Manchester United Banter Archive September 25 2013

 

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25 Sep 2013 23:06:34
hi dodgybanter sorry did not see the post before now, I think we will win I was thinking maybe by 3 goals mate but we almost got 3, to bad we won 1-0:) and caolan_2 good 2 hear u are fine mate, i'm going to go and buy fifa14 tomorrow so we need 2 play some games mate :) blood red summer mate no i'm superman fan mate, i'm fan of the new 52 series with justice league and I read a lot of comic books from the states mate and love the game injustice gods among us, it's a good fighting game, have u tried it? have a good night guy's zee:)

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25 Sep 2013 22:55:13
Positives to be taken from the game.
De Gea played well, had a few smart saves to make. Good solid display at the back, Good partnership with Evans and Smalling, Great to have Rafael back, He offers a lot going forward while being good defensively. Buttner was ok, got himself caught out at times but tried to put in a few crosses and was an outlet when going forward.
Jones played well as a strong CM with good covering challenges in front of the back four. Giggs seemed up for it but can be a liability at times. Nice to see kagawa, Nani and Hernandez get game time. All 3 seemed rusty and clearly need game time, great movement and feet by Chicarito for the goal. Rooney seemed to be enjoying himself and played well as Captain.
Happy that januzaj got game time, Hopefully Zaha and Adnan can force their way into the team ahead of Ashley young as he is dire. A very good night for the lads and Moyes but this needs to be built upon and we need a string of wins in the league to keep us in contention and show we are still a force.

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25 Sep 2013 22:45:39
A predictable one nil score line and what a similarity to the game there, a corner early in a half before the defence settled bringing the only goal in what was almost a must win after Sundays debacle. Still another game where we haven't scored an outfield goal.

There were some good points, Evans had a good game and showed there are options beyond Rio although for me Jones is the real player. Jones and Rooney had good games as well but no one really had a special game or was it that no one is special. Good piece of management to make Rooney captain and he still puts everything in. It still showed where our midfield is when Rooney had to drop deep right in front of our defence at times. Nani still as frustrating as ever, he needs to get his head over the ball when shooting as he does when taking free kicks, corners and crosses as he hits the first man, again and again. I do watch Giggs and wonder is that the best we can do, but given he played in midfield the likes of Anderson must know his time is up. A mention to Buttner who has come on a little since last season.

We needed that result more than them and it showed, still too tight really and we didn't impose ourselves anywhere near enough but it is a win and we must build on it. I see Moyes recognises we need improvements to the first team not the squad and it is obvious really. A hard fought win does not hide the lack of that special player, whether one is available in January is completely another matter. If he is thinking Baines and Herrera it won't be enough, you can see from every game that we need a special player. That is for January or more likely summer depending on the owners generosity.

Still good to beat them and see the pressure relieved on the manager for now and then a home draw in a competition that might give us our best chance of a trophy this season.

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Well at least the sun is shining where I am this morning, lifes not that bad

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25 Sep 2013 22:40:56
Well a win is a win. Not brilliant tonight, but a decent result given the weekend side, and certainly an improvement on Sunday. My main disappointment is Kagawa being played out of position yet again. I have given Moyes my full support so far, and will continue to do so. He needs to be given the time and patience to develop his own team and way of playing. However, the world and his dog can see that we lack creativity going forwards, both from wide areas and through the middle. Kagawa has more skill and vision, a better touch and technique than any other player in our squad. But we only "accomodate" him in a position where he does not look comfortable. We should, in my opinion at least, build our team around a player like Kagawa, not just try to fit him in. He shows flashes of what he is capable of, moments os brillance. Bet then he is out of the game again for another 10 minutes. We should cherish a player of his ability, use him where he is best and we will see a top player I am sure.
If I was lucky enough to own a Bentley I would drive it. Not leave it in the garage and drive my old Ford Escort around town!
Please Mr.Moyes, give The boy a chance.

Sorry about the "Cantona-esque" moment!

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25 Sep 2013 23:08:36
good post betty it was a good read :) zee

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Kagawa will not play as a number 10 because that is where rooney likes to play and will upset the apple card. It is very difficult to play Kagawa, Rooney, RVP in the same lineup unless we go to a diamond formation. It seems Moyes is going to stick with 442 and just keep changing personel until he finds his ideal first 11 for that formation.

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GcU, a valid point, but why not at least try playing them together? We lack creativity, no question. But why try to fit players into a formation that is not working for us? Why not try using a formation that suits the players we have instead. Our wide players are not doing the job that they are there to do, but we do have quality in our squad. I know Rooney is best in the "10" position, but he almost plays a "free role" as he is all over the pitch. Last season, Chelsea for the later part of the season played with Hazard, Mata and Oscar behind the striker and they looked very dangerous. I know we are not Chelsea, and don't wish us to be but they are just an example of how I think we should play. Or at least give it a go. I have said on here before that I really think we have the players to play that kind of formation very effectively. 442 has its place, don't get me wrong, but the game has moved on. Take any of the top sides in world football and see if they stick to a rigid, outdated formation. I cannot name even one.

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Betty

What do you want Moyes to do with him. He is nowhere near as good a player of Rooney and that is Kagawa's preferred position.
You can't be serious when you say Kagawa has more skill and vision than Rooney.
The only way to accomadate him is to drop Rooney or drop RVP.
Wayne Rooney on form is one of the top players in Europe, he creates goals, he scores goals, he tackles back and his touch his brilliant and in my opinion he is still the main man at United.
It's unfortunate for Kagawa but I would take Rooney over Kagawa anyday of the week.
I can't really see Kagawa at United at the start of next year, in my opinion he just doesn't fit into our system and I think he will be sold at the end of the season.
Shinji is lacking in confidence big time and I think a move away would be best from his presonal point of viewto get his career back on track.

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Play Kagawa Rooney and Nani behind RVP, its that straight forward. I'm not a fan of the phrase "inverted winger", its just a modernism, a fancy name. But it is a position that nearly all top teams utilise, and one where Kagawa and Nani would excell, while also allowing to play Rooney where he is best. Kagawa plays there for Japan and often did for Dortmund to great effect. Just my opinion, we 442 has had its dad. Moreover, our wingers aren't food enough to play it anymore.

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Betty

He needs to play central.
He was playing in a three behind Hernandez last night and he struggled.
Im with you, I really want this guy to fulfill his potential at United because I do belive he is a good player but I just don't think it's going to work.
He looks unhappy and has no confidence. Just my opinion but I think that the game is to fast and physical for him.
It's completely different playing in Germany, there are only two decent sides in that league and it's a lot slower and less physical.
I think Shinji will ask for a move come the end of the season because I can't see him playing in the big games, especially if Moyes brings in more players in January which he said he is going to do.

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I think we'll have to agree to differ mate. Opinions vary, but it would be a travesty if a player on Kagawa's ability couldn't find a place in a team who is clearly lacking creativity. A team where players like Ashley Young can.

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Betty

I agree with you in playing all 3, but Kagawa on the left is not as effective as he would be in a central role. That means moving Rooney out to the wings and he hates it there and not very happy. That is why Moyes goes to Welbeck on the left, which I hate.

REMEMBER it is all about keeping Wayne happy at the moment.

It is debatable, who would be better playing the number 10 as Kagawa has not been given a chance of playing there for a long stretches of games/starts where Rooney has.

I personally think he is a better operator in tight spaces and is extremely intelligent and if you have people running off of him will find you and is better than Rooney and makes quicker decisions. However our midfielders rarely make runs into the box, which I think is what you need to bring the best out of kagawa.

He did a couple of things yesterday that were so cool and sublime and done with ease that no on else in the squad can do.

Unfortunately if you had to pick the worst time to join Manchester united, he probably has. The Rooney situation makes it difficult for the manager and his options.

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God

So you would seriously sacrifice Rooney for Kagawa?
A player that hasn't proven anything in this league over a player that has scored over 200 goals for United, created countless chances for other players and who basically is a better player and has a better all round game?
Ive heard it all now, I really can't understant this infactuation with Kagawa. Yes he is talented but your now saying drop Rooney out to the wings.
You are out of your mind!

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Rooney HAS to play in the hole ahead of Kagawa in the must win games. If RvP isn't fit then I would try Rooney as the main striker with Kagawa in the hole. But in the big games "right now" Rooney has to play as he is playing well. Kagawa is wasted playing anywhere but behind the main striker which is why I see him leaving in the summer. That is all fine and well as long as we use him to get a top quality player that plays in a position we need to strengthen.

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GcU, you again raise a fair point about who should play more central and who left. But the great advantage of playing a 4231 is that the "3" are all interchangeable, more fluid. Even when we play with 4 across the middle, you will often see Rooney wide left, cutting inside onto his right foot. Kagawa Rooney and Nani as the "3" would offer so much more than 2 traditional wingers hugging the touchline. Our wingers aren't good enough to play 442, and Carrick and Fellaini, although both good players are not "box to box" players which is what is needed for that formation. This is just my opinion though, and as I said to Simmo earlier, opinions vary. Have a nice day.

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Simmo

You have been a staunch supporter of Wayne Rooney no matter what.

Your argument of kagawa proven nothing is not valid as he proved that in Germany for a team that by all acconts is top european power.

Many people love Klop and rate him so highly and wanted him as our manager, needles to say what he thinks of Kagawa and has publicly come out and said we are wasting this guy.

BTW he got to show what he can do at Dortmund, when Goetze got injured for an extended period and he got a run of games as he was in the same situation there being behind Goetze and was not getting enough game time.

Even When Goetze came back they moved Goetze out left to keep kagawa in that central role.

You have to play regularly to be able to settle in. Based on your theory 70 percent of this squad should be gone because most have had terrible periods when they first started but have played through it because they get games.

You can only make that statement if the guy gets a half season on a regular basis in that position and is no good.

In Kagawa's case he has not been afforded that luxury. How many games do players like Welbeck, young, valencia get before people throw in the towel, I am still counting.

He is very different to Rooney and believe it or not would suit many of the top clubs, you will be surprised how many top sides will come in for him if he decides to leave.

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25 Sep 2013 22:39:53
Ruudinthemood
With regards to my comment that smalling is like Ferdinand well he is in the fact that they both lack concentration
And yes I'm a utd fan over 35 years thanks and you 2 years?

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Get over yourself, just because you have supported united longer than most doesn't mean you know more or that your opinion is better than someone else's or that you're a better fan.

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JK Agree in part. I've supported United for 58 years, so I understand Draig may know a little more than most, but spot on with the opinion. We are all equal here and respect should be given for all posts. We may not agree but its still nice to read others opinions. even if some are stupid :-)

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25 Sep 2013 22:24:08
well guy's we played good should have got atleast 4 goals but was happy 2 see moyes win this game look's like we have good young players, 2 bad kawaga didn't got a goal neither did rooney liverpool where kucky they lost the game 1-0, I think I so moyes shead a tear after the game or it did look like it anyway good game.hope he use some of the youngsters in the next game, good night guy's :) its fifa14 time tomorrow, hope they have made kawaga good cheers, ggmu:)

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25 Sep 2013 22:02:02
Hi all, don't post often but was really disappointed with Martin Tyler's commentary tonight on Sly, very biased towards Liverpool and Suarez in particular! Or was it just me!?

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Sounded like he and Smithy were having a little special time there, the way they drooled over the scousers 'SAS'

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Glad i'm not the only one who noticed. I don't know about being biased towards Liverpool but he certainly seemed to take issue with United on several occasions which I found unnecessary.

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25 Sep 2013 22:21:21
Watched the game tonight, okay overall, need more games for the new guys to get established. But I thought Giggs was superb tonight, he won't get picked every game, nor should he, but he did not look out of place tonight. Much more solid with Jones as a DM. Nani sharper but still too wasteful. Kagawa good in parts needs more game time. Rooney another positive performance. Good to see Rafael back, Buttner not as good as Evra going forward but less risky at the back. Much more solid with Smalling and Evans. As much as I love Rio as a footballer, he needs to be playing less this season.
Some excellent movement throughout, and despite the pressure most of their chances were from distance.
Substitutions, had to be made so can't read too much into those.

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25 Sep 2013 22:19:49
Message to arg. Get a grip you should take your rose tinted glasses off mate. It's about winning I'm a utd fan as is all my family have been for 35 years and am disillusioned by our manager. So now we have to listen to just what you say no one else can have an opinion. Your not a true fan if you accept our recent style of play and our line up.

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Disillusioned already with the manager. Thanks for you loyal support.

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Dad what are you doing here? {Ed007's Note - Let it go buddy, your mam was lying, sorry.}

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A true fan accepts whatever style or players that go with the shirt.
A fair weather fan supports in the good times and runs a mile in the bad times.

I'm not saying we're at those extremes but just putting a more realistic definition on tje meaning of true fan.

Pfff.

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25 Sep 2013 22:11:05
I still honk some of moyes desecions are mad. Why play lags left wing. Play him down the middle.
Start with januzi next game kags and carrick centre mid. Rooney behind RVP and Chicarito Evans and vidic at back butner and rafa at full back

Don't need def midfield just keep the ball that's what barca do. We would score bags of goals

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25 Sep 2013 22:35:51
we should have scored atleast 4 goals, good post and agree with your team selection hope moyes plays with it :)

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Thank Fergy you are not our manager, Kags and Carrick centre mid would be walked over by good teams.

Oh, and the Japanese manager plays Kags left inverted winger, so Honda can play in Rooney's role. Works well.

Finally, some of the rubbish you spout on here makes me think you spelt your name wrong?

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And we would concede bags of goals too.

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25 Sep 2013 23:14:24
btw dodgybanter read your post so I have sent a post it will come soon mate:)i saw your post now so coulden't answer before now mate.

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25 Sep 2013 23:11:41
but kags behind rooney and persie and carrick or jones together :)

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"Don't need def midfield just keep the ball that's what barca do"

Yes that is what Barca do, you're right there. Have you ever heard of Sergio Busquets and do you know what position he plays?

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Do carrick and Kags look like Iniesta and Xavi/Febragas to you guys?

Barca can play that style because those guys are so good technically and can operate in such small spaces and still hold the ball and make telling passes.

Need the personnel to play barca style and that is why they are the only team in world football, who can play that way. They are also deceivingly fast and positionally brilliant and don't see many players turning them and leaving them for pace, Fabragas and Iniesta that is and when beaten then there is Busquet as someone pointed out that mops things up.

Having watched Jones last night, I think Moyes made a mistake of not playing Jones, Carrick, Fellaini/Cleverly as a midfield 3 in the City game in a 451. We would have had a lot better chance of being competitive that way than how we were set up.

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25 Sep 2013 22:09:21
We get Norwich City at home next round, hopefully we will see more youth in that game. I though for sure we would get City or Chelsea away.

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25 Sep 2013 21:48:11
Personally thought Wayne showed just why he should have captained the team, best player out there again tonight very mature performance. Thought Smalling and Evans did very well too and so glad to have Rafa back! Buttner had a relatively good game, better second half likewise with Kagawa although he needs more game time. Looks much better centrally as well. Good to see Chica score again! Nani and giggs were alright at times. Thought big Phil put in a good defensive display. De Gea madness some brilliant saves. Good to get the win above all!

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Lol, so that's everyone then Oz?

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So relieved with the win!
Nothing special, but defensively we held firm - Smalling had a good 'un, Evans too for his first game back. Buttner - not our level but he's enthusiastic so I get behind him.

Kagawa will benefit from gametime. Nani is still the most frustrating, over-rated 'big name' winger on the planet. Gutted with that.

We CANNOT sell Hernandez. He loves being here, plays with heart on sleeve and is a goal waiting to happen, lovely finish.

Bring on Norwich, play Zaha, Januzaj and co and let's keep moving up a gear.

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He is inspired right now isen't he? The fire in his belly is well truly and on. He looks the most commited player on the pitch for us. Happy for him, I am happier for the club! Long may it continue. His stats look monstrous already.

Deeps.

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25 Sep 2013 22:43:17
nani did ok guy's, he just need more game time just let him have it before we jugde him i'm sick and tired with negative stuff it has crushed me so from now on I wanna smile and live happy don't forget life is short, we will get all the time 2 be negative after this life or total darkness, good night ;)

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AJH there wasn't really much for me to say about Adnan or Carrick.

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Have to agree with whom I think is Zee (thenew52). Nani had a good game tonight. A few wayward crosses/passes but he needs game time to get him back to his best. We all allow our top players a few games grace at the start of the season/after injury to get match fit. Then when it comes to the interchangeable players in the squad we have a very short patience.

On to Kagawa well he was looking so uncomfortable out on the left and I was annoying my fellow viewers by constantly talking about how I would rather push Rooney out wide, with the team selection out there. He was player of the year in consecutive years whilst playing that position for Dortmund and so when one of RVP or Rooney are missing he should be playing behind the remaining striker. With a view to him making the position his own by the start of next season.

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I agree el paso frustrates me

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25 Sep 2013 21:47:42
Considering Liverpool were at full strength,, United did well. Lots of players in the United team were there to give them a run and rotate the team. But why still no Zaha? He couldn't have been as bad as Nani. Something to build on maybe?

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Oz seems to think Nani was alright

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Good point, where is Zaha? He's not even making the bench.

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AJH he was a damn sight better than Young the other night. At least he made forward passes, obviously lacking match fitness/sharpness but it doesn't take an person to see he was more willing to attack than either Young or Valencia.

Zaha is a great young talent but Januzaj was always going to get the nod ahead of him if a young inexperienced player was to be brought on. We were only 1-0 up and Adnan is much better at keeping possession than Zaha.

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Whats with all this anti Nani stuff. He had a good game tonight. He troubled the defense and offered something different than "one trick Pony" Valencia or Ashley Young. I know he can be frustrating at times but he can be a game winner.Lets get behind him

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I agree Bullseye50, we haven't seen the worst of him. and beside we have 5 more years to see. oh god.

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25 Sep 2013 21:46:03
Only managed to catch the last half hour, seemed a good game with plenty of chances, missed the goal. Was glad to see Nani & Kagawa starting on the wings, they are our strongest two in my opinion. Also delighted to see Januzaj come on. Rooney looked well involved and had a couple of efforts - seemed to be a good performance all round, apologies if the first hour wasn't good but I can't comment!

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Hey Fresh

I enjoyed the game - it was scrappy at times but we played with pace and passion, things sadly lacking at the weekend. Not sure about Nani though, I thought he was poor throughout. Kagawa needs a run but seems to lack confidence. He needs to get hold of the ball and go looking for it. Hugely talented, just needs to settle in

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25 Sep 2013 21:40:31
Good idea to make Rooney captain. He is probably our most important player and we need to feed his ego otherwise he will sulk and eat to many pork pies followed by spotted dick and custard.

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25 Sep 2013 21:37:32
Nani was poor as ever. but guess he hasn't played much. giggs slow, but always up for it.

Is Zaha really that bad that he can't even get a game off the bench?!

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Nozz

Giggs may have been slow but he played very well. Not sure he should have played at all but he did well

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Jones had to work really, really, really hard to cover for Giggs lack of defensive presence.

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25 Sep 2013 21:14:26
Good prediction by Ste that Chicharito dead set to score.

Some people suggest that this is a weak team, however other than RVP for Giggs, this is the basis of the "team of the future" bequeathed by SAF to David Moyes. {Ed004's Note - No, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Carrick, Fellaini, possibly Valencia though prefer Nani and of course RVP there's minimum 6 players plus it was Rafaels first game back and Rooney seemed a bit tired at times}

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Missing the point Peashooter. This is a completely different team to the one that will play Saturday and played on Sunday. Moyes will play his strongest team in the League games. Liverpool turned up with their best possible side and even had a Chelsea player playing for them ;)

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Sorry Ed, but I don't see Evra, Vidic, and Ferdinand as the team of the future. They may be marginally better than their equivalents today Jones and Evans today. {Ed004's Note - No I'm stating that it was a weakened team not that they're for the future. In fact I'd look to ease out Rio and Evra. Rio for smalling and a new left back}

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I think we actually kind of agree with each other then, the team could have been marginally stronger although by the end of this season we will see if Rio is still first pick. and neither of us mentioned Welbeck or Cleverley either in "now" or "future" terms.

There is general consensus that Valencia is generally without enough guile, Nani's squandered talent is frustrating, Young is a limp biscuit, and Anderson is too often injured to be assessed.

Shipping those 6 players out and replacing them with 3 30-50m quality midfield and wingers plus the youngsters would set the balance between squad depth and talent about right.

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25 Sep 2013 20:12:27
this is so poor. why the F is giggs starting. pointless. And jones is a class centre back. play him there!!

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Rafael and Evans are rusty and Buttner is all over the place. How this defence hasn't conceded yet I do not know.

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25 Sep 2013 20:57:40
Buttner is playing well

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Mad

Buttner are you being serious?

So glad Hernandez finally got a game and miles better than Welbeck, who things he is Ronaldo but without the brains or the skill.

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Buttner is not playing well! smalling also very poor. evans I like! and rafael just glad he's back! But Nani has been so wasteful as ever.


Giggs just poor and slow.

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The defence is doing better than Rio Vidic and Evra have of late

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Buttner had a better second half to be honest but not one for the future. I feel sorry for some of guys because they get very little game time and need to have blinder to get back in.

McAteer another AlJazeera Pundit is real W. ker. Reckons Liverpool should have won and giggs should have been send off. Hate watching this guys talk nonsense.

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I'd rather give Buttner a run of games than Evra. When Evra first joined he was poor until Heinze tore his knee ligaments and got his chance to prove himself. Give the lad a few games. He attacked and tracked back. Yes he made mistakes but he made some vital interceptions tonight. Players need game time. I'm not saying Buttner will be class but given how poor Evra has been give Buttner a chance and judge after a good run of games not 1 game in every 15. How many people slated Evans, Fletcher when they first came through and wanted them offloaded because I was one of them and realise that I was too quick to judge players at time, inparticular those that don't play regularly

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Completely with you Mad. Remember how Macheda made an amazing debut but over time he failed to grow in to a class player we hoped.

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Mad

That is a fair point but not sure that would make a big difference. Evra was a full pledged international and needed time to settle in. Butnner is probbaly the 5th or 6th best dutch left back alone and that will never cut the mustard at United.

BTW I have never slated Evans but did think Wooton was not good enough and Micheal keene was the one we would keep after watching them both in the game against Chelsea last year :)

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25 Sep 2013 20:00:57
Disapointed that Rooney is captain. After the summer I think its abit disrespectful to all the former captains that the honour is given to Rooney at this point. Giggs or even Evans would have been a better call imo.

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I have to Evans would be my captain with Smalling beside him
Valencia Evans Smalling Butter would be my back four {Ed004's Note - Rafael is a far better right back than Valencia. He offers just as much going forward as well}

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Sometimes being Captain is not about the past but about who has the ability to get more from the players around him, Rooney Certainly has that. I do agree he has been disrespectful to the club but he is still at the club and performing at a very good level atm.

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Why shappy. Along with vidic, they were the only two who tried against city. Rooney has been our best player this season. So give him a break.

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What's the point in making Giggs captain? Rooney has to be captain today.

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Rooney perfect man for captain! He's holding the team together at the min! If we had of lost him in the summer the team would be really up sh*t Creek IMO!

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There were predictions about him being a dressing room cancer this season and not trying etc. Well he has looked the best player(United) in all the games he has played.

Looked inspired and one of the rare ones arsed. I think we ought to be a lot more reserved while predicting character displays.

Was one of our better(best) players today as well. 6 games - 4 goals 4 assists. He is proving a lot of folks bitterly wrong on here. Shappy, do you think his being a captain is somehow disrespectful to Roy Keane? What with Sir Bobby, Sparky etc saying throughout the summer about how important he is.

Deeps.

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Seriously Shappy disappointed that Rooney is the captain. Why because of a summer full of speculation or because the papers wrote something? I find it amusing how some believe things just to add to their point. We get it you don't like him but he has looked committed and he has been one of the few players actually putting in an effort. Give the guy some credit

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Shappy's going to get hurt when he eventually falls off his high horse.

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25 Sep 2013 19:56:54
i do not understand why giggs starts and kagawa has to play on the left. poor formation. kagawa needs to be central behind the strikers

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Lashes if fine cutting in as butter will provide width I feel this is the best formation for us with the players we have in squad

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25 Sep 2013 19:54:31
Dear Mr Giggs

Please stop taking corners, you have not manged to beat the first man in 3 years.


Thanks
A person with eyes

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I was going to post exactly that lol

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25 Sep 2013 19:42:27
Rooney captain, kloot will not be happy.
United legend ;)

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25 Sep 2013 19:39:14
Best win today! Giggs in midfield doesn't help the nerves! Just had a car crash as well, so if we lose, today (at the tender age of 18) may just be the worst day of my life!

Reckon Hernandez is dead set to score! COME ON!

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25 Sep 2013 20:02:14
Sorry to hear about the accident, I hope everyone is okay.

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Could have been a lot worse mate, everyone is fine :)

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25 Sep 2013 20:32:21
Well that's the important thing, metal can be repaired or replaced. People can't.

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Not when its a write of ha!

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Off**

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25 Sep 2013 22:49:46
nice 2 hear u are ok :)

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25 Sep 2013 19:33:00
Looks like Rogers really wants to win this game, this is their best starting lineup including Hannibal Lector.

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25 Sep 2013 22:53:52
flint please don't call him that, hannibal is one of my favourite movies.call him kannibal diver or well u will come up with something new!:)

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25 Sep 2013 19:32:28
"well everyone tells me what a good player he is , hopefully we see that"
Moyes on kags being in the team tonight.
Anybody find that a strange comment

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I winced, his utterances to the press have not been great lately.

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It's almost like he's being forced to play him and doesn't want to. Clearly he doesn't rate the player. Yet he rates Young and Welbeck

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Yep. He is saying stuff about the squad and quality of players that he should not be saying in public.

SAF never did that even though behind closed doors let them have it. Maybe I was wrong and the enormity of the job is too much for him.

I wonder if there is anything going on between him and Woodward not seeing eye to eye.

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25 Sep 2013 19:55:26
Its an odd thing to say on the face of it. But not knowing what the context and how he said it its hard to judge it.

It might just be him being exasperated and just said something without a hidden meaning.

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Shappy
It was in sky before the match it was an odd comment

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I like Kags, but he's giving the ball away too often, and often not even in a high risk high reward pass (which is more understandable). I guess his confidence is shot at the moment, must feel on trial. Moyes comment can't help, you're right jred, odd.

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What's more odd is playing him out of position yet again. He is useless when he isn't in and around the penalty spot doing what he does best.

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David Moyes: "this was the right time to look at one or two of the other players. We have to give the boys a game somewhere and this is a place for that. Everybody tells me how good Kagawa is, but I've not got to know him yet."

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Kagawa played better 2nd half, nani utter crap, jones had a good solid game giggs still can't take a corner positives we won and the atmosphere was great everyone stood up the full 90 minutes just like the old days :)

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25 Sep 2013 19:26:30
Surely Anderson or Carrick instead of giggs. And gutted Jones gets stuck in mid fielder. He's our best centre back prospect. Shame on you DM.

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25 Sep 2013 19:22:06
Florentino Perez has said that it was United that put in a reported late bid of 120 million to sign Bale which forced their hand. I don't see any truth to this at all (although I'm one of the few who think we actually had the cash), If we were willing to offer that much, why would Spurs agree on the 100 million fee? Especially when Perez said that Bale was a "bargain signing", surely that means that he would of payed more for Bale. What puzzles me is that the dealings were between United and Spurs, how does he know more about it than anyone else? Does anyone know if there is any truth to this? {Ed002's Note - There isn't.}

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Levy is a very shrewd business man. If there way any truth at all in this alleged bid, Levy would have demanded that Madrid at least match it. Its a load of nonsense.

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No way on earth the beverley hillbillies would part with 120 mill for a player

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Hillarious and true.

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25 Sep 2013 19:25:16
So apparently Rooney is captain tonight? Even with Giggs on the pitch, really?!

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25 Sep 2013 19:11:40
How did I know Rodgers would play his strongest possible line-up. Well let's see if our second team bar Rooney can embarrass him.

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Rooney and vidic were the only decent players on Sunday. Vidic needs a rest I hope the rest where dropped

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It's the League Cup, we were always going to play the players who need games, recently back from injury and the kids who we will see in the second half hopefully. I think Moyes played Rooney as he expected Suarez to play and was evening it out. De Gea's only playing because Lindegaard is injured.

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No wonder we are looking for a left back. Buttner sucks going forward or defending. Not sure if he thinks this is the Harlem Globetrotters.

He has got poor Kagawa also all confused as he is not sure what the hell he is going to do next.

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25 Sep 2013 19:02:55
Just seen the line up I hope that's a 5 man midfield because if it's 4 we in trouble

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I am not sure what formation it is. Could it be a 4-3-3

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We have completely changed the line-up, Brendan Rodgers goes for his strongest possible line-up. He looked quite embarrassed when asked if this was his strongest possible line-up. He will look a fool if our squaddies beat them.

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25 Sep 2013 18:59:21
Giggsy and Jones in midfield. LOL

Some hollywood passes and some brain fart after crossing the halfway line moments ;)

Very interesting partnership IMO

Deeps.

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"Interesting" wouldn't have been the word I would have used to describe such a partnership.

'Shocking' springs to mind.

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DM finally has hernandez in starting eleven in his desired position. And midfield of Jones and Giggs. For 6th game in a row DM surprises everyone with his team selection.

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Hate the Giggs Idea and hope I don't pull my hair out. At least Hernandez and Kagawa are playing.

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Sam

The only reason I say its interesting is because we virtually don't have a midfield, so it should be an end to end affair. I think that should make for interesting viewing :)

Shahram

Lol, There are time when you are so frustrated, that you can only laugh. that's the case with me today. But then you never know, Giggs may have a stormer, Jones may play like Yaya and we are all happy.

Deeps.

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Surprised in his team selection again, but not in a good way, giggs ffs, has anyone seen zaha if so please tell Moyes, starting to pull my hair out with him, at least kags is in, where is Januzaj?

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I am a little concerned with the left side if we are playing a 4-4-2 with Kagawa and Buttner. Neither the greatest defenders and jones is not a midfielder. What a weird lineup I have to say.

No cleverly and no Fellaini on the bench so if we go wrong not much he can do with midfield.

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Deeps

Very happy with the result and good night at the till :). Won the big ones and lost the stuff that you have fun with.

Actually picked 6 out of 7 games right in Italy and got all the 3 spanish games right.

The big one was the treble

United/Newcastle/Roma :)

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25 Sep 2013 18:57:45
Giggs to start today, at least Kagawa and Hernandez are starting. Why not Zaha or Adnan over Giggs, what must these lads think they can't beat out Giggs for a game. This experience over talented youth is mind boggling to me {Ed004's Note - MAN UNITED XI: De Ge; Rafael, Smalling, Evans, Buttner; Nani, Jones, Giggs, Kagawa; Hernandez, Rooney}

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Good to see Rafael back in the team.

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Would like to see zaha or januzaj start but I'm guessing at least one of them will come of the bench. Overall I'm quite happy with this team, I see no problem in playing Giggs for Carling cup games, wouldn't be first choice but hey-ho what can you do

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I posted the team further down at around 3ish. I don't get any info on transfers but I do get to know team selections

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25 Sep 2013 18:11:17
Something interesting Wenger said in an Interview when asked about Suarez. He said we could have had him but not both him and Ozil.

Sounds like they changes direction late and decided not pursue suarez and went after Ozil.

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No it sounds like they couldn't get Suarez so went for Oezil when he became available. Liverpool were never going to sell to Arsenal.

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Sydney

You have to watch the interview, I actually believe him.

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25 Sep 2013 18:01:47
Well I can't help the team on the pitch but will suffer with them at bookies. If we do not win I will die with them. If we don"t score I will die even harder, If. get the drift :)

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I wouldn't worry, I think we will destroy them tonight.

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25 Sep 2013 17:28:36
As Duncan Drasdo said last night ''our dream is to be a supporter run club''.
That is my dream I dnt want a sultan, shiek or oligarch just us fans being able to run the club and having our voices heard

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If you feel like that Chris you should have joined the others at f.c.united

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Errmmm. Huh? Bit of a quick tounge u have there six foot!
So u dnt want that too?
While were at dnt tell me who I can't support!

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25 Sep 2013 17:24:39
There you go. The difference between the Champions of England and the Champions of Germany. The English Champions wait until the very last knockings of the transfer window, and then buy a very average, mid table midfielder.
The Champions of Germany buy two of the best players from their main title rivals. Says a lot!

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Says a lot about the standard of competetion in the premier league, and the lack of competition in germany. Nothing to do with indivual clubs

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Agree with eddmc. In spain it between RM and Barca in Germany its all about Bayern Munich for top players.

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Its more the intent. Bayern were superb last season yet still bought 2 great players to add to their squad, while we really showed our intent (or the Glazers) by bargain hunting and chasing lost causes. We have slipped alarmingly, and I don't want to see United become a club the big stars won't join.

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I take your point on intent OT, teams need to improve every year. But the top english sides don't sell their bestplayers to rivals, when bayern can have their pick of any player in germany. Its a different situation there compared to the premier league

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Sure eddmc but why stick with Prem players? My point is that they were going for players from another successful competitor, German or not, whilst United were not really showing ambition in my view. For me its about the future and the signals United are giving out. I feel our standing is just eroding away.

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25 Sep 2013 17:05:07
hi caolan2 mate I had 2 change my username so i'm useing thenew52 now hope u are fine mate:) well we did not beat city but we will/have 2 crush liverpool today mate like 4-0 I will be happy with 3-1 unless moyes does not want 2 attack.so what does the rest of u guy's think btw it's me zee from icey norway but i'm useing thenew52. steviek, syd and the rest of my red army brothers and sisters how are u all today, and Ed02 I think someone where useing my name zee on this site or are their 2 zee on this site but I don't have a problem with that, because I will be useing thenew52 from now on so don't banned me(sorry spelling) ggmu, btw ed's who are utd fan's what do u guy's think the score will be?hope all of the ed's are fine and keep up the good work it was not the same without u guy's when u where on strike and guy's let as think positive if we all think that moyes will do a great job then are toughest (spelling) will reach him and he will do a good job I know it's not looking good but let's give him 5 game's before we talk rubbish about him.united united

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Hi zee I'm good and great to see you back on the site :)

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Hi Zee! Got a good feeling about tonight now :)

You can still sign your message with Zee and have thenew52 as your username, Shamram was doing this with GodCreatedUnited as username.

I hope we bounce back strongly after the weekend, just hope that Suarez doesn't add some much needed BITE to the Scousers attack!

Come on Utd!

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TheNew52?

fan of Batman by any chance?.
(appologies if i'm off with the reference)

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25 Sep 2013 17:19:58
Not posted for a while.
Looking at tonights game I hope moyes' has a go and sets us up to attack but judging by our league performances this season I just can't see it.
After the disgrace on sunday its the perfect game to throw the likes of zaha, janujaz, hernandez and buttner into the team and at least have a go.Im not going to start having a go at moyes just yet like some on here have but there have been situations since the summer which worry me such as the transfer shambles and more worryingly the lack of attacking intent in most games and total lack of tactical nous in others.
Moyes has made a big thing of our difficult start and maybe that in moyes' mind justifies our negative tactics and team selection but its done with now and the game tonighr and the next 6 league games are definately winnable so I hope we see a different mindset from moyes.
I think we all expected a season or two of transition but it has to be a transition and not a period where certain players fail to impress over and over again and young, hungry players are overlooked, get disillusioned and leave.
Nows the time we find out what life under moyes is going to be like and while i'm not convinced about him I hope he proves me wrong.

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25 Sep 2013 17:15:04
While I really want Moyes to succeed imo he has not yet 'made it' he was chosen by one of the greatest managers ever and trusted with the job, however the 6 year contract he got means diddly if we dnt pick up in the next 5-6 games and end up having a bad season (which I dnt believe for a second we will), its a trial, an interview if u like to see if he has the metal and the go-nads for the job.
Things will need to change over the next few months, tatics, formation, style and personal.
However I have every confidence he will adapt anf prove a very good manager for us and I predict many happy years with him at the helm.
But and its a big but he can't afford many more months like the first 2 we have had regardless of fixtures!
Wishing the lads very good luck tonite and hope we smash the mary **** out of them tonite, although we know even if we do it won't be there fault as normal.

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25 Sep 2013 16:49:48
btw guy's where the glazer trying 2 sell our ground old trafford, what was that all about, kloot I read your post about but did not understood what the glazer's are doing, they don't care about our club and the only way 2 make them understand is not 2 buy season tickets or is their another way? don't ghey understand that if utd don't peform and are struggling then the sponsor's will leave and more empty seat will not be good 4 them because they will lose more money, if we don't play in the champions league it won't make the glazer's more money but less, good businessmen know u have 2 use money 2 make more money but if they dont, then I hope the stuff I have said will happen because maybe then they will have 2 sell 2 that sultan atleast he will use a lot of money on the team (sultan the rich arbien guy) spelling.good luck with the game guy's :)

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They aren't trying to sell the ground it's just the ground was going to be listed so it couldn't be demolished etc. and they were going to contest it but they've backed down now.

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25 Sep 2013 17:11:26
it's zee i'm useing a new username guy's, ed's please let this post go throw so people know I have changed my username thanks:)

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Nah they wernt mate lol, basically MUST (man utd supporters trust) have secured a ruling making OT a city landmark if u like for want of a better word lol, preventing the Glazers attempting to sell the stadium off at any point in the future.
wot may seem like a small step to many, in reality its a massive victory, only time will tell how big

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Those Yanks can't get their hands on our Stadium now. Not sure what they had planned for it. Probably involved Disney and a United themed – theme-park.

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25 Sep 2013 17:40:22
thank's aviddevil and chris 4 the answer, hope we crush liverpool today:)

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25 Sep 2013 16:36:23
Can someone please shed some light on Zaha for me. We paid 15m for him and a host of other clubs were in for him and the lad hasn't played 1 minute. Our wingers are very average and it surprises me that he can't get a game. Why hasn't he been loaned out if the manager doesn't play him, he needs to play and after watching him last year i'm more than surprised that he hasn't played.

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I echo your sentiments, Flint. We should have sent him back to Palace, if Moyes' has not intention if using him that much. He needs to be playing football to further his development.

I will be piss.d if he isn't involved in some capacity today. Liverpool are hardly world beaters FFS.

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Everyone other than moyes and his trusted coaching staff is thinking the same. everyone is saying that he can't do bad than young is doing at the moment. but we always have this problem. experience is always getting count over talent, no mater how bad the experienced one is doing.
I ask 1 question to all,
can zaha or lingaard do any worst than what young is doing at the moment?

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I would think it has more to do with the fixtures we had at the start of the season mate, with the run of games we've had Moyes would probably want a team he knows the ins and outs of, I expect zaha to feature quite a bit in up coming games

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25 Sep 2013 16:26:11
Hopefuly a front 4 of
Zaha Kagawa Januzaj
Hernandez
Would be nice to see Buttner given a chance and Smalling played at CB.
Whatever the lineup Moyes will have to earn a victory tonight and we will surely learn a bit more about Moyes tonight.

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Be prepared to see giggs and nani on the wings with carrik and fellaini in center. I expect kagawa to start behind rooney but I dare say that most probably it will be welback.

or giggs behind rooney and zaha on left or janujaz on left with kagawa making from the bench.

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Fellaini is cup tied

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25 Sep 2013 16:02:23
With Moyes saying he needs 2 players today, who would you all like to see?
Myself I'd like CM that can keep hold of the ball and distribute it better than we currently do.
I'd also like to see a left sided midfielder ala giggs in his prime so we don't use kagawa out of position and we can then stop playing young!
CM I'd like de Rossi, Herrera, kroos, and maybe modric
LM I'd like de Maria, gaitan or rodriguez

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Isn't it obvious he meant Baines & Herrera? They were the targets after all. Thiago and Baines would have been nice though.

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I guess herrera and coentrao will be chased again in january. whom we expertly managed to fail on signing.

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Unless madrid get a replacement in january coentrao won't be going anywhere

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25 Sep 2013 15:18:49
The starting 11 for tonight my fellow reds is . DDG, Rafael, Evans, Smalling, Buttner, Nani, Jones, Giggs, Kagawa, Rooney, Hernandez.

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I really hope we don't see Giggs in the starting 11 tonight. No disrespect to him, but I would rather see him on the sidelines with the coaching staff.

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25 Sep 2013 16:08:40
i hope u are right, btw guy's something have happend I can't login so i'm registering myself again and this time I will use my ps3 username and that's thenew52, zee:)

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Fairplay MELONS, called it. how did you know so early?

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Yeah what the hell Melons! When I saw it a minute ago I rushed straight back to this site to find your post. How did you know at 3?! Or just a lucky guess?

Fair play.

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Yes my friend true inside information!

May it long continue!

Makes a refreshing change, or was it an incredibly good guess

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That is a brilliant call. Insider?!

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Melons, if your David moyes :p Can you please keep giggs as a back up and use Zaha and januza and plug that midfield.

Nice call on the team

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25 Sep 2013 14:37:14
will we see fellaini play just behind rooney to night?

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Fellaini is cup-tied.

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In that case i'm going to say we wont

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I'm hoping we see Kagawa play behind Rooney with Nani out on the left. Ideally with Zaha on the right but Valencia will probably start because it's Liverpool.

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Yer I agree with the kags and Rooney part

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I hope so I have bet that they will both score, Yickes, gulp, gulp :) C'mon moyes don't let me down have them in the line up.

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25 Sep 2013 14:29:21
With the World Cup coming up and the vast majority of our squad being average and not guaranteed first team football, do you think we will see a mass exodus in the winter window?

I know it's not usual for much business to go on, but I think a lot of pressure will be put on Moyes by players to get game time in before the world cup but their quality doesn't justify a first team place, some of them deserve a chance, but it doesn't seem the manager agrees?

Most of them won't want to wait until the Summer.

Players like - Nani, Valencia, Young, Clevs, Welbeck, Anderson (no hope of Intl but still will want games), Smalling, Jones, Kagawa, Lindegaard, Hernandez, Buttner. All of these will not be playing regularly in my opinion, just filling in when others are injured.

Could be a lot of angry people at Old Trafford in a few months.

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25 Sep 2013 14:52:07
agree nice post. zee

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It was always going to be tough taking over from SAF and it was always going to take a top, top manager to do it! Unfortunately DM is not a top, top manager.
I agree, I think he will lose the dressing room by Christmas if our form remains so inconsistent. We're not a team used to losing!

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All the players apart from Anderson umentioned will go to the world cup

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Assuming their nations qualify Chris ;-)

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Well yeh lol buy if they dnt then there will be no problem

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They will think they should go and most of them should go, but if they aren't getting games and players start performing for other clubs because it is a World Cup year I reckon quite a few of them will want guarantees of first team football, just to be sure.

Players like Young, Smalling, Jones, Cleverley are on the fringes of the England team, Zaha will want to make a go of it as well. It only takes a few solid performances from other fringe players at other clubs and ours won't be on the plane. We all know how the media love to hype up the new big thing and practically force them to be picked for England.

I just think it will lead to a lot of discontent in January if world cup potentials aren't getting a game for their club and we have a lot of them.

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25 Sep 2013 13:46:44
I really hope Moyes' doesn't panic tonight and field a 'safe' team. The impulse for him to do this will be over-whelming given the drubbing we received on Sunday; but he has to have faith in players' like Nani, Kagawa, Zaha and Januzaj, to deliver.

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Tbh if I see a team containing carrick, giggse, rio and vidic I will not be happy and will lose a tiny bit of respect for Moyes if I am honest

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Same here Chris. I would be very disappointed to see the under performing seniors' in the starting line up tonight.

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25 Sep 2013 12:39:36
On to tonight. What would you guys like to see, a strong line up or a chance handed to the youth? Personally I would love to see Zaha and Januazaj start, however, after the result at the weekend, i'm not sure Moyes will be taking any risks unfortunately. Thoughts?

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We will find out a lot about him tonight. Needless to say anything but a win would not go down well. I expect us to win but do expect a very tough game.

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I just posted something similar to what you said, Elivs. For me, he has to give other players' a chance tonight. Some of the performances on Sunday were woeful to say the least.

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I would love to see them both start but think given the past results they will both be on the bench.

I hope that we start with Hernandez, Kags, Rooney, Nani as the front 4 with 2 sitting in behind and then the back 4.

Guess we will know in about 5 hours.

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The more I think about it the more he will go with youth/inexperience. Firstly he knows we need to start phasing out the lazy regulars and secondly he will want to punish them as they all should want to beat the scousers and would ideaaly need to wait until the weekend to prove their worth. He would be a hypocrite if he plays the same old players.

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I can't see Zaha and Januzaj starting, but I fully expect to see at least one of them at one point. Nani and Anderson need games, i'd actually be quite keen to see how Fellaini and Anderson would be as a midfield two. Ideally i'd like to see a 4-3-3 with Nani, Rooney and Zaha as the front three, but I'm expecting a 4-4-2 with perhaps Nani and Valencia as the wingers.

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I hope Kagawa and Januzaj start.

The only positive from the weekend was Januzaj sitting next to RVP in the stands in theory means he's at least thought of as part of the first team squad. Clutching a bit admittedly!

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25 Sep 2013 10:18:04
Moyes need to realise this:
Wellbeck & Young not world class.
Hernandez & Kagawa are world class.
Why moyes can't realise that??

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Kagawa has the potential to be very very good, but has yet to prove himself in the PL. Hernandez world class? I have to disagree. Sorry, but "world class" is a phrase too readily used these days. The only Unites players anywhere near world class are RVP, and a fit and in form Rooney.

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The only world class players in that team now are Rooney and RVP.
The rest are either good players or average.

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Sorry that was "United players". Unforgiveable!

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Simmo, Messi, Ronaldo and Xavi would be laughing their balls off at the thought of Wayne being on the same level as them.

As Betty says, the term 'world class' is bandied about far too easily nowadays.

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StevieK, I agree that the phrase world class is bandied about far too often but Rooney, in my opinion, is one of the 3 world class players in our team in. He may have had a poor season last year, I am one of those currently retreating on what I said about selling him and him being past it, but he has come firing out of the blocks this year and I think that Messi, Ronaldo and Xavi would all readily agree that a fit and on form Rooney is one of the best players in the world, ie world class.

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And calling rooney world class isn't saying he is on the same level as those 3. Calling him world class is saying that he is in the top 3% (or thereabouts) of footballers in the world which is more than just 3 people

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Steve, IMO Rooney is up there with the best of them. He has not shown the consistency of the players' mentioned, but the guy is definitely world class.

I can recall a period when Rooney was better than Ronaldo; but Ronaldo worked harder and got better, while Rooney has not progressed consistently over the same period.

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When focused and in form Rooney is right up there with the best in the world steviek

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StevieK

When did I mention that they were in the same league as Xavi, Messi and Ronaldo.
I said they were world class not as good as or better then the three players mentioned.
Rooney is easily one of the top 10 footballers in Europe when fit and on his game and RVP isn't far behind.
I bet if you were to ask Messi, Ronaldo and Xavi they would put you straight and say Rooney is in fact a world class player.

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Meow snappy simmo lately

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No, mate. I still think they'd laugh their balls off.

StevieK

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And you said he was world class. Those three are proper world class players. Therefore you are claiming he is in the same league as them. No? Or am I missing something?

StevieK

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Everyone is aware there is more than 5 players in the world that can be classed as worldclass, although I agree the term gets banded about way to much for most players we can't be to anal about the term either, Rooney is easily worldclass when he's head is right and in form

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Chris, is that why all the top teams in the world, were queuing up to sign him? Oh, wait.

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25 Sep 2013 10:00:17
“I think a lot of people thought Manchester United [winning the title] last season, that it was probably the form of the other teams that was poor, ” Moyes said, adding: “I don't think it's actually the squad, I think we've got numbers. I think maybe we've got work to do to bring in players not for the squad but to go right into the team.”

I guess he is realizing what a lot of us have been saying, This is not great team or squad. Good squad average first 11.

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I agree BUT, how many times have we heard this before? SAF a few times admitted we needed this, or that, but it's one thing to admit it and another altogether to tackle the issue.

I won't believe it til Moyes makes the necessary changes.

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Exactly right. Our squad is strong but our starting XI isn't. I have said all along that Moyes needs to be given time. He is no fool and knows what needs to be done, but he was never going to come in and make wholesale changes immediately. Time will tell if he is up to the job or not, but he must be given that time.
It is not just about identifying players who will improve us, but also finding players who are not only good enough, but also available and willing to join us. There is no doubt we have struggled to bring in the best players recently, but I don't agree with this idea that we should pay whatever the asking price to secure those players. Take Gareth Bale as an example. Very good player who would improve us greatly, but £85.4 million? Absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. There are players out there at a sensible price, like Erikson for £12 or whatever it was. The problem is though, we need to make signing sooner rather than later, or we will get left behind. In fact we probably are already.

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Well he's already signed a midfielder which Sir Alex didn't do for a long a time. He also tried to address our biggest weakness which is the left back position by signing Baines or Contrao.

So just give him more time and just get behind him

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Supposedly United bid something stupid like 112m for Bale according to a red top.No way on earth would we do that

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Exactly Shahram, we need to strengthen the first XI. At least Moyes notices this and to be fair he did go for two central midfielders and a LB in the summer, the areas we need to improve. I hope this time round the club do what they can to get him the players he wants.

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Sydney

It sounds like he quite pissed with some players and some maybe know they are going to be out. I am sure a Left back is definitely on the cards in January. Unfortunately it will be very difficult to get a top CM as most play for the top teams and will be involved competing for trophies and will not be available.

Baines or Coentrao are a high possibility.

Perez from Real has also come out and said that there will be players leaving come January but I believe it will be fringe players and non of their big names.

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Exactly, hopefully everyone has learnt from the Summer and we won't make that mistake again. Everybody is allowed to mess up once in a while, even Utd management under the new pressures - but what frustrates most of us is the fact that anybody half interested in football could see our weaknesses and would have done something straight away, rather that fannying around with poxy bids, it just meant the asking price went up and up the more desperate other chairman knew we were getting. We need to get in early next time, allowing the vendor to buy a replacement and us to not get ripped off.

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25 Sep 2013 14:49:36
well he had 90 day's 2 buy player's but they did not pay enough 4 baines and herrera and know he is saying he need's player's, yeah right.please guy's don't believe a word he is saying and if he is saying that we need more player's so why does he not use some of our young guns like adnan zaha lindgard kawaga and even nani their he has 5 good player's, do u guy's honestly think if he does not use them and even could not bring in new player's, do u think the top class player's, will join us now. he made a huge mistake by letting rene leave and brought in p. neville and steve round or bound what ever his name is, moyes will do good after he has made utd a top 8 team then he will happy but then will we fan's be happy with that, if he does not win big today then sorry he is not the right guy, even barca city real atletico madrid bayern dortmund are winning their games with alot's of goals.i will wait until after the match today and then jugde him.we got beaten by city liverpool and chelsea whent 4 a draw so what do u guy's think liverpool will do 2 us today, I hope I wrong but I don't think so but I will not only blame moyes but the glazer's and the lady wood and our backroom staff as well, and saf 2 four leaveing us with rubbish player's, like young welbeck and u guy's know the rest of them like evra. and.!? have a nice day I need 2 find a shrink(spelling) soon if we don't start playing like champions, even everton are playing better then us and ross barkley don't want 2 play under moyes so why will player's, from spain germany etc etc wanna play 4 him.sorry 4 long post have a nice day people.zee {Ed002's Note - I will let this go but you need to register.}

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I Think he should not say that in public even if knows it. It basically tells the players they are not good enough and might lose some of them and they will not play for him and put everything out on the pitch.

He should just take responsibility for the losses and deal with it internally. Mancini was criticizing his team last year and City was a mess

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25 Sep 2013 09:31:09
So Moyes has come out and said that we are missing two players. In my opinion, given what we targeted in the summer it's a left back and a left midfielder. I think went for Bale & Coentrao over the summer and failed to get both. It's still between Baines & Coentrao in January for the left back spot - but for the winger it's anyones guess. I think it will be one of Shaqiri, Reus, Draxler or Muniain. Preferibly we will get Baines & Reus.

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Fresh

Baines and Reus will not solve it. We need 2 top midfielders.

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I also think we need 3 signings. A LB, a LW and another CM, a world-class one. That's probably, given that we'll go back in Baines, over £50m of spending if we target the appropriate players. I'll believe it when I see it.

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We need a LB, a Winger and possibly two CM's then I think we will be very balanced and strong again. We also need to ship out the players who aren't cutting it. If that happened, with the youth coming through, we would be in very good steed for the future. These next two windows are crucial. Hopefully something like, Baines/Shaw and Reus/Draxler would be ideal. I'm not sure who we would target for the CM places though. We will just have to wait and see if he puts his money where his mouth is, or if he is allowed to.

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Here is a list of midfielders which will all significantly improve us and some to the next level.

Vidal, Matuidi, Bender, De Marcos, Herrera, Maher, Clasie, Kroos, Gonalens, Verrati, and I am sure I have missed 4 or 5 more. there are other who compared to our squad will also be an upgrade but maybe not so popular Dembele, Cabaye, Campos, Banega, Sandro etc etc

They are there but it needs Money and effort

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To compete with the very best imo we need a top class creative cm, wide attacking player and CB, as well as a good left back. maybe a more dynamic cm as well.
hummels, shaw, vidal, kroos, reus should just about do it ;)

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Jred, what about a more realistic Baines, Garay, Herrera & Di Maria? Would you take that?

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Syd
Just the first names that came to mind.

I would take Baines but it would be a short term fix.
Di Maria and Herrera I like.
Not a fan of garay at all.
I think kroos will only have 12 month on his contract next summer and will struggle for game time and should be available.
Also we may have a chance of Hummel if we use kags.

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Fair points Jred. With City getting Jovetic & Navas and retaining Nasri & Silva, would City still want Reus? Will Chelsea still want him given they have bought Willian and Schurrle? I think Arsenal will want Reus or Draxler, but would love to see either arrive here and would use Kags if he wanted to go.

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25 Sep 2013 08:44:47
What does everyone make of moyes's comments after the thrashing and humiliation against city, that there will be more defeats like this.
In all the time Ferguson was here, we would never have heard them utter these words. In my opinion, this is not what we wanted to hear after being comprehensively beaten by our noisy neighbours.
Of course the words could have been taken out of context, but a Manchester united manager should not be saying anything like, e that no matter what. This attitude might have been the standard at Everton, but not over here.

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Everton never got "Thrashed" by City, was always tooo good for them, was one bright thing on the Moyes CV

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The Mirror quote before the match was . Moyes takes his United side into the Mancunian derby on the back of an impressive record against City when he was at Everton, winning nine of his last 12 Premier League games against the Blues.

Just accept United were not good enough on the day . in fact were garbage to the nth degree .

Tonite is different, DM record against Liverpool is rubbish . another humiliation on the way?

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SAF back for xmas

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He's just being realistic, not going around with his head stuck up his ar5e.

Like I said in an earlier post - we've been gubbed before, and we'll be gubbed again. It's football.

Footballers are human beings - they have off days at work, just like you and me.

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Boar,

you spent the whole of last season moaning about how we played and that we were rubbish etc, why would you want that manager back? Total hypocrit.

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Lol GDS, dnt get me started on that tool, I have my suspicions he's a troll or Liverpool fan tbh

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All last season moaning lol I only signed up at end off season and it seens to me gds2 i'm getting to you for calling everything right ie no quality signings in the summer and saying I expect united to finish outside the top four

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U dnt get to knowone boar, everyone sees right through u, as much as u do try to hide it, dnt worry mate i'm sure KLOOT loves u ;-)

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25 Sep 2013 00:39:47
As far as I recall he signed for a Belgian club after his contract expired then moved to Spurs in a cut price deal shortly after - essentially as a way of Spurs getting round the compensation via tribunal rules that meant we lost out on a few million.

Levy may not be totally ethical but he is a smart businessman!

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That was in reply to a post re: Fryers down the page.

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Was he deemed not good enough for a new contract?

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25 Sep 2013 11:08:20
He was good friends with Ravel Morrison, and he shared the same attitude as him(although not as bad). So we didn't offer him a new deal as he was deemed more trouble than he was worth. A shame as he is a talented lad, hopefully he'll grow up and have a good career.

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There were issues with attitude I'm sure wasn't he good friends with Ravel Morrison and that caused problems

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And the wiley old Levy bent the rules to avoid paying us for him. I'd imagine the FA will close that loophole soon but rules are for bending so we can't complain.

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