Manchester United Banter Archive September 26 2014

26 Sep 2014 21:06:09
I see there is the usual jibes on here at LvG but actually I am looking forward to tomorrow. I can't wait to take my seat and watch our team.

People seem to forget the ethos of United. Many times I have been to OT or away from home where we were up against it yet the crowd realised that and got behind the team. Tomorrow the usual suspects have their usual injuries so we will have a makeshift defence but in the past that just made us shout louder. In 79 we took on a far superior Liverpool side at Maine Road and our astonishing vocal support gave us an extra 20%, let's do that tomorrow.

One other point is that Uniteds tradition is to give youth a chance, something we have been criticised for not doing after our summer splurge so tomorrow it should be something special if a young lad gets a chance, it is what our club has been famous for. It is what raises the hairs on the back of your neck when a young lad gets that chance. What a fantastic message it would give to every single youth out there. At City Chelsea you have no chance, at United you will get a chance and I bet, if it happened every youth in our club would be buzzing. People take the mickey out of LvG and his philosophy but that is a real United philosophy.

It is also interesting to note the ones who think LvG should pull his socks up were by and large firmly behind giving the previous manager ultimate support this time last season. LvG deserves that support right now and he has mine. Roll on tomorrow

Lol, 'you have a chance at united', yeah, right then mate, who was the last?

Agreed red man. We've played 5 matches and everyone is going ballistic. I've enjoyed us playing this season. Also, lvg is not blessed with having vidic, evra and Rio in there. We have lost a lot of experience in the back, and in time, we will get a couple of players who will strengthen us in that position.
We have a lot of new players who've only had a few matches playing together, so let's not expect miracles just yet.
We gave Moyes and his utterly dull and useless brand of management nearly a full year, and yet people are jumping on lvg's back after five matches. Calm down!!

Nice post Red Man, I think all of us are looking forward to it and to be fair it is always great to see youngsters given an opportunity.

The problem is that the only reason youngsters will be picked is because far too many errors have been made. Chelsea won't play youngsters because they have strength in depth and have players who don't get injured getting out of bed in the morning.

Look how Januzaj & Wilson have barely featured because we have plenty of options going forward. When we have options and he still picks youth then I will believe it is the Utd way, at the moment it is just a lack of options driving the decision nothing more.

The manager is not doing his job properly.

26 Sep 2014 21:40:21
Top post Red man. Totally agree.

Whether it Paddy Mcneir or Tom Thorpe tomorrow as long as he shuts down West Ham I don't care

26 Sep 2014 23:19:28
Aron, Blackett?

Beast

Wilson is still recovering from an injury and not being pushed yet. He will learn from Falcao, massively.

I don't see all these "errors" but I do see a decisive suitably experienced manager going about the massive job he was given in a structured way. I have taken on difficult managerial roles in the past (not in football) where the direction needed changing and a better structure implementing, it needs a little time to get the ethos changed. Given that time when things are better set it will reap rewards and that is what I expect after time with LvG.

Redman

I am not turning on the manager as i supported the previous manager and also this one. The previous manager got slated for everything with a team that was not good enough and some of us saw that.

Or current manager seems to distance himself from our failures so far this season but at the end of the day he is the captain of the ship.

Whilst people say they have enjoyed our play going forward and finally scoring goals, well that is not surprising given where we have spent money.

I think the results are terrible against nothing teams and wonder how many points we would have had if we had last years fixtures.

We can not week in week out come up with an excuse why we dropped points as these are the easy fixtures and god help us as we are test to play our traditional and new rivals.

Team organisation is managerial function and we are all over the place at the moment.

Hopefully today we pickup 3 points playing without the drama. I think they will come at us given our injury issues and general organisation and think it will be a very difficult game.

Gcu
Good common sense post.
If not sure it will go down well

Good common sense jred? Is it common sense to employ someone. Ask him to undertake a total overhaul of staff, change draconian systems that have gone out of the game 5years ago. Then give him 6 weeks and start telling him that whatever he's doing is rubbish!! Is that common sense?
I do have a large number of employees in my company and we do recruit the best people, but all of them take at least a year until they learn and start putting their influence on the company. If I started getting on their back after 6 weeks, then we'll have no one left.
Common sense!!

GCU

I think it will be a difficult game today and we will have to watch their pace on the break especially given our defensive issues.

LvG has started to make the changes that should have been identified and acted upon over a year ago. We are already behind on that and have to play catch up. I know from experience when you make changes to direction, implement new ideas it takes time to show major improvement.

LvG is accountable for organisation but I would be interested to know what Giggs is doing? I think our set up is a good one but the defensive side is down to injuries, quality and lack of a settled back four.

I am confident it will come right, regardless of how these initial games go.

Is it good common sense to sack him after 10 months .
Its a big job it will take time . Moyes needed time so does lvg, my view on that has never changed and if we ate 7th after xmas i will stick to that.

It was common sense to sack him after 10 months because of all the reasons we discussed on here. Thank heaven we did because he never ever had the basis to be employed by us in the first place, starting with a large hole where honours should be showing on his CV
Move on he has thankfully long been sacked and our club saved from mediocrity

Red Man - This isn't the post for me to list all the mistakes I feel LVG has made as it will lose traction. But I like you have undertaken difficult roles in business, I have also owned businesses and recruited people specifically to change the direction of those businesses.

The difficult thing to juggle is maintaining profits whilst undertaking that change, LVG is operating like a public servant when he should be operating like it is his own money at stake. One of the first things he did was criticise our commercial focus, the very focus that has enabled him to acquire massively overpriced players (albeit quality players for the most part). He is spending other peoples money, then bitching about how he got that money. He is not only lessening the profits at this stage, he is literally closing down the business for a renovation that will go on and on and on it seems. We have no idea when this revamp will be completed because the goal posts keep moving.

The one tick in his box is that the supporters have been so disappointed over the past 12 months that they will literally accept anything just on a promise (from a manager that has never proven himself long term). But we are a fickle bunch and I notice a bit of traction in the media now as well so that tick will turn to a cross if results don't improve sharpish.

One major point, (and a couple more as I can't resist): he said it will take up to 3 months for our players to adapt to his methods. Yet the first 2 months including pre-season were spent playing a formation we aren't going to play? After assessing the team he said it was good enough to win the league. He then said it was unbalanced, but did very little about it. It will now take 12 months for them to adapt, would you accept this in business?

If I had appointed LVG I would be livid, there are ways to rebuild without destroying the existing business. We have no tangible evidence that his eventual plan will work and the route we travel is always changing which is very disconcerting. Will we go through all of this again when he moves to 4-3-3?

He has lost his job shortly after every restructuring he has done in the past, because it doesn't stand up to the tests. If this is what he said would happen to the board then we can't blame LVG, but there is no way they would have hired him if he had.

You don't always make the right calls in management, but it takes a brave man to stop something once it's started because it doesn't feel right and big money is at stake (Moyes period), it takes a very brave man to do that twice in quick succession. I don't think Woody is that brave and I think he has everything crossed at the minute, hoping he keeps his own job because sacking off the LVG master plan would mean he would get removed, so we are basically pandering to weak management at the very top in my eyes.

Whatever people try to convince themselves about the state of our club, there is no question in my eyes that this is not what we signed up for. There has been zero progress aside from some big signings. Everything else is just talk, we see the results of his management on the pitch, that is all that matters.

Moyes would not have been allowed to do this to a title winning team. So people can't compare Moyes negatively to this mess. LVG has much more support from above due to the brave man thing I referred to above he is abusing it and failing in his job so far.

26 Sep 2014 17:51:02
Lads I need tickets for the Sunderland game on feb 28. It will be me and my son (he's 12,is this an adult for tickets??) and I am wondering where online I should buy them ?(average seats be fine ) and also how much I would have to pay ?

All suggestions welcome ,thanks

26 Sep 2014 20:41:25
Depends mate if u want a home game sign u and ure son up to be a United memeber and u should have no problem getting tickets if it's at old Trafford, if it's away and u want away section good luck lol.

Check availibilty before you spend on memerships, this season unlike previous they released the full seasons games in august instead of game by game.most games even into next year have very limited availibilty left.

26 Sep 2014 16:43:58
CHRIS THE REDMAN
Fantastic news regarding your son.May God bless your family:)(angel)

26 Sep 2014 16:57:11
Thanks dags oops I mean rest 😜

Great news CTR :)

26 Sep 2014 17:17:22
Chris

It's getting ridiculous now :-) you are driving me mad? Will u just tell me the reason? :-)

26 Sep 2014 11:17:13
So its very much confirmed that Paddy McNair will pe playing in defence along side Rojo.
Anyone can tell us that how good is McNair at the defence because all i know is he started
as a striker in his early days.Will he be able to cope with the physical westham side?

Yet another straw on that camels back for me, how has it come to this? No disrespect to McNair.

He's an former midfielder who got turned into a defender 2-3 years ago, good with the ball in his feet, not scared of going forward with the ball. Quite quick to be an central defender, but still young, and it's his second season now with the under 21's. But showed great potential the entire year last season, and would probably grasp the opportunity if given. Maybe not as calm as Thorpe at times if i should compare them, but doesn't make mistakes that Thorpe does. A cynical defender.

Brilliant technique, former midfielder, grew astonishingly fast after 16. Has done well so far. I know it isen't ideal, but the joy of seeing our young guns getting a chance, nothing trumps it. I am personally happy how folks like Perreira, Blackett and now Mcnair are getting a shot.

Deeps.

Why have we loaned keane out ?

26 Sep 2014 16:52:18
I think Keane was loaned out because he was unlikely to get much game time, as a result he would progress more playing first team football somewhere else rather than reserve team football with us. Even if we make it to the FA cup final we only have about 42 games left but we could have as few as 34.

So with several players infront of him he'd have been lucky to get a couple of games all season.

LvG likes to have defined roles for players and he very much splits central defence in to left side central and right side central. Evans, Smalling and Jones make up the choices for RCB, with Blackett, Rojo and Blind able to cover the LCB. So we have three players for each side, the fact that we have three injuries in one of those roles is just very unfortunate.

Its like having all three of your Goalkeepers out injured at the same time, you can't not loan out your 4/5 choice youngsters incase of injuries.

All i know is that we are at home giants a sos so team with a150 million of investment. No excuses and don't want to hear blah blah blah about system or philosophy. Time for the manager to got off his ass and show how he can tactically deal with injuries with the wealth of talent at his disposal. If we are short of defenders, he had money to deal with it in the summer window, so no excuses and the china brigade being all out even a smart joe like me knew that they are unreliable so for someone who says he is big into analysis and stats it should not be a surprise.

Lots of manager out there with 250 million of money who will win you trophies.

Shappy
add shaw and we have 4 to cover lb.
i think kean was ready for a some first team action unlike tyler, who has played every game.

Also its not surprising at all that them 3 are injured

Gcu
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At least the young lad won't have a central defensive partner who has played more football at left back than centre back recently and also doesn't have English as his first language, plus a right back next to him that although now classed as experienced is still always a moment of rashness away from getting sent off, throw in a teenage left back also making his first competitive home start, a young (although good) keeper who has not yet developed the leadership qualities of our past keepers and a player making only his third start for the club in front of them all. easy debut really.

On a serious note, hope the lad does well with his unexpected chance. It's not his fault he's in the position he's in and he'll be wearing the shirt.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fletcher doesn't start ahead of Herrara, RVP or Falcao in order to provide a bit more protection in numbers to an inexperienced back 4.