Manchester United Banter Archive August 25 2013

25 Aug 2013 21:59:42
Hey eds love this site and all the hard work yous put into it much appreciated! What do you think of the possibility of mata being part of a deal for Rooney or even a bid for for mata himself? Cheers {Ed004's Note - Very unlikely IMO}

But I have to say one thing. since the departures of ed with their in-sights this site have been boring and a place to make ON-GOING debates. when its not worth either.
Everyone tries to force their view on others head and slagging others for not getting agree to them.

Use logic. have to say I disagree with you because I learn loads through involvement with this site.

not only that, I also appreciate my views being challenged and my opinions refined or completely changed by more insightful contributers than myself.

furthermore, a lot of the banter makes me chuckle and on occasion can raise a belly laugh.

we all feel passionately about what brings us together here, but even during heated disagreements I've never felt belittled or made to feel stupid even when I stick my neck out or post something that might be a little nieve.

I suppose it all depends on what you're looking to get out of our little community.

Someone will probably call me a tosser now :)

Not true, it is just people have different views and will argue their point. The season has started and going by last year, the site will lose some posters as they seem to come out of the woodwork when we have transfer fever and then suddenly disappear.

Eds not wanting to contribute is their choice. At the end of the day a lot of it is guesswork especially when it comes to our club. Whilst it seems clubs are pursuing many players we seem to be a closed shop and only interested in very few.

According to many including eds, Strootman and Garay should be lacing it up today for us but we know how that went.

Here is to beting the pants off chelsea today.

Andrewb. Not a tosser at all. We all have our views and that's the beauty of it.
Also the ed's are trying very hard to share whatever info they have, but at the end of the day, who knows what is really happening inside the club?
We can all just guess!

25 Aug 2013 23:12:38
Apparently there's an embargoed press release out today. First time I've ever heard of such a thing. Has this ever happened before?! Must be signing related?

Dodgy Its the season ticket sales lol

25 Aug 2013 22:19:18
United sold all 55k season tickets and 8k posh boxes this season

Not sure this is true. They were offering me more season tickets a week ago!

Being a football fan whts important to you?

seat besides u is empty or full or attractive football with winning mentality.

we fans get to much into financial aspect of FOOTBALLING BUSINESS.

A fan is there to support the team and enjoy.

rest of the headache is for management and administrative staff.
i guess it should be simple as that.

No midfield,

It is true, it's been announced, they obviously got everyone to sign up, great to see there are enough fans that love the club and going to the games whoever we sign.

25 Aug 2013 21:34:18
I know some of you little girls will get all excited about Ronaldo's comments about wanting to return to United to end his career but just hold your horses before you rush off to the megastore and have his name printed on your replica shirt. He may just be using us to strengthen his barganing position with Madrid. I hate to see too many of you upset

Kloot none of us will make the same mistake you did. On a side note what is with the constant replica shirt posts you seem obsessed with them.

I agree Kloot not sure I want him coming back aged 33

Kloot, CR7's comments are actually a bit insulting depending on how you interpret them. Is he saying that when he's too old to play at the top level then he'll play for us (a la Keane and Celtic).

I do think its fair to assume that Ronaldo being the second most expensive signing at Madrid is REALLY going to P@£s him off. We know he is a moody chap at the best of times so who knows where the rattle will land when he throws them out of the pram! Here is still hoping.

I also think he'd like nothing better than to see Madrid fall apart with him gone and Bale in place. Great Player but not exactly team player

Thank god your here to clear all this up. Sure ill just buy 2 jerseys with what ever names on it. It doesn't really matter once the glazer crew are fed well in fact ill get glazer on one of them bad boys. what you getting on yours this year pal.

CAIN

KLOOT, I refer you again to your comment before SAF's last home game.

You know, the one about urging us all to march round OT, sing our songs, and, wait for it - wear replica tops from the SAF era.

So full of it, fella.

Stevie I would check with your carer or whoever reads for you as I can't remember seriously asking people to don replica shirts and march round the ground.

Sorry KLOOT but you certainly did. Perhaps you were off your meds on that day.

Something along the lines of everybody turning up in all the different strips of Fergie's era.

I remember it distinctly, because it was such a passionate call to arms, that I might even have shed a tear reading it.

Now unless these tops were homemade, I'm pretty sure they'd have been replicas.

Now, pull your trousers up from round your ankles, and get that room tidied before you go on the computer again.

StevieK

25 Aug 2013 20:26:09
rumours we are back it for fabregas for 40 mill hope we get him

Where did you here this?

I think Fabregas is a non starter and Barca will not sell. A couple of media outlets but no reliable sources and they are just making things up as it is going to be a crazy week.

I am hoping we get Modric from Real and swap rooney for Mata and get Fellaini in as well.

That would give us a genuine chance of competing at CL level.

My dear friend!
caught offs**e is never a trusted source for news. they link 99 players out of 100 with united and still fail in their assumption. {Ed001's Note - just to point out, they literally get provided with articles written by kids in return for a shirt of their choice. It is just a case of putting as many names out there as possible to get a good chance of the site coming up when you use a search engine. Quite clever really, they have taken the exact same attitude most tabloids use and raised it up a notch. Pain in the backside for us editors though, as we get asked about every player they link with a club!}

25 Aug 2013 20:22:09
Interesting reaction from city fans to the defeat by Cardiff but to be fair they have never done well away in Europe.

25 Aug 2013 18:26:29
Ashes is exciting right now, Aussies set us an unlikely target and we are chasing it down, the 3.0 series win is possibly going to be a 4.0 win. Unmissable stuff.

Syd to be frank it hasn't been competitive at all this Ashes. Aussies have thrown away the advantage in far too many occasions.

But have to say Bell has been awesome(his record against India is even better, hate him for that :P)

Bloody refs always ruining the match

Syd mate when you guys come down here hopefully we will be a lot better but I just don't see it happening.

Well that was an anti-climax!

Rddu - you've got no chance mate!

25 Aug 2013 18:18:35
Rooney goes to Chelsea with mata coming the other way.

We get ozil.

Front three of mata--kagawa--ozil :O:O

Also get felliani.

Happy days!

None of this happens, Rooney stays (but is unhappy) and Moyes claims this is like a new signing for us and we can kick on with what we have. All the rumours of Woodward being in (insert country with good league( continue til deadline day without anything happening. It's been one big con-job from the start and I just hope Moyes can do okay because without signings, he'll be sacked by the end of the season. This squad cannot compete on all fronts. and considering how much money the fans put into the club, £2million on a fullback is sickening.

RED_SKY

RED SKY, Moyes will not be sacked at the end of the season if we don't buy anyone this window. We are not Chelsea or City. He'll get time to make his own mark, just like Fergie, assuming the Glazers don't cave in to some of our more hysterical fans.

StevieK

25 Aug 2013 17:49:03
Man city 300 million

Vs

Cardiff City 10 Million

Shows what playing with your heart can achieve.

Noisy neighbours ain't singing anymore. Only one city there's only one city

Great game, let's hope utd do the business tomorrow night. If not DM should have some good news

25 Aug 2013 18:08:38
Great result, isn't it good to have the Footie back,

First time poster, great job eds

Can someone please explain to me this lack of transfer activity? Moyes has said that he and his team are working hard to get deals through, to me this is BS how long does it take to sign a player? He is in the job nearly 8 weeks and Woodward too is incompetent

IMO it shows that the real quality players don't want to sign for the biggest club in the world

Hi Red Sul

The transfer saga has gone on for weeks, We get excited then let down. I am P.O with all the nonsense that is transfer activity for united. We all heard DM say he has money available. But not 1 signing.

If we get destroyed in the middle of the park tomorrow night, I think there will be a lot of unhappy fans and it may force Utd todo business, on the other hand if we control play and do well then I don't see any signings as we will be told our squad is good enough.

If we beat Chelsea tomorrow, forget about signings. Will Cardiff finish the season above City? Of course not. But if we beat Chelsea, expect a speech from Moyes about how we don't need signings. I hope we lose, to be honest, one loss doesn't mean we lose the title but it could force the board into opening the wallet.

RED_SKY

25 Aug 2013 17:39:45
Anyone else watching Cardiff City fans do the Poznan? Lol.

I was there, unfortuntlely in the Man City end. Me and my Cardiff supporting mate had a good time though, brilliant game :)

HB

Hope you had your Utd top on haha

25 Aug 2013 16:30:24
Personally I think moyes should look at a couple of atletico Madrid players to alleviate our central midfield problem ie Oscar Garcia or koke both young also

25 Aug 2013 17:24:24
I've mentioned Koke before, I think he would be one of the best midfielders to eventually replace Carrick. For me it should be either Gundogan or Koke who should replace Carrick. But heres the thing, Koke probably needs another year in Spain and Dortmund won't consider selling Gundogan until next year at the earliest.

So maybe it would be best to wait until next year to sign either Koke or Gundogan rather than get someone sub standard this summer.

We still need a DM to play alongside Carrick and eventually either Koke or Gundogan. Fellaini looks like he will be that player.

25 Aug 2013 15:36:52
I still believe one more £40m bid for Fabregas we will get him but as for Fellaini and Baines I think we will get them on deadline day. , as for Ozil I think we will not sign him unless David Moyes surprises us

25 Aug 2013 13:50:15
I think if we do sign Fellaini and/or Baines I think it will be on deadline day.

Hopefully we bid 35-40m for Fabregas or Ozil. we still need the replacement for Scholes.

25 Aug 2013 12:33:41
So chelsea are now in talks for eto.

Anyone else feel Jose bid low for Rooney knowing united wernt going to sell anyway just to try and stir things up.

Imo typical Jose playing mind games as he knows united are the team to beat so he's just stirring things up.

No, he wanted to buy Rooney so Chelsea bid for Rooney. There is no reason why Chelsea will not want both Eto'o and Rooney. Demba Ba & Lukaku will go out on loan. Torres may even be sold?

Lukaku will not go out on loan, he wants to fight for a place at Chelsea

Dodgy, I meant if Eto'o and Rooney are bought Lukaku will go out on loan.

Lukaku has said he will not go out on loan.

He has also said in a more recent interview that he would go out on loan if the club wanted him to. I wouldn't rule out a return to WBA if Anelka retires.

25 Aug 2013 11:20:54
So RM do not want to sell Oezil, but Oezil wants to move with his father hawking him around Europe. I think Oezil, Fellaini & Baines would be a good summer.

Agreed. Those 3 would certainly reinvigorate the team. A few people on this site feel that Fellaini isn't good enough for Utd, but then agree he'd improve our midfield. The fact that he'd improve our midfield no end means he is good enough IMO. As for Real not wanting to sell Ozil I honestly think with Bale signing they'd need to sell a couple of players. Modric or Ozil will leave. They'll make noise about not wanting to sell only to drive up the price I reckon. Pity the Bale deal didn't happen earlier on the window, wouldve been interested to see what would happen with Ronaldo. Still dunno how they'll play both those players- Bale's most successful season was down to him being allowed to drift around almost in a free role. Will Madrid allow him AND Ronaldo to do that? Doubt it.

Di Maria, Coentrao and others are available for sale. RM genuinely do not want to sell Oezil.

I watched Madrid last week and they focused on Oezils face when substituted and he was far from happy.

I understood from previous posts that we had turned down his agent and knocked him back.

Either Moyes only has eyes for Fellaini or we are waiting on something else. I have felt the Fabregas situation may not have been completely closed off, just over a week to find out. I thought Cesc would not be happy being on the bench in midweek when the first big game came along plus when he was brought on the axis of Xavi Iniesta and Busquets was not broken so even then he didn't break into the area of the team he wants to. I still hold a glimmer of hope on Fabregas.

Red Man, MU have approached Oezil's agent a couple times in the past. But that was when we were under SAF's rule and he didn't want to join us. Like you I think Cesc may not be 100% done. I do not see how Fellaini and Oezil can be compared as they are completely different players. The club will want both if possible. Oezil replaces Rooney in the hole if needed and he can play LW. I think Oezil would only happen if Rooney was sold.

Sydney, why do you insist on mis-spelling Ozil? Lol.

I haven't mis-spelled it, you have. {Ed044's Note - Without the umlaut it is spelt Oezil mate.}

25 Aug 2013 11:09:05
Reading through the post on here makes me laugh at times.
Baines, Fellaini and now some are shouting for Barkley, absolutely joke. Martinez has told Moyes & his double standards to wind his neck in and it's about time he did. Who's next? Coleman? Mirallaz? Stones? Jagielka? because there all better than what you've got and that's not a bias opinion either, that's fact! Moyes is no longer part of Everton and he needs to realise just because he signed these players previously does not mean their his!

25 Aug 2013 11:34:51
Someone has their knickers in a twist. Have you considered that if all your players are better than ours then how come you didn't finish above us in the league last year. And after you have played twice as many games as us this season and yet your better players still have less points than ours.

If only you had the ability to step back and look at what you said in a totally non bias way then you would realise how silly you've been. Lol.

Shappy wind your neck in you talk nonsense, individually all those players are better than you have like for like, problem we had is how they were managed on the pitch, 4-5-1 under Moyes says it all.

Shappy your boring
Next.

Another poster who claims his own opinion is fact and gets all menstrual if pulled up on it. Bore off and wind your own neck in.

25 Aug 2013 13:03:23
Okay let's have a look shall we.

DDG is better than Howard(one of our cast off you've picked up)
Rafael is better than Coleman
Vidic is better than Jagielka
Rio Evans Smalling and Jones are all better than any of your other central defenders.
Baines is better than Evra, that's why were interested in him.
Carrick is better than Gibson( another one of our cast offs)
Fellaini is better than Cleverley again this is why were interested in him.
Kagawa is better than Barkley currently, I do rate Barkley but as yet he only has potential and is not proven.
Valencia is better than Pienaar
Nani is better than Mirallas
RvP is better than Jelavic
Rooney is better than Anichebe
Anderson and Osman are about equal, Osman isn't as good as Anderson at his best but he isn't injuried all the time like Anderson.


So you can see your team isn't better than ours. You have two players who would current get into our first team and we are currently trying tk buy them. Long term Barkley will also be good enough for our first team but I think we'll allow him to develop at a lower level club while he grows and improves then we will move for him in 2/3 years time.

I'm sorry if that upsets you, but your team just isn't upto our standard, that's why your best players want to play for us.

Yes martinez really has them purring now. great result at home yesterday. oh wait no they were rubbish no goals against a very mediocre team and at home yes I take your point your players are BRILLIANT which makes your coach crap.

So jakeilka is better than vidic? Miralles is better than rooney? Have u heard yourself talk?
Fellaini will do a job. Baines I could take or leave. Barkley is a great prospect.
Rest you can keep.

AvitURS, you still there? where've you gone?

Sorry I feel like I'm talking to a minor here.
I didn't mention our GK although Howard has done well for us, he did well for UTD once upon a time.
Rafael really? Too lightweight, gets caught out of position, in Coleman we have a mirror image of Baines.
Vidic, injury prone.
Rio, finished.
Smalling, sorry who's he?
Jones, he doesn't have a clue what position he plays in.
Carrick, you can have that put he's another player that plays sideways and backwards, and looks like your trying to replace.
Kagawa better than Barkley? haha
RVP/Rooney, I'll give you that but again I didn't mention jelavic or anichebe
Anderson, fat and lazy so over Osman who works his socks off I'd have to say no,
The arrogance of you suggesting Barkley is one for the future,

Reverting to my first point, Moyes needs to look else where!

25 Aug 2013 14:55:10
Well like I said you are unable to see the obvious truth.

I'll tell you what AvitURS, shall we save the who is better for the end of the season shall we? I highly doubt you'll finish in the top 5/6, where as I expect us to finish in at least the top three and challenge for the league maybe even win it if we get a good rub of the green.

I highly doubt we'll be hearing much from you snotty little blue noses much beyond christmas as you settle down into your midtable position, while were playing at the top end of the table.

Tell me if Moyes is so poor and our squad isn't as good as yours then why have we won our first game of the season against a tough Swansea team who we beat 4-1 at their place yet you've managed two draws against teams that will likely finish in the bottom half of the table?

Wakey wakey, if you want you can keep having a pop. But the more you do the more silly i'll make you look. So how daft do you wanna look little boy? Lmao.

I've been sending Scousers packing for over 20 years. Lol.

25 Aug 2013 14:57:34
Oh and the only time i've heard of children being refered to as minors in the courts. Umm so your a scouser who makes regular visits to the crown courts? Hmmm i'm guessing your well versed with the dock. Lol.

Avit u r forgeting to reply about yesterdays superb performance against west brom I though you did well to hld them to a draw without moyes you are a bottom half team as you were when he found you

Also avit you are indeed CORRECT moyes did need to look elsewhere and he did, he now might win something now he has a decent squad

25 Aug 2013 19:54:18
Shappy, one word. legend you have to be one of the most knowledgeable football fans I've ever seen

25 Aug 2013 10:08:00
Bored of sheer quantity of whinging and judging of Woodward and Moyes by people who haven't got a clue on here. No one knows what these guys are doing behind the scenes, wait until the end of the window to judge.

Something slightly different to discuss:

A friend of mine was singing Alaba's praises as a center mid, I must confess I've never seen him play there.

Has any of our keen amateur scouts seen much of him playing in the CM / DCM position? What do you think of him there?

Would he be likely to want to play his preferred position elsewhere does anyone think, or is he happy at leftback for arguably the best team in Europe?

I suspect he's happy where he is, but could the temptation of a CM position tempt him away?

What kind of money would he cost to prize away from Bayern?

Do you mean lahm? I read he played well at centre mid pure season.

we could lure him on the pretense of playing centre mid then play him at left back lol.

totally bonkers idea but shows how desperate we are for a decent midfielder

25 Aug 2013 13:10:59
Alaba quiet often plays in midfield for Austria, but isn't good enough to play in midfield for Bayern ahead of players such as Schweinstieger Martinez Thiago Kroos ect.

He is best out wide as either a full back or a winger due to his blistering pace and his ability to dribble around players. His ability to play in midfield are nothing more than an advantage as a squad member, but isn't good enough to play centrally for a top team.

Cheers Shappy, sounded a pretty bonkers idea to me too!

Good job our scouts aren't sponsored by Stella Artois. Although say it quietly, might give Woodward ideas! ;)

25 Aug 2013 09:19:36
Liverpool's new winning mentality is the key to their best start to a season since 2008, according to Brendan Rodgers.
Copied from a website, 2 games in and it's their best start for 5 years, made me laugh!!

I got a good chuckle out of this too. 2 scrappy wins at that.

Scrappy game right is that not the way u won last year won't happen this year

Winning the league by 11 points is hardly scrappy!

Scrappy and lucky

25 Aug 2013 09:09:01
Would rather buy Barkley from Everton if anyone. The boy for a few years now has looked class. (Watch a lot of youth football) Another youth prospect that's worth looking at would be Will Hughes.

Didn't will Hughes just sign for Liverpool? derby midfielder?

25 Aug 2013 03:28:06
I am so excited to see Kagawa played (hopefully) in the correct position this season, as are many of you fellas. But how many of you would send Kagawa back to Dortmund in part-exchange for Gundogan?

Not me, Why lose good players when you can just add in quality to what we already have.

Although I think Kagawa is a world class player, I don't think he'll cut it at united. The players around are not as technically gifted as they were at Dortmund.

25 Aug 2013 09:15:36
I would buy Gundogan out right. There is no point in exchanging a top player for another top player. You strengthen on area and weaken another.
How many other players are out there who can do what Kagawa does as good or better who we would be able to get?

I think Kagawa is going to be a key player if we are to challenge in europe, he's the kind of player who can create chances out of nothing while also never lossing possession. Without him we wilk rely on wingers to create chances, wingers by their very nature conceed possession a lot. that's why teams now use inverted wingers as they give the ball away less. But with no attacking midfielder keeping the ball and moving things about in the middle you become one dimensional and predictable, easy to defend against.

Kagawa is the player who can unlock even the tightest of defenses with a through ball or a shot or a little bit of skill. And when he does it centrally then the result is nearly always a goal.

Thats why I think it is important that we keep him and we play him in his best position.

No chance, Gundogan is class but so is Kagawa, i'll keep Kagawa and sign another quality CM thanks.

I wouldn't because Kagawa has said he wants to stay and improve, and Gundogan has said he wants to stay for at least another season at Dortmund. Personally I would like United to try and sign either Fabregas or Ozil, and either Vidal and Khedira. Then next year try to sign Gundogan as a replacement for Carrick.

I just hope we actually play Kagawa.

24 Aug 2013 23:44:25
Mourinho press transcripts make for interesting reading. He is definitely steering things up when it comes to Wayne Rooney. He does not mix his words by saying rooney wants to leave and I hope we let him go as he has had many of opportunities to come out and say he wants to stay but has remained silent.

Where is levy when you need someone like him. I hope we charge them 40 to 45 million and get rid of this guy as who needs a player that does not want to be here.

Another interesting thing is that he does not rule out a mata exchange and says we have not asked for mata. Please someone with some balls at the club get a deal done and send him their way and get mata.

This whole thing is a joke and I would be more happy to sell him than signing someone. If we have a off year so be it as log as we bring the young guys through. Looking back should have sold him back in 2010 and been done with this guy.

I can only assume he has gotten a lot of peoples nose out of joint high up for us to be taking the stance we are taking for things that are going on behind the scenes as this makes no sense.

He is not for sale mate. I know it drives you up the wall :) . You have to get used to him playing for us for another season atleast.

Deeps.

If we got Mata plus cash for want away Rooney then we should bite their hand off!

£20m, then £25m plus add-ons, I think the most Chelsea will go to is £35m plus add-ons. If we had Cesc, Fellaini and Baines all signed up then I think it would be an easy decision for the club, but can the club sell without strengthening? I certainly hope not.