Manchester United Banter Archive July 26 2011

26 Jul 2011 22:17:15
Before you all go crazy quoting the dribble that Andersred has posted you should bare in mind we are not a PLC therefore do not list our finances as a club publically. The wages quoted are all hypothetical and I can assure you that I personally know 2 of the players quoted and their wages were 20k and 23k over-quoted. So just take this on board his comments are based on fictitious accounting to back up his own beliefs not actual facts. Please think about this before you get sucked in.

Charity Shield is days away, lets just get positive and start our new campaign behind the club and the lads 100% with no negative distractions.

26 Jul 2011 20:53:11
Wilson scores in the Milk Cup again, United are currently 1.0 up against County Tyrone. Wilson is a prolific striker and just 15. I will keep everyone updated.

Just to let the guys know too, three of the four Brazilians that were sent to FC Twente on loan are representing their Brazilian side in this tournament. Shame we cannot watch our lads play.

Sydney!

26 Jul 2011 20:21:49
heres a controversial name for you Mathieu Flamini, i think he could do a great job shielding the back four, is very good in pocession, good in the tackle and can launch attacks. At 27 wouldn't get in the way of our youngsters and has that bit of bite about him. Also proven in the prem. For me he has everything we want the only draw back is he isn't my favourite player due to his attitude and his arsenal connection. Wat do people think?
Shappy

26 Jul 2011 19:48:28
when you have eliminated the impossible, what ever remains, however improbable must be the truth.........lfc {Ed007's Note - All of the regulars will tell you lfc, when it comes to the money side of things I leave it to them to debate it. I'm too busy trying to understand the Rangers tax case and takeover to start trying to fathom out the Man Utd finances, so I would never enter into an argument over it on here, simply because I don't not know enough about it.}

26 Jul 2011 19:27:48
We have some great talent coming through the ranks, who do you guys think think will break into the 1st team? i myself think van velzin, morrison, petrucci, cole, and pogba look really good. We have a very bright future ahead

A.S.H.W.I

26 Jul 2011 18:35:51
This new "Neviller" chap has alot to say for himself.
Just some observations:

Likes to keep referring that others may view him as a "Glazerite", but then qualifies it, so he can't be a Glazer sympathizer, can he?

Also attacks and disrespects a long-term poster with "Rustytrombone" comments, (strange tactic for a new poster) attempting to ridicule this poster's anti-club debt viewpoint in front of his audience.

He has emphasised that the Glazer ownership "could be worse".
This is an obvious and factuous statement from a Glazer supporter because of course it could be worse.

He has also commented that "no self-respecting United supporter" would prefer a City style ownership to the current United debt laden model?
This is a common professional influencing technique. He is challenging you to dare to disagree with this comment because if you do, you are not a "self-respecting United supporter".
Think about his overly agressive and challenging comment in this context:
Is it so unreasonable for a United supporter to prefer an owner who invests in the club rather than uses our club's income to pay his personal debts totalling 50m pa and salary and expenses of 20m pa?
People will have different views but if you would prefer an investing owner, rather than the Glazers, does that really make you a "no-self respecting United supporter"? A Glazer supporter would have you think so

Watch the style that will be adopted in response to this post. The whole emphasis will be maintaining credibility with the readers. He (or they) will use ridicule, (which is a warning to you all if you disagree, and a common "Sydney" tactic I might add). I will undoubtably be accused of being a MUST supporter (I'm not), accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist and "I knew I would be accused of being a Glazer supporter".

Just be cautious of this sudden, very articulate, some might say, well trained and very very opinionated new poster.

Some might say the owners were well prepared for the "negativity" on United forums that would result from SAF's comments in the past week that no further signings would be made.

Lastly, look-up "Astroturfer" on wikipedia and make-up your own minds.

Can't enter my ID. I am probably a Mysterious and Enigmatic Stranger

26 Jul 2011 18:02:04
MPEZ I have obviously upset you by calling Uncle Malcolm. As for Gans question with who i am comparing them with. Well shall we start with our noisy neighbours who's owners have done nothing but pour money into the club and not only that into the local community. They have not taken a penny out of the club. Now excuse me if that doesn't sound that great to you. But to me it sounds like they are doing things the right way. Looking after the supporters and investing heavily in the club. Is that a question answered for you GAN....RAINFISHTROMBONE"""
dear mr rainfishtrombone
was that a Freudian slip or you just half read the messages in your own warped manner?
the comparison was pre and post glazer
again
nice try dear sir
true man united fans don't compare themselves to mercenary clubs
ngiak assumed you knew that
gan

26 Jul 2011 17:25:17
I really don't get why United not signing a new midfielder has anything to do with the Glazers right now. It has to do with 1 man and 1 man only, Sir Alex Ferguson......RedFaith.............Probably the most naive thing i have ever read. Oh yes of course Sir Alex controls the finances at Old Trafford. And it is him deciding to take all the money out of the club to pay their debts..........Funny how all the pro Glazer posts are suddenly getting support from this neville guy.RAINFISHTROMBONE

26 Jul 2011 17:18:46
With all this Glazer discussion, I would suggest reading Andersredblog. Interesting observations regarding the latest Fergie comments re: the 5 retired players allowing the financing of the new arrivals.

26 Jul 2011 15:51:35
@RAINFISHTROMBONE

I really don't get why United not signing a new midfielder has anything to do with the Glazers right now. It has to do with 1 man and 1 man only, Sir Alex Ferguson.

There was no need for him to buy Ashley Young and Jones at a combine 32mil. They do not improve our first 11 as you said. 32 mil. Money (+ maybe 5 mil which we may get from selling some fringe players) enough to buy a BIG NAME central midfielder. Its not the owners' fault now is it that he wanted to spend it on the players he did?

Nobody would have cared had we not gone for these players and just got in Sneijder for eg. Their combine wages would easily have covered his extravagant 220k a week.

We could then have got the "striker" Red Man has been agitating for and sold Berbatov and all fans would have been "appeased". Glory hunters and "true" supporters alike. That would showed him "ambition" and he may finally have rested about his "suspicions".

SAF clearly has the money the money to spend this summer, its so blatantly obvious yet you seem to be trying to convince others in your Glazer theory, sadly this summer at least it ain't true.

Whom are we going to get? Modric clearly wants a Chelsea move. The Nasri situation is unclear. You clearly aren't in favour of signing Sneijder from some of your previous posts and imo your right too and SAF may be thinking along the same lines. Also Inter have to look at their fans too and would want a replacements before he is gone that complicates it even further so it does take TIME. Wilshere simply will not be sold, be it 40mil or 50mil with Fabregas and Nasri already as good as gone. Apart from that i don't think there is any other midfielder on the planet who is AVAILABLE in the role we want and who significantly improve us RIGHT NOW.

One can go into the second line of prima donna "superstars" (mostly from south america playing in a poor serie a or brazilian league making some fancy flicks) but do you honestly believe any of the Pastores and Gansos or Neymars of this world are going to improve us 1 bit in the immediate future or will they even settle? SAF has never been a fan of buying just for the sake of it.

If we are looking at "long term" and not short term then what is wrong with our own youth instead of these "big names"?

This is what "no value in the market" really means.

REDFAITH

P.S. Can't wait for your reply calling me a glazer employee.

26 Jul 2011 14:40:54
I think good old rainy is a few more days away from having a nervous breakdown. His old posts, even though they were rubbish in content always had an underlined message of love for the club, but lately everything he spouts out sounds like someone who's fallen out of love with the club

Cheer up rainy, WHEN we sign a central midfielder you can stop all the angry comments and enjoy the up and coming season

Mumbles

26 Jul 2011 11:58:36
Gans got rainfishtrombone running scared

26 Jul 2011 11:46:32
Ahaha rainfish...rather see gan and ed007 flirting lol...but i agree with ed007 ...if we dont have people like lfc / blair.....we would have no one to ridicule all day long"""
dear mr dj
first ngiak does not flirt with humans
second he seems to have an eye on this Jenny person
so ngiak is not sure what you mean with the above statement
gan

26 Jul 2011 11:38:15
dear mr rainfishtrombone
ngiak is very amused
looks like you are converting the young, success hungry, vociferous, and pampered new man united fans
good for you... like ngiak says everyone has a role especially on a banter site
since you have evaded ngiak's questions for a year
evaded ngiak himself for almost that period other than a few choice insults
ngiak shall refrain from answering your questions in your last post
why?
cos the answers are in ngiak's questions of you he has been asking the last year or so are the answers to your unsubstantiated and very calculated biased views
enjoy spreading the virus of hate on this website
and enjoy trying to break up our club for a justification and reason that you yourself fail to fathom
we will still be strong mr rainfishtrombone with or without your negative influence
gan

26 Jul 2011 11:29:06
Rainfish you've been at it again, you need to remember to take your happy pills or these kind of outbursts will keep happening. lol. On a more serious note you asked are any of us more confident about this season than last, and a have to say yes i am.
The reasons for this are-
We have the same core of players that won the league and did well in europe, but we have added competition for places with Young Jones Cleverley and Welbeck thus hopefully raising the game of those in direct competition for those places.
We have several young players who will fill the need to step up and fill the void left by the older players leaving(Nani, Anderson, Smalling, Cleverley, Welbeck ect).
I am confident that if he can get a good pre-season under his belt thus conditioning him for the forth coming season(something he hasn't managed for 3 years) and if he can stay injury free then i am expecting we'll all see the best of Anderson. Nani was one of our best players last season but when they both signed it was Anderson who was clearly the more talented it's just his injuries and Sir Alex's playing him out of position that held him back(like Sir Alex did with Rooney when he used to play him on the left, he's played Anderson deeper then he should to improve his all round game).
I also expect Nani to continue the improvement in his game(all that needs to be improved is his decision making) hopefully meaning he'll have a better season than last.
Rooney is fully fit and in good form from the start of the season rather then it taking until the latter part of the season to kick on like last year.
I expect Evra to have a better season than last now he's had a proper rest, which he hadn't had in 18 months going into the start of last season and i think it showed.
Then we have Fabio and Rafael who keep improving and i see them being better this year as they continue their rise to what i expect will eventually be the best full backs in the world.
As of yet i've seen no major improvement in our league rivals or champions league rivals(Barca have sign Sanchez but does he really improve their first 11?) so until i see them signing the best players in the world i feel confident that we have enlarged the gap between them and ourselves with the imrovements i've seen in us.
Then last but by no means least i feel we have the best manager for the job who knows what he's doing far more then any of us could really understand.
So i am much more confident going into this coming season, also i wouldn't totally rule out us signing one more player between now and the 1st of september but if we don't i still feel confident of us winning silverwear this coming season.
Shappy

26 Jul 2011 10:22:12
Do something nice today. Its the birthday of the little lad with terminal cancer Jack Marshall, a United supporter. If you have a twitter account and have a bit of time, please send the lad a happy birthday message. Ta lads.

Can't leave ID...Batman/Spiderman mysterious, enigmatic stranger etc.

26 Jul 2011 09:13:56
He has not said 5 experienced players had to go to finance the 3 players coming in, he said 5 players leaving helped finance the 3 young players. Lets not forget the five that left the club made United a measly £6m."""
dear mr Sydney!
5?
lets see
hargreaves, scholes, vds, brown, oshea
what about the new poster? the nevillier?
that makes 6 right?
talking about in the know
remember the end of last season when ngiak mentioned only 3 signings... :)?
well,
ngiak is not blowing his trumpet as yet
cos
for 1, at least kusczczak and gibson will leave
2 more players are being negotiated
one of them is a youngster.. or a cheap buy
well, hope its true...
gan

26 Jul 2011 09:05:38
25 Jul 2011 19:37:33
Ahaha rainfish...rather see gan and ed007 flirting lol...but i agree with ed007 ...if we dont have people like lfc / blair.....we would have no one to ridicule all day long
people like them with no self respect are essential for this site as without them we would be completely boored. Btw i must admit (Mr.) Bond that this site is more addictive than facebook/twitter
DJ


ah balls . I replied wrong damn post. your post might not be everyones cup of tea but it didnt warrent areshole. wrong person got the dagger. typical no name post shoulda got it. your post was harmless mate sticking it to the oppo normal banter. re read it this morning without too many beers from a birthday. The no namer was sticking it to our own fans. so I owe an apology d.j your right mate. would be criminal. cons red

26 Jul 2011 01:03:08
Just a quick question, are there any genuine ITK's in here or are the Rumours posted in here from supposed twitter ITK's, guesswork or things taken from the press? Have read here a lot and recently decided to post and have always wondered if there is anyone here who actually knows a little of things going on behind the scenes. What about the eds, any if you in the know? If so, anything going on at United are is our business finished as stated? I'd be happy enough if it was, would like to see the youth get a chance in midfield, think Pogba is gonna be a force in the Premier League over the next few years

The Neviller {Ed007's Note - We know some people ;-)