Manchester United Banter Archive January 25 2015

 

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25 Jan 2015 23:16:24
Do you guys think Man United need a sports psychologist? Or do they have one?

Seems to me like some motivation issues need working on, looking at the work rate of our players. Especially when you consider we haven't even played in the CL this year?

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{Ed002's Note - Are you a Liverpool supporter.}

Sports Phycologist, Philosophy etc etc and soon we can check them all into a mental hospital.

Just let them play in the positions they are suppose to play, the game is not that difficult.

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26 Jan 2015 12:47:36
.............abuse removed...............

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{Ed002's Note - One mindless cocksucker after another.}

25 Jan 2015 22:56:02
After Watching the last few games and trying to make sense of it all, half of our team just don't care if we win or not, we lack a leader from the back, we lack a midfield general e.g a Roy keane, most of our players are too soft, no ones putting in a strong tackle, no one telling the players off for making silly mistakes, we need a good old fashioned centre half, a midfielder who will tackle hard and brake up play, we need a balance, just like we had before, giggs running and taking on players, scholes passing and striking, beckham crossing, free kicks, keane a nutter breaking up play simplifying things, and all who hated losing, the cared about the badge born winners

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I'm as frustratd as you but tI'm say players don't care is nonsense. The 4 you mention are probably the best midfield we had when they were in their prime. We do need more players but the system being played, and where some players are being asked to play, is flawed.

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26 Jan 2015 09:16:44
I agree with AJH, them players are one of a kind, I am sure we would love a team of Beckham, Scholes, Keane and Giggs with Ronaldo and Cantona up front, why not get Duncan Edwards in at centre back as well, he was passionate.

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Nigh on impossible to get more than a few passionate players at the top level. They are either passionate for themselves (Ronaldo), or simply have it too easy and don't need to be.

Too much money in the game, lack of accountability and for 99% of people the only way you become passionate is by having repercussions for failure. If our players fail, they get a multi-million contract elsewhere and all is forgotten/forgiven by the new club.

If you changed wages to performance related pay, that is when we will see passion come back at the top level, but again only in their youth when they have something to prove. At the moment we are asking a multi-millionaire to mow their own lawn, only a tiny minority will do that, who can blame them.

The only reason we all think we would try harder and focus more is because it's our dream. Most people don't dream about doing things they already do for a living, so you become complacent. Society is soft now, failure and poor performance is not ridiculed like it used to be, now we look to excuse it or even ignore it. No shame anymore for a lot of people and that includes a lot of footballers.

The game is dying slowly.

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25 Jan 2015 22:21:10
Just a bit of banter guys, does anybody else think we need a striker who is quick of the mark, sits on the shoulder of defenses pressing them back. Makes the near post and far post runs in the 6 yard box and is always good to poach a goal. One who is pretty lethal from the bench. As in fairness even with the talent this is the lowest scoring season we've had in a long time. A striker like one. .Chicarito??

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25 Jan 2015 23:22:29
With no service what's the point in having a striker doing them things? Falcao is making amazing runs each game and never gets the ball.

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We need to start playing Rooney up top. He is the best striker we have and if he doesn't get service he will go looking to create something for himself.

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JMB, you are saying Rooney is a better striker than RVP or Falcao? He has his s strengths but as a ire striker he's not at their level (when all playing well)

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As it stands, Much better than RvP and Falcao!

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mbd              

I personally think he is - at this moment - better than RVP and Falcao. I'm a fan of RVP but he has been useless this year and let's face it Falcao hasn't been the same guy we all drooled over a few years ago.

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25 Jan 2015 21:20:21
So refreshing, this transfer window, that all the aunts and uncles, janitors, people in Airports and other spoofers, haven't been giving the 'dead cert signings'. it's great to read real fans opinions. keep it up.

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25 Jan 2015 17:01:38
Ed's? Would the likes of Real Madrid & Barca try and take the largest slice of a European breakaway league tv money? Or is the plan (if you know) to have equal amounts for say the top league and then financial rewards for depending on where you finish? I know it's a money question but just wondered how it is proposed to work. Would hate to think that particular clubs would already be promised larger amounts than others.

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{Ed002's Note - The amount of money will be vast and there will be enough for everyone to get a good cut. Details such as you are asking are far from resolved or in some cases discussed.}

It would be a joke if say Real/Barca get a bigger slice than others. They have that now in La Liga which already gives them a huge advantage over there. It should be equal for all the first season and then go off finishing places for every other year, for me.

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25 Jan 2015 16:13:04
Evening folks. Ed, I was just reading that United sent a few scouts to watch Clyne over the last few weeks. Its not about the player more about how the scouts get into the matches. Do they have to request tickets or does each team have an allocation at each Premier League ground to go and watch the games?. Just curious is all.
Thanks in advance

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{Ed002's Note - Typically (most of the time) the club will ask for a ticket or two. Occasionally they will just buy a ticket.}

25 Jan 2015 15:57:07
Ed002 I seen in an earlier post ........................

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{Ed002's Note - That isn't what I said - the post was deleted because of your prior trolling of it.}

Just asking the questions ed that is all.

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{Ed002's Note - Well you trolling got the post deleted for others.}

25 Jan 2015 12:16:56
Hi Ed, if DDG does leave in the summer. And the fact VV hasn't played for the best part of a year, what keepers could you see Utd going for??? Could get Cech but he looks way past his best, Krul is ok but I doubt he is Utd quality. All the quality keepers abroad are not abailable, its a concern seeing as how good DDG is.

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{Ed002's Note - Krul, but it depends on other factors. I have told you this before.}

25 Jan 2015 11:44:46
Hi ed. Can you see any deals being competed for us in this window or will we have to wait until summer? I think that signing another player now won't make a difference, I think the players we have now still need time to settle and get used to the system that Louis Van Gaal wants. I think we should stick it out until summer and inject more players then.

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{Ed002's Note - The club are continuing to try and get a CB.}

25 Jan 2015 19:47:20
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Ed002 is there any interest in any new cbs or are we trying to strike a deal with the ones you've previously stated?

Cheers

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of anyone who has not been discussed Dave.}

25 Jan 2015 13:15:37
I haven't posted much over the last few months as I can't keep up with the younger ones and some of the over analysing of lvg. When all is said and done if he doesn't achieve top 4/cl then he will be gone. If he does then there is still a chance that he may still be in the job next season depending on who is available.

I still think the next manager will be Klopp or blanc, although I've always wanted mourinho. There are only 4/5 managers who realistically can do the job and I don't include giggs. Lvg has historically favoured 333 with the extra man either being a sweeper or an extra in midfield (433/343) which is the ajax way which has been used at barca etc but I don't want to get too involved with formations either as top teams should be more fluid and not set in a rigid formation.

I think the reason why we are not playing this is the fact we don't have the players in particular positions. Lvg is picking a team / formation as now due to the players we have. We do need a commanding cm and a couple of defenders but what also I think is obvious but no one seems to mention too much is a right winger/midfielder. We only naturally have Valencia and include januzaj if need be but I feel we need someone there.

My guess would be anyone but to play his preferred formations and to have the right balance we do need someone in that position on the right of an attacking 3. Rvp could play the role as he did sometimes before but I don't think he has the movement and pace to now. It's why it could be the rumoured interest in a robben or muller (probably not happening) as it would make sense with adm or Rooney on the other side of a front or middle 3.

Just my opinion. I expect someone to arrive probably in the summer to fill that position Although I also hope it's not Messi if anyone has seen any of my much older posts sometimes on a different subject page as I think he is spent for reasons I'm not going to go into. Again just my opinions and I will probably be just a reading visitor only for a while again.

Missing some of the older names I haven't seen for a while. Jonty, Jono, Kloot, nngiak, and a few others I can't remember names and we'll done to the ones who still post who keep the pages growing. And lastly all the ed's even Ed002 when he (or even she) is enduring that particular time of the month.

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Totally agree, I have been talking about getting a new right midfielder for ages. Our options out there are rubbish, our wingers in general are poor apart from Di Maria and Januzaj has potential. Young, Valencia, Nani and Zaha are all not good enough.

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25 Jan 2015 16:23:01
Young and Valencia aren't good enough but make for decent rotation options. Nani has had far too many chances as seems to think he deserves yet another. Zaha seems to be off so we are really lacking in terms of wingers. Hopefully depay and one other comes in.

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25 Jan 2015 10:10:34
I am really confused by our whole club at the minute. .maybe this is how fans of other clubs feel and we, are just ecmxperiencing it.
1. The management. .i was excited to get LVG but at the minute I just don't know. especially the bits of behind the scenes stuff i hear on here.
2. The slow play. i am not a fan and we don't havrvthe players to play this way
3. The players. . the existing players are not performing. the new players are not playing to there price tag (I am going to excuse Rojo as i think he has exceeded our expectations).
4. The ownership. . i was never part of the yellow and green brigade and think the business part of the club is excelling. .i have concerns, as to motives and the 2017 theory posted on here
Can we roll back a few years!!!

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25 Jan 2015 06:38:49
Good article by Henry Winter in the Telegraph this morning about LVG. He's a neutral so has no axe to grind. Pretty much sums up the situation as the right man making some wrong decisions. Worth a read.

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Agree whole heartedly AJH. Henry Winter is one of my favourite journalists. He always hits the nail on the head.

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Henry winter is one of the only pro United journalists out there. But he always has a balanced view of them. I read the article and he's spot on.

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Perfect article.

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Cheers AJH - Just read it and it is everything I have been saying, only slight difference is that the journo thinks he is the right man despite all the errors. I think he is the wrong man because of all the errors.

He also highlights the double standards with Moyes. Frankly our desperation for him to be the right man is the only thing holding back the wolves. I hope LVG finally realises he is on thin ice and the only thing holding him up is a CV which is about to give under the pressure he is putting on it.

I hope he swallows his pride and starts to attack teams now, if 0-0 at Cambridge won't convince him then I don't know what will. Leicester at home couldn't be better timed.

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I have said it from the start and I will keep on saying it: The manager will get it right. Yes, there has been suspect decisions, but none of us here no what goes on behind the scenes with regards to performances in training etc.
I am pretty sure that all decisions related to the teams tactics etc, are a collective decision taken by the whole coaching staff after intensive analysis of the weeks training and the opposition. So I doubt, unlike Moyes', the manager is making the decisions without the input of the coaches.

Some perspective has to be taken into consideration. Our form in terms of results isn't too shabby at all. Our performances haven't been great; but there are aspects - to my eyes anyway - that are just better in comparison to last season. The problem is some of the players unfortunately are not technically good enough to execute the type of system the manager wants to play. That is why the manager needs to maybe bite the bullet a little bit this season, and just play to our current strengths, which includes playing Rooney back up front and playing with width.

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24 Jan 2015 23:51:01
This isn't Manchester United related but Just read that Martin odegaard is on 80000 a week at Real Madrid obviously don't know how true this is. But if true it shows that football has finally gone mad.

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Read yesterday it was 40k

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Also reports circling that Madrid have bought him and his family a luxury house as well as giving him full use of a private jet to regularly visit his homeland. All this on top of £80,000 a week to play B team football and a nice signing on fee. Said it before and I'll say it again Madrid have ruined football.

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{Ed007's Note - Wayne Rooney to Man Utd in 2004? Roy Keane getting £50k a week in 1999? Utd have been just as bad as anyone for taking football financially where it is today. For years Utd used their financial power to pay over the normal wage to attract players, it's only in recent years they've been left struggling to match clubs like Madrid, City and Chelsea.
You can't take the moral highground when Utd pay players the sort of money Rooney or Falcoa are getting.}

I agree with you ED in regards to the wages paid to players like Falcao and Rooney although I suppose Rooney has given a lot to the club. I feel with Madrid though by triggering purchases such as the fees they paid for Zidane, Ronaldo, Kaka etc they have just took the game up to a whole new financial level.

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{Ed007's Note - Jealousy's a terrible thing.... (envy) I try not to get bogged down with the £ side of things, there's nothing we can do to stop it. As a Celtic fan it's even worse when you see teams like Hull in the Top 40 richest clubs all because of TV money but it is what it is. Cambridge will make more £ from their FA Cup replay than Celtic will for winning the league.
The latest thing to grind my gears is 'I want to play Champions League football' shout, what they mean is they want the wages the BIG CL teams pay. If it was about the prestige why not sign for Celtic...or a Basel? You're almost guaranteed CL football or a chance to qualify. B*$£@&$
Rant over :)

Couldn't have said it better myself ED. Money talks.

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Juanmatasbeard

There are points about Madrid which did mean it could be said they had an unfair advantage. The deal on the training ground for example.
United only spend what they have earned, we don't have a multi billionaire bank rolling deals and if I was looking at clubs that could be said to be ruining football I would look at City, Chelsea, PSG, certain Russian clubs and Monaco until their money ran out. For me it was their intervention throwing money at players that caused a problem, yet recently pegged back for the time being by FFP.

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25 Jan 2015 05:17:39
007, that's enough Buckfast for one night bud! ;)

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{Ed007's Note - Cheeky sod!}

Just out of curiousity ed 007, would you like to see Celtic in the premier league or championship or whatever league they would have to start at to eventually end up in the premier league?

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{Ed007's Note - No. I'd much rather see someone come in and invest in the Scottish game or see us in a second division of a Euro league. I think the EPL is a bit of a joke that'll end up a financial mess when the 'European Super League' eventually happens.The EPL is full of half-scarf daytrippers who would rather take selfies or Tweet than watch the game, it's just a money-making product with no soul, give it 10/20 years and Utd and Liverpool fans will be sitting together at Old Trafford.
I don't buy all the Best League in The World nonsense, it's the best marketted but take away TV money and what have you got? No money to afford the foreigners that make the EPL watchable and then who's going to watch Stoke v Hull, in fact who watches games like that anyway?

25 Jan 2015 13:50:59
Stoke and hull fans?

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{Ed007's Note - Who will probably all be at the game taking selfies and asking other fans to keep the noise down all the while thinking they are one of the biggest clubs in the world just because TV gives them £100 million. They have no ambition to improve or challenge as long as they survive in the EPL and get Sly's cheque. They're nothing but scavangers hanging onto the coat tails of clubs like Utd for the scraps.}

The biggest advantage Madrid and Barca have is their direct TV deals.

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{Ed002's Note - That was one of the main discussion points at a meeting in Monaco at the end of August - but in relation to a pan European breakaway.}

25 Jan 2015 16:32:39
I know a few stoke fans who were at the old victoria ground all through the 90s who are getting priced out of games, 4 season tickets these days even with kids discounts is a fair whack. Don't forget stoke do have a bit of history in the game going back to Stanley Matthews. Sure they want to stay in the top flight, no one wants to see their team do a Wigan or a Portsmouth or even a rangers. A lot of them got sick of pulis and his style of play designed to just keep them up. And speaking to a few fans they have more ambition than just finishing 17th to cash in on tv money.

Look at a club like Southampton. Dropped to the 3rd division, rebuilt the club and now challenging for a European spot. Hardly suffering a lack of ambition ir just in it for the tv money.

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