helps the wage bill.

I would keep jones

24 Sep 2014 18:38:52
We seem to have Rojo, Shaw and Blind all capable of playing LB bht only Rafael can be categorized as a first team RB.


Can we do something like what Mourinho did with Azpilicueta now and Ferreira earlier? Playing them as right footed left backs.

I know Rojo can play LCB but we have Blackett in that position and since he has been decent there I'd prefer that when fit we play Jones and Blackett as CB(obviously until we sign a CB)


Ed/Guys do you think Rojo or Shaw are capable of playing as a left footed right back?

What did Rafael do so bad that we should start rojo out of position he is a cb playing at lb. let's not get carried away with Blackett has impressed to a point but he was part of the team that shipped five at a newly promoted team, seems people have to blame someone and this game is Rafael. The person to blame is LVG for not signing a centre back

That's a silly comment as you clearly just stated rojo being played out of position as he is a centre back but then go on to blame LVG as he didn't sign a centre back, rojo is the centre back not lvg fault all our other defenders got injured, shaw, smalling, jones and evens Rafael as well haha our defence is made of glass

Cumbian if you read my post correctly I have not mentioned anything regarding Rafa's performance against Leicester.

Me suggesting that we try out Rojo/Shaw at RB is due to the below reasons:

1. Rafa is injury prone
2. Rafa is rash and has cost us games in the past. I think he gets "fooled" into tackling/reacting by opposition players
3. It seems you are probably happy having Valencia/Young as back RBs. I most certainly am not.

I would be happy if Janko is given a chance but I don't think there is any harm trying out a left footed RB as a backup to Rafa. Certainly would'nt be worse than playing Valencia/Young in that position.

It was a silly post your right, badly worded should of said experienced cb, none of our cbs are leaders and need a player like that beside then.

Mumbai agree that Valencia and young are not good enough as rb, barely good enough on the wings. I would like to see a youngster given a chance as cover rather than playing players out of position. Wish we'd kept vidic for one more season to supply the experience

Rafael was hard done by by the ref at the weekend. No defender is going to get praise when the team concedes 5 but for me the others made more individual errors than Rafael did.

24 Sep 2014 12:41:00
So the rebuild is half done, and we will continue to see more players join in January and next summer.

I'm interested to know how many more players do people think we need and in what positions?

Personally I think we need two centre backs, a right back, a defensive midfielder and a versitle winger.

I'd like to see Hummels, Schar, Carvalho and Konoplyanka. I'm not sure who would be best for right back atm.

LVG sees Januzaj as a #10 and even Januzaj fancies that position for his future. Its already congested as of now. Januzaj will be getting more game time as a winger in a 4-3-3 according to LVG. Now, why would we want another winger as we have Di Maria and Januzaj to fill in there. I can't fathom any more suffocation for space for that boy.
One CB, RB and CM would do it for me to get the balance right. Rafael is such a liability and has cost us games even though he is pretty good going forward. I can't see it changing considering the fact Clattenberg bought into the dive for that penalty.

If Januzaj is good enough he will play regardless of who comes in. We can't just have two top class wide forwards in the squad, what happens when one is injured? Revert back to Young and Valencia? I hardly think that is a terrifying duo.

We need someone like Hummels who will bring some calmness and authority into the back line. A powerful midfielder like Strootman is a must as well. Not sure we need two centre half's, but that may be that I am being sentimental and wanting Jones, Smalling and Blackett to succeed. We also need someone like Reus.

24 Sep 2014 13:46:48
I can see Rafael, young and one of Evans or smalling leaving come summer and maybe a surprise, one of Mata, Rooney or van persie depending if we sign falcao.

I'm not sure what rightbacks are around, it might have to be a short-term fix and see if janko can step up.

If we were to sign a winger i'd like to see depay.

Centrebacks depends what's available and who leaves.

24 Sep 2014 14:35:05
Shappy i don't think we can get hummels and schar both as Ed002 has mentioned that hummels will only leave if dortmund gets replacement and schar is on their list. As regards to carvalho we had opportunity to sign him in last window, but we optd not to and i think Lvg doesn't rate him.

Well we have brought in 6 first team players, i would say another cm a cb and maybe a rb and we could push for top 4 this season.
So just 9 first team players needed to improve on last seasons 7th

If he is going with 4-3-3 then over the next two windows I think we will see another wide forward (Reus/Pedro/Draxler/Ronaldo) so we have Janujaz, Di Maria plus one to compete. Young will probably stay as he is versatile. I can see Rooney dropping deeper if we stay with this formation although I don't think this is a wise move.

Mata & RVP I expect to be moved on at some point as we simply won't need them for the formation with Rooney, Falcao & Wilson competing for the striker role and no need for a Mata type player with this formation - just too slow over the ground and too good for the bench or for when we occasionally switch formation.

2 experienced CB's are essential as we can't compete at the top level with Jones, Smalling or Evans as CB's as it currently stands. They can be good, but not good enough to be first choice for a title winning team yet, they have to impress this season. Rojo may be good enough so only one is acquired, but they all have this season only to impress if you ask me.

I think Rafael will stay first choice RB with plenty of cover options already in the squad. If he continues to miss a lot of games through injury then a summer RB will be acquired and Rafael moved on.

Strootman will also come in imo. Replacing Carrick and competing with Blind (who can cover everywhere).

There are a lot of players playing for their future obviously, so it is too soon to know exactly who is going to cut the mustard. But with some of LVG's decisions already nothing would surprise me.

1 CB, 1 CM, 1 Winger. Definitely need to be signed if we go 4-3-3.

24 Sep 2014 15:16:06
Two centre halves another centre mid a right back & we'll be sorted.I personally would get rid of Evans,Smalling,Young,Valencia,Fellaini

Is it just me who doesn't get this Januzaj argument? Would you not sign Messi because Januzaj might get less games? I just don't get it.

24 Sep 2014 16:01:59
My guesses for the next 2 windows are for departures, Nani, Hernandez, Cleverley and Zaha to complete loan moves permanently. I can see Lindegaard, Rafael, Smalling, Young, Valencia, Fellaini, Mata and RVP or Rooney going. Coming in I see Coleman at RB, Hummels at CB, Strootman for CM, Depay for the wide positions and Falcao completing his permanent move if he is a success in the PL. I think our first 11 and cover players may be something like this

http://www.manchesterunitedrumours.co.uk/formations/Brendan81.php

I'd be happy with just one quality CB in january tbh

Fresh
Well that depends
Are we signing messi? Or ronaldo?
If yes then why would januzaj want to stay? I think he feels he's ready. Except for the formation, the manager feels he is ready. How will he prove he's good enough if he comes on for the last 10-20 min?
What might happen is he might leave, go to a club he'll start at and then go in a direction depending upon how good he is.
Mind you, I'm not saying we should not buy another winger but rather that buying a superstar will impede adnan's progress. Why do you think so few of madrid's players are from the academy?

24 Sep 2014 16:08:48
Fresh, when you have a young lad with the ability that Januzaj has, you have to give him some room to play and develop further, to reach his potential. Without first team football, his growth as a player will suffer and we won't see the best of him. Why buy extra players, when we have a lad who could be very special already at the club? I think buying someone like Depay and letting forward players Nani, Valencia, Young and RVP or Rooney go, would leave us with good cover but still giving Januzaj plenty of games on the right or left and at the tip of the midfield 3. Wilson would also get chances up top, as would Lingard and Pereira, plus a few extra promising youngsters in various positions, if the likes of Rafael, Smalling and Fellaini were sold.

Fresh
We should maybe just get rid of the academy and buy established stars.
What if instead of giving the class of 92 a chance fergy had went out and spent big on 4/5 star players

Ultimately, I wouldn't turn say Reus down just because Januzaj has to compete with him.

Fresh
Then maybe the media are right and we are starting to lose the traditions of the club

So what happens when one of Di Maria or Januzaj gets injured? Would you be delighted to see Valencia line up in their place or Reus?

Rues ain't going to come and sit on the bench incase of injuries

Fresh
valencia is a squad player every team needs them . If valencia sits on the bench this season and and only starts due to injuries i will be quite happy.
if we signed reus in january and adan left becsuse he couldn't get a game would yo be delighted.
do you want our best young players to be given a chance in the first team to prove themselves or would u rather we just bought the latest superstar ?

If a suitor comes in for Janujaz at £20mil I think LVG would sell him, I get the impression he isn't the type of wide player he likes and with 4-3-3 he is not going to play in the hole.

I would like Janujaz to be given a run of games, it feels like an age since he has done much for the first team - he always seems peeved as well which makes me think he would jump at a move away, frustrating if it happens.

25 Sep 2014 16:46:30
Don't know who Janujaz is Beast, but I imagine Januzaj is rated a lot lot higher than £20 million by everybody at the club.