Manchester United Banter Archive April 27 2015

 

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27 Apr 2015 21:52:57
Chris my friend, I share many of your frustrations but like jred I try and just ignore those that annoy me.

It needed saying though. My 2 biggest issues are the same thing being posted again and again by the same poster, and people actively looking for arguments. It's a banter site, let's have a laugh. We can disagree but it's not a point scoring competition. There are some oysters I instinctively agree with,and some I don't but I don't feel the need t slag them off. Come on everyone, group hug.

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27 Apr 2015 22:26:28
Group hug.
Only if I can have a cookie :-)

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27 Apr 2015 22:26:54
Maybe I overreacted Tony, I really didn't set out today to dig this out.

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27 Apr 2015 22:40:14
I find AJH that it's the regulars that get abused yourself Beast Ctr JMB.You voice your opinions strongly and whatever is said you stand by them which a lot of posters don't do

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27 Apr 2015 23:21:37
CTR like AJH said, it needed saying.
Maybe some people will wake up now.

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27 Apr 2015 23:41:45
I'm not sure anybody gets abused MB, it's all in pretty good spirits.

AJH,

I think you are wrong, not sure any of us are oysters, 1-0 to GDS on the point scoring system ;)

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28 Apr 2015 07:19:36
Sorry had to come out of my shell.

I'll get my coat.

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28 Apr 2015 08:09:23
Oysters! Damn touch screen and auto correct. Not my best pearl of wisdom

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28 Apr 2015 08:31:40
Just put it down to, 'a bad day at the office', Chris :)

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28 Apr 2015 14:32:30
Touchy day yesterday Chris?

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28 Apr 2015 14:32:40
Tough!*

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28 Apr 2015 15:10:21
Chris I often post with my "pearls" of wisdom, not all negative by any stretch. I think you are wrong to keep accusing me of shirking the website when the going is good, I've read several of your posts accusing me of this in recent days. I missed one game (Villa) and was without internet for a week or so, I have taken all of the "I told you so" posts on the chin and post after every game and during the week.

I actually posted a positive message this weekend before the 2nd half saying how I couldn't believe we were 2-0 down as we were playing well. Funnily enough it met with a lot of disagrees. I'm happy to play the role of Pantomime Villain if you need someone to blame, might change my name to Nigel Farage if that helps?! haha

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28 Apr 2015 15:45:06
I'll let u keep taking that rope JMB mate.

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29 Apr 2015 00:02:47
Sorry Chris I do not understand?

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27 Apr 2015 21:40:17
Not United related but I would just like to welcome Bournemouth to the premier league. Proper footballing fairy tale.

Good luck lads.

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27 Apr 2015 22:36:49
There a very decent footballing side CtR i think they will go well as Howe is a good manager.

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27 Apr 2015 23:16:44
I agree mate, a very tidy team

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27 Apr 2015 23:12:46
Glad to see it, mate. Always had a soft spot for them since my cousin played for them back in the 90s. Well-run club, good young British manager with a good footballing ethos. I hope they make the most of their stay in the Premiership, and hopefully they can prolong their stay a little longer. Remind me of Swansea a bit, and they've done alright.

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28 Apr 2015 02:08:00
Nothing like a Russian billionaire to speed things along for them.

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28 Apr 2015 04:02:50
Great sentiments, I wish Bournemouth well.

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28 Apr 2015 17:58:42
Not a fairy tale at all. They have one of the highest wage bills in the championship and they are in fact paying Kenwyne Jones £30k a week which is the same as Sterling is currently getting paid!

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27 Apr 2015 19:57:13
I know i am abit late but just saw the post wbile scrolling thorough your site
Serstha
Stay safe mate and best wishes for you and your family

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27 Apr 2015 21:30:52
I missed that post too, hope he's doing ok, aswell as his family and friends. Puts fighting for the top 4 into perspective. When you see things like that, you realise it isn't important. It's a game and we love it, but compared to losing family and friends, it's totally insignificant.

Srestha, my thoughts are with you. I'm not religious, but I hope, if there is a greater being, they are keeping you all safe and giving you extra strength at this horrific time.

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27 Apr 2015 20:18:37
Good man feet buddy. (Dags2)

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28 Apr 2015 05:26:19
You know chris one of these days I'm going to seriously explode after hearing dags 2

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28 Apr 2015 06:49:13
U should take it as a compliment.

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28 Apr 2015 08:42:46
No mate it's bcos i still don't know why u call me that

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28 Apr 2015 09:43:21
It's because.,.,.

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28 Apr 2015 12:37:47
Chris
In thw words of liam neeson I'll find you and I'll kill you:-P

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27 Apr 2015 16:39:42
I personally think we should sign,

Butland, Williamson, Whelan and Crouch.

I know they are not fancy Latin names though.

So peed we missed out on Lambert, Lallana and Lennon.

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27 Apr 2015 17:03:51
toys out the pram ?

i think butland will turn out to be a decent keeper to be honest

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27 Apr 2015 17:23:55
No jred I've found the light mate, I can't believe it's took me this long before!!!

I vantage wait till we have those players on the pitch smashing Madrid and barca all over the place.

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27 Apr 2015 18:00:37
chris
i wouldn't of thought so pal but each to there own

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27 Apr 2015 18:09:15
Ok then.

Can u tell me how McLean is doing atm I must admit I've not watched much of him since his move to Wigan and I know ure an avid watcher.

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27 Apr 2015 18:17:29
chris
haven't seen much of wigan lately to be honest pal don't watch that much championship football your asking the wrong man .

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27 Apr 2015 18:26:11
Fair enough.

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27 Apr 2015 18:28:28
They might do better than falco and di Maria ,how much have they cost us,still say McCarthy can do a job in a top team.

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27 Apr 2015 18:34:25
if we continue to play down the flanks maybe crouch would be a good fit.

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27 Apr 2015 18:42:20
McCarthy could do a number of jobs for a top team, he could lay out cones, hand out bibs etc.

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27 Apr 2015 19:02:06
Haha agreed Chris

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27 Apr 2015 19:25:03
Chris make out there how much falco and di Maria have cost us,a big loss my friend too much of a loss.are they the kind of players your after.if we have to many flair players in the team we need a player to sit make tackles pass off the ball.

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27 Apr 2015 19:39:21
Where in my post have I even argued the point we don't need that type of player?

I'd just rather sign a Vidal type than a James McCarthy/Delph type.

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27 Apr 2015 19:39:45
It is funny how a banter website can actually get under the skin of so many on here. Chris mate, you were actually amongst the select few who would give posters their fair due, regardless of a difference in opinion. But I guess, nothing lasts forever. Each one to its own pal

Deeps.

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27 Apr 2015 20:18:03
Why am I not now deeps? Because I disagree? Is that giving me my fair view?

I remember when this site used to be fun and people actually talked like adults and conversed in a mature fashion and guess what, had banter.

Now we have a clique type of thing forming where people are constantly being shot down at any opportunity because they disagree with a certain clique.

For months we have had to read and 're read the same negative/abusive/childish posts from the same posters everyday, then if 1 person thought different they were rounded on called all sorts,told they had there head in the sand, were not living in the real world etc.

THEN after months of that, BOOM we are actually looking good again, winning well and beating top teams in the league, those people rounded on are rightly happy and I'm sure in some way felt they were vindicated in the beliefs. But no wait that's not this page anymore, no we need people being called out on posts 5 months old or narky posts or even better they disappear! ONLY to again reappear just in time for the first game we have played bad for in the last 2 months. Funny that ain't it? Some would say bloody coincidence I prefer being a 'realist' and just calling it really POOR form.


This week again we have lost our best source of info because some numbskulls can't get there brain to think before there mouths talk. Thanks again for whoever that was, and I would just like to say to ed02 thanks for everything u have done for us mate and I hope u come back but I totally, like most on here understand your reasons and if u don't, well I have enjoyed and will still enjoy your input on other more mature pages that actually value the info u give out.

No deeps mate! I don't think I'm the one that's changed over the last year, I'm just biting back a little bit tbh and will prob follow ed02's suit and have a break from this page for a while at this rate.


Jred, I would just like to take this moment to say I don't want it to seem like I'm getting at you mate, u know I really rate you as a poster buddy and I can see it did come across a bit like I did.

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27 Apr 2015 20:47:42
chris
people use the site for different things.
1 persons argument is an other persons banter.

1 persons snide remark may be another persons joke ( i might of got gds all wrong)
to be honest some don't add a lot to the debate ,they just take the pi55.

but each to there own, if i don't like the thread i just ignore it or move on , unless its syd.

hats of to beast while i'm preaching who takes more stick than the rest of us put together ,normally for good reason but still good effort

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27 Apr 2015 21:12:55
beast gives a hell of a lot, shame he's not around at times to take some back, coincidence?

I'm all for debates, but u yourself admit u have not been around much lately jred but it's been pretty poor on here for a while mate.


Jred, about 15 months ago u know what I was going through with my little one and I came on here to ask for positive thoughts and prayers for him, because this place was my second home mate. I used to look forward to shappys LONG posts likewise u and deeps endlessly debating syd, redman with his excellent analysis, Tony and Stevie with there love in and gav. just being gav lol etc.

I remember when Kloot would shoot down posters and get nasty and people rightly took offense to it and told him. Why? Because we were a great community, albeit differing views on things but still we all seemed to get on.

I don't mean at all to get onto anyone, u know it's not my style and maybe today I'm just having a bad day. But I've just had enough atm.

I want this site to get back to the place it was before.

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27 Apr 2015 21:29:27
CTR,maybe you should take a sabatical over on the gooner page,the sun is shining and the flowers are in bloom,after all,they are your second club! lol

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27 Apr 2015 21:36:16
Don't stop posting mate. I just thought you are getting a little serious about this disagreement of sorts. Yes we miss KLOOT and Syd in all honesty.

Deeps.

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27 Apr 2015 21:47:56
We are all in the one boat here,united fans looking for the best players to play for us,everyone is entitled to their own opinion,some posters get carried away when they see some player scoring goals or playing well for their teAm and they want them to sign,ed02s head must be wrecked from it and the same questions about the same players over and over again,as he or she says,rtfp.i hope we get in a few top players who will work hard and so they should.maybe we are all born winners and just hate losing,if we win we are all happy,I like reading all posts,Chris,jred,fresh,syd,Betty.people have a go at beast but I think he has a valid opinion,let's all just chill ,we should get fourth at least ,not bad

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27 Apr 2015 21:56:32
Arsenal fans will get everything they deserve next year word up and I for one can't wait! Classless fans.

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27 Apr 2015 22:05:05
CTR
Your absolutely right, not much fun on here for a long while now hence the reason I don't get involved too much.
To many puffed out chests just wanting to start ARGUMENTS and not BANTER, bring back the old days people and let's try to get along.
Anyway (puffed out chest) "I'm Spartacus"

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27 Apr 2015 23:15:05
Guys, I'm filling up here :)

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27 Apr 2015 23:53:11
Jred,

If you don't think I am joking a lot of the time then you do have me totally wrong, my sense of humour is sarcastic, not snide, I don't get offended very easily and I think a lot of the regulars 'get it'. I find snide comments to be one liners on posts that add nothing apart from making the poster look a bit stupid, something you do quite regularly.

We clearly don't get each others sense of humour, but sure you are a top bloke and like I always say about beast, we would have a laugh down the pub at some of the stuff on here.

Chris, I feel similar to you about the page recently, anyone with a positive opinion is shot down and it feels like some people have been hoping we stop playing well so they can say 'I told you we were only playing well because'.

Losing ed002 at such a critical time is a blow for the page, the person who said it is his / her job is an absolute moron, I try not to ask the eds too much unless they comment on my posts and get a bit of conversation going, anyone who thinks they have a right to a reply from an editor needs their head looking at, and I hope ed002 changes his / her mind before the end of the summer at least as this site will be a worse place without him / her.

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{Ed007's Note - It's hard work trying to get a laugh on here mate. I'll try and sweet talk Ed002 but it might take a while, maybe during that time the site can get back to what it was meant to be for, somewhere for you lot to talk/discuss/debate Utd. It was never meant to be an Ed002 Q&A site. People are allowed an opinion of their own without needing it validated by an Ed, it's not the Liverpool site ffs!}

28 Apr 2015 01:17:39
Fingers crossed bond, pretty sure the site can get back there, there are some great characters on here, some new guys who are adding a lot and the regulars who know what this site can be and have been here for months / years.

Good little dig at liverpool, managed to get a laugh from me there!

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{Ed007's Note - Wait until I start my live phone-in show!}

28 Apr 2015 09:46:31
The site will be far better when we get back to just giving our opinions without needing editorial validation, isn't that right Bond?

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{Ed004's Note - Am I not good enough for you Danny?}

28 Apr 2015 11:22:12
I'll take validation where ever, whenever I can get it, and from anyone willing to dole it out. Would it be possible for posts to be graded with gold stars?

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{Ed001's Note - even from a Liverpool fan? As for the gold stars I would suggest it to Ed033 but how would we grade it? I mean if we take, for obvious reasons, my posts as being the top ranks of say 5 gold stars, it would make it very difficult for everyone else to even reach 1 star in comparison. We would have to find a minus star for 007's posts......}

28 Apr 2015 12:38:06
The more "Agree" clicks the more stars :)

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mbd              

28 Apr 2015 13:03:33
Okay, let's not be too hasty ed001. Having said that if Liverpool fans (like you hint hint) were offering to send a few gold stars in the post that I could stick to my forehead, I think I'd be happy with that sort of validation. I think gold stars could be done like scouting badges: a star for saying Rooney's past it and should be sold, a star for comparing LVG to Moyes or Fergie, a star for asking about a potential transfer without searching for previous posts about said transfer, a star for talking about the good old days when United didn't win anything and we still cheered for them, and the illusive star for making an intentionally ridiculous statement that other posters reply to as if you're being serious.

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{Ed001's Note - that would be fun. When we get the chance to get some more profile badges for this site, I think we might have to look to have badges for just those things. As for a gold star to stick to your forehead, I think silver is all you have managed to earn so far, gold requires more sucking up. You have a lot to learn in that area!}

27 Apr 2015 15:50:40
LVG said after the match yesterday that himself and his staff had a bad feeling about the match based on the warm up .
Surely he should have got them together before the game started, told them he wasn't happy with what he saw and that anyone who carried that attitude into the game would find themselves being substituted and left out of the team next week

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27 Apr 2015 16:57:36
But then wouldn't he be accused of not filling them with confidence before a game?

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27 Apr 2015 16:58:27
One of my major issues with the manager is his attitude on match days. I think I contribute more watching the game than he does from the bench!

He never adapts to opponents during games, never instructs/advises and barely moves (unless its too give Giggs a slap). I don't get the point in having a manager that doesn't manage problems as they arise, surely match day is the most important aspect of the week, you can prep all you like but he is paid money to solve problems not add to them.

I wish he would show some willingness to amend the system or strategy as our opponents do, far too stubborn and our opponents have capitalised on this all season.

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27 Apr 2015 17:49:51
Didn't know you had a camera on LVG all game, Beast.

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27 Apr 2015 18:01:45
Lol gagus. How does he find time to watch the game

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27 Apr 2015 18:04:07
I remember this sensation from when I used to coach kids. You just get a sense that there's a spark missing, and by that time it's too late, there's absolutely nothing you can do or say to change it. I am sure we've all experienced those sub-par days when nothing seems to come together. They are an unfortunate reality. SAF's teams used to have them too. In particular, I recall a bad tempered affair at Fulham when both Rooney and Scholes managed to get red carded.

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27 Apr 2015 18:49:47
LvG Has said he wants his players to have the intelligence on the pitch to adapt.

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27 Apr 2015 19:26:45
U mean a manager that wants to trust his players to make the right choices on the pitch? Don't be daft I wanna see him jumping about like a mad man!

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27 Apr 2015 20:05:31
I don't care how animated or vocal he is on the bench, they're professional athletes not ten year olds who need minute by the minute instructions. But there a few questions about his motivational skills. He said that he could see the players lacked a bit of spark in the warm up yesterday, but it's the manager's job to address that and get the players revved up. For all his tactical skills, I think he finds it hard to appeal to players' more emotional sides and put fire in their bellies.

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27 Apr 2015 20:27:03
Yes, he definitely needs to learn the St Crispins Day speech from Henry V.

I do think he has this expectation about his squad though, and ultimately that's how he's going to develop the team. He needs self-motivated intelligent players who by game time are ready to execute his instructions. Like everyone else though I can't help thinking that a bit of sideline passion would be useful on occasion.

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28 Apr 2015 11:54:20
Beast, your posts are getting more absurd each time

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27 Apr 2015 16:12:18
If you guys want to know about movements surroubding managers, go and visit the arsenal page . Some very hot info.

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27 Apr 2015 16:06:57
Thought I'd make a quick post on who we have out on loan at the minute, who will make it?

The three I want to focus on is Hernandez, Nani and Cleverley.

For me the only one that has a future is Nani, he could still do a job depending on who we sign out wide in the summer. Young has performed well, Mata has done well also. Januzaj I think needs a loan move to sort himself out. Valencia is by no means considered to be a winger anymore. If we get Depay in he is still quite raw and then we have the problem that is Di Maria - will he turn it on or not? Nani has re-found himself at Sporting and for me, deserves 6 months unless we get someone in like Bale.

Wide options of Di Maria, Mata, Depay, Young and Nani sound pretty strong to me and if keeping him for a season means that we can let Januzaj get some first team football elsewhere and come back stronger then for me it is worth it.

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27 Apr 2015 16:59:47
The only one who would make it in our current system is Cleverley - LVG is all about pointless possession, Hernandez and Nani give it away too much.

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27 Apr 2015 18:09:56
To be honest Beast after one bad result the meltdown on here is incredible. We have just taken 9 points from Tottenham, Liverpool and Man City with a narrow defeat to Chelsea. We were caught yesterday on the break, the squad isn't quite there yet and injuries in certain key areas are problematic - we don't have the depth we need yet.

It's not all doom and gloom, and controlling the ball has done a good job for Barcelona over recent years. We just need to move it a bit quicker.

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27 Apr 2015 18:19:23
has there been a melt down ?
just people discussing the game imo

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27 Apr 2015 18:31:33
LvG is all about pointless possession? Can't remember you saying that after our wins against Spurs, liverpool and City mate but as soon as we lose away at two difficult grounds its all back to sulking like a kid is it? I know you're obviously annoyed but do you realise what you come across as Beast?

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27 Apr 2015 16:04:28
With all the hostility in Syria, sorry - i mean this site ;) I thought i'd spark up something I don't think we've talked about before.

There have been many players who it was thought were going to go on, to become sensational players, but got injured, which ended their career or hampered their careers.

My question is, if you could have signed any one of them before their injury (and it may have turned out differently), who would you pick?

For me, without a doubt it has to be Ronaldo (Fenomeno) who, although was still a sensational player, it's said he would have been twice the player had he not picked up a bad injured early in his career.

I watched him play in the first game Brazil played after winning the 2002 world cup, world class players littered through the team, but you couldn't take your eyes off him. A player i'd have loved to have played for us.

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27 Apr 2015 16:45:54
I have to agree on Ronaldo too. To be honest, he and Zidane are probably the two players I would of loved to see play for us.

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27 Apr 2015 16:48:25
mpez
for 12 month at barcelona he was the best player I've ever seen

i would prob go with gazza

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27 Apr 2015 17:01:11
For us - Hargreaves (just what we needed)
Overall - Gazza as well.

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27 Apr 2015 20:08:28
Danny Pugh obviously, probably a bit too ahead of his time. If he was playing in 4035, he'd be lauded as the best four limbed player of his generation.

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27 Apr 2015 11:30:24
Regarding Ed002, fair play to you for sticking to your guns and not letting the internet trolls get their way. Looking forward to having you're input again in the next season.

Now a question for the rest of you. Do you want Robin Van Persie to stay at the club?

Now a lot of you want to see the back of him due to poor form and the injuries he has had. But then again you seem to forget this man was the reason why we won our 20th league title.

I would personally like to see him stay and rotate with Rooney as the single striker, this would also include the likes of Ings as a backup and maybe Wilson going on loan?

We will be in Europe next season and we need players who can change games out of nothing and RVP in my opinion is a player who can do that for us.

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27 Apr 2015 11:52:58
I agree Weggy.

Keep RvP, get Ings and loan Wilson and then in the season after that sell RvP and hopefully Wilson will be ready to take his place.

We cannot start next season with just Rooney as the only experienced striker.

With LvG and a good summer's rest I think RvP can get back to his earlier form as he anyway does not rely much on pace.

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27 Apr 2015 12:04:55
rvp will only have a year on his contract this summer so we either offer him a new contract ,sell him or let him run it down .
i would sell him

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27 Apr 2015 12:11:12
Weggy - For me this is the precise problem, sticking with players because they were good enough at one point. Whilst we "hope" players rediscover form our competitors will be more ruthless. Look at the effect Yaya is having on City, Gerrard on Liverpool for example. Players of quality that are now past their best.

I would argue we have both Rooney & RVP that have reputations larger than their potential to deliver consistently.

Rooney's season has been messed around by the constant positional change, but can you remember many games he has stood out at all? RVP, Falcao, ADM and I would argue Rooney are going to hamper our future development if we don't move them on.

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27 Apr 2015 12:24:06
I see where you're point is coming from Beast.

However I can't help but imagine that if we let RVP and Falcao both leave, then sign a striker like Ings. That we would then be left short up front, I can see Rooney ending up getting injured for a few months which would leave us with very little fire power.

If the scenario was us signing a striker in the fold of Benteke then I wouldn't be too fussed to see RVP go, as Benteke is arguably better at this current stage.

But if LVG is planning on just signing Ings for the attacking area (which seems more likely), RVP must stay. He is one the only players on our team that can score a goal from nothing and despite his current form I believe he still has a place in our side.

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27 Apr 2015 12:27:27
And regarding to your point that "we hope players rediscover form our competitors will be more ruthless".

On some level I do agree, but look at the likes of Felaini, Young and Smalling. All have picked up a bit of form and started to offer something to the the team again. I think under the right care, RVP could do exactly the same.

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27 Apr 2015 14:03:46
Hope so Weggy fair points.

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27 Apr 2015 13:21:17
with Beast on this one. RVP has been poor for two seasons now, and he isn't getting younger and he has been having injuries. In my opinion, we should let him go and get another striker in.

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27 Apr 2015 13:33:33
Maybe LVG has plans for Hernandez next season. I would be gutted if we sold him. He may not be World Class, but he always scores. Put faith in him and I genuinely believe he will score a lot of goals.
On current form, I'd rather have Welbeck and Chicharito than Falcao or RVP. Welbeck at least worked hard and had a better hold up play. And had pace.
Chicharito is a very fine finisher, and some one like Di Maria would relish Chicharito, who would always remain in the box.
Rafael too is a player who should be kept. If Rafael was fit today, he would play ahead of Valencia.

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27 Apr 2015 13:49:12
The options would be to either put faith in RVP and keep him at the club. This will more than likely mean that Fellaini drops to the bench and we go to the 4-1-4-1 shape with Rooney dropping deeper and RVP up top with Ings or Benteke coming in as back up along with Wilson. Or, we could do the same but with a new striker like Benzema if we could get one. Equally, we could get rid of him and put all our eggs in the Rooney basket with Ings and Wilson deputizing.

Now, the option I prefer (and the more attacking of the two) is the 4-1-4-1 with RVP starting up top, Rooney alongside Herrera as advanced midfielders with a couple of classy wingers, backed up by Gundogan in that defensive midfielder/deep lying playmaker role.

Either way I would definitely pack Falcao back off to Monaco and sell Hernandez or use him as part of a deal. I would certainly sign Ings on a free, would go for Benteke who would be an excellent option to offer us something different and I would maybe even consider loaning James Wilson out to a Championship or newly promoted side so that he does not stagnate.

One way or another, Rooney is going to drop into midfield as an advanced midfielder. For me he is not the best goal scorer around but he brings so much energy and drive to the team that he has to play. Despite being our leading goal scorer I still would play other strikers who are more clinical than he is ahead of him.

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27 Apr 2015 14:25:00
it doesn't matter how clinical a striker u are u still need to be in a team that create chances.
i wouldn't want to be a striker in this team .
the way we play i don't think our strikers first role is to score its more to link play

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27 Apr 2015 15:05:20
jred, that's why I think Van Persie still has a place in this squad.

He has the ability to pass and score from outside the box, something we need right now. Despite not being the fastest either, he is able to use a bit of skill to get through some players.

I don't think he should be our main striker, I just think he should still be considered as a squad player who can rotate with Rooney.

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27 Apr 2015 15:12:47
But Jred, in practise we haven't had a traditional goal scorer. Rooney is part striker, part midfielder. RVP has been terrible and injured and Falcao has been useless. A big feature of our play has been width, no one has had the height to get onto crosses, attack corners etc. We need a powerful forward who is good in the air like Lewandowski, Benzema or dropping down a level, Benteke.

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27 Apr 2015 15:13:08
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rooney won't be rotated imo
rvp won't be happy to sit on the bench imo

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27 Apr 2015 15:18:55
But who's to say that Rooney will be able to stay fit for 40+ games? We will be back in Europe and rotation is the key to success on all fronts.

If were to be in the situation that RVP is fit and on form as well as Rooney, we would be able to accommodate both within the team, if one is a little off form or injured, the other is able to take the main striker role for their selves.

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27 Apr 2015 15:30:19
Too much money to sit on the bench as well.

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27 Apr 2015 15:41:41
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why is width a big feature of our play if no one has hight to get on crosses?

falcao has been poor but I've never seen him have to come as deep.
also even against everton have a look how many times he made a run of the defender in the box only to be ignored and see the ball played out wide

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27 Apr 2015 15:42:20
I agree that RVP won't be happy sat on the bench and that Rooney won't be rotated. If we persevere with the 4-1-4-1 the only way I see it working with them both is if RVP is the main striker and Rooney is part of the 4. Either that or a new striker with Rooney as part of the 4.

Players like Mata and Di Maria are getting balls into the box trying to find the striker. But, when they look up they don't see our striker as he is on the edge of the D or even deeper, Rooney is not the long term answer upfront but has done okay the back end of this season.

We need a striker who isn't going to put the leg work in getting back, and is going to stay on the shoulder of the last defender and give them a torrid time and bag a lot of goals. Lewandowski is the best at this in the world for me, but I think Benteke is a more realistic purchase.

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27 Apr 2015 16:25:43
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or maybe the manager tells the strikers we have to do that ?
its falcao natural game.
chica also plays on the shoulder , we sent him to madrid

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27 Apr 2015 16:27:15
its also hard to give the defence a torrid time when it takes so long fir the ball to get into the last 3rd .

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27 Apr 2015 16:00:59
Van Persie has one more season left in him and with more players leaving/joining we need to keep hold of a few experienced ones just to help us through the European campaign and league.

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27 Apr 2015 16:03:38
The system uses width Jred. Young especially is clearly told to provide width and a lot of our play is going through him, but we have no striker to get on the end of his crosses.

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27 Apr 2015 16:47:32
Falcao has been unfit and in poor form. He has missed nearly every good chance he has had apart from a fortuitous touch against Everton earlier in the season and a header from point blank against Villa.

I think Jred you have to accept that it is not the managers fault that Falcao missed all of his chances. And Hernandez is no where near good enough for us, a one hit wonder and nothing more than that.

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27 Apr 2015 16:49:46
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then why play with width ?

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27 Apr 2015 17:06:33
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i said further up that falcao has been poor

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27 Apr 2015 11:19:25
not been on the site for a while as sick of seeing the same comments over and over again, and what do you know eds gone again from repeated questions over and over again. awesome

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27 Apr 2015 10:48:48
ED002 are you speaking to us lot yet? I have a question.

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{Ed002's Note - I explained - I am done with this page until after the summer transfer window.}

27 Apr 2015 16:23:26
Twitter I'm guessing again.

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27 Apr 2015 09:49:16
Before I went to bed last night I left a reminder in my phone to send a message on here asking everyone to be conscious to use the search function before asking questions and not to repeat the same questions over and over again - I've been guilty of it myself but every year we manage to scare away our best source of information in Ed002 (no offence other Eds) by making him/ repeat himself over and over. Anyway it looks as thought I should have send this message last night as it's too late now. I guess I'll have to keep browsing the other sites in the hopes that somebody asks a question that involves a MU target. Sigh.

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27 Apr 2015 08:20:51
Couple more musings on yesterday's game,

I see the criticism of McNair has started. From being one of our best players last week against Chelsea, some are now saying he'll never make it here. How do we know that?

He's 19 or 20, playing his first season in the first team, in a position that he's still only started learning, with a tactical philosophy he's never trained at before, in a stop-start season. This was only his second start in months, and we expected what, exactly? Kids his age are always going to be a little more inconsistent in their performances.

It may well be that he doesn't make it at Utd, but are we really going to write him off after a few dodgy performances over a season? He doesn't just get to play for the Utd first-team by accident. I'm sure there were many other reserve players all us armchair experts expected to be called upon earlier in the season during our injury crisis, before McNair, but an experienced, international manager saw something in him.

Sydney will call me biased because he's an Ulsterman, but I've genuinely liked what I've seen from him this season. There have been mistakes during his very steep learning curve, but there have also been some really pleasing displays which makes me think he has a future at the club.

The other point was just a little quibble over the 'bad day at the office' comments. There seems to be a general consensus that it 'was just one of those days'. I was guilty of it last season, in an attempt to try and downplay the pressure mounting on Moyes, so I'm not getting at anyone. Just a general observation that we seem to be a bit more ready to write off defeats these days. Since when did a 2-0 loss to a mid-table team just become, 'one of those things'? I remember hating losing any game, and thinking any loss, to any team, was an absolute travesty. Now, there seems to be a collective shrug of the shoulders.

Just remembered one last thing - the away support yesterday was absolutely immense as always, but I was disgusted with the usual few brainless morons who chanted during the minute's silence.

Apologies for the random ramblings, but I'm lying wide awake after my last nightshift, and my mind's all over the place at the minute.

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27 Apr 2015 09:22:36
Stevie,

I don't think people are saying it is a 'bad day at the office' to downplay any pressure or anything like that, the aim as far as I am still aware is top 4, it would be nice if we could get 2nd or 3rd but not a necessity, it was always going to be an up and down season and fortunately over the last couple of months there has been a lot more ups and downs. The results against City, Liverpool and Everton meant we had a 'little bit in hand' and while it would be great to just win all of our games and finish 2nd it was never going to be that easy (I still think if we win the rest of our games we will finish 2nd as City will not win all 4).

It is horrible when we lose, I hated yesterday, but it is not a travesty, like it was never a travesty to lose a game under Sir Alex, we lost 5-0 to Newcastle and Chelsea, 4-1 to Spurs (in a title winning season) if I remember correctly, it is horrible at the time, but it is how you bounce back from a defeat like that that is important. Last week we were unlucky in defeat and played well, yesterday we were unlucky but played badly, it was not a good performance, but we have allowed ourselves a chance to have a bad game with the previous results. The players will hopefully show up next Saturday for a big performance as we play before City and Arsenal and a win will take us 2nd and put a bit of pressure on.

I agree about McNair, he definitely has something, he can bring the ball out of the back with confidence which I believe is the reason LVG chose him over some of the other players in the reserves. His positional awareness is OK at time but other times he lacks in this area and this could be his downfall, but as a young player he can learn. I wouldn't mind him being a backup to Smalling, Jones, Rojo and a new signing next season and getting games in cup matches and covering for injuries.

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27 Apr 2015 09:58:09
Stevie if I or Beast wrote your comment we would be getting slated. Glad to see I am not the only one misunderstading the 'bad day at the office' attitude.

Also I agree about the supporters during the minutes silence, shameful.

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27 Apr 2015 10:14:51
Obviously meant Spurs not Everton, bad start to the day!

JMB,

I think the difference is that Stevie's post is pretty balanced and he does not come across like he is just moaning and has been waiting for a bad result to make a point like some of yours and Beast's posts. If your posts were like that then there would be nothing to 'get slated' about.

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27 Apr 2015 10:21:53
my main gripe about the last 2 games is the amount of times we went wide and just tried to cross , with next to no players in the box.
chelsea and everton set up to make us play a certain way and we continued to play into there hands .

4th place looks nailed on to me tho

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27 Apr 2015 12:12:55
jred,

I agree with everything in that post, there has been a lot to learn from the last 2 games and hopefully we will.

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27 Apr 2015 14:34:48
GDS, it's not about finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th to me, really. I would have taken anywhere in the top 4 at the start of the season, so at the minute things are as they should be (though I fancy it might still get a little bit squeaky bum near the finishing line).

It's just that normally Utd fans would be spitting feathers after a defeat, especially against one of our rivals. Yet last week we patted ourselves on the back for giving Chelsea a go, and this week we let out a resigned sigh over a loss to Everton. Now, I know why that's the case, considering where we've come from recently, and like I said, I've been as guilty as anyone. It just doesn't seem right and I'm annoyed at myself a little for becoming so accepting of losing.

Jred, I agree on the crossing - it was starting to look like Moyes against Fulham recently. I wouldn't mind - I love playing with wingers - except we don't have two wingers who can cross a ball, and we never have enough players in the box anyway, because our build-up play is so slow.

One more thing - Di Maria. Been so disappointed with his efforts lately. He just doesn't look interested. I'll always stick with my 'give a foreign player one full season to acclimatise' rule, and between his off-field trauma and his being shuffled around the team position-wise, I can understand his poor form to a degree (and before people start throwing assist statistics at me, I would suggest using your eyes rather than relying on bare stas). It's the 'can't really be bothered' attitude that he seems to be portraying that really concerns me. If he's not happy, and we can't make him happy, then we need to cut him loose. And I say that as someone who consistently banged the drum for his coming here, and who thought, on his day, he's capable of being one of the best in the world. I still do, and I hope he sorts himself out.

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27 Apr 2015 15:02:25
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i think and hope we will see a better di maria next season.
the tactics seem a bit odd of late imo we seem to play nothing through the middle and just look to work the ball out wide.
i think we will get 4 this season but to be honest i'm not sure if finishing above liverpool is that great an achievement this season.
but many seem to be happy with that, i honestly think we are better than that and should be aiming higher.

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27 Apr 2015 15:23:35
Yeah, I was hoping for top 4 at the start of the season, on the understanding that Spurs, and Liverpool especially, would kick on this season. As it is, a threat from those two has failed to materialise, and I'm left feeling like we're underachieving a little.

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27 Apr 2015 18:13:29
I think McNair has been fairly solid considering his age, the experience he is up against and certainly think any negativity at this stage from fans might be unwarranted and possibly detrimental to his development. Others have already stated the omission from the last two games was carrick and to me his injury highlights the obvious weak spot to be addressed.Blind played well in the centre but i still prefer him at left back in this moment. Shaw played well last two games but needs work on positioning and doesn't have the same effect attacking wise as blind in that position (blind will advance further forward when playing it out whilst shaw hangs back a bit plus blind supports young better albeit shaw showed improvement in this area in last game compared to Chelsea). Shaw is very young though and I am confident he will improve (but needs games). i'm not really sure what to make of di maria as I find myself often wondering why he makes the decisions he does, that said he has the shirt so he gets my support and hope he acclimatizes. I still think we have progressed this season and am hoping this result is the grounding required to kick on for the rest of the season. With regard to our lineup next year I haven't a clue but my instinct is rvp will still be here.

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27 Apr 2015 18:38:14
i see blind as a squad player

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27 Apr 2015 21:18:22
Jred long term I agree and see shaw there but at present think blind offers more. Obviously that's the quandary lvg has to decide as shaw will need games to develop his positioning and decision making. Ultimately then blind will become more of a utility squad player in my opinion (and a good one at that)

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28 Apr 2015 06:19:30
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No chance Blind is first option. With our overlapping style of play where the full backs are getting forward, shaw's pace offers us defensive protection if we lose possession where Blind will be left for dead when teams run at you and end up pulling our centre backs out to the wide areas and open up the middle.

A healthy shaw is always for me first choice.

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28 Apr 2015 07:42:54
Fair play gcu, respect your opinion mate but I just think differently. Whoever is picked I support them as I know from your posts you do too.

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27 Apr 2015 04:52:06
Well done to Everton and Roberto Martinez. They obviously watched what Mourinho had done the week prior and set up the exact same way. I expect more of the same from WBA and Palace, so the quicker we discover a plan B the better.

I agree with most that Blind in CM hugely disrupts the pace of our passing game and is best served as a LB but having said that Luke Shaw had a decent game. I take my hat off to Martinez yet again for effectively using McCarthy to tag Herrera and basically nullify him from the game.

Again we looked too slow, lacked creativity and the guys in the dugout had no tactical response to our opponents game play. It's all well and good to say 'well Felliani should have tucked that chance away and the game would have opened up' but he didn't so the manager must have a plan B at hand to open the game up.

Fair play to LVG he got results when it mattered against Spurs, Liverpool etc but today shows why I cannot give him the ultimate thumbs up because this type of performance has happened too often this season and has hampered our season greatly. Yes it's been a 'bad day at the office' but if you include our early season form these 'bad days at the office' have been more frequent than we care to admit.

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27 Apr 2015 16:42:26
If u keep living in the past u won't see the future coming!

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27 Apr 2015 19:42:07
And yet u wanna sign McCarthy jred? So I'm presuming McCarthy is a starter then?

Give me Whelan anyday ;)

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