Manchester United Banter Archive May 25 2013

25 May 2013 23:41:32
Very good game, tactical but much more open than I thought it would be. Schwienstieger Martinez and Muller were the key men for Bayern, all Bayern's attacks involved Muller, he made them tick. Once they get Kroos back and have Gotze next year they will be very hard to beat. All they need is another top centre back and they will have no weaknesses.

As for Dortmund, I feel gutted for them. They played well and didn't deserve to lose. If only Gotze was fit then that could have swung it their way. Leewandowski was a constant thorn in Bayerns side and Reus was very bright in the first half but faded in the second. I thought Dortmunds defending was very naive at times. Hummels got it all wrong when he needed to step up. But he has been a monster all season so everyone can have an off day. Gundogan was awesome but I think you need to look to his midfield partner Sven Bender to see why Gundogan was so good. Bender gave Gundogan the protection to have a free license in midfield. I think it goes to show how vital a holding player can be sometimes.

So what can we learn from this?

Well both teams have a very high work ethic along with top talent. This shows that we need to work harder in games as talent alone isn't enough to beat the best anymore.

The key to a top team is the midfield, without the brilliance of Schweinstieger and Martinez or the combination of Gundogan and Bender then neither team would have made it to the final. Both teams have a good defence and a dangerous attack, but its the midfield that brings it all together and allows them to dominate games.

We need to bring in two midfielders imo, a dynamic creative box to box player and a solid no nonsense defensive midfielder.

One of Witsel, Strootman or Gundogan for the box to box role, and one of Lars Bender, Wanyama or Capoue for the DM.

We already have a Bender in our side. And he's better at what he does. His name is Carrick. We just need someone with the drive and energy and the skilful passing to compliment him. Modric would be perfect for that.

Yeah if only Gotze was 'fit'. I have so much respect for the dignity Dortmund showed last night in their defeat even though they had a right to complain.
DHK

25 May 2013 22:43:18
The next few days will now consist of Dortmund fever haha. When in truth, Gundogan and co got outshone by Javi Martinez.

Gundogan would have been my man of the match behind Robben tbh {Ed004's Note - Martinez was mine}

25 May 2013 22:23:32
What would people think to instead of spending a tone on bale or Ronaldo we should launch a huge bid for lewy and gundogan

19JackC94

Don't need a huge bid. I think 45 mill will get it done.

I am intrigued to see who we buy as it is very quite and some of the stuff in the press is bs

Shahram

25 May 2013 21:49:45
Eds are we interested in gundogan he looks a decent cm? {Ed002's Note - Of course, and the other 21 players.}

25 May 2013 21:44:57
I don't care what people say but lewy was simply not looking interested in his natural play. Whatever touch he has made were great but there was no passion. no desire. no cl final enthusiasm. There is no way on earth bayern defence is that great to keep him totally quite. Does this mean he is en route to bayern?
Well played to bayern. Borussia midfield was simply out in the second half. they should have made early substitutions to cover exhausted bender and gundogan.
Rodio17

Elbowed by Ribery, stands on Boateng's achilles. Buries a great disallowed goal. I think he got stuck in tonight may. He also looked pretty distraught at the final whistle. He could well end up at BM, but I do not think tonight was any sort of indication that he will.

Sydney!

Sydney

I agree, have a sense we will see our activity pick up next week with him being headline news.

I think he will be the perfect striker for the PL and for our set up.

Shahram

Lewy looken uninterested but goetze was cheering like mad. I don't get it why did he move there then

25 May 2013 21:21:58
Just a bit of a conspiracy theory, lewandowski usually takes the pens for Dortmund but didn't tonight, Munich bound maybe!

Was think that, but then realised that they have many penalty takers in their team

I think, and it might be just me, that was because he missed one against Bayern 2 weeks ago in the league.

If he has allready agreed to sign for Munich it may raise a few eyebrows that he never took the penalty

25 May 2013 20:20:18
Lewandowski looking good as usual, just hope we replace him as quick as we can with rooney.


Singh

Shut up person, he's not in the same league as rooney, I take it you don't watch the game, get behind all Manchester United players, the lad's young and misled, you and the rest ot them so called utd fans should get behind the full squad and get over yourselves, if not go support somebody else you jerks.
BIGAL REDFOREVER

Your a piece of a joke, who you telling you to shut up. You must be blind to think he's not in the same league as rooney. you're actually right. Rooney isn't in the same league as lewandowski on current form.

Singh

Well look at who crawled out of the woodwork. Nice first post and real classy.

shahram

What kind of fan are you if you can't look at our team properly. We all support our team and the players we have but we all want the best for our team. You keep on supporting a player that held the club ransom and now wants out again. But I want call you jerk your just stupid.

25 May 2013 19:29:06
Barcelona must have some good negotiators, neymar for �28 mill is a great deal.
I know he is not everyone's cup of tea but I personally really rate this lad and I think he will fit in well at barce

Are you sure that's not 28m euros for part of his ownership? If it's 28m euros for 100% of his ownership then that's cheap.

Sydney!

He only has a year left on his contract. So he was never going to cost 50m euros I guess. I didn't even realise he has one year left on his current deal.

Sydney!

His contract ends next season, that price isn't cheap!

It is only a part deal. 28 million to santos and there is another company who owns 40% of his rights. I think it will work out to something like 60 to 65 million pounds by the time it is all said and done.

Shahram

Sharham
are you sure about that, I read that earlier in the day but not sure it's true

It is true and I read that last year but did not know who the company was.

There seems to be a lot of part ownership stuff when it comes to south american players. On anothe note, read the Peter Kenyon and his company that he is partners in has a part ownership in Falcao as they financed his move to AM a few years ago. Also looks like Falcao to Monaco is happening, these gusy are a trip, reminds me of Chelsea a few years ago LOL

If you look at the fee being quoted there is no way that could be the total cost as he is the poster boy of brazilian football and look at what Moura went for who was not even starting for Brazil last year.

Shahram

Sharham it depends, if he is in the last year of his contract 28 mill for 50% of a player with only 1 year on his contract seems excessive.
On falcao I read there is an agreement that the people who own 50% of him are cashing in and he will be sold to the highest bidder irrespective of what the player or madrid want.
Strictly business

25 May 2013 18:34:34
Who are the prefered and possible assistant manager candidates? And what are the criterias you guys deem as vital?. would the candidates be rene for stability and familiarity with current set up, gary to continue the tradition of former players in the coaching set up, the return of carlos quieriz or some surprise choice?
My preferance would be rene. Think its vital and an advantage if the assistant has premiership coaching experience and renes link with the current squad would in an ideal world provide moyes a smoother transition in dealing with them on his tactical ideas, training drills and set up, disciplinary conduct etc.
Mancunian dream

I would like it to be Quieroz with Meulensteen still having an important role. Quieroz is ideal as he knows the club and is very tactically astute. Tactics is going to be the most important role for the assistance manager, this is why I don't want Round. Phil Neville would be a good backfroom staff member, as well as Scholes. Talk of Giggs being in there as well.

Typo error on my part. quieroz return would be massive as he brings with him immense experience and know how. But I doubt he is a candidate. Scholesy should return to the youth or reserve team coaching set up.
Its great that our former players are rewarded and promoted to the coaching set up. Their talent, dedication to training and improving as footballers and loyalty to united would make them perfect for the next generation to learn from.
Mancunian dream

25 May 2013 17:26:19
Reliable sources understands that Manchester united are speaking with Barcelona about the possibility of thiago alcantara and want the deal to be completed before the end of next week. Also, d sources confirmed Man United has made contact with Real for Ronaldo, it is believed that Ronaldo is going to ask out of Real madrid next week.
Interesting week ahead. Chidubem

We''ll see what happens next week then.
DHK

25 May 2013 16:25:23
Hearing a lot of talk about Marco Veratti, is there any real interest from United? Seems a talented lad.

25 May 2013 16:46:39
Great young player, but would cost a lot of money and for me at least he doesn't stand out as a David Moyes signing. Although I hope Moyes proves me wrong and that his previous signings and tactics were budget related.

25 May 2013 15:34:24
If we miss out on Lewandowski then I would like to see Angelo Henriquez get some first team game time instead. He is a super talent who has been wasted in his loan to Wigan imo. He should be given a chance.

He has to prove that he's good enough yet, in training for Wigan he obviously hasn't proven he's worth a start

The boy has a point Shappy. If Martinez wasn't picking him for Wigan, he can't have been impressing him much in training. I think it's a bit soon for him

25 May 2013 16:40:19
At Wigan he wasn't given a real chance as they had their backs to the wall and decided experiance was needed to get the points to survive. Ultimately they didn't though. Martinez speaks very highly of Angelo, and has said he wished he could have given him more playing time.

He has scored on nearly all of his debuts both domestically and internationally.

He is strong, quick, has clever movement and is very composed infront of goal.

I expect him to be involved in the pre season tour. And I think he would do better to continue his development at OT at least for the first half of next season.

Not even close to a starting spot for united, we miss out on lewindawski and put henriques in instead? What kind of statement is that putting out?

Not as a first choice starter but to be forth choice behind RvP Hernandez and Welbeck.

25 May 2013 20:37:15
Because of Kones form after the African Cup.

25 May 2013 15:05:15
I think we will sign only two players and them two players will be young and have great potential

Another thing with moyes he doesn't like players to be out of shape so there maybe hope for Anderson and Rooney and for nani to learn to work hard and be consistent!

you can call me stupid but I remember big Vic being out of shape and injured a lot and look he's playing week in week out now!

I really believe it will be moyes way or no way and you will see the players that don't want to work and train hard leave

Personally Rooney could leave but I don't think it would hit us hard as many think as moyes likes 100% all over the pitch, I did always feel under fergie we was lazy at times although fergie is god and new what he was doing

Preferred to buys : Strootman and Eduardo salvio

When you're looking for 100% on the pitch, Rooney gives more than most. I think strootman is a possibility, but if your buys come true, then do not expect to finish in top four next year, we need two midfielders, attacker, and center half.

Why on Earth do we need a Centre half? Rio, Vidic, Evans, Jones, Smalling, I think we're pretty well covered there. {Ed004's Note - Michael Keane!}

25 May 2013 16:54:26
Why do we need a centre half?

25 May 2013 14:26:22
Hi Edds, jus want to know who is our most likely signing in the summer? Thanks

HV {Ed004's Note - Strootman or Di Maria}

25 May 2013 12:23:30
What do you guys think about our inability to attract the top players excluding RVP, Lewy is probly going to Munich, with Munich, Barca and Madrid competing for the top stars and City, Chelsea, PSG. And now Monaco all willing to throw cash at players, do you think we will ever sign a top class player?

25 May 2013 12:37:29
God panicking much are we? Window isn't even open yet. What top clubs were in for Moutinho and Rodriguez? None officially. No one was prepared to pay that for two players unproven outside the B league that is Portugal. Nothing is official on Lewandowski yet and we won't be in for striker anyway unless we shift one, for example Rooney. MrE

Talk about pessimism. just because we are linked with certain players doesn't mean we are actually interested, otherwise we would be signing 10 plus players every transfer window. also we have no divine right to have first option on every player and expect them to join us, there are lots of factors that are taken into consideration before any player signs for any club. surely the players we do sign actually want to play for our club and that can only be a good thing right? and it also doesn't mean that the aforementioned clubs are going to achieve all their targets as well. jeeze this really is the crazy part of the season where people lose all sense of perspective. relax. players still want to play at one of the most successful clubs in the world

"Excluding RVP". De Gea is not top class. Bundesliga player of the season before last summer, not top class. Jones (wanted by a lot of top teams in the premier league) not top class.

I must say i'm very sad that we haven't signed any "top class players".

REDFAITH

So you're basically saying we can't attract top players? Except the one we signed last year?
anyway we signed to top class players last season

I think we will sign about 3-4 players this summer to strengthen our weak areas and 1 of them will be a top player. We shouldn't worry about signing top names. If United is interested in one, it will go all out for him no matter how many other teams are interested. We didn't go for Rodriguez or Moutinho, then we weren't interested so much about them. I have a feeling we have already agreed to sing a player, maybe Strootman, and we will anounce it later on.

Nicolas_United

Really starting to get a little concerned now regarding transfers in. I know that the season has only just finished but other clubs have already started to strengthen for the future. Had hoped that so call plans that where made in the transfer markets over the past number of months would be wrapped up quickly and that Sir Alexs retirement would not hamper them but now am not sure. I hope and pray that we don't loose out on the better players while our competitors tie up deals for them. Maybe Lewa might suprise us and announce that he will sign for us after 2nights game. As for Bale we should be pushing the boat out for him big time as its only a matter of time before some one else snaps him up. The present squad won't be good enough for next season so Moyes should be pushing for the board to go out and get quality players now, he won't have a better opportunity to get them to spend big as he will in his first season.
Red Paddy

25 May 2013 13:04:12
Why can't we compete for top stars who says we need to? Fergies era was to try make players in to stars why do we need to go pay players 200k a week and there agents 6m in fees to just want out when more money comes we attract players that want to play for us! Yes we would all love big names but some of the best players in the world have played for us! Its not a inabillity its players self importance! Look at hazard revealed his transfer over twitter! there's to many prima donnas these days ie rooney that thing therethe best thing since sliced bread but don't want to work hard to prove it! Why do we want that?
Red dev

My understanding of top class would be 1. Talented youngsters who are in the top tiers of their position in world football within their age group. 2 years ago we signed the highly rated in spain de gea.
2. World class footballers who have performed week in week out in top league and in europe. in this bracket we have robin and arguably shinji who did bag the 2012 player of the year.
Yes, we had dissapointment with hazard and moura but I think uniteds heritage and history, thus far non volatile management, decent pay package could still be a factor in signing
top players.
Mancunian dream

25 May 2013 11:26:42
And so it begins the little stories in the press about Moyes wanting Rooney to stay. Gill predicting he will see Rooney at OT next season. This is just the way Stretford wants it to play out. The next thing will be the new contract and Rooney saying he never wanted to leave and he would like to stay at OT for the rest of his career. Remember Sir Alex came out and said Rooney had asked to leave the club. Surely there isn't one of you out there stupid enough to fall for this again. Who does he think he is. Does he not think we can do without him. How will he turn up after this summer break how overweight will he be. Moyes would have won everyones support if he had walked in and said that he doesn't want anyone who doesn't want to play for the shirt. Tevez must be looking over and thinking I was lucky to get away with my golf trip but this is just taking the p155.

Totally agree Kloot. Making a joke of our club.

If he stays it will go against everything the clubs stands for. Think of all the players that were forced to leave because they went against fergies wishes. I don't even care if he goes to another British team. let's just rid and get players in who would love to play for our great club.

Joe. a

I don't know if you bother to read what your fellow posters actually post on here, but I think the majority of us "aren't stupid enough to fall for this again"

Myself I want him sold, I think he's holding back the development of the team and I will be disappointed come 1st September if he's still here.

I think many on here would agree.

Some will disagree, that's their opinion.

But don't come on here basically calling us all thick, when this whole argument has been raging for 2-3 weeks with most of us wanting him gone for various reasons.

Now if the management is that daft that's a different issue.

The fact that he has asked for a transfer really makes the decision quite simple. I don't believe the club for one minute will allow him to make a mockery out of us and David Gill's statement is nothing but a negotiating thing and to make a point to the player and potential suitors. I would be grossly disappointed if he is still here come September and truly believe he will be worse next year than this year.

For those of you who want to believe he is innocent, with all the press reports, he can come out and deny it but he is staying silent on the issue, which in my mind confirms what SAF said.

Shahram

Kloot if he stay, will you go with so much negativity all season?

Can't see this feeling helping us create good environment for the new challenge under Moyes. Some people can be easy to turn into your very very sad way of thinking.

C'Mon go out and relax

JLBER84

You come up with the same rant every few days! All signs point to him leaving. If he signs a new contract, then you can moan all you want. Right now, he is set to be sold.

Mumbles

Yeah, let's sell him to Chelsea and watch them win the league at a trot next year! I can't believe what I'm reading, we have rvp and Rooney as our strikers, that's when he's not being played, in the hole, on the left, on the right, in midfield, so why not wait to see what Moyes does and I'm sure if he plays him in his proper position, then we'll have a fantastic player.
If we sell him, who don't suggest we buy to replace him?

25 May 2013 08:21:47
I believe we will sign no players of great note. young players with potential I believe will be heading for old Trafford along with zaha. if we are close to agreeing a fee with a club then city and Chelsea will gazump us just like robben, essien, silva, nasri. if we offer £120000 a week they will go £170000. I truly hope the lewandowski's and strootmans of this world look at RVP and his desire to win trophys above all else and follow his example. I think it will take only one early stella name for others to follow suit. I hope that name is lewandowski but I see him joining Bayern as much as Dortmund would like to avoid that. I think the lads saying we will be signing bale, Ronaldo, lewandownski, stootman, thiago all at one go play too much football manager. i'd happily take just one of them, which would be bale bytheway.

Lewys agents are attending Bayerns after match party in the Grovesnor tonight sad to say.
Dylan

Bale or Ronaldo and Fellaini that's all we need if Rooney goes I would not be surprised if the henriquez given a chance on tour he's a special talent
Dylan

Chelsea supporter here, I also think that if Man Utd want a player then because of your history most players would choose you over anyone else. The ones that don't probably go to another club because of the money and not footballing reasons, would you really want those players. Dave

I am not too bothered by the Rodriguez switch as I don't believe we were ever interested at the price porto wanted and glad we did not go to stupid lengths in terms of a fee as I have stated never never a player worth 35 million.

I see a lot of people are being pessimistic before even the window has opened. Who cares where Cavani or Falcao are going as we have never been interested in them. The only striker I would be disappointed to lose out is Lewandowski and that is a long way away from being settled with Rooney going as a certainty.

Let's go back to basics and if we get ourselves 2 good cm and a right winger, I think we will still have a formidable squad.



Shahram

25 May 2013 11:04:43
Man U have the highest wagebill with Rooney and RVP the EPL's top earners!

No united don't have the highest wage bill. Chelsea have a higher bill and City have by far the highest wage bill in the league. Plus if you think that we're paying Rooney and RVP more money that Yaya and Agureo, you're off your rocker.

Danny Pughnited

25 May 2013 11:34:55
Thats not quite true no name, I think you'll find Yaya Toure is the biggest earner. Tevez and Aguero are up there too. United do have a large wage bill but when you look the wage to turnover ratio its one of the lowest in the premier league.

Are you mad, highest wage bill pah!

Man City have a much higher playing staff wage bill, and Aguero and Toure earn more than Rooney and Robin.

25 May 2013 07:54:57
Hi ed - can you shed any light on this? I understand by the posts rumours etc we are interested in di Maria, baines, strootman, lewandoski, thiago and fellani. Are we looking to bring this amount of players in or do you expect it to be more like 2-3 plus zaha?

Thanks Charlie {Ed002's Note - It will likely be between the two.}

It's two if Rooney stays 3 if not.
Dylan

Dylan

We will see 4 to 5 players total coming in this summer. Maybe not all marquee names but will see some surprises along with some established names.

Shahram

25 May 2013 07:51:52
Reports suggest that Santos have accepted 2 bids for Neymar. Do we know who the 2 teams are? {Ed002's Note - It is not quite as simple as that but there are offers on the table from both Real Madrid and Barcelona. There would still be some considerable negotiation to be done but Santos has been pushed in to a corner and will almost certainly need to sell this summer. Santos are expecting a further offer this weekend.}

Just read that. Ed002 is the 35 million figure true. I thought this guy had one of those crazy price tags on him. Who else is putting in a bid. Bayern or Chelsea?

Shahram {Ed002's Note - Forget the money, there is zero point in discussing it.}

25 May 2013 10:54:39
Ed in your opinion which one is he most likely to sign for? Both clubs would probably make some room for him. {Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get dragged in to this. If I say a club and he doesn't sign for them it results in abuse. It really is not worth sharing too much on this page any longer.}

Well done to all the persons out there, when the Ed's can't put forward an opinion because of knobheads.

Well that's sad, people can't just respect your professional opinion then Ed, it's a shame because my favourite posts are the ones you guys comment on! #disappointed!

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD

Shahram {Ed002's Note - There has been a lot of abuse that did not get posted - including much for me not predicting SAF resigning. I have no interest in getting more abuse and will very much be limiting what I post on this page.}

I can see Neymar going to Barcelona, because he has mentioned his desire to play along side Messi.

-JakeW

Jake

It would be quite interesting to see how he does in Barca's system. He likes to play on the wings and Barca if anything play through the middle quite a bit and their wingers are not very effective. I also wonder how he will do against better competition and a much more physical pressing game.

Shahram

Sorry to hear that Ed.

Basically robs this page of its original purpose!

Especially with SAF, I can't blame you. I doubt anyone was actually seriously thinking he would resign this summer.
I thought he might until Gill announced he's resigning.
I was positive SAF would then stay on to keep the "turmoil" at the club to a minimum and make sure of a smooth transition.
Actually quite shocked to see the two most important posts at United being reassigned at one go.

I was always looking out for your opinion, as you seem to know more then we do.

Thanks for that and hope you'll find the joy of sharing your secrets with us again.

25 May 2013 07:36:12
David Gill says "I'm confident when I sit at Old Trafford next season I'll see Wayne Rooney running out".
Interesting that he doesn't say that Rooney will run out wearing a Utd shirt!

The things some people come up with is insane. So you mean Gill's confident Rooney will survive another year?

No, Gill is hedging his bets!

25 May 2013 01:08:24
Okey! let's be practical on the current situation!

Though we have talked a lot about our potential signings and other hoaxes, its time to open our eyes seriously!

With the signing of James Rodriguez to porto, it becomes clear either Di Maria or Nico Gaitan are the real contenders now!

In the mid field, it might be Kevin Strootman or Maroune Fellaini. But most likely it would be the giant belgian.

Thats what I think going to be our short summer signings! CM and a LW. And might be a small buy around £5m.
I hardly see more than 3 signins pathetically.

WJ Here!

It's hard to speculate, but I would argue that Moyes will have a list of:

Shaw or Baines, Strootman, Fellaini, Gundogan, Thiago, Bale, Di Maria or Gaitan and Lewandowski. As to who we go and get then who knows. The good news though is that we do seen to be working on our weak areas: left back, central midfield and left wing in particular.

WJ I agree. It seems that the transfer window is irrelevant as all agreements are made way before it opens. Either we didn't target the likes of Gotze or Rodriguez or we did but as usual act to slowly. Our list of targets is dwindling, if Lewandowski signs for Bayern that's another one we "half heartedly" went for. Like Torres, Sanchez, Modric, Sneijder, Ozil, Lucas Moura, Hazard. I know some followed the money etc but it seems we never go all out to get anyone anymore. RVP aside we haven't really "won" a race for a player. So far we have been linked rightly or wrongly with Falcao, Lewandowski, Ronaldo, Bale, Di Maria, Strootman, Gaitan, Fellaini, Baines. We would all love to see one of the first 4 arrive but realistically we will be in for any of the others as long as we don't have competition for their signature.

Sambo

Sam, is that your real name? If so fair enough, but if not, it might be seen as a racially offensive word.

Are you referring to the little character in the stories? Well I'm called Sam and I'm nicknamed sambo. If that causes offence then I apologise

Sam

25 May 2013 00:02:01
Very surprised Eric Steele has been allowed to leave United. Very influential in De Gea's substantial development during last season.

I understand Moyes wants his own people around him, but I'm not sure this was a great decision. I hope he knows what he's doing!

25 May 2013 07:42:06
He wad always likely to leave this summer regardless. His contract was up and he is retiring. This has been in the pipe line for over a year now. I wish him well. Chris Woods looks likely to take over now although i'd prefer Big Pete, but maybe someone more experianced at coaching and someone who Moyes is familar with is the better option.