Manchester United Banter Archive June 26 2013

26 Jun 2013 22:22:58
Rooney will sign for city in the next week very reliable source
Danny

26 Jun 2013 23:23:22
No chance

Hope not

A

26 Jun 2013 21:38:14
I really hope Rooney stays but if only he admits he's no longer the main striker! He could easily play and important role in our midfield for the next 5 or more years and if Moyes has any sense he will tell him exactly that!

Say what?

Rooney cannot and will not play in midfield next year.
This is the whole point of him being upset because he isn't being played in the correct position.
He is a forward not a midfielder and never will be.

Simmo

26 Jun 2013 19:51:53
Just been reading about possible interest from Utd in Alvaro Negredo (hope I spelled that right). Possibly another nail in the coffin for Rooney. He's a handy player if there's any truth in it. Thoughts anyone?

Negredo is a terrific player!

not sure if he's what we need when you consider RVP is very good in the air, very strong and technically superior to Negredo.

I'd also prefer to see Welbeck and Hernandez given a chance to shine even more.

Great player, not so sure if he's for us.

The Moon.

I would rather keep Rooney. The only way I would sell Rooney is if a top striker was signed or a top winger and midfielder was signed.

Sydney!

Rooney is a class act and should stay.
If Thiago signs then they can play together behind RVP

Stevem, one thing I have considered in the past couple of weeks is if we bought Garay, Thiago, Strootman and a decent left winger, Rooney if he stays will not need to do any tracking back. He has lost his sharpness and his explosive pace, but if he could get a bit of form back and didn't need to track back then he could do well upfront with RvP. That being said I would swap Rooney with Lewandowski in an heartbeat. I still think the club want to offload him, but as long as Rooney staying didn't block any of our targets from being signed then it wouldn't be a bad thing to have Rooney at the club next season if he could work alongside Moyes and stay 100% fit. Sadly I do think Rooney staying would mean less signings or less money to get the better signings. let's wait and see what happens, but one thing we all have in common is United and we all want our team to succeed.

Sydney!

I've stayed out of the Rooney debate, mainly cause I ain't sure myself, he can be a great player. let's not forget, AFTER he got fit er I mean played a few games last year, he got on the top scorers list not far behind RVP and they seemed to be a good pairing. Then just before xmas he was injured/maybe injured did not want to play, whatever, the rumours were all over the place and his second half of the season was poor.
Now if you want to be cynical, and I have no facts to back this up, you could imagine as we were leaking goals at this time, Fergie asked Rooney to play deeper and he spit the dummy out. let's be honest I can't imagine Fergie telling lies about a player and its a fact that no written transfer request was given to the club. Very easy to imagine the truth is somewhere in between with Rooney in frustration saying play me or sell me. IMHO the most likely scenario.
So if Rooney is physically fit and not doing his Mr. Blobby impersonation i'm happy if he stays but and this is all down to my mindset if we sell him I won't care.

Now Sydney why do you want Garay? in fact why does anyone at United want Garay? We have a plethora of excellent CB's. How about we play Evra LW and get a LB instead? lol.

Grund, Garay will very likely sign and he will improve the midfield. He pushes up into midfield and he has very good distribution. With him pushing up it mean the midfield can also push up and support the attack.

If we are to progress and get stronger then Evra on the wing isn't the way to go. Evra cannot cross the ball for starters. Evra is not an improvement on Young, Nani or Kagawa on the left.

Sydney!

26 Jun 2013 19:18:20
Hi just looking an update on the thiago situation? Have you heard anymore?

26 Jun 2013 18:54:35
Recently I've been watching the betting odds on Thiago joining Manchester United, now for some time he has been 1-5 on to join but in the last 24 hours its changed to 1-12 on, which only points to one thing, the next favourite is Real Madrid at 16-1

Now I know odds can react to money being placed but i'm also aware that the bookies ARE NOT stupid, they know what's going on, there more ahead of the game than most.

Just an observation I thought i'd share.

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD

I can guarantee that bookies are not more in the know than anybody else, they just mess with the odds to make people bet and to make money.

26 Jun 2013 18:35:12
Off the Rooney debate, the Press Association (PA) have said that Thiago has informed Barca that he wants to join United and rejected their offer. For me they are as not as "unreliable" as tabloids. So the muppet in me is all excited again.

Deeps.

I think we are going to get him but I'm not going to let myself get carried away until I see him holding up a United jersey with name and number. I have heard we have offered him more money and guaranteed him more playing time Barca. Cross your fingers

Fingers, toes, legs, arms, eyes all crossed. But again i'll wait till he's on the pitch with Moyes and a shirt. Mort

Deeps, they are usually spot on mate. As long as they haven't quoted it from a newspaper or website. If it's their own sources then things could be looking slightly better.

Sydney!

I am hoping so Syd. The papers usually get the reliable bit from PA. They don't mess around usually. So hope for the best. Any update on what Delaney thinks this is going?

Deeps.

He just thinks he is MU bound unless we get gazumped or Barcelona convince him to stay.

Not really rocket science to be honest. I think the best one to follow at the moment is Graham Hunter. I think he will be the first to know any change.

Sydney!

26 Jun 2013 18:04:44
So Rene have left :/ very highly regarded by Van Persie, aided Ronaldo's development and I assume many others. Surely a big loss.

Ste.

26 Jun 2013 17:46:59
Bad news guys our 1st team coachrene is leaving manchester united

Sid

26 Jun 2013 17:30:14
Rene gone : ( sad day.

26 Jun 2013 16:42:23
No wonder 002 has left the page.
Somebody voices an opinion and somebody else comes along and calls them every name under the sun and ridicule them simply because it isn't their own opinion.

Quite frankly 002 is right to stop posting. Its like dealing with children.

Sit behind your computer you keyboard warriors. Its you guys who have ruined this site. Not 002.

I rarely post but read for 002s information. With 002 not posting I thought maybe the banter would pick up. How wrong was i?

Get a grip lads. The sooner you do, the sooner 002 may give returning to the site some consideration.

26 Jun 2013 17:14:58
Suspicous how constantine and ngaik or whatever he's called go away for years and return same time. Who is mw or tonto thwn they are at home? Edoo2 leaves and the veggies come out 2 play. Pedro.

All we can do now is hope 007 takes over!

Say hello to Happyfeet when you see him next. My favourite penguin by far.

Brendan81

26 Jun 2013 19:04:31
Thought Ed002 had some of the best comments - with a lot to say if we bothered to actually read what they said, rather than read it through our own tinted view.

26 Jun 2013 16:02:59
Tk all i'm doing is storing up all the vitriol subtle or otherwise directed towards Rooney who isn't here to defend himself and the tone of the attacks that I don't have to stand for; my right to give it back. no its not life or death but its no small thing either. Its right not to be happy with how society is going and stand up to it and that reflects in everything from football to whatever.

as for how you view what Sydney meant by it. I don't really want to get into that except to say it was opposition to Rooney defence of being a decent human being. and "lets not pretend" is a total patronizing insult to the op and anyone that defends Rooney. Wake up T. k

constantine
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Constantine you're treading a fine line mate. I'm genuinely trying to be civil to you as this is a football forum at the end of the day and we are all grown ups (supposedly) but then you're sat there telling me to "wake up"?! As though I am somehow away with the fairies, why? Because I don't agree with you? Don't sit there behind your keyboard, harping on about respect when you have, thus far, shown very little yourself, especially when you jumped on Sydney!'s back for posting his opinions as though they are fact when you are now seemingly doing just the same yourself. Unless you are a self confessed hypocrite in which case it is a waste of time trying to debate with you.

TK-Red

Agree TK-Red. Constantine needs to take his medication! Twinkle Toez 17

Ohhhh team tk or team Constantine lol, calm down lads, keep it civil.
Chris the REDman

The reality is that our loyalty should not be to any one player, whether that's Rooney or anyone else, but to the club. Loyalty needs to be reciprocated by players who are earning vast fortunes, paid for by thousands of fans with ordinary jobs and incomes. Loyal players would not smoke, drink and eat to the extent that they lose their fitness, as Rooney has. This is not an amateur pub team where players can behave like that, this is top class, professional sport and all our players should respect that.

T. K. there is no line. I'm not bound by yours and Syds standards. Ill be here as long as the eds let me be. I know respect well and its rewarding to give it where Its due. Take that as you like.

I think that's enough for today. Back to the backround for me for a while

constantine

No keep it going this s*** keeps me going at work

Ross

Paulo your absolutely right. He needs to pull his finger out. no argument with me there. Fair or not it is a reality and he will have it hard winning the fans over. let's hope he works for it. If he stays

constantine

26 Jun 2013 15:35:54
Come on Ed's it's time to make a return, you have definitely made your point. The 99% of decent posters are missing your input and who gives a f*ck what the other 1% think?

Brendan81"""
dear mr brendan81
ngiak wonders if this is a chicken and egg story
(penguins are genetically far superior to chickens by the way. not to mention you primitive humans. )
an open site will have a huge spectrum of opinions and characters
there will be people of all extremes
and it's projected as a banter site anyway
ngiak does not condone barbarism nor does he condone extreme disrespect and vulgarism
but it is to be expected in an open site
the saying is "don't play with fire if you can't take being burnt"
and the key is to deal with it appropriately with avoidance of posting and bans as were previously done
not to run and hide
ngiak always had full respect for posters and eds
regardless of how many run ins he has had with any number of them over the years
ngiak hopes it remains that way
gan

You really are mental, brightens this site up immensely at the moment though.

Keep it up Penguin.

Brendan81

Dear mr brendan81
the pleasure is all ngiak's
gan

Well said Penguin - after all some people have a delete button and if they don't like what is said they can always dele.

26 Jun 2013 15:23:41
dear mr Constantine
how are you sir. ngiak has missed you
today has brought a tear to ngiak's eyes
finally he dreams of the good old days of ngiak's altercations with a certain mr bob the red
the forum has finally come to life!
the small picture is the character assassination of Rooney
the bigger picture is Sydney portraying himself as the ultimate god who tells absolute truths and reads all football players and managers minds with his loyal band of followers endorsing his preaching
ngiak enjoys you all
mr Constantine you seem to have lost your eloquence
but ngiak notices you still have that eloquence for lost causes
the spirit is still there!
although ngiak agrees with you in principle about Sydney's assertions about people's characters have far reaching patronizing and paralyzing effects on society's perceptions
but ngiak also enjoys the fact that this is banter
believe what you want and assert what you want and ignore what you want and disagree anytime you want
gan

U know wot? I miss the old ngaik, he had much better views on our club. All u seem to do is try and start arguments for the sake of it.
Chris the REDman

Well said and hopefully taken on board. as always shows your astuteness. Nail on the head with the eloquence, a touching moment to read. as always my respects

constantine

Gan this is the best thing you have ever posted

26 Jun 2013 15:14:12
Gents,

Just a follow on from yesterday, Brendan81 I totally get that you like the persona of the page HARD MAN and thus probably have ACAB tattoo'd on your knuckles but I didn't start the name calling cr4p.

Chris the REDman, summed your self up a treat with the words I'm touched. Yes you're right you most definately are. I have seen from previous posts of yours that you love to use that "You have a thing about me" term and your little start up line of Wow Just Wow. You again came up with the abuse first which in fact shows I get to you, big time.

All in all the deflectors where up big time from most of you, GDS recognised banter for what it was worth.

Someone also mentioned I may be green with envy, I take it in the EPL, FA Cup, League Cup and Europe since 2004 where we have won 11 trophies to your 9 is enough to make me in some way envious. Hmmm.

Anyways like I was saying, deflector shields, the majority of you realise we have a proven winner as a manager and not just in the EPL, you know we have a quality squad and he'll improve it. You have Moyes who has seriously won nothing no matter if he is surrounded by winners, he has won a big fat ZERO.

You know you will have no gaurantees next season like all the top teams but you really are more than anyone likely to lose out.

You even dismiss Arsenal and if Wenger buys like he now can they will trouble us along with City more than you will.

You've reached a point where you're now relying on a young kid from Spain coming to you and making you the force you are currently not. But don't let some good old fashioned truthfullness cloud any replies guys.

I can't remember your full name but thanks for the spelling correction Red, I've never heard of Nounce either. Jeez next I'll be spelling Bayern as Buyern eh CTR.

Marcellus Wallace.

26 Jun 2013 15:43:19
You accuse us of just dismissing chelsea and other clubs. Yet I think you'll find the more sensible recognise that this season will be tough. We recognise chelsea have a top manager and many good players. Yet you are doing the same thing your accusing united fans of and just dismissing united. Last season was not a fluke and we have the same team and are looking for improvements. Yes Moyes is an unknown quality at this level but no one can predict the future. Saying we'll be battling for fourth is just a poor attempt at a wind up. When you know it'll be united and chelsea in the top two.

Suppose we will struggle next year then just because you say so you are obviously concerned about us next year otherwise u would not be on here all the time trying to stir things up your probably one of those fans that gives it all am a die hard chelsea fan but when things go wrong your no were to be found Manchester United will be up there next season as they have always been since the EPL started

Which one out of the cast of made in Chelsea are u marcellus?
So now ure taking to making petty insults on spelling and such to try and win a argument u lost along time ago, wow just wow u really are pathetic.
I would take the time re-read some of ure previous postd

U know ure really starting to worry me know marcellus with ure stalking of me, so ill put it bluntly for u, i'm not interested in u mate, now I know u must write ure garbage, send it and have a giggle with all the other 'special' people in your class, but u do realise they are the only ones that think ure clever, yeh?
Ok insult my spelling that does hurt me

Page hard man? Really?

The fact you feel the need to come to our page shows that we bother you greatly. Your, so called, Messiah may be back but it guarantees nothing. You have a few good players and anyone would admit that. But you need some rebuilding to turn you into title contenders and I don't see the players out there to do that.

I'm sure the FA Cup has your name on it though, again!

You can hide behind the 'Moyes has won nothing' all you like but come May 2014 that, most certainly, will have changed. Who is upstairs waiting to give any advice if needed? Is it THE greatest manager ever? I think it might be. I don't think that will be needed though.

If, as it looks it might be, our summer consists of Thiago, Strootman, Garay, a new left back and new forward (or maybe a fit Rooney), we will still have best squad in the league and our 1st eleven will be hugely stronger as well. Not even your supposed 'god' will be enough to prevent number 21 and beneath your b*lls*** exterior you know it.

Brendan81

Wow

Thanks for the wake up call
I didn't realise the premier league champions retired along with fergie.
I love how your now dismissing us as a spent force like when rom took over we were done it was chelseas era they were going to be englands best. hasn't quite worked out has it.
I think most of us know that under moyes we could be in a transitional period but I guarentee you were no leeds or liverpool. What you fans forget is were not just a football team were a football brand! Your new kit deal is 30million a season our new shirt sponsor is 53million our new kit deal is likely to be the biggest shirt deal in sport history! The glazers will spend big and back moyes to take us to the top as they realise united make a lot of money.
On to mourinho he was never going to say he wanted united job after signing for you. But if you think for one second he would have turned us down for you boys your dellusional. The biggest ego in football would have loved to rewrite uniteds history and everyone knows it. Il enjoy our fall from grace and watching you city and arsenal surpassing us next season, itll be a good watch. Stay out of the sun its obviously getting to ya ;)

This season will end in tears for chelsea and jose

nikz

Moyes will win his 1st trophie in his 1st game Marcus.

26 Jun 2013 16:39:21
Wow just Wow, we got ourselves some bleeders. Medic!

CTR. Not signing off now, tut tut, you know how you hate that.

Best of it is, I'm on your page and you think you're bothering me. Really.

Oh, HB I won't disappear, I'll be here, besides I've got to stalk lover boy CTR and his bodyguard Brenda81.

Marcellus Wallace

Wallace
1> picking up on grammar on a banter page shows that you probably are in the 3rd grade at best
2> Given that Chelsea are a Circus with clowns from all over the world, joined by the head clown recently sacked by Madrid, you coming on here slating united surprises me.
3>Why are you, as a chelsea fan bothered if teams like arsenal would challenge us for the title? Are you letting the frustration out on united given that because of them you have been playing second/third fiddle to them for ages, given that you have spent millions on players and still, have failed? Does it bother you that your Side was probably the most pathetic (footballing wise) Champions league winning side ever?

Nah, it probably doesn't bother you at all,
have fun being bitter
Ciao

Marcellus, you will disappear. Not yet, not until the action finally starts and things begin to fade. That's when you'll disappear.

Are you still missing Roberto? You chelsea fans are real sentimental types! :)

26 Jun 2013 18:23:20
I notice you ignored the first reply. Did he talk too much sense for you?

Marcellus

Do you think your wind up job is working or do you think people are having a laugh at you? I consider Chelsea as a major threat next season, especially after Jose came in. I will happily admit it, but then when you say we will fight for Europa, I am keeping a count of the total muppets lost. Which side are on you?

Deeps.

Oh marcellus u couldn't be futher from the truth my delusional young friend, yes that was me both times but my buttons are very close together, sometimes I send a message before I get chance to finish it, I appreciate I can't draw pictures on this site so u won't get many of my replies.
CTR
P. s are u not bored yet of getting owned by everyone on here, one day I may take time to really lay into u, but for now ill let u show off in front of ure 'special' friends

Classic honeybadger

Is Marcellus Wallace a b1tch? ;)

I love the way that Chelsea are buying 15 players for the same 3 positions. They'll look really scary on the subs bench.

Yes he is Dodgy, he's MY b!tch ;)

Keep your hands off!

26 Jun 2013 14:58:19
It's funny that Rooney questions the club's ambition and refuses to sign a new deal because of it and then after we sign Bebe, he signs a new deal. Bebe must have convinced Rooney that the club are going in the right direction. Or was it the money that made him sign? Nah I'm sure Bebe convinced him that the club are moving in the right direction.

Rooney was after a bigger salary, nothing more, nothing less. But like I keep saying over and over again, he deserved a bigger contract than the club were offering so I have no issue with it. Well I'm off to a BBQ now, some of you try not to fall down the stairs or bump into doors. Stay away from scissors and matches.

Sydney!

Have a beer for me Syd, and a few burgers for Rooney ;-)

Only joking, before people get upset!

Brendan81

It's getting boring now Syd just drop it.

Simmo

26 Jun 2013 17:31:11
If you can read he's gone 2 barbecue, so he did drop it. Have a beer for me 2 syd. Pedro.

I would say it's possible as an opinion that the climb down was because all in all it was a foolish move by Rooney and his agent no one can argue with that. You said it yourself, and He was right and properly put in his place.

And you are fair it would have been hassle to move club however I think it more probable that he stayed for an affection for a club respect for staff and the friends he would leave behind.

I don't think that as a person Rooney is all that bad. He's just not a steady enough to compare to the likes of Cantana and Hughes ect

just trying to be fair Sydney

constantine

26 Jun 2013 13:44:50
Eds eds eds in just a short few days of absence on your behalf this page has become unbearable to read. My favourite guilty pleasure has being taken from me yet I have done no wrong. Interesting posts an questions go unanswered and iv noticed that the language an names being called are not what we have come to expect from this one time great site as with my other post I agree with your stance on bullying. But you have committed the cardinal sin given in to these mindless buffoons an essentially cut off your nose to spite your face, took your ball an went home crying. Do you fail to understand that your in charge. You can block people not post there comments an name and shame but you don't. You punish the followers an fans which in all fairness is totally disgusting. The site is not the same an I fear the damage you do now will have a lasting effect. So thanks for the info you have shared over the years an thanks for doing agreat job but if I had oof known this would happen I would have stayed away in the first place. You guys have my everlasting respect. , its a shame the fans don't have yours. you know wats right. do the right thing

CAIN

Talk about over the top. calm down it's a football rumour site it isn't the end of the world.

I actually prefer the site without the ed's. They aren't the bloody oracle you know (unlike Sydney. )

Tonto

26 Jun 2013 13:06:46
Rooney to Barca - A decided possibility.

Many thought his salary would be a problem to The Catalans, however, if you do the sums based on UK Taxation and the Spanish Rates, even if they lowered his pay, his 'take home' would remain similar or better.
Cost of living circa Barcelona is two thirds of the UK. Plus the Sunshine helps.

With the News that it will be one Thiago (Alcantara) OUT, and Thiago (Silva) in, the ruggedness of the Catalan Team would suit Rooney well. its just the lifestyle and learning of a language with more x's ll's and extra alphabet letters that may 'tax' his North West England mentality.

Tax rates in Catalunya are as high as 56%. It is 50% in the UK.

Sydney!

The tax rate in england is 50%, I believe.
in spain it is 52, 5%
So where do you get the info, that he would need to earn less to have the same net?

When Ronaldo left it used to be around 30%, but that changed significantly since the crash

For gods sake top tax rate is 45% - but I am sure their advisors will find some ways of mitigating.

I think there used to be a scheme for sportsmen that allowed more set aside - due to their very unpredictable and short careers.

26 Jun 2013 12:42:48
I saw red in my last post. But I stand by it. directed towards sydney! in entirety would be unfair as he isn't the worst culprit and isn't nasty that i've seen generally

However he is telling us that Rooney absolutely asked for a transfer cause they weren't giving him the money. That to me is fuel to the flames on those hell bent on seeing Rooney as a complete self serving human being. That is not healthy in any walk of life to presume to know the heart of others especially when one holds influence over others. It is a witchhunt, meditate on that word and what the public did to woman they thought so all those days ago the judgement of a human being so totally. Every reasonable argument supporting Rooney is Getting slammed down by this same narrow minded view point over and over again.

The likes of sydney and Kloot hold sway, both subtly and directly they gain support and shape view points and are a cancer to our game in that the sense that we are encouraging living in more unforgiving and hostile environment that I'm sick of seeing here and in life without understatement.

can't say for sure but i'm willing to bet all the players would wish him to stay. Who knows better of his character?. Gary Neville who we know loves the club to more than any player I've seen in my time had a softened approach to the latest "request".

Believe me the biggest concern Rooney will have right now is how the fans perceive him. and as is often the case we are blinded by comparing Rooney to what he once was and not seeing his contribution to the team is still more than your average good player. The top players currently in the game would not see him a step below. if he goes it will be a huge mistake and will be much down to the fans. This is a mountain of of a mole hill situation to Gary Neville, to me and anyone else I believe has talked sense here. but unfortunately don't have the sway of sydney! or Kloot. if I call them vile and self serving and far worse characters than Rooney would it seem right and proper in a forum? not really. but its freely done to Rooney.

constantine

Rooney threatened to leave the club because both MU and him via his agent could not come to an agreement over his new contract. In the end MU gave him what he wanted and he done his U-turn. As I have said in my previous posts, Rooney was our best player and he was playing for the best club in the world, so he deserved the lucrative contract he got. But let's not pretend this is anything other than Rooney telling the club he wants X amount or he will leave.

Sydney!

Good post Constantine. We don't want rooney to go elsewhere and start showing us what he can do and what we're missing. And I can guarantee that is going to happen if we sell him.
If United to decide to sell him there will be no shortage of takers among the biggest clubs (our challengers). Does that not tell us something?
Nomidfield

I hope that don't get the same accusations I received when I dared to criticise the Messiah that is Sydney!

Big G

Don't take this abuse Syd! Strike! Strike! Strike! ;)

TK-Red

Common, Rooney is your transfer budget, if you don't sell him you have no or minimal funds for transfers.

Look at the bigger picture, clearly Moyes and Rooney don't get on, so why was Moyes appointed?

And the appointment of Moyes was like M&S appointing the CEO of Poundstretcher to take them forward.

Obviously I only post my concerns as Disney (aka Sydney) likes to post his concerns about my great club.

K79

Well played Constantine. Very good post. I for one would not like to see Rooney go. And I agree with you on the point of Sydney and other users trying to influence the minds of other fans. Nobody knows exactly what has happened or what Rooney has demanded if demanded anything apart from assurances as to his role in the team.

PW

At last some support for Rooney. I wish he stays with us.

I think the thing you're missing Constantine, is that Rooney handed in an official transfer request because the club wasn't going in the right direction and weren't signing the right calibre of players.

Within three days of his request he'd signed a new bumber contract and he coincidently came to terms that the team where going on the right tracks. Why couldn't he have a meeting with the gaffer about the future direction of the club without handing in a transfer request? He made it out that the reason he stayed was because of assurances top players would arrive (not the quarter of million a week wages) this stuck in the throat of many United fans and in my opinion is unforgivable.

So after a few years, many great performances, a few forgettable ones, we sign players that are just as good as Rooney or better and how does he take on this challenge? By turning up overweight, smoking and drinking on his time off. He gets subbed in big games because his form was awful. He then throws a wobbler and confronts Fergie telling him he wants to leave.

Though football fans are very fickle, we will forgive a footballer for a lot of things, as long as they show heart, determination, passion and love for the club. Something Rooney used to have in abundance but sadly these aren't the motivations that drive him anymore.

He couldve learned a lot from players he played with.

Ronaldo- Train hard everyday, practice practice practice and you'll reach the pinnacle of world football.

Scholes- Stay out of the public eye and that's half the battle won for a long term career

Giggs- Take care of your body and don't abuse it and again you can have a long career.

Neville- Be honoured to play for the best club in the world

He hasn't learned a thing and when the dust settles on his career he'll be remembered as a great player, but not one of the greats!

Mumbles

26 Jun 2013 13:44:03
Get a grip. Your seriously comparing Rooney and peoples opinions to the witch hunts? Rooney has been his own worst enemy. Only two people know what went on in that talk between Rooney and Ferguson. We know Fergies view. But Rooney's continued silence is damning. Or are you calling the clubs most successful manager a liar?

If that is true Sydney then why the suggestion he was unhappy with the calibur of the player coming into the club? why would any apology to team mates be talked of. if it was so cut and dry why would that suggestion even hit the public domain? was he not due for a payrise anyway? I leave that as rhetorical. the more you write the more it hardens my resolve. this is the end of the discussion. leave it to people who know how to reason.

constantine

26 Jun 2013 14:06:31
I don't agree with some of the comments aimed at Rooney by the anti Rooney party. Some of it does verge on going too far. And in Sydneys defence I can't recall seeing him say anything of that nature regards Rooney only his opinion of the facts. Although I think sometimes Sydney tends to too firmly state his opinion. That said I also don't get this blind defence of Rooney and how its all for the good of the club. I get the arguments for both selling him and keeping him. My own personal position is that I would sell him for the right price and if we can bring in a good replacement. I think its time for him to leave and it will benefit the team. MrE

Read Sydneys post what he says is true. all the rubbish about you don't know wats in his heart wel a few years ago his heart told him you want x amount an if you don't get it f#$ k them. He got what he wanted then he won't get it this time. Personally i'd sell him to any rival in a heartbeat as he will never be the same. So all in all its no whichhunt its just simple he wants to go then let him go

CAIN

Dont worry about sydney big v, I proved him to be a storyteller and fantasist last week and he resorted to childish name calling about my job, laughable, good post by the original poster.
mick the red fireman

"lets not pretend this is anything else but Rooney blah blah blah" what? Whether or not the player did actually ask to leave or not still seems unproven. IF he did, why would it be nothing but that. He is on a very lucrative contract which bar two or three clubs in the world he has little chance of getting again, he would be best off running his contract down and doing a Bosman if it was a money thing. My personal opinion is it is simply a player with an ego throwing a strop from being player out of position and dropped in certain games and not being the main man. Whether or not people think he should stay or go there is no denying his form has slipped the last 18 months, even so he is still one of our most influential players on the pitch. But your statement Sydney is simply an opinion and thinking about it rationally I would say there are many other reasons thinking from his perspective that would make sense of wishing to leave than the one you have given as the certain reason. Thoughtless and naive
Invisible STuey

I don't understand: shows us what he can do? i. e. EXACTLY what he's not done for pretty much the whole of the season! He wants to leave, let him. Pure and simple.
RedSince68

Big G

To paraphrase from my favourite movie

Sydney! 'is not the messiah - he's a very naughty boy'

Everyone should stop getting wound up by criticism, 20 years with my mother in law and you would get used to it.

Its like with abusive posters - don't get upset - press the delete button

So if Rooney was so worried about the club's ambition, then why did Rooney sign his contract before we signed a top class player Constantine? Perhaps it was the signing of Bebe that changed his views about the club's ambition? Or could it be because the club agreed to meet his demands? Hmm, now let me think.

Sydney!

A storyteller and a fantasist?

If I were a fantasist I would claim to be something a little better than a industrial cleaner. I would say I am a fireman or something.

Sydney!

Mumbles apologies I read what you had to say but I got to be brief as I need to give my attention elsewhere though I could reasonably answer your points. your opening sentence is exactly what I was arguing for and not missing. and we do not know if Rooney did or did not try to seek assurances before hand. it would make sense if he did. perhaps after ten years of football its fair for motivation to wane a little but remeber he was almost neck and neck with messi AFTER the contract situation. giggs and scoles where highly exceptional. I appreciate the thought to the reply

constantine

Blimey. a few days without the Ed's and we're at each others throats. this is getting a little ridiculous. At the end of the day, nobody except Wayne knows the reason behind either transfer request, all we have are opinions are educated (Or not in some cases) guesses. Personally, though I am grateful for all that he has done for the club, I think the time is right for him to leave. He is no longer indispensible. Though he did contribute last season he was a shadow of the player that we all know he could be. The fact that he turned up for preseason overweight and clearly out of shape didn't help matters. I think that shows a little of the character of the man.
It is my opinion that Wayne is easily led by his agent, and I believe that he is trying to get the best monetary deal he can with these requests. i'll reiterate, this is my opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

I don't want to enter into the slagging match that seems to be going on here but I will throw in my thought that I don't think any of the posters here, Syd, Kloot etc. are trying to influence the opinions of others, they are merely stating their own opinions and besides, if someone is so fickle as to blindly follow the opinions of others with no thought of their own then that is their problem. as the old saying goes. who's worse, the fool or the fool who follows them

Constantine, Wrong!

Rooney was neck and neck with Messi and in the best form of his career between September 2009 - April 2010. Up until he done his ankle in against BM. He signed his contract in October 2010 and has never been the same since.

Stuey, we are talking about the transfer request in 2010. Not 2013.

Sydney!

Constantine mate, we can only go with what we know and if the press conference before the Cluj game ( could be wrong) is a guide, Fergie said something along the lines of "Rooneys out of the squad, the boys handed in a transfer request, he's not happy with the direction the teams going in, it's come as a complete surprise. I think he's got some bad advice" I paraphrased that a bit but you get the point. It came out of the blue, he didn't seek assurances before handing in his request. Rooney knew he was our best player and bent the club over a barrel to get what he wanted. Now he's not our best player and is playing the same hand. I think it's best for all if he moves on.

Mumbles

Rooney threatened to leave unless we brought in players that matched his ambition, he then signed his bumper new contract, can somebody tell me which superstar players matching his ambition we brought in? rvp not included because this happened well before. does his ambition also happen to be a lard arse and turn up for the new season grossly overweight? there can be no excuse for a top paid star to be that unproffesional. rooney has some part in this but the biggest culprit is paul stretford, trying to extract as much commision for himself as possible.
johndenton

Your right Syd I was wrong. but what a nice day its been


constantine

26 Jun 2013 17:39:25
I hope Rooney stays as he is a good player, but I can see why the club want to cash in. Pedro.

Tbh no of you know his family or friends or even him to no the truth so why do syd in general think they know every little detail when all urs and 99% of the peoples info on here are from other media sources you only know what they want you to know also I don't no about any of you but if I said to my employer ohh i'm leaving and they offered me more money would I stay umm defiantly footballers careers last what 10-15 years why they have to make as much money as possible to support there families for the next 30-50 years why shouldn't they?, also why would you concern your self with club matters when its 1. nothing to do with you me or anyone on this site 2. they don't care about your views 3. if they pay it they can afford it so there isn't any problem their and constantine I not seen you be4 on here but u have valid and well thought out posts unlike many I read on here

26 Jun 2013 12:12:14
Ed's, when are you coming back? Or is this a permanent strike? You are missed. Even though I do disagree with what you do on here at times, your input is missed.

26 Jun 2013 11:53:56
We have got Varela and obviously Zaha in the bag. Who is next? Well I actually am half expecting a double or even triple announcement during Moyes press conference on the 1st of July. Garay, Stootman & Thiago will probably be announced then.

Where would we go after that? Well I think central midfield would be sorted, although we could go for Mendy as well. We wouldn't need any centre backs. If Rooney stays we don't need a striker. So all that would be left would be to get Baines for Left Back or Shaw who could understudy Evra for a year. Personally though I think Fabio and Evra will be pushed out the door with Baines coming in. Then I would like us to look for packages for either Bale or Ronaldo. That is how I think the rest of the summer will pan out anyway.

Mendy has signed for Nice.

Rumours are that Moyes press conference will be Friday 5th.

Rick

Did not realise that about Mendy, cheers.

26 Jun 2013 11:29:17
Eds please get back here and let's play :)

This is no fun and just because of a few dumbs***s the rest should not pay for it. Can someone also post who are the culprits, please post their names and let's be clear that we would do our utmost to convey our feelings towards them.

On another note I understand a Nike deal will be announced shortly, any Idea on the numbers anyone?

I have heard a number of USD 65 mill per year but not sure if it is fact or fiction.

Shahram

I think a bare minimum of £50m per a season. The Chevrolet deal really has upped the ante.

Sydney!

26 Jun 2013 11:20:16
UNited getting Cavani is bull**** we just want Real MAdrid to activate his buyout clause and sell Ronaldo to gain funds. Also Valencia will not b e no 7 next season and Ronaldo sold his house in Madrid hint hint

26 Jun 2013 10:14:36
So city have dropped there interest in cavani and have sold tevez, so the question is which top striker have they struck a deal with
Jred

They can have Rooney for £50m, let's face it he is as good as Torres. We can then add a little and get Ronaldo back and we will be in much better shape than City. If he goes abroad we will ask about £30m.

Brendan81

None I don't think. Who is left out there? Higuain is off to Arsenal. Lewandowski is either Dortmund or Bayern. Cavani is now Madrids. They have let Balotelli and Tevez go and may even see Dzeko and Aguero depart. Rooney will stay. Suarez is potentially Madrid bound.

Out of all the top strikers in the world they only have perhaps Eto'o, Benzema or Villa to choose from. I don't expect City to get many of their targets this year, Chelsea will be our biggest threats.

26 Jun 2013 12:30:52
I think city have someone all ready lined up, I doubt it's Rooney
Jred

I think City will be signing Jovetic very soon.

26 Jun 2013 14:17:46
Who do you think Jred?

In your opinion.

Sydney!

I don't think City have dropped their interest, I just think there is an unwillingness, by all interested parties, to pay the fee that Napoli want IMO.

TK-Red

26 Jun 2013 08:16:26
Good morning all. Something I have been wondering about. If Rooney decides to stay and in the dying minutes of the Manchester Derby scores the winning goal with a fantastic overhead kick, will all those who have berated him on this site boo him. I think it's terrible the way some people speak about him. His first transfer request was because he wasn't happy with the clubs ambition by not signing any quality players, which is something we all have complained about and he has supposedly denied that he asked for a move this season gone. It's not just players that should show loyalty to the red shirt but also us as the fans.

Completely agree. I agreed with his complaints the first time round and this time it seems he was pointing out what everyone else has seen, that he was being subbed often and played as a striker rarely. It's sad how quick so many United supporters turn on a player who has given so much to the club. Late the other night they were showing a CL match from this season and Rooney was everywhere. He's such a unique player in his flexibility. If Moyes is smart he'll keep Rooney, add Thiago and then go for that huge big name signing for the 4th attacker with RVP, Rooney and Shinji. That's how we can beat the quality of Bayern, Barca and Madrid.

So kagawa an rvp are not quality players. If your wife cheated once you may forgive her but if she does it again you get rid. And as it stands he just isn't performing to the standard of a 250k a week player he is ment to be. With his transfer fee we could get real quality on less wages.

CAIN

Rooney put in his transfer request because the club would not give in to his wage demands. In the end the club paid him what he wanted so he signed the new deal.

Lets not pretend it was for any other reason than his personal gain. That being said he was a top player and deserved a top salary. Just went about getting it in the wrong way.

Sydney!

Players get paid to play and most of them are uneducated and not bright and he definitely is not MIT material.

The fans in this case have every right to want to see him gone as no players should be allowed to constantly hold a club ransom. We seem to have a laugh when Suarez wants to leave Liverpool but seem to be okay with this guy no matter what he does or how he behaves.

If there are fans who love this guy so much you can always support him at his next club. I liked beckham and Stam a lot but once they were gone, I frankly could not give a s. t.

I think there are bunch here who need to grow up stop believeing he is some poor innocent guy. He could have come out and denied he requested a transfer but his silence reeks of bs and him and his agent being up to no good. He is no angel and we will replace him and kick on. Get over your Rooney Love.

Shahram

People are looking too much at the requests to leave and not at Rooney the player. The past 18 months he has been poor, out of shape and looked disinterested at times. He has been moved around and subbed a lot but instead of using this as an excuse as to why he has been playing badly, ask yourself why this has been the case?

The reason is because he isn't the player he was a few seasons ago. His pace is on the way out, his short passing is poor and his 1st touch has gone. RVP is better up front, Kagawa is a better player playing behind the front man and Rooney is never a CM player. He no longer has a position which he can dominate and call his own.

In answer to the scoring question, when a player pulls on the red shirt and walks out onto the pitch they have my 100% support. If he scores I will cheer, if he f*cks up I won't get on his back. It doesn't change my view of him as a player though as that view is built up over a long time and not one game or goal. Just because someone doesn't think a player is good enough anymore, doesn't make them any less a supporter than those, who think you have to 100% support every player at all times no matter what they do.

Real football supporters can watch a player and make their own conclusions as to how he has played/been playing and not live in the past or on FIFA.

Brendan81

DarrenUtd

I completely agree but your banging you head against a brick wall with some of these fickle fans.
As far as they are concerned Rooney is Vermin and needs pushing out of the door because everything is his fault.
And by the way Rooney was right last time due to the absolute crap Fergie was signing and let's face it-it actually worked because we did start signing a better caliber of player after that.
Cain is that bitter now he's even comparing the Rooney saga to cheating on your wife.
OMG how bitter can some of you get?
Hilarious!

Simmo

He his not a good professional like Beckham he his a great ambassador of are country never mind are club unlike Rooney smoking sleeping with old woman demanding the club for ransom! he lacks fitness he as lost his pace so on why not cash in?

Oops just realize a bunch of spelling and typo stuff fingers moving faster than usual :)

Shahram

26 Jun 2013 10:58:28
I will support anyone who wears the United shirt while they wear it. But that doesn't mean I have to like him or even want him to remain at the club. If he scores then great, that is what we pay him for after all.

Do you honestly think Rooney would have stayed the first time he asked to leave if instead of giving him a huge wage increase, we spent that money signing three world class players and gave Rooney no wage increase?

Of course not, he the only ambition he felt the clubed lacked was the ambition to pay him more money.

Shahram

I have never defended Rooney saying that he is a saint. Infact he is as much a crook as others are in this profession. Massively overpaid, all of them. The only difference being both Rooney and Stretford are as thick as two short planks. My problem has been with what people say about his footballing abilities. Look beyond at a post from Whistler, looks like he is describing Kevin Phillips or may be a Sunday League striker. This is what irks me. People can be massively blind. I don't think he is innocent, but I do think he has given us 9 years of brilliant service and has won us matches and has carried us on his back sometimes. I think everyone including me, you, KLOOT and others need to lighten up. Like you said fans have a right to ask him to feck off, some also have the right to argue his case and want him here. Goes both ways mate. Like the Rooney fan boys, there are the Anti Rooney ultras. I guess there has to be a middle ground somewhere. You and me, we probably understand each others points and can just about co exist ;). But there are just way too many on both sides of the camp. But am glad you don't think Wayne Rooney is a sunday league standard footballer ;). How do you rate Welbeck hehe!

Deeps.

I have no problem with players getting a king's ransom in wages. It's how things are these days. Top players deserve the top wages and Rooney being our best player in 2010 in one of the biggest clubs in the world, deserved a salary to go with it. What is frustrating is when a player on a top salary isn't performing well. All players have dry patches scoring goals, but when a player cannot stay 100% fit, cannot trap a bag of sand, moans when he is substituted, then you have to make a decision as to whether he is worth the salary he is getting. Surely people can understand that?

Sydney!

26 Jun 2013 01:32:47
I know its been said already but i'd just like to thank the eds for all their hard work. I've been using these sites since back when it was just the single football rumours site. My one question is are the people who upset the eds actual utd fans or just trolls on the wind up. If the eds were able to conclude that it was actual regular posters I believe their actions are justified, if not I think they just played into the hands of the trolls. Anyway without the eds insights and input into the banter I find the site lifeless. So I will be going from a frequent visitor to an infrequent one and I know this is a non profit site run for the fans so my actions affect nobody but hopefully the eds will see that their actions are affecting honest legitimate fans like myself who thoroughly enjoy the site. Once again thanks eds for the hard work over the past few years, I hope you return.

26 Jun 2013 00:56:14
Shahram

Im in the country for 4 months mate but with not much freedom of movement unfortunately.

What they lock you up. If you are around let's grab a drink on the 10th. I have one of my directors with me who is extremely attractive and might make the meeting more memorable than meeting me LOL.

Shahram

Shahram the pomp :-)

Brendan81

Jono, I am gutted for you. Your missus gave you company to Doha.

Deeps.

26 Jun 2013 00:13:30
"Just goes to show how much people would distort facts to fit in their arguments. let's see who were our wingers? Valencia, Nani and Young. Do I need to say more?

Such poor form and ends up getting 16 goals and 16 assists. Kagawa ended up with 6 goals and 4 assists, so much for someone who is supposedly much better than Rooney and that's a given? Not a downer on kags, he will be one heckuvaa player, but people overstate and understate a player's contribution massively just to suit their arguments.

Deeps. "

Deeps, the stats completely distort the reality of the form of some of our players. Kagawa played a small part at the start of the season and a few games at the end. Also if you noticed in the games he did play we struggled only once he came off and then conceeded late goals as we had no one who could keep the ball higher up the pitch. So you need to look at more than just stats.

As for the wingers, yes they played poorly last season but even in that poor form they did a better job out wide than Rooney did on the occasions he played there. Which you would probably expect for that is their specilised position. But that was more a point of where could we fit Rooney in, and it's certainly not wide. You also can't judge the scoring and assisting stats of someone who's played most of there games out wide to someone who has played most of their games in an advanced central position.
For a start the winger had a much more to do defensively and second you don't score many goals from thr touch line.

IMO when you consider all the factors its hard to make a case for keeping Rooney beyond nostalgia.

First he has treated the club and everyone at the club with near contempt with his money grabbing, then his poor form because of his lack of effort and work in keeping himself in shape.

Then you consider his level of fitness? He wasn't in poor form last year because he was over coming injuries. He was in poor form because he couldn't keep fit, then his lack of fitness lead to niggling injuries. He gained nearly a stone and a half in effectively three weeks, that isn't what an athelte who cares about his body does. Yes he's entitled to let his hair down abit, but that is beyond the pale.
Years of over eating, gorging on fatty foods and smoking are catching up with him, plus he is losing the natural fitness that comes with youth. He will need to work twice as hard now as he did a few years ago to maintain that level of fitness.

This struggle for fitness has reduced his first touch to that of a bungling elephant, his explosive pace of his youth has gone, and his poor fitness levels are effecting his concentration which in turn is making him make poor passes and thus conceed possession.

So we have a player who is struggling for form because his lack of fitness, he is struggling for fitness due to his lack of effort, and he lacks the effort because he has no respect for anything or anyone. Including himself. This is not a problem that can be fixed with a quiet word in his ear.

When we signed him he was the next big thing in world football, not Ronaldo, it was Rooney who was expected to have the greater career. Rooney who was the more naturally gifted player. But look what's happened since. Ronaldo has devoted himself to becoming the best player he can be, he was first into training and the last to leave, he wanted to learn to improve, he dedicated himself to it with hours in the gym, on the training pitch, healthy eating diets and by abstaining from alcohol. Rooney used to treat it like he was having a laugh, he'd turn up for training when he was told to but not early, he would leave as early as he could so he could have a burger and a smoke and mess about with his mates, maybe have a couple of pints. He didn't mess about with this healthy diet and gym stuff. He dedicated himself to himself.

And look what Ronaldo has built for himself and what Rooney has? Who will have the best legacy? And ironically who will be the richest?

So these aren't problems with Rooney over the last year or so, it is his deep character flaws that will stop him from achieving his potential, and will stop him regaining his old self.

So we are left with a decision.

Do we keep this personally flawed player, who's flaws with prevent him form reaching the heights of his not to distant past. In doing so though due to his contract situation we would have to offer him a new deal or risk leaving us financially exposed. This current Rooney isn't deserving of his current wage, so why would we offer him a new better deal when he will only decline during that deal?

Or do we sell him and recover as much money as we can now and let him decline with someone else?

It's a tricky one as he probably still has a good couple of years left in him, so where ever he goes he will do well there for a year or two.

I say let him go, he no longer comands a place in our first team so I couldn't justify giving him a new contract on a higher wage, and he won't accept a lower wage. Recover as much money as we can and reinvest it.

Shapps

There are few on here who can articulate a post so good. You certainly take the cake there mate. Very well written but some basic flaws for me, please answer them.

1)Kagawa played in 26 games mate, not a very small part I would say. Yes there were subsitute appearances. Rooney featured in 36 games. Both had a stop start injury hit season.

2)What is your statement "Kagawa was playing better than Rooney" based on. Certainly not on stats. Is it just because we are getting caught up with the rosey feeling that it is the same Kagawa who pulled the strings for a Dortmund side who played beautiful football. Sorry mate, it actually never happened for us. We don't play to Kagawa's strengths. For the umpteenth time he "will" be a class player, but last season was average.

3)None of us have accompanied Wayne to a lunch, dinner, brunch, breakfast etc. We massively overstate what he is eating. You look like you are describing an Obese American with that list of food habits you penned out for him. We fall for bad press don't we. I am not saying he doesent eat junk, but we overstate it.

4)Ronaldo definitely made more out of his talent and his dedication has been exemplary. But he has been the most selfish player I have ever seen in my life. And for the record if Rooney leaves, I will still keep in mind, it was Ronny who jumped ship when we needed him the most.

5)He gets along extremely well with most of our staff, players and is extremely selfless on the pitch. I don't get the deep character flaws you are talking about. If you are talking about the fat contract, look at what exactly Ronaldo is upto now. Only difference, Jorge Mendes is a brilliant conman and Stretford is a knob.

6)Footballers should always be rated on what they do on the pitch, they are not supposed to be sages. Its a profession, a livelihood for them. For us fans, its something different.

We will see what happens.

Deeps.

The Rooney debate goes on. In my view Rooney had an average season last year and still managed 16 goals and several assists. This was also playing out of position and NOT as an attacker for most of the season.
So we have a lot of people saying get rid of him, he's past his best. Do any of these people actually believe that Rooney, at 27 years of age, is past his best? From what I've seen in football over the last 45 years, footballers normally have their best periods between the ages of 26 and 31.
So let's say we sold Rooney, I ask the question once more, who can we buy for £25m to replace his goals, assists, experience?
Nomidfield

Shappy -

You're right about the stats distorting the reality. In this instance however, I'd argue that they skew the balance in Rooney's favour.

Even when playing far below the standard to which we all know he is capable of playing; he STILL bags a great amount of goals and assists.

As for the rest of your post; who are you to say how much effort Rooney has put in regarding his fitness or who or what he respects?

It upsets me how fickle some United fans are.

redseven

I don't want to engage in your discussion, but want to make a point for Kagawa nevertheless.

Kagawa had a decent season, being played out of position, changing club, country and mentality.
Rooney had a decent season, point.

But here you have Rooney asking for a transfer, verbally, and now vying for a huge contract renewal.
On the other hand you have Kagawa, never complaining about being played out of position, but rather saying over and over that he let himself down with his performances and needs to improve next season alot!

Huge difference for me!

26 Jun 2013 10:27:22
What is the love in with kagawa.
The same people who go on and on about how poor Rooney was can see no wrong in kagawa.
I honestly think they are that desperate for kags to take over from Rooney they are seeing things.
Rooney and kagawa were both poor last season you can make excuses for both of them but the fact is they were both below par.
the season before that kags was poor for Dortmund right up till Xmas really struggled. After Xmas he played well and finished the season strongly.
The season before that he started the season strongly but broke his foot.

And that's it, looks a good prospect but still hasn't had one good full season.
He managed 49 league games for Dortmund.
There are question marks if can even adapt to the EPL.
For the record I think his good player but the whole kags can do no wrong Rooney can do no right so how biased some can be imo.
Ironically I think kags played his best football playing on the rare occasions of Rooney
Jred

Jonny

I give it to you, Kags is a gracious, modest and humble chap. I really liked his self analysis. He will be a superb footballer if he isent already. Just one point, its not the first season that Rooney has been played all over the park to suit the teams needs. It has happened before. Can you imagine any other top player having to play so many positions?

Deeps.

26 Jun 2013 11:59:08
Kagawa only played 2/3 times in his prefered and best position, where as despite common belief Rooney played most of his games in the no. 10 role which he claims to be his best position.

Rooney's injuries came from him not being fit, where as Kagawa's came from a knee twist.

Your right i'm not basing my opinion on who played best by looking at the stats. I'm using an older idea, its called watching the game. I based my opinions on what I see them doing on the pitch. Also when you consider Kagawa was settling into a new country, culture and team while also trying to learn a new languagae and a new style of play.

Your right that we aren't privvy to Rooney's exact eating habits. But I have been told that he turned up to pre-season a stone and a half over weight. When you consider he only had three weeks off after being away with England and before he returned to Carrington. I've never met anyone who can put on half a stone a week by eating salads.

My views on who he respects is based on his actions, his actions haven't been thoses of someone who respects his employers or those he plays for.

True footballers should be judged on their performances on the pitch, and I wouldn't say based on last season's performances he is worth being the highest paid player at the club. His work rate and his effort clearly took a huge dip last season.

Its all perspective, and from my point of view from everything i've seen he isn't worth a new contract. Which means maybe its time for Wayne to leave before he damages his image with the fans anymore than he has already.

26 Jun 2013 11:59:37
Right on the money Jred. It is ironic that Shinji's best performances came when Rooney was playing. I think that was Fergie's initial plan, Kagawa playing behind Rooney until Persie became available.

Deeps.

You have certainly not used the old way of watching games to judge people. You dislike Rooney, that's clear, as a result you are overstating what Kagawa did last season. If I tickle my negative bone, I would say the only memory I have for Kags is him being bullied off the ball. But honestly I would apply perspective, rather than calling for someones head because it seems fashionable on this site these days.

From what "you have heard" I am appalled you can put so much credence as to when Rooney came to training, what he did post that and mess around with friends. You seem to know Wayne Rooney personally. Sorry mate, this sounds so unlike you, only because you don't like the player.

Deeps.

Rodallega tore into Rooney's thighs because Rooney was unfit? Are you referring to the lightning fast reflexes he should have had to avoid Hugo's boots. Lol mate, you are not making much sense here.

Deeps.

Meant to say,

Shappy - I agree with most of your posts and they tend to be well balanced but I can't help think your ones on Wayne are less so.

You seem to 'assume' things when in reality none of us know.

Whichever way you look at it Rooney had at least as good a season as Kagawa and IMO he contributed more.

HB

26 Jun 2013 18:34:57
I said further down I would refrain from joining the Rooney debate but I must agree with a lot of what Jred and Deeps say in this instance.

Rooney despite his many flaws still contributes a lot to United, even in poor form. His goals/assists alone show that. If he goes we will need a good replacement.

Also, on Kagawa, he is already one of my favourite United players alongside Hernandez and Rafael BUT some poster's really have distored his quality or performance levels from last season to try and put Rooney down further. No need for it in my book, it just skews things.

Kags will hopefully be class but Rooney contributed a lot more last season.

Note - I have not stated here whether Rooney should stay or go, I have no interest in getting into that because there are far too many variables to consider. My point is purely that poster's saying Kagawa is 'better' or contributes more than Rooney are just looking for ways to put him down IMO.

HB