Manchester United Banter Archive April 25 2014

25 Apr 2014 21:48:58
Good luck to Ryan Giggs. A true legend and great player, hope the years with sir Alex has rubbed off and he can end the season on a high.

25 Apr 2014 20:03:38
ED 2 questions:

1. With Moyes gone do you think Vermijl, Zaha can hope to be part of the team next year?

2. If we play well in the last 4 games and produce good results while playing well do you think Giggs will be considered for the full time role?

{Ed004's Note - Hopefully if vermjl is good enough he will provide cover for Rafael so we don't have to sign a rb and I don't think Zaha is good enough or has the right attitude so could be on his way out. Lastly on Giggs nope he won't be considered}

Hopefully whoever comes in is made aware United want Giggs and maybe others in some coaching role

Zaha and Vermij not being in the team is not and nerve was a oyes thing. It is called not good enough and better already in the squad.

I think many here suffer from blaming moyes for everything and will be unpleasantly surprised by how brutal the next manager might be.

Cardif does not have a single good winger and scholar is an atack minded coach and he is still sitting on the bench there, if that does not give you guys a clue I am not sure what else does.

Damn autospell LOL:)

Meant to say never a Moyes thing.

Hopefully whoever comes in is allowed to choose their own coaching staff and given the money and time to do their job without interference

25 Apr 2014 19:34:14
If Klopp is available(MAKE HIM AN OFFER HE CAN'T REFUSE) and give him 6 years, even more! Someone with experience to bring the stability and amazing football style with Youth development.
Things are pointing at Van Gaal. I think 3 years(extension depending on performance) contract would be enough seeing that he is already 62 and he will bring that stability and lay the foundation. Obvious plus point is his total football style and his experience. Good mentor for Giggs and Scholes. He is a slow starter and he will impose his footballing style.
He said he normally keeps an assistant from previous management which is good and I think it should be Giggsy and Scholesy. Any Big Club will try anything to retain their legends specially likes of Scholes and Giggs.

As far I am concern, having Giggs and Scholes as assistant is as important as having a new manager.

Another thing that annoys me is people saying we should sign atleast 4 or 5 players. I for one only want 3 signing of 2 Solid CM and LB.

Manchester United first team would be without a single youth product from our academy. That would be really annoying. We need at the least Evans and Januzaj in our first team. Ideally 3 players in our first team should be from our youth product. Our core problem has been our CM since Keane and Scholes have left. A strong CM partnership creates and overall better team. Look at Arsenal, they downfall was because of their weakened CMs. Look at Liverpool, that annoying Gerrard has been their strength in attack and defence. Yaya and Fernandinho is stability and strength of City.
My ideal CM partnership would be Vidal and Fabregas, or Carvallo and Kroos.

Only thing is world cup finishes on 13th and our first pre season game is on 23rd. So does Van Gaal have enough time to get the transfers in more importantly off load the dead woods.

If we only get 3 new players and get rid of the deadwood we're going to have a small squad.

We have many players who deserve chance in likes of M Keane, Powell, Henriquez, Lindgard, Vermijl and Zaha. And I am sure some of people here will add even more youth likes of Wilson.

Red Samurai, your on a different planet if you think signing 2 CM and a LB will be enough to challenge for league and Europe. Our defence has been sjambok if this season. With Vidic and Rio gone we most defiantly need a CB, and a top class one at that to play along side Evans/Jones/Smalling, all 3 of whom are dodgy to say the least.

As for players from our youth system, if they aren't good enough they aren't good enough simple as that. You also realise Adnan has only been here 2 years, we signed him in 2011 from Anderlecht, he's hardly a product of our academy. Cleverly and welbeck are and look where that's got us,

As for zaha he isn't and will never been united standard! Stop living in the past as most do! We produced the class of 92, it was a one off and we won't see that number of players going on to success the same again. Never

25 Apr 2014 18:54:08
By the looks of it with every manager ruling himself out, I think LVG is the only candidate.

Conte

He will never come. Juve, champions of Italy, Champions league and probably a big summer of Pogba out and retooling what are the issuing pieces to make the old lady a genuine contender in Europe.

I think we will have an issue if LVG comes in after the world cup and might be in for another bad start next year.

I just hope people don't think giggs is even remotely ready. Our last few games with the exception of southampton are some of the easiest games and are not an indication of anything. Nothing to play for but to make money on some juicy bets.

Never say never GCU, I would be more inclined to believe a very clued up ed on this site.

I wouldn't put it past the glazers to see it as another cheap option gamble if it saves them money and they think they can get away with it!

Herbie

I i'd not dispute what Ed02 said as Conte being a target. I said he will not come.

I'd like to see Hiddink or De Boer

Sorry I put my reply under the wrong post I was replying to having Giggs as long term manager. That's the problem with accessing the site via I phone missing letters and words out and scrolling down etc its hard work . Nevermind. Anyway I think Van Gaal may well be the only option in the end!

25 Apr 2014 17:42:38
RIP to Tito Vilanova. a great manager who should have had many more coaching years ahead of him!

25 Apr 2014 17:25:32
Very sad news RIP Tito.

Sad news indeed, so young, puts our issues in perspective. RIP Tito

Very sad indeed and quite upsetting.

Yes very sad, 45 is no age at all

RIP Tito

25 Apr 2014 13:28:16
So here we are guesstamation time again. If van Gaal is to become manager then how do people see things panning out?

Tactically its fascinating, he always plays attacking football and he likes to play with pace in the forward positions. It's also important for him to have players who can adapt to different situations during games. Personally I think formation wise he would look to play something that morphs between 4213 and 433 which seems to be his formation of choice.

The reason I feel he'll look to play with 3 up front is to add pace to our attack, neither Rooney nor RvP have pace to burn, so his attacking approach will require at least one player with pace who can run in behind thus forcing the opposition to sit deeper giving his team the space in the final third to impose themselves on the opposition.

So how does this effect the playing staff at our club? Well first and formost I think he will only play one of Rooney or RvP as a striker. Now personally I think he will go with RvP not because he's Dutch but because he keeps his position better thus making it easier to maintain the team shape and tactics and because he has better technique which is very important to van Gaal.

I think he will also prefer to play Mata in the No.10 role for similar reasons. The defence needs rebuilding regardless so I would expect to see at least a CB and a LB to come in regardless. Garay and Shaw look like the options the club want and I fully expect to see them come in. The RB spot is the interesting one, I think if Moyes was still in charge then a new RB would have been signed but with a new manager I think Rafael could get a stay of execution as the club need to spend money elsewhere. So I would expect to see us line up with Rafael, Jones, Garay and Shaw as our starting back line next season and that would be the same no matter who comes in as manager.

The midfield is where things get interesting, William Carvalho seems a certainty, and with van Gaal he has a habit of playing one deep midfielder who protects the back four and maintains the teams shape. Carvalho seems tailor made for this role. But its who he plays with him that will be interesting. I think he will play Mata as the most advanced midfielder which means he'll need a tactically flexible midfielder who can carry the ball forward from midfield and link Carvalho with Mata, this midfielder needs to be able to defend when needed while also offering a presence going forward. I think a surprise could come with Adam Lallana playing such a role, people forget he is a box to box midfielder as he has been used wider a lot this season. But he is key to Southampton in that he plays wider when he moves forward but when under pressure he drops deeper and infield slightly to make the team resemble a 433 type formation.

Now we move onto the front three, well RvP is most likely to play as the main striker. I could see van Gaal going for someone like Griezmann to play on the left with Welbeck on the right, I could then see him using Januzaj Lingard and Valencia as other options if he needed a more defensive set up or more creative wide options.

But a team that keeps the ball in the middle and final third of the pitch with players who have pace stretching and probing the opposition defence with a clinical striker in RvP and a creative force who can move the ball quickly ala Mata.

This is how I could see us lining up under van Gaal and all with players we have been strongly linked to in recent times. Garay, Shaw, Lallana, Carvalho and Griezmann. We may see another midfielder sign as well but that would give us a strong creative unit going forward who would be flexible and have pace and technical nous. A typical van Gaal side really.

{Ed004's Note - I agree with most if what you have said except a few things. I reckon this how we would expect to line up however, I'd rather have Smalling in that back line, he is better in the air, he is more composed and he is better positionally compared to Jones. All Smalling needs to really work on IMO is his distribution. In midfield I don't think Lallana would be the right player for that role. Not only that but we would be charged a fortune to get him easily 25-30 mill and that would be far better going towards a creative midfielder. Fabregas is available this summer, though there are other alternatives Kroos, Herrera, Rakitic, Koke etc etc. lastly I agree it will be RVP as the striker though I would play Januzaj out right and another winger Griezman, Sanchez, Reus, Di Maria (one of them) that would leave us in a fantastic position}

Find it funny that Fabregas is now available after the big fiasco of him going back to Barca from Arsenal.

I wonder if with Martino certain to be replaced at the end of this season there is a chance Fabregas will become unavailable depending on the new managers plans?

Id personally partner Evans with Garay. Think he is our best defender and has been badly missed a lot of this season. Would love Lallana, think he's a brilliant little player but can't see us getting him and Shaw.

Mostly agree Shappy, it will be a 4-3-3 come 4-2-1-3. Mata behind a front three of Rooney, RVP and hopefully Reus. William Carvalho shielding the defence and Kroos or Fabregas as the deeper lying playmaker. At the back I hope Rafael can find some form again, maybe van der Wiel would be a good buy? Shaw as well. I would Garay at centre back or someone with EPL experience like Verthongen.

As another point, I think a return to the 4-3-3 that we used in 07/08 is the way to go. We had Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo. Why not have Rooney, van Persie and Reus? In midfield we had Hargreaves, Carrick and Scholes. A midfield of W. Carvalho, Mata and Fabregas or Kroos would be every bit as good I think. It wouldn't be too difficult to make that team up.

If its van gaal strootman depending on his injury could be a possibility I know van gaal rates him highly

Ed004, Fabregas would be ideal as would Kroos but its if we can get them.

Fresh, I don't think we'll target a RB this summer now. The issue with Rafael was with Moyes, with him gone and with us needing a LB CB at least one but preferably 2 CM's and a winger then it might be abit of a stretch to get a new RB too. So that could wait for another year, that will also give Janko and Varela a further year to develop.

As for Rooney I think he could move on this summer if a buyer can be found. If and it looks likely van Gaal becomes manager then I can't see where Rooney would fit into a van Gaal team. His teams rely a lot on technical ability and tactical awearness. That would rule Rooney out of a role as a No.9 or No.10 in van Gaal's team. As you've said he could be deployed wider but I don't think Rooney could or would want to play that role. With that in mind I think we could see him leave.

I expect to see the squad size reduced this summer especially if we miss out on the Europa league too. I can see a large cull with several youth players being promoted to fill any positions we are light in rather than sign loads of players.

I can see Lindegaard or Amos leaving, Rio, Vidic, Evra and possibly Buttner although he may be kept as with Evra leaving there will be no cover there.
Giggs will no longer have a playing role at the club, Cleverley or Carrick might be out the door too. Then I can see both Nani and Young going along with maybe Kagawa and Hernandez and possibly Rooney.

Thats as many as 13 leaving, I can only see us signing 5 maybe 6 at most. But then Michael Keane, Nick Powell, Jesse Lingard and James Wilson I think could be involved in the first team with possibly Pearson, Rothwell, Janko and Varela possibly getting the odd game.

{Ed004's Note - Who could be sell Rooney to though Shappy? I don't think he would move abroad as I'm not sure he could adapt to a new language etc his wages are way too big for most clubs in premiership and I don't think Chelsea or City would take him any more. That be said a summer of Garay, Shaw, Carvalho, Fabregas/Kroos, Sanchez/Reus/Griezman/Di Maria along with varela/Janko, Keane, Powell, Lingard and Wilson promoted with our deadwood clearing out would be fantastic under LvG. Also I think LvG would get the most out of Januzaj. I think he is a better right winger and he would be given the role Robben gets for Holland. Valencia as a backup. I'd keep Kagawa as this system will suit him best I'd love to keep Hernandez but feel he will be sold. I think a two man forward line of Hernandez and RVP would be a great back up/plan B}

There are a few options, Monaco and PSG are likely to be looking for a striker if Falcao and Cavani leave as expected this summer. City may still move for him as it would look like they are taking our best player off us. Chelsea appear to have moved on but if that deal hits a snag then they could come back in for Rooney if was available.

He might not want to move abroad but if his options are France or the bench then I think he could be persuaded.

I'd like to see Kagawa stay but I think he may want to leave unless he feels he will be first choice.

{Ed004's Note - I'd love Monaco or psg to have a firm interest in him. Means we wouldn't have to play against him and we could push for a swap deal likes of moura, Rodriguez and Mourinho etc however it's very unlikely}

25 Apr 2014 13:30:31
Wonder if LVG will look at Strootman if he does come in, already been linked with the club and isn't he Holland's captain? Hopefully we won't see the interest in Schneyjder rekindled

RVP is captain, Strootman would be a class addition, unlikely though as he only just signed for Roma (my opinion).

He was brilliant up until his injury, people are linking us with Ljaic who only just signed too, stranger things have happened

RvP is captain, Strootman is vice captain.

He's got an ACL injury, may be an option come January.

Strootman is nt goof enough and you kids need to settle down just because we might be getting a dutch manager does not mean we will end up getting average dutch players in the team.

25 Apr 2014 11:50:01
Right lads. the big one. the only prediction that matters.

Does Giggsy walk out into OT in a tracksuit or suit?!

I'm going tracksuit myself.

{Ed004's Note - Tracksuit}

Draped in the chosen one banner

I hate to see managers in anything but a suit, it looks scruffy. But if he puts himself on the bench then I suppose he will have to be in a tracksuit. I wonder how many times he starts himself or brings himself on. I imagine he will start the last home game as it will likely be his last ever game for us.

@Danny. yes mate, perhaps a parachute jump from a plane?;)

Ive heard he will wear the kit he made his debut in ;)

RD

Managers wear a suit, coaches wear tracksuits. What he wears will tell you a lot about his mentality.

I expect him to wear a tracksuit as I expect he'll name himself amoungst the subs.

'Ive heard he will wear the kit he made his debut in ;)'

If I remember correctly the shorts were pretty short, they'll look like hot pants nowadays.

I reckon tracksuit!

im sure he still wants a goal to keep up his record of scoring in the PL seasons.

i reckon a cheeky substitute appearance could be on the cards!

ms85

100% a tracksuit, probably have the kit on underneath ;)

80's old school Manchester United track suit. A pair of suede gazelle's and if he's feeling really groovey then complete them with glow in the dark laces to complete the outfit.

If I were in Giggs position I'd bring myself on 2nd half and then off again before the end to lap up 2 rounds applause.

Am I the only one who's predicting him to wear a suit and still sub himself on and play in loafers?

Suit and a pair of fancy shoes then he scores a free kick and fancy shoes are on all the players wish lists

Or a sheepskin jacket and a cigar? haha.

RD

Mankini

25 Apr 2014 10:28:44
A story has annoyed me today. If LvG gets the job and wishes to have Roy Keane as his assistant, who is SAF to block this purely because he doesn't get on with him. That irritates me and makes it seem like SAF is the club. Keane and LvG would rule with an iron fist and accept no nonsense, at the top level that is what you need to get the best results especially with the reported poor discipline during the Moyes era.

Saf os a control freak, wouldn't surprise me if he got the job with giggs maybe being coach?

It's really irritating. If LvG thinks that Keane is his best option as right hand mind then that's who should come in. SAF still thinks he is bigger than the club, he is just a director now.

Fresh why are you getting annoyed about a probably made up story about an ex player, with a massive chip on his shoulder, and someone who the press said we are interested in as a potential manager?

You need to relax.

For starters you have no idea whether these rumours about Keane have even an ounce of truth, secondly don't speak of SAF like he isn't important anymore now that he's not manager. Any big signings we manage to bring in I guarantee he would have had some sort of influence on the player.

25 Apr 2014 07:58:04
Just a question. If we did get van gaal after the world cup how likely are we to of missed out on transfer targets due to his later start.

{Ed002's Note - I cannot sensibly answer whatif questions about one coach who might be of interest to the club.}

Reports suggest that we will be pressing on with signing the players that every manager would want, like Shaw, maybe Kroos etc. Some say that LvG is close to signing and targets have already been discussed whilst others say that the club have already identified players that they want, the manager just has to say yes or no.

25 Apr 2014 00:29:29
Another outstanding performance from Garay again. The best option to plug the hole in our back line in my opinion. A much better player than Mangala. But if it's van Gaal we get, does he not shy away from South American players?