Manchester United Banter Archive July 26 2013

 

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26 Jul 2013 23:11:49
Until Cesc gives an interview don't believe
the hype. The new manager has only been
there 2 days and all the Cesc moving chapter
was well and truly rolling before he got a
phone call about taking over at Barca
Only Fabregas will make the decision not Gerardo
Dont forget its World Cup season and he needs to
play. He couldn't start that many games and with
Neymar being signed it will make it even harder to
showcase his talents and we are going to double
his wages. just wait and see

Bfro

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Bfro, I agree with you. I think if Fabregas wants to move, then he will put pressure on the club to sell him. They know it is stupid to keep an unhappy player when they can get big money for him.
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 22:28:35
Hi folks

This Transfer Window may become our worse one in Years, I am only speculating but already I feel that we may not be signing anyone or for that matter are unable to attract anyone to our club.

Our pre season has been far from Impressive to say the least, with areas identified all over the field as in need of Maintenance so to speak.

I may be wrong, I'm speculating and really really hope we get some signings but its hard to see things getting any better.

Here is hoping to better things from Monday

Reddevil

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27 Jul 2013 07:28:43
Our pre-season, even though they are friendlies, has been dogsh#te! One win in four games. !

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Got to say, our previous season games have not been great. Team conceding silly goals, we still look very vulnerable when out of possession. But on the good side, I think zaha in particular has shown great promise and I personally hope he is given a chance.
If what thiago is to be beloved when he said united did not bid for him, then I find that strange, why wouldn't we bid for thiago? I think the Fabregas chase is a difficult one, but you never know.
I think wanyama could have done well for us and he didn't cost the earth.
Nomidfield

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Diatribe I don't agree because even if we don't sign any players at least moyes will have seen zaha and januzaj play so may give them game time (especially zaha). It has also reaffirmed the need for midfielders and blatantly shows we need cover for Carrick. In my opinion moyes will definately bring in one midfielder possibly two.

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I would not worry about our defense too much as long as Vidic is back for the season.

Shahram

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26 Jul 2013 22:25:59
I think we should give up on fabregas, I would love to get him but we seem to be spending all our effort on him and it doesn't look likely. I would like for us to see how unsettled verratti at psg actually is? Because the little I've seen of him he seems to show a lot of promise he's young, has a brilliant pass and can tackle. He seems to be just what we need in my opinion. I hope we try and have a go for him at least.

Gman1286

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If he is available in any way, then you're right, we should try to get him.
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 22:12:19
Who really thinks Fabregas was ever coming? I think he's loving utd putting so much effort into getting him knowing he's never coming, does anyone remember him throwing pizza at sir Alex? Don't you think that would be all over the papers the day ever signed making it a difficult start. Don't think he loves utd, so I don't think it would be the great move everyone seems to think it would. I would prefer ozil but probably won't get anyone of that quality, I really am worried about the perception of our club to the rest of the world and hope we don't go backwards now.
Tookers

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I actually posted something similar a few days ago, I don't think Fabregas has any love for united, however, I think rvp does get on well with him. So let's hope!
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 22:03:23
What's Ed Woodward been up to? He left Australia to work on some urgent transfer business. anyway, conspiracy theory this may well be but do you think Fergie saw Manchester United summer transfer plans and a weak strategy which brought forward his retirement plans? I remember Fergie telling the media he would make room in his team if a player i. e. Lewandowski became available and that United have been doing work for the last three or four months then Ed Woodward a day or so later some what contradicted that statement by suggesting that there won't be a major retooling of the squad, and then week or so later Fergies retirement plans became public. Something just does not add up.

Imran

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26 Jul 2013 21:17:13
Is there any news on Di Maria, if Nani were to leave, and he were to come in at a similar price we would have improved our team alot. There was some developments a month or so a go, but it's all gone quite recently. I can't think of a winger with as much experience as he has that would add definite quality and would leave the cash for midfield additions.

Nathaniel

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We don't need any more wingers, januzaj and zaha and lingard can all do a job,

di maria is way over rated, we really need to focus on a couple of good cm's,

wish everyone would stop pretending this is fifa,

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I believe that Madrid wanted close to £30M for him.

we enquired, met with reps and got a reply of bid £30M.

Therefore we pulled out of any potential deal.

Zaha and Young are likely to be our wingers for next season.

The Moon.

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Noname - we cannot rely on one promising Championship player, and two kids to help us out this season. Not fair on them for a start, to put that much pressure on them.

Di Maria would be a quality addition to most teams, and I'd love to see him at OT.

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Stevie k, you sound like Alan Hansen and we know happened next

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Andrew, unfortunately, promising as they are, our current youngsters are not of the quality of '92 IMO.

Still think we should keep Januzaj and Zaha here this season, rather than send them on loan, so they can get some good first-team experience.

I just don't think it's wise to rely on them to get us through the season.

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26 Jul 2013 21:16:55
Any of the eds can u confirm any other targets that united are looking at apart from fabregas. Our pre seasn tour is gna end and we havnt signed any1. what happend to deal with garay accrdng 2 pres it complets every week and what hapens with baines we hant put second bid for him. Moyes said he is looking to add atleast 2 plyrs and people behind d scene are working hard so who are they working on except fabregas.

Sid

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26 Jul 2013 13:27:52
Hi eds
Could you tell me who United are likely to sign this summer? I know they have been linked with just about everybody but in your opinion who are they likely to get?
Thanks in advance.

KM {Ed004's Note - Garay and Baines are the only ones I could predict}

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26 Jul 2013 21:01:50
i stated the facts the other night about fabregas, s dislike for the interesting one after he tried to sink cesc with the F. A. by running to the papers telling tales like a child, when he was everton manager, it doesn't help that he has no love for Man United either, if cesc ever comes back to the epl it will be as a gunner, I realise you all may be a bit touchy at the moment so you have my permission to fire away with both barrels if it releaves the stress and frustration you undoubtedly have at the moment
trev the gooner

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Lol imagine him back at the gooners, not winning trophies for another 8 years. I bet he can't wait!

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Fabregas in 2009, "I'm a massive Man United fan"

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I'd 8-2 support Arsenal. Maybe Cesc would like to near double his wages? Could he have discovered he enjoys winning things now he has a taste?
I understand the clinging to the past, hence the trolling of our page over Cesc. At least this proves you might be old. Enough to remember winning that FA CUP 8yrs ago. Thanks to a great performance from Lehman. If it weren't for him (obviously against us) it'd be longer since the cobwebs on the trophy cabinet door got stretched. ;)

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That's fine mate, personally, I think he'll stay with barca. Plenty of fish in the sea.
nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 22:39:14
Patzi,

Arsenal could easily double his wages, all pointless arguments from you guys and gagus, have you heard the term "tongue in cheek"

Personally I don't give a toss where he goes, he ain't our player and we've made no plans for him to be in our squad and to be honest your need is way greater than ours, so good luck.

COYFG

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Patzi
youve changed the words around a bit, but that is basicly the same reply as the other night, its nice to know your teacher has taught you to paste and copy, you should be able to use those 2 paragraphs quite a few times, if you rearange the words i'd say 10 posts and maybe 15 late sat night posts before anyone notices, ERR DOH! me and my big mouth.

trev the gooner

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Dont worry too much for us Trev I reckon we will make it through these tough times ;)

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Trev, I hate to point it out, but you can't paste and then copy, ERR DOH! Typical dumb southerner.

Brendan81

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Good one Mr O Brien ;)

Deeps.

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G. A. G. U. S are u kidding? He said that *once*, in a pre match interview when arsenal where playing utd at OT.

If you look at the whole interview in context, its no more than what u might expect. A player being respectful, etc and cesc did say he admired utd and is a massive fan of how the club is etc.

But that one comment is no comparison for his affection for AFC and genuine relationship with wenger.

Try this for an e. g.
Oct 2012.

'Apart from Arsenal and Barcelona, I don't see myself playing anywhere else, '

It was a dream of mine to play for Barca, but I was not bitter at Arsenal, " he said. "On the contrary, I was living somewhere which, for me, was the most beautiful city in the world, I was in an incredible team with a superb coach and supporters I adored.

"It was not a question of life or death. If Barca had not come in for me, I would have played my whole career at Arsenal. That was certain. "

Yes, there are teams who pay better, " he said. "But it was always clear to me. Either go to Barca or stay at Arsenal. The last thing on my mind was money and I have come to Barca and I earn less money. "

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Do I have to post Robin van Persie's comments again, no name?

We're a bigger club than you btw.

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G. A. G. U. S I am very aware of rvp's comments.

That was my whole point- you pick on one comment out of context from years ago. what does it actually mean.

Did you honestly say, "we're a bigger club than you btw "!

That's hilarious. Do you not think I don't know that! You are one of the biggest sporting franchise's in the world, let a lone in football.

It's the fact you had the need to say that which is funny. Its obvious, its something that goes without saying (or so I would think).

But perhaps you are feeling a little nervous, after your SAF has gone and enter a new era which is unknown, so perhaps you needed to remind me that you're a bigger club or something.

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Gagus
you can't compare the two players, one is a decent honest lad who plays with his heart on his sleeve, and isn't motivated by greed and money the other is rvp
trev the gooner

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Didnt RVP turn down more money from certain other rich clubs to play for the true champions? and what a good choice that was, a premier league medal in his first season. hardly motivated by money is it? probably thinking why did I waste all them years at arsenal, which is what him and cesc will talk about when they speak.

duggo

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City offered him more money. Keep trying to rationalize ways to make RVP out to be a bad guy by claiming he left u for more money. He left you to win trophies. Bc Arsenal don't win trophies. The guy gave so many years carrying your sad team and when he decides he'd like to win a trophy before he retires and moves to a club where that might actually happen now u hate him and make up bull excuses like he went for the money. He moved to a real football club. Get over it. -KG

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Oi lads be careful with trev, he once threatened to set malaga on me lol it didn't end well, but u have to give trev credit, not only has he managed to delude himself but he has managed to get a few goners to follow him.

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26 Jul 2013 20:57:12
The only players I'm sure we can go for all out and have them because they are available in the market are;

Fellaini
Cabaye
Baines
Garay

. so let's go out for them

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Not much creativity in midfield then!

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Yes
Definitely not
Why
Possible

Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 20:57:04
Fabregas

I note the meltdown after the comments today. However let us note one or two points.
Firstly I didn't note any comments that "he is my first choice central to my plans" type comment. Mainly because the new Coach and Fabregas know that he will likely play the same role this season as last and probably the season after this, before finally being first choice at 28, or would he? Now Neymar has arrived it adds to his problems.
Secondly it was the Vice President saying it not the President
Thirly Cesc is not as popular as others at Barca so the Vice President may have miscalculated aligning himself with a campaign to keep Cesc or maybe pushed into the limelight by the President so the comments doesn't carry as much weight.
Lastly there was no comment from Cesc, so far

Who knows what will happen but if Moyes has identified Cesc as THE player he wants, Mr "NoRetooling" Woodward needs to deliver and so do the owners who let's be honest supposedly supported SAF 100% every time. Otherwise it will be excruciatingly embarrassing having specified our interest.

I think this may have some time to run and Woodward may have to make an offer they can't refuse but I wonder just how much Cesc wants to move especially if all he heard today was the same as us. That is they say he isn't for sale not that he is suddenly an important first choice.

It may come down to whether they will accept a higher bid, but at some point Cesc may have to decide his future based on playing time. Just remember we have had club men proud to be a squad player but is that what Cesc wants for himself until Xavi retires, in business it's called dead mans shoes. (For those who played you dreaded the awarding of the club man of the year award) To come to us Cesc may have to ask for a transfer and whether that is a step too far is what may ultimately define the situation.

The one worry I had over the deal was that this was the day the MEN ran the Ronaldo story again, one way to bury bad news but Ronaldo and Fabregas have been my number one choice for some time.

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26 Jul 2013 22:12:29
Well hopefully Scholes' comments carry abit of weight and helps persuade Fabregas that he is wanted and valued here at United. Or he can be a bit part player again for Barcelona.

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26 Jul 2013 20:37:57
I know SAF has retired. It if he has the pull everyone on here thinks he has, why has he not been engaged to smooth some transfers through? He's still employed by the club, a call from SAF saying 'we really want you', the new manager has big plans and so on would surely help and I don't think it undermines Moyes, just helps the transition

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God u don't know fergie very well do you. He would not want moyes doing better than him!

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It will undermine Moyes.
Nomidfield

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I think Moyes is in way over his head at the moment, it's going to take time for him to feel part of the old Trafford family so to speak, if he ever does. he is still evaluating the players he has at his disposure at the moment and I don't think he would even know what his first team on paper would be for the first game of the season as yet!Moyes was great at getting the best out of his ordinary players at Everton and I can't help but think its one of the major reasons why he was brought in!i can't help but think that utd will be run on an extremely tight budget but will show them putting in low bids for players such as thiago, fabregas and ronaldo to put bums on seats at old Trafford!
I don't kno what it is but I don't have a great feeling about Moyes at the moment!and i'm not having a go at him or anything!our pre season hasn't filled me full of confidence that's for sure!i just feel Moyes is swimming in deep waters he can't handle!i know we will give him time but I feel I'tl be a long
time before we win the title again!as I think the next two seasons could be a learning curve for moyes but by then it could be worse. it could be the end of an era, I realy hope I'm wrong

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26 Jul 2013 20:16:57
Theres been a potential transfer rumour that has gone under the radar so to speak. The deal i'm on about is the possibility of Smalling leaving on loan to Cardiff or anyone for that matter. Is this how we are going to fit in another CB.

I have high expectations of Smalling, I think he is going to be a class player. But he has had a couple of injuries and hasn't cememted himself a place in the starting line up.

So if we keep Rio and Vidic for another year to help keep the dressing room settled while Moyes gets used to the ropes. We then have Jones, Evans and the potential new CB to work as cover.

Smalling leaves on loan and gets plenty of game time which he needs to help recover and regain form anf confidence. Then he returns to the club next summer a much better player and ready to replace Rio who would retire.

This would be an ideal situation imo.

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Id have to agree tbh, if he can't get a regular spot for us perhaps a year on loan playing every week would be advantageous? This makes more sense though if someone like garay joins until Rio leaves next year. Otherwise we need to keep him I think

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I don't think he is very good positionally. And of course his development has not been helped with the injuries.
Nomidfield

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When he plays centre half he looks scared to death when we start being attacked. Starts to panic especially when someone gives him the ball! He is another player like Evans who will continue to make mistakes and every one will says he has potential until he is 35 then realise how average he was. Meanwhile we could have had someone better in the side.

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No name,

Scared to death when he gets the ball? He is such a confident player on the ball that's why people talk about him as the new rio.

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26 Jul 2013 20:12:14
Moyes said that deals where near to completion last week?? Who was he on about because we don't seam anywhere near signing any1

Marm

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Scholes might be persuaded to come out from retirement. Again!
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 19:15:45
maybe now we should have gone for the soton player sniederlin if that's spelt correctly and the celtic lad wymana what ever he was called at least we may have got them 2

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26 Jul 2013 20:57:16
@ AJH

Not to mention players who aren't good enough for Manchester United.

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Improve your knowledge. if u call urself a football fan.
Wanyama is gone to southhampton ages ago.
Wake up

Rodio17

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Before u reply. appology in advance for telling u off without reading your banter properlly. sorry mate.

Rodio17

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26 Jul 2013 19:08:53
Chill out lads! Barca aren't going to have a press conference with their new manager and announce that they are willing to sell Fabregas. Moyes did the very same during his first press conference yet Rooney will more than likely move in the not too distant future. One day the press say Fabrgas is staying, this morning he has told friends he wants the move to United and I'm sure there will be the same conflicting stories tomorrow! First and foremost there has clearly been contact regarding the transfer so sit tight and see what happens.

The current hot topic is that Moyes cannot attract big names to United. What a complete load of rubbish. Hands up who has heard of Martino before this week? Players are motivated by money and success, managers come and go and I can't recall many professionals having the attitude that "if the manager goes I go too". Thiago claims no contact with United yet his father, his agent claims that he was extremely close to a United deal and pep made the difference, accept it and move on! The club have made it clear that they are willing to spend, only Moyes and Woodward will know who they have approached and any new signings will be made as fast as possible. Calm down and give the man a chance. No club in England has signed any player this summer that I would have wanted United to buy. It's in the best interests of the Glazers and the club to make a statement by backing the manager and I believe a quality signing or 2 will be made.

Gerdy7

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Gerry

Well said although such common sense is completely unnecessary. Try a bit of doom and gloom and negativity like so many others

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Oops, your name auto-corrected. Sorry

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Think money and success go hand in hand as it did when city won title my money says same thing will happen next season so we had better start spending no doom no gloom or negativity just FACT

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'Money and success go hand in hand'

How much have RM won recently? And City? Blackburn back in the day? It's no guarantee whatsoever.

StevieK

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Boarshaw who won the league the year after city won?

Hb

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You are right about the new barca manager, only difference is that barca already have a superb team while we don't in the midfield area.
Also barca are a lot more attractive to most players than united. It is hard to admit it, but it is true.
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 18:58:58
Anyone else rather fed up with the way the transfer window has gone so far?hope the next few weeks go abit better!

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No, I'm delighted, couldn't have gone better :-/

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Weeks? I hope we get a midfield before the start of the season, otherwise we'll be in trouble.
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 18:57:08
Fellaini 22M
Reus 30M
Kondogbia?M
Baines 12-15M

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Makes no sense to buy both Fellaini and kondogbia

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You can't have enough midfuielders, and fellaini can play in several positions.
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 18:50:00
Now fabregas has become unlikely to get, who's next? I believe we need one solid midfield player with champions league experience and a creative midfielder!

Midfield options

Vidal
Kondogbia
Lars bender
Sven bender
Gustavo
Veratti
De Rossi
Modric
Gundogen
Koke
Marchisio
Kroos
Hamsik
Ozil

There just to list a few! I know a lot of them are maybe going to be hard to sign but they are players we should be aiming at to solve the midfield! I know there's more options than I listed. So what two midfield players do you think we will need/ possibly sign!

I'd like to see Vidal and gundogen ( expensive! But I can dream)

Trev the red {Ed004's Note - A midfield of Vidal and Gundogan would be quality}

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Id love to see us sign Kroos, so underrated.

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Agree with Ed004, Gundogan and Vidal would compliment each other perfectly. 1 defensive 1 creative, however both can do both. Probably cost us closer to £ 60 - 65 million though.

Sulei

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Yes that's what I call a dream

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I'd still love to see Hamsik come in with a Gustavo/Bender/Vidal. I can't see BVB selling Gundogen but then again with Napoli's new riches, I can't see them selling Hamsik either.

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I think Vidal will be the perfect signing as he is solid and great passer and has hinted he wants to leave, not sure who the other player would be, did mention gundogen but BVB wouldn't sell this year.

Trev the red

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Vidal and gundogan or modric will be great. Not holding my breath though.
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 18:31:53
French newspaper reporting that Nani is in advanced talks with PSG, surely nothing to it considering their other signings? I thought he was off to Monaco anyway.


cnk

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26 Jul 2013 17:47:07
Hi Guys Everton fan here I only posting on your site as I am wondering if anyone has suggested this. Rooney swap for Fabregas only thought of this because it is suggested if you don't get cesc then Fellaini will be your next choice, although I don't want us to sell our best players, even though Fellaini is younger than Baines I would rather lose Fellaini because he is replaceable and has got his faults but Baines would be a great loss defensively and offensively. Anyway just a thought about a swap what do you guys think?

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I'd love it to happen but I'm not sure where Barca would play Rooney.

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Fellaini is not an alternative to Cesc. Too completely different roles on the pitch.

BornInToIt

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I think if we wanted to buy Fellaini we have done it already. His release clause expires in a few days and its not a case of Fabragas or Fellaini because they are totally different kinds of midfielders.

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Barcelona need money to buy a centre back, so a swap deal is not on the cards. If we have any chance of guetting fabregas, it would be cash

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Swap fab for vidic I heard rumour and posted it on rumour site few weeks ago

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Why dot ey need money when they've just sold Thiago?

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26 Jul 2013 17:38:00
Possible Factors influencing United's lack of purchasing of players so far.

1. David Moyes - he is a new manager - trying to be cautious and not overreach himself. He is probably still assessing his squad.
2. Finances - although we have a high turnover each year - strict financial controls means we only spend we can afford. Although no budget figure was announced for transfers there will be one.
3. We have a strong squad and we need to bring through some of the younger ones like Keane, Lindegaard and Januzek.
4. Some of the mega rich clubs can offer wage packages and terms and conditions which exceed United's.
5. Rooney situation needs to be cleared up soon or it will muddy the waters for the new season. My feeling is he should be sold for 30 million and we then move on.

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Dont worry we will be putting a add in newspaper shortly like macasfield or carlisel next a red united fan

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1. Don't accept that - the club will know where we are weak and Moyes will want to bring in 'his' players
2. Fair point although rumour has it we are cash rich
3. Slightly less fair point as I'm not sure who Januzek is and i'm not sure our No 2 goalie is a youngster.
4. Completely agree
5. Completely agree

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26 Jul 2013 17:34:14
Now it looks like fabregas has sailed away, who are we actually strongly linked with midfield wise, pulling my hair out wondering

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26 Jul 2013 17:00:37
Are we simultaneously working on any other deals at the moment?

Because right now it looks like Fabregas is the be all and end all of our Transfers.

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26 Jul 2013 16:38:25
Right. Forget all this transfer nonsense, I have a real problem to solve. As far as this issue goes, I've heard a lot of suggestions on here so far, none of which have convinced me in terms of rhythm, rhyme, scansion or snappiness. So, let's put this one to bed shall we?

If the youngsters do come through under DM they should be called Moyes' Boys (pronounced quickly: moyses boys).

You're welcome.

Da Rob Man.

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I think we have a winner.

Hassan.

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That sounds like it will give a lot of bait to the gooners, remember arsene wenger

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26 Jul 2013 16:10:37
arsenal fan here. regarding cesc, I can't see him signing for united. because whatever bid you make, we now have the money to match it. people wonder why arsenal isn't interested in cesc, that is because wenger knows he's not moving. wenger's like a father to him. they talk in the phone regularly. and most importantly, we're hopefully going to compete for the title again thanks to our new sponsor deals. not necessarily this season, but the season after I expect us to be a lot more stronger. we can afford both suarez and fabregas, and we would still have money left.

iceman

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26 Jul 2013 17:04:17
I hear that united are going in for Liverpool striker Suarez as there big signing, arsenal will not be happy but also some united fans will be angry but it is confirmed that united have made contact with Liverpool with nani and welbeck going the other way, it will give united a deadly strike force even if it upsets people

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Lol u the exact type of fan ure club loves

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26 Jul 2013 17:18:42
I bet you still believe in Santa as well

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Easy there tiger, fabregas and suarez would cost over 85 million. and you're in need of a defensive midfielder since you have Wilshere, cazorla and Rosisky for the am spot.

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Why would he want to return to Arsenal though?

In all fairness, your star Wilshere is constantly injured and you lack any real world class talent.

At United he can play with players like Vidic, Rooney, Van Persie and Carrick.

While at Barcelona he can play with Iniesta, Messi, Xavi, Neymar, etc.

Both Barcelona and United have world class players (although Barcelona do have more).

Although with Barca he will never be given a starting place, not at least for 3/4 more seasons.

So at United he could have world class players, a starting place and a great chance at silverware.

At Arsenal, he has a squad which is far worse than it was when he left, and an so far unfulfilled statement of 'we can afford the best'.

From a players point of view I just can't see him wanting to go back to Arsenal right now, at the same time I don't see him at United either.

If Cesc isn't interested in Joining United then he sure as hell isn't interested in joining Arsenal.

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Mate leave them alone. They enjoy leaving in denial.

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Yet u have signed. yaya sanogo?

We all know wot wenger is like buddy

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So you're the club accountant with Wengers phone bugged?

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26 Jul 2013 18:12:45
I know its easy to be down, as we haven't signed anybody yet of any note. I rather not buy anybody if we can't get our main targets. Why have people in on over inflated prices who the club itself did see as its main targets. Often here posters complain youth isn't given its chance, well this season we will have to. It's not Moyes's fault or the suits. Sadly compared to the glamour of Madrid, Munich, Barcelona, Paris or, Monaco we can't compete. Players determine where they go these days not the clubs. Is there anybody out there truly busting a gut saying I want to play for Man Utd. Please do not be na�ve with Ronaldo's posturing, that's about securing a mega pay deal at Real.
Simply we have to do as SAF said at the end of the season and get behind our new manager and our team. The players who will the red of Utd want to be there and that's what we want players who are desperate to play for us, not individuals who want a few extra quid for the latest WAG or yacht. Keep the Faith

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I really enjoyed reading these replies. haven't heard of united going for suarez but who knows if it's to replace rooney?

i just said we could afford suarez and fabregas. I said I expect him to stay. sorry but barca can offer him everything you can, except he has to fight for the starting spot a bit.

i do agree he's not what arsenal need first. we need a striker and a holding midfielder. however cesc is a special player for wenger and he probably wouldn't hesitate to spend big to get him, no matter who we already have.

arsenal is on the up. we don't need to sell every window anymore to pay the stadium debt. we have a solid base. it's still lacking, but it's getting better and better now. I bet cesc would be interested to take the challenge if barca suddenly sold him.

i'm from the land of santa. of course I believe in him! i've seen him.

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26 Jul 2013 16:05:35
Pretty clear statement yet gain from Barca that they are not prepared to sell Fabregas. There must have been some encouragement to Utd to press this hard but it does seem that movement will only come now if Cesc asks for a transfer.
Our strategy this Summer has been difficult to understand. Why we didn't chase Thiago is beyond me considering he could have been ours for a relatively modest fee. Fellaini would only be a reasonable buy if it was to play alongside a creative force, such as Fabregas. To buy him alone would, in my view, be a waste of money.

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26 Jul 2013 17:20:58
Because thiago only wanted to sign for pep. If we had pep as manager we would have thiago

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Paulo we did bid for Thiago and we matched Bayern's bid. He choose them over us. Not a lot you can do about that.

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Emptyred, I think we could, and should, have tried harder to convince him. SAF used to give transfer prospects personal tours of Old Trafford for example.

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26 Jul 2013 16:01:38
Arsenal do have first refusal on Cesc for 40 million euros, having said that, that's if he wants to go, which I doubt, as I doubt he will come to us, he just wants to feel loved at Barca, he spent too long trying to get back there to give it up, he just wants to show the bosses at Barca he could move if he wanted, in the hope that he will get more game time, which he probably will, because before new boss even linked with job or any vacancy, its reported he revealed Cesc one of his favourite midfielders, so he not going to let him go

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26 Jul 2013 15:30:43
Lets for arguments sake say that Fabregas is a no go. Is Modric the next most likely? I would say that he is, especially if Madrid pull off their Vidal deal. If we had Modric and Carrick in the middle then I would be delighted. We could still do with a winger, but if Bale stays at Spurs for one more year then we will have to wait another year for Ronaldo. This is a good thing financially as Ronaldo will probably be around £50 million next summer given that he has one year left. We will need a fully fit and fully commited Rooney however if we do not get Bale or Ronaldo. This remains to be seen as to whether it is do able. Very excited to see what goes on. Regardless of what happens though, I will always love United.

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I don't think real want to sell modric as he started playing well for them towards the end of last season.
Gundogan is not for sale either.
Neither are ronaldo or bale, and we cannot afford them and will not buy them.
We will not get Vidal as he will prefer to go to Real, who are prepared to pay for him.
Verratti is making noises but he'll stay at PSG.
De Rossi is an option, but he is quite old.
That leaves us with Fellaini and cabaye. I don't want either, but at a push, fellaini might do a job for us.
Of course we will always love united, but it will be great if the club could attract big talent as it once did.
I've got to say, that I know a lot of posters are not worried by our previous season form, but I am. We've had all our midfield playing and most of the defence. In attack, all have been present apart from Rooney. And we still managed one win in four against mediocre opposition. While Chelsea have been banging in eight goals past equally mediocre opposition.
Season is only round the corner and we have not bought anyone of note. In addition, we have managed to annoy one of our main players, Rooney. We seem to have had a less than favourable impression on kagawa as he now wants to leave. Our manager is making gaffs by saying some stupid things.
When the fans of other clubs used to taunt us by saying united will go downhill rapidly without saf, I used to laugh my head off. And I always used to point out that when saf retired, then we will get a proven winner to take his place, pep, mourinho, ancellotti, klopp! The rest is history!
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Fresh I agree IF Real go for Vidal, which at the moment is paper talk, they would be favourites especially after Vidal said it would be an honour to play for them. Does that mean we should not try?

As for possible alternatives outwith Vidal;

1) Gundogan excellent but unlikely to be available.

2 Veratti good potential but this is the same guy Thiago dispossessed and ran away from like a fat 5 year old during the recent U21's

3) Modric a real possibility and good player but imo not really world class

4) Fellaini I hate with a passion but even his biggest admirer could not justify a 22m or even close price tag.

5) Cabaye again not world class imo but I think he would improve us significantly and lol value in the market.

6) Mata utter class and if Rooney does go this could be possible I know he plays further forward than the others but if Chelski want Rooney its an option.

7) Gustavo I think is a possibility but would he move?

Were I manager I'd go all out for Vidal but then if I were manager we'd be in the conference.

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26 Jul 2013 17:24:33
Kagawa does not want to leave all he said was he would like to go back to Dortmund one day no different to all the times Keane said he wanted to play for Celtic don't believe the press rubbish

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Grund, I totally agree and I am glad to hear somebody finally making sense especially about Feilini.

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26 Jul 2013 15:25:34
Why is it happening to us? Sneijder, Moura, Nasri, thiago, and now Fabregas.

Whats done is done, hope we don't buy average players for the sake of buying someone.
Dont really know what others think but from the start of this "FAB SAGA" I knew that he was never going to leave barca (as they just sold thiago and XAVI is 34).
So noew next in line is IIKAY GUNDOGAN.

I ll be happy with the same squad rather than buying players like bebe, young, Diouf, tosic.

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Whoever we go for next will reject us.
Fellaini it is and I've been saying it for some time now.
Nomidfield.

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Oh my god, get a grip, how is Fabregas anything at all like Moura? He left to go to another club, Fabregas simply can't discuss terms with us because his club are playing hardball.

Lets see what happens, I am pretty confident 40 million would get them to accept then he will be ours, everybody has a price.

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If you don't pay the asking price, you don't get the goods. Unfortunately we still think we are one of the top clubs in this world, and the mere mention of our interest, makes the player take notice.
Well wake up and smell the roses, we no longer have this effect on players, the world has changed. But we're stuck in our old ways.
We will continue to miss out on the top players, for as long as we want to haggle, and drag our heels on prices etc.
We need to make up our minds, we are either a football club first and a business second, or vice versa. Unfortunately, for us fans, the present owners, see at the other way round, it is a business, then the football side comes second. And there lies your answer.
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Scholes back for xmas and what about becks he would improve our midfield as he can still do what he was always best at getting crosses in where gigs just sems to give the ball away with the Hollywood balls he tries to play

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26 Jul 2013 15:22:40
I must say I was shocked when Tata Martino didn't say, "Yeah we're selling Cesc, we want him out, please anyone take him away from us! He is sh!te. "

Get a grip. Another case of you simply believing negative quotes.

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True. They have taken the same stance that we have with Rooney, but we all know for the right price we would sell him. Simple

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Oh sweet little GAGUS, don't you know that common sense is not tolerated on this page?

Now its time to panic

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26 Jul 2013 15:16:10
Is it just me or is anyone getting worried about moyes not being able to attract top talent. At the moment, he couldn't attract a fly to a bucket of s###! Great work by the way eds, much appreciated!
Phil parry.

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It's just you. Why does Moyes have to attract the talent? Players choose to play for United not the Manager. Like so, many on here, you need to calm down and wait and see what happens. And if you're a fan do you really need to be so disrespectful?

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26 Jul 2013 15:01:22
Such an up and down performance, our one touch forward play is breath taking at times. But then we can be as brittle as glass at the back. I am very impressed with Zaha, Januzaj and Lingard - I really hope they all get games and do well. I'd say Zaha and Lingard are the most ready. Perhaps those 3 can create Moyes Minions?

It still doesn't look as though any deals appear to be coming to a head. What Barca have said couldn't be any more disappointing. Fabregas would be perfect but it looks like we will have to pull off the impossible or have Cesc put in a transfer request and I can't see him do that. What is happening with Garay? Is that all rubbish? I don't think we need him anyway so if it doesn't come off then so be it. There is seemingly no movement towards Fellaini or Baines and I don't think we have re-bid for Kondogbia. The Ronaldo rumour has resurfaced. I really want Madrid to get Bale now just to speed things along if we are going to get him.

Its been a very, very strange transfer market with everyone dragging their feet. Even Real have done nothing significant.

If we are to move on from Cesc then where are we going from there? If we are going for Ronaldo then that rules out Ronaldo as they won't sell both. Gundogan is odds on to stay at Dortmund. De Rossi could be tempted but he is really ageing. Verratti will stay at PSG I would expect. Cabaye in my opinion is not United starting quality despite being superior to what we have apart from Carrick. Vidal looks to be leaving Juve but Madrid will get him I'm sure.

Its tough to see where we are going and what we are plotting in the transfer market. We may end up with our 5th or 6th choice players.

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I diagree, while Zaha is clearly a much better option than most of our current wingers I think Januzaj looks more comfortable and confident on the ball than Lingard, Jesse isn't far behind though.

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I wouldn't say Madrid have t done anything significant, Illaramendi looks like he is going to be a world class talent within the next couple of years.

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26 Jul 2013 14:55:01
You lot are making me laugh. When Moyes said Rooney will stay and that he is not for sale I bet most of you think he will go. Fergie said he wouldn't sell Madrid a virus, then sold Ronaldo within weeks.

You think Liverpool will keep Suarez because they said no? so why do we all listen to Barca's boss and take it as gospel? Just wait and see what happens.

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The difference was Ronaldo wanted to go to Madrid.
Fabregas doesn't or he would pushed the transfer through by handing in a transfer request.
United were powerless to stop Ronaldo, it's a completely different scenario.

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The only difference is Fabregas hasn't said he wants to leave. I think the deal hinges on that

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And how long are we expected to wait 1redarmy

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26 Jul 2013 14:48:39
hey if any of the eds round can u give us your opinion on fab story new manager says he is not for sale do u think this is the end of the transfer or do you see us making another bid what bt other signings who do u think will arrive because the way we are playing in pre season and I no its only pre season but we need at least 2 midfielders and a centre half and left back {Ed007's Note - IMO Utd have bid for Fabregas knowing they wouldn't get him. I will be amazed if he is at Utd next season. Utd have needed two midfielders for the past few seasons, so no difference there and I still have a sneaky suspicion that Fellaini will come in.}

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Bond do you think this is to appease the fans? So it makes it look like the club are trying to get the best? Or is this just mind games and it makes news of our real targets go under the radar? I really am hoping this has nothing to do with them upstairs and is just a cover up whilst Moyes goes and gets his man. Thanks. {Ed007's Note - I don't know the reasoning for it, sorry. Surely if there was any chance of him leaving Barca there would be other teams very interested in him but no, it seems it is just Utd. It's all a bit strange plus it's not often Utd do transfers so publicly.}

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I agree it's all very odd. Somethings up! Thanks Bond. {Ed007's Note - No probs.}

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26 Jul 2013 14:47:35
I'm not one to trust the suits, and I think that Barcelona's stance on Fabregas may be to appease the fans and not have any bad publicity on Toto's first day.

But if we do indeed fail on guetting Fabregas, who doyou guys think we should go after? I'd say Gundogan or Modric but in that case we'd have to keep Rooney imo.

rooney cannot be sold without beeing replaced, and Fabregas would not only be Rooney's replacement, he could also be Paul Scholes' depending on the game. Now if Rooney is to be sold, we need a game changer in our squad since Van Persie is all we got. I would go for Draxler.

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Draxler is not for sale this year

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Draxler, Gundogan and Coentrão would be excellent :)

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26 Jul 2013 14:38:44
Its been said before, but why is it just because Barcelona say Fabregas isn't for sale we take it as gospel he's not moving then when we say Rooney's going nowhere that's different?
I have a 16 year old who has been at the Academy for 6 years and believe me this club is a machine behind the scenes and up to now we've not missed out on anybody the club has publicly targeted. Thiago said himself we didn't show much interest which reiterates what what Moyes also said but many on here still choose not to believe it.
If we miss out on Fabregas i'm sure it won't be for the want of trying but if he chooses to stay at a club like Barcelona who can blame him let's be honest its hardly slumming it. So if we need to move on to the next target so be it MUFC has very rarely let me down in the past and i'm confident this season will be no different. patience people.
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Good post. I totally agree. However I am just puzzled at our direction. We seem to be pursuing the impossible. Who knows, we may just end up with Ronaldo & Fellaini. How awful ;)

Fresh!

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Thanx for the nice little insight :)

I too would be competely amazed if utd didn't sign two top class mid fielders before the start of the season

for a club as big and professional not to address such a glaring deficiency in its product is unthinkable.

its like ford producing cars without wheels

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26 Jul 2013 14:34:47
Reading down the page:

ARE YOU ALL OFF YOUR HEADS?

Look at the posts from people, 'no Fabregas', 'he's not coming'.

David Moyes quotes on Wayne Rooney: 'He is not leaving, he is not for sale'. How many people on here believe him when he says that? I know I certainly don't.

Martino quote on Fabregas 'I don't want to get into finances but we have rejected the first and second bids so I imagine we will reject the third. ' How many people believe him when he says that? Absolutely every poster on this site!

Come on guys, you do not have to comment negatively to every bit of negative news that comes out on every saga, and ignore any bit of positive news that comes out, its so obvious and boring.

Fabregas might not come, or he might come, I am hearing conflicting stores, but what the manager just said is not 'news'.

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Gds
The director of football and vice president have also said he is not for sale.
I honestly don't think he is for sale after selling thiago and xavi about to turn 34 I just don't see why they would sell fab
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GDS2

I think the annoying thing is that he never wanted to leave (or never came out and said he wanted to leave), Barca never wanted to sell him and publicly said so on three occasions. We have wasted three weeks trying to get a player that was never available when we could of been looking at other players.
I think were all a bit worried that we put our eggs in one basket.
I just can't see Moyes looking at players like Gundogan and Verrati, I think we will end up with Fellaini which isn't a bad thing but we really need a player in midfield that can take us upto the next level.

Simmo

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Simmo,

Your post would make 100% perfect sense IF the quotes above were from Cesc Fabregas. I am yet to see a quote from the player himself.

If Rooney came out and said he wants to stay at United and loves the club it would put an end to it all, but he hasn't, same as Cesc.

I agree we need somebody to take us to the next level, Fellaini is better than what we have got and gives us something different, but he is not on the level of Fabregas.

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Im getting worried now seems everyone now are saying fallaini would be ok to sign, couple of weeks ago no one would wanted him that's how far we seem to have fallen in our hopes of getting quality signings

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26 Jul 2013 14:18:36
Barca manager insists that cesc fabregas will not be sold to man utd. Sad news

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Sad news but not unexpected

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26 Jul 2013 14:17:29
If de Rossi is looking to get away and cesc clearly never going to happen why not go for him he'd cost half the price. Although every fan on hear seems to prefer gundogan or verrati but I can't see us attracting them. Please god don't let us end up with Fellaini.

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To old, he's nearly 31.

Simmo

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De Rossi is a DM, totally different player to Fabregas.

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Simmo, he's just turned 30. Lampard and Scholes have been top class in their 30's so there's no reason we can, t get 4-5 years out of him.

400+ appearances for Roma and about 90 Italy caps.

Yes please!

Andrew B

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26 Jul 2013 14:15:07
tv reporting that new barca boss wants to keep fab and there's no chance of him coming to united, this summer just gets better and better.

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26 Jul 2013 14:11:35
no fabregas

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26 Jul 2013 14:11:22
Come on united pull your finger out not getting any of our targets at this rate we will be lucky 2 finish in the top 4 in moyes we don t trust
Dan

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All we need now is for rooney to leave then we will finish outside the top four

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26 Jul 2013 14:05:55
Fabregas saga is over. Now what's next? It is only ILKAY GUNDOGEN the ieal player who can substitute Scholes' position.
Pls rush

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No way Dortmund will sell him this season espec having lost their star player to Bayern with Lewi to follow soon

redeye

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Red eye, if we bid £50 mill for him, do you think that might get their attention?

money talks. utd have lots

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26 Jul 2013 13:48:37
Come on Moyes let's knock this Fabregas thing on the head now. The Barca president has again come out and said that he isn't for sale no matter how much United offer, let's have a look at getting other players in.
Enough is enough, we are going to end up with nothing if we don't get our ar*es into gear and start looking at other options.
This is getting as bad as the Sneijder saga two seasons ago.
Im just getting annoyed and fustrated by the whole bloody thing now.

Simmo

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26 Jul 2013 13:46:40
Is anyone else etting worried about are tranfer activity. Are we going to sign anyone who is world class or just a average player?

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You mean transfer inactivity? I have already said before all these big names being linked at us is only a marketing tool for selling tickets. this has happened before, see sneijder, hazard, ozil, lucas, thiago, is happening now, see fabregas, and will happen again, perhaps bale, ronaldo. And we'll end up with fellaini, baines and some unknown kid as was chicarito at that time. It's all glazers' way of management. SAF used to bail us out but now we are in deep trouble with Moyes' inexperience in winning something. Now we'll see the truth about our squad, 95% squad players and 5% world class.
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26 Jul 2013 13:31:59
We need Moyes time. Always wanted to say that.

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26 Jul 2013 13:41:58
Barcelona Vice president says Cesc Fabregas not for sale at any price!
Oh well it was good while it lasted now let's get real and sign realistic signings. Ps let's not start the Ronaldo coming back rubbish either.

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26 Jul 2013 13:41:34
Lads we are not getting Cesc Febregas as confirmed by Barca head coach. Disappointed but we should now focus on Vidal.

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26 Jul 2013 13:24:48
Barca have no intention of selling Cesc whatever the price.
So we were chasing a player who had no intention of leaving and whose club had no intention of selling. It seems like its too easy to try to buy players who want to leave/join-lets go after the ones who dont!
Our best addition is going to be Zaha.

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26 Jul 2013 13:11:40
Im excited by zaha and januzaj who both look PL quality (zaha regularly and januzaj to get stronger). Lingard has played well but I'm still not sold on the kid yet. I continue to believe that Anderson is a decent player to have in the squad if moyes can get him in shape to make those piercing runs forward. I thought buying Ashley young was a mistake, and I stand by the fact that he will never be good enough. He's mediocre at everything. I'd much rather my three behind rvp consist of Rooney kagawa and zaha/januzaj/Valencia/welbeck. Nani seems to be finding the exit we should tell Ashley to follow him out. I think fabio should back up evra for five months and send buttner out on loan to a pl club. He's got talent both attacking and defending but he needs some pl games to improve and evra will see that doesn't happen. Lindegaard finally played well. Main takeaway is that zaha will give defenders nightmares all season and he looks capable of handling the physicality of the PL. His potential is terrifying as he's so young and can develop so much as he plays better within a team and learns how to play the game beyond the speed and power. But he does give me the same excitement as a young Portuguese player a few years back. Take on defenders and pick the right pass. -KG

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26 Jul 2013 12:47:12
Have you seen how well Young has played today?! No? That's probably because you were watching him lose the ball and playing the most predictable plain passes. Honestly, I don't want to Nani if that means we're stuck with Young. Nani is so much more creative and skilful than Ashley he just needs his confidence back.

Ozwald

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26 Jul 2013 11:47:55
Kagawa has been very very impressive. Needs to practice his shooting though. Rooney would have buried that

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His shooting is fine, he just scuffed it. He's probably the most selfless player in our team if anything he needs to shoot more often.

Ozwald

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26 Jul 2013 11:40:25
If fabregas were to ignore our advances and
move to the arse do you think we could upset
the apple cart by bidding for Wilshere

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Wilshire is good but he's always injured

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Plus he is gunner through and through and from the sounds of it one of the only teams who could attract him are bayern munich.

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People always say he is a gunner through and through but that's not strictly true, he's a childhood West Ham fan. Anyway, if his ambition is greater than his sentiment then it wouldn't matter who he supports, he may just look to go up

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26 Jul 2013 11:27:11
I am not a Manchester United fan, but I was thinking about SAF (using your lot's abbreviation) and ofc now Moyes.

(Bear with me, while I get to my point!)

I am quite keen on military history. The duke of wellington said of napoleon that his presence and genius on the field of battle was like having an extra 30,000 men present (a great compliment).

I wonder do you think SAF's presence and genius as a manager (a truly world class legend) has given you at times an extra 5, 10, 15 points (?) in the league?

That is not say you don't have a good team, because clearly you do.

Anyway it was just a thought and it will be interesting to see how differently Moyes does with the team (although no doubt with some good new signings as well).

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Although I'm staunch united I definitely say Fergie was worth a few extra wins. I wouldn't say that margin of points but the guy had a presence of authority that was unrivaled, much the same way that mike Tyson had opponents beat before he entered the ring.

I do however think Moyes will win the league in his first year. 2 CM's permitting. Possibly a LB. the motivation to prove the media wrong will be enough to get us ther I think.

Good post btw. Refreshing to see a rival not slating us.

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26 Jul 2013 11:07:23
Anyone else watching the match in mexican commentary?, I find it less annoying than listening to paddy waffle on about the ref or the japanese.

1redarmy

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I agree he is terrible

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I have nightmares of Paddy saying "you're askin' a lot there, you're askin' a lot. " He can be funny at times but most the time he does my head in.

Ozwald

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Or when he says ssaha instead of zaha

shot stopper

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26 Jul 2013 10:47:32
GDS2 have to say we are impressed with your constant job of plugging the holes, do you work in tandem with the Honeybadger on some kind of rota.

Joking aside you have been having some banter with the gooners we noticed.

The weird thing is you are giving them 5h1t for something that applies to you too. You're telling them how they've won nothing for 8 years and think you're being smart about it. Anyone with a brain will know why they have not challenged fully for 8 years whilst they build that shiney new stadium.

Your jibes show two things, firstly the bitterness you hold against them and Wenger because they challenged you, won things and got lauded for the way they did it. You've just been lauded for winning things.

Secondly it was so apt that Andrew B answered a question from a gooner as to why you were pants in the Champions League with the reply "£500,000,000"
thus as usual it's ok for the mighty Manchester United to struggle in Europe because of lack of investment but because Arsenal have had the same in the Premiership they are a spent force.

By that reckoning Barca, Madrid and Bayern Munich are laughing you off as a spent force in Europe, rightly so, in our opinion, because the United squad you all say is your best for years is truly poor when it comes to the Champions League arena you have plenty of deadwood, you know who they are and that they bring little to your team even in the Premiership.

There are few of you who appreciate your failings and those that as always blindly think that the name itself means greatness.

If you are the greatest or the best at what ever you do the best way to show it is with humility and class, unfortunately this page, minus those decent regulars lacks any of that on far to many occasions.

We all have a passion for football but it's your attitude to others that sets you apart and in your case not in a good light. That in itself is a shame because Manchester United are a fantastic club and will always be a name to be respected.

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Who said that this United squad is the best in years? Most United fans agreed prior to RVP signing last summer that we had the worst squad of Fergie's time. United need to buy a couple of players, and will, but also have some genuinely top notch youngsters breaking through. Don't write us off as 'A spent force' just yet.

Matt

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I'll chime in here if you don't mind. I wouldn't say we are the Arsenal of the Champions League as you are implying, we won it 5 years ago and have been in the final twice since losing out to arguably the best club side ever at the time. While I agree GDS2's '£500,000,000' response was entirely hypocritical I do not agree that we are falling behind in Europe. Or at least not as far as Arsenal have fallen behind in the Premier League.

Plus I'll think you'll find that there's not a single United supporter on here who thinks our current squad is our 'best for years'. It's not a bad squad at all but it's not our best either.

Arsenal are a good side, I enjoyed our rivalry and have a lot of respect for Wenger. That being said, any Arsenal fan who comes onto this site and gives us s*** needs to have a word with themselves. It is all well and good making excuses for lack of success but trophies do talk, and each trophy we have is another bullet in our banter chamber and unfortunately, Arsenal are all out of ammo. Come the end of the season if Arsenal finish above us I will applaud and eat a big old portion of humble pie but right now I just don't see it.

RedRosie

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Anthill,

No idea what you are going on about mate, whether that was meant to be a dig at me or not, but thanks all the season, it's nice of you to take an interest in teams at the top of the table for a change.

You said yourself, we have been having banter with the arsenal fans, friendly fun banter. A few of us actually said on here the other day that we actually like and respect arsenal, I certainly do, and I respected the way they built a team that challenged us and player some wonderful exciting football to do it. No bitterness, we welcome a challenge, something your massive club haven't given us for a number of years now.

Thanks for respecting our club in this post, a number of your other posts have quite clearly showed your disrespect for us, so not sure why the sudden change.

Have a good day 'mate'.

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Well said GDS, we hold nothing against Arsenal and the banter is good (at times).

Read the OP twice and I still don't get the point of it TBH? Just seems like waffle to me, sorry.

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Its funny, how fans from Arsenal, 'Pool, Chelsea, City, Spurs etc kind of think ganging up or pooling in will just make their point a little more obvious. You know, endorsing each other, giving each other imaginary high fives and flooding our page with less than "respectful" posts. Well "Anthill", respect is earned and your previous posts don't quite reflect that. You are being hypocritical. People who come for healthy banter are always welcome. Infact I have seen Gav, GDS, AJH etc having pretty funny banter with the likes of Stoner etc. But you know, most of the LIverpool supporters come here as wind up merchants and sound extremely bitter. Mother of all surprises, they expect us to be respectful! I certainly appreciate our short comings and areas of opportunity. But then if you come over here before the start of every darn season, claiming this is your year and we are on the slide etc etc. you know what's coming your way. More so because we deal with FACTS! Shinji 1 Gerrard 0

Deeps.

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RedRosie,

I know the OP said it but just thought I would point out Andrew B came out with the £500,000,000 comment not me, that is something I wouldn't ever say.

I agree with what you say about them coming on here and giving us s***, I absolutely love the 'bullet in our banter chamber' line, classic.

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GDS2

Apologies I made the mistake of believing the OP I retract my Hypocrite comment!

Thanks I was pretty pleased with that one myself!

RedRosie

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26 Jul 2013 10:47:23
Stevie K and Shappy you are so right. Sorry

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Don't know about you Shappy, but I'm a bit scared.

StevieK

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26 Jul 2013 16:12:20
I smell sarcasm from mr Kloot. Lol.

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26 Jul 2013 10:12:21
all I hear is fabregas would like to come to utd so he can team up with his mate RVP there is nothing about joining one of the best teams in the world if his heart is not in let him warm the bench for barca ted the red

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Are you really that naive to think he would sign for a club because his friend his there? How about rvp has told him all about how united works and what an amazing club it is to play for? Surely that's more likely.

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I think it's perfectly plausible that a having friends in a football team would help persuade you to go there, if I could get some advice and recommendations from someone I liked and trusted (not to mention link up well o the pitch with) then yeah why not?

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Why leave barca to come to united?
Doesn't make sense to be honest.
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 09:02:32
So Thiago has come out and said that he had no contact from us about joining, he never was a target just a target for us fans the same with strootman everybody seemed to think he was a cert too DM is manager now so let's forget all the previous targets from fergies era because DM has his own targets in mind, I believe we will get CF he is usually quiet like he was during the period Barca signed him from Arsenal have faith guys

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Why weren't we going after thiago for £18m? I'm even more baffled now!
Nomidfield

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Nm,

Maybe because he was always going to bayern?

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Like I said DM has his own targets and probably don't want to take risks in his 1st season ie signing players without PL experience for big money I know 18-19 mil ain't a lot compared to what he could potentially be worth but CF would not be a risk he learned his trade here in PL and left one of the most accomplished midfielders in world and guess what? He has had his dream move so we won't have him pining to go back after leaving them again

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People do lie you know. Perhaps he is fed up of
United fans Tweeting him? Or fed up of MU questions in every interview? His dad has already confirmed we were close to signing him. Him saying we were never in for him would suit both parties, MU and Thiago.

Sydney!

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Quite simple his dad used supposed interest from united to get his son the best possible deal happens all the time

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Thiago had already signed for BM when his dad confirmed our interest. He confirmed it like three days ago.

I haven't seen Thiago's quotes, but did he say he didn't meet with MU or his agent didn't meet with MU? Obviously he wouldn't have met with MU. That's tapping up.

Sydney!

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His dad said weeks ago united were interested he even said thiago should sign. Thiago has said on radio there was no interest from united it was all the press making up stories

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Google search Thiago says no contact with Manchester utd and you will see it on various outlets and its direct quotes from him where he contradicts what his father (agent) says and says in no uncertain terms that we never approached him or advisors and that it was all lies in the press, he is on a lot of money at BM after his dad negotiated the deal on back of claims that we had agreed to pay him X amount what all agents do is use supposed interest from other clubs to get best deal for their client and mazinho is the same
KillahVirusOfHollowVisions

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That's what it looks like
Jred

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26 Jul 2013 08:34:30
Great banter with some real nut jobs out there. Look, imo Moyesee is setting his stall out. I do not believe he agreed to any of our so called targets, so called as I don't believe they were or are targets. Were being played by the press, other teams managers, our own fans cause we are not in the know. let's deal with the facts; it is concerning that we have not strenghtened midfield yet, I say yet because I believe we will do business. If we bring in Fabregas, Gundogan, Fellaini or whoever in that bracket we will improve a mediocre and ageing midfield. GK and defence we are ok albeit ageing in the centre and left back positions, wide players and strikers we have good quality players albeit need that marque signing to compliment RVP who is stand out in this area.

Fact; Moyesee has not won anything so the jury must be out although imo he will be a great MUFC manager, time will tell. He is his own man though and I trust his skills and expertise.

Fact; other teams have more pulling power than MUFC because they have wealth. To compete we have to be extremely smart, scouting well and a robust youth policy.

Fact; we are champions and will defend the title with gusto, we will be harder to beat under Moyesee imo.

Fiction; Ronaldo, Bale and Messi are signing later today oh and I have the winning ticket for tonights lotto!

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It's Euro Millions tonight mate!

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What are you on about?

Simmo

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Not quite sure either.
Nomidfield

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Oh and another fact, is that we will not win the PL unless we strengthen and do it quick. The first seven games are crucial as we are playing some of the top teams, we cannot afford to start slowly.
Before you say we won the league by 11 points, let me assure you this will no it happen again this year. City Chelsea and spurs have already strengthened, while arsenal have the money now. Also last year, Chelsea and city were unsettled due to their managers etc, they both have top managers now, and chelsea and mourinho in particular will be very difficult to beat.
So FACT, let's stop kidding ourselves that we are the champions and we are going to be OK no matter what happens, this season will be the hardest of all as three of the big teams have changed managers, and they are all out to prove themselves, only problem, is only two of the managers have won trophies!
Nomidfield

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What?

JK92

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26 Jul 2013 07:32:19
Hi all,

Adnan Januzaj. we NEED to keep this lad and get him involved this season. The boy has been very impressive on your.

Midlands Red - UTD!

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26 Jul 2013 04:03:58
I reckon we will either win the league or come second maybe third by a difference of 1/2 points if we bring in 1 or 2 signings as Moyes is unlikely to overhaul the entire team but if we were to talk about next season 2014/2015 season then what players would everyone like to have in the team by then.

K. 1

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I think we will end up either 1st or 20th or maybe somewhere in the middle

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K1 you should stick a bet on us finishing in the top 3!

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We can't even get players in this transfer window, so how on earth can we talk about what's going to happen a year from now?!
Klopp might be manager by then!
Nomidfield

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26 Jul 2013 00:10:34
Who do you guys think will be signed by the begining of the season? I still have faith In David moyes, just getting a bit concerned that only one player has been signed and he is bound to go back out on loan!

So what additions do you think will be in our squad by the beginning of the season? I believe fabregas, baines and gustavo! ( would like Vidal though, a class player that we need)

Trev the red

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