Manchester United Banter Archive August 27 2012

27 Aug 2012 23:52:19
Eds, syd u both seem to think that nani will be sold in a few days and that witsel or dembele will be signed.
Just wondering what your sources are and why you so sure?
Jay-c {Ed004's Note - I don't think Ed 2 is around atm but I shall be nagging him to find out more the next few days...}

27 Aug 2012 23:45:51
Ok this must be the 5th try on this post and hope it gets on. Is united interested in muniain and is he available and what sort of bid would be acceptable to bilbao.have posted this to the eds a few times but for some reason it does not get on. Anyone? Thanks- Shahram {Ed004's Note - I know he was made available last summer and was touted around clubs. However I do not know if united are interested in him or not}

Are we interested and what sort of bid would get him? Thanks {Ed004's Note - I say around 25 million euros and am not sure if we are interested}

27 Aug 2012 20:18:41
Hey Eds, do you think IF we sign another player in this window it will be a well known proven player or do you think we're more than likely to buy another young player for the future? and have you guys got any news on this new chilean lad? like where is he and has he officially signed?

redken {Ed004's Note - He has been signed officially. Also I think it will be someone known}

27 Aug 2012 22:15:17
Ok folks saw pretty much every game from yesterday and here is few observation.

United- quite happy with the performance(I know second half was not great) and believe with a full healthy squad we will be a force. Now before everyone jumps on me, I am in the camp that nani needs to go and if we can get 50mil for Rooney, we take the money subject to buying muniain,falcao,martinez/dembele. Not a big fan of witsel. Gutted to hear about rooney's injury and pray he is ok and gets healthy soon as he is still better than the majority of the squad and our second best striker. Impressed with cleverly and the vanpersie goal was fantastic and all down to him.

Man City is not the same team without aguero and looked nothing a team we should fear and it will be nip and tuck at the top all season.

Liverpool are better than everyone thinks and with sahin coming in might surprise a few people here who love to believe they are rubbish.

Arsenal will struggle and if we thought Rooney carried us, I think Rvp carried that team and north of London on his back and I for one believe he left for the genuine desire to win trophies.

Chelsea looked ok and the score line was a little flattering. Hazard has incredible pace and scary in one on one situations but no world beater and for long periods of the game is not involved. Matta looked great and hazards assist was down to a wonderfully strike from Torres so let's not get carried away and crown hazzard yet.

Everyone has very good team and I was one who was furious with our performance at Goodson but they look like they will beat many of the top teams and European football in the near future.

Newcastle pretty decent taking into account they played on 2days rest and will be fighting for a top 4 place.

WBA/Swansea tough games for all the top teams and expect them to take points off everyone. Michu is a steal at 2 million.

It will be a competitive league and winning on the road will be tough as the general standard of play is quite decent.

Granted only 2 games into the season and just some observations. Shahram

Oops meant everton

Why have u took out the time to tell us about other teams qualities and weaknesses, it's a Manchester United rumours site not an opposing team evaluation site, thanks

Dave Mayo

Sorry did not mean to offend, I would welcome people's assessment of the opposition and the league. {Ed004's Note - Don't apologise you've done nothing wrong. Made for an interesting read.}

27 Aug 2012 21:47:07
Right this is my take on the Rooney debate.
I agree what he done to us a year and half ago was wrong but lets get this right, he was coming off a season where he had just scored the most goals he has ever scored in a season 34 or so i believe, and still had lost the league, looked around and saw giggs 36, scholes 33, ferdinand 30, van der sar 35, and berbs 29, he then asked the club where they thought it was going, yes he submitted a transfer request, but I think this was due to bad advise from his agent(the great paul 'gimmie your money' stretford), to get him a big pay day along with his client, but the simple fact is Rooney asked the question, got the answers and signed a new contract with the club.
Now look at RVP at arsenal just scored the most golas he has ever scored in a prem season, and got no where the title, now he has year left on his contract, asked the question about where the club was going, got the answer and signed for united.
I for one will never look at Rooney in the same light as i used too because of the way he went about the fiasco, but i tell u what i wouldnt like the pressure of trying to find another 30+ goals a season striker that will do it in the PL to replace him, so he is unfit, and his form suffered a bit from it. last time i checked us united fans get behind our players not discard them so quickly on 'paper stories'.
KLOOT u ask when he last dominated a game? Arsenal 8-2? Chelsea 3-3? Liverpool 2-1? to name a few last season, now he has support in Kagawa, and RVP he will only shine as he did when we had Tevez and Ronaldo or we let him go for 50m and when we come up short u come on here slating fergie for selling our top goal scorer last season with out proper cover.
(sorry about the length again lol)

Chris the REDman

Great post
redpop

This is one of,if not the best post a united fan as ever posted here.thanks for giving mr kloot some football lessons redman.you can never even as a united fan think of selling rooney our best player for any amount when he is just only in is peak at 26.now he has what he has always wanted for the team,good players like persie and kagawa.rooney never had a player who supplies him passes apart from valencia and he proofed to us he is a goal scoring manchine when he was played up front.now for him less work and players to support him.rooney has somtimes being played out of position either left wing or attacking midfield,only messi and ronaldo does play well when played out of their positions.yet rooney gives us 100percent not just goals and assist but overall commitment.so mr kloot leave this site for us true blooded united fans

Thanks very much mate
Chris the REDman

No-name

If you can only be a true-blooded Utd man, by backing a guy who tried to make a mug out of this club by blackmailing us when things weren't going great, instead of staying and fighting to drag us up again then fine, count me out.

If you can only be a 'true-blooded Utd fan by backing a player who gets paid £250k a week, yet still can't be professional enough to lay off the cigs and beer in pre-season, thus enabling him to get off to his usual sluggish start, then count me out too.

I take it you mean the Old English translation of 'true-blooded', roughly translated as 'gormless sheep'.

StevieK

Wow u really took that to heart didn't u stevie, To start rooney is not on 250k a week basic and i very much doubt it is 250k all in all, i would say closer to 220k extras included, 0r 160-170k a week basic
But he is on a huge amount and even more if he performs which he is expected to do, and does, i am only pointing out peoples view seems to be that rooney has been totally out of form for a long while, but i don't believe he has been, i thought he was one of if not our most consistent performers last season and pointed out that, not only that i also believe rooney questions were some that needed answering and when the fiasco started, and then after getting the answers he signed up again with a fat pay check to boot (but your going to get that with his agent, spotted a window to make large sum of money and took it, which i might add he is paid to do), and that RVP asked the same questions to his former club and after getting the answers joined united, with a hefty wage hike because thats what agents do.
Its called a banter site yet all your posts seem to have a real arrogance about them. maybe i have read them the wrong way and if so i apologise.
Feel free to comment
Chris the REDman

27 Aug 2012 17:31:53
Ed002 As you seem to be the most insightful, Do you you think Nani is almost out the door and do you think we would have enough time to buy a replacement in time for deadline day if this happens soon?

Thanks
GG93 {Ed002's Note - No problem.}

Ed002 seems to be being a bit coy over the Nani situation recently, perhaps he doesn't want to upset the Nani fans, but I am almost certain Nani is out of the door in the next few days and I do not think he will be replaced. I think Witsel or Dembele are going to be signed.

Sydney! {Ed007's Note - I would be surprised if Nani was still at Utd this weekend Syd. Remember he had one foot out the door last summer, add to that he is another year into his contract.....}

I agree Ed, but attracting a buyer in time may be a sticking point.

Miguel Delaney is now saying SAF wants Nani gone and the manager has one more signing in mind.

Sydney! {Ed007's Note - I'm sure AF will know exactly who are willing to buy Nani.}

I hope he doesn't go, he's easily our 2nd/3rd best attacking player.

Percy

Luis 'Percy' Nani haha. Just joking.

I think Nani has had chance after chance and it's gotten to the stage where Fergie now realises that Nani is a problem.

GAGUS

27 Aug 2012 21:16:42
These will happen before the close of the window...Anderson to Spurs £15 mil yeah i know what a bargain for us...Nani to PGS £17 Mil and Berbatov to QPR on loan...

We can all cross are fingers and hope but just carnt see it happening mate

Learch

Im not sure Paris Germain Saint need him ;)

1redarmy

17mil for nani alot of people are sayin at least 25mil I'd jump at 20mil wit the form he has shown but 17mil is too low ........ 20 an he is anybody's .......

CAIN

27 Aug 2012 19:12:28
Mr kloot.how many goals did rooney score last season?.30 plus goals.not even man city strikers scored that.so I suggest you shut up.his goal tally for united is terrific.for England correct me if am wrong he has scored 29 goals for england .rooney has been our best player after ronaldo left and he is very young at 27.mr kloot **** you................................................................ Dear Mr Un named poster I did not ask how many goals he scored I asked when he dominated a game. If you are going to have a go at me which I certainly do not mind as this is a banter site and if you give it you should be able to take it but please be brave enough to leave a name so that I know which village you are the person for. As for **** me why would you need to do that when your mum has done such a good job of it. I AM KLOOT

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

-JakeW

Oh Kloot! you owned him with that comeback.

As for the Rooney thing, completely agree with you. take away the amount of pens he scores and he doesn't look so amazing.

The Moon.

He doesnt have a FANTASTIC goal record for the club? He has a good respectable one but only two seasons of a wonderful tally. I was at Rooneys debut and thought we had made what was truly to be an amazing signing. I dont want to knock Rooney as he does work his socks off for the team that cant be doubted and he has been a very very good player for us. However, Rooney talent wise should be up there with the likes of Messi and Ronaldo and lets be honest he ISNT. They play consistantly at a top level for 8/9 games out of 10, Rooney does it in Spurts and probably 5/6 games out of 10. Im not for any of this "sell him" stuff but bar two seasons he hasnt played consistantly to the level he is fully capable of and lets face it for England he hasnt played well at all really since his Euro breakthrough.
It does seem to me either lifestyle/confidence/attitude/arrogance or something is holding him back from reaching the levels consistantly he should be at though that is for sure
Invisible STuey

Great comment Kloot....gotta love " your mum " response!

Moog

My name is piece Mr kloot I guess you have problem wit your mother that you can't stop talking about people's mother.rooney scored an hatrick against arsenal,scored against mancity and chelsea.he has scored against big teams like barca and acmilan and bayern wen we needed him.the teams just aint good enough.him alone cannot do everything.the likes of barca have close to five great attacking players in their team,so is real madrid and even man city.apart from rooney,who else do we have all this while since ronaldo and tevez left?.no disrespect giggs and scholes are legend but they are old.

KLOOT - I couldn't agree more about Rooney . He may score but he has to be assisted most of the time. I think the only game he purely dominated was his debut. He has lost that yard of pace and explosiveness that he once had and he is far too focused on getting the ball and coming deep especially when we have Kagawa now he should be further up the pitch. I would like to see Rooney sold for £50million and Oezil and Javi Garcia bought in.

Aaaaaahhh.

Mum jokes. Classic!

Jono

My name is piece Mr kloot I guess you have problem wit your mother that you can't stop talking about people's mother.rooney scored an hatrick against arsenal,scored against mancity and chelsea.he has scored against big teams like barca and acmilan and bayern wen we needed him.the teams just aint good enough.him alone cannot do everything.the likes of barca have close to five great attacking players in their team,so is real madrid and even man city.apart from rooney,who else do we have all this while since ronaldo and tevez left?.no disrespect giggs and scholes are legend but they are old.

My name is piece Mr kloot I guess you have problem wit your mother that you can't stop talking about people's mother.rooney scored an hatrick against arsenal,scored against mancity and chelsea.he has scored against big teams like barca and acmilan and bayern wen we needed him.the teams just aint good enough.him alone cannot do everything.the likes of barca have close to five great attacking players in their team,so is real madrid and even man city.apart from rooney,who else do we have all this while since ronaldo and tevez left?.no disrespect giggs and scholes are legend but they are old. {Ed004's Note - Well now we have RVP and Kagawa who ooze class. Valencia is a top player and Nani on his day is world class}

KLOOT - I couldn't agree more about Rooney . He may score but he has to be assisted most of the time.

That has to be the best line ever! Every goal in open play has to assisted by some1!
Chris the REDman

27 Aug 2012 19:58:03
About the Rooney swap thing...

I would take Oezil and Higuian for Rooney from Real.

Fabregas and Tello from Barca.

Torres and Cole from chelsea.

Aguero straight swap with city (maybe Aguero and Richards).

Liverpools entire team, including Brendan Rodgers and make him our number 2. Sell Suarez back to Liverpool for £50mil.

1redarmy

This whole thing makes me laugh.

Ozil is a better player than Rooney, Fabregas is probably on par, Cole is far more valuable that Rooney seeing as their is a lack of quality left backs in the world, Torres on form is just as good, Aguero is a better FORWARD than Rooney as well.

I could go on all day, I like Rooney, a lot. but if somebody offered us £45M for him I would take it.

The Moon.

The moon
i 100% agree im a utd fan threw and threw, but loads of ppl hype up our players to such a degree. rooney at best is a great goal scorer but he isnt at the level of iniesta,xavi,messi,ronaldo,ozil. if sum 1 bid 50mil i wud take it immediately. but no1 wud bid that amount. in terms of strikers i think hes 3best in the country behind rvp and aguero.
rooney is great goal scorer and has a good footballing brain but is so overhyped.

'Threw and Threw'

WOW.

GAGUS

Chillax man quick typing not an english essay sorry ur highness

27 Aug 2012 19:01:42
ED's,Syd what do you think of the chances of the following players this season:

1. Powell
2. Petrucci
3. Lingard
4. Cole
5. Tunnicliffe

I mean do you guys see these players being given a chance in any tourny ?

MUMBAI_BOY {Ed004's Note - Powell - 8, Petrucci - 7, Lingard - 4, Cole - 2, Tuncliffe - 6}

All will play U21's, all should get League Cup appearances and all will go out on loan at some point. I don't think any will play for the 1st team in the league other than perhaps Powell.

Sydney!

You'd think 4m spent on this lad he'd be head of that pile.

Personally I think Petrucci is more ready to step up.

Tom Tucker

27 Aug 2012 18:38:59
I am even more happy we signed RVP now! I think if we didn't sign him, and Rooney got injured and we had to play Welbeck/Hernandez upfront we could have been out of title contention by Christmas.

MelonRed

I highly rate Welbeck & think Chicharito will shine with Kagawa.

But & it's a big butt!
I think your right.

Roo & RvP are our 20+ guarantee

Tom Tucker

27 Aug 2012 18:30:32
James McCarthy is considering a move to Man United.
Liverpool had a deal in place until Sahin chose them over Arsenal. United had scouts at Hamilton Academical a few years ago and offered him a deal back then. He wanted first team football and chose Wigan. him and his family are massive Liverpool fans which is proving to be the problem. Childish really.
(O'Shea & Solksjær were Liverpool fans).

This is Wigan fanzine talk. It's based on past & present interviews from James himself.

United are willing to offer the deal that was in place from Liverpool. 10m plus Shelvey on loan was the fee.

That's what I've found out.

I don't really know about McCarthy, or what kind of midfielder he is. Is he worth 10-12m?

We've just bought Powell & Fergie played Lingard, Petrucci & Tunnicliffe on tour. He highly rates Cole also.

Maybe Wigan would have 10m plus Macheda & Fletcher on loan.

Oh no... ed007 will be over the moon if it's true.

JK92

We seem to have a good relationship with Wigan. Valencia signing & Cleverley on loan.
Maybe 7m plus Macheda 2m & Brady 1m then Petrucci as the loan option to replace McCarthy in the team.

Tom Tucker

That disturbing noise you hear is Ed007 attempting to stop himself jizzing his pants.

TK-Red

We may have a good relationship with Wigan, but Whelan never keeps his mouth shut when it comes to people leaving his club. If we'd so much as rang him up to enquire about McCarthy, he'd be on TV saying we are messing him about.

JK - He better not, If I wake up to his face standing over me I will not be a happy piece of rock.

The Moon. {Ed007's Note - You would love it Moon, don't be shy about it.}

Ed, why would I want you standing over me?

I like to be on top....

The Moon. {Ed007's Note - I'm flexible Moon, as long as the money is there we can work something out.}

27 Aug 2012 18:23:41
I would love to see a team like this at Old Trafford...
.................... De Gea ....................
Rafael ..... Vidic ..... Ferdinand ..... Evra
.......... Fellaini .......... Tiote ..........
Valencia ....... Rooney ....... Kagawa
.................... Van Persie .................... {Ed004's Note - The supply from midfield wouldn't be good enough imo. Who is there to get the ball to the front 4}

I think cleverly/ carrick and a big strong midfielder in the 2. The attacking 4 if they gel would be awesome

Id replace fellaini with dembele and have cleverley in place of tiote.

JK92

Dembele and Cleverley is a combination that could have legs if we are back in for him. I thought Dembele played well against us on saturday. Though admittedly he was playing against a midfield including Anderson!

Halesini

27 Aug 2012 18:13:34
Benfica must sell this week to balance the books.

Record says the Lisbon giants' finances are in such dire straits that they need to sell their big names to avoid serious problems.

Nicolas Gaitan, a target for Manchester United and Manchester City, is available, along with Javi Garcia and Axel Witsel, who has attracted interest from United and Real Madrid.

27 Aug 2012 18:05:14
Hate to admit it but I don't think we'll be signing anyone before the transfer window closes. If we are to sign anyone then I think we'll have to sell someone first, which doesn't look like happening. Pity, cos I'd really like to see Dembele at Old Trafford in a Utd shirt. Ah well, just have to win everything with what we've got.

An Dun Red Devil

27 Aug 2012 17:06:53
Hopefully the injury Rooney unfortunately suffered will make him step up on his way back to full fitness, the time away may reignite his desire not only for football but for the club too. Here's hoping.

RMD

Re ignite his desire? This person earns £225 k a week and is playing for the biggest club in the world. If he can't be arsed then we need hi get rid of him.

Who's to say he's lost desire? Nothing has actually been stated by him or Fergie. This has all been conjured up by the papers, people are assuming there is actually a problem, there may not be for all we know. He could just be a bit out of shape and in ill form. Which a few weeks in that highly expensive nike camp will sort out.

Stop jumping to conclusions.

Andy S

27 Aug 2012 16:11:19
I believe all those who still rave about Rooney, might have bought into this whole Cult of Personality/celebrity thing that I so despise in modern life.

Those of us with a few more wrinkles still believe that the club is the biggest thing, and that NO player should be allowed to think they are bigger than the club.

I didn't cut Keane or Beckham or RVN any slack when they started to believe their own hype, and I loved those players.

I'm definitely not going to give slack to someone who so crassly and greedily tried to blackmail this great club of ours, along with humiliating the greatest manager in British football.

I'm sorry if this makes me sound like a grumpy aul fart, but sometimes I feel a lot of our 'supporters', actually support individual players more than they support Utd.

StevieK

Completely agree. Rooney's outburst last year was unforgivable, badly advised or not. If his heads elsewhere then we should cash in, it feels like the Kevin Pietersen's syndrome. Great player (sometimes), but wrapped up in their own importance.

AJH

I don't agree at all being older dus not make u any more of a fan or mean u know better what it should mean is that u should know 2 games in to a new season we should be positive and backing a player who has carried us for some time and was hurt on Saturday not getting on his back! I for one rate Wayne highly and thank him for all his done for the club!


Ddd

StevieK..

My two cents here! Somewhere down the line to support your team, u have got to support your players and back them when they are going through a rough patch.

I will not comment on what Rooney did last year. If you look at it that way, what would you say about RVP? The entire Gooner clan think that he jumped ship for money. Us mancs think otherwise dont we? .. Do we not cheer for RVP?. Or do we label him as a mercenary.

My point here, views may differ on something that happened. But till someone is a United player i will always stand by him. Be it RVP be it Wazza!

Deeps....

Steviek, I have supported this club for a long time. Over that period of time I have had players who I appreciated Ole, RVN, Cantona and many others I could go on forever really. I wouldn't say me having favorites in any way detracts from my support for the club. Just because I see Rooneys heart left on the pitch every game whether he is playing well or not you can't say he doesn't give his all for the team. If you honestly believe he would play for City I think you are mistaken which makes the request last year very odd. I for one wouldn't be surprised if after Fergie steps down he says he put Rooney up to it. Really who has ever challenged Fergie and stuck around? Please Stevie name some players for me because as far as I can remember no one player is bigger than United. If Rooney really wanted a move he would be gone and no I am not putting him over the club. If Sir Alex was as humiliated as you say then Rooney would be long gone and we would have replaced him this summer. Just so I am clear you are saying move on an out of form player that scored 30+ goals last season? Who would you buy to replace him that is going to be as vital to the team? Yea we have RVP but if he picks up a knock what next? This is the same player that has stated he wants to be like Giggs and end his career at United. I know for sure a lot of your ill feelings from Rooney come from assumptions unless you were there you are speaking on pure speculation. If it was as bad as you say he would be gone end rant. Just so we are on the same page I don't want to lose Rooney but at the same time it wouldn't lessen my support of United.

Darren-Bermuda

No man is bigger than the club. Not even Ferguson - although he's pretty damn close!

Halesini

If we had a squad with a few world class players rooney would of been out of the door,saf knew he couldnt get rid as we dont or didnt at the time have anybody else of rooneys quality.
johndenton

Deeps

as long as the player acts in a professional manner, and tries 100% to make the best of the talent they've been given, they will always have my support, ESPECIALLY through the bad patches.

I just think the way Rooney behaves off the field has led to the stalling of his development on the field, and he is directly responsible for that, no-one else. I would have much more respect for someone with less talent, but who tried their best to get every ounce of improvement out of that talent.

I still think he's a very good player, but I think his development has stalled, and possible even declined a little. He had the potential to be top-class, but IMO I don't think he has fulfilled that potential. It happens to players sometimes - players peak at different times, but I personally don't think he has helped himself.

Darren

30 goals with the service he gets as a lone striker, and playing for a club as big as ours, is the least I would expect from a 'top-class' player. How many would Messi or Ronny have scored, as proper top-class players?

I do appreciate his work-rate, but I don't appreciate him looking around, seeing a relatively weak Utd squad, and deciding to act like a rat leaving a sinking ship.

In contrast, a player like Evra, who also puts in a shift, and is red to the core, and stayed to keep the ship from sinking, gets slated on here for his declining ability.

Rooney may have been the better player of the two at their peak, and be much better at self-promotion, but I know which player I feel more comfortable cheering on every week.

Enjoying the banter!


StevieK

And Ddd - I would never say I know more just because I'm older - I'm as thick and clueless as the rest of you! :)

StevieK

StevieK..

Fair enough mate with your assesment. I still think that Wayne still has a lot to give if he can sort out a few things.

But yeah it pains me when people cant wait to get rid of him after 2 games in the season. The respect that i have for him is because of what he does when he puts on the famous jersey! His commitment and drive are unquestionable.

You know what? I dont like the constant foul mouthing that happens with Evra! Criticise him for his poor show, but the amount of abuse that goes on here is beyond me. I completely agree with you, He is a Red through and through.

Deeps...

Deeps

I'll never give the lad a hard time when he's playing mate, and I still think he's a better player than most in the EPL - just can't forgive him for trying to put the club over a barrel when we were at a pretty low point, instead of stepping up to the mark.

From reading various posts, it would appear fans are split on him, but sure, that's what makes the whole game so interesting. Pretty boring if we all had the same opinion on everything.


StevieK

27 Aug 2012 15:13:08
So happy we got kagawa. Think he's going to be a real gem of a player can't wait to see how he does through the season.

27 Aug 2012 14:46:23
Hi All,

For myself, I think when Rooney first came to us he was explosive, powerful & accurate in his shooting. His first touch seems no longer to be great & in my humble opinion he is nowhere near the player he once was. I cannot speculate why, but whatever reason, where Messi & Ronaldo have advanced Rooney has not. His England performances highlight this.

I wish him well in his recovery & thank him for the energy he given us & yes, in recent years he has carried the burden of carrying an average MU team. Anyone who says our midfield of the last 4 years has been good in looking through rose coloured glasses. We all know what we need, a powerful CM, have known it for years, why we do not buy one is beyond me. Am tired of watching us play sideways & backwards. Kagawa looks wonderful & Cleverley too. Based on what I saw at Fulham, Dembele looks perfect.

And a speedy recovery for Rooney, wish him well, but if he were to be sold, thanks for the memories, will never forget your first CL match, was off my seat!

Good luck to all

EBLA

Its his ankles, he hasn't had his inch perfect touch since the injury IMO
MISTER kennedy

27 Aug 2012 14:34:01
2 simple questions for those supporters on this page who criticise me and see very little wrong in our owners.
1. Do you think the club would be better off, on and off the field, if we were the profit-making, self financing business we once were, able to rebuild our ground and buy players of the highest quality, rather than the limping cash cow burdened by the £500 million of debt that we are today? yes or no?

2. If as he claims, Sir Alex Ferguson won't benefit from the employee incentives contained within the IPO or the Equity Incentive Award, then why not? Isn't he the most valuable asset the club has at the moment? isn't it then bizarre that he doesn't get to stick his snout in this particular trough. Or are we not being told everything.

I know that these questions will cause divisions as there are some who feel that the owners and especially Sir Alex should never be questioned and there are those who feel he has put his own bank balance and lining the pockets of his friends and family before the greater good of Manchester United Football Club. That he is a hypocrite whose espousal of all things Socialist was completely at odds with his champagne lifestyle:

The touch paper has been lit I stand back and wait: I AM KLOOT

The debt is not £500million to start with and we have repeatedly been told the owners are willing to spend why does everyone jump on them how do we know it is them and not Fergie that is reluctant to spend ?? Of course all would prefer to be self sufficient but I would also like us to still be tight with money when it comes to agent fees and wages so im happy

Pointless moaning about either point. You will not change anything.

Sydney!

It's hard to put a exact figure on the amount of debt, but I imagine it will be around £350m once the accounts are released next month. Much depends on what we net spend this summer and when the sponsorships kick-in.

Sydney!

27 Aug 2012 14:25:41
If there is any truth in Spurs being interested in Nani and Anderson why don't we just ask for Bale in a swap I know you will say he is predictable etc but he is also very good defensively and would cover Evra when hes out of position and would thrive in our team due to all the wing play imagine him and Valencia bombing down the wings with Kagawa in the hole and RVP up top.

27 Aug 2012 14:17:11
___________DDG
Rafa___Evans___Vidic___Evra
______Carrick___Clever
Valencia___Kagawa___Youngy
_________Van Persie

What will be this weekend's line-up?

Sydney!

Syd you've got it spot on i think.

REDFAITH

I would agree but anything can happen in a few days of the transfer window (well lets hope so)

George

Same but nani on the left and scholes for carrick {Ed004's Note - I agree with Nani on the left but not Scholes for Carrick}

Ed04 do you believe nani will still be a utd player come sat? {Ed004's Note - Yes I do.... However if he isn't I haven't decided on who I would want to replace him}

Do you not see saf using kagawa on the left when rooney is fit? if nani was sold i dont belive saf would buy a replacement, and use kagawa young valencia and wellbeck for the wing areas. If he was to buy a replacement i would opt for muniain, i was really impressed with him in the europa league not just his skill but his work rate a passion. tom17 {Ed004's Note - I would hope he would try for Muniain, Ozil or Rodriguez}

27 Aug 2012 14:09:01
Heard in the last hour that Benfica are having troubles balancing their books and they need to sell some players to even it out, Gaitan anyone? (TheInvisibleMan)

Witsel?

Sydney!

Or Javi Garcia?

Andy!

Or Gaitan, Witsel, Garcia and simply to make me happy get the legend that is Aimar.

The Moon.

27 Aug 2012 13:47:45
syd how do you know we have bid for witsel?

JK92

27 Aug 2012 13:25:35
I know Fergie has said that United's spending is done, but I've got a gut feeling there's still something going on. We know that enquiries have been made regarding a number of centre midfielders, which suggests that the club have the same concerns as the fans about the lightweight nature of the midfield. It all apparently depends on whether a few can be shipped out - I think Berba and Macheda will be out by the end of the week. Remember, the money put aside for Lucas Moura may still be sitting around, although some of it will have gone to Arsenal to fund RVP. I honestly think that if a couple can be shipped out there may be 15-20 million to spend on a midfielder, so my question is this; Who do you want United to sign for the midfield? Be realistic though, I'd love Martinez in a red shirt but he's too expensive. Comments welcome.

Matt

27 Aug 2012 13:06:18
Apparentely, City may make a move for Javi Garcia of Benfica. His buyout clause is £23.8 million, think we should have a go as well. But we could just go for Witsel but his clause is a lot more. What do you think guys?

£24m is a bit steep. Top player, but not worth that amount.

Sydney!

I disagree Syd I think Javi Garcia is better than Witsel by a fair amount... He is top class in my opinion.

I agree no name, but I do not think either are worth what Benfica want for them.

Sydney!

27 Aug 2012 12:53:17
Right I know we have spend quite a lot of money already this market without bringing to much money back in but I think that we really need to make one last signing which in my mind should have been the priority, we still need a new defensive/ holding or box to box midfielder.

Its fair to say that we have never truly replaced Roy keane and I think it is now time to. A few suggestions of mine would be m'villa, javi Garcia, strootman or even fellani whom we all know about. Strootman I see as I brilliant replacement but could not see him leaving for another year at least

27 Aug 2012 11:57:55
Imagine if we didn't have Van Persie right now, with Rooney injured we would have struggled to win games, I hope Kagawa and Van Persie start in half of the games and Hernandez and Welbeck starting in the easier matches.

-JakeW

I Sunderland supporter here thank you for
Letting Darren fletcher come out on loan and I went on the city page and Rooney is apparently signing for city

27 Aug 2012 11:42:41
GAN I have missed your self deluded drug taking 3RD Person nonsense. Still talking rubbish I see. I AM KLOOT"""
dear mr rainfishtrombone
ngiak is glad you miss him
however, you just have to admire this guy by the name of mr i am kloot who says things like the "25 million from the potential sale of nani will go into the glazers pockets"
ngiak admires the ability to make a fool of oneself in public with such audacious statements that are utterly biased in opinion, real entertainment!
gan

27 Aug 2012 11:33:54
The injury to Wayne could do him and the team good in the long run for the rest of the season. Now he is out for a reported two months the likes of Hernandez and Welbeck who where not going to get a fair crack will have time in the team. Wayne will come back with not as much pressure on his shoulders with by then hopefully Kagawa,RVP,Chicharito,Welbeck all scoring goals. Can come back in fresh and fit with others around him on top form.

RedKnight

27 Aug 2012 10:55:04
Shinji Kagawa:

He told the Daily Mail: "The physical side of it is the first thing. I need to adapt to that. The other thing is the quality through the division. In Germany, the top few teams were so much better than the rest, but, here, every opponent is difficult.

"We seem to pass the ball sideways a lot, but I want team-mates to start giving me the ball from all areas and angles. I need to speak to them about this, because I want them to have the trust in me to play the ball forward."

you simply have to love this guy!
can't wait to see the best of him.

Jonny8

Shinji has got 'future legend' wrote all over him aint he. Quality :)

Halesini

Jonny8

I saw the comment and was interested in his comment on the ball going sideways. I believe there are two reasons
Firstly our style has been one where we switch play and use width , secondly our centre midfield is poor , we can't control a game and play through that area. We could waste this guys talent if we continue with the poor central midfield. We also need to move away from the mentality of two line hugging wingers. Nani needs replacing by someone who can do more and compliment Kagawa.

Red Man

27 Aug 2012 10:45:58
Might aswell share my thoughts on this Rooney debate. IMO we would be daft to sell him for 2 reasons. One being we would lose a player who is one of the best in the world, yes he hasn't had a great start to the season but as always most people think if you have 1-2 bad games you should be sold. People seem to forget the times he has carried the side. This summer on this site has seen hundreds of posts about improving our squad and 1st 11, I cannot see how selling Rooney can achieve that.

Another reason is even if we got 50-60 million for Rooney who says we would reinvest that? The prime example of this is the Ronaldo money, we got 80 million and brought in Valencia, Owen and Obertan in the summer we lost Ronaldo and Tevez. Then this summer and last summer we haven't recieved a big fee for anyone but we have spent close to 100 million on Young, Jones, De Gea, RVP, Kagawa, Buttner and Powell. The fact is the manager picks his targets and if we can't get them we don't spend even if a replacement is needed. So we may have RVP but I'd say Rooney would be an enormous loss and someone who it would take 2 30 million pound players to replace.The only way I would be OK with it would be if if we used the money to sign that top class CM we all crave like a Martinez or Schweinsteiger and a top striker like Benzema, Cavani, Falcao etc then I reckon I could deal with it but over the last few summer's I have come to see our club doesn't spend like that.

Rjmanutd

27 Aug 2012 10:26:15
Dembele is the player we have been crying out for, saf would be crazy to ignore this player, top class sat against us, in a position we are short,lindegaard,rafael,ferdinand,vidic,evera,dembele,cleverly,valencia,young,kagawa,van persie, dream team, p.s why do we never buy left footed left wing players,

You leave out Rooney, Nani and De Gea? What is wrong with you.

-JakeW

Was interested to read in the press that De Gea 'flapped a few times' but watching it live without the aid of TV replays I thought he pulled off a couple of decent saves for us!

De Gea is a better keeper than Lindegaard IMO but gives good competition.

Rooney SHOULD be left out when out of form and fitness as clearly he was against Everton but RVP has been bought to play with him not instead of him.

My thoughts on the woeful Nani are well versed on this site. I'll carry him anywhere to get rid.

Halesini

27 Aug 2012 09:56:51
I love the fact that some of you are saying if we get 25 million for Nani will we spend it on such a player. Here's a thought for you. will it just dissapear into the pockets of those greedy American leeches like the hundreds of millions have? Just a thought. I AM KLOOT

What about the money that has been spent this summer? you ignore that. get real

And the money spent last season wa about tht on average we spend 40-50 million a season which is plenty i think if u want the 100 million to spend seasons kloot you no there is another side of manchester who would suit u alot better

dio

Where do you get an average spend of 40-50 Million from. Do you forget the money from Ronaldo that was never spent. I AM KLOOT

27 Aug 2012 09:54:49
our experienced manager(fergie) is telling us that he cant sign any other player..when he has anderson(who is fat),cleverley(hasnt got the physique)...scholes(lacks the pace)...carrick(currently being played out of postion)...giggs(cant say much about him)...the fans know exactly what we lack, but our experienced manager cant.witsel/martinez/fellaini will not come cheap but i know for sure dembele will,we have got 4 days more to the tranfer deadline,fergie for once hear the cry of the fans u recently said u do this job for ,put a smile on our faces....GET DEMBELE

27 Aug 2012 08:51:04
Syd, I doubt that Fergie would come out publicly and say anything negative towards the owners. Which is why I saw the Rooney situation as sort of an outlet to make things public and force their hand. I have always gotten the feeling that Rooney would happily see out his career at United even going as far as coaching. In reference to your point about the press conference wouldn't Fergie have to act surprised and seem angry? I thought it was a bit sudden and cleared up in no time and now all of a sudden we have two top drawer players this season. I think Wayne loves United even how he got injured was throwing his body in the way to help United win. Really I can see him here past his playing career and I expect him to come back from this injury fitter and hungrier than we have seen him in a while. Just a question Syd how many times has Rooney been played injured in the past 2 years? For those slating Rooney saying he is out of form or what not an out of form player scoring 30+ goals and you want to move him on wouldn't you want that monster in form for your team? Seriously guys some of your logic is horrible.

Darren-Bermuda

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DB Mate! Am so glad, that there is someone atleast someone who is not jumping on the "Rooney bashing" bandwagon. I am sure Kagawa will be one of the best, am sure RVP is going to rack up the goals.... but its so easy to forget what Wazza has done over the years. Yes he has had bad games, everyone does and if he still ended up getting 2 goals, i wont complain. The point is he is passionate and will play for the shirt and throws himself around for the teams cause. I mean SAF has played him in the midfield numerous times, never did he cry or sulk. Always for the teams cause. So people slagging Rooney here are being very very inconsiderate.

The guy has my respect and he has built that.

Deeps....

P.S- People talking about his IMPROVED contact theatrics, seriously how many of you would not want a payrise in your prime?

Deeps, who has been bashing Rooney?

Sydney!

Rooney dug his heals in and got a very good deal I remember keane doing the same and breaking the wage structure at united.
when keane done it he had fergys backing as it allowed him to be more competitive in the transfer market.

rooney has had a dip in form but only by his own high standards. Over the last couple of years while not being at his best his still been our main man and on his day is the best player we have IMO.

with Kagawa and RVP coming to the club rooney has more competition and better players around him, I expect him to respond and have a very good season.
i dont think united will cash in on there best player and I dont think rooney will want to leave.
He may get a bigger wage at some where like PSG but he will also make a lot of money from sponsorship due to the fact his the face of united.
united is good for rooneys profile.

if barce or madrid made a move that could be a different story but you could say that about any player in the world.
jred

"if barce or madrid made a move that could be a different story but you could say that about any player in the world.
jred"

The problem is you are seeing this from Rooney's point of view, the club will not care who bids for him. If it's a massive bid they would have to accept it or give a 27 year old Rooney another pay hike. Cannot see it myself.

Do you think he will get another deal next summer then Jred?

Sydney!

I think he will stop syd,
his a top player and is important to united on and off the field.

his on a good wage at the moment and will make a lot of cash through sponsorship due to his united link.
I cant see him going abroad and i cant see him playing for chelsea and city , but thats just my opinion.
if someone makes a massive bid for him then who knows , but you could say that about anyone.
if kagawa has an amazing season someone might make an offer that is to good to turn down thats football.

I think it will come down to 1 thing "is he happy at the club"
jred

Jred, again you are seeing it from his side. I couldn't care less whether Rooney wants to leave or not, I am talking about what the club will do.

Do you think the club will give him a new and improved contract next summer?

Sydney!

Syd..

I think Rooney "bashing" may have been a tad too much to conclude.

But there have been numerous posts saying "It is a blessing in disguise" , "Who needs Rooney when we have RVP and Kagawa". "When was the last time he played well", "He has always been overrated and never world class".

I have seen you mentioning that you are a massive fan and my post was not meant for you. But for people who are actually ready to mutter and chant a new name just because it is "IN" and forget the services of "Our best player" for more than a season, thats not right IMO.

Jred, I 100% agree with you. I think Rooney is a top quality player and I would be over the moon if he signed an extension tomorrow.

I also believe Rooney would sign a new deal with United, but what I am not convinced about is whether the club will offer him a new deal. Do you think the club will offer him an acceptable contract next summer or do you think we will sell?

Sydney!

Syd
I don't think the club would want him to go in to the last year of his contract, so I would off thought they would but that's not to say it would be a vast improvment

Rooney is only 26 so should be coming in to his peak years if he has a great season and plays to his potential I would be upset if the club never offered him a deal and cashed in on our best player.
Jred

Jred, some believe Rooney has already had his prime. Just like some believe Cesc has also had his prime and Anelka had his prime early. When players burst onto the scene at 16/17 it's hard for them to keep playing at their best for a prolonged period. Owen was another one who had his prime early. If Rooney has a season similar to the last two where he scores goals, but isn't too impressive on the ball with his all-round game, I think the club will have to cash in on the then 27 year old.

Sydney!

Syd
How many muscle injuries did owen and cesc have the body can only take so many
Rooneys have Been more impact injuries so I would think he would be ok , but everyones different look at giggs
If rooney has a season where he only scores 3O odd then maybe they will cash in but how much would it cost to replace a 3O goal striker

Over the last couple of years rooney has carried us I honestly expect him to have a great season with players like clevs kagawa rvp around him with there movement you might see how impressive rooney can be with the ball
Jred

I agree Jred, just hope Rooney can find his form again. He was unplayable a couple of year's ago when he was being compared to Messi. Hope the new signings will get the best out of him.

Sydney!

27 Aug 2012 08:47:32
Pardoe

Obviously you didn't watch the game if you that that Anderson played well. He was rubbishe and looked embarrassingly unfit and over weight. I can't believe that this useless nappy arse gets anywhere near the first team.
By some proper glasses Pardoe!

Simmo"""
dear mr simmo
ngiak is seriously lost at what games and league you guys are talking about
compared to carrick's, evra's, de gea's, vidic's, scholes', young's bungling the last two games... anderson was our best performer next to cleverley
even rooney has been crap...
ngiak is also not sure about the glasses part..
gan

GAN I have missed your self deluded drug taking 3RD Person nonsense. Still talking rubbish I see. I AM KLOOT

Well Simmo fair enough mate we are all entitled to our opinions shame yours are sh1t!

Pardoe

27 Aug 2012 03:33:51
I would like to fire the ball at some critics on this site tonight, Wanting to axe players cause we have signed RVP & Kagawa.

We can all see Rooney ain't playing with passion and is lacking the potential standard it is that merits his salary, But now we have RVP most people on here seem to be ready to see him off. I for one would not like that to happen as RVP injury record merits the point should he get injured who would fill his boots.
Maybe Rooney has some Personal/Domestic problems that are affecting his game, but time will tell us all.

I really like Kagawa and the talent oozes from him, but just because he is on fire, should not mean we turn our backs on Nani and throw the bucket of water on him.
I agree that he is playing well below par, but again it could be related to problems of the pitch, we will just have to wait.

In total honesty we prayed for a LB to challenge Evra who is the only player I believe should see the door, but when we signed AB we all said this is it someone to make Evra step it up because there is competition.

Since the arrival of RVP and Kagawa, I have not seen any comments about how other players will step up to stay in the first team, I no positions is a factor but.....

Surely Rooney would not want RVP to outshine him in his first season thus wanting or making him give more.
And the same for Nani, I no he has been switched wings time and time again but surely he has to challenge Kagawa.

So correct me if I'm wrong but was Evra the only player we said would have to step up to keep his place.

Reddevilfan

27 Aug 2012 01:07:07
Lads wtf is up with the Rooney slating this is our main man and some are saying its blessing he out Nw others will play more .. do barca think tat way ah glad messi injured mabye villa will get more of a run .. come off it lads can't believe yas we have Rooney and rvp and kagawa tats awesome we should want to see tat week in week out tear teams apart .. ok Rooney hasn been great lately but we all know he just needs run off games .. I'm big fan off Rooney and so is most off top managers he would get game angered in world .. can't believe some off you supporters yas are so quick jump on peoples back
Red fire

I agree Red fire, Rooney's goals over the years count for nothing with some fans, he's pretty much carried the team for the last few years and now he hits some bad form and everyone wants to shoot him down.... Yes he was a complete a.hole last year regarding his contract/salary but he only wanted what he was worth.
Never mind it'll be RVP next week for missing a sitter then Kagawa the week after for falling over :-)
HERBIE

I have just wrote a post about this very thing, I'm glad I'm not the only one that does not want to kick Rooney out because RVP has arrived, not to mention who will fill in when RVP gets injured, because Danny and Chicarito are nothing on Rooney.

Reddevilfan

Whilst I don't want Rooney to be sold and can see what he has done for the team, he lost my, and a lot of other fans, trust with that transfer saga. After making such a mockery of the club, if he doesn't play well I don't blame fans for turning on him.

#ags

27 Aug 2012 01:00:05
Any updates on Victor Wanyama?

Ozwald

Doubt Fergie will sign him, Fergie doesnt like losing players to the African cup of nations each year.

27 Aug 2012 00:03:40
Wayne Rooney's injury may rule him out for up to 2 months after having surgery, it may have damaged a muscle.

To be honest I think this is a blessing in disguise as now it will allow Kagawa, RVP, Welbeck and Hernandez to all get valuable playing time and bring chemistry between the 4. Rooney hasn't been himself since he got his own ways in the new contract. Now he will be watching his side hopefully do amazing this half of the season and this will hopefully make him think. "Woah, I'll have to step my game up if I even want to consider being in the attacking line-up" Or it won't effect him and as Sydney said I think he will be gone next season if he doesn't start performing amazingly.

Thats all from me tonight.

-JakeW

Very bad surgeons if they did that but he will at least 2 months anyway as he can't train or do anything while he recovering as it may open up the stitches and plus add the whole match fitness bit damit who replace for goals now oh wait we have RVP now and kagawa but still a loss but past seasons everyone would have went crazy saying who will scorce the goals



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